yeah but a 4oak doesnt contain a two pair
#1.0.1c Experimental
rocky oar
little lion
I do not have the lag after loading a new area
little lion
I do not have the lag after loading a new area
I also do not have the lag when selecting cards
raven vapor
new 8 ball is the new old blood stone
have fun trying not to have a stroke reading that sentence
floral cedar
XD
raven vapor
also 5 free wins off the bat makes me think this number might go up in the near future 👀
violet elbow
just wanna give you a heads up the experimental build is not working on my work laptop
however the live one works fine
rocky oar
got a sextupled flush tag lmao
violet elbow
havent tried it on my actual gaming laptop after youve pushed the new changes now though
raven vapor
also petition to add a perishable challenge next to non perishable
could even serve as an early intro to perishable mechanic :>
harsh rune
When are we getting lunch box or refrigerator joker to help save or extend the life of perishables??? 😁 could also be a voucher or something.
high sundial
hi, playing a run and i think madness has a bug with perishable jokers; it didn't eat either of my two perishables on the right there and i think it should have
rocky oar
madness doesnt work on boss blind
wide grove
first gold stake win on new build 🙂
spiral comet
hi, playing a run and i think madness has a bug with perishable jokers; it didn'...
it doesn’t eat on boss blinds now
high sundial
WHAT
wide grove
wide grove
didn't even need my negative bones boi
rocky oar
alexa play despacito
wide grove
so, interesting strategy for this one - notice ante and round
😄
got blackboard and card sharp early, but card sharp perishable
found bull/bootstraps combo w/ half joker
skipped every round, played the 5th round of perishable card sharp in ante 8
for the boss
copper elk
also petition to add a perishable challenge next to non perishable
could even se...
complete with the Elder-Scroll-esque message
"With Gros Michel's extinction, the thread of luck is severed. Replay the run to restore the banana or perish with the jokers you have acquired!"
raven vapor
oh god lmao
wide grove
REALLY liking how perishable and skips are interacting for these kinds of aggressive runs. g et your build early, pray for decent skips if you've built your engine
raven vapor
fun concept tho
wide grove
curious if anyone else has tried something similar w/ speedrunning after the early build. could be effective in some cases.
also investment tag still is a bit too big
$20 seems better. $15 honestly still fine, but i do see a bigger need for rerolls now w the higher stakes having so many rentals
*highest
shell mortar
I think a huge emphasis in this version is encouraging skipping more.
copper elk
investment tag? more like "a small loan of 25$" tag
raven vapor
investment is now autoskip while <$10 and with shit eco more or less
i think it's fine, some tags should be viable past ante 1
because even with the huge buffs, i still only think about tags on ante 1 and sometimes take megabuffoon out of desperation
raven vapor
lmao i take turtle bean a lot now now that i think about it
all this perishable and rental nonsense makes food jokers so much better
like even just to draw gold/blue seals it's solid value
rocky oar
i will say its weird orange is perishable and gold is rental considering the economy deficit was orange before
floral cedar
Ive gone from red stake abandoned deck to purple stake abandoned throughout the day
frail belfry
@steep spruce Those 2 are mutually exclusive
burnt lichen
hmmm
grim pike
is this a bug? looks like it's thinking about something 😆
floral cedar
this run would have been so much better without eternal showman
jokers where negative stencil, I got invis to dupe it, and poly throwback
fading willow
Am I the only one who followed the instructions in the first post to enable the beta in steam but still seem to be launching the normal version instead of the experimental beta? I feel like there must be an obvious step I'm missing.
floral cedar
hard to help without a pic
raven vapor
close the game and wait for it to update for a bit maybe?
outer cypress
try verifying game files
rocky oar
this run would have been so much better without eternal showman
they should buff stencil by giving it a custom cardback where the stencil is still cut out lmao
fading willow
try verifying game files
thank you! that fixed it!
autumn egret
was there a small patch? just had a 36 kb update or something
plain plover
yeah that was the stealth patch to make the game harder for you specifically
raven vapor
bug fixes
autumn egret
nice 😎
candid sorrel
Goddamn 0 new tags?
floral cedar
I played abandoned deck for a few hours, swapped decks, and remembered that face cards exist and some of these cards actually have a perpose
modern kiln
Mime + Blue Seal is sooo fun now, like fr fr
floral cedar
average anaglyph run
floral cedar
also the game RLLY wants me to face crimson heart today
tulip radish
Am I risking anything by playing the beta build? I feel like I remember it splitting up my saves in Slay the Spire.
floral cedar
I like it cause its still balanced late game, just a small boost for early game
floral cedar
Am I risking anything by playing the beta build? I feel like I remember it split...
nah your fine, it carries over
tulip radish
Cool, excited to check it out and hopefully provide some feedback if I have any.
Thanks!
floral cedar
np
wintry timber
Having a buffoon pack in shop one of Jokerless seems like a dirty trick. The only buffoon is me apparently
raven vapor
oh i forgot to ask, can top up give rental/perishable now
and the same with soul/judgment
my guess is still no but that did make me pause during a run
elfin glade
I'm pretty sure creating a joker from any source doesn't apply stickers
desert ferry
i don't think it can
floral cedar
OH MY GOODNESS
desert ferry
otherwise, imagine getting like eternal seance from judgement
floral cedar
I just BARELY won against the goad when in the middle of mime + baron run and most of my kings are spades
won with duping a card with dna
XD
elfin glade
wtf
floral cedar
you dont see anything (trust)
neon totem
Nothing looks suspicious about this
floral cedar
I only have 2 uncommons smh
I love getting death, and then proceeding to make the weirdest noise possible for no reason other than exitement
solemn grove
ill still have my progress when i play experimental right?
outer cypress
ye
autumn egret
wow i love the anaskip deck
skipped into triple spectral pack -> wraith + hex + ankh on blueprint
skipped into double spectral pack -> wraith + ectoplasm on obelisk
round 11 clear on gold stake 💀
floral cedar
this run is so much fun lol
autumn egret
nice 😎 you even have flush fives out, enjoy the farming simulator
floral cedar
vagabond + burglar early game and now baron + mime+ steel+ red seal kings
autumn egret
oh lord LOL
autumn egret
is it the beginning of the end
autumn egret
huge!!
floral cedar
showman failed me 😦
shouldve taken the 3x throwback lol
oh god hook yeah Im screwed
raven vapor
ok do we have a flower pot seed or any definitive evidence that flower pot doesn't require suits to score now?
some people said that's the change but that wasn't in the patch notes
floral cedar
I lost
rocky oar
ok do we have a flower pot seed or any definitive evidence that flower pot doesn...
it still requires them to score it just works if theyre debuffed
half light
I definitely think $25 on the investment tag is overkill
honest wraith
I definitely think $25 on the investment tag is overkill
nah, i like it
half light
20 would be better
honest wraith
ok well got shortcut as ante 1 joker lol
dont be like me
half light
nah, i like it
That's so much
wide grove
dont be like me
ooooof
honest wraith
you also lose a ton from skipping in general, plus a lot of the time theres no immediate gain
half light
25 dollars is almost always worth it though
autumn egret
bloodstone might be a bit too good..
wide grove
bloodstone is def busted
autumn egret
ok well got shortcut as ante 1 joker lol
please donate me a shortcut 😔 rolling 200g on ante 8 to get my last gold stickerrrrr
wide grove
please donate me a shortcut 😔 rolling 200g on ante 8 to get my last gold sticke...
🙏 🙏
still waiting for my first celestial pack w nebula deck
lol
ante 3
autumn egret
lool
autumn egret
working on it 😔
autumn egret
OKAY!!
wide grove
run saved
autumn egret
run with runner
wide grove
buffed saturn + runner + shortcut
next shop: eternal egg, no celestial pack lol
ok next shop: The Order lol
all is forgiven
dawg i still have one celestial pack in 4 antes though
wintry timber
Ive gotten 2 poly eternal shortcuts
Do they stack?
floral cedar
stickers? no. But they were different runs anyways
the ability of shortcut also doesnt stack
wintry timber
No two shortcuts
floral cedar
yeah no sorry
wintry timber
Boo that would be cool
floral cedar
would be cool though
wintry timber
Someone tag local thunk lol
wide grove
straights can be played w literally any cards
wintry timber
bloodstone is def busted
What would be better:
1/2 chance for x1. 5
1/3 chance for x2
wide grove
What would be better:
1/2 chance for x1. 5
1/3 chance for x2
1/2 chance for x1.5 is more consistent w other cards
wintry timber
That might be a good in between if the current one stays consistently busted
wintry timber
I feel like the diamond uncommon joker is now strictly the worst
wide grove
i had good luck w it early for scaling though last game
as a late game ante bloodstone is killer
diamonds early is good for econ on high antes
floral cedar
whats everyones take on vampire now?
autumn egret
it's useable, but definitely a shell of its former self
wide grove
whats everyones take on vampire now?
i don't take it anymore
floral cedar
same
summer nest
using it rn its working pretty well lol
wide grove
i play higher stakes generally so take w/ salt
summer nest
on orange
wide grove
lower stakes i think it's still fine
drifting vortex
Ooh, let's give this a whirl. Was vampire very good before? I can't tell if the xmult is worth nearly never being able to have card mods, unless you have an engine to get them going really well
floral cedar
hmm
wide grove
higher stakes, early on it's not providing enough scaling and you can't generally generate enough econ anymore
vampire was very, very good before
lapis briar
vampire looks kinda dead
autumn egret
yea you can't early pick vamp
wide grove
u didn't need any more cards early if you had at least one good flat mult or had scaled a flush build
floral cedar
like unless vagabond and vamp which is 2 RARES there isnt much chance Im picking vampire
and even then Im not gonna take it most of the time
wide grove
now it doesn't scale fast enough on top of flat mult or base mults
so you can't survive early antes without additional cards, which comes out of your econ, which means less upgrades
midas / vamp still viable. cartomancer helps a lot too, and vagabond (but now it's rare)
lapis briar
i wouldve liked to see more straight buffs, but this list seems really good
high card seems mostly untouched
burnt card and vampire hit hurts ita bit
stuntman nerf is fake
wide grove
for high stakes: rental vamp way too expensive. perishable vamp can't scale fast enough.
eternal vamp you're kinda committed anyway when you take it
summer nest
vamp still works definitely worse than before but xMult is xMult
drifting vortex
right, Midas would really get an engine going. Otherwise you need to be pitching in constantly for tarot packs or card packs to snag things that vamp can drain. Although with regular packs, that would have synergy with hologram, but good luck
lapis briar
- Changed Uncommon tag - Now makes the uncommon joker free
- Changed Rare tag - Now makes the rare joker free
- Negative, Polychrome, Holo, Foil tags all make their respective joker free
i think these are the biggest changes
thats insanely good
summer nest
- Changed Uncommon tag - Now makes the uncommon joker free
- Changed Rare tag - ...
i think the holo tag singlehandedly carries early game
its insane
wide grove
vamp still works definitely worse than before but xMult is xMult
what's he at
lapis briar
yea
drifting vortex
- Changed Uncommon tag - Now makes the uncommon joker free
- Changed Rare tag - ...
those are REALLY big.
lapis briar
hanging chad seems really good now for a lot of interesting scaling ideas
floral cedar
I mean, thats just your average high card run no?
lapis briar
Changed the first shop in every run to always include a normal Buffoon pack as one of the pack options this and the free tags are MASSIVEW
summer nest
yeah, but i wouldve lost without vampire
lament mortar
hanging chad seems really good now for a lot of interesting scaling ideas
The buffs really focused on the chad part of it’s name
summer nest
card sharp was gotten ante 7
autumn egret
gamers, it is happening
lament mortar
Oops all 2x
drifting vortex
Changed the first shop in every run to always include a normal Buffoon pack as o...
oh right yes yes this. makes it way less likely your first shop will be useless
wide grove
i provide prayers
drifting vortex
slight nerf to the suit jokers, that's a bit of a pity
wide grove
ok that straight build was dead easy on black stake
straights scale wicked fast now. you don't even invest in deck thinning if you have shortcut lol
lapis briar
Is rental card and additive +3 or +3 every round?
lapis briar
sorry yea
floral cedar
its just consistent -3 dollars at end of round
floral cedar
👍🏻
summer nest
wanted to post this again now that thunk is on, to the moon gives interest even if perished
autumn egret
as if it wasn't over before 💀
wide grove
wowie
latent lintel
before i put actual effort in blue stake, does progression in experimental versions carry over once the version is fully released?
autumn egret
yup!
floral cedar
litterally 4x per heart is insane
elfin glade
wanted to post this again now that thunk is on, to the moon gives interest even ...
Some jokers previously didn't interact with being debuffed
floral cedar
now be like me and forget to reroll the boss when it is the head
elfin glade
It's possible this is still the case
floral cedar
I did that earlier today
and thats why I dont have gold stake painted deck
even though Ive had orange stake for around a month and a half
elfin glade
as if it wasn't over before 💀
Xmult spam builds are always so satisfying.
autumn egret
just as i got this 😎
floral cedar
LOL nice
hushed grotto
Triboulet 2
elfin glade
Also Thunk pls make Baseball card uncommon
autumn egret
holy moly imagine
hushed grotto
Still can't believe I managed to get a bloodstone run working on gold stake pre-buff
that was an incredible experience lmao
floral cedar
#1226687886980681870 message around here was my bloodstone + oops all 6s run
autumn egret
the plot thickens..
floral cedar
LOL
floral cedar
https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1226687886980681870/12269327938...
#1226687886980681870 message 5 mil per hand 😭
elfin glade
Another Seance gamer
autumn egret
no shortcut :((
floral cedar
rip
hushed grotto
shortcut has quickly become one of my favorite jokers
ever since i did stakes on the abandoned deck
It's so fun
floral cedar
Shortcut is cool, but I rarely get it when I want it
wide badger
Do we discuss bugs on the PTR here or in the bug forum?
hushed grotto
Here
floral cedar
Post bugs here if its this version
wide badger
Doing the 15-minute challenge.
I've played a total of 22 straights.
The "Runner" joker has just come in the shops but it doesn't look to be applying retroactively.
It says +10 chips per straight, currently at +20 chips).
I wonder if it's not working with the shortcut joker as most of my straights had a gap in it.
I would have thought "Runner" would be impacted by all 22 straights I've played.
wide grove
it's never been backward looking
you have to charge it
it's not like Fortune Teller
wide badger
Why does it say already at +20 chips then?
wide grove
Why does it say already at +20 chips then?
that's the initial charge
wide badger
Gotcha. Thanks.
autumn egret
yea you can compare the wording here
gritty knoll
Goddamn 0 new tags?
Just now I noticed I got mentioned lmao.
Bruh. For real
Only an eternal joker
Oh but I actually did replace a lusty which was perishable midrun
fleet token
i feel like perishable is much higher than 30% so far from my playing
autumn egret
definitely feel like my winrate has gone up on gold stake new patch, but i'm not sure if that's just because i'm not constantly resetting the start or if the end of the game feels easier
i really like perishables especially early on though, letting you have an incentive to swap out jokers midgame
gritty knoll
i feel like perishable is much higher than 30% so far from my playing
But you never beating my “the whell” just making me draw 5 cards face down
1 in 7
Suuuure
autumn egret
wait did you have oops all 6's for that
gritty knoll
No I did not. Look
autumn egret
ahh it's very funny when all 6's applies the 2 of 7 buff to this guy lmao
seems like you just got ⭐ UNLUCKY ⭐
gritty knoll
My boy I can take this unluck for all card games. Balatros 5 in 8 is just one of my most recent
abstract grail
What is the general consensus on the difficulty of higher stakes now? I have 6 orange and 7 gold stakes wins left to get comp+, wondering if I should try to most of them before the patch x)
wide grove
cruisin' through nebula deck now
trying to get it up to orange stake so i can try this out
wide grove
What is the general consensus on the difficulty of higher stakes now? I have 6 o...
i find them similar, but gold stake a lot more strategic vs "do i get stuntman"
autumn egret
i've been finding the experimental patch a lot more consistent to get runs started, and a lot more flexible in the midgame trying to swap to a build that can beat ante 8
so even if it's not easier, it's wayyyy more fun
elfin glade
i find them similar, but gold stake a lot more strategic vs "do i get stuntman"
High Card meta was real
wide grove
my gold stake run earlier was still a High Card run but it was a lot more strategy around skipping to preserve my Perishable jokers
vs just "do i have stuntman"
reef garden
gold stake is way more fun now
wide grove
i think orange and gold both more fun
reef garden
for sure
autumn egret
i'm super excited to watch lifecoach 50 streak yellow deck gold stake in the coming months
wide grove
rental jokers... tbd. i saw an early review from @fierce mica that sounded like my thoughts
reef garden
it's an interesting balance
autumn egret
it honestly feels very possible with this patch
abstract grail
I see, perhaps I should really just finish the rest in the patch then
wide grove
perishable is a way more strategic mechanic. rentals just aren't worth it most of the time and require a lot of in-hand management
reef garden
i think I have a winning gold stake run right now
autumn egret
rental jokers... tbd. i saw an early review from <@1216983881253785640> that sou...
do you have a link to this? would love to read it
reef garden
triboulet and blueprint
autumn egret
perishable is a way more strategic mechanic. rentals just aren't worth it most o...
rentals are worth once your econ is set up imo
autumn egret
thanks chief
wide grove
it's around 5 min in
reef garden
rentals are worth once your econ is set up imo
yeah this seems right so far, but you definitely need to pay attention to them
wide grove
yeah this seems right so far, but you definitely need to pay attention to them
there's a lot of strategy around selling rentals mid-hand where you've already gotten benefit but don't want to pay upkeep
for utility jokers primarily
abstract grail
I haven't played with the new patch yet, but too me the only thing that is weird is vamp, idk if that is a common sentiment, but having it nerfed and on top of that moved to rare is weird
wide grove
personally i do not love strats that mandate additional in-hand management for optimal play
but it's def strategic and that's better than rand()
hardy mesa
Do we know if there are any save file issues that come from swapping between the experimental and live patches?
reef garden
instead of having as many dead runs due to rng now it feels like there's more strategy
jade grove
How do I report a bug?
hardy mesa
floral cedar
if its this version post it here
jade grove
Even for 1.0.1c?
floral cedar
no
wide grove
LOL here we go
floral cedar
post it here
wide grove
ante 1 holo stuntman pull. no skip required
doesn't matter how many patches u do. runs get made for u 🤷♂️
jade grove
Uhhh so like, if you get a coupon tag followed by a foil tag (im guessing any of the edition tags though), you get unlimited effects of the foil (edition?) tags
recreate on erratic deck with seed XEQH7CP9
skip first two blinds
jade grove
ahahah i thought i was going crazy when my entire shop was going foil
also the buffoon pack gets the foil too??
I'm not sure if that's how the tag is meant to work
floral cedar
For some reason I did your seed and got holographic
floral cedar
I'm not sure if that's how the tag is meant to work
It isnt, so idek
floral cedar
makes sense
cant wait for someone to get "oops all negative!"
there is one chance this is a different bug actually
jade grove
At least it doesn't make them free, it just gives them all editions
jade grove
Wily Joker + Full House >>>>>>
burnt lichen
no, fuck wily joker (fuck you)
*for clarification, the "(fuck you)" is towards wily
jade grove
😦
granite helm
Isn’t this the same bug as the all ten of spades bug?
jade grove
I'm trying to recreate on an unseeded run
floral cedar
nah its a different bug
jade grove
I'll report back when I figure it out
devout jackal
I'm not sure if that's how the tag is meant to work
that's not how this tag work
jade grove
From the looks of it, it doesn't look like it works the other way around at least (edition before coupon)
floral cedar
and then do x/0, meaning nan
floral cedar
From the looks of it, it doesn't look like it works the other way around at leas...
Its a different bug
not relateed
do the same seed without skipping and you will see that
devout jackal
I think this seed causes some internal bugs (just like a seed making the erratic deck full of ♠️10)
jade grove
Just wanted to confirm, seems like a seed bug (for now)
SW3NBQTH, coupon + edition tag (polychrome not holo) doesn't work
I just want to make sure with coupon + holo
tulip leaf
it has nothing to do with tags
there's a bug where some seeds divide something by 0, causing wacky outputs
spare shuttle
yeah i remember someone having seed where every single joker was holo
sounds wild
riff-raff was spawning only holos, every joker in shop was holo
lament mortar
Oops all holo
wide grove
okay purple stake done on nebula
FINALLY get to test out orange here
can confirm Saturn is making straights viable for nebula runs. no shortcut that time. card sharp barely got me there on the last ante. had runner again but never found a shortcut
tawdry crystal
hey if i play the beta does it mess with my save file and do i still earn achievements ?
raven vapor
no, yes
floral cedar
yeah i remember someone having seed where every single joker was holo
yeah its the same seed XD
thatsa 1 in a 3ish trillion chance of happening
forest goblet
yea. perishable rental banana is a thing
jolly pawn
i am getting some god awful runs on gold stake in this version but I still feel much better about the changes
less time holding R more time actually doing things
IM THROWING I DIDNT SEE IT WAS ETERNAL
guess chaos is staying
vast frost
$2 reroll discount (at the cost you have to use the reroll)
wide grove
😂
jolly pawn
i did lose that run
next run started w/ a straight flush though
is it just me or is the flint showing up earlier
ive had it ante 2 on 3 runs in a row
jolly pawn
it hurts early (well it would hurt if i didnt get 2 polys)
but i did
still feels weird playing with no mods after using reshuffled for so long
hidden helm
Vampire nerf seems excessive
I'd keep it as rare, keep it as only scored cards
but with .2x
if for balance .1x is preferable then I'd make it uncommon
serene drum
so it turns out that stake rules are determined when the run starts. if you start a gold run in experimental and then switch to live version and continue the run. it's basicalyy purple stake, as the -1 hand size and expensive packs dont apply, and the perish and renting doesnt exist
latent lintel
so beat blue stake on one of my first few attempts on this version; bloodstone buff almost certainly helped
frail bison
so it turns out that stake rules are determined when the run starts. if you star...
lmao
split ferry
fellas, what should i sell here?
raven vapor
that's some good cheddar
split ferry
i'm gonna greed and assume i survive long enough for fingers and runner to scale higher than blue joker so i can thin
wide grove
BAM. another orange stake run where perishable + skips was critical
grabbed throwback joker midway and a perishable bloodstone mid ante 5
skipped most of the remaining conflicts, bloodstone perished after ante 8 boss defeated
split ferry
nice
wide grove
throwback carried the mult on yet another straight run on nebula
my experience has been very consistent in this patch
raven vapor
nebula straights seems kinda good possibly
might look into nebula streaks at some point
wide grove
- perishable mechanic interaction w upgraded skips is an awesome strategic upgrade, runs go faster too even with extra thought at higher stakes
- straights are viable if you have access to planet upgrades readily + you luck in to shortcut / runner early
raven vapor
also anaglyph anything
wide grove
this was yet another runner run. i didn't get to start scaling it til about halfway through but it was infinite so 🤷♂️
raven vapor
lmao my runs doubled in length because of thinking
but theoretically rounds should go down xd
wide grove
autumn quiver
glass cards 💀
wide grove
also - grabbed spectrals for Hex after had a single infinite poly joker via a skip early to lock in fib scaling.
raven vapor
glass joker value
wide grove
ok so now it is gold stake time for nebula
autumn quiver
glass joker 📈
wide grove
@jolly pawn what ante / deck / stake
autumn quiver
Wheel boss getting 4x buff 💀
jolly pawn
ante 1 (boutta die on ante 2)
ghost deck blue stake
i got nothing else good in any shop
wide grove
no flat mult to survive?
wide grove
LOL these are the kind of decisions that reallllly get me in Gold Stake. let's weigh in on this.
wide grove
first of all - i will yet again complain that A FREE RARE JOKER IS NOT FREE IF YOU HAVE TO PAY A DOLLAR
split ferry
ante 1 :O
autumn quiver
huh
wide grove
i mean i have to buy green joker or I die right
at blue stake? u could survive w a flush
autumn quiver
rental joker spawned from a tag is not free?
split ferry
gigantic high card
wide grove
rental joker spawned from a tag is not free?
yes it is apparently currently not free
i bitched about it earlier lol
wide grove
ill trust you ill take the risk
4 times 1.5 times 1.5 = 9
jolly pawn
huge
wide grove
high straight would do it too
wide grove
back to my fun problem - do you take the infinite expensive burnt holographic joker early
wide grove
if only i had any other joker to use this on
oh nooooooooo
for the sake of lol - i will be taking the infinite holo burnt joker and going for a high card run on nebula deck
find stuntman = win. don't find stuntman = lose
autumn quiver
that reddit post about a guy losing to final boss at gold stake with 1 chip short
wide grove
ok. fck me up fam
jolly pawn
this can only go well
autumn quiver
hex + ankh = most broken early-game combo
jolly pawn
i have an eternal currently but itll just pick the right card, trust
or maybe i just hex ankh smiley face
yeah ill just do that
errant sun
I love that ur pfp now has rental on it
wide grove
ya that was an urgent upgrade
guys this run is a mess lol
i have negative money
but i'm on ante 6
i am keeping a debuffed joker in my inventory bc i have a swashbuckler lol
nope. it's ovah
so confirmed there is a limit as to how much renting you can afford to do in the early stakes even when holographic
ok wtf. THIS time in the round one polychrome skip, my rental joker is NOT $1
jolly pawn
violet vessel lost me the run
wide grove
no idea why sometimes with the skip it's free or not. maybe it's skipping for rarity vs skipping for holo/foil/poly?
frosty pilot
they should all be free, but I think it's bugged to not work right
jolly pawn
i take blueprint every time here right
frosty pilot
afaik
jolly pawn
like there's no reason to take invis
autumn egret
yup
jolly pawn
great
autumn egret
nice choice 😎
summer nest
hanging chad photograph is nuts
jolly pawn
currently overwhelmed
idk what my build is doing right now
tribe and throwback just showed up
¯_(ツ)_/¯
oh they made swashbuckler sell value of all jokers
thats so nice
summer nest
oops all 6's doesnt care if it gets debuffed either
baseball card also doesnt care if the uncommon is debuffed
first gold stake 1.0.1 win
had half my decks lucky jacks
autumn egret
def one of the worst feelings on the new patch
floral cedar
like there's no reason to take invis
Unless you get crimson heart and you have 1 joker being your main joker so when its debuffed the bp is also bad its the right option 😊
I hate when I take showman for 5 antes, and it just does not pay off
jolly pawn
how do I order these to get the most out of blueprint brainstorm
drivers license is not ready and throwback is on 2.75x
+28 on swash
floral cedar
Depends on the hand you play
jolly pawn
id use that calculator but itll probably be wrong cause of swash changes
all my hands are level 1 but straight and flush are pretty likely with 4 fingers
floral cedar
swash should be first though I think, even if bs then has to be not on throwback
so prob swash, brainstorm, bp, throwback, ect.
jolly pawn
sold trading card for smeared
its ante 8 im going all in on flush
it's crimson heart so I should be okay
floral cedar
said nobody-
floral cedar
anyways gl, Im tryna sleep
autumn egret
night!!
wide grove
ugh. got walled
autumn egret
lol
floral cedar
XD, I got today off but tmr 
jolly pawn
my red seal glass card that i made in ante 3 is about to pay off
autumn egret
it's TOIME
floral cedar
lol, fair enough
floral cedar
oh yeah, sleeping
floral cedar
I mean Zzzzzzz
autumn egret
imo yorick feels too strong
unlike the other 3 legendaries, he's nearly snap pickable
jolly pawn
isnt yorick the 23 discards one
autumn egret
yep, but each card counts towards the total
jolly pawn
unlike the other 3 legendaries, he's nearly snap pickable
also theres 5 legendaries
lost bramble
think investment tag forces hold R simulator for ante 1 feels too punishing not to get it w/ new buff - prob needs to be disabled ante 1 and ante2+ can get it
$15 ante3+ was too bad. w/ $25 is worth considering not just broken
autumn egret
also theres 5 legendaries
hahah perkeo isn't just a legendary, he's a deity 💀
spiral comet
fml
autumn egret
kind of a joke, but i think yorick and perkeo are so much easier to slot in than the other legendaries
snow wagon
Can confirm that the better skips and buffoon pack start don’t stop black deck from being complete garbage
autumn egret
man half of me wants to try that out, and half of me doesn't want to touch black deck ever again lol
wide grove
welp, just pulled another infinite rental egg
autumn egret
another yorick run in the books
i love the changes to him but he really does feel too strong imo
that being said he's a legendary, so i guess it's fine
spiral comet
it's fine considering how some other combos exist
new yorick is way more consistent
in helping to win
autumn egret
yeah i think you're right, i'm conflating "consistency" with "power"
wide grove
second infinite egg of the run
autumn egret
lool that's a hard shell
wide grove
i think i am boned
tiny grail
second infinite egg of the run
find a swashbuckler
wide grove
i'm already walking the tightrope
autumn egret
holy moly bloodboard
wide grove
bloodstone did not bleed enough
tiny grail
RIP
wide grove
gold stake is really punishing w eternals still
i think, again, the ratios need to be shifted
you really want to be able to shift through jokers early - great, perishable won't hurt too bad. but you get stuck w so many unscalable pulls like mystic summit, etc
it isn't possible to take that into the later antes with limited joker slots, and if u don't find the neg joker skip (which is HUGE in gold stake now but crazy risky) the math doesn't math
and god forbid you hit vessel
so i still think something like - 25% eternal, 35% perishable, 40% normal, with 25% chance of rental tag for gold stake
and orange (but no rental)
autumn egret
i remember reading about how people tend to massively overrate negative tag
and while it's free, without good control over the outcome of the joker, i'm starting to agree
wide grove
skipping value has been changed period though
and in gold stake you kind of need the gamble still
autumn egret
so many times i've taken negative and just gotten a negg
at least if i gamba on holo or foil, i'm guaranteed to have something that'll be useful
wide grove
yea the bigger problem now is negative is often perishable or rental 😂
vast frost
I mean rare tag is way better now
autumn egret
yea that's excluding using a rare into negative tag
wide grove
i think i'm gonna save my next try for tmrw
one last go to see if i get a running start
starting w rare/poly skips
GASP
i got a WHAT
a rare poly mult card that ISN'T perishable or eternal or rented?!?!?!?
and WHO is that next to him
let's cook
floral cedar
I coulsnt sleep 
floral cedar
funny enough I had this same conbo earlier today lol
split ferry
i beat my seedless pb let's go
unfortunately the scoring hand had a red steel instead of the fifth red glass in it
spiral comet
credit card but irl
torn isle
i think investment tag was already S tier before the patch because taking it after you get a decent early game build that washes early stake was just always a good move and now its sometimes the best play even when you might risk losing
25 to instantly be able to start interest stacking is ridiculous
also the buff on the next joker is (enhanced modifier) was dumb and some skips not being auto-skips (like the +3 hand one or the reroll one) is fine and they didnt need a buff to be generically good and not situational
it also has the unintended effect where now the deck that gives hex is awful because you can just reroll runs for polychrome tag on first small blind
whole crater
opened buffoon pack from skip tag, went back to menu and when I reopened the run I'm now greeted with no jokers and no skip button
torn isle
and its actually better than that
solar oriole
Delayed Gratification vs Mail-In Rebate. When I accidentally discard the right card, Rebate casually gives me $5 like it's nothing. But if the stars align and I draw the right hand to start with Delayed Gratification gives me $4. Or maybe I waste 2 hands instead of discarding, and then Delayed Gratification give me a net +2$. Feels bad.
I'll never forget when I first realized the Rebate buff after I accidentally earning $15.
formal crystal
Ancient joker popping off
Yeah delayed gratification is in a weird case against blue stake
twilit dune
i mean even without blue stake its kind of bad imo
formal crystal
It should be buffed to 3$ probably so there's actual reward behind it
twilit dune
it could be $4 and it would still be ok maybe
twilit dune
on blue stake not really
before thet tho yeah probably
formal crystal
Its 8$ per round if you are doing high card
twilit dune
i mean thafs a lot but there is a condition
tame rain
i love most of this update but the changes to orange stake make me feel sad :( i feel like every joker that shows up is perishable
autumn quiver
30% chance may feel like a lot, when combining with eternal's 30%
tame rain
the fact that they can show up in buffoon packs feels cruel, i miss being able to build a synergy and actually stick with it... i get that it's supposed to encourage frequent pivots but it really feels like i'm pigeonholed into a sub-par strategy that i can't pivot off of because everything else that i would WANT to pivot to is perishable
tame rain
tbh i'd rather just pay more for packs
autumn quiver
I'd say having stickered jokers in buffoon packs is more like a bug fix
while enforced buffoon pack in first shop in jokerless is... meh
raven vapor
does it even matter? other than bait people into taking it once and realizing 0/0 slots
feels like early game stake nerfs alone kinda makes up for it :p
autumn quiver
I believe this change in orange/gold stake is to allow more diversity, rather than forcing players to focus on high card/pairs
rancid marsh
i love most of this update but the changes to orange stake make me feel sad :( i...
maybe it should be increasingly less likely to see the same sticker in every shop/reroll? so if u have a mega buffoon pack then very likely one of them will be clean
tame rain
it feels real gross to have both jokers in the shop be perishable
i get what it's trying to do but iunno, it just doesn't feel fun
spiral comet
high card snoozefest was even worse
that was me autopiloting r button simulator while suffering in manacle simulator simultaneously
new gold stake makes me actually think
tame rain
i have no problem with rental
my issue is with perishable
manacle sim sucked ass and new gold is way more fun
spiral comet
if i had to use boss blinds to describe new stake effects it's just a more convoluted crimson heart * the tooth combo
to an extent
tame rain
the impending doom effect of perishable just makes me feel queasy picking one up
rancid marsh
honestly i like the fact that it forces you to plan for rng but its just a little overtuned perhaps
tame rain
all im saying is it's not as fun, high card snoozefest aside you'd still just be rolling to get one that's not perishable
spiral comet
i think we got a bit used to "permanent stuff"
perishable is indeed annoying but they did exist as food jokers
they just became way more frequent (and sometimes annoying)
tame rain
i have no problems with the existing timed jokers like popcorn/icecream/banana since i can expect that going into it when i see it
spiral comet
when you get perishable turtle bean:
sly briar
Aaaaaaaaa, recently finally got my first win on Orange Stake (ever)!
It came down to utilizing my Perishable Throwback's 2 rounds left before its debuff and skipping the Small and Big Blinds on Antes 7 and 8 to bring it to the Ante 8 Boss Blind, whew!
(Will play more and get more of a feel for Perishable (& later Rental) Jokers but so far Perishable seems interesting! It's a bit funny to have 'em temporarily, then needing to pivot to other things by the time they expire ;u; A lot of the other changes seem interesting and appreciated too, like being able to see the next Ante's Blinds and Skip Tags after defeating the current Ante's Boss Blind, Edition & Rare/Uncommon joker tags making their jokers free, etc.)
tame rain
but it makes me feel sad when i see something like this
raven vapor
well, that only happens 30% of the time
tame rain
the chemical my brain receives upon seeing this image makes me stressed
like i might just want to reset and hope it's not perishable next time
raven vapor
i guess people react differently when things are untakeable xd
like i've built up enough tolerance to feel nothing when i have $5 and see blueprint in ante 1 shop, but that's not universal lmao
tame rain
all the good jokers i saw today were perishable
maybe i'm just unlucky but i closed the game feeling worse than when i launched it
rancid marsh
well, that only happens 30% of the time
its actually quite likely (i saw 2 of these in the same run)
quartz furnace
I like the perishable mechanic, personally. Yeah, sometimes they will mean you don't take a joker at all, but other times it just means this joker helps me get through the next ante until I find something else.
rancid marsh
ive seen multiple tragedies in every run ive tried so far
raven vapor
i mean ye tragedies will happen consistently
but in exchange you get to buy tarot packs and pet lucky cat :>
rancid marsh
I like the perishable mechanic, personally. Yeah, sometimes they will mean you d...
i personally really like it too i just feel like its way too hard lmao
tame rain
compared to old orange it's quite the jump
rancid marsh
even the +1 hand size in gold stake is harder than before
raven vapor
and unless you're playing painted deck you can always waste 1 joker slot on a eternal to get through early game and beat the game with 4 jokers
for me so far it's felt much easier, might be deck dependent
blue deck/anaglyph deck might have 80%+ winrate
rancid marsh
maybe im just trash 
tame rain
i'm trying to finish off my nebula sticker
raven vapor
nebula should be theoretically much better if you can play straights
now how consistent is 8 hs straights ._. yeah
tame rain
with 2 discards? not likely
fading jacinth
Seeing a possibly defining joker but then perishable or rental kinda hurts, but then I haven't played a serious orange/gold run since update so it's hard to judge for me.
tame rain
rental i can live with, more money down for a joker that i actually care about is worth the investment
but more often than not, perishable makes me just roll past it
fading jacinth
my runs in this update were mostly memeing around and fiddling with new stuff.
raven vapor
rental makes the game easier and i've played enough to die on this hill i think
perishable is pretty awful no question lol
rancid marsh
rental makes the game easier and i've played enough to die on this hill i think
...
!?!?!?!?!?
how is it easier
fading jacinth
Getting temporary jokers for only $1/4/7 I think
rancid marsh
like 95% of the time they cost more so idk
raven vapor
most jokers cost $4+, so unless you're keeping it long term you get least 1 round of usage before you have to pay full price
and you get to abuse some jokers for free like hallucination/cartomancer/several eco cards/chaos the clown
rancid marsh
fair
raven vapor
so maybe not objectively easier, but in some sense the early game is at least much more survivable
like scrap together some random trash and you can make it to ante 4-5 semi consistently then find top end score somehow
spiral comet
yea my weak runs all fall off ante 4-5 now instead of 1-2
snow wagon
most jokers cost $4+, so unless you're keeping it long term you get least 1 roun...
I think for how important finding scaling jokers can be the near 50% chance of perishable or rental kinda stinks
tame rain
the slower score ramp up due to the purple/green stake changes contributes to the longer survival rates methinks
raven vapor
and that's where planets/blue seal come in
spiral comet
ye
raven vapor
you have an alternative to needing scalers
spiral comet
note that higher antes are left unchanged
they just made early game slightly easier so builds have a slight better chance of taking off
snow wagon
Perishable ride the bus 😔
tame rain
hate that^
rancid marsh
ride the bus 😔
spiral comet
perishable green joker 😔
raven vapor
f for perishable scalers
snow wagon
Rental bull/bootstraps
raven vapor
at the same time, some jokers actually exist now
i just watched someone make odd todd 2pair work lmfao
snow wagon
tame rain
ya a bit underthought in that department, seeing perishable scalers makes me shrivel up
raven vapor
eh, just needs a shift in mentality probably
tame rain
a strong word perhaps but it is my initial impression
raven vapor
it's a massive shake up of the meta and it's gonna take some time to get used to
tame rain
i dont think scalers were the problem tho, is the thing
find more times i'm just resetting to find a good scaler early on
snow wagon
I wonder if blue stake will ever get a rework
tame rain
and then seeing the lil blue sticker on one that i was looking for feels like a punch in the gut
then i hold R
snow wagon
Feels like it’s the same type of deal as the old orange and gold stake difficulties
tepid copper
maybe rentals and perishables should be swapped
rancid marsh
maybe rentals and perishables should be swapped
yeah but gold being for money makes more sense
tepid copper
like, gold stake should introduce perishables, not orange stake
raven vapor
find more times i'm just resetting to find a good scaler early on
yeah this doesn't really work in this beta, resetting is kinda hard nerfed
if you're resetting i almost recommend taking holo/polychrome tags instead of checking pack
fading jacinth
Make perishable jokers slightly cheaper? You still have them diluting the pool for building stuff, but doing this might make picking up perishables for temporary use more palatable.
tame rain
i bought a $10 perishable blueprint today
raven vapor
yeah i can see it, eco is kinda all over the place atm
tame rain
while worth the price for the 5 rounds i would get to use it, i lost the second it expired because there was nothing even remotely comparable to replace it with
raven vapor
you make a ton of money and bleed away a ton of it resetting and going through perishable trash
quartz furnace
I do like the idea of buy price lowering if perishable
snow wagon
Feels like it’s the same type of deal as the old orange and gold stake difficult...
To expand on this, it’s a defacto shift to easier hands and snipes the discard based jokers really hard
tame rain
ya i stopped doing full house and straights after blue
unless i get a way to expand my discards
snow wagon
Post blue stake banner just feels so meh for how restrictive it is
No discards for what is basically a sly joker
tame rain
with 2 discards, i feel like straights can only be reliably attained with 4 finger or shortcut, and even with that it takes up a joker slot that could work better with pair or high card
can't adjust the content of your deck to make straights better since it relies on variety
snow wagon
Tbf I think cheaper packs and buffed Saturn was a huge straight buff
tame rain
don't matter how good my straights are if i can't guarantee that i'm able to put one together
raven vapor
the problem is how consistently can you pivot into straight early to take advantage of them
the answer is unclear
like honestly a juggler/drunkard is almost enough but that's still asking for a joker
snow wagon
I had so many runs today in magic where I got an early saturn and used my fools on it into not getting any straight synergy cards 😭
Or getting runner at most
One run gave me a perishable shortcut
tame rain
straight synergy cards work good with straights and nothing else
snow wagon
Tbf most flush cards aren’t friendly either
raven vapor
it's not much
tame rain
at least flushes are easy to put together
snow wagon
Suit tarots are duds in non flush builds
tame rain
seeing double and flower pot are good use cases for them, provided that you have the tarot in your consumable slot
but yeah total duds on tarot packs
tame rain
helps make up the difference when you have all but one of the one you need
ya
i find it useful for blackboard as well, just holding onto a moon just in case i draw a pesky heart after i'm out of discards
raven vapor
yerp
tame rain
i find that i just make as much of my deck into club/suits just so blackboard is easier to take later, in the event i can't find a better tarot card to use in a pack
raven vapor
if you get all suit change tarots lean spade/club because blackboard
(and like arrowhead/onyx are honestly ok)
tame rain
love onyx
snow wagon
I think we should wait on any assessment on the strength of straights in higher stakes.
But if it’s still weak I’d prob take a look at runner
raven vapor
well, it's already viable in painted deck, the question is is it viable elsewhere
+1 handsize makes it somewhat interesting
snow wagon
I think it compares fairly unfavorably to other per hand played scalers
Especially cuz you’re prob trying to win in 1 hand with straights
Just feels a bit slow too scale considering the effort required to build straights
raven vapor
eh, if you can get 1 straight a blind it's a fine card to me
but i think it's not even there
snow wagon
And the amount of hands you tend to play with them
snow wagon
eh, if you can get 1 straight a blind it's a fine card to me
but i think it's no...
I mean if you don’t get a straight in a straight build you probably died
raven vapor
well its existence means you can score ok-ish even without straights right
assuming you've scaled it up at least a little bit
like just draw to a flush every so often
foggy bison
new yorick is nuts if you can get the extra discards per round, first gold stake i played on the new version and this joker changed everything, super happy with the rework to both yorick and gold stake (same to the magician rework, a lot more worth using now)
snow wagon
16x mult is crazy
foggy bison
merry andy for +3 discard, wasteful for +1 means 30 discards per round, which is a whole yorick cycle and an additional 7 discards, some of the best scaling on a single mult joker in the game (especially now that vamp is nerfed)
that said, i think like the other legendaries (minus chicot) it's not going to be this strong without the synergies but +x1 mult per round being possible is insane regardless
tame rain
reminds me of this run i got a few days ago
(not on this version obv but canio is unchanged in this anyway im p sure)
regal raft
hey hey, are the steam achievements unlocking with this beta buiild of game?
spiral comet
ye
regal raft
is it something nerfed? sorry my english is not very well but i see in changelog many boost to the game for in-plus
and looks like game should be easier now
i have for now maybe only 10% of my runs won
only
hehe
night basin
Hi there. I played the new experimental update for a bunch of games and would like to give some feedback. Hope this is the right place. most importantly I think Bloodstone is a bit too strong now, it really carries games. Maybe 2 in 5 would better than 1 in 2? I also think Vampire being tripple nerfed is a bit too much, it has to be nerfed but maybe 2 out of 3 nerfs is better than all three. The point nerfs in the antes are great I think, feel really balanced.
waxen wolf
it is indeed the right place
night basin
I also still really think Superposition needs a buff because I really tried but it's hard to get it do to much.
torn isle
perishable in combination with eternal is genuinely miserable lol
somber lava
perishable cannot stack with eternal
torn isle
gold stake pre beta was easier and thats saying something
torn isle
perishable cannot stack with eternal
im saying having both in the same run
loike for the sohp pool
somber lava
shoulda specified
torn isle
i think having to pray to god you dont get eternal or perishable on a joker is just so much reliance on RNG
and not in the controllable challenging fun way of gold stake pre beta
there isnt like a sense of thrill its just dread
astral kayak
im a fan of perishable tbh but rental might be too much
night basin
Interesting, I feel like Gold got a bit more predictable now and therefore more fair. Eternal isn't too bad with tarot cards now being affordable.
astral kayak
its not the worst to deal with but perishable and eternal both fit niches that make you play around them differently, i dont think it adds much new compared to the first two
night basin
Still have to wonder how many of the problems with gold stakes is due to to nature of these kinds of deckbuilding/roguelike games instead of the nature of these changes
night basin
I would also like to add that the nerfs for the basic suit joker cards feel kind of unneeded since they weren't that good in the long run anyway. Maybe they can make the first few round on lower stakes a bit easy but the nerf doesn't seem that important
dire cape
i think having to pray to god you dont get eternal or perishable on a joker is j...
before nerfing, just getting out of ante 1 is rng, and how is that fair or satisfying?
-1 hand size is very impactful
-1 hand size also hits larger hands particularly hard and make the high card/pair builds the best and often the only way to win
and high card builds are never interesting
raven vapor
people complaining about rng in card games are a tale as old as time
dire cape
roguelike DBG and traditional card game are very different tho
jade grove
First ante 12 on 1.0.1c
Felt decently balanced
I like the free edition tags, don't know if others agree?
candid sorrel
I like the free edition tags, don't know if others agree?
Me too they are finally worth skipping a shop for
dusk hinge
I like the free edition tags, don't know if others agree?
The new tags feel like something balanced around gold stake runs because the free jokers may have a sticker
modern kiln
Hi there. I played the new experimental update for a bunch of games and would li...
Vampire is in a good spot right now imho. It really deserved all 3 nerfs and it's still one of the best jokers around
In practice the nerfs - specially the scaling nerf - are not nearly as impactful as they look like. The card is still really really great just by virtue of being a times mult with no requirement on the played hand (compared to something like Seeing Double or The Trio)
dusk hinge
It's still pretty good yeah. Getting x1 mult even if you play high card with 4 unscoring enchanced card was insane.
grizzled hazel
I assume progress on the experimental build does not carry over into the main game?
grizzled hazel
Ah, thanks!
manic canopy
i started a run in 1.0.0 and got stuntman
then i switched to 1.0.1 and the stuntman still gives 300 chips
uh
broken needle
Savefiles are janky like that
You can edit your save file to give stuntman +10,000 chips if you want lol
manic canopy
oh lmao
broken needle
It saves joker attributes like that
solemn monolith
Not a fan of perishable: Ride the Bus, Runner, Green Joker, Square Joker, Spare Trousers, Castle and your Wee Jokers were where a lot of fun in building the run came for me. Not only do they have to be early enough in the run, they now have to be sans dreaded sticker. A perishable Hologram, Obelisk or Lucky Cat is situationally still worth picking up, but those tiny incremental former jokers are dead in the water so much of the time now. You can do better as a mechanic -- not least because it undermines the novelty of the food jokers already in the game -- rental, eternal and the (small subset of) food jokers are excellent, fun mechanics. Do another! :D
manic canopy
ok then propose a new mechanic instead of perishables
hardy rock
That's kind of the whole point @solemn monolith
manic canopy
if you say "just bring back pre-patch orange stake" then your argument is invalid
hardy rock
Those jokers are massively op, and perishable nerfs them disporportionately.
manic canopy
adding perishables i guess technically nerfs high card
since now you're not guaranteed to find a non-perishable hc joker
raven vapor
"so much of the time"
perishable is 30% sir
rare elm
Not a fan of perishable: Ride the Bus, Runner, Green Joker, Square Joker, Spare ...
You could use the same point for Eternal economy/early game jokers
spare shuttle
we could make the same argument about previous orange/gold stake
raven vapor
49% of the time you can still do lobotomy high card
manic canopy
yeah
spare shuttle
where -1 hand size and expensive packs make the big hands practically unplayable
solemn monolith
The point is they were fun, and needed building around. You know, playing the game.
manic canopy
-1 hand size essentially nudged you into going high card/pair
raven vapor
and they were by far the most common way to win gold stake and therefore mindnumbingly boring
solemn monolith
Hardly, they nearly always get dropped during a high stakes run
rare elm
The point is they were fun, and needed building around. You know, playing the ga...
how does that not apply to the perishables?
you can't build around them?
barren magnet
Not a fan of perishable: Ride the Bus, Runner, Green Joker, Square Joker, Spare ...
If you want to always play with the same jokers play seeded
rare elm
or you can build around perishables by using consumables (planets, tarots) to your advantage, instead of only relying on your jokers (so the opposite of what old orange stake promoted)
solemn monolith
oh ffs
manic canopy
me when i had to pay $10 for a fucking tarot pack that didnt even have good cards
me when i had to spent $10 to get 10 chips and 1 mult on my high card
solemn monolith
guess why I asked for a new mechanic, and not the old one
manic canopy
i want you to think of a "new mechanic"
raven vapor
lmao when i get green/square/nova/bus on gold stake i declare a free win
because 80% of the time it is one
and it stlil is
perishable only influences it 30% of the time and we already have endless complaints for some reason
modern kiln
or you can build around perishables by using consumables (planets, tarots) to yo...
That is not building around perishable, that's building around not having permanent jokers
rare elm
What's the difference?
I mean building around concept of perishable jokers
not around one specific joker that is perishable in your possession
modern kiln
You're not making a build, you're playing jokerless with occasional jokers. It's the same problem as the previous meta where you're minimizing RNG by not doing something fun
manic canopy
what
modern kiln
Before you only played High Card to minimize card draw RNG now you don't build for joker-reliant strategies due to the low chance of finding jokers that synergize & are forever
manic canopy
"occasional jokers" is not jokerless then
raven vapor
how are you going to minimize rng in this meta
if your option is to take perishable or die do you reduce rng by choosing to die lmao
modern kiln
Perishable and Rental are nice (I like Perishable a lot more than Rental) but I feel like having both in at the same time makes Jokers too weak and unreliable to properly build around
autumn quiver
eternal rental jokers are even more annoying
you cannot end the rental contract
modern kiln
how are you going to minimize rng in this meta
if your option is to take perisha...
The update is still very RNG heavy like old gold stake but instead of dying on Ante 1/2 you now die on Ante 4 because you couldn't convert
raven vapor
and that's worse than before because?
modern kiln
i literally just had 2 burglars eating my money and i didnt complain
Burglars are a money making joker tho
manic canopy
not always
raven vapor
of course it's rng, it's a roguelike
raven vapor
if it's any less random we'd have people doing infinite blue streaks
modern kiln
and that's worse than before because?
Because it means every failed attempt takes a much, MUCH longer time compared to before being much more frustrating. If I lose because of RNG and I lose 10 seconds, sure fine, but losing 10 minutes in due to RNG sucks
raven vapor
if you just want a win, just hold r
manic canopy
skill tissue
modern kiln
if it's any less random we'd have people doing infinite blue streaks
If they're good enough at it then that's not a problem
raven vapor
holo/polychrome tags are so much better now
and you get a guaranteed pack in shop 1
so just roll until nonperishable nonrental green joker and it's still a 80% win
modern kiln
so just roll until nonperishable nonrental green joker and it's still a 80% win
Yes, which is a problem
rare elm
Perishable and Rental are nice (I like Perishable a lot more than Rental) but I ...
I think they both have fun applications, like you can sell rental mid round and not lose 3$), and perishable guarantees carrying banana into the final boss for sticker, for example
as for having both rental and eternal/perishable, I'm not 100% sure yet
modern kiln
I think they both have fun applications, like you can sell rental mid round and ...
I agree, but I feel like having two mechanics that disencourage you from holding onto jokers long term really breaks a lot of what makes building a run fun
raven vapor
Yes, which is a problem
green joker is non rental non perishable 49% of the time
you're telling me you don't see twice as many jokers in new patch? guarateed pack alone is guarateend 2 rolls
modern kiln
If it was one or the other I'd agree, but both at the same time feels very oppresive
manic canopy
i literally saw a bunch of perishables the 2 runs i played
and they didnt even stop the runs
modern kiln
green joker is non rental non perishable 49% of the time
you're telling me you d...
I don't want to win I want to have fun, and "half the jokers you see are unusable" is extremely unfun.
raven vapor
rentals are unusable is an extremely wrong statement
learn to work around them, you'll enjoy this patch a lot more
manic canopy
if you want to have fun play white stake
rare elm
false
modern kiln
I'm not saying they're all unusable, I'm saying you sometimes find something like a perishable Square Joker or Castle ante 1/2 for example
rare elm
I don't think stakes need to be unfun
raven vapor
30% of the time
modern kiln
Finding a perishable Abstract or Swash is fine but quite a few jokers don't work together with perishable
modern kiln
if you want to have fun play white stake
This is a horrible mindset to go into game dev
manic canopy
how so
modern kiln
Why are you even giving feedback on something meant to be fun if you don't think it's meant to be fun
manic canopy
what i've understood from your complaints is that high stakes are too hard
so i proposed you play white stake to enjoy the game
raven vapor
you can open packs now, that alone makes me accept perishable as a mechanic xd
manic canopy
^^^^^^^^
raven vapor
and again, 30%
rare elm
what i've understood from your complaints is that high stakes are too hard
that's not what they said
modern kiln
what i've understood from your complaints is that high stakes are too hard
I've literally won more high stakes than you bruh. Like c'mon.
manic canopy
i know they didnt
torn isle
what i've understood from your complaints is that high stakes are too hard
There's a difference between hard and uncontrollable which is really the issue I have with perishable
raven vapor
if it keeps happening it's just cognitive bias at play
modern kiln
you can open packs now, that alone makes me accept perishable as a mechanic xd
It's better but not perfect yet
torn isle
Perishable removes the control you had with deck choice and skip/joker choices that really mattered and let you express skill in orange/gold stake
manic canopy
i didnt know i cant have an opinion because i literally played the game for less time than someone else
okay then
raven vapor
you're complaining about that one time you could've solved chip forever in your run but oh no you have to work a little harder for that
modern kiln
I believe Thunk can make an even better mechanic but he needs appropriate feedback on them not "skill issue" or "go to white stake if you wanna have fun"
manic canopy
okay then make the new mechanic
torn isle
Perishable basically just makes the shop rng even worse with eternal also bricking the shop with no counterplay or player expression opportunity
raven vapor
like yeah i get annoyed when i see perishable blackboard
it just means you need to prepare to pivot later
manic canopy
propose a new mechanic
torn isle
It's boring