#HA5ZQ3FW - Perkeo first arcana with an early ankh and blueprints galore
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I got triboulet firsrt arcana pack? Are you on experimental?
just a few blueprints
I'm mid run haha
@jade quiver Bro where the fuck do you get so many imolate cards. I dont have 3 nor 4 ones at round 9. I played this so many times I cant be this stupid no?
through perkeo
read over it carefully
if you're copying perkeo with bp, you should get quite a few
Hmmm. Will try it soon again.
I agree smth id wrong with imolate
is wrong*
max 2 on round 8
sooo funny to play and it could still be improved, hit xxxxe106
What the fuck?!
I reached something with e35 how did you do that XD?!
a lot of crypt id xD
at a certain point i had the opportunity to change a king to foil king, then i did a single hand with 92 kings ahaha
This seed is cracked
4 Blueprints, 2 Mimes, 1 Brainstorm, 1 Baron, 1 Perkeo was my end jokers
yeah loving this one, just hit e20 on big blind of ante 8
this seed looks cracked. Gonna go through and track stuff, including eternals, because I think shenanigans may be possible
How what the fuck :D
I had a handsize of 4 at that point because of all the Ectoplasms
My end strat was copy Cryptid 5 times every hand and then get 10 more steel KoH and then change the blueprints and brainstorm to the baron instead.
Yeah fair :D
I just did it. He isnt wrong lmao. Maybe I am stupid.
I found a different route than the other guy for Black Stake, here's what I've got. I expect to be able to shift into Mime/Baron later on because you just have a ton of BP/BS copying rather than Mime/Barons themselves. Probably need to find a way to get Red Seal/Steel Kings tho.
i can almost see the money
Gonna try it out soon. I am excited :D
ante 7: shop 1right arcana pack has WoF. use it for polychrome joker. reroll once?
skip negative to get neg troubadour in ante 7,shop 2
use reroll to avoid hearts debuff
You are kidding right? There is a Troubadour?!
yep!
i mean in ante 7 shop 2
i kept being stupid and missing "all hearts debuffed" on ante 8
👍
There’s some stuff I missed in my initial routing, I’ll be trying to route it more accurately to ante 8 today
Also, why did you use WoF for poly instead of hex?
We sell hex for money that we need on black stake. Black stake is useful for eternals
I guess
I didn't really look at black stake because I figured you wouldn't be able to leverage it much.
But I'm pretty noob tbh lol
Gotcha, eternals are mostly used later on to make tons of copies of something using Ecto and Ankh with no care for surviving the next round.
Something like Stencil or Photo Chad NaneInf use them.
Ah
It’s not as useful for classic Perkeo copies Cryptid setups
Also, is the copying from perkeo deterministic?
I only routed the seed once, so didn't verify it was all the way through
Yeah it’s always the same, but I think it’s dependent on number of consumables and consumable positions.
I’ll test it in a bit.
Wait, based on the positions?
Ah, that would have done it
I did some shuffling for my ocpd
I think it takes it as “object number 2” rather than “object x”
Ah, that makes sense
That would mean you can manipulate it
I don't think this seed is overly cracked, considering baron doesn't come til very late and there's very few good negatives
It’s not the best seed but from what I’ve seen there’s potential for Photo Chad NaneInf, which is something I’ve been searching for.
What's required for that?
eternal chad, eternal photo, optionally eternal BP/BS, and a lot of ecto/ankh
so perkeo too
Ik there's an eternal Chad in ante 2 shop
I found one later on that's more reasonable, the early one would be bad for invis to copy
and Ecto shows up in ante 3 after the tons of rerolls
There is? How deep did you check?
Also, congrats on sticker no.7, I noticed you updated your nick
36 Rerolls with Overstock
Damn
you have the money from temperance to check that far
Yeah
Are you checking manually?
yeah I was
hard resets
really just went through inoptimally for as much econ as possible (so no copying cryptid/ecto/ankh, just temperance) and rerolled a ton each ante
Overstock+ isn't a thing until like Ante 6 IIRC, just Overstock
also the -Ancient early on helps with survival during the econ "reroll as much as you can" runs
sadly it eats all the invisible jokers but it's still really good
wait. Did you just get another gold sticker?
yeah
Showman is a pain to get ngl
I'll have to do another one without him but
At least to get it neg
I don't think it's worth the slot otherwise
Wait
I'm dumb
Ecto obv
ante 4, 6 rerolls (with overstock) in there's a judgement that has Showman
or you could carry a judgement from a previous ante into ante 4 maybe
but it doesn't seem worth it when it's only 6 rerolls away
Oh is the tarot RNG also ante based like the rerolls?
especially since A4 is where you get Reroll Voucher
yeah, all the stuff is ante based
Tarots, Packs, Shops
and you move forward the cycle just by taking stuff, skipping a pack (as in not buying) obviously keeps it on current cycle
probably not
Ig not, too many requirements for it to be guaranteed
and a hell of a lot of seeds
I wonder if we could train ai to analyze seeds, then set it off on all of them to find the best one.
searching them all with a simple filter already takes long enough anyway though
update on this, it's more likely based on the order you obtain them actually
Oh? Maybe taking a look at yk what would help
I'm on the clock atm, but I can look around later
There are two invis jokers on ante 17 and a poly baron aswell i think, it was preety deep (more than 150). Just got naneinf aswell used all of my cryptids apparantely only needed 70 i used 140
On what card?
Red poly steel king?
How do you beat round 6? I followed the directions and I got this
Who’s instructions?
red foil steel king, just played high card
Discard the lowest 5 cards, then play A-5 straight and pair of jacks to win.
That's according to my guide
Ah ic
wait lemme try again
Ante 5 you can double skip and get a soul card from spectral pack don’t know if double skip is necessary since it comes from the first of the two packs
It gave me chicot, but I’m also on a previous version so idk what it would give someone else
Previous versions seeds are different IIRC
Like completely different
Not completely different
I might be wrong
I’m still able to follow guides, just I get different rng stuff
Like soul, gave trib instead of perkeo
But I still got ankh from the right pack n shit yk
Ante 12 there’s an arcana pack that gives another soul, didn’t grab but knowledge
How would I do save states btw? I’d like to be able to clear out as much shop info as possible as quickly as possible later.
So I rerolled a bit past the Ante 3 Ecto and found ANOTHER INVISIBLE JOKER
so yeah, +3 Rerolls that ante
it copies BP
found another Ectoplasm to work with
ima take a break for a bit after manually searching the shop, here's ante 6 shop for like 80 rerolls
I just stacked cryptids to get it
I can't beat round 6 with A-5 straight and pair of jacks. Need 600 points, but it's only 585 points.
play a ten
I picked up Steel Joker in this run. Needless to say it works pretty nicely when your deck is like 200 Steel Kings lol
Take the save file and copy it to another folder, this is the save state. Do this any time you want a save. Then, copy whatever save you want to your save folder, then exit to main menu and use the continue function.
As solace said, just play a high card. If the guide doesn't give enough point, use your brain to make up for the rest of the points. I mean that in the nicest way possible
You're limited by handsize then. Max handsize isnt very high so you really don't need more than 20-30 copies of one card if that's all your deck is comprised of.
You could also copy Cryptid and get a crap ton of steel kings at once (for one blind)
Yes. But that's irrespective of decksize.
I found eternal photograph in ante 4 after 70ish rerolls
nice
I think so from what I've seen, I'm pulling up my updated route
Ante 6
what round?
since petroglyph and whatnot exist
the earliest theoretical Photo Chad Naneinf is like Ante 3 Big Blind (including heiro/petro)
are any other methods faster?
cryptid stuff might be able to reach Ante 1 naneinf I think including Heiro/Petro, it just takes absurd rng
ik theres also an eternal photo in ante 2
like a bunch of bp and bs
and chad is in ante 2 after a handful of rerolls too
as is ecto
and ankh
so... maybe could get it all in ante 2?
photo is deepest
everything else is along the way
getting Jokers ante 2 is too early
well, its technically ante 3 when you consider hiero
rng doesn't care about that, rng cares about the number shown as the ante
or psuedorng
no I know
I mean in terms of timing
like, how long you have to copy enough temps for the necessary funds to reroll that much in ante 2
the earliest we can get Jokers is like ante 4 I think
why's that?
I guess
the downside to not having bps is for copying perkeo for more ankhs
poly? well that'll be tricky
tbh it kinda sucks that the Ancient Joker is negative
aura or standard pack
whys that
if it wasn't negative we could use Photo+Chad in its place earlier
it's just that we can't sell it and free up space for them cuz of negative
wait
if you sell the negative, its the same as selling any other joker. it frees up space
wait
nvm
why dont you just sell it though so ankh doesnt proc on it?
also, I just remembered theres a poly queen in ante 4 standard pack
thats the earliest poly face card i know of
not counting any auras
idk what aura procs to
theres an aura deep in ante 3, but thats the only one I know of before ante 4
the ante 4 one works
did you check all the wraiths in shop for bp/brainstorm?
no
the standard pack?
yeah
its probably not likely enough to be worth checking
theres an eternal photo in ante 4 as I mentioned
and theres that poly
and eternal chad in the buffoon pack on that ante
so maybe go for the setup on ante 4/5?
in that case we just need the Ankhs and Ectos
yeah, only need 2 ectos right?
41 and 41
ankh removes neg?
yeah
oh
so it's not something you can survive with
but it's still funny to get naneinf with commons
so... you'll need enough money for the rerolls in ante 4, but otherwise can copy ecto and ankh from ante 2 shop
yeah
and also to actually buy the stuff
thats all you need after ante 2
true
so... it'd be about $600 for the rerolls and purchases
how deep is the ante 2 ecto
56ish rerolls
80ish copies would take like 20 rounds of having 5 perkeos worth, not sure we can do it that early
maybe non-endless but not that early
ill check ante 0
try to check as deep as possible
also, is photo-chad the easiest naneinf method? in terms of whats required for the setup
absolutely not, it's easier to do Baron Mime, it's just that a common-only NaneInf would be a first
oh, well then its easy to accomplish, just not easy to do so quickly
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Interesting strategy
Afaik invis always copies bp
So I guess you didn't have no when you used invis