#Pupil (Common)

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boreal adder
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Playing 8 unique hand types will transform this Joker into a random Rare Joker.

Edited: Was 9.

cedar helm
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Another way to gamble and it affects how I would play? Sounds fun

shadow linden
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nah

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i could skip for a rare tag and negate the existance of this card

boreal adder
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and tarot jokers mean nothing because you can skip for a mega arcana

shadow linden
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i would rather skip a shop than waste my time on playing every hand in the game

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you gain more money with econ jokers

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you can get more tarots from the shop

bitter marsh
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9 hand types is way too much

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7 and making this uncommon feels better

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Or maybe 6

boreal adder
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that defeats the point

stone finch
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Id say balance is more important but its up to you

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Just imagine playing every single hand type just to get fucking hit the road

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7 is much more fair because strush and 4oak are kinda hard to come accross

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The secret hands do exist

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But you need deck manipulation for that

boreal adder
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I could understand it at 8 but not at 6

elder tree
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at 8 this is just not even remotely worth it

wet creek
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I'm gonna say something controversial.

Uncommon jokers are better than rares.

You want people to struggle getting strflush and 4oak with a dead joker slot and waste an entire ante at least (9 different played hands means AT LEAST 9 played hands) to then get something that they might not even use?

stone finch
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Yeah often times a random rare will help less than a random uncommon

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As uncommons usually have easier conditions

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Finding a good rare to suit your run is cool but doesnt happen much

wet creek
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Uncommons offer huge commodities to score. Rares are "dance monkey dance if you want xMult".

candid elk
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Yes rares all are buildaround jokers

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Doesnt mean theyre bad or good, but you need to make effort to actually take advantage of them

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(Blueprints are exceptions)

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So basically do you want to make 8 hands for a gamble? Even wraith is not that great and thats instant

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With this at minimum you need what, like 2 antes?

hard condor
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If this was retroactive it would be situationally ok
In the early game you're more likely to play random hands when your build doesn't have direction yet

boreal adder
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it is not difficult to make a variety of hands, the most difficult one is straight flush which you've noticed is no longer required

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it's a very basic investment joker. you take it early game, play a few extra hands, and get a rare in exchange

shadow linden
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I would rather skip a shop than play 8 subpar hands

wet creek
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What I'm saying is that the requirement is absolutely not worth the reward. I'd rather hold on to a bag of popcorn than this.

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Think of how many hands I'm going to waste - and keep in mind, each hand wasted is less money you get.

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Absolutely best case you play 1 hand per round somehow anyway? Then I'm stuck 3 antes with this?

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The money I'm wasting, I'm buying a rare.

boreal adder
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I'm fascinated by this hypothetical balatro you guys seem to be playing where you get perfect RNG and always have the option to win each round in 1 hand

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is this like an option you can toggle on in a menu somewhere or

wet creek
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No that's the absolute "least money waste" scenario I can think of

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Because the most realistic is that I'm wasting hands keeping a joker slot busy that does nothing

boreal adder
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green joker, ride the bus, and vagabond are all powerful jokers that encourage you to waste hands

wet creek
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Yes because they actually grant you a reward you want. You get +mult per hand.

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Here your reward is a joker that's most likely not going to fit.

boreal adder
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do I want +8 mult or a random rare

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a difficult question

wet creek
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I want +8 mult if it's keeping me alive

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Getting The Tribe or The Family when my deck absolutely doesn't do that is not gonna keep me alive.

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Or Driver's License. Or Hit The Road. Or DNA.

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I see your idea of having as lootbox-like joker that turns to something else, maybe you can lower its requirement but make it tighter at the same time.

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"Play 5-6 consecutive different hands to turn this joker into a uncommon/rare"

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If you are forced to replay a same hand you played recently, then it resets and you have to replay 5-6 again.

boreal adder
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that sounds actively more annoying to activate

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and that doesn't fix your problem of "what if it's a joker I don't want"

bitter marsh
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I feel like this would work better with something like 4-5 hands and turning into an uncommon

umbral garnet
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seems like if you do all of the normal hands (not ones you need to unlock) it would be nice, but making it like an invisible joker I think would be nice too

boreal adder
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What about this

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Pupil | Common

-Sell this Joker to create a random [Common/Uncommon/Rare] Joker.
-Rarity increases every 3 unique hand types played.

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so 1-3 is common, 4-6 is uncommon, 7+ is rare

wet creek
boreal adder
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fair enough, although the flavor is pretty different