1.0.1e performance

[deep bridge]

🧵

[tidal flame]

1.0.1e has been a bit funky when browsing the shop and playing cards, get a few weird stutters that werent present in previous versions (i5-13600k, rtx 3070ti, 32gb ram)

[regal vector]

I'm not really seeing any changes in terms of GPU utilization. Turning on V-Sync does still help but I'm still seeing the bad utilization for things like borderless and CRT bloom.

[deep bridge]

I just updated it a few mins ago with a big performance patch

[tidal flame]

my goat

[deep bridge]

Did you try that?

[tidal flame]

not yet

[deep bridge]

Just checking - did you verify file integrity to download the patch?

[regal vector]

Yeppers

I watched it download the update. What sorts of changes should I be looking for?

[deep bridge]

Honestly I didn't change anything regarding those things, more changes that will fix stuttering as you do actions in the game and on steam deck

[tidal flame]

silky smooth so far

[deep bridge]

Although I was curious if the changes also fixed that

[regal vector]

Nope

[tidal flame]

localgoat

[regal vector]

To confirm, is V-sync enabled by default?

For a new installation?

[deep bridge]

v sync is on by default

[regal vector]

Cool. So I must have been messing with things a while ago

Seems fine then.

I'm still curious why borderless forces the game to render at 3620 x 2036 even though my monitor is at 2560 x 1440. I'm using 100% scale and layout in Windows.

The arrows are disabled alongside that resolution when in borderless

[deep bridge]

Those numbers are generated by the game, the game doesn't actually know what your monitor resolution is because SDL and Windows dont communicate very well

It's kind of complicated but if you are in borderless it does render at the correct resolution even if it says otherwise

[regal vector]

Ok. Cool

Have a good one!

[deep bridge]

You too thanks for testing!

[tidal flame]

what was causing the stutters, just out of curiosity

[hallow plaza]

the new update is weird

[tidal flame]

🤯

[hallow plaza]

this is what i get when i load the game

[deep bridge]

Does it stay like that?

[hallow plaza]

yes

[deep bridge]

What is your screen setting?

like is it borderless?

[hallow plaza]

windowed

[deep bridge]

does it change if you drag a corner?

[hallow plaza]

and of graphics i have crt off and shadows on if it helps with anything

no, still the same, i'll restart and see if it does anything

[raw vessel]

I don't have the stutters anymore

[jaunty jasper]

FWIW I just tried launching this new patch in windowed and it's working fine for me

[raw vessel]

game runs smoothly now

[copper brook]

appears smoother for me too, this was happening on the steam deck

[hallow plaza]

uhh, it looks good now

after restarting

[deep bridge]

??? so weird

I'll keep an eye on that one

[regal vector]

I used to get the screen stretched to 200% in the x-axis and odd discoloration. Restarting also resolved. I probably saw that 2 or 3 times out of launching many more than that...

Like I could only see the left half of the screen and it was stretched to fill the whole thing

[deep bridge]

Love2D (the engine) updated to a new version of LuaJIT a couple versions ago. Turns out that new version was causing some hitching randomly. I reverted LuaJIT and rebuilt the engine

[hallow plaza]

everything looks fine after restarting, menus are woirking well and everything is very responsive, probably just a weird thing after loading the first time idk

[zenith saffron]

a negative image gui object variable? that IS a weird one lol

[wheat ether]

a what

[molten flame]

No more stutters! but We are having an odd visual bug. The cards seem to be missing the top 10th of the card. but aside from what looks like shrunken texture runs smooth as butter now.

[deep bridge]

can anyone else verify this?

[hallow plaza]

my cards look fine

[tidal flame]

same

[zenith saffron]

My cards are also fine. 1660Ti fully up to date and I have almost all distros being a dev myself

[raw vessel]

my cards look fine too

[molten flame]

Restarting the game now to see if the card effect persists. It was persisting between bets

[deep bridge]

Do you have any mods installed?

[molten flame]

Nope, I couldn't figure out how to

Just the beta opt in on steam.

Game has been restarted. Cards seem normal now. Just an odd bug .
Thank you for all your hard work and a fantastic game Mr. Thunk.

[zenith saffron]

by that did you add/remove an files during 'trying to figure it out' ? maybe a clean install if it persists?

Oh weird

nvm me 🙂

[regal vector]

Looks fine to me.

[deep bridge]

It looks like a bug I saw earlier during the demos - a video memory thing

[molten flame]

No I left the main files alone. I don't mess with program structures if I don't need to lol.

[deep bridge]

if you look closely at that screenshot you can see they aren't just empty pixels

[zenith saffron]

yeah almost transparent.

[deep bridge]

Sounds like it has improved for everyone then? Or at the very least no change?

[molten flame]

Yeah it was still rendering like the full card shape. Just transparent, and the card texture not filling up the small bit vertically.

[zenith saffron]

yeah i didnt test play much, but i havent had any issues since initial launch, im just here out of curiousity and a hopefulness to help if possible

[agile hamlet]

it runs insanely better!! i can run maxed out setting now with basically no lag or stuttering whatsoever

[deep bridge]

Awesome!

[prisma canyon]

cool checking now

[deep bridge]

PC/Steam Deck only please 🙂

[jaunty jasper]

my bad

[deep bridge]

please please keep on topic

[light oracle]

Playing PC on the newest patch, seeing no issues

[fickle pulsar]

testing under high load game seems to be dropping less frames than previously.

game dropped from arround 400 fps to 140, and has stayed around there the entire time whilst calculating score

previously i believe the game would stutter more around this phase

[pastel steeple]

NEW PATCH!

oh its just a performance patch, carry on

[light oracle]

played full gold stake run, no issues

[bitter marlin]

Been playing on this for an hour, I have noticed no issues. I also had not seen any issues prior to downloading this latest performance update patch.

[eager sleet]

I play on steamdeck exclusively and will report performance after updating. prior it was a bit choppy occasionally.
thank you for the update!

[twilit magnet]

Previously when I played youtube and balatro at the same time, it kinda lagged. That's no longer the case, so that's a good thing

[void salmon]

im about to test my performance now. im not sure if i should now switch on vsync or keep it off

i really only switched it off cuz other games i played had better input reading at higher fps, so if it has barely any advantages/none, i might as well turn vsync back on

[turbid shadow]

I’m getting some stuttering on Mac that I don’t remember from before.

Updated today newest version.

The flames are smoother than before tho!

[woeful forum]

Did some runs on two different machines; everything seems great!

1. Win11, 7950X3D, 4070Ti, 64GB
2. Win11, i7-1255U, iGPU, 16GB

[void salmon]

I've been playing the game for about an hour or so and noticed zero audio errors as of now. Things seem ok for me now! Thank you

[jagged mountain]

It's fine on proton, but no noticeable change except some text clearer. Curious about seeded joker order, like recent BU vids, cards and consumables are the same as his, but uncommon/rare drops aren't (maybe his vids are pre-weekend patch)

[mighty zealot]

Tried a run on this version (wanted to do a no-looking erratic run) and it went great

hit the $20 lol

[deep bridge]

Notice any performance differences?

[mighty zealot]

not really, but it was running smoothly before

didn't notice any lag throughout the whole run

ended up getting the 9s and Jacks synergies this run (after vs deck at start of run)

[deep bridge]

This is for performance only!

[mighty zealot]

alr

I also tried fumbling with a bunch of in-game video and graphics settings earlier just to see if I could break things a bit, but didn't notice anything off when messing with things like fullscreen resolution

[scarlet frigate]

my game seems to run worse?

i played it earlier today and it was fine but after this update it seems like the uh frame rate has gone down

[deep bridge]

What platform are you on?

And can you share any system specs?

[scarlet frigate]

steam? i restarted steam to update it to see if that changes anything

and i'll close out of everything else to and see if it's still acting that way

seems to be running fine now
just... odd cuz normally i have like a youtube video going on minimized anyway and it would run fine but idk

[warm cave]

same, the game has run completely fine until now. i have no idea if it's an issue on my end or what

[zenith saffron]

sounds like a pc thing, not game performance

[deep bridge]

Do you also have an AMD graphics card?

[deep bridge]

No - I don't think so

[warm cave]

hang on let me look for what kind of graphics card i have

im not much of a computer person haha

[deep bridge]

And can you verify file integrity on the game itself just to make 100% sure it's the most recent update?

[zenith saffron]

love and lua is so lightweight, its so hard for it to not really well? this is the trouble with some solo game dev stuff; trying to fix 0.25% hardware issues while 99.75% run well and good and just waiting for the extra content; likely exacerbated by drivers/age/R|W speeds; theres just so much to consider

although i do admire your affinity for perfection thunk.

[deep bridge]

I doubt this is a 0.25% hardware issue - I don't want to be too quick to dismiss negative performance feedback because if I push it live to a million people and it's a 10% hardware issue, that's a big deal

[warm cave]

my graphics card is a nvidia geforce gtx 1060. i just verified the update files. i'll play for a while and let you know if i keep getting poor performance

[deep bridge]

Thank you!

Just triple checking you both are on 1.0.1e right

[zenith saffron]

i fully understand that, and i wouldn't pressure to push live too early: my percentages were hyperbole ofc but just to say that its a rough rabbit hole; but like i said i still admire your desire for quality opposed to quantity; especially when it comes to the smaller guys; like people with motion sickness on a low-end pc or something: its awesome that you're thinking about everyone equally.

[warm cave]

yes, and i think what's causing my game to chug is the card movement animations?

i turned on reduced motion and i dont seem to be having any issues now. but if i have normal animations on the game absolutely chugs

[deep bridge]

really, that's so odd

What about 1.0.0n?

If you go to the default branch does it do the same?

[warm cave]

let me try that one moment, i dont remember having this issue before the patch today

[warm cave]

game seems to be running perfeclty so far on 1.0.0n

[deep bridge]

very interesting

not to be mr. tech support but are your graphics card drivers up to date?

[warm cave]

haha that was one theory i had. i'm pretty sure they are but let me make 100% sure

[scarlet frigate]

ya i finished the jokerless challenge today and then when i closed out i saw that there was like an update available

[deep bridge]

OH one other thing you can try - for those having issues
#1233586567671709886 message

basically download the latest microsoft VC++ redistributable

[tawny zinc]

Currently not having any issues with an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Laptop GPU (primary) with a full AMD Ryzen 6000 Series. Never had an issues stability wise with balatro before and doesn't seem like anything is different on my end. So uhhh success for my I suppose?

[deep bridge]

The game will ship with it once this patch goes live but for now it's manual

[warm cave]

you might be onto something here because i recall having this issue with some other games in the past

[deep bridge]

Yeah some people said this fixed performance issues for them

And 1.0.0n relies on an older VC++ version

[scarlet frigate]

oh i see
maybe that's why then

[deep bridge]

Yeah you should try that too if you're having issues

[tiny zealot]

i7-8700k, 6800XT, 32gb ram, ssd

no issues on my end. the game uses about 9% less on my gpu than the last update

[warm cave]

ok my graphics card and c++ up to date. i think ive pinpointed that the game a) REALLY hates it when i'm alt-tabbed, and b) lags quite a lot upon startup until i shift-tab into the steam overlay???

i am playing borderless fullscreen

[deep bridge]

So does it work normally after you have shift tabbed?

[hallow plaza]

just reporting that I've been playing since I had this thing, after restarting everything was fine. played for 3+ hours and had no problems, performance feels good on my end

[warm cave]

it chugs for a bit then generally goes back to normal performance yeah

[deep bridge]

what the heck

[warm cave]

yeah idk, might be some weird interaction with other windows/programs? since i can imagine the steam overlay counts as "another window", idk im not a programmer

[deep bridge]

How long does it chug after?

[warm cave]

anywhere between a few seconds and 1-2 minutes

[deep bridge]

wow

do you notice it on windowed?

[warm cave]

and it is usually accompanied by the card animations going ballistic as if they are "snapping"

[warm cave]

yes

i just tried opening/closing a bunch of windows and the steam overlay like crazy and it is doing the same thing

[deep bridge]

So like if you open the game normally and just leave it to go to the main menu, performance is bad right

[mighty zealot]

Earlier I noticed card animations correlating with game lag when working on a mod. The root cause ended up being keeping a global variable that was very large and should’ve been a local variable. Not sure if that is what’s causing it here but hope that info may help

[warm cave]

ya it chugs but i suspect it's due to the steam overlay starting up

and that little popup in the bottom corner that comes with it

[deep bridge]

which one?

[mighty zealot]

But the effects of that appears to be similar to what’s going on here, random lag spikes that noticeably affect animations due to the extremely low FPS

[mighty zealot]

Ankh (the mod)

It was one I made that like stored the entire game exe as a string or something

[deep bridge]

Oh I see, not a global in the source

[mighty zealot]

No, it was an issue in my mod rather than something on your end

There were still some people noticing lag issues afterwards but that appeared to be the main cause

[deep bridge]

Thing is that I downgraded luaJIT to 2.0.5 to fix these performance issues so it's possible that the downgrade might have created some problems

but this issue sounds so odd, and Balatro was using LuaJIT 2.0.5 up until March (including all the demos)

And I can't ever remember seeing a problem like this in the past

[deep bridge]

When you have task manager open does Balatro take a whole bunch of CPU when it chugs like that?

Or is it some other process

[warm cave]

yes

[deep bridge]

Oh pinning the GPU?

what the heck

[mighty zealot]

It’s also weird that it happens on only some devices. With my mod it was happening for all the other people who tried it (small sample size though)

[deep bridge]

I have another odd request - try changing your monitor scaling to 100% for the monitor that runs Balatro before starting the game

I did make 1 major change in my code, I added a new Canvas to draw to at higher resolution so it can be anti aliased down to the normal screen size

for better rendering quality/text readability

[mighty zealot]

I’m sure localthunk has already asked this, but is vsync enabled?

[warm cave]

yes

[deep bridge]

And is bloom turned off?

what if it's not defaulting to your Nvidia GPU either, it says GPU0 is that your normal graphics card or some kind of iGPU?

[warm cave]

monitor scaling and bloom didn't really help for the issue im having, but turning bloom off did give me more frames when the game is working as intented

[warm cave]

honestly? i have no idea lol, let me look into that if i can

[deep bridge]

If you go to the performance tab it should tell you what GPU0 is referring to

I don't know if I've ever seen this game pin the GPU

so there is definitely something weird happening

[warm cave]

seems like thats just my graphics card. i have a gaming laptop so i think 90 degrees is normal?

i know they tend to run hotter

[deep bridge]

okay yeah that's the right one

[jade hazel]

70°C to 85°C is typical NVIDIA GPU temperature range (source: google)

[deep bridge]

If it runs 1.0.0n fine then it's something to do with the game, was just making sure nothing else was getting in the way

even if it's running hot, it's running hot because it's at 87% lol

[jade hazel]

yeah lmao

[twilit magnet]

this is pretty common for my pc as well, I suspect it's just a hardware thing, a lot of other games do the sane

[warm cave]

weird

[twilit magnet]

not weird, just gaming on a nongaming laptop lol

[warm cave]

well mine is a gaming laptop but i think its getting up there in age

it runs a lot of games and whatever art programs i use fine and it ran balatro perfectly until this update

[twilit magnet]

obligatory "have you tried updating your drivers"

[deep bridge]

we did all the troubleshooting steps already - you can review but I am pretty sure it's something to do with a change I made

No idea which one though

[twilit magnet]

When I updated my GameMaker version, my Windows export on the "better" compiler resulted in a black screen half of the time. Found exactly one thread with the same problem, no solution.

i have no solution to offer here. sometimes things just break :(

[elder stirrup]

playing on steam deck - haven't noticed any differences after about 4 hours on the new patch but I'm gonna try some builds tomorrow that have caused slight choppiness in the past. If I notice anything I'll report here, otherwise so far no noticable changes (good thing since perf is generally fantastic on the deck with default settings)

[visual spade]

I had most of the same framerate issues mentioned above earlier today but after this latest hotfix I havent had any of the issues again. Playing on steam deck via handheld and/or dock + TV and controller

[haughty zodiac]

I felt nothing about performance, didn't feel wrong in older versions, but FPS have increased

[scarlet frigate]

o nvm that's on me lol

err...

wait now something weird is happening

i don't even remember what i was doing, i guess this would be a pack?

i guess i closed out of the game while opening a spectral...

fwiw it seems to be running well again

will test it out more

wasn't able to use either but was still able to skip underneath the cards at least

ok sometimes it's running like, very smoothly, maybe better than i've ever seen in run before?
but it's still getting noticeably slower sometimes and i can see some frames like missing, which i figure is sub 30 at that point

should i have vsync turned off or on

ftr i have NOT yet done that thing you had said

so dwbi it too much, i was just messing around with these other options more to see what i could and couldn't notice

[glass helm]

what kind of performance issues are we talking about in general? I have never noticed balatro being anything less than smooth as butter

[deep bridge]

There was noticable hitching on some platforms, most notably steam deck

I think particularly OLED decks

[deep bridge]

VSYNC on

[pallid obsidian]

Pretty late but played a run with no hiccups so I think it's fine on my end now 👍

[glass helm]

no problems for me on pc, still smooth as butter like before

[atomic veldt]

On Switch version it becomes extremely slow as the antes go and/or when you have many jokers

Even with the game in 4x speed

[fresh sun]

Btw, Local, do you have a QA tester on your team? Because i was just thinking it might be easier to get to the crux of performance and other issues with a dedicated person, rather than relying on sifting through walls of messages and trying to get it that way

If you have, no worries, just curious

[green cipher]

Latest update after verifying files probably dropped 150-200fps for me, from the 400-500 range down to ~230

[jovial ibex]

windows scaling @ 175% lags the game 100% scaling fixes the issue

[green cipher]

already on 100%

[jade hazel]

it think it’s more ideal for the people that are having the issue try out the update and give feedback (crowdsourcing esque) rather than a limited amount of people in a QA team, as the QA team may not have devices that others have

QA testers are definitely helpful though

[deep bridge]

I have many QA folks, but this is the kind of thing that they aren’t able to do themselves. I need testing on like 1000 different devices to spot issues and why not leverage the community to do that so they can play the new patch sooner too? It’s a win win

[void salmon]

what specs would be most useful to bring up when we talk about if something is fixed/not working

[strange sierra]

I just want to say THANK YOU. Now i can play without any motion sickness, getting rid of the cards bouncing was perfect. Thanks again for that and also listening to the community,

[deep bridge]

Platform, operating system, hardware specs, CPU and GPU

More info the better

[thin spear]

I’m gonna try to play on my shitty-ass laptop when I get home so I can try to squeeze out some issues!

[little knot]

weird bug, not sure if it's relevant here but:
Skipped small blind for rare joker, played big blind, in shop i didn't want the joker but i had 5 jokers already, sold one of my jokers to buy the $0 rare and sell for $4.
after this i purchased the overstock voucher that was available and it did not update to 3 cards in the shop (every other time this would be the case)

[light oracle]

that's a thread dedicated to performance, any fps drops/lags/stutters etc

[jade hazel]

i don’t think this is a performance issue, use #1233586567671709886

[hallow plaza]

Regarding performance and something that has been happening today, maybe related to this from yesterday idk. My gpu is going absolutely insane with the beta. I have tried reverting to the live patch and everything seems normal there, launched other games and everything is fine, and then on the beta patch while on the main menu balatro it is using 95% of the gpu

I have no idea if this helps but here's what i get from live version

and this is what i get from beta

both idle on main menu

[warm cave]

yeah i was having this same issue

[deep bridge]

I’ll make one small change and push to see if it fixes the problem for both of you, I have a hunch

I’ll ping you when it’s live

[eager sleet]

Steamdeck stutters, but less. Most likely to happen most often with card procs (ei lucky). still not a consistent lag though

[deep bridge]

Do you have TDP set?

And would you be able to tell me what your graphics/video settings are in game

[ornate lance]

Beta was launching normally up to yesterday. Today after some short update it refuses to launch every time (regular game still launches normally). Verify integrity and reinstalling didn't fix the issue.

[deep bridge]

I just pushed an update live a minute ago, is that version still not launching?

[ornate lance]

Let me try, one moment

[deep bridge]

@warm cave @hallow plaza I have pushed that version live, if you verify files and try again let me know what the performance is like

[hallow plaza]

will check in a sec

thanks

[ornate lance]

Tried to verify integrity again, but the problem persists. Any suggestion? I'd like to continue playing on beta :t

[deep bridge]

Can you share info about your system?

Oh wait yes I have a suggestion

let me find the message

[ornate lance]

Im on windows 7

[deep bridge]

Basically it might fix it if you download the latest Microsoft VC++ redistributable and install it

Oh

[hallow plaza]

whatever you did has fixed it on my end, so much appreciated!

[deep bridge]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/windows/latest-supported-vc-redist?view=msvc-170

[deep bridge]

Woohoo!!

Is that running better than 1.0.0n?

[deep bridge]

Is your OS not 64 bit?

[hallow plaza]

i'll revert to live patch and see the difference, one second

[ornate lance]

Yes, it's 64 bit

[deep bridge]

Okay, my hunch is the vc++ redist might fix it, others were having a similar problem

but I have to run! I'll take a look later if not

[hallow plaza]

this is idle on live patch, so i'd say beta seems much better now

[deep bridge]

Amazing

[hallow plaza]

thank you for doing your wizard stuff, i can finally play again

[deep bridge]

Thanks for helping!

[pastel steeple]

Do we post the new patch findings here?

[deep bridge]

#1233586567671709886

This is performance only

[jovial blade]

im not having any performance issues per se, the game is super smooth and doesnt have any lag or stuttering whatsoever, but i figured i would post for posterity - i9 and 3060, balatro peaks at about 75% gpu and makes DWM chug too, doesn't happen with other fullscreen games afaik, gpu is pretty consistently maxed between the two

this is on latest patch after verifying integrity, vsync is on

[deep bridge]

Oooo that’s weird

So I can put it down to 6 watts on my steam deck and it runs at a smooth 90fps but then this stuff happens lol

[ornate lance]

Downloaded it, restarted pc, verified integrity. Problem persists on beta.

Every time i press "play", game tries to launch and then stops, without opening the game.

Let me know if you have some other suggestion or fix for it

[strong lotus]

oh, for what it's worth my performance has been completely fine!

[warm cave]

looks like its still using quite a bit of gpu (particularly when the window is not in focus? not sure) but as far as i can tell i haven't gotten the extreme lag i was having yesterday

so whatever you did seems to have helped quite a bit

ive been trying to replicate what was causing the massive spikes from last night and havent gotten anything

i can now go back to spreading the gospel of Straight (poker hand) in peace, thank you mr. thunk

[ebon saddle]

this update rocks, my computer isn't too great so i've noticed a subtantial improvement

always very much appreciate to see devs that still care about performance 🙏

HOLY SHIT, this update makes the game scale with nearest when high-dpi mode is set to system now, this is actually the best update ever

actually for some reason it's only scaled with nearest when i take a screenshot? then it just goes back to using linear. either way thats not performance related so whatever

it's still definitely sharper even if it's not to a pixel perfect degree, so something changed

[void salmon]

i hate to say it but i don't think my audio issue is 100% fixed. ive gotten a few audio stutters in like 3 hours of gameplay or so. I'm on windows 10, r7 3800x/rtx 3060 ti. its definitely improved, but i still notice it here and there. only a few times tho

[jagged mountain]

would it be possible to split the location of eternal and perishable/rental? like eternal top right where it usually stands out and others on the left?

something like this?

[ebon saddle]

eternal and perishable are incompatible so that wouldn't matter anyway unless functionality for the two acting together is implemented

[jagged mountain]

hasn't come up for me yet to try. just remember the bad old days 😉

maybe larger stickers are fine, I'll give it some time. plenty of times I've mistakenly taken a rental though

[knotty holly]

I was having stuttering issues on the previous experimental versions, but it seems to have ceased on the latest two experimental builds. Also, I love the new square joker.

[scarlet frigate]

oh what was the latest update?
also square joker seemed the same to me? 4 chips starting at 0?

my game was running fine again earlier but i guess i'll test it out again

[oak rune]

Does the progress and gameplay in experimental patches like this carry over when this all gets pushed public? Sorry if this is answered elsewhere.

[ornate ferry]

i have the same question

[green cipher]

My particular performance issue is fixed on the beta w/ latest update

[twilit magnet]

Just an FYI, latest update undid my "smooth pixel art" setting. Not sure what that's all about, but no real harm done

[timber horizon]

says it all

(if u dont know the context the 7 of hearts is equipped but i cant play or discard it)

this might happened cause at one point the game lagged

and when it lagged the card is stuck there

[glass sky]

I'm not 100% sure, but there's no separate progress stored so I don't see a way for it to not count

[ornate lance]

Beta still unplayable. Didn't have any issues before the last update.

[wheat ether]

the game saves stuff in 1 place afaik

[naive marsh]

101e runs smooth for me, had one visual bug where i exited to menu after rerolling the shop and when i returned to the game the text displaying the money was slightly smaller

[wet steeple]

We do be running

[hallow plaza]

Mr. thunk it did it again on live patch. Like before it only happened the first time I booted the game. I closed it, opened again and everything is back to normal now. Also everything else related to gpu usage is fine, about 5 to 10% while on main screen. Just wanted to let you know that this might happen to other people once they boot the game for the first time, but otherwise everything seems fine

[ornate lance]

Now even the base game is unplayable. Nice job.

[scarlet frigate]

mine's running fine
something was installed when i ran the game again tho
i think that is what you said would happen when that new change went live, but you also reverted i thought?

[late scroll]

Have the exact same issue on beta, now on main.
Additionally can add that when trying to run it from .exe in game directory pops out error message which approximately reads (translated):
Point of entrance in procedure CreateFile2 is not found in library DLL KERNEL32.DLL.
I'm on win7 x64;
vc++ redistributable 2015-2022 x64 updated/deleted/reinstalled, didn't work

[deep bridge]

I'm taking a look at these issues now

@late scroll @ornate lance I am unable to troubleshoot these issues directly because I don't have a windows 7 PC - but I think I have a better handle on the issue. I build the engine from scratch for this patch (with windows 11/newer build tools) and those build tools might have removed backwards compatability to windows 7. If you are willing to do a couple things to test I might have a solution

[late scroll]

sure

[deep bridge]

Okay, if you go to https://love2d.org/

download this one

(this is the engine the game uses)

in that folder there are a bunch of files. If you go to the installation folder for Balatro (where the EXE is) and replace the DLL files one by one then test to see if the game launches - let me know if any of the files swaps fix it

these are the DLL files I am referring to

[late scroll]

okay, give me a second

1st one immediately worked love.dll

should i try anything else?

[deep bridge]

damn - was hoping it'd be a different one

If that works for you for now great but I'll need to figure something out for win 7 folks

Thank you for that though - big help

[late scroll]

no problem, thank you for a great game and quick help ❤️

[deep bridge]

If I send over other versions of love.dll would you be willing to try them out?

[late scroll]

sure

[deep bridge]

Thank you!

[eager sleet]

I don’t mean to be a harbinger but Steamdeck is still having pretty consistent stutters. I’ve tried on 60 and 90 fps lock with no TDP limit

I think 90 was worse but that’s just from a few hours of gameplay.
I am having less stutters from the previous version but they’re still most prevalent when I activate card proc effects or end of round effects

[deep bridge]

I sent you a message yesterday - would you be able to provide more info?

Is your Steam Deck stock OS?

And do you have TDP set?

Oh I see in your message

[eager sleet]

OH apologies! I didn’t see

yes stock OS

[deep bridge]

no we are all good! Have you tried a different Proton version?

I have both an LCD and OLED deck I have been testing with so I am certain there must be some configuration thing happening

[eager sleet]

Question is your OLED running worse or better

[deep bridge]

It runs at smooth 90 fps

at 4 watt tdp

I played like 4 runs yesterday like that

What language are you using?

[eager sleet]

not yet but I totally can try one

[eager sleet]

English

[deep bridge]

Is this running from an SD card?

[eager sleet]

no I am on the internal storage OLED LE

have vsync on and pretty average game settings. I have the CRT off lol

[deep bridge]

Oh I wonder if there is a hardware difference with the LE

I'm going to assume not because I can't fix that if that's the case - do you have any other non-stock ANYTHING going on with it?

[eager sleet]

no it’s all stock

LE does have a different screen

I know some other LE users have reported issues but truthfully all I play is your game now (and some other low requirement games lol ) so I don’t think mine is having specific hardware issues

it might just be different and causing problems

I can try different proton if that would help at all :))

[deep bridge]

Yeah try 9.0

But I think there were general OLED issues before - those seem to have been fixed

but I haven't spoken to anyone else with OLED LE

[eager sleet]

err proton 9.0 beta won’t launch. Checked 8.0-5 after and it worked again. Checked proton experimental and it worked again.

I restarted and tried to launch 9.0 again and it still won’t work. this could be on my end but I am not sure the cause

turned off the force proton setting tool (which is what it’s on by default) again and it launched just fine too

[deep bridge]

shot in the dark - play with the master volume set to 0

see if that fixes it - because it'll stop all sounds from being read from file as you play

that SHOULDNT be the issue

but honestly at this point I don't know why your deck isn't working with this. Have other games been running fine?

[eager sleet]

will do!

[eager sleet]

yes! I will play for a bit and then let ya know if the volume change worked

[deep bridge]

I guess I should have asked - is your steamdeck OS up to date?

Any way to force an update?

@late scroll @ornate lance Try updating the game and running it now!

[late scroll]

runs just fine after the update

[deep bridge]

Excellent!

[eager sleet]

I’m gonna take the afternoon switching to 0 master volume and testing it, but I think it might be what’s causing the stuttering. now that you mention it, the audio always lags when the game would lag visually.

I haven’t had any issues after switching

[deep bridge]

Wow there is no way that worked

[eager sleet]

the woes of technology : D

[deep bridge]

That sounds like it could be an OS issue - your OS is fully up to date?

[eager sleet]

ye all updated

hmm I wonder if this is really a LE issue and I’m only getting problems with mine now

if the Steamdeck volume is on 0 balatro still processes the audio right? If master higher than 0 ?

[deep bridge]

yes

when master is set to 0 Balatro doesn't even try playing the files

[mighty zealot]

OS issues are sometimes really mysterious
Like my laptop had input lag and it took me so long to found out it was caused by like a driver setting and the manufacturer’s Windows service

[eager sleet]

Okay gotcha. I feel like I’m taking sugar pills but this actually might have fixed it.

I usually have master volume on 100 and the steamdeck volume itself off (I play in public places and can’t use headphones)

but when at home I play with volume on

and both times I had getting lag

no instances of lag in an hour since updating and playing at 0 master volume. I will let yall know if I run into an issue while the volume is off

[deep bridge]

The way to test is to reproduce the lag with volume on, then turn the volume off mid run and see if that fixes it

[celest imp]

Just got gifted Balatro on PC the other day, and finally booted it up, but only got a blackscreen! The main screen audio is playing, but nothing is on the screen beyond the remnants of the Shift-Tab notification that Steam gives.

I've checked the files, uninstalled and reinstalled, and rebooted my computer (which should be able to run the game with ease!) with no luck. It's almost like the Steam client/game engine is frozen, because Shift-Tabbing brings up the Steam Layout, but it cannot be closed again. I tried a different Steam game, and that game works, so it may just be Balatro. Unsure if this is related to the experimental patch or not, though.

[deep bridge]

I sent you a message in your bug report!

[eager sleet]

I confirmed that’s it’s the audio that’s causing the lag by doing this. would that be a hard/software issue on my end ? sorry if I caused a hassle for something that’s a defect on my device

[deep bridge]

It's really hard for me to tell, but this is not an issue I have ever seen before. I also don't know how it would be a hardware issue unless you had a problem with your read speeds on your SSD

The 'play sound' functionality is all in a separate thread and that shouldn't impact the performance of the main game on a system like the steam deck

Which is why I was wondering if your OS is up to date because it might be dispatching to other cores incorrectly

Both of those are testable - if you have a microSD card try installing the game on that instead and running it from there, should run fine like that.

And for the OS - you can probably opt in to an experimental version of steam OS to force an update

otherwise I'd look into diagnostic tools for Steam Deck and see if any other hardware is busted

[eager sleet]

gotcha! yeah I’m gonna diagnose it to see if it can find any issues, I hadn’t done that yet. thank you for your help!

[deep bridge]

No worries I hope it's a simple fix!

[atomic veldt]

Hi local! Does the Switch version take more time to be updated or the new version is already there?

[pine canyon]

local i think mail in rebate might be a bit too good as a common econ joker it might need to be nerfed to 4$ per card or switched to uncommon from my experience its way too good in comparison to other common econ jokers

[strange sierra]

About this comment i made and the reduced motion config. I got to play more hours than before but still i have bad motion sickess. I spent some time trying to wrap my head around of what it could be and i think i got to a point. The thing is, even tho the cards are still (which helped a lot), having a lot of movement going on (like cards going up, down, the effetcs of packs and jokers, the numbers appearing at the bottom, top, left. the sign of the shop animation) still gives me bad motion sickess. Even tho the game would be more "dull" maybe, i don't care because i still want to play without feeling like vomiting after. It's really frustrating since i thought it solved. Will this have some kind of solution or should i accept the way the reduced motion is? Maybe another config for even more reduced motion, or turning off some effects or something

Also, maybe instead of the effects and points of cards happening close to each card, make them on a straight line (?) I'm not sure, but a solution would be making the eyes not go around so much, and also not have movements and animations going on the peripheral vision. Even the slight of these things take effect, as i could notice 🥲

[snow rune]

maybe it would help if there was a toggle where it removes almost all the moving game effects. Though maybe not as cool, maybe that's the price to pay

[strange sierra]

I agree! Getting rid of any and i mean ANY movement/effect would be perfect for this scenario

[ebon saddle]

i think the ideal solution would be 3-4 "levels" of movement to let people find a balance between aesthetics and what they can tolerate without getting sick
but that would probably be hard to code

[atomic veldt]

I don't think it'd be that hard. Just slowing down the movement speed

[snow rune]

@ebon saddle time for another public beta

[regal vector]

Time to lock this thread?