#Matador Ideas

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foggy horizon
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Matador is often considered a strange joker.
The idea is that you are often flying close to the sun by playing useless hands during a Boss.

It is however, confusingly implemented. And inconsistent between bosses.

I have a few potential ideas for Reworks.

Idea number 1 - Complete rework. Give Matador unconditional income, but add a penalty. E.g.

Earn $8 for every hand played during a Boss Blind, -1 Hand during Boss Blinds

Idea number 2 - Matador stays the same, but it wiggles when the hand played gains income to make it more intuitive

Idea number 3 - Matador becomes a conditional Joker, like Glass or Stone. And will only show up when it has an effect on the next boss. This will make it feel less bad and less punishing when drafted for a useless boss

cinder moat
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Someone else mentioned a cash prize for scoring close to the required score for a blind maybe 5% margin. Maybe add something that it needs to be on the final hand like dusk or arcobat. I thought this fits well with the theme of the matador as you are beating the blind in a risky fashion. The reward and score % would have to be workshopped.

hard panther
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Idea Number 2 is a good starting point

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just so we can better understand where Matador applies

unborn badge
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Honestly just want to see it changed. I think its contestable for the worst joker in the game as is

foggy horizon
hard panther
unborn badge
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I said contestable lol.

foggy horizon
hard panther
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at least Showman is useful for stacking Barons in endless mode

outer badger
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Splash

broken surge
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having it wiggle doesnt really solve the issue of you not knowing whether it'll apply for the upcoming boss blind

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ive suggested it having a "compatible" tag like blueprint and friends do that says whether it'll apply to the next boss blind which would maybe be more direct

rocky finch
lethal gorge
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I hate this joker. But I once got lucky and had it with an early game Burglar and got rich as fuck, like $80 after, i think, the Ante 2 boss. I wish it were nerfed (less money) but the effect buffed to be applicable to every boss.

proud blaze
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How about this
If the upcoming boss blind DOESNT trigger the current blind's hand, double money gained when blind is defeated

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for example, if the club is the upcoming boss blind and you dont play a club throughout the blind, you get double money at the end of round

timid ivy
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That's the opposite of the matador theme

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Never provoking the bull

proud blaze
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ah ok sorry

lethal gorge
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I think all 149 other jokers are perfectly designed. This one just bothers the shit out of me lol

proud blaze
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chicot:

lethal gorge
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I love chicot

proud blaze
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what

timid ivy
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It relies a bit too much on luck

lethal gorge
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Chicot is my favorite legendary in the game. But as far as Matador, what if it kept the same effect but it also just gave $8 once at the beginning of every boss round that it currently does NOT give you chances to earn $8?

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That would be fair i think. Even the common Golden Joker gives you $12 per Ante on no skips. $8 per boss round with chances to earn more is actually quite good

rocky finch
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its the worst and it isnt really close

vapid fossil
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Hey, it gives $10 when you sell it

rocky finch
rocky finch
vapid fossil
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🤓🤓🤓

lethal gorge
rocky finch
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a game without bosses is a boring one

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it also doesnt give a bigger number

lethal gorge
rocky finch
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getting numbers is how you win

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it doesnt score

lethal gorge
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Why do you think i have to justify why i like a Joker? Lol

raw eagle
rocky finch
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sorry

karmic niche
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I think matador is fine balance-wise, but a way to tell which bosses do/don't work with it is a good idea, the little shake would at least be a start

lethal gorge
# rocky finch sorry

That's alright! Hey i have c++ and like 300+ hours on this game so I understand the shock when ppl have such a big difference of opinion. Like for me, I'm amazed that ppl don't like Chicot more! But I understand, like you say, it doesn't give a bigger number. I think its fun to be able to put all your eggs in one basket without fearing any boss blind. Disabling all bosses feels like such a f*** you to all the bosses that have screwed me over so many times lol.

But just to be clear, I don't think Chicot is necessarily the best Legendary, just my favorite!

rocky finch
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alright, i see your point here

lethal gorge
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I guess even what is considered the best Legendary is always subjective to my build needs but overall i think post update Yorick has led me to the most consistent wins. Idk, they're all extremely good.

grim gate
raw eagle
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Nice to see that they're reworking it, word of god agrees that there's an issue

timid ivy
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It's current problem is that it's a bit too much luck for equal reward

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You only have around 7 chances to proc it in an ante 8 run (assuming you sell it before the final boss) and 1 chance per ante

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It's approximately a 1 in 2 chance

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I guess it's not a luck issue just it's a frequency issue

hard panther
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oh damn confirmed balance chnages for the future