1.0.1c Experimental

[modern kiln]

You literally told me that I am having a skill issue

[manic canopy]

[raven vapor]

you're just freaking out about 30% for some reason
if something is 30% to be unusable then odds are if you see 2 of that thing you get a good one

[modern kiln]

<@&1133519078540185692> Can we not do this song and dance of "Your feedback is unvalid because you're bad" -> "I won more than you" -> "Oh now I need to be good to give feedback?"

[manic canopy]

you literally fucking said it yourself?

w/e

doesnt matter rn

i want you to propose a new mechanic

[modern kiln]

I'm not gonna argue with you; I don't wanna engage in someone that says shit like "if you wanna have fun play low stake" or "then propose a new mechanic"

[manic canopy]

you dont want to think of a new mechanic because you cant think of a better one

[modern kiln]

Yes because I'm not the developer, wtf are you talking about

[manic canopy]

you can always give ideas

theres a reason why #1155557846805643434 exists

[modern kiln]

I'm not the doctor (IE a dev) I don't have the cure but I'm a patient (IE a player) so I know the symptoms so the doctor can make an informed decision on the cure

[manic canopy]

and im simply asking you to suggest a new mechanic that would replace perishables

you're just dodging the question

[modern kiln]

I don't need to armchair game develop to give feedback

[manic canopy]

that's not "armchair"ing

it would be a suggestion like any other

[modern kiln]

Proposing a fix isn't as helpful as giving feedback on the player experience

[magic ether]

Please cut out the discussion, this has gone far beyond what is acceptable for Rule 1.

[raven vapor]

i thought the argument is just "i'd rather die in ante 1 than in ante 4"
in which case checking ante 1 shop then holding r basically does exactly that, and you probably find a winning run faster than in prod

because any poly is good, any holo is good, and guaranteed pack :p

[languid radish]

Liking the new lucky card buff lmao

[languid radish]

Lost at ante 12, not too bad for orange

[modern kiln]

How big was the cat?

[candid sorrel]

I actually never saw lucky cat in any shop yet

Not once

Very elusive

[spiral comet]

lucky cat needs lucky cards to spawn

[regal raft]

is the Localthunk said when this beta will be in normal game for everyone? dont know maybe a week, month or something like that?

need to try today this beta if you say that working steam achievements on this game build

and still counting progress from old save

ya?

[tawdry moth]

Your save info should all be safe, whichever version you use. No timeframe on when this will roll out outside of experimental

[regal raft]

ya thanks, but first i need copy of my local saves on SSD for sure im not lost anything

i have game on steam

saves are in steam cloud

[left niche]

rental and perishable are too common and just annoying imo.

[regal raft]

and local on SSD

[somber lava]

steam cloud saves are still unusable tho

[regal raft]

ya i read many gamers of this game lost progress with their saves to 0

not from this beta but before

on normal game

so everything can happend

hehe

[shell sparrow]

IMO Eternal/Perishable/Rental shouldn’t appear in the first Buffoon pack (as in the one you’re guaranteed to get now). It sometimes kinda just feels like a scam on high stakes.

[deep lava]

hanging chad got broken fr

this hanging chad + gold seal + lucky alone became my economy

[heady bear]

Oh boy

18 in one hand

No 15 I’m bad at maths

[deep lava]

it has also has expected 5 * (1/15) * 20 from the lucky card

which is approximately another 6.66 dollars per card played

and i've been deathing this card to death

[fast plover]

I don't know if it's my skill level or luck or what, that perishable sticker is tough to get around, it is occurring on the jokers i really need to stay around for longer
Or I'm not thinking enough

[jolly pawn]

:)

[deep lava]

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[deep lava]

it is tough yea but at the same time it's pretty interesting too

5 rounds is quite long and you could definitely keep it around for 5 runs to win more runs / gain some economy so that you can replace it eventually

to me it feels like a short term investment while looking for something better

[jolly pawn]

i lost by 1.6k

damn

had wee jokers at 300 each but didnt find any base mult that wasnt rental/perishable

[deep lava]

😭 😭 😭 rip

[jolly pawn]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deep lava]

welp

[jolly pawn]

had foil family and wouldve pivoted to 4oak with 2's but

strength never showed up

[autumn egret]

holy moly it's just like old patch

[deep lava]

gg

this is a completely separate comment but I think rental jokers really don't feel that horrible, i would gladly take an important rental joker and tank the -3 dollars per round

which is quite surprising cause at first i thought i wouldn't use them at all but they definitely feel workable around

[autumn egret]

yeah, that was my thought process too

initially costing $1 makes it really easy to plug and play for a round

[deep lava]

exactly yea

[jolly pawn]

hologram just scammed me

the hologram applies on top of the stickers

i didn't see it was eternal rental

[deep lava]

the fact that it costs $1 makes it alot better

💀

rip

[shell mortar]

The huge thing with Rental is that the cost is $1 no matter the rarity/edition. You can get poly blueprint for $1 and it won't end up breaking the normal cost till 4 rounds later.

[deep lava]

is eternal perishable a thing

[autumn egret]

nope! they're mutually exclusive

[deep lava]

i don't think so right

yay!

[deep lava]

exactly yea

[autumn egret]

the game rolls a 30% chance for eternal and perishable each, then it rolls a 30% chance for rental afterwards

(i think)

[jolly pawn]

cant have shit in balatro

[deep lava]

wtf is this :destare:

[autumn egret]

jimbo looks good all decked out

[deep lava]

but like honestly

if this was early game this would've been a good joker

personally i would probably take a large number of jokers even if they were rental

[autumn egret]

yeah like that jimbo above? i might even take him for half a round, get close to the required chips for beating the next blind

then just sell him midround

[deep lava]

yea that's another goofy rental trick

personally i'm really glad about the rental and perishable, challenging but workable around

[autumn egret]

yep! giving agency to the player is way more interesting than just making everything cost more by default

[deep lava]

exactly

[shell mortar]

Y'all get that that is the shtick right? You rent it for a dollar, you can sell it early to get back your rental fee. Otherwise you pay a $3 late fee per round.

[autumn egret]

yes lol

[deep lava]

yea but playing a hadn that is close to winning

is very very hard

i guess you could rent a joker like to do list or mail in rebate

[autumn egret]

that's exactly what i did my last run, rental to do list didn't hit anything useful for me

so i sold him instant to not incur a penalty

which new to do list btw...insane card

[deep lava]

real

i mean there was one run i took a rental eternal midas mask

and it was totally worth it

unfortuantely lost the run to the needle but oh well

[autumn egret]

needle moment

[deep lava]

it was like a card sharp high card build unfortunately

so well i mean it happens ig

[autumn egret]

card sharp's got it rough against the needle yeah hahah

[rare finch]

do rentals always sell for $1?

[autumn egret]

i believe so, yea

which includes if you get them for free from a tag

[spiral comet]

unless their price is increased by other effects

like gift card

[split ferry]

real gamers take the eternal rental egg

[autumn egret]

oh i can't say i'm that good

i've taken eternal eggs, but never eternal rental eggs

when i see one i'll get back to you

[split ferry]

o7

[faint rain]

as the french would say,

wee wee

[faint rain]

real gamers take the eternal rental luchador

[faint rain]

who let jimbo be on that zaza again ong 😭💔

[autumn egret]

i didn't see the rental sticker hiding behind this dude..

[plain plover]

hidden fees

[faint rain]

he's trying to hide it

[neat adder]

got clowned

[split ferry]

based

[spiral comet]

eternal luchador doesn’t exist 😔

[faint rain]

better yet

real gamers take the eternal rental ramen, and discards more than 100 cards to decrease mult

[autumn egret]

i hear yorick loves eating ramen

[plain plover]

i dont think eternal ramen exists either

[dusk hinge]

Scammed

[spiral comet]

eternal food jokers donut exist oof

[jolly pawn]

uhhh

this is ante 1 do I take that

[spiral comet]

take it

[jolly pawn]

perishable mr bones seems like a scam

[plain plover]

polychrome is good

[spiral comet]

take the stone joker

embrace it

[frosty pilot]

he would have cost one dollar though

[plain plover]

stone cards arent that helpful but they aren't a big detriment either

[dusk hinge]

Early marble is cool

[autumn egret]

he did, i just thought there was a special sale

for being such a loyal balatronian

[frosty pilot]

sure

[jolly pawn]

real gamers take perishable showman

[wide grove]

LOL

[autumn egret]

the amount of times i've seen pedants "correct" something on this server while losing the intent is insane

[jolly pawn]

happened to me too

[wide grove]

the amount of times that i've seen

[autumn egret]

lol thank you

[wide grove]

ok back to today's first nebula gold stake run

we've taken a double polychrome tag

this can only end well

[jolly pawn]

mfw hex and ankh in mega pack

what do I do

[wide grove]

what even is the right joker lol

[jolly pawn]

marble joker

add 1 stone card to deck when blind selected

its also poly

[autumn egret]

hard to tell with the poly but the texture i think sells it

[hollow cloud]

GUYS I MANAGED TO GET UNNERFED STUNTMAN!!!!!!!!!!!

[jolly pawn]

so ive got four fingers with 1 stone card making flushes right now
this is not very good

i wanna sell showman and try to copy marble joker

[wide grove]

^^ 😛

[jolly pawn]

its a 50/50 that instantly kills me if I lose

[wide grove]

@hollow cloud twins

[hollow cloud]

oof

yeah

[spiral comet]

id think ankh stone if it hits

[jolly pawn]

which means I will take it every single time

[wide grove]

trust me he's great

[jolly pawn]

FUCK

[spiral comet]

it missed?

[jolly pawn]

yeah

it missed.

[hollow cloud]

based double tag enjoyer (the joker tag buffs made me so fuckin happy)

[spiral comet]

hex four fingers

[spiral comet]

ikr

[jolly pawn]

do they stack

[dense adder]

is it possible to get a negative joker in the buffoon pack

[jolly pawn]

does this mean i can make flushes with 3 cards

[spiral comet]

sadly no

[jolly pawn]

damn

[spiral comet]

wish they did tho cuz itll be funny

[autumn egret]

hmm i think hologram is the only joker that has the problem of stickers appearing behind his head

[hollow cloud]

no

[dusk hinge]

F

[hollow cloud]

yeah cuz his head floats

[spiral comet]

that’s cuz hologram is a separate floating entity

[jolly pawn]

HOLY

[autumn egret]

yeah! but when there's 2 stickers, his little hat covers the second sticker

so i wonder if there's a way around that

[wide grove]

ugh skipping for ez scaling sucks at gold stake

[spiral comet]

actually yes but rarely

[jolly pawn]

TALK ABOUT A CLOSE CALL

[wide grove]

didn't we decide it's 28% to hit a nonstickered joker

[somber lava]

yea

[jolly pawn]

i only won that cause I pulled 2 straight flushes

thank you four fingers

[autumn egret]

this sounds about right

[wide grove]

yeah. so u can hit that rare but it's very likely to be too expensive early w your econ, or it'll be gone in 5 rounds

[jolly pawn]

died after that

screw you four fingers

[autumn egret]

this is in reference to early skipping, iirc?

[wide grove]

yep

[jolly pawn]

this is canon

[autumn egret]

so true, as soon as the ice cream is about to go bad, i just sell it back to the supermarket

[jolly pawn]

OH

HELLO

YORICK

[autumn egret]

HEY!

[jolly pawn]

FANCY SEEING YOU HERE

[autumn egret]

now feed him ramen

[jolly pawn]

and I got BOTH discard vouchers

[autumn egret]

well enjoy the win hahah

[jolly pawn]

if this run doesnt win

[autumn egret]

get some good gold stickers!!

[faint rain]

does two four fingers make three fingers

[wide grove]

8...

[autumn egret]

hahah unfortunately it's not -1 needed for flush/straight, it just sets it to 4

we don't chop off fingers, we're just born with less digits

[faint rain]

ah, unfortunate

[jolly pawn]

you cursed me

[autumn egret]

LMAO

[jolly pawn]

i might take hanging chad ima be real

i have scholar so that with chad will pop off for base mult

[autumn egret]

new hanging chad feels incredible if you can use its effect in any way

[faint rain]

omg ramen

from the ramen legends game

https://tenor.com/view/rayman-yay-peace-gif-22031437

[faint rain]

no complaining with 2 red seals

[jolly pawn]

how much interest do I need for this to be a net positive

i'd need $18 right

[wide grove]

HE IS RISEN

[faint rain]

do you have seed money

[jolly pawn]

i don't

[faint rain]

$18 is break equal

[jolly pawn]

but it also has 1.5x mult

which is prob better than keeping wrathful joker

wrathful is perishable anyway

im taking it

I oneshot the wall i'm good

[faint rain]

wait no i just realized $18 is without to the moon, so starting at $10 would be a net positive with to the moon

right?

[jolly pawn]

well $13 cause

rental comes before interest

[faint rain]

ah

[lost aspen]

welp orange/gold stakes weren't fun before, they not fun now

maybe its my problem

[faint rain]

okay

didnt know that oops

[lost aspen]

I think -1 discard should be reworked too

[faint rain]

so yeah 13

[autumn egret]

what don't you like about new orange/gold stakes? i think it's a lot more flexible than before

packs just default costing more meant it was hard to ever justify them

[jolly pawn]

this is funny

[autumn egret]

but giving you control over selling your rentals means you can play more short-term

[lost aspen]

idk maybe its just because blue stake

I dont play much above it

because I think after black stakes difficulty becomes just unfun

stickers are too often

[formal crystal]

Play how you like

[autumn egret]

a few people have said something similar, how stickers appear too frequently, but i think it's kind of the point of the difficulty

[lost aspen]

and for me it seems like its very hard to do stabilize when all jokers you have are killing your income, take a slot forever or will disapear in few rounds

[faint rain]

[autumn egret]

that sounds like to me, you're holding onto rentals too long, but obviously i dunno how you play

5 rounds is kind of a long time in the early game

you can really use perishables to help you find something else, even if it's another perishable

[lost aspen]

tbh I though perishable would just destroy joker and not disabling it

and it would be funny if it could delete eternal

[autumn egret]

lool yea, but perishable and eternal are mutually exclusive

[lost aspen]

it would be a buff to perishable overall because you wouldnt be able to get some money back

but you could get rid of eternal with it in this way

so it actually could get some upside

[formal crystal]

Eternal would prevent its destruction

[autumn egret]

unstoppable force, immovable object and all that

[jolly pawn]

i guess they dont call it to the moon for nothing huh

[faint rain]

real

[lost aspen]

yeah but if it ignored ethernal it would be fun in my opinion

[formal crystal]

It already does ignore eternal

[lost aspen]

not

in that way 😭

[jolly pawn]

okay wait

is it better to sell to the moon for fib

[autumn egret]

that's something you may want to put in suggestions, it probably won't get much traction here

[jolly pawn]

i have scholar and hanging chad popping off on aces

[lost aspen]

I will try

[formal crystal]

Probably?

[jolly pawn]

and this would be an extra +36 base mult assuming i play one ace

[faint rain]

hmmm

[autumn egret]

what's yorick on? your current setup looks good

[jolly pawn]

im playing flush which has base mult 10 cause its level 4

yorick is on 7x

[autumn egret]

oh lord lmfao

[jolly pawn]

boutta be 8x after 3 discards

i can prob get 9x if I try hard enough

[autumn egret]

frankly i'm not sure it matters, you're probably oneshotting most things no?

[formal crystal]

I think you win either way

[jolly pawn]

it's a two shot if i dont draw aces

[autumn egret]

you're using 4 discards and having trouble finding aces?

[jolly pawn]

i have 6 in the deck and both discard vouchers

i'm just unlucky

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[autumn egret]

that's insane 😔 lmao

[jolly pawn]

i have a ton of money ill prob roll for a tarot to help

[autumn egret]

yea for sure

[jolly pawn]

strength or death

but idk if i keep to the moon or not

[autumn egret]

x1.5 is going off of yorick's x7 so i think it's pretty valuable

[jolly pawn]

with swash at +15, flush at +10

scholar hitting 3 times for +12

that makes 37 base mult

with one ace fib gets 24 (hanging chad makes it three times)

and that is about 1.5x

🤔

the rest of the things i have are eternal

except yorick (he's yorick)

and to the moon

im gonna keep to the moon cause itll be harder to get gold sticker with it

[wide grove]

ok photograph + hanging chad + card sharp is kind of sick

we're cooking a high card face card run here

w burglar

and double ecto

[jolly pawn]

yeah yorick will hit 8x next blind

NO

GO AWAY

[wide grove]

lol

[autumn egret]

LOL

[faint rain]

hear me out

what if

burglar

[autumn egret]

please let yorick eat

he is hungry

[faint rain]

yorikku*

[jolly pawn]

why cant I draw these hands on the boss blind

[formal crystal]

All the stars

[jolly pawn]

2 MILLION

LOL

[fading jacinth]

Got my first Gold Stake run on the 1.0.1 update. No stickers for me though; I used an alt save for this.

[autumn egret]

omg i found shortcut

[faint rain]

was that invis and ankh

[autumn egret]

can i win the run for c++

[faint rain]

no, only eligible for java and python

😔

[autumn egret]

😔 rip

[wide grove]

dammit

[fading jacinth]

Fibonacci is a Rental Joker, while both Hack and Perkeo had Foil. Mr Bones helpd me through Ante 7 Wall BTW.

[wide grove]

got demolished by the boss blind - no repeat hands

[formal crystal]

Two ankhs

[faint rain]

ah right, bc eternal

[jolly pawn]

oneshot the boss

FIRST GOLD STAKE

[autumn egret]

nice job!!

[jolly pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/wooo-yeah-baby-gif-18955985

embed failure

im dead

[faint rain]

lmao same

[jolly pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-son-dragon-ball-z-exhausted-gif-13516929

sending another gif anyway

[faint rain]

itt: moist critical

[jolly pawn]

I JUST GOT

TWO LUCKY CARDS IN A ROW

THAT BOTH TRIGGERED BOTH EFFECTS

i went into endless with yorick cause why not

i lost

[rancid arrow]

Cause this is a feedback/issues/regression thread and not what should I play or look at my deck thread: my feedback after about 15 games played on experimental.

1. Changes to all jokers seem fair and good. Instead of fishing for certain jokers im actually building around all jokers more.
2. Thats being said I dont like the new Orange stake. What makes balatro fun for me is having a good joker in the beginning and build your deck around it to have massive numbers. Proof is me discarding for certain cards while my deck would actually win already. When getting a good perishable joker on new stake makes me shutting down my steamdeck cause its very frustrating.
3. New gold stake on the other hand is good. Hard to manage but still doable. Perfect how stakes should be.
4. Changes to ante scaling are good. Sometimes you hit that wall a bit too hard. I like it.
5. Changes to "free" tags are also fun and good.

didnt run in obvious bugs however paying 3 gold as rent for a rental Gros Michel who has vanished was a bit weird to me (but you got the +15 mult so you "used" it I guess, so maybe fine?)

Feedback is my personal opinion ofcours.

[jolly pawn]

im having a great time i like all of it

except hologram's hologram being on top of rental sticker

makes it hard to see rental

I had more gold stake runs that got past ante 1

only reset a couple times and won gold stake today

less holding R more playing game i like

[wide grove]

hurm. i just had a blue seal generate a planet for a hand that wasn't my most played

oh RIGHT. it's last played

not most played

[fading jacinth]

Blue Seal generates your last played hand

[wide grove]

durp

okay. back to ante 8 for gold stake

[formal crystal]

End of the constellations

[wide grove]

okay gl 2 me

crimson heart time

hell yeah. disabled my worst card?

BOOM.

nebula deck gold stake ✅

not as much to think about this time. had my build early without dealing w perishable / rental too much. (just hitting my 28%ers i guess)

no rental made for ez economy -> bull + castle

even w only 2 discards

then cavendish wasn't perishable 😂

[fading jacinth]

Personal feelings after finishing that Gold Stake run:

1. New stickers kinda widespread so sometimes it's tough trying to pick a defining joker for use. At least we can actually open packs without killing econ.
2. Having the need to think on the toe with picking/using some Perishable jokers was interesting. The Droll Joker I picked to survive early Antes, the Hanging Chad midgame and the end game Throwback were what I used, Chad was a bit reluctant pick at first but turned out a fun pick.
3. Rental also kinda makes it tough to keep jokers for long-term use. I feel that if you pickup Rental jokers you're either picking a really good joker and suck up the -$3 econ (I picked Rental!Fibonacci to go with my Round 1 Eternal!Hack), or using them as one-off jokers (I think I used a Chaos this way)
4. Overall I do think the appearance rate of stickers could be tuned down slightly. Perishables could possibly also have some (minor) incentives that makes them more attractive to be picked I think.

[wide grove]

UGH what in the hell man

the free tags are so unreliable

skipped for free rare joker; got burnt joker at $8

[deft jacinth]

Bloodstone in too strong now to be an uncommon imo, it demolished checkered deck gold stake(paired with dusk, card sharp, juggler, and a throwback with 2x), with few enhacned cards and level 3 flush. Imo good chance would be make it rare/take it back to 1/3 chance

[jolly pawn]

what if it went down to 1.5x instead

[autumn egret]

can crimson heart disable an already debuffed joker?

i think it's the same status with a different wording right

[ruby acorn]

Hey, we report bugs here right?

[autumn egret]

if it's on experimental patch, yea

[ruby acorn]

The "Jokerless" challenge is able to give you buffoon packs on this patch

They're still "Restricted":

But I think the guaranteed first shop joker pack is overriding that

[autumn egret]

yep! it's a known bug

searching "jokerless" shows that thunk's aware

[ruby acorn]

Oh, sorry - is there a list?

Ah

How do you search through a thread?

[autumn egret]

i don't know if there's a running list of known bugs

[ruby acorn]

Oh it's just more + search I see

[autumn egret]

would make it a lot easier if it was pinned lol

[granite smelt]

tried gold stake on the experimental build and while it said rentals were available in the stake description i still lost a hand size and booster packs were unaffordabble still

dk if thats a bug or just not implemented in the beta yet

[jolly pawn]

if you started the gold stake run on regular before updating it won't change the stakes to the experimental ones

iirc

[granite smelt]

i didnt

[jolly pawn]

are you sure you updated it then cause its working for me

[granite smelt]

played about 3 different runs and it didnt work with the new stakes

[granite smelt]

yh i had the new joker effects work fine

[jolly pawn]

strange

[granite smelt]

deleted and reinstalled game and its fine now

[jolly pawn]

good to hear

[wide grove]

ok free rare joker is busted. doesn't work most of time

[lavish flicker]

Hey there!

The first time i played Balatro i had to quit due to insane motion sickness, so reading about "Added toggle for 'Reduced Motion', removing the swirly background and gyrating card motion" I had to try.

I was really happy to see this fix and tried the beta. Unfortunately it still has some motion in the cards that gets my motion sickness going. I really liked this game and i would love to have an option to reduce to zero ANY motion.

The cards moving even a little bit on my play hand still gets the motion sickness going, the cards moving when you open a booster as well. And that's bad because i try to see/read the card and there's something still moving.

So please, have an option for people like me, and reduce motion even more! I would love to be able to play this game.

[summer pine]

I have some thoughts initially inspired by the change made to Mad Joker and its chip counterpart:

I think there's a design space to be explored regarding hands which "contain more than 1 rank", as currently jokers and effects that target "hands containing a pair" include every [number] of a kind hand, as well as the 2pair -> full house -> flush house group, and excluding both straights and flushes. On the contrary, there are only effects which target either straights, flushes, or larger [number]oak hands individually. I think creating room for a run to pivot between full houses and straights instead of just homogenizing into 5oak and away from straights (with flush sort of being omnipresent depending on if you can get tarots going or not) would create more opportunities for straight runs to happen.

[mystic oriole]

I feel like lover should choose 2 cards considering how weak wild cards are right now

[autumn egret]

bless you beta branch

an absolutely wild stuntman straight flush game

seance at uncommon while playing SF made it actually findable

[wide grove]

you diiiid it!!!

congrats @autumn egret

shortcut ftw

that's a crazy accomplishment

[autumn egret]

thanks bud!!! now i can go touch grass lmfao

[tame igloo]

im only 97/150 stickers

[wide grove]

what's a grass

[tame igloo]

what was the experience like searching for the last 20?

[autumn egret]

it's so much easier on the beta branch, with the legendary change

only the last 5 or so took active grinding to find

[primal furnace]

hello! i found a bug while playing the experimental patch, should i post it here or in #1200105253559873707?

[autumn egret]

for new patch, here is good! you might want to search it first to see if it hasn't already been reported

[frail dust]

what people mean when they say about bloodstone and something about 6

oops all 6s?

what that means

"man 6's with a bloodstone about to carry"

translate to me please

[wide grove]

LOL

[kind eagle]

Maybe bloodstone should be 1.5x instead of 2.0x

[autumn egret]

making bloodstone go from 1/2 the time to all the time

[frail dust]

ah

thanks

[autumn egret]

you got it boss 🫡

[frail dust]

I haven't seen either of these jokers

[wide grove]

if you're watching "a streamer" who says that they're prob on the old patch

where bloodstone is 1/3 not 1/2

make sure u read your jokers carefully!

[mighty plinth]

Regarding reduced motion: https://reddit.com/r/balatro/comments/1byktoa/comment/kyrn2lw

Is it possible to just outright remove motion?

I get that, due to programming, it's probably far easier to reduce the amount of card wiggle rather than eliminate.

[primal furnace]

i cant find anything about this bug so ill go ahead and post! i was trying to see if you could put 2 seals on 1 card (u cannot lol) and i quit to menu really fast to try to revert it, and when i resumed my game i was greeted with this screen! there are no spectral cards in the pack and the skip button doesnt do anything so im softlocked on this run

[frail dust]

I would love "0 motion" mode too

[frail belfry]

What is meant by 'remove motion' exactly? I can remove the bobbing effect I think some people may be referring to, but what else would be the problem?

[frail dust]

letters wiggle? blind name?

sorry I understand that you worked really hard implementing all these stylish effects but there are some poeple (not me) that get dizzy from these

[mighty plinth]

Animations in general as well probably. I'm guessing it would be acceptable to just have cards appear in hand rather than fly in. Similar to the shop and its cards animating in. Or opening a pack.

I'm not impacted by this but I'm guessing folks who get nauseous with this would rather a completely static presentation

[autumn egret]

i suppose both the cards moving slowly around, and the little shake they do when you hover over them would also apply

[mighty plinth]

For the hover effect, I'd just snap to a fixed angle/rotation rather than follow the cursor

[frail dust]

oh, yeah, cards "rotate" following cursor

[lavish flicker]

I added a post to suggestions about it

[frail belfry]

I know - that's totally fine it doesn't bother me but I need to know specifically what is bothering people to turn off

[mighty plinth]

See https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1227331160846368932

[lavish flicker]

I wrote a post on suggestion about it, maybe that could help to understand more

[lavish flicker]

That's it

[kind eagle]

I appreciate the bloodstone change. Old version just felt really bad. It might be too good now, but that can be fixed. Most important is that its no longer as annoying

[frail belfry]

I'll remove more motion from the game but I am just curious - do other games bother you with this? Maybe I'm not sensitive with motion at all but the cards moving from A to B on screen seems like the type of motion that pretty much every game would have to some extent

[wide grove]

i'm def on the wagon of bloodstone 1 in 2 but 1.5x mult

[frail belfry]

The hover parallax/text bouncing/cards moving while 'still' can all be turned off pretty easily IMO but moving a card from your deck to your hand would be a pretty big change - I'd probably want to test without first

[lament mortar]

1.5 seems like a good compromise (id prefer it just stay like it is now though lol)

[autumn egret]

not personally, but my sister has a lot of trouble with passive motion - she says it's overwhelming when portions of the screen she isn't actively watching are moving in the background, like she's on a ship at sea

[lavish flicker]

They do. Specially first person games or any game with a lot of motion. When I looked at Balatro i didn't think it would be bad, but with time and playthrough, it's not something that is doable or playable. Maybe removing more motion, the "A to B movement" won't be bad. It's hard to measure since the first time i played it had a lot going on.

Trying the beta i could still point somethings out that's still being a trigger to it

[lavish flicker]

That explains really well

[summer pine]

Yeah I think the general concept of motion sickness applies as basically "motion happening without express focus on it"

[autumn egret]

sounds about right! i can't speak from experience but i've seen that general sentiment before

[lavish flicker]

That's it. And also movement when trying to read something

[frail belfry]

My hunch is that - if everything else is off - a card moving from your hand to the main 'play' area when you press play or the shop popping up on screen after you cash out won't be nearly as big of a problem as the cards gently moving constantly or the text bouncing for some words

[wide grove]

i wouldn't have the cards "appear" - i have no idea how to make that not jarring - since it's the main thing the player's attention is called to at start of round

just debuffing animation for non-foregrounded actions makes sense

once something reaches its resting place it should cease motion (in that mode)

[frail belfry]

Yeah I think that would help the most

[autumn egret]

that's definitely out of my realm to speak to, but foreground motions sound fine

[snow wagon]

I think balatro is a game with cards and jokers

[wide grove]

right now even the #s in your money count float in the background

i could see that being nauseating for sensitive folks

[lavish flicker]

The shop appearing or the cards moving from A to B (as far as i know for me) don't appear to be the problem (i would have to test it out without other effects). The main for me is the little movement on the cards when they're on my play hand. Or when i open a booster and they bounce from top to bottom and move still

[frail belfry]

Yeah I'll turn those off

What about the pack opening animation?

Like the white explosion thing

[lavish flicker]

Thanks a lot for hearing these out!

[lavish flicker]

I would suggest ceasing them as well, just to be sure it wouldn't affect

[summer pine]

I also want to express my gratitude about your attention to accessibility features as those are by far some of the most important changes you could make to this game

[frail belfry]

I don't want to remove things that aren't causing problems - so I'm asking about your experience

does the pack opening animation itself bother anyone?

[lavish flicker]

Honestly i would have to test it out. It's hard to point these things because others are in the way, so it's tough to say

[frail belfry]

In the same sense that it's better to have accessibility options, it's also better for those people that use the accessibility options to still have a good experience with the game. The less I can strip out and still fix the problem for them, the better

[primal furnace]

as another person with motion sickness issues i think it would be good for there to be multiple different animation toggles in the settings, rather than all of this being lumped into one "reduced motion" checkbox

[lavish flicker]

I agree! I'm also thinking and talking about a zero motion option. It's fair to have for example a reduce option and another with even more reduced motion. For people with an extreme motion sickness, for example

[merry thistle]

Or be me, and turn on every accessibility option despite having no issued

[frail belfry]

For example - I would kinda prefer the main menu background to be the normal one but as a static image instead of just black

[lavish flicker]

But that's it, static is the answer

[merry thistle]

Has the color blind option been adjusted btw?

I got use to it, but the yellow was a bit jarring

[summer pine]

or how about just a giant ominous Jimbo face

[mighty plinth]

Searching for "motion" in suggestions has a bunch of relevant threads that may have more insight

In particular, this thread has a bunch of links to other places: https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1217176092977270804

[lavish flicker]

This one is really helpful, and talks specially about the movements and reading/texts

[mighty plinth]

Someone even made a mod to help with motion sickness: https://steamcommunity.com/app/2379780/discussions/0/4346606879522655969/?l=turkish&ctp=3

[lavish flicker]

I even tried this one, but it didn't work at all for my case 😢 The cards still moved a lot, it only changed the bg

[static wyvern]

Two things:

1. I feel like Perishable is great mechanic but 5 rounds is very little time given for some Jokers to scale, so this tag renders useless a lot of Jokers most of the time. More rounds given before perishing would justify time and money investment. Perhaps 8-9 rounds would be a better number? 3 Antes for Joker to stick around.
2. Rental shouldn't appear on economy Jokers since its defeats their whole purpose (unless that's an intention and this way you want to fill shop with dead joker cards for higher difficulty?);

[spiral comet]

8-9 feels too much

[static wyvern]

probably

6-7 mb?

[outer cypress]

8-9 would just defeat the purpose lol

[spiral comet]

it’s perishable

[lament mortar]

I like the 5 limit

[spiral comet]

5 is brutal but perfectly brutal

[south pendant]

5 limit is good, someone suggested a voucher that would increase it to 6, thats a neat idea too

[lament mortar]

It encourages skipping, so you have to decide if the loss of rounds to scale is worth keeping a joker alive to make it through a particularly hard boss/wall

[spiral comet]

and in terms of rental jokers they all spawn with $1 cost so technically you can snag to do list farm money and sell before defeating blind for instant profit

in terms of econ example

[static wyvern]

skipping doesn't help scaling an already perishable card

(if its a scaling Joker to begin with)

[spiral comet]

why pickup scaling perishable jokers (unless no better choice)

[summer pine]

I think the thing perishable needs is just slightly (and only slightly) lower spawnrate imo

[static wyvern]

yeah that's my problem with this effect

[summer pine]

like 25% instead of 30% or something like that

[static wyvern]

Is that the whole point to spawn dead jokers in the shop for higher difficulty?

[spiral comet]

not really

[static wyvern]

same with rental on economy Jokers

[summer pine]

there's also an argument to be made that scaling jokers could be blacklisted from it

[spiral comet]

they aren’t really “dead”

rental is perfectly fine

[lament mortar]

Rental on Econ jokers are fine if you can out-econ the cost per round

[static wyvern]

they are heavily debuffed which makes them not worth investing in

or egg

[summer pine]

rental I think is okay, idk why I have been getting rental spawns at full price instead of $1 but that's just a bug ig

[spiral comet]

that’s a bug ig

[spiral comet]

not really tho

[static wyvern]

elaborate

[spiral comet]

i had rental faceless and got some profit

[wide grove]

ok ran up magic deck, now gnona do orange w it next

but gotta take a break

[spiral comet]

with a normal deck

also used to the moon rental before

[static wyvern]

some profit doesnt sound good I think?

[spiral comet]

to clarify, net positive

[outer cypress]

rental's change on economy is insanely better than increasing pack costs lol

[spiral comet]

fr

[static wyvern]

you buy economy Jokers to get a significant boost or sustain, right? Not just some net benefit

[spiral comet]

i mean its one dollar for the joker

[static wyvern]

well that's for sure

[lament mortar]

You can still get that with rental, just lesser

[static wyvern]

-1 Joker slot tho!

[summer pine]

yeah regardless of the fine tuning the balance changes to high stakes are FAR superior to before

[spiral comet]

unless u hold it for a long time you can buy and use it quick then return it

[spiral comet]

not all rental is eternal thi

and sometimes your build is powerful enough to slip an econ joker in

[lament mortar]

Being able to sell it whenever you feel you have the sustain is great too

[static wyvern]

I meant that its defeats the competition as soon as you find literally anything

to replace it with

the decision is very straight forward

[spiral comet]

i mean econ jokers in general will be replaced if there is something better

it’s not really the problem of the rental sticker

[static wyvern]

But when its a rental economy Joker, there will be no 2nd thoughts or hesitation

which is kinda boring?

(imo)

[spiral comet]

not rlly

[lament mortar]

I disagree

[summer pine]

I mean yeah not really if it's econ there's either a positive or a negative contribution

like blast off starts as -2 and eventually becomes positive money gen but if you need to replace it with scoring, you're gonna do that regardless of how much money it makes

because you need to not lose

[static wyvern]

makes sense

[summer pine]

it might be easier to give up golden joker because +$1 per round isn't as valuable as +$4 but that's just how the cookie crumbles

[quasi thistle]

Rental Golden joker is like 0.4per round unless you’re comfortably above interest cap

[summer pine]

not really more or less interesting than weighing a Cloud Nine with more or less nines etc., just moves the number to -3 of whatever it would've been

[static wyvern]

Yeah, ig I got biased after realizing that you can get rental Egg or Golden Joker

[summer pine]

that's fair

[spiral comet]

rental egg is just a bank in an eggshell

pun intended

[summer pine]

rental egg is keeping your money in its checking account that it told you was a high-yield savings account

egg more like piggy bank

[static wyvern]

But oh boy, rental+perishable+on econ Joker is such a downer

[summer pine]

even so tho rental egg does have some potential value because of temperance or swash

yeah rental perish is kinda just sadge almost every time

[static wyvern]

Couple things to consider tho:
Perishable Jokers become a no go in the late game (insta-skip most of the time)
and Rental Jokers' downside can become negligible in late game (no downside)
from what I understand

[latent lintel]

has anyone gotten a perish popcorn yet?

[static wyvern]

perish =/= destroyed (if you u are talking about that)

[latent lintel]

popcorn with perish sticker

[south pendant]

i think ive ran into one, yeah

[latent lintel]

would be completely redundant but funny

[static wyvern]

yeah

[primal furnace]

giving this a quick ping :]

[south pendant]

it lets you use the entire popcorn and get your money back tho

[autumn egret]

sorry, meant to reply to this before! this looks like a variant of a known bug

[latent lintel]

oh does it not despawn?

[primal furnace]

gotcha tysm!

[south pendant]

i wouldnt think so since its debuffed... cannot confirm, idk which order comes first, the debuff or the destroy

[autumn egret]

i can't remember the trigger, but was the spectral from a skip tag?

[raven vapor]

reloading a tag pack kills run yeah

[floral cedar]

time to get on that gold stake painted deck grind

I forgot I turned this off 😭

I need it back on I cant handle it

[mighty plinth]

For perishable, what if instead of a guaranteed extinction after 5 rounds, you have a 1 in 5 or 1 in 6 chance of the joker becoming extinct? Similar to Gros Michel. (Or debuffed instead of exctinct more likely so you can sell it)

Here's a spreadsheet that shows the probability of a joker becoming extinct in the next N rounds for different probabilities of extinction:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lIMGw8b_2-hATiCHwXBRx8bCBt8CJ5riBGMihqXLRac/view

So, for 1 in 5, there's a 67% chance of the card becoming extinct in 5 rounds. 1 in 6 has a 60% chance of becoming extinct in 5 rounds.

This would add to the risk / reward randomness and would make you think "well, there's a 30% chance this joker will last more than 5 rounds". Of course, it could also become extinct immediately.

[summer pine]

I suspect public reception to this would be... worse than it currently is

[quasi thistle]

that seems quite bad to plan around

[summer pine]

you would functionally have to plan for 30% of all jokers to disappear the round after you get them

[quasi thistle]

much better to know how long you have the joker for

[summer pine]

even if that's not likely, the fact that it's possible makes it relevant

[raven vapor]

people would complain more because they'd home in on the one time their blueprint died in one round
compared to the numerous times it lived for 5-7

[lament mortar]

If it’s possible it will happen
And it will happen when you need it not to happen

[summer pine]

some kind of mix of the two is interesting to me, like after X rounds, the joker becomes like "unstable" or something and may disappear at this point

[lament mortar]

It’s fate

[summer pine]

or debuffed rather

[quasi thistle]

yeah something like 4 rounds and then 1/2 to debuff each round seems okay-ish but it’s also fine as is imo

[mighty plinth]

Right. I forgot perishable debuffs and does not extinct

[outer cypress]

i feel like people dont realize that perishable and rental are meant to be hard, theyre for the highest difficulty lol

it adds a layer of depth and complexity that makes runs a lot more fun

[raven vapor]

i can take anything just don't increase short term variance xd

[quasi thistle]

it’s so much better than the old gold and orange stake

no more -1 hand size and expensive planet packs, non high card is more playable

[lament mortar]

I’ll take a thousand perishable jokers over pack cost scaling

[summer pine]

still incredibly based

[floral cedar]

NOOOOOOOOOO

[outer cypress]

rental + perishable are fun additions that force you to play adaptively, and NOT having a lower hand size and astronomically expensive packs lets you actually have variety in what you play

[floral cedar]

how dare my WoF hit the bp

[sudden pine]

Where are the patch notes???

I cant find

[summer pine]

the fallen angel

[floral cedar]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1162083229919084614

[lament mortar]

You just gotta beat ante 8 within five rounds

Speedrun time

[static wyvern]

Guys, I think the biggest issue with new patch is that we didnt get a Battle Pass system

[south pendant]

ahah i would hate that, but definitely still buy it

[lament mortar]

Battlatro Pass

[sudden pine]

So much changes

[reef garden]

agree. big fan of the changes

I think it makes the game more challenging rather than tedious at higher stakes

[floral cedar]

oof, next run

thought I could gamble but nope, 39 size deck wouldve been good with erosion

[summer pine]

aw damn, I even see the empress in your inventory

[forest bloom]

why is it grey its so unfitting 😭

[outer cypress]

they just got it from vagabond p sure

[summer pine]

yeah I realized lol

[neon totem]

I'm gonna fool around with Anaglyph and see if I can get a bunch of rares

[summer needle]

I fired up the Jokerless challenge and noticed a Buffoon Pack in the first shop. I think that should be removed.

[broken needle]

longest joker name/metadata in v1.0.1

got Immolate to work on this version

[CFU2, must use Gold Stake]

[broken needle]

reset until negative madness

this is a pretty good combo for jokerless honestly

too bad I have no slots

[kind eagle]

"Jokers are pretty good for jokerless"

[reef garden]

makes sense to me

[solar oriole]

I would like it if perishable Ice Cream and Popcorn were not possible, these are already temporary, and I enjoy the natural decision of when to sell these declining Jokers as it was before. (Also, a perishable Popcorn, if it's even possible, is a meme.) I'd also like it if Banana wouldn't perish, because it interferes with the interesting "when will it go extinct?" mechanic.

[neon totem]

Anaglyph is fun

[static wyvern]

Analgyph is always fun

[floral cedar]

lol

if only you had showman

Gold stake painted deck attempt 9999999

(rounded down)

[gaunt galleon]

anaglyph must be insane if you save them for free negative jokers

[pearl thunder]

I opted into this patch and the game won't launch. Any tips how to fix this?

[jolly radish]

Did you try verifying game files

[pearl thunder]

yep

[spiral comet]

are you on the experimental brqnch?

follow the instructions outside of this thread in case you didn’t

if it still doesn’t work idk

[vagrant bluff]

Where are the patch notes?

[ruby idol]

wow I love these new blue seals

they're actually useful

[spiral comet]

#🧪・experimental message

[vagrant bluff]

Thank you

[floral cedar]

I was 1 dollar away from having 2 bs ramen with lvl 15 flush

and now Im just dead

[dull sphinx]

ur progress between beta and 1.0 are saved, right

[south pendant]

yes

[burnt lichen]

wait, does the legendaries on gold steak change make already gold steaked legendaries never appear ever or can they appear if you already got all the legendaries that don't have gold steak sticker?

[floral cedar]

yes

[south pendant]

"gold steak" yummy 🙂

[hushed grotto]

It just applies to the first soul in the run

All the others can still be any legendary

[broken needle]

Because of the way it was implemented, though, even non-gold stake legendaries will be different than in v1.0.0

[burnt lichen]

oh, thank you

[broken needle]

So if you have a Perkeo seed it may not be a Perkeo seed anymore

[gleaming elk]

hmm, i found the visual bug, that is kinda bug, can't really link the video - server doesn't like

basically on amber acorn, polychrome jokers when flipped display the card back design default, not the deck ur playing

can do picture at least

maybe not only poly, the joker was duped and then got poly from tarot (wheel of fortune)

[glass bay]

its duped jokers from ankh

[gleaming elk]

oh i see, still feels like bug to me

[hushed grotto]

yeah this was a bug in 1.0.0 too

[solar oriole]

https://clips.twitch.tv/IronicBlitheTrollOhMyDog-veywujtq59a-UUYy Notice how rerolling is enabled by the perished Credit Card, but is disabled when the Credit Card is sold. I think a perished Credit Card still works.

[hollow cloud]

lucky card buffs,thank u so much localthunk

still missing this damn illusion...

[hollow cloud]

any chance that with the gold stake rework, black deck can be reworked to -1 hand size rather than -1 hand per round, to do the "mirroring painted deck" thing (and also giving it a buff cuz -1 hand is way too frustrating rn)

[floral cedar]

Id imagine black deck is the next non glitched part that needs taken care of

[hardy rock]

Wow, i'm so happy with this update. I'm sick right now so i can't really play much but the little i do play the game is in such a better spot. Maybe bloodstone is op, maybe vampire needs one of the nerfs reverted, but every other change is so good. Local thunk did such a good job. My personal favorite change is blue seals becoming the best seals, at least for random runs. Maybe it is op, too but i don't really believe everything needs to be perfectly balanced. Its okay for some things to be strong and others weak, anyhow just my 2 cents so far.

[solar oriole]

Or maybe allow 7 Jokers? It would still be very punishing in the beginning though.

[hardy rock]

I will say though with bloodstone its defintely too weak at 1/3, so idk what to do. Maybe 1.75x but its so much fun that there's a strong flush build. Club flush was pretty good but on previous gold stake it just only occasionally good enough. Bloodstone actually keeps up with the power curve with purple no problem. IDK maybe i'm just a flush stan.

Oh also, 8ball still feels kinda weak, idk maybe its just me.

[hollow cloud]

yeah no -1 hand not only sucks play wise,it also hard affects economy

[hardy rock]

are you trying to nerf the hardest deck in the game? idk -1 play or -1 handsize are both really really bad effects, i think i'd take -1 play though.

[humble quarry]

only the ones that you havent won with for the gold sticker will appear until you win with all of them, then they all apear again

[hollow cloud]

i think -1 hand size is way less bad than -1 play

you get more econ,more chances to dig through your deck for combo,more scaling on jokers that require playing hands to scale.....

[hardy rock]

the extra joker slot incentivizes syngergistic builds that you normally dont have enough room for, and these are almost all flush, 5 oak/flush five, etc. type builds. Ofc you can get off thge ground with high card and win that way, but it evens the ground substantially between high card and flush/5oak. Losing -1handsize would have the opposite effect, and turn it into 'high card, but like with one more joker slot'

its a bad change in general for that reason, but even on balance i think it'd be worse overall since you can still play high card with the -1 play

[autumn egret]

part of why -1 hand size was changed on gold stake was it made starts too inconsistent, and when your run is predicated on pressing the R key for the "ideal start," it's less time playing the actual game itself

-1 hand size is punishing later into the game, but doesn't immediately incur a reset - think bosses like the manacle, ectoplasm, etc. -1 hands per round is much easier to play around in the early game, since you can 1-2 shot everything in ante 1 without jokers, and it makes it more pressing to fill your joker slots up on later antes

so unless there's a way for -1 hand size on ante 1 specifically to be changed, idk if that'll happen for black deck. black deck is still probably the hardest deck to gold stake, don't get me wrong, but i don't think -1 hand size is the way to do it

[plucky lantern]

getting more comfortable with perishables, a perishable blueprint earlier on saved this run. managing jokers early on when my carry jokers were perishing was v fun

[plucky lantern]

5 feels just right to me, any longer would be too easy. 2 antes is enough to be impactful in a run

[south pendant]

10-4 needs a super tiny teeny buff

[frosty pilot]

my bad
I guess you were joking? I thought you genuinely missed it

[autumn egret]

hahah no, i saw the $1 cost, but the sticker was difficult to spot. i was bringing attention to it because i could see someone missing the sticker entirely outside of the shop...basically, a visual clarity issue

[south pendant]

maybe instead of a sticker, just a big transparent coin over the entire card. that would fix 2 issues

[autumn egret]

sorry if that was unclear, i've seen a bunch of people around here try to point things out that have little relation to the topic i was bringing up and it's been frustrating

i'll be better at wording things in the future

[autumn egret]

this might be excessive though...hahah

[south pendant]

i was also thinking even just different border effects would be helpful for quick views

[south pendant]

i agree completely lol

[autumn egret]

the border idea would be interesting though! since almost every joker already has a white border

either way, this is only a problem for hologram, from what i've seen

and only as a result of the beta patch displaying multiple stickers on a card

[south pendant]

ive seen others, me included feel weird about the sticker for rental being offcorner if theres no other effects. its an easy fix but yeah theres definitely a better way to show that its a rental card i think

[autumn egret]

oh, i haven't seen others talk about it, that's good to know

[south pendant]

ive seen at least two, and that was the first thing i notice like 2 hrs after release cause it was so jarring lol

but the position isnt x,y coords so its just an extra sprite at most, and a conditional check to find out which sprite to use

me personally i would use x,y coords with a smaller sprite. idk tho. ive looked all through the source code for 1.0.1; only found 2 issues. its messy but super solid

[slim dew]

Jokerless having a 50% chance of violet vessel on the final boss doesn't sound fun at all... at least if you get a director's cut you're safe now
I was hoping to see things like Temperance and Wheel of Fortune removed in Jokerless in this patch, it's hard enough without dead cards

[south pendant]

im just blabbering now, ill take my leave

[frosty pilot]

goootcha
yeah fair

[frosty pilot]

you're good

[autumn egret]

to be fair i am pretty bad at wording things lmao, so i appreciate you bringing it up

[autumn egret]

you're good man 😎 was interesting to see your thoughts

[frosty pilot]

"I didn't see thing"
"here's how you could have seen thing"
"maaaan these fuckin pedants" (overexageration, not serious)

[autumn egret]

yeah...i overreacted

[frosty pilot]

the kiss emoji? 😭

[south pendant]

we appreciate self acknowledgement here

if you arent kissing your community what are you doing

lifes too short

[fervent beacon]

i hope the madness changes do not make it lol

[waxen wolf]

What’s wrong with the madness changes

They seem way better

[hollow cloud]

doesnt scale on boss blind fights

[waxen wolf]

Yeah that’s like

A nice thing

Can’t lose a joker that’s integral if you want to build for a boss blind

Scales less I guess but I like the strategy much more

There’s better mult jokers out there anyways for raw scaling

[hollow cloud]

yeah,i agree but it is a bit frustrating

that 1/3rd less scaling,not to mention skipping is much better now

remind me is madness rare or uncommon

[waxen wolf]

Rare

I think?

I could be completely wrong

I don’t remember lol

Nvm it’s uncommon

[hollow cloud]

like the middle ground option would be making it so it scales but doesnt need to eat in boss blinds but that sounds 1. too complicated to word
2. maybe too overtuned

[waxen wolf]

That’s just free scaling

I think it’s fine to nerf its scaling to make it more usable

And easier to plan around

I like that you can get it to a certain point and if you have a nice set of jokers

Just never have it trigger again

And keep the big mult

Went from a joker I never take to one I consider taking now

If I want raw scaling I’ll pick any other scaling joker

[hushed grotto]

black stake and above it's way worse

below that it's probably better? but idk

[fervent beacon]

but it's not supposed to be easy to plan around

it's called madness

[waxen wolf]

well yeah but its not like its super easy to plan around

[waxen wolf]

really??

I guess you have eternal jokers

that helps

maybe buffing the amount that it increases a bit would help

but I definitely do not want to lose its new functionality

I can see how eternal jokers would make it more manageable though

[foggy mantle]

i JUST had a really fun madness run where i got eternal square joker and supernova

but yeah the change really hurts madness a lot

[fast plover]

It might just be a me thing
But I feel like perishable sticker just appears wayyy too often
And most of the time on jokers that you need to take to keep surviving

Even though the chance is literally the same as rental

What are y'alls thoughts on perishable?

[plain plover]

perishable is worse to see than rental in shops, rental is worse to see in buffoon packs

[fast plover]

Why in buffoon packs?

[plain plover]

because you dont benefit from the reduced price

[dire cape]

bc if you get rental in baffoon packs, you cant even sell it for base value

[plain plover]

but yeah perishable is annoying

its fine when its the start of the run and you take a few perishables to get by, but it gets really annoying when you want to start getting an actual build going and you have to sift through so many perishables

[fast plover]

Oh right

[fast plover]

Yea that's my biggest worry with this new mechanic
Maybe I just need to get adjusted to the mechanic, saw people on reddit saying it's become so much easier

[plain plover]

the early game has become much easier

the mid game is rough

[fast plover]

Definitely

How do you work around perishable jokers?

[spiral comet]

not keep them

[formal crystal]

Buy them if you need them

[summer needle]

you can keep them temporarily to, for example, get temperance value, or to prevent them from reappearing in shops, etc

[formal crystal]

Oops all steel

[glass bay]

so true

[plain plover]

total game changer

[deep lava]

btw is there a channel for like suggestions for experimental

or is it also #1155557846805643434

like feedback on the experimental build

[plain plover]

i think you just put it here

[floral cedar]

just here

[deep lava]

ah ok

i'll probably play more stuff before giving the feedback on the stuff overall

[floral cedar]

XD ok

gl

[hushed grotto]

Yeah after playing some runs I can definitely see why people call it easier, but it took me a while to get my first 1.0.1 gold stake win

I think eventually I'll find it easier as well

after getting used to how everything works

[summer pine]

whytf is my rental bugged

[autumn quiver]

I pulled out a self-dectruct button by playing a pair and completely disabling obelisk KEKW

the unlucky 13th pair

man, I remember losing over 20 times before my first win with yellow deck
now having suffered enough from gold stake, I find white stake nothing more than a tiny nuisance

[neon totem]

Well it was a good run while it lasted

[autumn quiver]

you're more than enough with god build

oof

[neon totem]

Though I post it here because Anaglyph is super fun in this patch

Was hoping to get negative tag but got rares instead, still took it because it gave me invis eventually

I could've lucked into getting Luchador but eh, I wanted the screenshot

[glass bay]

amazing

[lament mortar]

It’s worth it

Temperance bait

Swashbuckler bread and butter

[frail bison]

bloodstone is vibin

[autumn quiver]

oh god

instead of Chicot and Yorick (both of which I haven't unlocked), it gave me Perkeo AGAIN

[glacial dawn]

the legendary guarantee only applies on gold stake

[autumn quiver]

Ik

[twilit dune]

did the usage window for tarots change? i swear you couldn't use them when in a pack before

[autumn quiver]

my rng sucks

[shy lance]

I depends on how you want to define sucking. On one hand it sucks that you can't get the two worst legendary jokers to complete your collection. On the other hand you keep getting the best one. (though the patched Yorick should be in line with the other jokers at least leaving Chicot as just the dud in the pack lol)

[glacial dawn]

chicot is still fine?

[shy lance]

fine sure, but I toss chicot pretty quickly. There isn't a great reason to hold onto chicot unless the next boss is one that chicot will help with otherwise pretty much any other joker will be more helpful and it's just wasting a joker slot.

[glacial dawn]

that's fair

it could reduce the blind requirement by 33% to match the big blind maybe?

[shy lance]

I don't need much of a buff on Chicot but I would really love it if Chicot also had like a gets +.25 xmult per boss blind you clear.

You know not something that gets all that crazy in general but a little extra bonus to make it do something beyond sit there. As most of the bosses aren't a problem and the ones that are you can typically plan well enough for them.

As it stands Chicot more just feels like the Rare version of Luchador instead of a legendary joker.

But that way it wouldn't feel bad to hold onto Chicot and have it not do anything really to help you if you don't run into any of the more painful bosses.

[glacial dawn]

that's fair enough

[shy lance]

I was really happy to see the Yorick change because I had never managed to get Yorick online. Yorick was determined to only show up for me on ante 7 or later which I just could not get 23 discards off at that point lol.

[autumn quiver]

Perkeo is op, but only when I've prepared for it

[twilit dune]

just got yorick
so much better than before the patch

both stronger (as is expected from a legendary joker) and more fun imo

[lean rune]

acknowledged orange stake rework made me open a lot more celestial packs which help nebula deck, but still...nebula deck's penalty is absolutely no needed buff it plz

[snow wagon]

I forgot to take a screenshot but hologram essentially hides the rental sticker as it appears behind the joker

[tulip radish]

Saw some discussion earlier about perishable jokers. One thing I like is that they make me think about skipping blinds more strategically. Like, if I think I need one for a boss and it has 2 turns left I might skip the small. I like that little wrinkle it adds.

[pastel gulch]

anyone else really surprised to see no buff to superposition/seance - seeing NL play a straight build and pass up polychrome superposition because of how ass it is when he is known for trying weird/quirky builds was quite indicative of it needing a buff IMO

Don't think ive ever intentionally taken either, and are always instant sell from judgement

[plucky lantern]

i take it pretty often with abandoned deck

its kind of a love it or hate it card

dont think its really that underpowered

[pastel gulch]

abandoned deck?

[plucky lantern]

yea sorry

[pastel gulch]

based on quick search in #🕹・game-discussion consensus on superposition is its pretty bad

even on abandoned you can only run the ace straight 1 way , admittedly easier to pull the straight due to no face cards

[plucky lantern]

abandoned deck makes straights in general a lot easier. superpoisition is bad as a side effect of straights in general being hard to build around

[snow wagon]

A single tarot card for the condition of an ace AND a straight is not very good

I think doing a superposition proc might actually be harder on abandoned but I don’t care for the math

[pastel gulch]

this was my thinking, especially given how many other good tarot engines there are

[plucky lantern]

i guess its a playstyle thing. i tend to try to load my deck with aces by default, so theres usually at least a couple aces in my hand. all thats left at that point is to build the rest of the straight.

[dusk hinge]

I really like trying to winstreak gold stake now, runs feel way more unique.
I'm still on the fence about whether or not the stickers probabilities are too high. The cognitive load can be high when you need to choose between several jokers with different stickers/prices/editions

makes sense because that's the highest difficulty though

[plucky lantern]

the more i play gold stake the less i feel like they're too high.

[dusk hinge]

I'm curious about new players opinion. Many people here are experienced players but what about a player trying to play gold stake for the first time ? That player already acquired some game knowledge because you need to unlock gold stake to begin with but orange and gold stake may be pretty hard for them.

[formal crystal]

In terms of stickers, black stake already introduces them pretty well

It would be interesting to see new player feedback, though a lot of new players I feel aren't going to seek out and try an experimental balance patch

[shy lance]

true new player feedback and the higher stakes is not really going to be a thing.

That being said I do plenty of discussions of the game outside of here with players that are far less experienced. They don't know what to make of the new stickers at this point, but the few that are just reaching the higher stakes are wishing that the patch was coming to the switch right now because they are jealous of the changes compared to pack price increases. (though I've been selling the new changes with a lot of love because I hated the price increases and like the new changes lol)

As for the players that are even newer, most of them didn't have a huge reaction to most of the changes even with me explaining a lot of them, the only change that got much of a reaction was the sinful joker changes. Most of the newer players had a pretty universal negative reaction to that one. Go figure they all play flushes and use them a lot and didn't like seeing it nerfed 😛

[dusk hinge]

gathering that kind of feedback is very hard yeah, that's something Localthunk mentioned a lot in the past

[hushed grotto]

Lmao i think that was very much intentional (for the sinful jokers part)

At first i didn't get why they were nerfed but overreliance on flushes for new players makes a lot of sense

[shy lance]

as far as I know it was the intention yes 😛

[plucky lantern]

i am sorta that new person, i only ever got up to orange before the patch. i hated the increasing pack costs and just went back down to lower stakes on the other decks. my experience with this patch has been nearly universally positive

[pastel gulch]

Most of the changes seem universally accepted, the only one with any real pushback seems to be vampire and that mainly comes from a crowd of people that want to play literally any hand and accrue a 15x for next to no effort

[glacial dawn]

yeah vampire is still pretty strong

[pastel gulch]

vampire now is on par with other x-scalers

before it was just leagues ahead of them

[glacial dawn]

personally i really liked constellation

[pastel gulch]

constellation is great, i am hunting relevant planets anyway so building xmult off that is even better

especially with new blue seal

[autumn quiver]

6 rare jokers huh
I could only go so far tho

[bleak vortex]

is it intended for rental sticker placed not in upper right corner? looks like bug tbh

[hushed grotto]

Rental can stack with eternal/perishable

[bleak vortex]

I know that. I mean if eternal/perishable is not on joker, why should be rental sticker placed differently

[spare shuttle]

i guess thunk just put fixed position on it which was i guess an easier/quicker solution

or just intentional

[prisma pumice]

What do you mean bugged?

[teal void]

i think it's supposed to be 1$, not 6

[steep spruce]

I just wanna say that Blue Seal isreally good now.

[teal void]

:(

[prisma pumice]

Oh right was looking the wrong way

[bleak vortex]

First day playing on new golden stake. This rental sticker sucks

[teal void]

nvm we balling

its best boi!

[fervent beacon]

I'll take the perkeo I really need it

[plain lynx]

Visual bug on Ride The Bus? Doesn't mention the reset

[torn isle]

Consecutive

[torn isle]

Yeah I think rental/perishable were not thought about before addition

rental basically means if you take it before 25$ when you get interest stacking you just never get interest and perishable basically ruins runs/builds if you just get bad shop rng

because it's a bunch of perishables + bricked cards due to eternal and rental and then you never are able to get decent jokers

[plain lynx]

oh duh, wasn't processing the lingo change

[torn isle]

The builds im winning on gold with are just lucky runs that don't get screwed over by eternal perishable rental jokers and have like 1-2 of them at most

[frail dust]

did localthunk said something about when this version gonna be released?

[torn isle]

Orange/gold is significantly easier but it's more resetting runs because of simply bad RNG

[fleet thorn]

weird bug, the blind's playfield persists when i reload into the game and stops me from buying stuff (note the shaded outline over the packs and voucher)

[fleet thorn]

?

this doesn't make much sense, you can still end up selling it two rounds later and still spend less money. eternal rentals are fine generally, just this one isn't ideal most of the time

[bleak vortex]

more resetting? don't think so. I used to die a lot on first ante because no scoring joker or even on first round. Now I don't think that ever happens

[tulip leaf]

I think gold is still pretty hard, but now you have to think while playing it so that's good

[torn isle]

wait am I stupid

Do the rentals not sell for 1$

Oh I see what you mean nvm

[fleet thorn]

Yes but they are bought for 1

[torn isle]

I feel like though you don't actually want to do that a lot with jokers

As in

Only keeping them for 2 rounds

The only use of that really are the ones that lower their increment per use like popcorn or ice cream

Not enough to make rental fun

[fleet thorn]

?

If something costs $10 normally and you buy it for 1 it'll be net positive until four hands from then

[south pendant]

🎵 you can't always get want you want🎵

[plain plover]

you don't have to be snarky about it

obviously you're supposed to play around the mechanics

the discussion is about whether the mechanics are too hard to play around

[torn isle]

They are basically impossible to play around because it's either on the joker or isn't on the joker and the only "counterplay" relies on the jokers they are on

Or just gambling you can take the downside

[south pendant]

i won gold stake on my second try with the new mechs 🤷‍♂️ i love em

[torn isle]

Perishable; winning the run in 5 rounds
Eternal; using the joker for the rest of the run (the most risky but rewarding and well designed)
Rental; not needing the money compared to the value of the joker

[torn isle]

Yeah you can win easily if you just get lucky and pass the rng check by the game lol

It's not even like pre beta gold stske

Where you just play some better decks and you usually are fine early ante

It really doesn't even matter how good your deck is if you just get bad joker seals (I'm calling them these because idk what else you call them)

[south pendant]

1.0 gold was dry kinda boring

[plain plover]

i feel like perishables should also have lower shop prices

[torn isle]

true

They are too brutal

[plain plover]

it's hard to justify paying full price to only use it for 5 rounds

[torn isle]

That's a good way to make them feel less awful to deal with

[torn isle]

I'm not saying there wasn't changes to be done (orange stake was badly designed)

But I think gold stake specifically was fine as is

Pre beta would be much better just with the buffoon pack guarantee gold stake change from beta

Like that solves a lot of the bullshit

[south pendant]

i mentioned it before and will say it again; someone mentioned a voucher idea to increase the perish +1

[plain plover]

that barely does anything

[south pendant]

and with the free skips on neg/poly/etc i think having a chance for it to have a bad sticker is a good thing for it being free

[torn isle]

I see why they made it free now tbh

[plain plover]

yeah that i don't mind

[torn isle]

I thought that was broken but it actually makes sense with how bad the shops can be now

Alternatively though

Just make the poly/neg etc. Tag skips guarantee the joker doesn't have a seal on it

But make it cost money still

[spiral comet]

that sort of feels boring tbh

plus free good joker with no stickers = dopamine

(note that not all runs are played on gold)

[proud pond]

I don't know if this was mentioned before but it kinda sucks to skip a blind to get a rare/poly joker only to have it be perishable, maybe jokers generated by skipped blinds can't have seals on them?

[spiral comet]

those moments do suck

but the tags don’t really imply this effect

ofc it can be changed tho if need be

[proud pond]

just very salty because this just happened to me

skipped 2 blinds for him 😔

[spiral comet]

i mean

5 free planets levels is great

[proud pond]

yeah that is true, I guess it's not that big of an issue, just frustrating missing out on 2 shops for a perishable joker

[fervent beacon]

The downsides of skipping

[spiral comet]

we remember the 30% of getting perishable stickers than the 70% of getting something else

[fervent beacon]

Also getting a bad legendary

[spiral comet]

i mean besides chicot being useful utility all other legendary jokers are decent

[hushed grotto]

Yeah I really respect localthunk's decision to make all the probabilities actually real tbh

instead of tweaking them behind the scenes to be more beneficial

[torn isle]

Just have it be a hidden thing that only appears on the stakes with joker seals

Like with invisible joker only saying doesn't copy negative when you have a negatgive

[spiral comet]

hidden effects should be avoided as much as possible tho

the negative warning probably only shows up when u have a negative cuz it’s useless info until you have one

[fervent beacon]

should I try my ultimate bloodstone build seed in this patch

I don't actually think I took 6s in that one but it's probably worth now

[languid radish]

I stopped checking but had to be close to like 100x

[torn isle]

Yeah so just hide the seal info until your on a stake with joker seals