#HA5ZQ3FW - Perkeo first arcana with an early ankh and blueprints galore

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languid vapor
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Died early because I autopiloted on the mouth, but this can be any build you want

solemn quest
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I got triboulet firsrt arcana pack? Are you on experimental?

obtuse willow
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just a few blueprints

thorny scaffold
jade quiver
kindred onyx
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@jade quiver Bro where the fuck do you get so many imolate cards. I dont have 3 nor 4 ones at round 9. I played this so many times I cant be this stupid no?

jade quiver
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read over it carefully

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if you're copying perkeo with bp, you should get quite a few

kindred onyx
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Hmmm. Will try it soon again.

analog dagger
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is wrong*

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max 2 on round 8

onyx rapids
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sooo funny to play and it could still be improved, hit xxxxe106

kindred onyx
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I reached something with e35 how did you do that XD?!

onyx rapids
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a lot of crypt id xD

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at a certain point i had the opportunity to change a king to foil king, then i did a single hand with 92 kings ahaha

sonic birch
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This seed is cracked

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4 Blueprints, 2 Mimes, 1 Brainstorm, 1 Baron, 1 Perkeo was my end jokers

indigo sonnet
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yeah loving this one, just hit e20 on big blind of ante 8

runic raptor
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this seed looks cracked. Gonna go through and track stuff, including eternals, because I think shenanigans may be possible

sonic birch
kindred onyx
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ROFL

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HAhahahaha

sonic birch
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My end strat was copy Cryptid 5 times every hand and then get 10 more steel KoH and then change the blueprints and brainstorm to the baron instead.

kindred onyx
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Yeah fair :D

kindred onyx
runic raptor
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I found a different route than the other guy for Black Stake, here's what I've got. I expect to be able to shift into Mime/Baron later on because you just have a ton of BP/BS copying rather than Mime/Barons themselves. Probably need to find a way to get Red Seal/Steel Kings tho.

zenith aurora
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i can almost see the money

kindred onyx
whole ginkgo
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ante 7: shop 1right arcana pack has WoF. use it for polychrome joker. reroll once?
skip negative to get neg troubadour in ante 7,shop 2

use reroll to avoid hearts debuff

kindred onyx
whole ginkgo
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yep!

kindred onyx
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In Shop 2

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what does that mean

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Like

whole ginkgo
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i mean in ante 7 shop 2

kindred onyx
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In round 1?

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Oh

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Man I need to play it

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XD

whole ginkgo
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i kept being stupid and missing "all hearts debuffed" on ante 8

runic raptor
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There’s some stuff I missed in my initial routing, I’ll be trying to route it more accurately to ante 8 today

jade quiver
runic raptor
jade quiver
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I guess

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I didn't really look at black stake because I figured you wouldn't be able to leverage it much.

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But I'm pretty noob tbh lol

runic raptor
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Gotcha, eternals are mostly used later on to make tons of copies of something using Ecto and Ankh with no care for surviving the next round.

Something like Stencil or Photo Chad NaneInf use them.

jade quiver
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Ah

runic raptor
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It’s not as useful for classic Perkeo copies Cryptid setups

jade quiver
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Also, is the copying from perkeo deterministic?

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I only routed the seed once, so didn't verify it was all the way through

runic raptor
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Yeah it’s always the same, but I think it’s dependent on number of consumables and consumable positions.
I’ll test it in a bit.

jade quiver
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Wait, based on the positions?

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Ah, that would have done it

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I did some shuffling for my ocpd

runic raptor
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I think it takes it as “object number 2” rather than “object x”

jade quiver
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Ah, that makes sense

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That would mean you can manipulate it

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I don't think this seed is overly cracked, considering baron doesn't come til very late and there's very few good negatives

runic raptor
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It’s not the best seed but from what I’ve seen there’s potential for Photo Chad NaneInf, which is something I’ve been searching for.

runic raptor
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so perkeo too

jade quiver
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Ah

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Ecto shows up in shop pretty late

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I think ankh is reasonably common

jade quiver
runic raptor
jade quiver
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But in antes 1-8, no photo

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No eternal photo anyway

runic raptor
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and Ecto shows up in ante 3 after the tons of rerolls

jade quiver
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Yeah... I don't think that's a great option

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Eternal photo in ante 15

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Wait

jade quiver
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Also, congrats on sticker no.7, I noticed you updated your nick

runic raptor
jade quiver
runic raptor
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you have the money from temperance to check that far

jade quiver
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Yeah

jade quiver
runic raptor
jade quiver
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Damn

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With save states or just hard resets?

runic raptor
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hard resets

jade quiver
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Wow

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Some serious dedication

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You have my respect

runic raptor
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really just went through inoptimally for as much econ as possible (so no copying cryptid/ecto/ankh, just temperance) and rerolled a ton each ante

jade quiver
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I see

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Overstock+ helps

runic raptor
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Overstock+ isn't a thing until like Ante 6 IIRC, just Overstock

jade quiver
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Yeah

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Ik

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It helps later

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For fewer rerolls

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And yeah it's A6

runic raptor
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also the -Ancient early on helps with survival during the econ "reroll as much as you can" runs

jade quiver
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Mhm

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It's really good that this seed has it so early

runic raptor
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sadly it eats all the invisible jokers but it's still really good

jade quiver
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wait. Did you just get another gold sticker?

runic raptor
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yeah

jade quiver
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Did you reroll with just perkeo?

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Or any other jokers that get eaten?

runic raptor
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perkeo, BPs, BSs, and -Ancient

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oh and showman

jade quiver
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Showman is a pain to get ngl

runic raptor
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I'll have to do another one without him but

jade quiver
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At least to get it neg

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I don't think it's worth the slot otherwise

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Wait

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I'm dumb

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Ecto obv

runic raptor
jade quiver
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Oh

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Yeah I didn't check any of the tarots

runic raptor
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or you could carry a judgement from a previous ante into ante 4 maybe

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but it doesn't seem worth it when it's only 6 rerolls away

jade quiver
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Oh is the tarot RNG also ante based like the rerolls?

runic raptor
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especially since A4 is where you get Reroll Voucher

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yeah, all the stuff is ante based

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Tarots, Packs, Shops

jade quiver
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Makes sense

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I knew the latter were

runic raptor
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and you move forward the cycle just by taking stuff, skipping a pack (as in not buying) obviously keeps it on current cycle

jade quiver
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I wonder if naneinf is possible on any seed with an early perkeo

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In endless, anyway

runic raptor
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probably not

jade quiver
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Ig not, too many requirements for it to be guaranteed

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and a hell of a lot of seeds

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I wonder if we could train ai to analyze seeds, then set it off on all of them to find the best one.

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searching them all with a simple filter already takes long enough anyway though

runic raptor
jade quiver
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I'm on the clock atm, but I can look around later

regal spire
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There are two invis jokers on ante 17 and a poly baron aswell i think, it was preety deep (more than 150). Just got naneinf aswell used all of my cryptids apparantely only needed 70 i used 140

jade quiver
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Red poly steel king?

static ivy
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How do you beat round 6? I followed the directions and I got this

runic raptor
regal spire
jade quiver
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That's according to my guide

jade quiver
static ivy
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wait lemme try again

drifting fractal
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Ante 5 you can double skip and get a soul card from spectral pack don’t know if double skip is necessary since it comes from the first of the two packs

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It gave me chicot, but I’m also on a previous version so idk what it would give someone else

runic raptor
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Like completely different

drifting fractal
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Not completely different

runic raptor
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I might be wrong

drifting fractal
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I’m still able to follow guides, just I get different rng stuff

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Like soul, gave trib instead of perkeo

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But I still got ankh from the right pack n shit yk

drifting fractal
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Ante 12 there’s an arcana pack that gives another soul, didn’t grab but knowledge

runic raptor
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How would I do save states btw? I’d like to be able to clear out as much shop info as possible as quickly as possible later.

runic raptor
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So I rerolled a bit past the Ante 3 Ecto and found ANOTHER INVISIBLE JOKER

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so yeah, +3 Rerolls that ante

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it copies BP

runic raptor
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no showman btw

runic raptor
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found another Ectoplasm to work with

runic raptor
empty blaze
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I just stacked cryptids to get it

dense moss
weak wharf
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I picked up Steel Joker in this run. Needless to say it works pretty nicely when your deck is like 200 Steel Kings lol

jade quiver
jade quiver
jade quiver
zenith aurora
jade quiver
jade quiver
runic raptor
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nice

jade quiver
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so thats all you need?

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do you think pre-ante 8 naneinf is possible?

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on this seed

runic raptor
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I think so from what I've seen, I'm pulling up my updated route

jade quiver
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k

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whats the record for earliest naneinf?

runic raptor
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Ante 6

jade quiver
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what round?

runic raptor
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I think so at least

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idk what round

jade quiver
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since petroglyph and whatnot exist

runic raptor
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the earliest theoretical Photo Chad Naneinf is like Ante 3 Big Blind (including heiro/petro)

jade quiver
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are any other methods faster?

runic raptor
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cryptid stuff might be able to reach Ante 1 naneinf I think including Heiro/Petro, it just takes absurd rng

jade quiver
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ik theres also an eternal photo in ante 2

jade quiver
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and chad is in ante 2 after a handful of rerolls too

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as is ecto

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and ankh

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so... maybe could get it all in ante 2?

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photo is deepest

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everything else is along the way

runic raptor
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getting Jokers ante 2 is too early

jade quiver
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well, its technically ante 3 when you consider hiero

runic raptor
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or psuedorng

jade quiver
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no I know

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I mean in terms of timing

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like, how long you have to copy enough temps for the necessary funds to reroll that much in ante 2

runic raptor
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the earliest we can get Jokers is like ante 4 I think

jade quiver
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why's that?

runic raptor
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invis

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we want it to copy BP, not chad/photo that early

jade quiver
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but if you can just copy ankh, it'll do the job of bp

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just better

runic raptor
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I guess

jade quiver
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unless I'm misunderstanding something

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how many photos and chads are necessary?

runic raptor
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22/21

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and we need a Poly Glass Face Card

jade quiver
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the downside to not having bps is for copying perkeo for more ankhs

jade quiver
runic raptor
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tbh it kinda sucks that the Ancient Joker is negative

jade quiver
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aura or standard pack

jade quiver
runic raptor
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if it wasn't negative we could use Photo+Chad in its place earlier

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it's just that we can't sell it and free up space for them cuz of negative

jade quiver
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wait

jade quiver
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wait

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nvm

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why dont you just sell it though so ankh doesnt proc on it?

runic raptor
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you sell it later

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it's just that we can't sell it for space

jade quiver
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also, I just remembered theres a poly queen in ante 4 standard pack

runic raptor
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nice

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that's good

jade quiver
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thats the earliest poly face card i know of

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not counting any auras

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idk what aura procs to

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theres an aura deep in ante 3, but thats the only one I know of before ante 4

runic raptor
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the ante 4 one works

jade quiver
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did you check all the wraiths in shop for bp/brainstorm?

runic raptor
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no

jade quiver
runic raptor
jade quiver
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its probably not likely enough to be worth checking

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theres an eternal photo in ante 4 as I mentioned

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and theres that poly

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and eternal chad in the buffoon pack on that ante

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so maybe go for the setup on ante 4/5?

runic raptor
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in that case we just need the Ankhs and Ectos

jade quiver
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yeah, only need 2 ectos right?

runic raptor
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we need a total of like 80 Ankhs and Ectos for the setup

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split 40 and 40

jade quiver
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oh right

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wait

runic raptor
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41 and 41

jade quiver
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ankh removes neg?

runic raptor
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yeah

jade quiver
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oh

runic raptor
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so it's not something you can survive with

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but it's still funny to get naneinf with commons

jade quiver
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so... you'll need enough money for the rerolls in ante 4, but otherwise can copy ecto and ankh from ante 2 shop

runic raptor
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yeah

jade quiver
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so. just get enough money for 48 rerolls for ante 4

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and for the packs

runic raptor
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and also to actually buy the stuff

jade quiver
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thats all you need after ante 2

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true

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so... it'd be about $600 for the rerolls and purchases

runic raptor
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how deep is the ante 2 ecto

jade quiver
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56ish rerolls

runic raptor
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80ish copies would take like 20 rounds of having 5 perkeos worth, not sure we can do it that early

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maybe non-endless but not that early

jade quiver
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thats the earliest one

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unless theres one in ante 0

runic raptor
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ill check ante 0

jade quiver
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try to check as deep as possible

runic raptor
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nope

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even sold the Perkeos to check deeper

jade quiver
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also, is photo-chad the easiest naneinf method? in terms of whats required for the setup

runic raptor
jade quiver
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oh, well then its easy to accomplish, just not easy to do so quickly

honest wave
ornate dawn
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meet the fam

jade quiver
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Afaik invis always copies bp

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So I guess you didn't have no when you used invis