Dimserene's Modpacks Manager v1.13.2

[jolly phoenix]

let me go full "find in files"

[pine apex]

yeah for some reason mod badges are disabled

even with the steammodded setting ticked off

[jolly phoenix]

snow's mods

[silver oriole]

I have no idea if that can be fixed tho

[void glacier]

where is the link for the modpack please ?

[silver oriole]

It's pinned

[void glacier]

thx :DDD

[silver oriole]

Well time to figure that out I guess

[echo oar]

that's caused by a patch that was recently added to cryptid unreviewed

[signal orchid]

my pack's full of latest commits and the more i play it the more i feel like its becoming more of a complete piece of shitshow

the tags are gone in blinds for no reason

[silver oriole]

😨

[signal orchid]

and everytime i click a button its like rolling a dice of crash-or-not

[silver oriole]

That sounds like a good reason to not add other mods into the mix lol

[brittle spade]

My plan is to add mod compat with Ankh post-release

So that would include things like fold, end round, fuse, evolve, etc.

[silver oriole]

🥳

[silver oriole]

I bumped into a strange issue

My modpack utility mod only works in Full, not in Fine-tuned or Vanilla+

This is the crash log

I copy-pasted the same lua file into Fine-tuned and Vanilla+ pack so it is definitely not user error

[urban wharf]

Can you even reference lovely like that?

There must be a mod in the full pack that defines a global lovely

Can’t you use smods to get the path?

[silver oriole]

Well by define a local lovely myself I fixed it

And I still don't know how to smods it

[urban wharf]

What do you define lovely as, out of interest?

[silver oriole]

local lovely = require("lovely")

[urban wharf]

Makes sense

[silver oriole]

For the 🧠 of mine I don't really understand any of this

I just crawled the internet and my modpacks' mods, looking for something works

[silver oriole]

I tested, a blurred platinum, didn't crash tho

What other conditions do you have at the time?

[jolly phoenix]

unfortunately i have since started a new run

[silver oriole]

Let us know if you encountered this again

[echo oar]

steamodded doesn't make lovely lib global because it only really needs it when first loading

[urban wharf]

But there’s a mod somewhere that does 🤔

[cedar cosmos]

oh right

cryptid

well i think it was cryptid

yup

[echo oar]

eh

that patch is on its way out anyways

[brittle spade]

Yeah today is the last day of that patch

Say goodbye to it chat

[silver oriole]

https://github.com/Dimserene/Test_Pack_July24
One more promotion for the test pack July 2024, it will be dismissed at July 31.

[wild imp]

Dimserene, does your fork of DebugPlus just make it so the console doesn't constanly pop up?

If so I'll probably switch to using that one myellf and include it in my own mod pack

[silver oriole]

yes

[wild imp]

Makes sense. Definitly a good change for the average user :3

[silver oriole]

I don't like them myself lol

[wild imp]

I mean, me neither, if you mean the log popups

[silver oriole]

the log popups are a bit in the face imo

[wild imp]

yeah they really are

Also, I don't quite understand what you're doing with SDM's stuff + Modded only challanges. They seem to work fine as they are as seperate mods without lovely/tom or anything. Are you just doing it that way so you can fork the repo and hae them automatically update easier?

[silver oriole]

it's to make lovely.toml file located in the correct depth

[wild imp]

but... there isn't a lovel./toml in the original mods. Not that I can see. They're 2 separate mod folders that you just add to yur mod folder, and must not use lovely specific features

My idea was just to pull to pull the repo into my own, due to not ebing able to just make a submodule with how it was set up

I could with how yours is set up, but I didn't realize yours existed untilI looked

[silver oriole]

You are looking at 0.9.8 branch

[wild imp]

ah shit

I forgot they did the same thing ortalab did

my b

[silver oriole]

in 1.0.0 branch there's lovely.toml in SDM_0's Stuff folder

[wild imp]

I need to fix my own repo now too, lol. I'll probably just include your fork as a submodule because it works, and I have to redo it anyway to get the right version

[silver oriole]

Keep it slow, keep it steady

[urban wharf]

Why is debug plus even included in a large mod pack? I can’t see any situation where the average user would need to use it outside of development purposes

[wind haven]

why not

[silver oriole]

It's because there are developments/debugging/playtest users among us

Even, I specifically said the packs are not recommended for entertainment purposes, so dev tools like debug plus will be a good addition imo

[urban wharf]

I would have thought it’d be better just as another mod that people who want to do that use, but I can see your reasoning

[silver oriole]

Lastly, I shut it's logging view off to reduce its existence to basically invisible

To make it pleasing for average chaos enjoyers

[wild imp]

it's also good for well... cheating, which plenty of people find fun

[silver oriole]

I am not saying it's added for cheating, but ppl can do whatever they please

[urban wharf]

Yeah that’s personally why I wouldn’t add it to a mod pack, but I can understand wanting it in there for people to use as a testing tool

[wild imp]

There's alo the fact that Dimserene's packs are intended to be standalone, so it's better for it to be included, than not be supported for people who want to use it

[wild imp]

I wish you had Myst Jokers and Crimon's decks in one of your modpacks :P That way I could just cloe them into a gitub codespace and copy the relevent folders into my repo like I did for Snow's Mods and Tier 3 vouchers. Now I have to actually upload folders' from my local machine, whic appears to suck ass

[silver oriole]

Decks and challenges mods are probably not added directly, maybe in a form of permanent addon

[wild imp]

I mean why not? They're completely optional

or is that why?

I think I got everything added to my own modpack. Now to test it, write the readme, and make a release

my commit comments will forever be full of typos, lol

[jolly phoenix]

current mood: "one day i actually want a run to end with me winning instead of the save bricking"

[silver oriole]

What actually happened

[urban wharf]

just a note, please don't edit the names of the sheet tabs, it'll mess with the auto refresh

[silver oriole]

Noted, should be final tho

[urban wharf]

uhhh this was meant for the mod index

[silver oriole]

I know

[urban wharf]

I don't know how it ended up here

[silver oriole]

You failed successfully

[jolly phoenix]

Game abruptly closes upon exiting shop, save then proceeds to immediately close the game upon loading it

🅱️ricked

[silver oriole]

You seem to have run into the most bugs among us

Weird🤔

[jolly phoenix]

The fun part is I have no hope of debugging it because it doesn't save anything in the logs

[wind haven]

my current save also closes when continuing

no logs either

trying to win a run without game crashing (extreme demon)

[silver oriole]

Well shit

[wind haven]

so how to enable debug stuff?

[silver oriole]

You hold tab

I guess if you think the game is not gambly enough you can play my packs

Now you gamble with your save file, how fun

[wind haven]

I think the debug stuff is too long now it doesn't fit the screen

[silver oriole]

It's just a line of text cut off

And part of the reason is custom fonts mod

I played with the config and finally make it look like vanilla but the font size is still a little bit on the big side

[brittle spade]

I mean if you find the number that vanilla uses it should work

[silver oriole]

Time to go source code hunting

[silver oriole]

Warning, The packs are undertaking massive overhaul, please stand-by

[jade forum]

standing-by*

[silver oriole]

You know what I meant

[jade forum]

[silver oriole]

Overhaul finished, everything is tidied up

But everybody are required to do fresh installation

Meaning delete Mods folder, delete <modpack name> folder, reclone+copy/reinstall

[pure gyro]

wilson is planning a redesign for it, i already asked before

[jolly phoenix]

[silver oriole]

Misprint moment

Ig

[jolly phoenix]

antimatter, but correct sentiment

[silver oriole]

(54 mods) Dimserene's Modpacks (SMODS 1.0.0)

Removed from extreme pack

• Phantom Thieves Jokers
• Easier Scoring

[cedar cosmos]

rip

[jolly phoenix]

poor :(

[amber matrix]

😔

[silver oriole]

I know it's not time for test addon mods to be added, but I am still displeased by the constant dropping mod count

So I will add some non-content or prior mods right now to mend it

[wild imp]

I manage to win runs, but they tend to run into a crash soner or later in endless

As is the nature of using so many very much in-development mods I guess

Should probably disclaim that tendency in the Readme for my mod pack when I take it public

Which should happen tonight/tomorrow morning. And then I'll make my own thread and stop bothering y'all about it here

[silver oriole]

It's OK, you can chime in anytime you want

[silver oriole]

Added 6 mods

♥️Vanilla+ & Above♥️

• Aure Spectral
• DVD
• Less Intrusive Stickers
• Score Improvements

♣️Fine-tuned & above♣️

• Blackjack Hands

♠️Extreme♠️

• DX-Tarots

[jade forum]

the best spectral (totally not biased)

[silver oriole]

(60 mods) Dimserene's Modpacks (SMODS 1.0.0)

[wild imp]

I guess the crash on boot I was getting (supposedly from morefluff) only when I had the newest version of blackjack hands installed doesn't matter because you don't have morefluff

[tidal perch]

i thought Vanilla+ was no content mods

[wise sparrow]

Finished adding support for all the mods in finetuned (except for SDM_0's one because they told me to wait) 🎉 🎉

[silver oriole]

Oh you are right, Blackjack adds content

Time to remove it

[tidal perch]

lol

[silver oriole]

Well it's removed from vanilla plus

[fast escarp]

curious how blackjack might interact with spectrums

[unkempt elm]

Been a nightmare trying to do anything during this heatwave 😅

[vagrant musk]

It doesn't. Sadge.

[fast escarp]

dang

blackjack spectrum sounds like a wacky time tho

[vagrant musk]

Would've been cool to set up a Blackjack Spectrum House build, but I'll have to settle for Blackjack Flush House.

[fast escarp]

blackjack spectrum flush house (blackjack of 5 wild cards, 3 of one rank and 2 of another)

[vagrant musk]

Yee. They could base the planet cards for those on the Archimedean Solids

[fast escarp]

oh what like the truncated stars or whatever

[vagrant musk]

The star polyhedra, yes.

[tidal perch]

ig i could make a blackjack spectrum and blackjack spectrum house

[vagrant musk]

It fits with the rest being platonic solids plus sphere.

[vagrant musk]

That'd be cool for modpacks like this one, but you're not obligated to.

[fast escarp]

mod compat is cool but not a requirement yes

[silver oriole]

Anyone using fullpack and recently updated might be crashing on boot

It's because D6 Joker and Cryptid somehow incompats

I've reported the issue

For now just manually remove either mod should temporarily solve the crash

[cyan helm]

I just cloned the extreme pack about 20 minutes ago and it's working fine for me

[silver oriole]

Strange, I am getting this crash

[subtle bane]

What is in that part of the UI definitions dump?

[silver oriole]

One sec

[cyan helm]

Yeah it looks like a lovely patch didn't get applied

[subtle bane]

What the

I have never seen Unknown key before

[subtle bane]

It doesn't happen on my end

I don't get the error at all and it boots fine

[silver oriole]

😭

[cyan helm]

Maybe try redownloading Lovely?

idk

[subtle bane]

It is beta5 when beta6 exists.

[silver oriole]

Is that relevant

[subtle bane]

Yeah it patches fine for me

It looks like the patch somehow ATE THE END

[silver oriole]

Is that relevant

[cyan helm]

It just ignored the Cryptid patch

[subtle bane]

Idk, I've never seen it before.

[cyan helm]

Try updating Lovely to the beta 6, see if that works

[silver oriole]

Oh bruh yeah

My lovely version is too old now

That solved it

Thanks Oppositewolf

[cyan helm]

Flowwey mentioned it first, don't wanna steal credit here

[silver oriole]

It worked fine so I never thought of updating it

Thanks for the help btw

[fast escarp]

Oh really? I never noticed because I just delete the d6 jokers file

[cyan helm]

It was an old lovely version, no issues if you're fully updated

[silver oriole]

Damn, should I also provide a way to update lovely injector for end users?

[cyan helm]

I think the only way to do that would be to redistribute it yourself. Probably would have to contact the owner of lovely for permission. Idk, not sure the rules about that kind of thing

Unless you provide a direct download link to it when you run the install script

[silver oriole]

yeah, at the moment I'll just notify end users to update their version.dll

Like "PLEASE UPDATE YOUR LOVELY INJECTOR YOU MF"

Sorry impulse

[wind haven]

some of the joker displays just disappears
is it possible to learn this power?

and crashed when I play a hand while ante 8 boss sadge

[silver oriole]

Wtf

What's at back.lua:156

[urban wharf]

What deck are you playing on?

[wind haven]

redeemed deck

[wise sparrow]

The displays disappear when there's too much slowdown, but it seems that there are some other things in the game that trigger that as well, I will fix that today. You can unhide them by right clicking the joker

[wise sparrow]

Can't relate, it's really cold here 😛

[unkempt elm]

Share some plz 😭

[wild imp]

Dimserene, idk how iften you try to update mods you have to fork, but it looks like your fork f SDM_)'s mods is 2 commits/bugfixes behind

[unkempt elm]

Im gonna improve the repos of my mods so that they're less nested

[silver oriole]

Where??

Does not look like it

[silver oriole]

Which boss

[wild imp]

these 2 commits on the 1.0 branch looks like they were made after your latest update. idk why they don't seem to be being automatically tracked, I guess maybe because of the stuff you had to move around

wait nvm

the page must've been cahched in my browser or smth

my bad

Actually what happened is it didn't pull through when I updated my modpack for some reason, so the link there was still to an older version

[silver oriole]

Actually we should wait for this

but how do you plan on doing that?

The lovely patches are annoying

[wind haven]

obscure overshoot

[unkempt elm]

For SDM0's Stuff, I'm gonna split each mods into its own repo and move the lovely folder to the root. For Joker Evolution I'll just make the example_mod.lua part of the Joker Evolution mod instead of a separate mod.

[wild imp]

ah that will make it easier to have them in the packs for sure

[silver oriole]

Lovely

[silver oriole]

Any Linux user can test this shell script for me?

It is supposed to clone Dimserene's modpack repo and submodules as a whole and install it to the correct directory

Please let me know if it works or not

[wild imp]

errors out on the copy step

[silver oriole]

Where does your Mods folder goes to? Like the full path of Mods

I mean originally

[wild imp]

there's a copy symlinks that lead to the sam place, but thi path is the one I browse to:

/home/coonie/.steam/steam/steamapps/compatdata/2379780/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/AppData/Roaming/Balatro/Mods

[silver oriole]

Yeah I don't understand linux at all

Why does the path so fricked up

[wild imp]

it's not much more fucked up than the one you used, lol

and in this case it's because it's proton

makes the path real fucky

and the .steam vs .local thing is a recent change to proton/steam I think. Steammodded had it wrong in its documentation when I got into modding back in april

[silver oriole]

Hmm

I don't know man, do I wanna solve this puzzle

[wild imp]

and if you don't know, a folder starting with a dot just means it's "hidden"

[silver oriole]

How does proton work anyway

[wild imp]

though most linux usrs show them I think

[silver oriole]

That is the same in windows

[wild imp]

huh I guess they did start doing it that way

[wild imp]

I don't know the technical details really. It's a compatibility layer to run Windos games on linux, and requires a windows-syle directory structure somewhere. Hence the "drie_c" and all that

[silver oriole]

I mean they represent hidden in a way, but they are shown to end users

[wild imp]

ah yeah I getcha

[silver oriole]

This one should work then?

[wild imp]

trying it now

[silver oriole]

I don't know if that path issue will affect everyone or not

[wild imp]

fpr some reason that one only dies the cloning step

[silver oriole]

Dies?

[wild imp]

ends like its not doing anything wrong

and ofc running it again just fails because the directory's already there

[silver oriole]

Wierd

[wild imp]

should I delete my current Mods folder before running?

maybe that's what made it stop

[silver oriole]

Just move it somewhere else

Use this one instead

[wild imp]

I already have a backup in the form of the local copy of my own modpack :P

[wild imp]

will do

[silver oriole]

Oh yeah then remove it should be fine

[wild imp]

huh, still ends after cloning

[silver oriole]

Oof

[wild imp]

I don't think this should be needed with proper bash scripts, but try just putting "&&" between the commands

[silver oriole]

Added a shebang don't know if that would help

[wild imp]

Wwait I' an idot

[wild imp]

betting this one worked (after I got rid of my Mods folder)

I just forgot to actually check that the folder was made

ofc bash has no output on successful folder creation and copy

sorry for wasting your time

[silver oriole]

Oh yeah it does not output anything when cp

I have an android phone and termux

So I should know that

[wild imp]

I should've known that too. I've used linux every day for 5 years

lmfao

[silver oriole]

So it works?

[wild imp]

yes

[silver oriole]

Good good

[wild imp]

lemme test the first one with the right path again

so you don't need to use the && silliness

[silver oriole]

ok

[wild imp]

why did you say to use this one btw?

[silver oriole]

I am actually not sure if the full path Mods cp to should be ...Balatro/Mods or just ...Balatro

I think it should be first one?

Oh god i think something very stupid happened

[wild imp]

can confirm that this one works

[wild imp]

oh?

[silver oriole]

What's in the Balatro folder ? Still intact?

[wild imp]

yeah, still looks normal

[silver oriole]

Good I thought I inundated your balatro folder

[wild imp]

wait I actually used the second one

the first one would ddouble-nest it

[silver oriole]

Say what

[wild imp]

/Mods/Mods/[your mods]

[silver oriole]

I tested both like these on my phone

[wild imp]

that's what this would do

[wild imp]

this one is right

[silver oriole]

Ok then

[wild imp]

it doesn't do that becaue by copying "./Mods" you're copying that folder into the specified folder

[silver oriole]

Thank God then

Til

[wild imp]

because I use the exact mod pacl I now have on github, and steam cloud exists, I wouldn't have lost anything anyway

but yeah it would have been a bit of a pain to reinstall

(I know that's not where the gaame exe is, but I presume I'd have to reinstall for the supporting files)

[silver oriole]

You mean reinstall to pre-dimserene-modpack?

Oh you mean the game itself

[wild imp]

yeah, if it had nuked my appdata folder

but it dudn't, so it's a moot point

as it is, it was trivial to just copy my mods folder back in

[silver oriole]

True

[pine apex]

some of these deck effects don't like eachother

[silver oriole]

Pff

Phantom thieves are removed anyway

[cedar cosmos]

hell yeah, nilnil nilnil nilnilnil nil

[pine apex]

the DNA upgrade i'm currently using says otherwise-

[silver oriole]

What does that mean

[pine apex]

I have Gorokichi and it's working fine rn.

[signal orchid]

thats aesthetic

[silver oriole]

Lol

[signal orchid]

nilnil
nilnil
nilnilnil
nil

discord F you for ruining the indent

[pine apex]

sometimes i wish i had /slander outside of TOS

[silver oriole]

Talking about indent, I hate how my modpack info display don't indent properly

[silver oriole]

Oh god now there's also Mac users

And I don't know if linux shell scripts work on steamdecks

Any one using mac?

[wild imp]

And this is one of the reasons why I'm just distrubting zip archives periodically for my own pack

Though I think you can run bash scripts and do anything else on the terminal with steam decks

And mac has a very siilar terminal setup to linux afaik

they might ven use bash

[silver oriole]

I might look into it tomorrow

I didn't take zip method because I didn't want to redistribute them

But I guess I am redistributing them

[wild imp]

well, stamodded's gpl license is infectious, and what you're distrubting /is/ source code, so should comply with the gpl

[silver oriole]

I fully understand that now, but not when I created the main pack

[wild imp]

I getcha

[silver oriole]

Maybe it's a good practice to make a relatively stable archives

Like once in a while

But then the problem falls to what defines the "stability"

[wild imp]

It's easy enough to just zip my local copy of the pack that for mine I'm probably gonna make releases pretty much daily

Assuming there's been an update ofc

But stable archives makes sense too

[silver oriole]

In my experience there's always update every day

[wild imp]

nods

[silver oriole]

There's no perfect or finished state of a mod. When imperfect, authors get to fix/polish them. When perfect, authors proceed to build upon them, which almost dooms more bugs

Which IS a virtuous cycle

[wind haven]

the boss blind is freaking out

[wind haven]

The game crashes when winning the run
Literally impossible to win

I think some unlocks messed up, I reset the profile and used unlocked all again the game don't crash when winning anymore

[silver oriole]

That does not make any sense, I guess anything would happen at this point

[silver oriole]

Things like these make me think there's never a "stable" state for the modpack

[austere nexus]

So uh I disabled a mod and now my game crashes.

Anyway to re-enable it?

Nevermind, I managed to fix it by deleting the .lovelyignore file in the mod's folder.

[sonic harbor]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1267615217613803580

I would say we should add this when it's in a releasable state

(totally because I don't concept for it or anything)

[wild imp]

Oh yeah I'd say that makes sense. I'll be downloading it myself and if I like it (which I almost certainly will) be adding it to my pack too

[silver oriole]

It hadn't released right

[wild imp]

Nah it'll still be a fair while I think

[cyan helm]

I was gonna suggest this mod lol. It really does look like a great concept for a mod. I'm excited for it

[silver oriole]

Looks promising 👌

[wise sparrow]

Steamodded is kinda weird with disabling JokerDisplay, I recommend turn it off from the mod's specific menu

[silver oriole]

So you disabled Joker Display or Lcorp?

[cedar cosmos]

how does it crash when disabling lobcorp

[silver oriole]

Don't know, just checking

Want to make sure

[wise sparrow]

It's crashing because lobcorp is checking for SMODS.Mods.JokerDisplay which still exists even if disabled

[silver oriole]

Oo yeah the disabling functionality is funky

It's not completely ignored

[wise sparrow]

Yeah, I've also had the mod work completely fine even when disabled. I don't know if that's fixed now

[subtle bane]

I kinda makes sense why SMODS.Mods.JokerDisplay would still be true even when disabled, Steamodded has to know the mod exists in order to disable/enable it.

So it kinda has to be in SMODS.Mods

[cedar cosmos]

oh that's funny

[subtle bane]

Although iirc isn't checking for _G.JokerDisplay better?

[wise sparrow]

I usually do that

[cedar cosmos]

yeah i can probably change the check to the jokerdisplay global

[misty mesa]

SMODS.Mods.JokerDisplay and SMODS.Mods.JokerDisplay.can_load might also work?

[wise sparrow]

It's probably just easier and safer to check for JokerDisplay or _G.JokerDisplay

Well, unless someone want to mess with me specifically and makes a mod that overwrites it

[misty mesa]

I mean... basically any check can be overwritten, or break in the future

[misty mesa]

this will also break if SMODS changes something about it's inner functionality

[subtle bane]

yea

I don't think that SMODS.Mods.<mod_id>.can_load would ever change but it is the more unsafe solution to just checking for global JokerDisplay

If another mod adds or overrides it than that's just an incompat issue with that mod; it's unlikely any will be willing to do that.

[wise sparrow]

i will overwrite SMODS in the next update

[subtle bane]

Why overwrite SMODS?

[wise sparrow]

for fun

[misty mesa]

for evil

[misty mesa]

prob true for JokerDisplay, but can_load is probably better if you cant be bothered to find out if the mod declares any globals

[wise sparrow]

that's also nice if you don't care about loading priority

[misty mesa]

huh, didn't even think about that but makes sense yeah

[subtle bane]

Tbf you would want to load after the mod so the information the mod loads can be used.

If your mod loads before JokerDisplay, you can check if it's there though can_load but it's still gonna error if you add anything because JokerDisplay doesn't exist yet.

[misty mesa]

well yeah, but then you do care about loading priority

though I have no clue about the practical applications of needing to know whether another mod will be loaded in the future

[subtle bane]

Honestly there isn't.

[wise sparrow]

hey maybe someone wants to add a nice message if it sees you have cryptid installed

like when it checks you save files in metal gear

[subtle bane]

There was a mod that added Jimbo as a legendary card, quips and all

Idk what happened to it.

[tiny sorrel]

how do i use lovely??

anyone around that could help me get this working??

[silver oriole]

https://github.com/ethangreen-dev/lovely-injector

[tiny sorrel]

I got it to a different crash screen where it says it's missing a file named lua

[silver oriole]

screenshot?

I don't have a lot of time so let's get to the main issue fast

[silver oriole]

Did you install smods?

Steamodded

[tiny sorrel]

yaa

[silver oriole]

my modpack will install smods for you

So delete the one you put in Mods folder

[tiny sorrel]

different crash screen

[cedar cosmos]

verify integrity of game files

[silver oriole]

Oh yeah right

[tiny sorrel]

how does one do that ?

[tiny sorrel]

I think that did it

yep it did thanks

[silver oriole]

At this point I should've just throw "verify game file integrity" every time I see somebody crashed

[silver oriole]

Test addon pack for July 2024 will be expired in 11 hours

Also I just did a PET, it made me feel like going into alternate dimension

[wind haven]

I literally hit update before every session

[silver oriole]

Well if there's no issue whatsoever then maybe you don't have to

And by that I think I know why you do that

[wild imp]

I always try to have the most up-to-date version of y mods before playing, modpack or not

[waxen obsidian]

Either way works as long as you don't bundle the lovely dll with your mods. This is only because it makes deploying releases a pain in the butt 🫠 .

I also think it'll be important to include some sort of version check in future releases.

It is a bit much to expect users to actively seek out new lovely versions when they release.

[silver oriole]

I think that is indeed a good addition if realized.

[vagrant musk]

You know, normally when someone says "The game doesn't like me winning." it's a hyperbolic statement of unfairness. In this case, it's that the game crashes every time the win screen would come up. I've updated, verified game file integrity, deleted and reinstalled, nothing fixes it.

[subtle bane]

Some “gamble” object is having issues

This looks the game is trying to unlock something (maybe “Blackjack” whatever that is) and failing.

[vagrant musk]

Ohhh. Must be something to do with the Blackjack Hands mod then.

That's a shame. Hopefully it can be fixed. I like that mod.

[silver oriole]

@mathguy

[tidal perch]

hi

[subtle bane]

Odd part is this mod doesn’t have a hook for check_for_unlock

[silver oriole]

Wait did I pinged

[tidal perch]

no

im just here

[silver oriole]

Magical

Are you telling me it's yet another incompat

[subtle bane]

TL;DR something is trying to get unlocked after winning a run and it references both the “Blackjack” hand and “The Gamble” in the process.

[vagrant musk]

It was a really good run too. I got an Eternal Effarcire and then I got Ouija, and then I had Exponentia and Constellation on me. It was the ultimate Spectrum Five build.

[tidal perch]

the The Gamble joker requires winning a run without playing a Blackjack to be unlocked.

[subtle bane]

Ohhh ok

[tidal perch]

it kinda just worked in 0.9.8

im guessing i have to change something to avoid errors

[subtle bane]

This mod kinda smelled of 0.9.8 with the nonexistent use of SMODS.Challenge.

At least most of it was converted it seems

[silver oriole]

Hmm, what about remove the mod temporarily and then resume again maybe it magically fixed?

[vagrant musk]

Deleted. Let's see if it works...

[silver oriole]

You are not playing blackjack Hands anyway

[vagrant musk]

I was in other runs that also crashed on win.

Like when I was getting all those Blackjack Houses I mentioned.

It worked!

[tidal perch]

so like how do i make unlock conditions properly?

[vagrant musk]

I thought it might crash since I leveled up some Blackjack Hands, but I guess those were able to be removed seamlessly.

[silver oriole]

Oh I also have a crash today

It's business Joker from spicy

[silver oriole]

It looks like you have the same crash as Lu i gical11🖤⚡️🤍's

Before mathguy fix the mod please remove Blackjack hand mod

[round vale]

Hey, I'm in a run and it crashes every time I try to buy the buffoon pack in the shop

[silver oriole]

Oh Gods. Old bugs still lurking.

Is it possible to find a certain file that contains 'next' in line 546?????

When there are so many files to be searched is there a tool that can do this

Or 'calc_function' idk

[silver oriole]

Can you upload relevant log file here?

It's in Mods/lovely/log

[round vale]

I'll try, I'm not sure exactly which log went to that crash cuz I was messing around trying to get around it

Sorry if this is the wrong thing, I just recently started modding balatro so I'm still getting used to it

[subtle bane]

Should be easy to narrow since this is a JokerDisplay related issue (or at least originates from there).

It’s from a line in TWEWJ

Ouch, this doesn’t look pretty

JokerDisplay.evaluate_hand returned “Unknown”

[silver oriole]

@parchment or @N' ?

[silver oriole]

Maybe I am asking a stupid ass question. But can version.dll be put on github source code? Or is that going to be a very bad idea

[wise sparrow]

That's normal, it returns Unknown when there's something other than a playing card selected.

It seems like TWEWJ doesn't check if poker_hands["Three of a Kind"] exists before calling next().

[silver oriole]

Is there a way to properly align these text?

[cedar cosmos]

what's your node's alignment

[silver oriole]

align = "cm"

this?

[cedar cosmos]

try cr

[silver oriole]

Or maybe I am not supposed to concatenate these texts

[silver oriole]

I think I did tried that

Yeah my approach is bad I think but I don't fully understand how the game or smods handle these

[cedar cosmos]

try also adding cr to the text node

[silver oriole]

didn't make it align to the right

I mean when it was just a single line of text it worked fine

but the lines after first one will always align to the left of first line

[cedar cosmos]

make three text nodes

[silver oriole]

Getting somewhere?

[cedar cosmos]

surely

[silver oriole]

Now they're tryna connect head to tail

Oh i have an idea

Nope no luck

Myst you meant this right?

[cedar cosmos]

yea

[silver oriole]

They simply concatenated

[cedar cosmos]

oh right

make a row node for each text node, like this

[silver oriole]

I don't see the reason behind this but ok

[cedar cosmos]

uh no there are no row nodes there

[silver oriole]

G.UIT.R?

[cedar cosmos]

yea

so itd be like

{
  -- first row
  n = G.UIT.R, config = ..., nodes = {
    {n = G.UIT.T, config = ...}
  },
  -- second row
  n = G.UIT.R, config = ..., nodes = {
    {n = G.UIT.T, config = ...}
  },
  -- third row
  n = G.UIT.R, config = ..., nodes = {
    {n = G.UIT.T, config = ...}
  },
}

[silver oriole]

Nods

Can G.UIT.ROOT be inside G.UIT.ROOT?

Ans is yes but they all clumped together

[silver oriole]

This is how it looks like with this solution, but there is a big transparent black box underneath it

well i guess i can just remove that color tag

Nope, not so easy huh

[cedar cosmos]

try G.C.CLEAR

[silver oriole]

How do I get to know all these color names?

[silver oriole]

Does not work

Oh wait a sec

[wise sparrow]

The colors are in globals.lua

[silver oriole]

Thanks guys, it worked

[cedar cosmos]

if you think the lines are too spaced apart then change the padding

[silver oriole]

Yeah I might just remove the padding

[waxen obsidian]

Not a stupid question and it's not a "bad idea" per se, but it's not a recommended practice compared to releases.

It's also a pain to integrate into any sort of release pipeline.

[silver oriole]

I have a vague idea that it will not be as easy as I thought.

Thanks for the explaination!

[silver oriole]

• Removed Test addon pack July 2024

• Added 9 mods:

Vanilla+:

• Aurinko
• StackedRedSeals

Fine-tuned and above:

• VanillaExpansion
• SpicyJokers
• Virtues
• MoreJokerPacks
• Jeantoine
• Contracts
• Snow's Mods

(69 mods) Dimserene's Modpacks (SMODS 1.0.0)

https://github.com/Dimserene/Test_Pack_Aug24

New test addon pack for August 2024

[misty mesa]

aren't Aurinko and StackedRedSeals dangerously close to being "content mods" btw?

[dense wharf]

Yeah I don’t think those are quality of life

[urban wharf]

Yeah I would say Aurinko for sure isn’t very vanilla+, I think stacked red seals is okay though, although I haven’t looked at what the default config values are

[dry echo]

Do all of the mods work with 1.0.0a

[vagrant musk]

Just updated to the newest version. Crashing on boot. What's Neighborhood from?

[tidal perch]

Contracts

[vagrant musk]

Huh. Should I remove that one then?

[tidal perch]

probably

[vagrant musk]

Yep, getting rid of Contracts fixed it. What's that mod even do anyway?

[unkempt elm]

Legally binds you to a $500 dollars fee with the mod owner

[silver oriole]

I categorized them like this because they didn't "add" anything new.
Personally I don't have experience with stackedredseal so I can only judge by Its supposed effect

[urban wharf]

Aurinko definitely adds new features, it entirely changes how planet level ups work

[wild imp]

You could easily argue that editioned planet cards at least are 'adding new content'

[silver oriole]

First things first, i am not trying to argue with whether it should remain in vanilla+ or not, I really wanna discuss

I think it's not a bad idea to introduce some tweaks mods into vanilla plus pack

It's not like dx cards from dx Tarot, there are physical additions in collection menu

[urban wharf]

I agree with introducing tweaks (stacked red seals is a great example) but I don’t think the way editions planets applies to hand levelling is suitable for vanilla +

[silver oriole]

Hmm, then how do we define the line

[urban wharf]

It would have to be your personal opinion I think

It’s your mod pack after all

[silver oriole]

Like personally I don't hate the idea behind aurinko being introduced into vanilla

[misty mesa]

if a mod has a direct impact on the scoring in a run, I'd say it's no longer QoL or utility

[silver oriole]

I categorized it in playstyle mod

[misty mesa]

I saw, but I'm not sure it fits the description vanilla+ has right now

[silver oriole]

I see

[misty mesa]

I think both are mods that fit really well in "balatro's style" and stay pretty close to the original mechanics

and are therefor good candidates for a "vanilla enhancements" (or whatever) modpack

they just... don't fit the current description of vanilla+

[silver oriole]

Yes I see your reasoning now

I don't want modpack(s) that only my own ideas matter, but I guess I can tweak the rules to reconcile it

[misty mesa]

yeah I get that

and I mean, as long as there are clear(ish) rule for separation between the packs it's all good

even if those rules change over time

[silver oriole]

maybe add a simple "vanilla-like" definition

[urban wharf]

I think you could maybe adjust your tuning so more things are in extreme rather than fine tuned

And leave vanilla + as just qol stuff

[misty mesa]

also an option yeah

[silver oriole]

Will think about it more, I'm currently at work

I did noticed Fine-tuned-Pack are dangerously close to Full pack as of right now

I am hesitating between many aspects

1. I don't think many ppl actually uses Fine-tuned, at least last time I make a poll full pack won like drastically
2. If there does exist Fine-tuned enjoyers, their opinions are not heard by most of us.
3. Again, currently the rules are not strict and clear enough to distinguish where a mod should belong

Thought about bugs and crashes, deprecated mods cause them because of lacking maintenance, new mods cause them because active development, no good

[wild imp]

I think extreme needs to exist because of Cryptid

So fine tuned is one step down (right?)

[silver oriole]

Craziness and difficulty, everyone have different ruler on the topic

[silver oriole]

This is almost how the packs function right now

[wild imp]

Also idk if math blinds is in extreme, but some of them are pretty unfair

[silver oriole]

Like I said, the measurements aren't the same between us

I would like pll that played Fine-tuned have a vanilla-like experience, and content mods that managed to achieve this are welcomed

[urban wharf]

In my thinking, fine tuned should be your default go to mod list that you can just download and play and have a good experience, anything extra (or stuff that needs customising) goes in extreme

[silver oriole]

That might actually included cryptid

Because many ppl find good experience in cryptid

[urban wharf]

Cryptid is 100% extreme

Although maybe it’s fine in standard gameplay

I only see the crazy crap it does

[silver oriole]

I do too

[subtle bane]

When you don't have Epic/Exotic joker's it's not too insane.

Maybe very evil blinds, but not too bad

[urban wharf]

But they’re on by default, yes?

[subtle bane]

Everything is on by default so yeah that would include Epics and Exotics.

[dense wharf]

The misc Jokers are still really unbalanced imo

[urban wharf]

Yeah, I’d categorise that in extreme then

[subtle bane]

Agreed

[dense wharf]

I mean it easy to disable so I don’t think it’s a big deal

[silver oriole]

I will never put it in Fine-tuned

[dense wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[urban wharf]

Not for a plug and play mod pack

I mean, come on, how many people do we have asking how to install mods when there’s a perfectly well written guide to it

[dense wharf]

Yeah you’re right about that

xd

[silver oriole]

It's because of several reasons:
1. So many more guides that should be deprecated but exists
2. 0.9.8 & 1.0.0 confusion
3. They hate to read.

[urban wharf]

You missed some strike throughs on those first two reasons

It’s number three

It’s always number three

Imagine trying to direct them to turn off options in configs

[silver oriole]

What config, you mean cryptid ?

[urban wharf]

Well any config

That’s my reasoning for things that need configs adjusting for whatever reason to be in extreme

If the default settings don’t offer a balanced good experience ofc

[silver oriole]

I have several mods in my pack that I do manually changed config before including them

It's not a big deal for me

But cryptid is definitely not one of them

[hoary flower]

Hey there’s a weird crash I just got while doing a strange run. It just closes the game too, but I got a look at the logs and it says the following

INFO - [G] ERROR LOADING GAME: Card area ‘shop_vouchers’ not instantiated before load

INFO - [G] ERROR LOADING GAME: Card area ‘shop_jokers’ not instantiated before load

INFO - [G] ERROR LOADING GAME: Card area ‘shop_booster’ not instantiated before load

It happens when I try to continue a run from main menu

[silver oriole]

What happened before you tryna resume the run?

[hoary flower]

I mean I just click play and it crashes

No error screen even

[silver oriole]

No I mean, did you modify anything

[hoary flower]

Nope, it crashed at first when I pressed view deck in my run. Now it just won’t let me resume

[misty mesa]

ran into the same error btw - seems like the contracts mod is nested for some reason

and unnesting them fixes the issue

[silver oriole]

When did you install the current pack

[vagrant musk]

What's that mean?

[misty mesa]

that the files look like this (there's a Contracts folder in the Contracts folder)

you can fix it yourself by moving the inner contracts folder up 1 directory (or wait for dimserene to fix this and update the modpack)

[vagrant musk]

Huh. Well that's just silly.

[waxen obsidian]

if you want to do version checks / grab the most recent version then you should look into using the github API. afaik the info that you would need to get doesn't require an auth key or anything

[silver oriole]

That is because mathguy arranged his repo like this. Thankfully the mod is discontinued, I will find time to fix this.

It's an easy fix just need some time

[silver oriole]

Thank you, that's a nice information to have. I will look into this

[waxen obsidian]

you can use this for inspiration if you'd like https://gist.github.com/ethangreen-dev/1ff0ad1ca02c5e7f70fbb5d471db7413

https://api.github.com/repos/ethangreen-dev/lovely-injector/releases/latest is the endpoint you would want to query

[silver oriole]

I am actually not capable of intaking these : (

But I'll try anyway

Did a quick Google search it looks like this is written in rust

[silver oriole]

So ever since i partake in this modding community, what I noticed is that there do exist a border between average modders and coders, and I am somehow being forced between the groups

[wild imp]

https://github.com/PyGithub/PyGithub

Maybe this pegging template will be more suitable to work with

[wild imp]

I'm neither a coder or a madder, so i'm definitely fumbling through

[waxen obsidian]

Are you doing this entirely in lua?

[silver oriole]

Uh well

It's hard to explain

[waxen obsidian]

I'm interested

[silver oriole]

You shouldn't

I refer myself as a coding illiterate

I can't even write a functional mod on my own

[silver oriole]

I can't install this on my phone sadly

[silver oriole]

Short answer is that I mostly use bash or batch script 🤔 I know coding solves lots of issues but I just can't get a hold of it

[wild imp]

Huh I'd think that the terminal thing in Android could do python. Guess not

[silver oriole]

I installed it and it prompt me to install rust.

[wild imp]

Ah makes sense

[silver oriole]

And then still can't install it

It says Failed building wheel for pynacl

[wild imp]

https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/how-to-install-rust-on-termux/

Looks like they're might be a way

[silver oriole]

I mean I installed both py and rs

But I still cannot install py github

[wild imp]

Huh that's weird. Is your version of python/pip up to date,

[silver oriole]

Tried upgrading multiple times

Never mind found a solution

But I need to rest first.

[wild imp]

Rest well :3

[silver oriole]

Fixed

[silver oriole]

Cleaned up the repos, made my life much easier to manage pack versions, and pushed 0801b version.

[wild imp]

Did you remove Snow's Mods? You said you added it from the test pack, but it doesn't seem to be in the main pack now

[silver oriole]

Bruh

Time to push 0801c

[wild imp]

whoopsie

[silver oriole]

I can see the same problem, as in that I don't python either

[wild imp]

python is pretty simple to fumble your way through even if you don't really code imo

though for all I know Rust might be too. In any case there's a template in the readme for the python thing so all you should need to do is figure out what api commands you need and put them in the spot for them

[silver oriole]

Looks like I need to actually put time and effort to understand it, I might need to do it some other day

Time to look for github api tutorial for dummies

[cedar cosmos]

why is there a template for pegging

[wild imp]

Very fair. I've never done anything like this either, so idk how complicated it is

[silver oriole]

Uh... which pegging?

I regret Googling it already

Did a quick look at the github api documents, I decided it's not worth my time to figure this mess out... I'll let end users worry about it

[cedar cosmos]

LMAO

[silver oriole]

How much do you guys trust ChatGPT?

I think it's like cheating with midjourney to create logo

But like, this is so useful than any guides online

[wild imp]

I don't have a problem with ai in general, but text bars ai in particular has less legitimate objections imo

I think using it tfor coding help is perfectly fine

[tidal perch]

I personally wouldn’t use ChatGPT as your sole source of info

As it can confidently give you misinformation that sounds correct

[silver oriole]

AND I lack the knowledge needed to distinguish rights from wrongs

[wild imp]

Full disclosure. I used it to help write my list of mods in the readme for my mod pack. Would just be more menial to write all that markdown by hand, so I just wrote the first entry then gave it the links to all the mod repos and had it write the list in the sane format

[wild imp]

Well if it doesn't work it's wrong :p

[silver oriole]

If I just want end results then maybe, but I do wish to learn from it.

[tidal perch]

But do you know what questions to ask?

[silver oriole]

That is the other question.

I did this:

I wish to have a lua file that implements github api to fetch latest release zip file in this url: https://github.com/ethangreen-dev/lovely-injector/releases

[tidal perch]

Start using chatgpt to find out what to ask /j

[silver oriole]

Actually maybe I should use rust or python like metherul did, but I would like end users to be able to use install the packs as easy as possible

So it should definitely include the git commands for installing the pack while checking/downloading latest lovely injector

I can see why metherul used rust, as rust don't need to install extra libraries

[urban wharf]

I thinking running a python script is easier than using git commands

[silver oriole]

You mean to fully rely on guthub api to download and update repo?

[urban wharf]

Is that not what your idea is?

[silver oriole]

Oof I guess you are correct

But can the script install required libraries by itself ? Or end users need to install them first

I looked it up, it looks like if I use pyinstaller, it will package python with many required libraries as long as my scripts together into standalone executables

Then again it is hard (but might not be impossible) for my android phone to realize

[winged coral]

Regarding this, I actually didn't download the Fine-Tuned pack because it had so many content additions that I may as well get the Extreme one, so I ended up using the Vanilla pack and adding a few content mods myself for a streamlined experience. Only an extra ~90 jokers cherry picked from several mods, and the new suits from Bunco. This way I still see a lot of the content from the base game and get to experience how modded content interacts with that, rather than a chaotic mix of every mod's content.

Not to say that the Fine-Tuned pack is bad, I think it's a good pack! I just think that people downloading a pack that adds 300+ new jokers and many other new content items are probably the same people who would just get the extreme pack anyway.

[silver oriole]

You mean Fine-tuned pack?

[winged coral]

Yes, edited

[silver oriole]

I mean everyone have their pick of fav mods, I cannot make everyone happy by introducing many different packs to choose from

The idea of Dimserene's personal favorite is also out of the window because well, I am actually using Full/Extreme pack personally

The idea behind Fine-tuned is actually let players have all-their-can-pick, and let them reduce from that

But I guess the way my packs update is prohibiting ppl from doing that.

[silver oriole]

I cannot install pyinstaller on android, and I am not trying anymore

[wind haven]

It's annoying now I have to remove mods I don't want after every time I update and reconfigure the JCursor images

[signal orchid]

its super powerful for questions that can be solved using google but prolly would cost you extra time to figure out or personalize. for example you got some example codes but dont know what a specific line in it is actually doing, or theres a crash but you have no idea what it means nor how to manage to solve it, or not sure how a flag can be used in linux commands. just dont ask it to write a whole ass balatro mod for you based on your prompt

[silver oriole]

well since you talked about this, do you wanna elaborate?

Also for those find a mix of modblend that is difficult to customize not your bowl of soup, consider https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1267759347157565552

[silver oriole]

Actually, I tried to copy pasted my modpackutil mod's code in to the prompt and asked it to break it down for me, and I think it's doing a fantastic job.

[silver oriole]

I am gonna ponder upon how to distinguish Fine-tuned and Full packs

[silver oriole]

I think I am gonna make a checklist and score each mod to determine whether or not they should be in Fine-tuned

[wind haven]

currently I remove 3 mods from the full modpack, when I update I have to remove them again
and JCursor't cursor image points to a specific filename, so if I renamed to a different one the update will overwrite it

[soft locust]

Game full closes itself after I do the install, any help?

[hoary flower]

hey so updated the pack and uhh

is this normal?

[hoary flower]

game launches fine and everything, but this still happens

[wild imp]

I have a feeling dimserene switched to using the original repository but forgot to fix the url

[hoary flower]

ah, makes sense

[hoary flower]

verified integrity and also tried seeing if i had an old version of lovely. No Dice still

[wild imp]

Yeah it doesn't seem like a problem really. If you do want to make sure you have the latest version of betmma's just download it from them directly

The code button, not the release

[hoary flower]

ye went ahead and did that

[hoary flower]

still no dice

also tried unlock all, didn't work either

[wild imp]

Unless I'm missing something there's no way to fix that "error" on your end and it Doesn't seem to be causing any trouble

[oblique vigil]

theres a really nice amount of mods rn

[silver oriole]

You need to reclone

@oblique vigil you need to fix your mod!

[oblique vigil]

how exactly

[silver oriole]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1L2wPG5mNI-ZBSW_ta__L9EcfAw-arKrXXVD-43eU4og/

In the bugs and crashes tab look for RO-Balatro

[silver oriole]

What does that mean, no crash screen?

[trail reef]

Just a heads up but D6 Jokers + Cryptid together causes it to crash on startup, I went through all the mods and since updating to the new modpack and removing one or the other lets it load normally

[unkempt elm]

@silver oriole Letting you know the repo update on SDM_0's Stuff has been done.

[silver oriole]

I recommend you do a clean install (delete Mods folder then setup)and see if this is fixed

[silver oriole]

Roger that

[trail reef]

Yeah I tried a clean install too, error still happened and they were still causing the conflicts

[silver oriole]

Huh

[trail reef]

Could just be something on my own end still but removing one completely fixes the issue

[silver oriole]

I'll see if I can replicate that

[trail reef]

Yeah just lmk cause if you dont I can attempt to clean install again

[waxen obsidian]

@silver oriole this should download the latest windows version of lovely: https://github.com/ethangreen-dev/lovely-injector/releases/latest/download/lovely-x86_64-pc-windows-msvc.zip

that should always work

afaik

[silver oriole]

Oh :pog:

[silver oriole]

You might need to remove <modpack name> folder too

It didn't crash for me

[trail reef]

I already have the modpack folder separate from the actual mods so that's not a cause

[silver oriole]

No, I mean you delete everything and clone anew

Like you never install my modpack

[trail reef]

Ahh gotcha

I'll try tomorrow and update you then cause it's pushin 2am here lmao

[silver oriole]

No worries, but I can confirm the modpack should work as intended

[trail reef]

Awesome, everything else was working so it's not the end of the world if its still bugged on my end for whatever reason

[silver oriole]

I think it's because the cryptid had a lovely patch that is no longer there, but when my pack updates it's still there

[wild imp]

Maybe you could make the updates clean installs of all the mods included. You could do it without deleting any bits the user added to their mods folder extra, and probably even exclude user configurable files from deletion/replacement

Should be a bit tedious, but not too hard when bash

[silver oriole]

I know everything is possible, I just cannot conceive how to do it

[wild imp]

You could remove the folders totally without user configurable files and then cd into the ones that do and remove everything else, before cdomh back into the mods (or balatro) directory and copying everything over

Abd pretry sure copy has a --no-clobber flag or similar

And I presume windows batch scripts support all the same things, though I also think there's ways for people running modern versions of windows to just run bash scripts natively

[jolly shadow]

Well, i think i played enough fallout 4 for now

I'll try out newest version soon

I think i might have to stop in middle of run though

no crash at the beginning

i got bored so i'm running infinite deck today

[silver oriole]

Space man good to see you coming back, would like to know if you have any feedback on how to improve the packs

I mean if you got bored there's definitely something wrong

[jolly shadow]

Well i don't mean the modpack is boring

i meant the playing fallout 4 made me bored

i'm just trying to do the simsettlement mod storyline done but god

constant need to loot and shoot makes me bored as hell

[silver oriole]

Ahh god damn grinding

[jolly shadow]

yeah

dang, lost the run to wall

there doesn't seem like bug happening yet though

no crash either

[silver oriole]

we've got lot's of bug fixes recently

Do you have the most recent modpack installed? The version should be visible on the top right of title screen

[silver oriole]

@wild imp where should version.dll be located in linux/proton? I would like the full path

[wild imp]

I'm not at my computer but I'll take a look in an hour or so if no one else answers before then

[silver oriole]

Sorry to bother you for this btw :sorry:

[wild imp]

No worries. I'm not a busy person :3 Quite lazy and unencumbered in faxt

Just happen to not be in the same place as my computer atm

[jolly shadow]

Yeah, full version that i just pulled

I need to go out now so i'll have to continue later

[silver oriole]

Ok, just remember don't update midrun

[jolly shadow]

👍

[wild imp]

Looks like it's "/home/coonie/.steam/steam/steamapps/common/Balatro" for me

"coonie" of course just being the suser folder

[silver oriole]

so it should be
"/home/$USER/.steam/steam/steamapps/common/Balatro"

[wild imp]

yep

[silver oriole]

Does this one work

It should download lovely, or check your lovely version and if outdated, update it

[wild imp]

yep, looks like ti worked

I deleted lovely before I tried it, so idk if the checkign + updating works, but I already had the latest release anywat

looks like running it again works in that it just tells me it's up to date

[silver oriole]

What if you install an older lovely and try again

[wild imp]

I'll try it, gimme a sec

[silver oriole]

I really should look into dual boot my laptop

[wild imp]

seems to work

[silver oriole]

Cool

[wild imp]

you could run a linux VM in a pinch, not like you'd need to actually play the game in it, so it doesn't have t be very powerful

and having to reboot to test things kinda blows

[silver oriole]

Any recommendation

[wild imp]

ofc I reccomend just switching to linux :P

[wild imp]

fr though, in terms of linux distrobtions, I'd go with Linux Mint. It's basically made for new users and is what I still use, and for virtual machaine software to run it within windows, good ol' virtualbox works just fine afaik

[silver oriole]

I have a powerful gaming laptop that is customized in windows, don't wanna blow it

[wild imp]

yeah I get'cha. I had a nice gaming laptop too, (it's broken atm) but never really played games so I could use linux no issue

[silver oriole]

Thanks, I will look into it

I actually tried to install Linux on my android phone and to no avail

[wild imp]

An x86 emutlator for android should be able to do it, but native arm linux wouldn't be set up the way you need for testing anyway

[silver oriole]

I forgot vm exists

That is

[silver oriole]

Oh, I finally got it. Dictionary and array are same thing in lua

It's all tables

[unkempt elm]

Always has been 🔫

[trail reef]

Unsure what the issue with it loading was yesterday, just clean installed it all again and its loaded perfectly fine

[silver oriole]

Finally set up my virtual machine and tried it myself, now I'm feeling bash/batch scripts can not quite achieve what I expected

I wish even a 5 year old child can install it. As few steps as possible and dummy proof

I'll ponder about this some more but not now

[unkempt elm]

I keep getting scared of the dvd idle thing 10/10

Played lots of fine-tuned runs and didn't crash so far 👍

[unkempt elm]

Would it be possible to edit PampaJokers in this modpack to remove the sendDebugMessage("remove from deck") call from remove_from_deckref ? (around line 1743)

[hoary flower]

man the antimatter deck is buggy

[wild imp]

I mean dimserene would have to host it himself instead of using a submodule. I guess in this case it doesn't matter much because it isn't being actively updated

[silver oriole]

Your modpack seems to be very outdated

[silver oriole]

That's not a big deal

[wise sparrow]

Now that most of the jokers have support for jokerdisplay it doesn't as useless anymore lol

[wild imp]

Yeah I didn't really think it'd be

Also I forgot you could just make a fork and use that as a submidule

And then I could use that one too

[silver oriole]

I mean you really did all in didn't you

[silver oriole]

Do I just delete this line?

[silver oriole]

Any ideas?

[tidal perch]

What are these questions for?

[wild imp]

Presumably for what pack it goes in, or if it gets included at all

Though 0.98 mofs are functionally just as good as 1.0 mods as long as they work

[silver oriole]

I am trying to come up with a better categorizing strategy between Fine-tuned and Full packs

[wild imp]

Makes sense. I'd just probably do away with the loader version as it's irrelevant as long as a 0.98 mod works properly on 1.0, which many do

[silver oriole]

It's one of the aspect to consider

[wild imp]

I'm not sure how so ngl

[silver oriole]

One sec

[tidal perch]

Which mode are you on the fence about?

[dense wharf]

I think the only thing that matters for separating extreme/full pack from finetuned is stability and balance imo

If anything more mods can be moved to extreme due to how balanced/unbalanced they are

[flat yoke]

I'd say the vanilla-ness is something that is also a priority, since you might not want a complete game overhaul even if it is properly balanced, though, it should be fine to include them since you can easily disable a few mods from the mods menu.

But, I'd agree, the rest of the ideas, won't say they don't matter, but they have a much lower priority/value, in my opinion.

Personally, just as an example, if I did a point system, I'd probably have 6 at 1-5, loader version kind of falls into updates/stability. So, it'd be
Unstability and Crazyness get a 5X multiplier for their importance,
Vanilla-ness gets a 3X,
The other categories are just 1X, or maybe 2X.
Mods that reach a certain value make it to the fine-tuned, below that value get in the full pack, and there's a minimum value that means it's excluded from the packs entirely.

[wild imp]

Again, even if a 0.95 mod manages to work fine on 1.0, I don't see any issues that aren't cinched by unstability and updates

[silver oriole]

The reason I still include it is that the older the version it uses, the likelihood of it fails is higher

[tidal perch]

by this table shouldn't Cruel Blinds be in Fine-tuned

[silver oriole]

"Unbalanced"

[tidal perch]

that alone is enough?

[silver oriole]

Well I didn't calculate the points yet

Maybe I should bump craziness to 100 /j

[flat yoke]

I could see craziness being 6 or 7 and stability bumped up to 4 as well, but, it seems pretty robust at a glance.

[dense wharf]

Changing the weight isn’t going to do much

It’s gonna inevitably end up revolving around how balanced it is if you do that

[wild imp]

shrugs just seems redundant I guess. And ngl the older mods that / do/ still work often seem to do so now stablely and consistently then many brand new mods still getting updated

[flat yoke]

I'd say that's the intention, fine-tuned is trying to add content that keeps balance, where all mods are viable, and you're not going to always drop jokers for better jokers from a few specific mods, right?

[dense wharf]

But that’s how things already are

And my opinion is that it’s it’s not harsh enough

Like take some if the jokers from a mod in fine-tuned and compare them to vanilla jokers
9/10 times they are way stronger which doesn’t make sense for a vanilla experience

[flat yoke]

Isn't that why balance is now being considered?

[dense wharf]

It already was though

¯_(ツ)_/¯

That’s why cruel blinds and cryptid are in extreme

[silver oriole]

They are too extreme for average players true, but other than these edge cases, how do we judge the others

[dense wharf]

I think just compare them to vanilla jokers

Makes sense to me I think

[silver oriole]

Also is a weighted score sheet the way to go?

[dense wharf]

I don’t see why not

Might need more tweaking though

[silver oriole]

I don't know, but I was trying to do this approach

[flat yoke]

I guess the issue is from the joker packs that are too powerful to be considered as balanced, but, still completely overshadowed by Cryptid. I don't know how reasonable it'd be to make Cryptid and whatever mods are intentionally completely overpowered into an add-on pack to resolve that issue, or something like that.

[dense wharf]

Yeah that’s definitely the biggest issue

[silver oriole]

I mean, how much powerful is TOO powerful

How do one deem a mod vanilla like or not?

[dense wharf]

I’m not quite sure 😔
More likely then not balance will have to be on a case by case basis for weighing but aside from that the weighted score sheet works for me

[brittle spade]

I think it comes from balance and design

Both of which Cryptid, for the most part, does not have compared with vanilla (although I think you could make a case for maybe Code Cards)

[dense wharf]

I could work on a balanced cryptid if people are interested in it

[wild imp]

Idk how common it is for people to avoid joker/content packs besides cryptid for balance reasons

Besides blinds being too hard that is

[brittle spade]

I mean I think it makes more sense for packs

[dense wharf]

I know a few that would

[flat yoke]

I definitely do myself, but I don't know how common it is for most people.

[dense wharf]

This exactly

[brittle spade]

Like you have to ask yourself if you want a game experience that feels normal to play or one that just goes all-out crazy

[wild imp]

Besides myst's both (math blinds and cruel blinds) of the other major blind packs are either intentionally or unintentionally too hard to want in a standard experience

[tidal perch]

so large amount of balanced content?

[dense wharf]

Would probably be rebalancing current cryptid content

[wild imp]

I would ngl. I've mentioned it a couple times but folk tend to find the idea silly

[brittle spade]

Balanced mode toggle

[tidal perch]

i'd like it

[silver oriole]

Pog actually

[dense wharf]

Lol that’s a bit silly

Since people are interested I’ll probably start tommorow

[flat yoke]

I'd be up to putting some effort into programming some balancing for Cryptid myself, but, probably wouldn't if I'm the only one working on it.

[dense wharf]

Or monday

[brittle spade]

This feels like a good way to keep things happy for both parties, as it can straight-up remove jokers too if they’re too imbalanced

Like for example Canvas is OP and I think ppl might be sad seeing it nerfed in a balanced version, so it may make more sense to remove

Because it’s so iconic

[dense wharf]

I was thinking just have a separate version

[tidal perch]

isn't this a cryptid discussion not a modpack discussion

[dense wharf]

Yeah lmao

[brittle spade]

True, it should probably be moved there now

Since it spun off a discussion about making a more balanced modpack

[silver oriole]

I don't know what the folks there would think tho

[dense wharf]

Speaking of a more balanced modpack move TWEWY to extreme

[silver oriole]

Average craziness enjoyers

[brittle spade]

True

[silver oriole]

What?

Is twewy unbalanced?

[dense wharf]

dw lol
I’m only partially joking

[dense wharf]

Imo it’s very close but just not quite there

But I think it staying in fine tuned is ok for now

But that’s only my opinion

Don’t stress about this too much, changes for something this big can happen slowly

[silver oriole]

Like, beyond cryptid, this vagueness is very hindering any managing and categorizing attempts

[dense wharf]

Yeah that’s fair

I think we need more opinions first

See what other people think

[tidal perch]

about which mods

ike specifically

[flat yoke]

I think, if Cryptid gets separated, TWEWY immediately gets moved to extreme. All the hand size buffs and stuff like that hearts card that upgrades ranks are very powerful.

[cedar cosmos]

TWEWY is vanilla-like but the balance is quite off

I still enjoy it as a vanilla-esque mod though

[silver oriole]

Yeah, thinking about it more, maybe we can gather opinions like these and do some polls to decide

[flat yoke]

Yeah, I love TWEWY, feels great to play with, but I drop it often, because otherwise, it's just better jokers that I should be taking over whatever I already have.

Betma's vouchers also goes into extreme, though, I could see a toggled verion with a lot of the overpowered vouchers being off still being in fine-tuned.

[wild imp]

As a was getting before, I think the other content packs, when if a bit unbalanced are nothing compared to cryptid. There are a lot more people who avoid just cryptid than who'd want cryptid just to Shai be able to play whichever more human level "imbalanced" mods they do like

Idk I guess there's a different between normal 'unbalanced' which is the norm for major content mods (even those who try to be vanilla) and something well... cryptozoological

[cedar cosmos]

make a poll for every modded card ever added /j

[wild imp]

Ngl most vanilla jokers below uncommon are absolute unusable dogshit and the major balance 'issue' with mods is they don't make dogshit jokers and their commons are more like uncommons in base game

The base game is also balanced to make beating ante 8 somewhat challenging, while with how I play nodded that's just the beginning of any decent run

Basically base game balance is a fool's errand to me, especially because just having a lot of jokers to choose from is enough to make the game significantly "easier" even if those jokers themselves are overall base game level

[flat yoke]

I don't think base game is a perfect metric by any means, but I think it works as a good enough one. If a mod by itself makes beating Ante 8 on a high stake much more consistent, it probably should go into the Extreme pack.

[silver oriole]

I mean, if we are judging with base game, most mods are made better then the game

[wild imp]

So... pretty much every pack that adds more than 20 jokers

[wild imp]

Agree

[silver oriole]

Or else why do ppl want the mod in the first place ?

[wild imp]

Ngl I don't have a horse in this specific race having my own curated pack to my own interests. So sorry if I'm injecting too much irrelevant opinion

[flat yoke]

Different perspectives on the same issues are very valuable.

[silver oriole]

Yeah, why do you think it's not relevant

[wild imp]

Just because I don't use or plan to use your packs I guess

My own pack shares my own taste rather than trying to cater to other people's

[silver oriole]

You can still share your thinking, don't worry

If you want

[wild imp]

Fair. Though regardless it's probably better to hear from people who play with or want to play with your fine-tuned pack themselves. As it's their opinions that really make a difference. I can unit presume what they may think

[silver oriole]

unfortunately there are far less ppl using ft than full

Maybe I should instead ask ppl what will make you wish to play (or at least try) on Fine-tuned

[twilit ravine]

where are the download link for the mod packs?

[silver oriole]

It's pinned

@wild imp another thing, apparently it is not possible for linux end users to directly run .sh files other than using commands?

In user interface, one will still need to configure the file before they can run the file by double clicking

[wild imp]

I mean you just need to right click and set it to be able to run as an executable. Then I /think/ you can double click to run, but I always just do ./[file name] in the terminal

Anyone who dailies Linux should know that, but for the steam deck users, you can just put something in the Readme, presuming it works the same

There's no real way around that, you even have to do it for actual portable Linux executables iirc

[wild imp]

.

[silver oriole]

Good to know👍

[unkempt elm]

Yes

[silver oriole]

Ok, I've revised the code.