It's also rather bad now with the new patch imho
#1.0.1c Experimental
modern kiln
floral cedar
actually jimbo isnt joker, they are 2 different people 
modern kiln
The Sin Jokers only give a total of +15 mult, the same as an Abstract, which is rather myah
Fully building around that seems a bit risky
floral cedar
do space joker till you are struggling
eager yoke
they give it before steel cards avtivate tho
summer pine
hand mult is more valuable than joker mult
formal crystal
The sin joker nerf was undeserved but probably healthy for new players
modern kiln
I'm aware
hardy rock
yah the commons aren't that great anymore but there's plenty of others.
floral cedar
since it makes you go through the list of 
and 
2x as fast
hollow cloud
suffering from success.....
formal crystal
"Abandoned"
eager yoke
i just had a good run w a clubs joker and i only sold it late in the run. to be fair i had most my cards converted to clubs + trading card got rid of my non-clubs
hollow cloud
oh lmao then the first hand doesnt get a single face down card i am just too good at this game i think
summer pine
well you can see the url
modern kiln
oh lmao then the first hand doesnt get a single face down card i am just too goo...
actual god gamer
hollow cloud
AND I GET TWO SPACE JOKER PROCS ON MY FIVE OF A KIND???WHAT THE FUCK
THE ANAGLYPH GODS HAVE BLESSED ME FOR ALWAYS BELIEVINFG ON THE POWER OF BLIND SKIPPING
summer pine
THE ANAGLYPH GODS HAVE BLESSED ME FOR ALWAYS BELIEVINFG ON THE POWER OF BLIND SK...
anaglyph is an anagram for "anal phyg", food for thought
eager yoke
just like that chess guy...
hollow cloud
even being 2 in 4 will not stop wheel of fortune from failing...keep in mind, i have cast 5 wheels of fortune since getting Oops all 6!
I got ONE proc. on chaos the clown.
shy lance
hmmm.... I'm working on a new video, and in the process of it I feel like Vampire being rare in its current state is just wrong.
It is literally the only rare joker that gains xmult by an effect that doesn't reset. Every other joker that gains xmult in some way is uncommon or legendary and all the rare ones have a reset condition.
the rare ones are
Hit the road (gains from discarding jacks, resets at end of round)
Campire (gains from selling cards, resets after boss blind)
Obelisk (against from playing different hands from your most played, resets by playing most played)
and now vampire, which acts like all the uncommon ones and just gain from some condition being met with no reset condition.
Which less makes me want to see Vampire pushed back to uncommon and wonder if it would be more interesting/fun to bump vampire back up a bit, maybe half way to +.15 mult and add a condition that if Vampire doesn't drink within so many plays, it loses all of its power (vampire is a thirsty little guy :P) so it has a reset condition to match with the other rare jokers lol.
obviously midas still makes this condition fairly trivial to activate, but even if you moved it back up to .2 then taking it on every run could be dangerous because if you can't keep enough bonus cards in your plays to keep Vampire fed it would lose its bonus and boom reset.
Just some thoughts I'm having while I'm working on a video about the vamp lol.
hollow cloud
hmmm.... I'm working on a new video, and in the process of it I feel like Vampir...
baseball card's a rare and doesnt reset
shy lance
baseball card's a rare and doesnt reset
it doesn't grow
hollow cloud
it can grow by getting uncommon jokers
shy lance
I'm talking about the ones that gain xmult by doing specific things
shy lance
it can grow by getting uncommon jokers
it can trigger more from having more, but it doesn't grow.
neon totem
Bloodstone + Oops All 6's 
shy lance
It was actually a funny process because earlier while scripting I defended the rare change, and now later on I'm just sitting here going through things and going.... wait... one of these things isn't like the others lol.
hollow cloud
MORE NEGATIVES
at this point do i try to strenght my 10s into aces and transition to that or do i just treat it like extra swashbuckler brownie points
eager yoke
new player, but having used ouiji twice, it feels bad (the -1 hand size hurts)
hollow cloud
new player, but having used ouiji twice, it feels bad (the -1 hand size hurts)
yeah but its what must be done to balance it giving you such easy access to 5 of a kinds
eager yoke
fair
formal crystal
Uh, no?
jade egret
hopefully we may see joker barks in an experimental in the future 👀https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1225963081952395374
hollow cloud
chaos the clown,you served me well...its time you go.
here's the seed for yall
imma go endless
NOW THATS A LOTTA SPECTRALS
WAHOOO
oh yeah and im also getting two tarots for each
pretty bonkers
LMAO THE MOMENT I USE JUDGEMENT ONCE I GET TO NEGATIVE MY BOOSTER PACK THIS SEED IS SO INSANE
this run only gets more insane with time
okay.there's...gotta be something i cut for this.
maybe its space jokers time to go?
(i was using seltzer to scale lucky cat faster)
but i could also just..sell it too.
...yeah,sounds about right ill sell seltzer.
man i always seem to run out of steam at ante 12....
ggs.
ill get plasma deck done and then indulge myself on some modded balatro some cool ass mods seem to have been made since i last checked - honestly alchemy cards seem straight out of base game imo,incredible design
me when
Me when high card
rare elm
it can grow by getting uncommon jokers
and can reset by getting rid of uncommon jokers!
hollow cloud
and can reset by getting rid of uncommon jokers!
truuue
shy lance
and can reset by getting rid of uncommon jokers!
it should be obvious what I mean by growing 😛
and resetting 😛
you know with the actual xmult number on the card changing 😛
spiral comet
known
primal furnace
heard, deleting :]
floral cedar
I had an easy win with high card build, until I realized my ride the bus was perishable
had stuntman, burglar, and a polychrome joker all eternal
hushed grotto
Mfw im riding the bus and it suddenly just crashes
rare elm
it should be obvious what I mean by growing 😛
it was a joke 🫡
shy lance
it was a joke 🫡
I figured but I wanted to make sure. I'm hoping all my 😛 faces in my posts were obvious enough i was being playful with my responses lol
grim pike
😛
third gold stake win overall, second on the beta. It really is so much more fun now, just feels more like a puzzle than just hoping for luck
stone joker was on 375 chips and square was on 264, red card was just for foil really 🙂
got hanging chad right near the end and it was so good with the stone cards, getting 150 from a single one (and 300 from the stone foil I got from a standard pack)
twilit dune
i was like "wheres your mult" and then realized its pleck
new hanging chad is amazing
heady bear
its really good once you get more enhanced cards
ya get that +4 mult two more times
that 1.5x is even better too
twilit dune
most of the retriggers can do 5 in a hand but need way more setup
hanging chad just does your best card twice which seems better a lot of the time
coarse fable
Black deck gold stake done. Really loving the new changes to orange and gold stake. They make different builds so much more viable at those stakes
This was my jonkler setup as well. Got campfire in ante 7 at literally the perfect time for it to carry me across the finish line. Constellation was at x2.5, and it felt damn good to win gold stake playing a flush build
dull sphinx
got a new high score pb. e13 w/ bloodstone, buskin, dice, & seltzer. new bloodstone kinda good lol
wide grove
Zodiac Orange Stake ✅ on new beta
let's see how gold sits
rentals aren't really a prob when ur economy is this good
but it's 28% to find a non stickered joker in a shop that's mostly tarot 😐
hollow cloud
but it's 28% to find a non stickered joker in a shop that's mostly tarot 😐
guaranteed buffoon pack yay
coarse fable
What deck should I gold stake next? I've done blue, green, black, magic, ghost, abandoned, plasma, and erratic
coarse fable
<@604124852982513676> what're you thinking? i'll run it w you
I'm already up to green on anaglyph
But I'm down for anything
wide grove
i'm done w Red Black Nebula Ghost Abanadoned Checkered Zodiac Erratic
coarse fable
Sorry, black on anaglyph
wide grove
i'm only red on anaglyph but i can try to speed run it
coarse fable
It usually doesn't start getting difficult until blue for me lol
coarse fable
Yeah I'm guessing anaglyph will be broken in this patch because of free jonklers
wide grove
so far my conclusion re: zodiac deck on new gold stake is that economy is way too easy so rental jokers are a joke
we begun
bootstraps in first pack. guess it's an econ run
investment tag soon?\
yep
coarse fable
Why have I gotten sixth sense from the last two judgment cards I've used
What is the game trying to tell me
twilit dune
is lucky cat secretly really good now?
twilit dune
i mean yeah its not like
old vampire
twilit dune
i mean
it seems fine to me
plasma exists already
formal crystal
It's pretty balanced
coarse fable
black stake anaglyph done, @wide grove you better catch up XD
formal crystal
Anaglyphs actual buff was early game being easier
wide grove
black stake anaglyph done, <@1223268287563956267> you better catch up XD
u were already on black lol
i'm halfway thru green
coarse fable
Anaglyphs actual buff was early game being easier
Very true
coarse fable
u were already on black lol
Now the real fun begins: -1 discard
twilit dune
it feels like i made bad choices most of my losses now which is great
wide grove
ok but to be fair i just got negative pareidolia and business card lol
need to skip faster
coarse fable
dying in ante 6 is a lot more fun
Especially at the highest stakes, this is the biggest change in feeling for me. I'm no longer just accepting a death in the first two antes. The easier early game helps more runs at least get off the ground
twilit dune
im still going through purple stakes but its definitely noticably different
excited to finally get to the new stickers soon
formal crystal
Yeah, even if my win rate is the same, it feels like I have a lot more choices
twilit dune
(i'm going through the stakes horizontally rather than vertically like most people here seem to)
coarse fable
Yeah, even if my win rate is the same, it feels like I have a lot more choices
And rng definitely plays less of a factor on gold stake, or it least in a different way
twilit dune
the only orange stake ive played, which was on red deck to unlock erratic, was bad (pre-patch)
coarse fable
the only orange stake ive played, which was on red deck to unlock erratic, was b...
Orange and gold were just... not fun sometimes
twilit dune
iirc the win was something totally dumb
i looked at my jokers and apparently both chaos and jimbo were in the winning build
somehow
coarse fable
About to take the new vampire, and I am ready to be disappointed
twilit dune
i think i had a dna that was duping red seal polychrome cards or something
coarse fable
Yup, got hit with the wall in the early game and the only other joker I had was Vagabond
So not vamp's fault
coarse fable
lol you been medusa'd
coarse fable
I'm almost done with blue
wide grove
dammit
coarse fable
Idk if I'm going to make it. Fortune teller is only at like +28
It's joever. Man I still hate vv
@wide grove where u at
coarse fable
black stake?
coarse fable
I honestly have not gotten one yet
coarse fable
lol yeah
wide grove
tbh i'm just clicking buttons
this run is ovah
LOL jesus
my 4th neg tag
there's a swash in there
coarse fable
Buffed swash is good
wide grove
oh no one random joker disabled
i have 11
hope it's ok
spoilers: it's ok
k blue for me now
also the look-ahead is huge now for anaglyph
coarse fable
Yeah all the QOL improvements are excellent
coarse fable
Looks to be going well
wide grove
coarse fable
I had to take a break to eat some dinner, but I'm back at it. You may actually beat me on blue
wide grove
i keep waiting for temperance lol
mighty plinth
Need stickers on the left side 🙂
coarse fable
The game has given me shortcut in my last two runs. I like straights more now for sure, but it's still hard to get a straight run through the middgame sometimes
wide grove
my best straight runs were on nebula
bc the new upgrades are beefy
ugh. bad skips in last round \
and violet vessel
need xmult
bink
not gonna be enough to beat the vessel though
ok new better plan
dumped my eggs and swash to pick up stencil
gg
coarse fable
Mayyybe I can make a straight flush run outta this. I don't know why I took eternal flash card
wide grove
look at all those unused tagz
pair ended at level 22 lol
i used my early tags on upgrade pair
purple time 🟣
wide grove
Mayyybe I can make a straight flush run outta this. I don't know why I took eter...
eternal flash card works as long as those tags go towards econ
but if u don't get right skips/voucher...
coarse fable
but if u don't get right skips/voucher...
Yeah I died
Didn't get econ going in time
wide grove
i got it midway and was boned
coarse fable
Just finished my collection as well on this run 🙂
wide grove
ay!
i have quite the collection of double tags now
to go with my... uh
money
was praying for negative tag lol
none all run
BUT
there is still a chance
LOL i'm gonna take 8 spectral packs
nah actually have a way more fun plan
just rolled verdant joker while holding an invisible joker in hand 😂
gg purple stake 🙂
solar oriole
I'm not a mod or anything, but this channel is for feedback on the beta I think, and I see a lot of people posting generally neat things in the game but not related to the beta
wide grove
fair enough. my feedback earlier was more relevant - was trying to level up all decks to test orange/gold changes
livid lantern
I think the beta is pretty good
formal crystal
Neat things that you can do with the changes are certainly things related to the update
summer pine
Yes, though I think feedback in the form of something that could potentially inform about how to finalize the patch is the goal of the channel
formal crystal
Ah yeah
summer pine
neat things, coupled with thoughts about those things, seem perfectly welcome
wide grove
all my current feedback excitement about anaglyph is:
negative tag + anaglyph is now broken
livid lantern
I think good feedback would be to signify what mult bootstraps is on since it adds more time trying to figure out calculations
summer pine
provided you find it
summer pine
I think good feedback would be to signify what mult bootstraps is on since it ad...
that is in the patch
summer pine
so I mean, you're not wrong lol
coarse fable
@wide grove blue stake done for me. onto purple
wide grove
purple done, on to orange 😄
coarse fable
dang you will beat me on this one
wide grove
no i will prob go to bed lol
actually i will indeed go to bed. but if you don't beat it tn i will get u tmrw LOL
coarse fable
ah well ggs. I might stay up but if I hit a wall I will also likely go to bed
wide grove
gg gg and gl all! keep the feedback coming
wide grove
all my current feedback excitement about anaglyph is:
negative tag + anaglyph i...
lmk if ppl agree w this
coarse fable
I feel like the new tag mechanics for jokers just make anaglyph OP in general
floral cedar
It definitely makes anaglyph better when it didnt need to be
Until every negative joker you get is rental and/or perishable
summer pine
I think anaglyph appreciates the buff
tags being its whole gimmick, while also being terrible, was a bit rough sometimes
devout jackal
just out of curiosity, will bootstrap apply a negative mult if I'm in debt
summer pine
I don't believe so
I think it displays as such though
I know stencil does the same, where it shows a negative number but still just acts as x1
devout jackal
I saw it displaying a negative value
but I didn't try that, I sold it becuz I want to survive
coarse fable
welp the plant prevented me from going past ante 12 in my perkeo death run
it was tough to keep the deck thin too because I wanted to scale holo
floral cedar
rip
coarse fable
But I had a perkeo run that got me scoring hundreds of millions on four of a kind, that was fun
floral cedar
I hate plants
Its crazy how different the new gold stake feels
And how even with that I still cant beat gold stake painted deck
cause every time I get a good combo the jokers are perishable
coarse fable
the perishable and rental mechanics are really fun
livid lantern
I hate plants
Wtf did nature do to you?
floral cedar
me and them dont mix
formal crystal
My updated joker tier list
floral cedar
the perishable and rental mechanics are really fun
They are fun, it just ruins so many of my combos 😭, so Ill have great early game and then jokers perish and I cant find stuff to replace and die
autumn egret
My updated joker tier list
i'm guessing this is for ante 8 gold stake?
summer pine
idk how walkie talkie outranks baron
floral cedar
lol
autumn egret
he values communication 😏
silent temple
Pareidolia is begging to get owned by a boss blind
summer pine
also howtf is satellite in bottom of C while golden and cloud 9 are in top of A
just buy 3 planets
summer pine
lmao
formal crystal
Baron is strong, but only if you can set it up
Walkie talkie functions as an above average early card
satellite is in C because it starts at 0, scaling it is harder than blast off/cloud 9 and also scaling it doesn't also improve anything else
floral cedar
The only yime Ive had a good satellite build was when I got it shop one with polychrome
and I still lost, though I forgor why
faint hinge
My updated joker tier list
No way vampire is still in A
glacial dawn
vampire is still good
fading jacinth
vamp is downgraded from OP to decent
solar oriole
8 Ball Joker should have a 3 out of 8 chance to give tarot card, because 8 appears in the ratio, and 3 looks kind of like an 8, and also because the Joker is still weak and needs a buff
or a 5 out of 8 chance
outer cypress
why the heck did this cloud 9 show up? i had no foil tag
fading jacinth
jokers can spawn with enhancements naturally
outer cypress
they take priority over tags? thats wack
fading jacinth
edition tags only work on jokers that are not already editioned.
outer cypress
right, i know that, just didnt know the order of how it spawned stuff
tawdry moth
right, i know that, just didnt know the order of how it spawned stuff
Rare/Uncommon Tags will forace the spawn of a rare or uncommon. If not applicable, the shop will spawn random contents. If any base edition jokers are available, edition tags will apply to the next one.
outer cypress
ahh interesting, kinda unfortunate sometimes though i guess
rare elm
right, i know that, just didnt know the order of how it spawned stuff
The skip tags activate from bottom to top, and what GLUK was trying to say if joker is NOT base edition, edition tag will apply to the next one in the queue.
So in your case foil edition was natural, and since edition tags don't override natural editions, it will apply to the next joker, that isn't editioned
modern kiln
Certificate feels like cheating it's soooo goood now
modern kiln
Having 2 blue seals at end of round is crazy
Double as good as burnt joker in terms of scaling, + if you get campfire it's straight fuel
Out of the certificate spawns half of them scale you (Purple/Blue seal), gold seal gives you money and red seals can be crazy with the right enhancements (from the purple ones)
- Certificate creates after you draw your starting 8 cards meaning you start with 9 cards, increasing your chance of opening a pair or 3oak
Get an early Certificate, let it around for a few antes and then you have an insanely strong and high scaling deck and then you can sell Certificate for a better joker while keeping the god deck
modern kiln
Out of the certificate spawns half of them scale you (Purple/Blue seal), gold se...
If you have a hand that one shots then playing a gold seal high card is just profit (-1$ from played hand, +3$ from its effect, 2$ profit + digs deeper for purple/blue seals)
3/4rths of them are super good for generating value between money, tarot cards and always relevant planet cards and the 4rth one is red seal
Certificate has become one of my favorite jokers now, it's so awesome and fun
@frail bison
Certificate is one of the most buffed cards this patch despite not being directly buffed it feels great now
steep spruce
hanging chad is so good now
modern kiln
Tru, also a great buff
hushed grotto
what's with every single joker that has to do with straights being clumped into the tiny D and F tiers on that list 😭
frail bison
I got a really good superposition run yest
it was so good i even had an extra slot for 2 useless jokers
(invis and head)
steep spruce
hanging chad is so good now
I just hit 50k early ante 3 from hanging chad making lucky proc for mult twice
And I used up all my luck between that and a mult and gold proc before I find lucky cat
tawny light
Will say, with the magician change I think the lovers is probably in need of the same treatment, as it kinda is underwhelming compared to other enhancement tarots
I am absolutely loving how this pack changes the stakes, and many of the joker changes feel much better and more streamlined
steep spruce
I wish there was a way to undo
Like I have a diet cola and forgot to sell it beofre taking the tag
sudden pine
glitch, probs a negative joker that i got from a skip, is a red back decal instead of the same one as others.
spiral comet
glitch, probs a negative joker that i got from a skip, is a red back decal inste...
that’s a duplicated joker from invis/anhk, known issue
thick rock
it's crazy how much the stake changes improve the feel of going up the stakes, I've been really enjoying all the new effects and how they change the strategy
coarse fable
New bloodstone is seriously op
lament mortar
Blood for the bloodstone
coarse fable
@wide grove I'm onto orange stake on anaglyph now
formal crystal
what's with every single joker that has to do with straights being clumped into ...
Shortcut got bumped up in the D tier, the problem is straights can't be made consistently outside of abandoned deck, and the utility jokers are quite weak. Runner is probably the only decent straight card right now cause you don't have to consistently play straights with it
hardy rock
I forgot certificate was indirectly buffed
its still pretty bad but the potential for blue seal is like the big payout
though tarot also is pretty great
formal crystal
It's probably a lot better if you get it early
You don't want to carry it into ante 8 obviously
twilit dune
wasnt certificate already kinda good
seals are awesome
not having 1/4 be duds makes them amazing
lament mortar
Certificate is goated as long as you don’t get it past like ante 5
twilit dune
id still consider it w fibonacci lol
5/13 to get a good number and for purple/blue seals holding/discarding is good anyways
with strength 4 and 7 are also ok ranks
a lot of times w fib i just flood whatever i can find and thin other ranks
lament mortar
Hack + Fib + Wee goes hard
twilit dune
fib is nice w 2 pair or fh imo
dull sphinx
did anyone else get a problem with the tutorial replaying
i had it happen yesterday.
lament mortar
The game was keeping you on your toes
twilit dune
i mean ofc if u actually have the wee or whatever then deck flood gets worse but u usually dont
dull sphinx
lmao
twilit dune
hack + wee by itself is almost game winningly strong
dull sphinx
where u get mult w/ wee and hack
idk why but i cant win with wee joker lol.
also yeah the chip scaling is insane
lament mortar
That’s the almost part, you still need a decent mult joker
dull sphinx
i just feel like i find hack underwhelming at first cuz it doesnt do much without seals and enhancements
but yeah midgame and get some good seals and stuff and it goes off
twilit dune
isnt gold the only seal it works with?
ofc good editions and enhancements are incredible
glacial dawn
gold's the only seal it works with because the others don't trigger on played cards
twilit dune
i mean the best is definitely the scalers that care abt played cards
which are wee and lucky cat right?
round plume
i got lucky cat to like X19 last night
retrigger + red seal + oops all 6s
the magician buff was huge
edgy creek
How?
lament mortar
Anaglyph + negative tags most likely
errant oasis
Whenll the 1.0.1 update be released? I cant wait
teal robin
Whenll the 1.0.1 update be released? I cant wait
you can play it right now, just right click the game in steam, click properties > betas and click the drop down windows and select public_experimental
south pendant
you can play it right now, just right click the game in steam, click properties ...
they could be console tho, but yeah; you can test it on pc 🙂
shell mortar
Unpopular opinion, Gold Stake may be TOO easy now. Every run that has made it past Ante 1 I have ended up winning.
teal robin
they could be console tho, but yeah; you can test it on pc 🙂
true, didnt even think of that
south pendant
Unpopular opinion, Gold Stake may be TOO easy now. Every run that has made it pa...
i never played gold prepatch, but i won after two tries in the new patch. struggling with organe in plasma tho
i struggle in general, im not the best player D:
errant oasis
you can play it right now, just right click the game in steam, click properties ...
Thank you my
friend
hardy rock
constalation with new blue seal goes HARD
dull sphinx
Unpopular opinion, Gold Stake may be TOO easy now. Every run that has made it pa...
I must be bad. I can’t win for shit lol
autumn egret
Unpopular opinion, Gold Stake may be TOO easy now. Every run that has made it pa...
this is kind of how i felt, but idk how much of it is attributed to the consistency of runs making it past ante 1, and how much of it is the game actually being easier
like just having more options feels better but it isn't necessarily an easier game as a result
the difficulty before was more tedious rather than hard
hardy rock
does anyone know if this iwll still trigger foil?
ill test it for science but this image seems to not make sense no matter how it works
well, i guess if the foil doesn't work it does make sense nvm
It does NOT work okay, so i guess that's fine since the red X on the card converys that mostly
it having its foil shine though is slightly confusing since abilities and foil are like, hard to parse together
shell mortar
This actually is a really good point, I think that an x should be added over the foil OR simply remove the foil reminder text in a case like this to help clarify this.
fleet thorn
brittle bones
fleet thorn
this is kind of how i felt, but idk how much of it is attributed to the consiste...
i think purple stake is actively harder some of the time, gold stake is not. BUT I agree that it feels so much more open
autumn egret
i think purple stake is actively harder some of the time, gold stake is not. BUT...
lemme just clarify what you mean, do you mean the difficulty spikes harder going from blue to purple, than it does going from orange to gold?
fleet thorn
lemme just clarify what you mean, do you mean the difficulty spikes harder going...
as in, the spike from blue to purple is now about as severe as it was previously but the spike from purple to gold feels way less severe than before
the severity now is different though
in the way it's spiking
coarse fable
New orange stake made a hologram run plausible. I could afford packs, and it felt glorious
floral cedar
modern kiln
tough choice
floral cedar
I swear specifically painted deck gold stake is impossible
also I skipped both cause ouija kings + parking
modern kiln
I'm also with painted sitting with orange cleared, beating gold on it is pretty hard
floral cedar
pareidolia 🤑
modern kiln
W
floral cedar
NO I GOT CANIO BUT I SOLD PAREIDOLIA FOR THE SOUL CAUSE IT WAS PERISHABLE
this run is looking good 👀
6 million
FINALLYYYYYYYYYY
modern kiln
Massive W!
spiral comet
canio win w
autumn egret
as in, the spike from blue to purple is now about as severe as it was previously...
yeah, i agree with this. i thought i remembered seeing a thunk post about how this isn't inherently a bad thing, and orange should feel like a higher spike than gold, but i can't find the post and i don't want to put words in his mouth
that being said, i think it's smart having gold difficulty spike just being a cherry on top of an already challenging difficulty scale...though it might be a bit too easy in its current state
i think it's interesting how many people i've seen ask to turn the frequency of joker stickers down, but i think, as a difficulty modifier, it's in a great spot
autumn egret
FINALLYYYYYYYYYY
let's go!!!!!!! lookin good 😎
i think i spent more time on painted gold than any other
felt like i relearned how to play balatro through it
floral cedar
lol
Anaglyph deck feels like child's play, though also only blue stake and used a bug for 2x orbital tag worth
floral cedar
every suit changer except clubs...
floral cedar
I never get ankh when I want it ig
floral cedar
Mr bones sticker for memes
floral cedar
I litterally had that same sinerio without the bp and brainstorms
actually wait maybe it was something else
my brain is not braining rn
wide grove
ok y'all we're back. testing orange stake on Anaglyph
yesterday we determined double tag negative was busted up thru purple stake. maybe w perishable it's not so ez
frail bison
where would we be without this rigorous testing
wide grove
where would we be without this rigorous testing
white stake
floral cedar
Idk how you get so lucky satori
I havent gotten a negtive tag in the later antes with anaglyph deck
wide grove
i save all the tags til i hit it generally
my purple stake run i didn't end up using any of my tags actually
floral cedar
thats what I try and do
and then around ante 6 Im barely alive and get orbital tag, and its like I cant NOT take it
wide grove
well we'll see how orange goes
coarse fable
well we'll see how orange goes
I'm on gold stake anaglyph now 
wide grove
I'm on gold stake anaglyph now <:egg:1185774071150018580>
hahaha u stayed up?
floral cedar
they said they would until they hit a wall
frail bison
The wall
coarse fable
hahaha u stayed up?
nah I got there earlier this morning
floral cedar
Well thats good
wide grove
just starting for the day now
if this run doesn't work out... we'll see
nah we're good
Anaglyph Orange ✅
on to gold @coarse fable
steel scaffold
my mind becomes sad when the free joker is not free to keep and becomes a rental perishable 
rental eternals are even more painful to see
wide grove
WELL
that was wayyyyyy too close
but: anaglyph gold stake DONE @coarse fable
again confirming my thoughts on this patch - negative skip is pretty OP, even on the high stakes. saved the run
thick rock
I thought negative skip didn't give a free joker, but I guess I read the patchnotes wrong
seems a bit strong, especially with anaglyph
autumn egret
but: anaglyph gold stake DONE <@604124852982513676>
gratz dude! you've got one heck of a loadout there lol
autumn egret
seems a bit strong, especially with anaglyph
anaglyph lookin like a S tier deck on the new patch
i personally think yellow deck is more consistent at getting wins, but anaglyph def has higher highs
wide grove
gratz dude! you've got one heck of a loadout there lol
trying plasma now, still need to level it up tho
i feel like that's a deck that did not get buffed
autumn egret
it probably didn't need a buff hahah
surprisingly it's a bit trickier to gold stake than meets the eye
wide grove
plasma is?
autumn egret
yeah, since you're largely more reliant on chips than mult in the midgame
playing to either a giga mult wincon or a decent chip scaler
wide grove
yea that's what i mean
it did not get buffed on the high stakes
other decks are easier now on high stakes (i think anaglpyh is)
autumn egret
for sure, though i don't think it needed a buff since it was relatively strong already
dull sphinx
most jokers ive ever had. anaglyph might be my favorite now lmao
autumn egret
bro is building a deck of jokers lol
floral cedar
the thing is I was already playing lots of anaglyphs do to bug hunting 😭
dull sphinx
got double ancient too w/ new chad. that build literally plays itself for all of the antes if u can also get some planets
wide grove
new chad is actually super good
autumn egret
i ducking love new chad
floral cedar
atleast it gives me an excuse to use my double orbital tag bug
wide grove
bloodstone, photograph
autumn egret
chad lucky is awesome for that early econ chance too
autumn egret
loool
autumn egret
to be fair, that's pretty highroll but sheeesh
wide grove
well sure i'm just speedrunning rn
still only black stake, just leveling up each deck
autumn egret
o hell yeah
floral cedar
now get stuntman
autumn egret
lmao my ass was like "wow tagless polychrome blueprint from first skip"
wide grove
YESSSS i got the NEGG
dull sphinx
i think i got a poly blueprint on 1.0 and literally couldnt buy it lmao
autumn egret
ITS TIMEEE
wide grove
fervent beacon
Unpopular opinion, Gold Stake may be TOO easy now. Every run that has made it pa...
I don't have that experience but I'm also not good so
wide grove
dw i'll hit wheel
autumn egret
holy moly
floral cedar
lol true
autumn egret
wide grove
😂
fervent beacon
im having to do quite a few attempts to even beat checkered orange
wide grove
im having to do quite a few attempts to even beat checkered orange
what are you finding the biggest impacts of the change to be?\
fervent beacon
nah i just suck regardless of patch
wide grove
😂 nah nah u got this
wide grove
NICE. negative ramen with merry andy/banner combo for plasma
wait NOOOOOO
the water 😂 😂 😂
dull sphinx
since when
wide grove
since when
ever?
floral cedar
since always
floral cedar
Thats ok
wide grove
😂
dull sphinx
i thought it was different cuz it wasnt green text
floral cedar
just next time, be a relatable idiot
wide grove
getting no scoring jokers in ante 1 and 2
what kind of skips are you getting
it might be worth getting more of the free joker / rerolls@0 skips
to guarantee u get early scoring
autumn egret
getting no scoring jokers in ante 1 and 2
certificate is a scoring joker dw he's gotchu
🙃
fervent beacon
this is all I have ante 3 what am I supposed to do lol
autumn egret
hey at least you'll survive an extra turn LMAO
maybe just econ up until bones pops?..
fervent beacon
nvm I got arrowhead and riff raff in the next shop LOL
autumn egret
BIG
autumn egret
no way, what insane combo did you hit
fervent beacon
no.
autumn egret
stuntman 😎
autumn egret
that's a lot of money
fervent beacon
arrowhead already is a stuntman
dull sphinx
egg and swash are common right
wide grove
oh wait i forgoooot
fervent beacon
am I really going to do this
wide grove
swash is eternal 😂
autumn egret
lool
dull sphinx
i never get that combo ever lmao
wide grove
man whatever lol
fervent beacon
wrathful is about to die
wide grove
it would have been a really sick play tho
fervent beacon
red card and use riff raff for econ lmao
wide grove
thoroughly unncessary but so fun
ok black stake done ✅ went into verdant with all cards debuffed and won in one hand anyway
Plasma Blue now
hushed grotto
Maybe hiero for the red card here tbh
fervent beacon
maybe a better player could have won that? idk
dull sphinx
i think my first ever red card win was with credit card. i also once got a double polychrome red card lmao
fervent beacon
heiroglyph good with burglar right
fervent beacon
7 and 8
wide grove
foil helps for now but u have some cash there; you should be rerolling to hunt xmult
fervent beacon
i can copy 2s but they have to show up in the first hand
wide grove
i can copy 2s but they have to show up in the first hand
how high have you scaled wee so far?
ur better off finding something to retrigger 2s
like hack
fervent beacon
uhh holy shit
wide grove
that's cool but u still don't have any xmult 🙂
fervent beacon
i could take it for now maybe
wide grove
if ur hands aren't too upgraded you'll be in trouble
wide grove
woot
fervent beacon
I uhh found the xmult
wide grove
i can't help but notice you have no money
fervent beacon
ill build it back up
i needed to roll hard
I have 13 2s now
also have mr bones in addition to a boss reroll
wait hanging chad is fucking sick
I might get rid of burglar I like having bones as a safety net
wide grove
new chad is actually super good
^^^ 😏
fervent beacon
floral cedar
getting burglar dna to work is wild and funny
fervent beacon
getting burglar dna to work is wild and funny
at a certian point it got easier and easier to find a 2 in starting hand
livid lantern
Honestly starting to see people complain that new gold stake is too easy and I semi agree, I propose this idea
Have the old gold / orange stake as selectable options, so you could go like perishable and -1 hand size
wide grove
i think perishable is awesome and rental is 🤷♂️
it's just not an interesting enough mechanic to be a layer of complexity above perishable
if u nuked rental and made it perishable and -1 hand size for gold though... woof
livid lantern
Yeah that would be too rough I’d say, but I think we can adjust this idea as we go
I dont want it to get too easy with an idea of “pick any stake modifer you want” as that can lead to the easiest cheese ever
wide grove
yea i don't like picking
livid lantern
Aight then
wide grove
but i'm thinkin'...
picking means a dominant strategy will just emerge
since u won't know what you'll get til round starts
perishable is great bc is forced adjustment mid-run
vs frontloading all your decisions
which -1 hand size basically did by forcing a high card run in every deck
livid lantern
Oh yeah it did do that
wide grove
but is there another simple joker mechanic that can layer on perishable
livid lantern
Theres rental but many people have said rental is too easy to work around, I semi agree tbh
wide grove
perishable adds a full letter grade to difficulty, rental is like a + on top of the letter
so if perishable took difficulty from B to A, rental just is A+
livid lantern
Thinking about it difficulty wise perishable should be gold, however introduction to perishables feels better on orange
Its like how the old orange was so devastating and the gold stake was just kinda annoying compared to it
wide grove
gold stake was not just kinda annoying with -1 hand size lol
i could work around booster packs ez enough
-1 hand size really restricted the solution space
anyway, on to Orange Stake for plasma
it's early enuff tn that i should be able to clear gold if i'm not bad
split ferry
holy
livid lantern
well that lad just won depending on the deck
split ferry
this is how huge he got
floral cedar
XD
fervent beacon
Honestly starting to see people complain that new gold stake is too easy and I s...
I don't think it's too easy personally
astral kayak
tbh i do think that adding cost to booster packs is good conceptually, because they’re the most consistent way for you to scale guaranteed each shop you go to
the problem w original orange stake is that it would scale out of control
but a difficulty level that just added one dollar cost to every booster pack would be doable and challenging imo
formal crystal
Yeah, booster packs were always really strong
Maybe a sticker that makes shop purchases cost 1 more
ruby acorn
Hey, is the Completionist+ achievement bugged on experimental? I just completed my last gold stake deck and the game hasn't given the achievement
Tried searching but kinda hard to find
autumn egret
can confirm, win another run and you'll get it!
ruby acorn
can confirm, win another run and you'll get it!
Gotcha, thank you! And is that beta exclusive or a general bug?
Separately, what does (c++ no d6) mean? I assume c++ = completionist++?
autumn egret
Gotcha, thank you! And is that beta exclusive or a general bug?
Separately, wha...
it's a general bug, at least since back when i got c+
and yeah, completionist++ is clearing gold stake with every joker. no d6 is just because i didn't use the d6 reroll tag once despite it being very strong lol
just shows you can be brain empty like me and still win!
actually now that i think about it, the steam achievement bug is the reason i joined this discord in the first place
wide grove
plasma deck gold is proving to be annoying
dire cape
PAIN
ruby acorn
it's a general bug, at least since back when i got c+
and yeah, completionist++...
That tag is strong for getting completionist++? I basically never skip for it
Just because you see more jokers I assume?
autumn egret
That tag is strong for getting completionist++? I basically never skip for it
i more meant it's a really strong tag in general, since if you plan on rolling down a bunch it saves you a lot of money
ruby acorn
Ah I see
autumn egret
I though that you just anaglyph'd negative tag
yeah this is a good strat, especially when you have a huge amount of jokers left to gold sticker
ruby acorn
I though that you just anaglyph'd negative tag
This is my assumption too like
That the next thing I do is just anaglyph negatives over and over again until I get completionist++
How many hours did it take you?
For c+/c++
autumn egret
i was doing plasma deck at first when stuntman could just carry a run individually, then i was doing ghost deck to get ectoplasms
ruby acorn
stuntman nerf unfortunately deserved
autumn egret
i tried some magic deck towards the end too to get 3 judgements off the bat
but yea anaglyph is the strongest for c++ now that skipping is way better
just some other options to try in case you get bored on the grind lmao
ruby acorn
gotcha, tyty
I am curious on the time investment tho for sure
I'm already 150hrs in
Which I'm sure is slow af for this
autumn egret
How many hours did it take you?
200ish for c++? it's definitely optimizable but i'm not exactly a fast learner lmaoo
ruby acorn
Gotcha
autumn egret
hahahah no luck getting good chip jokers?
wide grove
get stuntman / bull / wee or die
i'm not rerolling well enough to there
all my smaller scoring jokers are either infinite or rentals
autumn egret
i'd bet foil skips are great for it now too
wide grove
well, you'd like to think so, and i tried
but only 28% are nonstickered
i had a decent run just now w a foil nonstickered free-celestial guy
but still ante 5 was death. couldn't get anything else going
negs not worth it in plasma
infinite foils tend to be common and they just take up too much room if they're like a sin joker
autumn egret
yea for sure, you really just need 3 solid jokers
wide grove
the one thing that's not as possible now is a solid bull run
bc of rental jokers
and stuntman still nerfed
scaling wee/runner fast enough is hard but i would like to try a runner/shortcut run on plasma
but that's harder than just finding stuntman on his own
autumn egret
actually yea with saturn buffs that sounds like it could go really well
i'd say to maybe not completely discount mult in plasma
wide grove
i switch to mult in ante 6
which works fine w perishables anyway
but i still need one solid chip joker to get there usually
i don't bother looking at any xmult till then
dire cape
it is hard to switch to mult tho
wide grove
even scaling runs w bus/green don't work super well
autumn egret
yeah bus/green are too slow in plasma for sure
dire cape
x mult is necessary
wide grove
switching is hard but it's hard to have both taken care of early
dire cape
like multiple x mult
autumn egret
that's not always guaranteed unfortunately
wide grove
the best bet, honestly, i think is foil celestial
and running your planets hard early w telescope
to get up base chip count, then get supernova / cardsharp w stuntman
autumn egret
sounds like a reasonable gameplan
wide grove
threading that needle... not easy
autumn egret
you'll def get it tomorrow
wide grove
plus you can always run into needle 😛
neway. if others have had better luck w a gameplan for plasma gold on new patch lmk
it's bedtime for today
faint anchor
I have finally grew accustomed to the Bloodstone ways 
(New Highest Score)
frail bison
Is it possible to get a negative joker with perishable?
errant sun
yes
livid lantern
Editions and jokers stickers can stack
So eternal negative, rental foil and perishable poly
faint anchor
I'm glad that the perishables just stay debuffed instead of destroyed so negative jokers can stay along for Gold Stickers
dull sphinx
skipped for a rare and got brainstorm w/ negative in 1st ante. also got supernova in same shop. nice rng.
very kappapride cards
blissful tendon
onyx agate being debuffed to 7 just feels wrong
is this an actual balancing change?
faint rain
could also be an aesthetic choice
faint rain
rough
rare elm
the wheel of fortune can hit jokers who have expired from perishable
Might be a bug?
I feel like that's not something intended ngl
autumn quiver
I think it's just hard to deal with attempting to store debuffed jokers
if they're not editioned, WoF may not be worth it
faint rain
one counterexample where you want to keep a debuffed joker is that debuffed egg is still good for swashbuckler
long breach
can you use Aura on a debuffed card (challenge #10) too?
enhancement "un-debuff" playing cards, not sure about edition
long breach
come to think of it, this could be a good idea to "revive" Perishable Joker
autumn quiver
I mean, you can overwhite red seal
modern kiln
Chat... it's time. Obelisk gold stake run
Bull at +380, Spare Trousers at +36, Obelisk at x7.8
It's time to flush em up
o7, gold stake. o7.
rare elm
my painted deck gold stake clear was also with obelisk, nice
teal void
i already reported this, but spot what's wrong in this image. hint: i only have the crystal ball voucher
modern kiln
Oh, the Observatory is good again now that Blue Seals work
Getting two 1.5xs is really really nice
teal void
nice
rare elm
i already reported this, but spot what's wrong in this image. hint: i only have ...
I also reported this a few days back, same thing happens with juggler
teal void
interesting
rare elm
biggest joke
😭
I needed something to fight the club with onyx agate but this aint it game
teal void
LMAOOOO
modern kiln
lmao
teal void
that's just disrespectful, game
rare elm
thats pretty good tho
teal void
i know
fast plover
Are the perishable and rental tags appearing more frequently than it's supposed to? I might be going crazy, but it seems to occur at a much higher rate
rare elm
perishable have slightly higher % appearance rate than 30%
there was a post on steam, someone checked the code and it was like 35%
probably unintended
fast plover
Oh huh
dull totem
What are people's opinion on flower pot in the experimental patch
The times I've taken it in the live version out of desperation for xmult I've been disappointed
rare elm
but rentals are solid 30% iirc
it's better in experimental
safer when you know that boss debuffs won't make you lose
still hard to make it work
but at least you don't get punished for using it
fervent beacon
scaling wee/runner fast enough is hard but i would like to try a runner/shortcut...
Imo painted makes the best use of runner
neat adder
what happens if I cant pay rental? you still keep the card rigt
forest cliff
Noice
fervent beacon
what happens if I cant pay rental? you still keep the card rigt
Debt
neat adder
oh
neat adder
💳
wild lava
is this intentional? just used dna and this happened
it makes sense - technically playing a card against the boss is still "this ante" - i just never thought it would come up this way lol
fervent beacon
Mime + new blue seal is very fun
modern kiln
Mime + new blue seal is very fun
New blue seal is a blast. I love it so much.
fervent beacon
what is it with orange stake and crazy wee joker runs
floral cedar
lol
fervent beacon
done
uneven horizon
Is this a bug?
Shouldn't the reroll cost $5?
floral cedar
bug
coarse fable
The vampire nerf makes me sad, but it's still a very broken combo with midas mask and pareidolia. Gold stake anaglyph done.
dull sphinx
got a new pb and it was on purple stake lmao.
pallid rampart
hi, does your progress save when you play on the experimental patch? im on black stake, black deck atm, and i want to make sure it counts if i beat it
coarse fable
hi, does your progress save when you play on the experimental patch? im on black...
it does
pallid rampart
thank you!!
coarse fable
Hate to give up this lucky cat, but I have to take seltzer, right?
Lucky cat's at 10.75 rn
floral cedar
I mean yeah
Its the right play
for the next 10 turns
though you wont have 10 turns with lucky cat
lofty cape
what is it with orange stake and crazy wee joker runs
One day I'll get a wee joker that isn't perishable
outer cypress
how is not replacing hanging chad the better play? isnt it averaging less
shy lance
Hate to give up this lucky cat, but I have to take seltzer, right?
I'm late, but why would you give up at 10+ lucky cat over the hanging chad?
your chad is only better if the bloodstone triggers all 4 times from the two extra plays as that would b e x16 otherwise with 3 it would be 8, with 2 it would be 4, and with one it would be 2. I don't see any way you are making that bloodstone trigger all 4 times for sure which means on average it will trigger twice which is only a 4 from that chad.
Also that way you can move your copy joker to playing your face cards again in general, to edit: increase by 33% the odds of triggering your lucky cards instead of copying bloodstone. As you do bloodstone right now to double for both chad and face cards, but unless you need the score to clear the hands you might as well try to trigger your face cards 3 times over to build your cat faster instead of going for as high of a score possible as 3 times face cards with blood going off each time is fine compared to two times face cards with blood going off twice (aka the later is indeed stronger but since you are doing lucky you might as well increase the odds of lucky growing until you need to count on blood)
floral cedar
actually yeah you are right
coarse fable
Yeah, I misplayed by getting rid of lucky cat for seltzer. I wanted to see high score go brrrr
I had such good econ, and was rerolling a bunch for oops
But I never found it
shy lance
Yeah, I misplayed by getting rid of lucky cat for seltzer. I wanted to see high ...
oh yeah the seltzer that's why I originally had double in my post lol. I forgot it on my reread >.<
I'm still jealous in general, I want to do a lucky cat built but I haven't been able to find one in my random runs yet
coarse fable
What if there were upgraded tags, similar to the upgraded versions of vouchers? For the joker tags that would be insane: all base jokers in the next shop are rare/holo/negative/etc
And free in this patch
floral cedar
The one time overstock tag was not worth it 😭 litterally 1 off
pack had hex, we are so back
I lost
summer nimbus
one minute until I lost, that shit hurts man 
fervent beacon
I really think perishable and rental are too similar to be in one update
forest bloom
nerfed campfire is still pretty strong :)
hardy rock
yah, i just won an orange stake and he got up to like x 11
he was defintely too op before, but not losing your economy when you buy a single pack (ie: you have much more economy now) nudges him into a still very decent place
floral cedar
wait campfire got nerfed?
your telling me I would have won if it didnt get nerfed... DANG IT
fervent beacon
I think rental can stay gold stake, but perishable should be removed and replaced with a nerfed version of orange stake
either like $2 flat increase or $1 every 2 antes instead of every ante
perishable and rental are just redunant, and rental is a better designed mechanic anyway.
Rentals make you actually think, perishables are a hard pass a lot of the time
livid lantern
I think perishables are decent as a stake mechanic, it makes you adapt on the fly which I believe should be an orange/gold stake mechanic
I prefer if perishables were higher up than to rentals
but eh
floral cedar
btw shouldnt campfire be retroactive of the ante?
fervent beacon
ehh maybe its fine
floral cedar
from the wording it should, but anyways lets hope I get lucky
I did not, only 1 + 20 and it was on the 2nd king so didnt get the 2xs from the photographs
one time I get lucky cat + lucky cards but I got it like ante 6 or 7 so only 1.75x by the end
floral cedar
this build is so cracked omg
coarse fable
The magician buff really makes lucky cat an awesome joker. Just got violet vesseled on another retrigger-based lucky card run, got lucky cat in like ante 6. But it was already up to x3 mult by the final boss
floral cedar
I almost had a heart attack when I read "2 rounds remaining"
anyways bp dna was the best thing I couldve gotten from rare tags lol
foil green joker first shop!
vagrant rivet
After playing with perishable jokers for a while, my thought is basically that they're a very "feels bad" game mechanic.
Rental and eternal jokers add a challenge in an enjoyable way because you have to actually weigh whether or not the downside is worth it to your build, they give you a choice. Perishable jokers don't have that aspect - they simply make scaling jokers unplayable, make finding a good joker disappointing because it's going away, and make things more RNG heavy because of the need to constantly find replacement jokers.
I get the idea of wanting to reduce the reliance on just finding good scaling jokers early and encouraging players to diversify, and I do think that's a good goal, but I think there have to be better ways to do so. I know a lot of people debate whether it's harder or easier, but I mainly just find it unfun.
coarse fable
I honestly think the new stakes should be switched. Perishable should be gold and rental should be orange
Because perishables are much more challenging. As you said, there's no way to build around them, and they dequalify so many good scaling jokers
Before, gold stake dequalified most big hands, five card hands that rely on good base chips and mult. -1 discard and -1 hand size combined made high card/pair more the meta
floral cedar
there is a few ways but yeah, most of the time its just "Get lucky with jokers or else"
maybe make it benefit you playing larger hand typed, like the first 4 hands give half base chips and multi
idk
astral kayak
Perishable > rental imo, rental feels so much worse because it forces good econ which feeds into highroll games, and kills early game packs because early rental jokers are dead and don’t have the upside of costing a dollar
coarse fable
I wouldn't say rental forces good econ. There are plenty of times I pass on good jokers if they're rental. I feel like it's a much more benign economic challenge than the previous orange stake at least
astral kayak
I wouldn't say rental *forces* good econ. There are plenty of times I pass on go...
i mean need good econ to take rental jokers most of the time
perishable forcing you to adapt us nice
floral cedar
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
livid lantern
Misprint is a weird joker to rely on for +mult
floral cedar
true
though it was first shop, and it was that or rental icecream
my wraiths were so lucky
got polychrome drivers license, sold it, and usedc wraith for the negative vagabond
BRAINSTORM FIRST SHOP IN ENDLESS
I swear this would have been so much fun to do 😭, shouldnt have bought omen globe ig
faint anchor
Gros Michel Gold Sticker (I bought it in Ante 2 and it was such a financial pain) 
floral cedar
I swear this would have been so much fun to do 😭, shouldnt have bought omen glo...
BRO OMEN GLOBE DIDNT DO ANYTHING AND I DIED!
forest bloom
I think perishables are decent as a stake mechanic, it makes you adapt on the fl...
perishables should cost like 25% less or something
floral cedar
4 rares go brrrr, vampire was at 1.9x and I got it like ante 3
fervent beacon
Perishable > rental imo, rental feels so much worse because it forces good econ ...
It's so tiring to see scaling jokers always be perishable though. Rental has a big downside and that's a good thing.
I am kind of iffy on perishable one moment I think it's cool the next I actually start to miss pack cost scaling
astral kayak
It's so tiring to see scaling jokers always be perishable though. Rental has a b...
rental is the most likely to totally kill a run due to pure rng of it appearing early game, perishable always “has a huge downside” like you say, but a perishable joker is still good to take and kills the most prevalent meta scaling strategies some of the time which is good for variety
modern kiln
I like both but I feel like it's one or the other; having three different "jokes sometimes aren't worth picking up" mechanics is exhausting
fervent beacon
I like both but I feel like it's one or the other; having three different "jokes...
Yeah that's how I feel
I'd keep rental and maybe even bring back old orange stake in some form
astral kayak
bc perishable never means untakable, it means you need to plan for when the joker breaks
fervent beacon
Rental is kind of like perishable
modern kiln
Part of me wishes gold or orange was just "Rerolls cost 1/2$ more" tbfh. I feel like such a large part of the lategame is just rerolling and being forced to look at other alternative ways of spending money or even skipping would be nice
fervent beacon
Part of me wishes gold or orange was just "Rerolls cost 1/2$ more" tbfh. I feel ...
That just makes bad runs so hard to come back from
modern kiln
Bad runs aren't getting the money to reroll a lot
At the end of the day, stakes are meant to make the game harder. Bad runs dying out is gonna be a part of a good stake design
fervent beacon
Rental perishable and eternal at once is just too much especially when they go so horrible together
modern kiln
I feel like nerfing rerolls makes me more likely to pick up jokers I don't normally take, which is a great thing. If rerolling is more expensive I might take more risqué jokers like Seeing Double for example
fervent beacon
I think having one of them is a great idea
And replace the other with something else depending on what stays
modern kiln
I would be happy with Eternal and Perishable, in large part because they're mutually exclusive
fervent beacon
So what is rental replaced with then
modern kiln
Something that isn't on a joker tbfh
I don't think we need 3 negative joker modifications, I think that's overkill
Hit rerolls or make antes scale faster or more bosses or w/e
astral kayak
Rental is kind of like perishable
i mean yeah, but its less effective because op jokers are still perma keeps and it just ends up killing anything less than great; also rental in packs is the worst feeling because not only is their sell value worse you don’t get the upside
vital gate
ante 7 but i got the bell 😭
floral cedar
cause you used heiroglyph
vital gate
i feel like that didnt happen before the experiemental branch 😭 but idk might eb gaslighting msyelf
fervent beacon
I think a lot of people that complain about stuff in this update are just ignoring all the frustrations in the old gold stake
floral cedar
i feel like that didnt happen before the experiemental branch 😭 but idk might ...
It did use to happen
The only difference is if you buy it in shop after the ante 7 boss you will see the ante 8 boss
where in old version you would need to beat small blind first
vital gate
oh that expalins it! thank u
forest bloom
new yorick is beyond busted
floral cedar
yeah, if you get it
grim pike
do people think black deck has gotten any better or easier?
on higher stakes
some other decks like anaglyph and nebula have but I can't see how black has really
its possible it's actually gotten a little harder
frail bison
black ought to be harder since the total power of jokers have decreased overall
long breach
ngl, I've come to hate the boss RNG more than ever lol
nothing more ugly than dying at Ante 6 because of a hard counter boss, with no voucher / Luchardor to even have a shot
floral cedar
Luchador has become one of my favorite gimmick jokers with this update
since you dont have as many permanent jokers luchador is a fun take to help you find better ones
long breach
yeah, the issue with boss RNG is that Reroll is voucher-locked
imagine having to purchase Shop Reroll voucher lol
obtuse robin
do people think black deck has gotten any better or easier?
on gold stake id say it got a bit easier mostly because the early game isnt as brutal anymore
I only did it once on each patch though so maybe I just got luckier on the beta
coarse fable
Black deck was still hard, but not as hard as I think the previous version of the highest stakes
I gold staked black deck shortly after the experimental beta was announced
obtuse robin
the decks are a decent bit more balanced on this patch I think which is nice
on gold stake that is
twilit dune
i just finished my first completion of orange stake post-patch
perishable is wild
cant really tell how much harder it is than purple
dense dome
Hello, I play on windows laptop. The game still wipes out my progress every time I close the game. My joker collection is stuck at 74/150, decks I've played with are locked etc. This was an issue in the previous version as well, not in any of the demos though.
static wyvern
Can someone explain me why Poker hand leveling doesn't ramp up and always stays the same like +10 chips +2 mult on X hand every single time? What's the reasoning behind this? I've yet again had a run where I decided to go for a straight build on a gold stake and got absolutely outscaled on ante 4 despite lvl 12 straight build.
Why poker hand leveling couldn't just ramp up every 5 levels? Like from 1-5 lvl its +10/+2 and from 6-10 its +20/+4