Flower Pot rework | Balatro | Page 1

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 8:58 PM

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So, this is an IDEA that I have, and it’s something that I have been considering for a bit, since of all the card type modifications, there’s no Joker that actually includes stuff like Wild cards. You have your Lucky Cat, your Glass Joker, your Stone Joker, even some retrievers, but with how crazy a card that can be any suit, it leads into some small amount of sadness that people try to transition out of them, at least until they find the Tarot cards that just try to make their entire deck a single suit for stronger builds.

And this comes back into the idea of Flower Pot, where it takes SO much work… but you don’t casually see a payout all that much. Which, as an uncommon joker, it’s fine, but I think it could be made BETTER.

So what I would like to pose is this:

'`X1 mult for each suit in a hand.``

For instance, if you play a pair of 2’s, a 2 of hearts and a 2 of spades, then you get X2 applied to your multiplier. If that pair of 2’s becomes a 3 of a kind, with a Wild 2 thrown in, then you get a X3 applied to your mult. And, if you can actually do it, be it through a bunch of wild cards or some decent deck manipulation, where you can play all 4 suits in a hand, then you’d get X4 applied to your multiplier.

This encourages people to switch up some of their suits in some of their runs, as well as boosting the joker while still keeping it on the theme of playing multiple suits, making it a good joker for mid-level Antes, while still keeping a theme of wanting the Pot to be varied with all of the suits.

opal coral Jul 21, 2024, 9:05 PM

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i like this a lot actually

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flower pot atm is very usable but also a boring x3 if you get it to work

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but how would this work if you just play a stone? 0x?

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:06 PM

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opal coral but how would this work if you just play a stone? 0x?

1X

opal coral Jul 21, 2024, 9:06 PM

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i was thinking so yeah

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:07 PM

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opal coral i was thinking so yeah

Since, even though it technically doesn’t have a suit because Stone, it still has SOME value for coding purposes

gritty pier Jul 21, 2024, 9:07 PM

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Stencil also gives x1 if you go over the joker slot limit

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Even though it shows x0

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:08 PM

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gritty pier Even though it shows x0

So it could be the same with Flower Pot

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Though, why you’re playing only stone cards in a hand, and nothing else… that’s on you

gritty pier Jul 21, 2024, 9:08 PM

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Yea

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:08 PM

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But it would go UP to X4

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It buffs it… but it also actually needs it too, considering that it doesn’t give as much of a payout

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But for an UNCOMMON? It’s not a bad card, and it makes you play a tiny bit of a minigame of sorts (drawing and discarding specific suits, or deck balancing to make sure that you CAN have the right amount of suits)

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So you can get more runs themed around stuff like Five of a Kind compared to Flush Five, making each suit worth it

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:11 PM

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gritty pier Yea

Your thoughts?

gritty pier Jul 21, 2024, 9:12 PM

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I like the idea. The x3 is a bit underwhealming for how hard it is to get working and how much it limits you, so I think the buff to x4 is justified

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:13 PM

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gritty pier I like the idea. The x3 is a bit underwhealming for how hard it is to get workin...

The other idea is essentially you only getting X2 or X3 most of the time… would that be GOOD for an Uncommon?

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Considering things like Blackboard exists, after all…

gritty pier Jul 21, 2024, 9:14 PM

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I think with that change it should probably become a rare

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A x2 or x3 for basically free justifies it being rare

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And x4 with some workaround

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:16 PM

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gritty pier And x4 with some workaround

Okay, so then the new description would be:

Flower Pot, Rare Joker
X1 Mult for each suit in hand

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With the added caveat of any wild card being an extra suit, so it just adds to the mult

gritty pier Jul 21, 2024, 9:18 PM

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I'd phrase it as "x1 mult for each unique suit scored this hand". Your text would imply, that unscored cards cound and "in hand" could be seen as "held in hand", so I'd phrase it like this for clarity

opal coral Jul 21, 2024, 9:18 PM

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i still think it can be uncommon but minus the whole wild card stuff

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they would still be very helpful

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but since wild is an enhancement and not really a suit it would be more consistent

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:21 PM

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gritty pier I'd phrase it as "x1 mult for each unique suit scored this hand". Your text woul...

Okay, so what about…

X1 mult for each unique suit scored?

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That allows plays not just from stuff like wild cards… but also a common joker: Splash?

gritty pier Jul 21, 2024, 9:22 PM

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Yea, the "this hand" is unnecessary now, that I think about it

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:22 PM

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The UNIQUE part is necessary… but would it still be an Uncommon?

gritty pier Jul 21, 2024, 9:23 PM

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I personally think this should be rare.

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It's very easy to play 2 or 3 different suits in the hand

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:25 PM

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violet wave That allows plays not just from stuff like wild cards… but also a common joker: ...

It already works with spash

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I think your wording makes it way too good

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It’d just be unconditional 4x after a few hands

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:31 PM

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Okay, so then, the Flower Pot would be bumped to Rare then

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:31 PM

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Even as a rare

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:31 PM

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Any other changes it should make?

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:31 PM

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It would be too strong as a rare

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There are rares which are conditional 3x mult

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Drivers license, the order, the trio, the family

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The family isnt 3x but its still relevant

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Unconditional 4x would practically be a free win

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:33 PM

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I think as a RARE… it would be strong, but it’s something you have to work for

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:33 PM

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You dont need to do much work

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You can literally just play a high card of each unique suit

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:34 PM

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But that takes up a whole other slot at that point

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Two jokers for X4 mult

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:34 PM

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Drivers license is more work and its 3x mult

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:34 PM

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violet wave But that takes up a whole other slot at that point

How

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:34 PM

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Splash on a high card run?

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:34 PM

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I meant 4 individual high cards

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No

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:34 PM

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Oh no, then it’s just 1X

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:34 PM

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Ot doesnt even need to be a hc run

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:34 PM

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The card doesn’t GAIN X mult

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:34 PM

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Did i misunderstand your wording

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:34 PM

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Yes.

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:34 PM

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Well anyway

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:35 PM

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Say I play a 4 of a kind, all different suits

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I get X4 mult.

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:35 PM

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Permanently?

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:35 PM

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No

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JUST for that hand

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If my next hand is a pair of 2’s, it’s just 2X mult

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:35 PM

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Your wording doesnt say “this hand” so i assumed it meant that

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:35 PM

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But they have to be different suits

devout kite Jul 21, 2024, 9:35 PM

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It’s just per suit scored in the current hand.
Also indirectly buffs Chad because it’s scored and you could use Wild Card to get 3 Suits in 1 Card.

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:36 PM

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At that point, you’re then committing other slots… for retriggering jokers, but those are other slots for WILD

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And not stuff like glass or lucky

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:36 PM

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Chad is well worth a slot

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:36 PM

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But the most you can get in a hand is X4, like The Family.

It does not grow over time.

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:37 PM

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So then it’d still be uncommon

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Because that’s just a little stronger

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:37 PM

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Yeah, an uncommon that can, AT MOST, give X4 mult… but you HAVE to play all four suits in one hand

devout kite Jul 21, 2024, 9:37 PM

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I think that’s still a bit powerful tho, 4x is a lot

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Especially compared to like Order

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:39 PM

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4x is a lot but it also is a best case

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At that point it’d just be flower pot but 1 more xmult

devout kite Jul 21, 2024, 9:40 PM

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I’d be fine if current Flower Pot got 4x instead of 3x, but this also scales as well

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You don’t need all 4x

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:43 PM

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Straight up

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:44 PM

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devout kite You don’t *need* all 4x

I expect it to only give X2 or X3 most of the time

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Because you’re going to be building for stuff like your flushes and high card builds

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:45 PM

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devout kite I’d be fine if current Flower Pot got 4x instead of 3x, but this also scales as ...

But would it require the bump to Rare?

devout kite Jul 21, 2024, 9:48 PM

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Not that, it just seems like too much to both add on scaling and increase the cap.

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Also flush building is not something you will be doing if you see a potential 4x (with scaling until it reaches its cap) that goes against it earlier on.

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:49 PM

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devout kite Also flush building is not something you will be doing if you see a potential 4x...

True, but there’s not too much you can do, outside of… I guess a Straight would be the highest build?

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If not Four of a Kind, which…

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Well, you’d have to actively balance the suits in your hand, which would no doubt be expensive

devout kite Jul 21, 2024, 9:50 PM

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Straight, Full House, 3/4/5oaK all get very good use out of this

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Two Pair even could technically work

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:50 PM

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violet wave Well, you’d have to actively balance the suits in your hand, which would no doub...

I mean your deck already has an even distribution of suits

devout kite Jul 21, 2024, 9:51 PM

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Also balancing suits for 4oaK/5oaK isn’t hard if you’re not on Erratic or Checkered

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:51 PM

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Right, forget that five of a kind of a thing, since it’s technically a secret hand.

devout kite Jul 21, 2024, 9:52 PM

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If it was like Base 1x, 0.5x/Suit I think it would be fair

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:52 PM

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Max of 3x

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That might be a tad weak

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As in basically just better flower pot

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:53 PM

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The way I see it would be:

No different suits (all Stone cards): 1X
1 suit: 1X
2 suits: 2X
3 suits: 3X
4 suits: 4X
5 suits: 4X

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:53 PM

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5 suits is impossible

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:53 PM

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Four and a wild

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:53 PM

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Wilds can only be one of the 4 suits

celest parcel Jul 21, 2024, 9:53 PM

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wouldnt it be consistent for 1 wild to give x4? (even though thats unbalanced)

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:54 PM

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They cant be anything that isnt one of the 4 suits

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:54 PM

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Right, duh

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But as for wild cards… I would say they could only count for 1 suit

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So if you have a Hanging Chad on a Wild card… it doesn’t break the joker

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:54 PM

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Well technically wilds are meant to count as all suits

celest parcel Jul 21, 2024, 9:55 PM

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yeah 1 wild activates every sin joker doesnt it

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:55 PM

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You cant change that for this joker in specific

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:55 PM

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celest parcel yeah 1 wild activates every sin joker doesnt it

Mhm

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And the uncommon rock jokers

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And aj

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Everything suit related

celest parcel Jul 21, 2024, 9:55 PM

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but wild doesnt activate flower pot alone though

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:55 PM

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Yeah

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:56 PM

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You would still need other suits

celest parcel Jul 21, 2024, 9:56 PM

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you could probably word this one so that it wouldnt either

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:56 PM

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From other cards

native sparrow Jul 21, 2024, 9:56 PM

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i feel like this is too easy to trigger

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:56 PM

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So just playing a wild high card doesn’t give X4 mult, but only X1

native sparrow Jul 21, 2024, 9:56 PM

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if you play a straight or smth its really easy to get 3 suits

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:56 PM

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violet wave So just playing a wild high card doesn’t give X4 mult, but only X1

This would make sense

native sparrow Jul 21, 2024, 9:56 PM

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unless checkered ig

celest parcel Jul 21, 2024, 9:57 PM

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this would also just be better seeing double

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:57 PM

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True

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:57 PM

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True…

native sparrow Jul 21, 2024, 9:57 PM

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true

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:57 PM

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As for a bunch of wilds in a straight… I imagine that would be the only case in which you could have it trigger a straight flush AND this joker, at the same time

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:58 PM

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Well yeah

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:58 PM

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At which point… why are you playing wild cards?

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:58 PM

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For flower pot

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??

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You wouldnt even need all wilds

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3 wilds would be enough

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:59 PM

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True… but if it’s a better Seeing Double, SHOULD it be bumped up to Rare then?

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Since Seeing Double is uncommon itself, yes?

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:59 PM

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Or maybe it could be changed

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 9:59 PM

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Flower Pot, or Seeing Double?

celest parcel Jul 21, 2024, 9:59 PM

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there are very few cases of jokers being better versions of other ones

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 9:59 PM

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Flower pot

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Seeing double is fine as is

celest parcel Jul 21, 2024, 9:59 PM

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onyx and chicot i think are the only ones

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 10:00 PM

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I imagine the idea of Flower Pot is to encourage builds with multiple suits, and a reward for the Minigame of playing them all

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 10:00 PM

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The issue is builds with multiple suits is just the base deck

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And straights are already strong

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So just play those

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 10:01 PM

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True

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So what would be a good idea for Flower Pot, then?

devout kite Jul 21, 2024, 10:01 PM

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Current version, just buffed to 4x

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There’s no reason for a full rework IMO

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 10:01 PM

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True

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 10:03 PM

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True…

… my idea was, it does also encourage the usage of wild cards

thorn schooner Jul 21, 2024, 10:03 PM

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It already does that

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Wild cards themselves are the issue

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Because they suck

violet wave Jul 21, 2024, 10:06 PM

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True…

Well, I guess the idea wouldn’t work then. Ah well.

native sparrow Jul 21, 2024, 10:08 PM

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lovers should get the magician treatment

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just enchance 2 cards into wilds

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