#1.0.1c Experimental
static wyvern
fading jacinth
LV 12 Straight should score 13k without anything else, which if you're on Ante 4 should oneshot boss on White Stake and twoshot boss in Purple+
I guess you mean getting outscaled at like ante 6-7?
long breach
- Did you play on other device too?
- Did you have OneDrive Sync enabled?
dense dome
1. Did you play on other device too?
2. Did you have OneDrive Sync enabled?
- no, i don't have any other device to play on 2. it's possible i've had it disabled some day for some reason, but i bought balatro on release and i generally have it enabled, so i don't think that would be the reason
long breach
1. no, i don't have any other device to play on 2. it's possible i've had it dis...
Balatro's save data are located in %AppData%\Balatro. If any app / service prevents writing to this folder, you won't be able to save any progress.
Did you manage to save anything at all, or just unable to save Unlocks? To test, launch Balatro, play any deck for 1-2 round then quit. Reopen the game and see if you can continue from where you left off.
dense dome
Balatro's save data are located in %AppData%\Balatro. If any app / service preve...
I tried to go to %AppData%\Balatro and I can edit the folder however I want to. The game remembers the stakes on witch I beat ceartain deck and the jokers I used, i can continue my previous run after I reopen the game and some of the collection is saved. However, I have to reunlock everything each time I open the game and the collection resets each time. I didn't have this issue immediately upon buying the game, but some time later and since than my collection is stuck.
long breach
^ so that's an unlock issue-only I see
dense dome
yeah i guess but planets, tarots, spectrals, tags, booster packs and blinds are also reset
long breach
the only thing I can think of is to try manually saving and see if this persists.
To manual-save, launch Balatro, play and get some unlocks. While still ingame, copy your Balatro folder somewhere, close the game. Now, copy it back to %AppData%\Balatro, launch Balatro and see if everything's still reset (Make sure to disable Cloud Saving in Steam first)
dense dome
thanks, i will try that. it's a bit annoying tho, i hope the dev finds a way to fix this soon
long breach
to be honest client-sided save is hard as hell to fix, as there could be a million of reasons behind it
and Cloud Save also causes trouble for people playing on multiple devices too
static wyvern
I guess you mean getting outscaled at like ante 6-7?
I've started struggling on ante 4 boss*
Because, you know, zero straights after using all of my discards
fading jacinth
Because, ***you know***, zero straights after using all of my discards
Ah, that's more on what I'm thinking on the struggle. I guess this is more on the relatively less options to make Straights less vulnerable to card-draw RNG.
As your game prolongs and you may need to twoshot or worse, you're more likely to get screwed with card-draw RNG, especially when cards that you discard for the 1st Straight might be the cards you want for the 2nd.
coarse fable
I have gotten bloodstone on my last like 4 checkered deck runs. Ez wins
coarse fable
And just like that, checkered deck is gold staked
rare elm
Finally played with the new vampire (magic deck, purple stake, got eternal vampire around ante 5? only managed to scale it up to 1.5x on the final boss) and it does not feel on the same level as other rares at all. I still think it should be rolled back to uncommon, as it does not do as much for the money you put into it.
brittle mesa
Dunno if it's just me but that 30% for rental/persiahble just doesn't feel right i get it most of the itme, feels like a 75% especially when they combo together on a free tag card all of the time -.-
no but seriously does anyone feels like they hit more than 3 in 10? really nukes anaglyph decks out of the most tbh
livid lantern
Yeah vamp going to rare alongside the heavy nerfs was wild
If it was one or the other
It would be fine
rare elm
saddest thing was that vampire was eternal, so I couldn't even sell it, I had options for glass cards but that won't rly help me other than 0.1X 😭
long breach
well that was embarassing...
livid lantern
Wow by one chip
static wyvern
As your game prolongs and you may need to twoshot or worse, you're more likely t...
that's exactly the reason why poker hand lvls should scale faster over time
if you are all inning on smth, it gotta hit it big
static wyvern
saddest thing was that vampire was eternal, so I couldn't even sell it, I had op...
vampire scaling for only 0.1 is such a joke 
long breach
I'm still on the book of Vampire should scale 0.2
static wyvern
its like, oh yeah, let me pull 10 enhanced cards out of my ass just to get x2
long breach
the nerf of "played card" was fine and justified, but it makes this Joker scale very slow it wasn't worth it lol
Constellation scales same rate, but you get instant scale and buff filler hands in the process
static wyvern
the nerf of "played card" was fine and justified, but it makes this Joker scale ...
indeed, it enabled high card builds with golden mask
before I mean
long breach
^ yeah, and LocalThunk wanted to make things consistent, so no complaint there
but the fact that this Joker is now Rare makes it a bad one among other Rare Jokers in the pool
long breach
it's oughtright worse than Constellation (Uncommon) now
no idea why people still think it's good as a Rare Joker lol
static wyvern
and yeah, it sucks so much ass in early game
even before nerf
it struggled there
rare elm
rental or perishable vamp💀
I mean, you're just complaining at this point. All scaling jokers suck with new tags, that's the point
rare elm
it struggled there
Same here, all scaling Xmult jokers are pretty mid early game
because first you want some +mult sources
and chips
and only then you would have Xmult do most of the work for you
static wyvern
I mean, you're just complaining at this point. All scaling jokers suck with new ...
Well, umm, shouldn't I?
autumn egret
yep, it's just scaling. vamp is still really good - tarot cards are more plentiful thanks to pack changes + more accessible jokers like 8 ball
it's just not overwhelmingly snap pickable like before
probably a top 5 joker prepatch
rare elm
it got 3
rare elm
??
autumn egret
you're saying since skips are more viable, there's less chances for vamp to eat?
static wyvern
rental and perishable
autumn egret
oh
i guess i kind of see what you mean, it affects every joker similarly so when you see a rare, it's that much more unlikely for it to be tagless
static wyvern
It's rare, its scaling got havled, now counting only scored cards and it can now get fucked over by perishable tag
I have no idea under what circumstances you wanna use him now
autumn egret
i can tell you the few runs i won with him, i picked him up ante 3-5 and was able to scale him decently quickly because i had a bunch of enhanced cards
it's just the same as any xmult joker - you take him when you're ready to scale, and have the econ to support it
static wyvern
i can tell you the few runs i won with him, i picked him up ante 3-5 and was abl...
Well, ig you can find ~10 enhances by ante 5 but that will give you like x2 mult
that's so slow
and now your deck lost 10 enhancements
rare elm
Well, umm, shouldn't I?
Perishable tag affects ALL scaling jokers, I don't see why does vampire specifically suck because of the perishable tag
static wyvern
Perishable tag affects ALL scaling jokers, I don't see why does vampire specific...
you answered your own question
somber lava
by that logic every joker got nerfed twice because of the new stickers
static wyvern
before patch - no perishable, vamp is chilling
after patch - now can be perishable, vamp is not chilling
rare elm
we should just make orange stake do nothing
autumn egret
lmao
rare elm
is that what you're suggesting?
static wyvern
no, I'm suggesting vamp getting back his x0.2
I have nothing against new gold stake
wdym
autumn egret
Well, ig you can find ~10 enhances by ante 5 but that will give you like x2 mult
magician changes make that a bit easier, and tarots are easier to farm than before so it's quicker to scale than you're giving it credit for
rare elm
Well it does sound like you're just complaining about perishable tag, that's why I'm confused?
somber lava
it's not a nerf when the effects are universal
rare elm
it is universal on all scaling jokers
static wyvern
yes, this
static wyvern
every scaling joker*
autumn egret
well...i'll leave you all to it, feels like we started talking in circles a bit
rare elm
Well, I do think vampire needs a change in its current state, either it needs 0.2X and stay rare or it should become uncommon with 0.1X, since it is pretty underwhelming
autumn egret
lol
somber lava
i still think Vampire is fine but Rare to Uncommon would be the best change
rare elm
yea I'm fine with either
it feels pretty bad as a rare
unless you have tarot generator joker/seals
which is pretty situational
autumn egret
yea i'm in the camp that vamp is totally fine in its current state
it's not like you should be able to say "hey this rare joker works in every single circumstance"
you take rares because they have strong situational effects
shy lance
it feels pretty bad as a rare
I don't think it feels right as a rare, it was A. nerfed enough that I think it's in line with the uncommon scalers and B. I argue all the rare growing xmult jokers (aka the ones that the xmult numbers grow bigger on the card from meeting conditions) have a reset condition currently so if vamp is Rare it should scale a bit faster and have a reset condition as well 😛
floral cedar
I mean even in the right situations its not good
autumn egret
you take rares because they have strong situational effects
i guess that logic excludes blueprint/brainstorm though lool
autumn egret
I mean even in the right situations its not good
mm only because we've seen it at its best, now that it's feeling a little under the weather it can still hard carry a run
floral cedar
nope
autumn egret
lol
floral cedar
I had it for 6 antes and it only went from 1x to 1.9x
autumn egret
oh that's unfortunate
rare elm
I had it for 4 antes and got it to 1.5X
floral cedar
^
rare elm
no tarot generating stuff and I died to final boss
floral cedar
Its litterally worst than HTR and thats saying something
autumn egret
i had it from ante 3 and was able to get it to 2x by ante 5..
having a generator really helps, and a strong econ
rare elm
I had like 3 more enhancements but couldn't draw my lucky cards and my steel card was doing literally more work than vampire 😹
fading jacinth
You really want a Tarot generator if you want to play Vampire now.
floral cedar
tbf my joker line up that run was burnt joker, 2x for flush, 2x for pair, vampire, and astronaut LOL
rare elm
You really want a Tarot generator if you want to play Vampire now.
yeah, unfortunately in my run I was going to lose if I didnt pick up some Xmult
floral cedar
so I didnt have any jokers for a generator
autumn egret
I don't think it feels right as a rare, it was A. nerfed enough that I think it'...
this is interesting to me - vampire not having a reset condition is part of its identity, imo. that's why its scaling needed to be slowed down
man i wish i had time to hop into a run and find a vamp but i'll have to do it when i get home
rare elm
having a generator really helps, and a strong econ
I dont think econ matters that much, you can have econ but it's not guaranteed to get enhancement tarots in a pack, as well as you're not guaranteed to draw said enhanced cards during the round
floral cedar
true
fading jacinth
Whreas Tarot gen means you're most likely having these on hand which means you can enhance right before playing.
shy lance
this is interesting to me - vampire not having a reset condition is part of its ...
My playful thoughts was as a rare if you wanted a reset condition was vamp seems like a thirsty little guy, so vamp could reset if they don't drink within so many plays but with better scaling. (aka lore wise plenty of vamp lore has vamps lose their strength if they don't drink in so long)
But yeah when I was doing a look at the jokers I noticed all the rare growth ones reset, it was an interesting notice lol.
floral cedar
tbf if you have good tarot gen you are alreadcy winning a lto
autumn egret
My playful thoughts was as a rare if you wanted a reset condition was vamp seems...
lmfao i kind of like this actually
fading jacinth
Doesn't help that the enhancement drain means you're basically also going "purist run" to some extent.
autumn egret
tbf if you have good tarot gen you are alreadcy winning a lto
this is interesting, saying that vamp is a "win more" card is a little disingenuous i think
somber lava
Vampire should be a wincon to Tarots instead of a winmore
autumn egret
and i think it already fills the wincon role, even nerfed - tarots can set you up for success but they don't win you the run outside of like...jokerless lol
i think vamp serves the role of turning tarot cards into a wincon
floral cedar
No, Vampire is a win less card
autumn egret
i'm not sure i can say anything to that, you seem pretty set in your opinion lol
floral cedar
I am, but tbf Im salty cause I havent gotten a single good vampire run nerfed/unnerfed
so Ive never tasted glory, and will never taste it
floral cedar
I got him cookin but the first time I did the seed was full skip for merry andy
autumn egret
every time i get him i have like eternal hack or some shit 💀
somber lava
one run i got Vampire to x2.9 in a few antes with packs and shop only
floral cedar
I only got to actually cook after I replayed the seed
autumn egret
lool that's a mood
floral cedar
I might just not have enough experience
most of my hours are from modded/glitched content if I had to guess, the only times Im not doing that is when the game released and the new gold stake
floral cedar
oo good start
VERY GOOD START
100k by round 7
WHAT DO I SELL!?!!?
oh wait bull, didnt notice it was perishable
perishable brainstorm...
what is this run bro
Im gonna have to skip it
floral cedar
every time i get him i have like eternal hack or some shit 💀
thats me with vampire
😭 sorry for stealing the chat but like wtf
shrewd owl
So I heard you like retriggers...
could've lived into this next shop if i played one more polyglass 5 in my hand, but i was trying to hold onto them incase they broke
shrewd owl
this entire run pretty much stemmed from one random ouija in an ante 1 or 2 shop (ghost deck moment), got 5s from it
static wyvern
I just pulled 2 legendaries back to back
floral cedar
howwww
autumn egret
thats me with vampire
hahah maybe it's an illusion take here too 🙃
floral cedar
YESYESYEYSYESYYESYSEYSEYSEYSEYYSEYSEY
casual 26 billion
ankhing triboulet was the best decision Ive made today
I take dusk here right? XD
floral cedar
well...this is an unfortunate interaction LMFAO
yeah 2 vampires is not good
welp, new pb
static wyvern
well...this is an unfortunate interaction LMFAO
static wyvern
welp, new pb
gratz!
static wyvern
Found a Bug
floral cedar
yeah that happens
since start of rounds go after boss blind abilities
I think its intended but I dont remember local saying so or not
static wyvern
understandable
autumn egret
wait really? it keeps making cards?
or you mean the cards stay in your deck
ahhh yeah
honestly i love cert because of the +1 hand size it gives yuou turn 1
floral cedar
but then its a -1 hand size afterwards
autumn egret
not exactly -1 hand size, it just goes back to normal
and then your deck is marginally bloated with a good seal card
floral cedar
well you draw 1 less card
and then after that its normal
you get the random card but then if you discard 5 cards you only fraw 4
since you go back to the x/x hand size
autumn egret
since you were over hand size limit yea
floral cedar
yeah
autumn egret
really effective in low builds like pair/high card
autumn egret
man thank you so much for being here ducker
so glad to see another certificate lover
floral cedar
I mean I love certificate
I just havent gotten anything with it
hanged man + certifate must be cracked as heck
rlly?
rare elm
Trading card certificate and hologram
floral cedar
I meant trading card
rare elm
🕵️
rare elm
Did you
floral cedar
I mean I put in suggestions and local made it a reality the next week
and local commented on the thread
floral cedar
rental trading card is fun
rare elm
I feel like lucky cat was based on the lucky crow suggestion ngl
floral cedar
maybe
rare elm
I mean, no reason not to keep it
floral cedar
I alsdso created red card idea but my original concept was slightly different and more fun, and I Local never commented if they saw it
rare elm
1 boss
floral cedar
XD
autumn egret
gotta stay hydrated
floral cedar
I was drinking water irl as I said that
rare elm
True, it's getting hotter outside
floral cedar
true
livid lantern
Waters weird, I drink it and then all of a sudden I lose any chance to discard
floral cedar
XD
livid lantern
Couldnt think of anything to replace discard with
modern kiln
What are y'all doing with Vampire to get it at 1.5x? I've never had my vampire anyplace lower than 2x, with below 3x being rather rare
Like seriously how is that card so much worse when y'all play it I don't get it
livid lantern
Used to depend on stake
If its like orange and gold stake, you needed tarot cards in shop
In order to scale it reliably
static wyvern
What are y'all *doing* with Vampire to get it at 1.5x? I've never had my vampire...
same
max i got was 2.6
livid lantern
Now? Its just kinda decent, but the fact is that it needs to be scored cards really messes with things
modern kiln
Vampire got a ton of nerfs but the removal of the orange stake shop inflation was also massive for it as well
livid lantern
Its not even that bad, it just got overnerfed imo
modern kiln
It did not got overnerfed it's still one of the best jokers in the game
livid lantern
Constellation arguably does its job better now and thats more common
modern kiln
They're both great jokers
livid lantern
Yeah xmult is nothing to scoff at
But i think constellation is just a better x mult scaler
Due to planets ALSO being better now
modern kiln
Being scaling xmult ala Green Joker or Squared in that it doesn't matter what hand you played as long as you scaled it before makes it so unbelievably good
modern kiln
But i think constellation is just a better x mult scaler
That's not a point against Vampire
Specially when you never really are in a position where you have to choose between either
livid lantern
It isnt I know, but its just that the other options for xmult are better imo (besides hit the road tarnation that joker)
modern kiln
Ehhh, I disagree tbfh. It's better than most other x mults
livid lantern
Thats fair, i barely enhance cards though sooo that might play a factor
modern kiln
It's extremely unconditional, not caring about hand or other requirements at all is a very rare trait to have
Here's my tierlist of the x mult jokers (tiers not ordered within themselves)
livid lantern
Isnt canio an x mult?
modern kiln
Right, forgot about that one
floral cedar
also ancient joker
modern kiln
Added a few goobers I forgot about
floral cedar
also acrobat
livid lantern
Cat
modern kiln
The thing about Vampire is that even if it capped at 2x. it'd still be a damn good joker
And still be at least A tier
livid lantern
Oh yeah it would be, I just see it as decent tbh
floral cedar
I see it worst than hit the road
livid lantern
Like a good option but not one I want the most
modern kiln
Just a free 2x mult with no string attaches - not having to worry about specific hands, having a club in the hand or any other hoops to jump through - is so exceedingly good
floral cedar
Unless you have good tarot generation you cant get it up fast, maybe like 2x after like 4 antes
I did 6 antes and got it only to 1.9x and I was trying to get it better
modern kiln
How are you only playing 9 enhanced cards in 6 antes'? Do you not open tarot packs?
floral cedar
I do
but not only do you have to open tarot packs, you also have to get enhancements
and also you have to score the cards
modern kiln
Which are like, around half of them
Most tarot packs you open are gonna have enhancements in them
- the tarot cards in the shop
floral cedar
yeah, but only 3 of them are things that let you select 2 cards
floral cedar
but you have to score them
modern kiln
Yeah, but over the course of a run that's still a lot of enhancements
livid lantern
Yeah, just score it
modern kiln
You can just throw a high card with them in it
floral cedar
thats what I did
livid lantern
I know i was on the side of vampire being not that great, but I dont see it as worse than hit the road
floral cedar
htr is at worst 1.5x consistently
from what Ive gotten
though at best 2x consistently
livid lantern
Ii hate having to play around road tbh
modern kiln
HtR is at its worst 0x if you draw poorly, and drawing poorly kills runs. Vampire doesn't have a consistency achilles' heel
floral cedar
just get smaller decks
livid lantern
I mean vamp kinda does if you cant draw the gee golly enhancement
floral cedar
like use hanged men and death and you can get htr up a decent bit
modern kiln
I mean vamp kinda does if you cant draw the gee golly enhancement
The thing is once vamp gets the mult it doesn't lose it unlike hit the road. You're not gonna die ante 12 because vamp whiffed like you can with hit the road
floral cedar
also there are way more synergizing jokers with merry andy and drunkard and such
modern kiln
Saying HtR is easier to setup than Vampire is genuinely insane. It's way easier to put enhancements in your deck than to get jacks in hand
floral cedar
I mean thats true, but you get 5x the increase than you do from vampire
so each jack is worth a whole hand of enhancements
modern kiln
Having a high number on an x mult is overrated. You want many x mults and consistent x mults, not a highrolly big x mult
floral cedar
Its not high roll with enough discards and such
modern kiln
If you dedicate your entire build towards jacks sure, but at that point it's no longer a generic x mult and thus really not that good for what you want out of an x mult
floral cedar
If you dedicate your entire build towards vampire sure, but at that point it's no longer a generic x mult and thus really not that good for what you want out of an x mult
modern kiln
If you dedicate your entire build towards vampire sure, but at that point it's n...
The thing is Vampire slots into literally any build while Hit the Road doesn't
spiral comet
not literally every build to be exact
floral cedar
I can agree with you on that, but you lose the ability to actually play enhanced cards
spiral comet
eg it would antisynergize with lucky cat
floral cedar
yeah
modern kiln
I can agree with you on that, but you lose the ability to actually play enhanced...
Which most relevant lategame. Stuff like lucky cards, bonus cards and mult cards aren't meaningful enough later on
modern kiln
eg it would antisynergize with lucky cat
I disagree a lot
If lucky cat is at least at 3x and I find a vampire I am taking it to get a second source of x mult
floral cedar
if lucky cat is at least 3x then you focus planets for plus multi and plus chips
modern kiln
In fact that's a great moment to pick up Vampire - you already got a source of x mult + a bunch of enhanced cards, allowing Vampire to get fed and close out the run
After a point it doesn't matter what you were doing with enhancements before, whatever it was often isn't better than a 2x/2.5x joker. And if it was like glass cards retriggering then you likely already won due to how good that build is
The only real antisynergy it has is with Driver's License getting turned off
floral cedar
another thing is htr scales the more you have while vampire doesnt
modern kiln
How are you getting so many jacks? Or are you finding HtR like ante 2?
floral cedar
I mean tarots
modern kiln
Yeah but you're not duplicating Jacks if you don't have Hit the Road
floral cedar
also I almost always try and lower my deck size with hanged man > enhancing a card with enhancements
modern kiln
Well yeah, but that doesn't answer the question of where the extra jacks come from
floral cedar
you are enhancing cards with +30 chips unless you are using vampire or have insane tarot generation
floral cedar
Well yeah, but that doesn't answer the question of where the extra jacks come fr...
you dont need extra jacks, 2 jacks is 2x multi which is better than vampire
loyalty card is good if you have burglar
modern kiln
Seriously how are you drawing them in every ante? Drawing 2 out of 4 specific cards from your deck every blind is not realistic at all
Mathematically at some point you're not gonna see the jacks
Even 2 out of 5 or out of 6 is already sketchy
floral cedar
Maybe I play to much painted deck cause I was stuck on that gold stake forever
modern kiln
Fair
floral cedar
but I mean I use hanged man > every enhancing/suit changing joke every time unless its like magician and I draw my always play cards
yeah I got a few good looking runs, but the experimental version doesnt fix my stupidity
also I did win eventually so that was great
modern kiln
I mean, same. My order usually is death > money/hanged man/emperor > enhancing cards > high priestess > suit changings
floral cedar
I take high priestess over enhancing cards unless its super super early and magician
cause you get money back from selling allowing for more interest scaling and such
modern kiln
Wack, tbfh. I usually deprioritize high priestess a lot
Unless I'm playing Constellation
floral cedar
true
modern kiln
Early empress can be nice yeah
floral cedar
but I like high priestess since you can sell the planets to get your money back, especially if it gets you over that barrier for interest
modern kiln
Lategame I would rather build towards vampire/driver's license/lucky cat/steel joker because the x mult cards are what make or break the game at the end of the day
floral cedar
hmmm ig I can agree with that
tbh I dont think Ive taken steel joker, maybe I need to think of steels more often
modern kiln
I feel like selling the planets for 2$ is very shortsighted when you can be using the tarot that makes the cards give +30 chips; lategame chips are super important, alongside the driver's license and vampire synergy as well
- imo if you wanna go for money it's always better to go The Devil than High Priestess
floral cedar
I dont like ancient joker cause its very high roll
I had 2 gay ancient jokers one run pre experimental and managed to lose
floral cedar
I dont like ancient joker cause its very high roll
especially with bosses
modern kiln
Going for high priestess and selling the planets is so not worth it; I would rather get the unique bonuses that the arcana pack gave me than trying to get a refund. I can get 2$ anywhere but creating bonus or mult cards I can only do here
floral cedar
hmmm, you might be right
modern kiln
Ancient Joker is awesome until it lands on a suit you didn't happen to draw and your entire run falls apart on a big blind
floral cedar
if ancient joker actually picked a suit in you deck that would be nice
especially for checkered deck
yeah exactly
but you should be able to
formal crystal
Ancient is really weird
modern kiln
Going for high priestess and selling the planets is so not worth it; I would rat...
Lategame you really want chips so enhanced cards or the tower are unbelievably valuable. I'd rather get them rather than 3$ from High Priestess (assuming it got over an interest threshold), + it opens up more x mult options in the form of vampire and driver's license
formal crystal
The best way to use ancient joker is telescope flush
modern kiln
The problem with ancient joker is that you can't thin your deck for it
floral cedar
yeah
modern kiln
If you have ancient joker and you focus on only 1 or 2 suits then it will call a suit you don't have and the run dies. Meaning you're forced to have all 4, meaning sometimes you just don't draw a flush and the run dies. (Or, later on when you're two shotting hands you don't draw two flushes and die)
formal crystal
I've had situations where I end up taking high priestess and selling the planets, but thats usually cause I'm fishing for a specific one, or have a planet pack lined up
floral cedar
exactly
modern kiln
Wild Cards are wack due to only 1 from Lovers and Smeared is a Uncommon while Ancient is Rare. I really dislike both jokers so I'm never running just Smeared or just Ancient, meaning I never get this combo (and it's a rather rare combo too)
formal crystal
Its slightly better cause of the -hand size removal, but until lovers is buffed, I don't see it being that good
floral cedar
Unless you have like chicot, or director cut with lots of econ, I dont rlly take ancient joker
modern kiln
Ancient could become really the new Lucky Cat if Lovers gets changed to make 2 wilds
floral cedar
Ancient could become really the new Lucky Cat if Lovers gets changed to make 2 w...
I disagree because of the bosses
modern kiln
That's fair, yeah.
I feel like early game it's still not good due to the consistency problems. You don't have wilds, don't have the wasteful or artful voucher, etc
formal crystal
I have ancient joker in C tier, but its mainly cause of differing tier philosophies
floral cedar
especially since you cant find the same boss 2x, you are bound to get 1 of the suit bosses eventually, most games you even get 2
modern kiln
- it's a rare so it's hard to find earlygame when you're not rerolling a lot
modern kiln
I have ancient joker in C tier, but its mainly cause of differing tier philosoph...
Valid
formal crystal
The chad buff at least helps it
modern kiln
I haven't found it at all in the new patch for some reason, dude's been really hard to find for a while now
I can see it being very good if you get hanging chad
floral cedar
yeah I havent found lucky at all except for 1 time in ante 11 today or something
actually might have been something else? I forget. the main point is it was to late to get it
XD
I might start doing uncommon joker tags ante 1 for lucky cat
actually that doesnt work cause I wont have magician fudge
modern kiln
yeh
floral cedar
Having an xmulti or rare joker being perishable sucks
unless it doesnt fit my build
modern kiln
Cat is a lot easier to find if you prioritize magician over the planet producing, like Sun Magician High Priestess taking magician here
floral cedar
Its cool with commons and most uncommons, but when it comes to things that are game changers it actually hurts so much
though it also makes rift raft an S+ tier like youve never seen before
since they cant get those tags
modern kiln
Eternal Riff Raff, ack such a frustrating pickup. Sometimes you have to take it but late game it's soo annoying
Painted deck cosplay
floral cedar
black deck + rift raft must be fun
imagine 2 polychrome eternal rift rafts black deck, that would be a fun game
I havent played black yet
I fortgot about the campfire nerf
wouldve won that round if it wasnt nerfed... oh well
floral cedar
woops
long breach
came back since someone mentioned Rare are strong situational Joker... That logic is flawed because most Jokers are "situational" lol
formal crystal
The rare jokers mostly are really powerful when they get working, but require a bit of setup
So as a side effect, a lot of them are quite situational
burnt lichen
yeah, baseball only works when you have uncommons, dna only works if you want to have many of a card, obelisk only works if you played many of a hand and your jonklers don't need specific hands to proc, etc and etc
wide grove
ok friends. we are back
autumn egret
came back since someone mentioned Rare are strong situational Joker... That logi...
there's exceptions to the rule - brainstorm, burnt joker, driver's license i guess
maybe a better way to put it is "rares alter the way you play for a large benefit," as in it can be worth to pivot your default deck into a more specific form to meet the conditions for a rare joker to pop off
wide grove
been a long weekend but we're gonna finally take care of plasma on new gold stake
formal crystal
Brainstorm requires good utility jokers to copy/hand xMult(though it is one of the most general ones)
Burnt is only good if you can reliably discard the hand you want to play
Driver's license forces you to find enhancements
autumn egret
that logic somewhat applies to uncommons but it's usually not a complete winout. like i can't play to ante 8 relying on marble joker by itself, or four fingers, or even constellation - uncommons are wincons with support from more than 1 joker. rares, when given ample deck tailoring, usually can straight win you the run
formal crystal
And commons are the least situational jokers but often lack raw power to compensate
autumn egret
this reasoning is kind of why i think stuntman should be rare - it corrals your deck into playing pair/high card most of the time, and is pretty narrow in focus despite its strength
long breach
I always view the three tiers based on their power and versatile:
-Common = least powerful, cheap
-Uncommon = mid-tier, can be very powerful, affordable
-Rare = most powerful, expensive, requires some setup to utilize
naturally when you invest in Rare you'd want a good return, but some Rare Jokers are simply outclassed by its Uncommon version
wide grove
WELL then.
first run of the night
plasma gold ✅
photograph + sock + timed out my perishable throwback. didn't even need neg acrobat to kick in w a flush build.
done with red, black, nebula, ghost, abandoned, checkered, zodiac, anaglyph, plasma, erratic
backtracking now to blue
takeaway is still that econ is too ez and you can play around the rentals in a pretty straightforward way w enough reroll
fervent beacon
easy if you dont reroll too much like me perhaps
I gotta take this game one step at a time and not reroll if I'm already winning
wide grove
I gotta take this game one step at a time and not reroll if I'm already winning
if ur beating current ante scores and not already maxed out econ u don't need to reroll much. but hunting for a couple cheap rerolls is good
cyan river
Has anyone else experienced not being able to get the last legendary joker on gold stake?
I had two left, I got one but Canio refuses to spawn
I've gotten soul stone at least 3 times
floral cedar
Its hard to figure out since you dont get soul often
let alone on gold stake
So sorry, no I have seen this
formal crystal
The unique legendary thing is only on gold stake
But if you never cleared with it, it should appear in the next soul
floral cedar
yeah...
plain plover
that mechanic seems to be working for me
ive gotten a gold sticker on all legendarys but chicot, and now ive always gotten chicot from soul on gold stake
unfortunately
one day i will get the chicot sticker and be free of this curse
coarse fable
I think this might be the highest I've leveled a hand? I had an early telescope plus burnt joker and supernova. Picked up space joker midway through the run and it was a no brainer from there
Also I really feel like orange and gold stake aren't as much of a grind with these versions. It took me ages to gold stake my first deck, and yeah I've gotten better as I've played more and more, but I am climbing the stakes with ease and finishing out high stake runs way more frequently in this beta. It's very fun
cyan river
ive gotten a gold sticker on all legendarys but chicot, and now ive always gotte...
Wait, is it based on the stickers?
I literally don't have Canio unlocked, I don't think any of them have a gold sticker
plain plover
- Changed Gold Stake random seeds - now ensures that the first Legendary Joker on that seed is a Joker that you have not won with on Gold Stake (For Completionist++ hunting)
so yeah its jokers that youve won with on gold stake
cyan river
Argh, that makes sense though
I was thrown off because the first time I did get a new one
shell sparrow
this is why vagabond is rare
plain plover
oh vagabond + flash card is smart
you're gonna be spending all your money between rounds so you might as well get value out of the rerolls
shell sparrow
Vagabond + Egg/Gift Card + Flash Card is incredible
fervent beacon
I used to think flash card was trash
shell sparrow
Vagabond Economy Moment
shell sparrow
what do I do? Egg's carrying my economy hard
flash card is at +172 btw
not even sure if BS is worth it
shell sparrow
oh yeah I already moved on, it still popped off tho
shell sparrow
I had +50 Temperance and Money Seed so I was using it for +20 Interest total most rounds
shell sparrow
there's a reason it got moved to rare
floral cedar
true
shell sparrow
tbh it didn't even need the buff but I'll take it
floral cedar
though Ive only gotten good runs when it is rare, and not when it was uncommon XD
The buff is minor, but it makes it a lot more fun to use
floral cedar
ig, I dont know since I never got to use the uncommon version XD
shell sparrow
like it made 2 Gold Cards allow 2 Interest instead of needing 3
hardy rock
i suggest oops all perishables as a new challenge...
shell sparrow
non-non-perishable
merry sail
No ice cream! No popcorn! And no seltzer!
rancid marsh
perishable playing cards 
lament mortar
“Double or nothing” is already perishable playing cards
long breach
“Double or nothing” is already perishable playing cards
except you can revive them with enhancement
frosty pilot
perishable playing cards <a:severelysorrytohearthat:1189610560409571448>
glass without the upside
cyan river
except you can revive them with enhancement
God how did I not think of that
dull sphinx
First ever gold stake run I won was with vagabond. It’s probably a great gold stake card now
long breach
God how did I not think of that
I wasn't aware of that either until Balatro University points that out
rare elm
same technology works on cards debuffed by the pillar, btw
fervent beacon
having a tough time making runs get past like ante 2 even on painted deck gold but I might just be bad
rancid marsh
“Double or nothing” is already perishable playing cards
nah cuz here ALL your cards are debuffed by ante 3
so u gotta just keep trying to roll insta win jokers
basically gold stake
fervent beacon
yeah my win rate when doing gold runs on painted is abysmal
autumn egret
another goofy vampire w, vampire ate all the vagabond enhancements, while campfire ate everything else
autumn egret
yeah my win rate when doing gold runs on painted is abysmal
painted was what i spent the most time on in gold stake for sure, even longer than black deck
rare elm
isnt painted deck in new patch just do jokerless-ish
black deck is pretty rough cuz u need to rely on jokers, and they're the things that are nerfed by the gold stakes
painted only suffers from early eternals
blue seal on painted should be VERY busted
fervent beacon
I just don't know how I could have won the runs I end up losing a lot of the time
rare elm
(well this is blue stake, but the idea stays the same) :v
Scaling jokers are nerfed by the orange stake with addition of perishable jokers, so idea does not exactly work the same way
long breach
Scaling jokers are nerfed by the orange stake with addition of perishable jokers...
I mean you could brute force a seed with cleaned jokers, but everyone's against that
rare elm
Resetting is boring
You can obviously do that but it's not fun
Thought we're making high stakes fun here
spiral comet
not much of an issue
besides the four suits (which should be merged freeing up 3 unique effects) and the plant bosses
long breach
I'd argue on that. We're supposed to diversify our deck building to dodge boss counter, but on high stake this isn't always possible
so you build your deck to survive first, and then a boss hard counter it at Ante 6 or 7, ending your run
not sure I'd call it fun
spiral comet
bosses should act as “checks” rather than counters (imo)
runs only die if they are weak
bosses acts as checks to a player’s playstyle / strategy
long breach
not exactly
spiral comet
eg amber acorn teaches importance of position
long breach
you can't simply check playstyle / strategy when each run is seed-dependent
spiral comet
assuming unseeded we don’t know what’s coming up besides the next boss
fervent beacon
Boss rng is why you should leave your possibilities open for as long as possible before committing to a build
spiral comet
valid point
long breach
^ except you're constantly limited by the shop and your econ
spiral comet
^ especially on higher stakes
do you think it’s a good idea to merge the four suit bosses’s effects together and free up 3 boss effects?
long breach
someone brought up a good suggestion regarding reroll
it should function like shop reroll: Default unlock and maybe costs higher than the current $10. The two vouchers can lower price and increase reroll time
spiral comet
director’s cut is S tier for a lot of people because of these hard counter bosses
with this voucher, you can bail out of a boss that wouldve ended a run
long breach
I don't disagree with that. The issue with the current voucher is it's overly pricy
spiral comet
in my opinion, it’s mainly because of the four suit bosses and plant
they aren’t a big issue
but they are some of the boring bosses
all other bosses have some interesting gimmick in them
long breach
there are always bosses that end your run prematurely given specific condition
foggy mantle
Shoutout to the hook for being cool and interesting
spiral comet
^
long breach
my argument is that players should have a better system to counter boss, the current one seem a bit too RNG heavy
spiral comet
valid argument
long breach
if I recall correctly, one of the Tarot card in the playtest build has "Disable current boss blind effect"
which could be a good remedy
spiral comet
yeah old fool
but that’s boring
instead of trying to evade the problematic bosses through rerolling, why not change them so that rerolling the bosses is not as necessary as right now
long breach
^ the issue is there are endless build in Balatro right now that it's impossible to balance bosses that way
spiral comet
yeah that’s an issue
long breach
The Ox is harmless to most build, it specifically targets Bootstrap / Bull deck
and it's Ante 6 boss, you won't know it's coming to avoid it altogether
long breach
again, you said that because you probably never built money deck
which is understandable
long breach
but like I said, sometimes the seed simply gives you no option
foggy mantle
Tbh if you're relying on bootstraps or bull you probably don't care as much about what hands you're playing
spiral comet
that too as they give the base chips and mult
i play anaglyph so sometimes i have a booming econ
and bull bootstraps sometimes shows up
long breach
well we're back to the "skill issue" stuff here, so I'll drop the topic
spiral comet
sure thing
fading jacinth
Anaglyph Deck and proccing all Double Tags on the Investment Tag before Ox be like:
long breach
everyone's saying "play like this, like that, etc" until they land on a bad seed lol
fading jacinth
Anaglyph Deck and proccing all Double Tags on the Investment Tag before Ox be li...
long breach
trust me, I saw that too many times
long breach
skill on seeded run, fine. Half of that is at RNG's mercy on unseed
so can we drop that already lol
spiral comet
sure sure
long breach
let's just take an example on The Golden Needle challenge
fading jacinth
Golden Needle + Water?
fading jacinth
That's literally "Heaven's Hand or die" situation.
long breach
that, and the initial deck was so bad that after 30 cards discarded, you still didn't find your 4-of-a-kind to get past Ante 2 without Joker\
fading jacinth
IIRC if you're on Ante 2 without joker you need at least a Straight Flush for that which is worse.
4 Aces only gives you 728 pts
spiral comet
do you think it’s a good idea to merge the four suit bosses’s effects together a...
btw opinions on this?
fading jacinth
Oh, then yes, 4oak minimum for Ante 1 BB. A-10 (or A-Facecard) Full House caps out at 372pts
spiral comet
yea
long breach
do you think it’s a good idea to merge the four suit bosses’s effects together a...
I'd suggest "Enhanced cards are debuffed" as a substitute
fading jacinth
merge the four suit bosses's effects together
The Medusa "All non-Stone cards are debuffed"
spiral comet
not that type of merge lmao
long breach
btw this patch buff Flower Pot to work with debuffed cards
fading jacinth
Yeah, that's meant to be a joke. Something like "Random suit gets debuffed, suit changes every hand"
long breach
so maybe some effect could enable working with debuff?
spiral comet
something like {random suit in deck weighted by cards} is debuffed, changes every hand sounds fine
long breach
so things like Blackboard, Raised Fist, etc... would still work with debuffed cards since they should target the original stats
spiral comet
prob
dull sphinx
i have an interesting run here. what is best order u guys think?
also accidental 69 dollars. meme run
spiral comet
fib in second slot?
dull sphinx
also i just got sock and buskin in the shop so now im even more confused
summer pine
i have an interesting run here. what is best order u guys think?
depending on how reliably you can use hearts, doubling baseball gets you 1.5^6 = 11.39 effective xMult
but 3 rolls for x2 on average should be more iirc
summer pine
i have an interesting run here. what is best order u guys think?
if you play a heart flush, that's 5 cards with 3 rolls of 50% odds each, meaning the distribution is from + x0 to + x2^15, which is 32768. Your average, since it's a coinflip should be roughly 15/2 = 7.5, which is about x181 most frequently, but there's a lot of variance
dull sphinx
so its essentially safer to dupe baseball if i want to be safe is what you are saying right
ivory sandal
question regarding ancient joker and castle: is the selected suit synced?
summer pine
so its essentially safer to dupe baseball if i want to be safe is what you are s...
yes basically that's what I meant
summer pine
question regarding ancient joker and castle: is the selected suit synced?
I believe they're decided independently
long breach
question regarding ancient joker and castle: is the selected suit synced?
nope, random
twin girder
Is there any indication of when this patch will make it to mainline?
floral cedar
Soon(tm)
floral saddle
Is there any indication of when this patch will make it to mainline?
lul, I was about to ask this
rocky oar
bloodstone good
floral cedar
nicee
especially on checkered
I think bloodstone should be rare and ancient be uncommon, just slowly make rares uncommon and uncommons rare XD
fervent beacon
I think bloodstone should be rare and ancient be uncommon, just slowly make rare...
Yeah but then all the suit jokers have to be rare
rocky oar
its over
rocky oar
flashcards carrying... NOT
borat voice
floral cedar
rip
rocky oar
OKAY. ALRIGHT SKIP TAG
frail bison
What is that disgusting border
rocky oar
wow rude
rocky oar
ok then
dull sphinx
bloodstone good
Negative baseball card goes hard
rocky oar
wish me luck
lament mortar
Why does blueprint look like that
floral cedar
Iirc its a mod for gold stickers?
rocky oar
ez
floral cedar
dont quote me on that
rocky oar
yeah im just texturing all my gold stake jokers gold
rocky oar
floral cedar
2 blueprint would have been insane
rocky oar
to bad 2 acrobats
yeah i prob couldve lived without it but for no hearts at least it came in clutch
lament mortar
That’s a cool mod
rocky oar
i am considering just skipping the rest of the time so i can bring this to the final boss ngl
ok yeah doin that
coarse fable
Yellow deck gold stake down. All I have left is red, painted, and zodiac
floral cedar
gl with painted and zodiac
coarse fable
I feel like they'll be easier in this patch than what they would've been previously, but yeah I think those are two of the hardest decks outside of black
floral cedar
I suck at the game, but it took me like multiple hours for gold stake painted alone
livid lantern
I had a very bad time with nebula so im bound to say I think nebula used to be worst
summer nimbus
floral cedar
if only
coarse fable
I know the madness change was intended to make it more strategic, but especially at black stake and above it's just a nerf. I would much rather it scaled on boss blinds as well.
south pendant
Disagree, still winnable
coarse fable
It's still a good joker, but I don't think it needed the change
tulip leaf
I mean, it sorta needed a nerf for black stake+
+1.5x mult an ante is comparable to legendaries
raven vapor
woo new pb
i can't even blame the game on the loss too, that was me skill issuing
raven vapor
lv40 pair new jokerless meta
royal pivot
the new blue seal is insane, it's so much better than the one on the main branch. They are great if you get them early and only focus on one hand type
lvl 45 4oak, ante 8. Thanks blue seal
spiral comet
i got wrecked by the vessel in jokerless
so close
was some bad shop luck, nothing else
summer pine
I still haven't taken madness before, i know getting eternals that are solid with it is just badass, but how does it fair on low stakes?
summer pine
Mhm
tulip leaf
since lategame you can get a +mult
raven vapor
for high stakes it's still a pure nerf
for low stakes debatable
fading jacinth
On white/red stake you could literally go solo Madness if you grab it in Ante 1, at least before this update
faint rain
i mean having it upgrade by x1 mult every ante seems more balanced now, can confirm madness hard carries with planet cards pre-patch
mystic oriole
warm take: bloodstone should probably be nerfed to like an X1.5 mult or maybe X1.75
ancient joker currently gives about X7.59 while bloodstone can give kinda close to that with the average being X5.66 mult each time, although 3 triggers will give you X8 mult and adding in the fact that all sixes can make the bloodstone trigger guaranteed it just makes it not really an uncommon at this point
X1.75 is a pretty reasonable value because 3 triggers will get you X5.36 mult and 2 triggers can get you X3.06 mult which is pretty reasonable for an uncommon
even at 2 triggers it can be better than something like acrobat, you will most often get 2 triggers anyways
which maybe is a reason why it should go to X1.5 potentially
rare elm
Actually I agree, considering onyx agate got nerfed and rough gem is still pretty eh, it would make sense to nerf bloodstone a bit
mystic oriole
yeah the recent buff made it more consistent but did make it a bit too powerful
id love to keep the reliability but it should be nerfed a bit
rare elm
X1.5 feels like the best spot for it
mystic oriole
also i did not know that acrobat was an uncommon i honestly just never take it
i thought it was common
rare elm
It works on some challenges, and maybe black deck
Blast off and golden needle in particular
Rough gem could maybe get some buff
mystic oriole
Yeah, somehow $5 per hand doesn't feel good enough for it, maybe it should get the bloodstone treatment and have it be random chance for a certain amount of money, maybe like 1 in 2 for $3
rare elm
I took it early and it helps u to get econ going but I don't think it is on the same level as 250 chips or 35 mult or x4 mult from bloodstone
mystic oriole
Or 1 in 2 for $2 maybe
mystic oriole
Yeah maybe $3 is good
rare elm
Also bloodstone does the random thing
mystic oriole
Although $15 per hand with sixes is a lot
rare elm
Ticket exists
mystic oriole
True
rare elm
And it's common
raven vapor
buffing rough gem to $2 outright is almost not unreasonable
but what probably happens is other economy cards get nerfed back into shape
because what the fuck is mail in rebate doing
frail bison
gem can be buffed to 3 and it still can't compete with rebate
long breach
Bloodstone's RNG is janky enough I don't think it need further nerf lol
like Misprint, it always betray you when you needed it the most =))
long breach
Castle is really hit or miss
got a favorable discard, it scale very fast
otherwise, it's pretty much useless lol
raven vapor
castle smeared is nutty
otherwise meh
long breach
btw, did Castle work with Smeared Joker?
frail bison
castle smeared is nutty
otherwise meh
i will only take castle with smeared but i will only take smeared if i have castle
it is very sad
long breach
well Smeared is all around good for Flush build, so it's worth taking in early games
frail bison
except flushes suck
long breach
it sucks yes but it's the only reliable hand to get out of the first 2 Ante without Jokers
love it or hate it you'll still have to rely on it every now and then
frail bison
straights !!!
hushed grotto
castle is not that bad if you're willing to use your hands just to find more of the suit
ie high card build lol
south pendant
warm take: bloodstone should probably be nerfed to like an X1.5 mult or maybe X1...
i disagree (reversion back to 1/3 is better i think), if it goes to x1.5 i feel like it would lean into heart / club as the deferred choice for mult.. cause spade / diamond is chips/dollars; is it okay that every suit have a specialization for their respective upgraded sinful joker?
tbh ive used bloodstone a few times, and still 1/2 doesnt seem overpowered tho. ive had plenty of 1/2 chance flushes only return one x2
its so hard to balance a randomized game tho, idk any better
long breach
tbh ive used bloodstone a few times, and still 1/2 doesnt seem overpowered tho. ...
plus retriggers may or may not result in many broken combo. Bloodstone is fine with 1/2, even if Oops All Six can guarantee x2, you still need 2 Jokers for this single buff
it's the same as The Idol x2 on a specific card, it's completely broken once you convert your deck to said single card
btw, I've been wondering for a while, but did anyone test Royal Flush + Straight Flush against The Mouth & The Eye?
rare elm
gem can be buffed to 3 and it still can't compete with rebate
gem can be retriggered, but yeah, overall rebate is more versatile
rare elm
Bloodstone's RNG is janky enough I don't think it need further nerf lol
Eh, I disagree. I had a run with 2 bloodstones since ante 2 and that alone gave me 40k+ per round on average, by the time RNG from bloodstone underperforming mattered I got to manip entire deck to be mostly hearts and was able to just flush house my way to win, even ante 7 head couldn't stop it lol
while 2 onyx agates with level 1-4 flush and even steven (one of the jokers I also had) would give you under 10k
rare elm
btw, I've been wondering for a while, but did anyone test Royal Flush + Straight...
its the same thing in code, royal flush just has different display, I dont expect them to behave differently
frail bison
its the same thing in code, royal flush just has different display, I dont expec...
eye
mouth
card sharp i think
rare elm
?
long breach
its the same thing in code, royal flush just has different display, I dont expec...
the game can tell difference between Royal Flush and Straight Flush, so there's definitely a hidden hand type in this matter. What I'm curious about is if The Mouth and The Eye boss blind will lock you in/out of Straight Flush if you happen to play Royal Flush as your 1st hand, or vice versa
long breach
again, this is for experiment purpose
rare elm
again, I checked the code
long breach
there's no custom deck feature to test that out, someone just had to find a seed for that
long breach
again, I checked the code
two unlocks requires you to play and discard Royal Flush, so the game does check for that hand type
rare elm
two unlocks requires you to play and discard Royal Flush, so the game does check...
how many more proof do you need
long breach
I'm not asking for proof, I'm simply asking if anyone has tested this
we can't argue Royal Flush = Straight Flush if the boss says otherwise lol
somber lava
royal flush is considered a straight flush
long breach
^ again, that's what we proceed as, since there's only one planet
that's why I ask if anyone's tested it against those boss blind (yet)
rare elm
somber lava
there's no need to test we have access to the code
rare elm
and that ^
fervent beacon
+1.5x mult an ante is comparable to legendaries
Ehh true but you're relying on eternal
rare elm
Head?
fervent beacon
no I just didnt have enough hearts or scoring
had to go for it tho
i really suck at gold stake in general
im trying to play slower but it doesnt seem to be helping I just die ante 3 or 4 if I dont get good scaling anyway
what are your win rates for gold on this patch approximately
lavish flicker
Hey! Any news on the motion sickness changes? With all the messages i couldn't keep up 😕
somber lava
"- Added toggle for 'Reduced Motion', removing the swirly background and gyrating card motion"
or something else?
lavish flicker
We talked about it a while ago, including with the dev. He said he would make more changes to it, since for some people it still triggered the motion sickness
rare elm
what are your win rates for gold on this patch approximately
I had pretty high win rate on green red and blue decks, black deck still feels like a wall to me, so now I skipped it to do magic deck and further
mortal sedge
lost a run with bloodstone and 6s in the same shop rip
oh riiiip, I got that on a recent gold stake run, it popped off I think. Or did I die? I don't remember lmao
no I'm pretty sure I won with it.
I remember also picking up the hearts joker alongside it
rare elm
Lusty the moral support
mortal sedge
nah nah, it's dope, bc the +mult happens before the doubling (if you position the jokers correctly)
somber lava
We talked about it a while ago, including with the dev. He said he would make mo...
icic
rare elm
nah nah, it's dope, bc the +mult happens before the doubling (if you position th...
But it does not matter after 1st card
If x2 is guaranteed
From bloodstone
twilit dune
i mean the second card is also kind of relevant right
rare elm
A bit
Depends on hand level
Say you have level 4 flush with 10 mult, it goes 10 - 13 - 26 - 29 - 48.
twilit dune
at high hand level the first one doesn't really matter, either
rare elm
It's Gold stake so I don't expect it very high
twilit dune
as in "there are much better things you could do with that joker slot if you find them"
mortal sedge
hmm
alright, yeah, I see the point now that you've given the numbers
rip lol
ah well, that run is in the past now anyway. I'll try to keep that in mind for future runs where I get that specific synergy lol
modern kiln
Another gold stake win 😎
dire cape
Crazy how Runner+Stencil alone is enough for winning
even brought one joker for gold sticker
new straights are broken
rare elm
Higher level straight does not need the runner
Could have like blue seal and just stencil
dire cape
got no blue seal or telescope the whole run, so thats kinda sad
dire cape
I like the straight buff a lot
rare elm
Straights were already good, now they're broken, lol
dire cape
I never play straight build before, now I go for straights instead of flushes as a go-to hand
dire cape
Straights were already good, now they're broken, lol
it is harder to make straights easier to make, so its balanced imo
for 4 of a kinds and higher, you just dupe one card
for straights, its not that straight forward
ivory mist
For the challenges, the last one currently is not working properly. One of the banned packs is offered in the first shop. Is there were we post issues like that or is it somewhere else?
rare elm
It is a known issue
ivory mist
It is a known issue
Thank you, was not sure where to find it that, looked for a bit then posted.
rare elm
It was reported here and in #1200105253559873707 iirc
But usually experimental bugs are expected to be posted here
Idk if thunk actively checks this thread for bugs tho
But he did ask to post issues here, so that's what I've been doing
modern kiln
Genuine question: Is it just me or is high card still the best thing you can be doing in the game?
hardy rock
High card is still meta, but its less likely to find a high card build early because both perishable and rental are really hard to take early
and bloodstone makes flush very viable
long breach
Genuine question: Is it just me or is high card still the best thing you can be ...
High card and Pair are best scaling hands you pivot to if you get the right Jokers to support them
modern kiln
High card is still meta, but its less likely to find a high card build early bec...
Well yeah, but every build is less likely to find now
long breach
just lost a run with Two Pair build because I didn't manage to get 2 pairs on my final hand lol
modern kiln
In fact, I'd say other builds are more hurt by the new changes than high card imho
long breach
and people say this is a skill issue lol
half of the runs are dictated by what the seed gives you
modern kiln
There's tons of jokers that synergize very well with high card but relatively fewer that work with straights, flushes or 5oak
Like if you're building a flush run and you find a perishable Family you kinda got robbed. And if your x mults are stuff like vampire, constellation and baseball card then you very well could have played a high card build this run
long breach
oh god not the vampire vs. constellation again...
in the expermental build I never pick it up since it's so bad now with 3 nerfs
meanwhile good ol' Constellation just skyrocket
modern kiln
After a certain point the run 1000% comes down to what X mult you get. And high card just has more x mult cards than any other build
They're both great and I don't think I've passed a single non-perishable Constellation or Vampire
long breach
nah, I'd argue that you have a much harder time to scale new Vampire now
Baseball Card incompatible means you lose out on free 1.5x as well
modern kiln
nah, I'd argue that you have a much harder time to scale new Vampire now
Ive been running a lot of Vampire and winning with it basically every time I picked it up
I still think it's a great card just not game-breaking
Organizing the x mult jokers in the game by how much they care about high card; thoughts?
(high card here means high card / pair / two pair and possibly 3oak)
hardy rock
Organizing the x mult jokers in the game by how much they care about high card; ...
Black board can be taken on ante 7/8 if you happen to be able to float a club/spade tarot, or are in clubs/spade flush. Ramen is also very usable in flush builds.
Liscence is probably better in flushes than not, since flushes love on play effects the value of enhancing cards inside your heart flush is very high relatively.
Acrobat is better for flushes than high card but that's not exactly the scale so its fine. I would move photograph to bad, as well. You need pluto to the MOON to play it, same with pair its just +1 mult per planet.
club+non club for pair builds is actually very good, i would put it higher but you're also mentioning high card so idk. Flower pot + splash with high card is a thing, idk how to feel tho 2 joker spaces for a x3 is like barely worth it.
modern kiln
To win a run you roughly need:
A source of chips
~30-60 mult
Quite a few x Mult sources
With that in mind why would you ever run anything else when most sources of x Mult don't care what hand you're playing and a few get much much better if you're playing a low value hand?
modern kiln
Black board can be taken on ante 7/8 if you happen to be able to float a club/sp...
I'll be honest, I probably am more scared of Seeing Double than I should be
Liscence is probably better in flushes than not, since flushes love on play effects the value of enhancing cards inside your heart flush is very high relatively.
Alternatively, not having to use the suit-changing tarot cards means you get to have a lot more of your tarot packs be converted into enhanced cards, no? + Marble Joker is essentially free in setting Driver's License up
The big point is that we have exactly 5 times mult cards that require you to be playing a hand better than 3oak. And most builds only get one of these exclusive jokers
I think we need more cards like The Family, The Tribe or The Order to encourage us to play higher scoring hands rather than the lower ones
There's a lot of stuff that makes me say "I wanna do a flush / full house / straight" build early on but very very few stuff I see on the shop makes me go "time to lock in flush / full house / 4oak / straight rather than go high card"
rare elm
Organizing the x mult jokers in the game by how much they care about high card; ...
Why does madness prefer hc
Low hands have low mult scaling, I feel like madness prefers smth like straights
silent temple
All the jokers that care about other builds die I guess
modern kiln
You need eternal jokers for madness to pop off and you really can't be picky with these in a madness run so high card is more consistent
rare elm
Yes so straights are more consistent?
modern kiln
I can see the argument for that
fervent beacon
what are your win rates on new gold stake so far
modern kiln
what are your win rates on new gold stake so far
On runs that it escapes ante 1/2, I'd say ~25% win rate
If not a little higher
fervent beacon
it takes me like an hour per completion lol
modern kiln
fair lol
fervent beacon
i tried to make a flush house build with vagabond burglar early work but I didnt get any econ tarots from vagabond
vagabond was perishable
rare elm
Another run got carried by bloodstone
sock and buskin + bloodstone
had photograph early, but it was perishable, then I switched to glass cards, and managed to survive long enough til bloodstone appeared, from then it was an easy W
fervent beacon
the only runs I get far on are just stacking scaling jokers like I did before
wide grove
woot blue deck gold stake ✅
done w Red, Blue, Black, Nebula, Ghost, Abandoned, Checkered, Zodiac, Anaglyph, Plasma, Erratic
floral cedar
rip
fervent beacon
yeah i need to stop taking rental jokers early even if they're tempting
astral kayak
yeah i need to stop taking rental jokers early even if they're tempting
just hit a scalable econ joker w blueprint and farm money to make up for rental
mortal sedge
ngl I hold R if my first boss is the Pillar
just sucks, I don't want to face it on ante 1
... and I feel like maybe this is irrational. Like, could it really debuff as many cards as one of the anti-suit bosses (against one of the non-altered decks)?
floral cedar
I mean it doesnt matter if you get + multi
mortal sedge
yeah
floral cedar
also if you one shot both rounds you play less than the 13 suits a suit disabling boss does
so if you play flushes to win then it is a better boss
mortal sedge
idk if one-shotting the big blind is consistent
in fact I doubt it is, unless you do find a +mult joker
hushed grotto
You need a 4oak to oneshot big blind
mortal sedge
or straight flush
mortal sedge
unless you also don't see a planet...
floral cedar
then thats just unlucky, but even then thats just 15 cards disabled vs 13
for 2 hands, which is pretty likely (probably)
mortal sedge
yes, but on the other hand, if you've played good enough hands to win both blinds with 15 cards (~3 hands most likely) then you've probably played your good cards
a number of things can beat the small blind pretty easily, like a flush or a full house with high ranking cards, but those are the cards that'll show up disabled against the pillar
you can play 4oak aces against the big blind, if you want all your aces to be disabled against the pillar... but that doesn't sound like a good time to me
floral cedar
I see what you are saying
but if you dont get a SINGLE good planet/plus multi or even something like icecream for + chips thats unlucky
rocky oar
does baseball card work off debuffed jokers? trying to decide if i should skip right to the boss blinds
floral cedar
also skipping exists, and is SUPER good early with new update
mortal sedge
it won't work on debuffed jokers, no
think of baseball card as basically giving your uncommon jokers polychrome
if they're debuffed jokers, the polychrome won't trigger
mortal sedge
also skipping exists, and is SUPER good early with new update
skipping is tricky on ante 1, idk. If you skip small blind, then you can still get the money from big blind but your odds of clearing it in one hand are... bad. And you definitely can't get the voucher from the shop after beating the first small blind, so if you are deciding to skip big blind, then you're also deciding to lose out on the first voucher (which could be pretty good, but you'd at least have seen it by the time you make the decision)
floral cedar
I mean I dont try and 1 shot big blind
mortal sedge
yeah me neither lol
floral cedar
Like since holographic tags makes the joker free, skipping small blind for that is insanely good imo
as long as you win the "risk" and beat the big blind you just win the next 2 antes hopefully, unless the joker is rental in which case you cry
rocky oar
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-
floral cedar
@rocky oar what gold sticker legendary do you not have?
that way we can know what legendary it is
floral cedar
XD then its any of them ig
floral cedar
ok then
Idk how your build is, but bloodstone would mean an instant win, the best legendary to get is probably Canio
since as long as you get 1 hanged man thats 3x multi and you have less cards in deck
coarse fable
I like Triboulet as a legendary as well, very easy to manipulate the deck towards kings and queens. Plus sock and buskin and/or hanging chad makes it very broken
floral cedar
true
but in their scenario with them being ante 8 and the fact that they have eternal pants makes me think Canio is better atm
"-the fact that they have eternal pants-" I love Balatro so much
coarse fable
With baseball card though Trib could get you super high scores. I think either would be great
mortal sedge
one thing that makes me slightly dissatisfied with the legendary jokers is that 2 of them are severely nerfed in abandoned deck
floral cedar
Trib might be better for endless, but Canio for the free gold stake win
mortal sedge
they're not outright useless, but they are much less easy to use
coarse fable
one thing that makes me slightly dissatisfied with the legendary jokers is that ...
unless you get pareidolia
mortal sedge
in which case... one of them regains its use?
floral cedar
even then Triboulet is still horrible
mortal sedge
triboulet*
floral cedar
and Canio just becomes broken if you get enough cards
mb, Ive been doing bug hunting with troubador 😅
mortal sedge
how do you guys feel about that one legendary that I can't remember the name of
chicot
floral cedar
I have only gotten it once, and I won
mortal sedge
that's not terribly surprising
it does remove a lot of the challenge
chicot is weird, because like... idk, I think it's interesting in a way, but I also think it's incredibly boring
like, it's interesting that a joker has that ability, because it's kind of an unexpected ability, but I also think that ability is maybe bad for the gameplay experience?
you could sell it, but who the heck gets rid of a legendary joker? you're almost ALWAYS going to sell a joker just to make room for it if you have to
floral cedar
Id need to play more with it
I think it would be funny if it stacked with copying jokers and being duplicated
mortal sedge
how would that work
floral cedar
for some effects atleast