I'll make a thread here

[tidal jewel]

@onyx cairn type your suggestions here please

[onyx cairn]

Emperor's xMult should just go down to x1.5 probably, puts it about on par with baron

[tidal jewel]

yeah but then its worse baron, because you can have much larger hand size than 5

I'd much rather redesign it to give out another "2" related buff

I'll keep the "counts as highest ranked card" though

or maybe not actually? I don't know

[onyx cairn]

this one is more of an opinion on design than on balance but gunslinger would probably feel better if it was just "if played hand contains a two pair of aces and eights of clubs or spades, create 3 negative death tarots", i personally like easier to use less powerful stuff

[tidal jewel]

Sure! I can do that. 3 Negative Death Tarots is still pretty good for a rare

And its not as busted

[onyx cairn]

its on played cards so its more of a sidegrade ancient joker/the idol with the requirement being way easier and also having hack to retrigger easily + fibonacci

[tidal jewel]

oh my god fibonnachi you're right

[onyx cairn]

also baron is like 1 of the best jokers in the game depending on what you're looking for

[tidal jewel]

yeah I'll make it x1.5 then

[onyx cairn]

👍

[tidal jewel]

hack too

[onyx cairn]

2s are actually surprisingly good, wee joker is good too

[tidal jewel]

its always the extremely powerful base cards that make balancing the hardest, because I no longer know how powerful legendary Jokers should be thanks to Perkeo

[onyx cairn]

yeah thats fair

[tidal jewel]

yeah 2s are quite a good card... Let me see if I can pick out a unique sidegrade for 2s that's pretty good

Because just Mult again is too derivative and like the Baron, so

You know what, given how powerful 2s already are, how about this?

[onyx cairn]

i think king rekoj would probably be fine as an uncommon? its kinda hard to say for sure with that effect but generally you get more mult jokers than chip jokers so swapping the 2 might not be the best? it seems like something you would be able to judge very easily after using it once or twice

[onyx cairn]

nah that just sounds like another hack

[tidal jewel]

fair. Changing it again

[onyx cairn]

did you have a new idea for full moon?

[tidal jewel]

People actually like it being rare because there are so many mult jokers. You do have to realize that because Chips are like x10 to x100 more than Mult in some hand that would be a insane buff thanks to xMult effects

[tidal jewel]

People are just fine with debuffing the red seal retrigger amount by 1. It's actually pretty well balanced otherwise

[onyx cairn]

fair enough

[tidal jewel]

Also oh my god the solution has been staring me in the face the entire time. Here

there's literally a tarot called Emperor, how did I not think of this?

[onyx cairn]

i think making the requirement "hand contains 2 or more scoring 2s" would probably be better if its staying rare, 1.0.0 8 ball was "2 or more scoring 8s create a planet card" and it was like entirely unusable

emperor tarots are way better than planets and 2s are way better than 8s so i think its fine but flush five is super difficult for 1 tarot

[tidal jewel]

Ok then, what if I just turn this Joker into an Emperor Tarot?

[onyx cairn]

i think i like that yeah

[tidal jewel]

alright cool!

[onyx cairn]

gonna head to sleep so no more feedback for tonight. your balance isn't that bad i have to say, its not like the ideas are overpowered in and of themselves like perkeo. i'd recommend just looking at base game joker stuff if anything is similar at all and going from there