Give a better example of what Oops! All 6s does

[sweet hinge]

I saw a LOT of people getting mixed up with its effect because the example is shown as:
1/3->2/3
so some people mix it up and think that the jonkler only adds 1 to the chances, so i think a better example would be:
2/5->4/5

Give a better example of what Oops! All 6s does

[merry shore]

2 in 5 -> 4 in 5 perhaps?

[sweet hinge]

I guess that's better, thanks

[feral inlet]

i mean yeah but

does anything in this game that has a 'X out of Y' stat on it not start at 1?

[static heron]

it does explicitly say it doubles all probabilities, if you can't understand all 6s thats a reading comprehension issue

[hexed cosmos]

I mean, the description says "Doubles", who have you seen get confused by this?

[sweet hinge]

yeah but I've seen quite a bunch of people thinking it only adds 1 to the probabilities, mostly on reddit

[sweet hinge]

fair enough

[urban gorge]

Is there really any harm in misunderstanding something like this? The only time that the +1 vs the ×2 thing matters is when you have 2 sixes since no probabilities differentiate from a 1 in X

[static heron]

that's reddit. people there are notorious for not reading ever

[sweet hinge]

fair enough lol

[sterile lance]

Y'all are out of your minds in this thread, this is a great suggestion

Accessibility is accesssibility. Making the game easier to learn and understand is a net positive in every way

[sterile lance]

This is literal gatekeeping

[static heron]

if you don't know what "double" means idk what to tell you

[static heron]

also changing it from 2/5 to 4/5 might add even more confusion because nothing in the game has those probablilities

[sterile lance]

What is the confusion here? Can you explain the mistake that might happen?

[static heron]

i feel like the example should be a thing thats possible in the game

without an extra copy of oops obviously

[sterile lance]

We are changing something that only matters for multiple copies of oops. The purpouse of this change is to make extra copy of oops more understandable for new players

It is literally possible in the game. One of the challanges even starts with double oops all sixes

[static heron]

also whats wrong with a little bit of experimentation? "oh i have two copies of oops all 6s and this glass card says 4/4 chance to break, i guess each copy doubles the probabilities

i feel like oops all 6s' description is fine as is

[sterile lance]

The game wasn't made with that type of ruling experimentation; this isnt Binding of Isaac for example. Every joker outside of Matador explains themselves in clear and easy to understand language; it's one of the game's greatest strenghts how anyone can pick it up and play by just reading what the jokers do.

[static heron]

which you can easily do with oops all 6s

[sterile lance]

Eliminating potential frustrations is a good thing

[static heron]

it literally says double and gives an example of doubling

[sterile lance]

Yes but it could give an example that isn't misreadable. People skimming through text and getting a wrong reading is a real problem that exists and that we can write better examples around

[static heron]

well then it's kinda their fault for skimming the text, in the same way that if you play 4 cards against the psychic because you didn't look at the "hand will not score" that's your fault
like you said, one of this game's strengths is its readability which oops already has. changing an example doesn't really need to be done

[static heron]

also this

[urban gorge]

I used to think that it was a +1 and my experience wasn't unplayable

[sterile lance]

You can't blame the users for bad UI design. We can write a better flavor text to avoid this

Preventable mistakes are just that: Preventable

[sterile lance]

It's not the end of the world, but it's something that we can do better and that takes less than 5 minutes to implement

[static heron]

idk, it just doesn't really feel like it would change much

[sterile lance]

That doesn't mean we shouldn't do it

[urban gorge]

It's just inconsistent

[sterile lance]

With what?

[urban gorge]

Every probability related thing

Its always 1 in X

[past totem]

with bloodstone change, 1/3 example also doesnt exist

unless the change is gonna be reverted on live patch

[static heron]

i mean fair

[sterile lance]

Yeah; this is not an argument because it does not work with the experimental build

[static heron]

i've kinda said everything by now, i just don't feel like it would really be meaningful
i'm not opposed to it being added, but it would change basically nothing

[gritty nacelle]

it could give two examples? like 1/4 -> 2/4 or 2/4 -> 4/4

using X/4 as the example since it's on glass cards and should be fairly common to see

[unique blaze]

Hmm. Interesting debate. I would say that adding to the description would be unnecessary clutter, but changing it to an example that actually happens in the game, like 1/4 -> 2/4 would be valuable. The confusion with dual 6s being additive is a fair enough concern, since often games do implement what they call "double" as actually +100%, but those people are only those who mistrust the developer, so they don't deserve clarity anyway 🤣