1.0.1c Experimental

[abstract pivot]

were straights always 30x4?

[shell wharf]

Also thunk have you considered hardcoded blacklists on some stuff like eternal egg not appearing

[cunning mantle]

the change to 60 fps appears to help

[spiral comet]

yes

[cunning mantle]

playing hands, opening an arcana pack

[frail belfry]

very interesting

[hardy rock]

third attempt at gold stake

I honestly think orange is harder than gold, but mybe i just got weird rng

[frail belfry]

If you have an LCD deck it caps at 60hz

[little lion]

hi. 300+ hours on the steamdeck here. The new update made performance worse

[tawny light]

Excited to try out the beta! Especially gonna give gold stake a shot now that it's more interesting

[frail belfry]

LCD or Oled?

[little lion]

I have a LE OLED

and it lags more when I select cards

[frail belfry]

Could you also try capping at 60hz and see if that helps?

Just trying to figure out the issue

[cunning mantle]

yes

[little lion]

yes absolutely I am here to assist. I just noticed it was off because I exclusively use deck

[eager yoke]

something would have to be WRONG wrong for performance to be bad on a game like balatro

[cunning mantle]

the option to set fps and hz are the same

[little lion]

nah I get stutters now on deck when selecting cards (I’m gonna test the 60hz)

[dull sphinx]

yeah my game stutters now on my laptop

[crystal mango]

Is it fine that the rental sticker is behind the hologram head? I guess it makes sense it wouldn't be in front of the head but it makes it a little hard to see

[spiral comet]

yea hologram is floating

so it’s normal

[eager yoke]

im not denying that peoples performance got worse, just seems like a red flag to me

[frail belfry]

That's why I'm trying to fix!

[gloomy otter]

damn thats interesting

[eager yoke]

ur the best thunk

[south pendant]

eternal egg was fine for me with swashbuckler

[frail belfry]

Steam deck OLED people - when you're playing can you add the FPS counter on your overlay? Does the FPS change?

[spiral comet]

especially with swash getting buffed

[cunning mantle]

yeah hold on

[glacial dawn]

there already is, food jokers cannot be eternal (e.g. gros michel, popcorn)

[cunning mantle]

definitely some stutters when selecting a card or when cards are added to the hand from the deck after a play currently

[frail belfry]

In FPS?

Like it drops the number?

There are a couple possible things that could be happening - the FPS might not drop, why I ask

even though it appears like it

[shell wharf]

Oh mb, sorry I did not realize

[little lion]

I got a frame drop

[frail belfry]

from what to what?

[little lion]

when set to 60hz

Solid 60 to a blip of 40 and back to sixty, when doing a card selecting action that seems to effect the scoreboard display

like making it go from high card to pair etc

[frail belfry]

okay thank you - and just to verify do you have TDP set at all

[little lion]

it’s not always happening BUT it’s happening 100% of the time on my first hand selected of a round

[gloomy otter]

Does getting gold sticker on jokers in the beta carry over to my normal game?

[cunning mantle]

yeah the transition after the arcana pack back to the store, went to 48 fps

[frail belfry]

Do you have TDP set?

[little lion]

I do not no, should I?

[frail belfry]

No, just checking

I mean you could if you want

but trying to gather info

[little lion]

I will be balatro lab rat ^^ I will set it to 10 (from 15) and see if it helps

[frail belfry]

It was running stable 60 for me at like 4 watt tdp

So I don't know why this is happening with some decks - I'll retest on my own deck

[little lion]

gotcha

[shell wharf]

Also idk if I just noticed recently or it is part of the update but the edges on cards seem a lot more blurry then they used, I can check again when I’m home but I remember noticing that last night.

Just the edges though, and only on cards in your hand/played

[cunning mantle]

no tdp limit was set

[little lion]

hopefully ya smart people can narrow it down more, I’m getting performance dips when I do certain actions. But not randomly by just watching the game or when scoring happens

[little lion]

yeah I was on unlimited for this previously, I didn’t know enough to set one

[frail belfry]

Can you try something else for me

[cunning mantle]

sure

[frail belfry]

you say it's the first selection of the round right?

Can you try waiting like 10 seconds when the round starts before doing anything - see if there is a frame dip when you do nothing

[little lion]

👍

[frail belfry]

and see if it still dips after selecting the cards

[shell wharf]

Also thunk, random but while you are here. How long have you worked on developing balatro?

[gloomy otter]

I think 2 years from what he said in his AMA

[shell wharf]

Wow that was not much time at all given the end result

[cunning mantle]

not necessarily the first selection of cards no, like transitioning from the shop to blind selection has a dip in performance for example

[devout lava]

Sorry if this has been answered above, but does Yorick states between [] the number of cards discarded, or of remaining cards to be discarded?
i.e.: I get it and discard 5 cards, does he say 23 [5], or 23 [18] ?

[shell wharf]

5 I believe

[little lion]

okay—waiting the ten seconds STOPPED the lag. but I’m noticing consistent frame dips in transitions that didn’t happen before. both visually and I have the frame counter up

[cunning mantle]

then from blind selection to the round when the cards are laid out

[devout jackal]

my balatro refuses to shut down when I close its window :/

[rare elm]

heh, isn't it (18 remaining) ? I didn't play the new patch yet so not 100% sure

[frail belfry]

Like if you just leave it on a screen without doing anything at all - does it stutter/dip?

[little lion]

also I loaded up a game I exited and lost my ‘small blind’ UI

guys

This is a consistent bug

[devout lava]

Me neither, asking for translation purposes. 😅

[devout jackal]

I can still see balatro.exe in task manager, and I cannot terminate it, saying "permission denied"

don't know what's happening and I'll try to restart my PC

[little lion]

pls excuse the phone photo lol

it’s just gone after loading, 100% of the time

[devout jackal]

btw I was playing the jokerless challenge, it gives me a joker pack in the first shop, is it a bug?

[little lion]

No it doesn’t

[cunning mantle]

yeah it doesnt

[frail belfry]

Okay this is a good sign

[cunning mantle]

messing around though i do consistently get a small drop when i select a card in hand

like 1/8

chance that it happens

[frail belfry]

And 1.0.0 this doesn’t happen right

[cunning mantle]

let me switch back

[little lion]

no, I’ve never gotten a frame drop on the deck prior to this update on the full version

[devout lava]

So that would be remaining discarded cards, thank you very much!

[rare elm]

it is indeed a bug/oversight

[ruby idol]

i love these new free Joker tags

[rare elm]

I'm guessing the buffoon pack rate is changed to 0 for jokerless, but the first pack is forced no matter the rates

[modern kiln]

Anaglyph deck my beloved 💖💖

[cunning mantle]

so after after loading the run i was on, there was a small dip in frames two or three times after loading the round and selecting a card in hand a few times, but so far it doesnt occur

consistently with selecting a card like before

[little lion]

YO I need a peep to help me check here—I’m 3/3 for not getting a small blind UI to appear when re-loading a game that’s in the middle of a small blind

[frail belfry]

That’s a known bug

[little lion]

oh

Heck, apologies

[cunning mantle]

on 1.0.0

[dull sphinx]

idk if this is a bug or a mechanic but i just got a $1 fibonacci

[frail belfry]

No worries. So better on 1.0.0 is what I’m hearing

[cunning mantle]

ill play some more

[fervent beacon]

oooooooo

a new good run for me to throw

wrong egg

[little lion]

yeah it’s just lag I’ll see if I can isolate it further

[frail belfry]

On 1.0.0?

[rare elm]

rental jokers cost 1$, you should take a look at patchnotes in #🧪・experimental

[little lion]

no no on experimental

[dull sphinx]

sorry my bad. i missed that

[rare elm]

all good, it's a big update

[little lion]

I meant vaguely that “nothings crashing so I’m just gonna keep playing to see if I can isolate any of the lag incidents further” :^)

plus content woot

[cunning mantle]

on 1.0.0. yeah it seems to be more stable, i do get a consistant frame drop when highlighting the cards after opening an arcana pack on 1.0.0 it seems

[fervent beacon]

8 ball bad confirmed

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[plucky lantern]

just win the 2/3 chance ez

[glacial dawn]

i'm not on steam deck but i'm also getting frame drops?

specifically when selecting cards

[plucky lantern]

oh i just saw the money

[spare shuttle]

not banning antimatter and top-up tag from jokerless has to be intentional right

[rare elm]

perhaps

[fervent beacon]

interesting

[spare shuttle]

im 90% sure it is after the update lol

[rare elm]

I still want to do it, so I'm not complaining

[fervent beacon]

i mean no, but interesting

who needs chips anyway

[spare shuttle]

same

1 joker in jokerless is cool, but what about landing that 0.3% for negative joker for 2 jokers?

[rare elm]

just use ecto 4head

[spare shuttle]

thats also viable

[fervent beacon]

this is better right

yeah

i like that this run has had zero of the new card thingies

[spare shuttle]

wait what

like zero zero?

[fervent beacon]

no

just none ive taken

[spare shuttle]

ahh

[fervent beacon]

double stencil is cool though

[hardy rock]

very nice

[fervent beacon]

oops i rerolled card sharp without thinking

i hate adhd rerolling

[rare elm]

it's better if u play 2 hands yeah

9x and 27x vs 16x and 16x

[onyx flicker]

won my first try on gold stake after not winning any before

new update is great

although I think all stamps (eternal, rental, perishable) should stay top right unless there's several and then stack downwards

[fervent beacon]

ayo profit

idk why I took flowerpot

ayo nvm it popped

[mellow ice]

Flower pot is underrated (especially with the new buffs), not as good with pants tho for sure

[fervent beacon]

crimson heart ahdujlkfa

[spiral comet]

i like how the different positions imply that rental can stack with perishable/ eternal

[solid rivet]

Not sure if it has been mentioned here, but the free pack in the first shop is also showing up in the jokerless challenge

[spare shuttle]

yup, already known and reported

[tepid marsh]

Buffed tags are crazy 🤯

[spiral comet]

crazy shop

[night maple]

I'm not fond of the sinful jokers nerf. I understand flushes are too powerful, but now we have 4 common jokers that each incentivize a very specific build while falling off even harder (without scored card retriggers). They typically max out at +15 mult, no better than an abstract joker, so I feel they kinda pollute the pool. So my thinking is maybe they should be made chip-based instead (with a pretty strong bonus), or replace all 4 jokers with one, similar flush (but not only flush) pandering card like "+15 mult if all scored cards share a suit"

[hazy turtle]

The distinction from Abstract is that the mult applies while playing for the purposes of on-play multipliers, steel cards, etc. But I'm also not sure it was warranted just yet

[waxen mist]

Playing gold stake runs, it almost feels impossible to take rental jokers early game since you need money to find the jokers that will keep you alive and they feel way too common. What are the rental rates? Like 50%? That’s what it feels like anyway. too high imo

[spiral comet]

30%

check patchnotes

[waxen mist]

Yeah I know but my point still stands

[spiral comet]

it’s more of an illusion of it being too much

with all of the 30% chance for the statuses of these jokers

the chance to see a joker without these effects drastically decreases

[waxen mist]

I’m fine with the idea but after playing a lot of runs every time I try to take a rental I just instantly lose to economy

After ante 3 it’s not a big deal but getting going sucks

[spare shuttle]

it's still way way easier to get through early game now

with buffon pack on first shop, with normal hand size letting you play bigger hands more easily and lower scaling ante 2-3

[waxen mist]

I agree it is easier but just throwing my opinions out there

[spare shuttle]

it's not like the game was supposed to be easier now

just different and more fair instead of easier

[waxen mist]

Instead of losing to hand size now you lose since you don’t have money and the rng fest continues lol

[spiral comet]

not really rng

[waxen mist]

If you don’t see jokers that do something in ante 1 you lose, that’s rng

[spare shuttle]

i played quite a bit on the experimental

[spiral comet]

instead of being screwed over by consistency you are being screwed over by your build that you get

[spare shuttle]

and im gonna be real

[autumn quiver]

I gotta say -1 hand size is definitely way more struggling than rental

[spare shuttle]

its way easier to get through early game

[granite helm]

Gold stake is definitely easier now than before

[spiral comet]

my weak gold stake runs now die ante 5 instead of ante 1 round 1

[autumn quiver]

true

[spare shuttle]

and that's fair lol

[fervent beacon]

phew

[spare shuttle]

instead of losing 90% of runs ante 1-2

at least it was case for me

[autumn quiver]

like I said, -1 hand size gives a huge and consistent drawback

[fervent beacon]

flower pot might be good

[spare shuttle]

i still think its mehh but definitely way more viable by not being disabled by for 4 blinds

[autumn quiver]

also the reworked tags makes omlette challenge easier

[fervent beacon]

there is nothing in this screenshot from the new update lol

[autumn quiver]

I just did one earlier, while definitely not letting dagger consume eggs

[granite helm]

I like all the indirect buffs splash has gotten with this update lmao

[spare shuttle]

what even are the buffs beside pot

[granite helm]

Midas and vampire change

[spare shuttle]

ooh

right

[autumn quiver]

ah I see

[granite helm]

Lucky card change too, a little

[spare shuttle]

tbf vampire getting 3 nerfs is a little overkill

[fervent beacon]

buffon or spectral

[granite helm]

I had a real nice run with 2 hacks and a bunch of lucky low cards

And splash

[autumn quiver]

both

[spare shuttle]

i know it's very early, but i believe vampire should get 1 one of the nerfs removed

not really sure which one

[fervent beacon]

back to 0.2x but keep everything else

so it's now closer to drivers license

[autumn quiver]

yea, because it's now a rare, therefore way harder to find

[waxen mist]

Vampire is still good tho with the orange stale rework

[light agate]

I was like "what's this tag on the Baseball Card", but it's part of the design. Perhaps that could be slightly changed to make it more clear?

[spare shuttle]

i guess

orange stake change makes the vampire better but like
it's only 25% of the game

(orange stake being 7th out of 8 stakes)

[waxen mist]

It feels on the same level of constellation now

[autumn quiver]

I mean, stickers are pretty distinctive
we have purple eternal and blue perishable, while baseball has a white one

[somber lava]

riff-raff sticker best sticker

[fervent beacon]

im just waiting for the angry people "grrr my ego is entirely dependent on a game I play being hard it's too easy now"

[autumn quiver]

kekw

imagine grinding for c++

[fervent beacon]

couldnt be me

[spare shuttle]

well, C++ is not hard, it is very time consuming

[fervent beacon]

I'm actually having fun on gold stake what the fuck

[autumn quiver]

update dropped, legend jokers without gold sticker are guaranteed to spawn from Soul

[fervent beacon]

this isnt balatro

[spare shuttle]

same lol

[autumn quiver]

boom, easier c++, although still very hard

[green sable]

Legend jokers

[fervent beacon]

me see stencil me take stencil

[spare shuttle]

i literally left in the middle of the run i got yesterday because i found soul and waited for the update to get legendary that i wanted for gold sticker lmao

[fervent beacon]

does progress on beta carry over

[autumn quiver]

yea

techinically Steam cloud has it all

[blissful tendon]

imagine getting a joker with all three conditions now, it's basically useless

[autumn quiver]

you can't

it's either eternal or perishable

while rental is separate

[green sable]

Makes sense, what would a perishable eternal even do

[autumn quiver]

like, permanently removes a joker slot after 5 rounds?

[broken needle]

Yep

[spare shuttle]

painted gameplay

[fervent beacon]

god this run is so boring

[glacial dawn]

except abstract and swashbuckler

[broken needle]

I’m also wondering why debuffed instead of destroyed

[glacial dawn]

so you can still sell them?

[spare shuttle]

you could sell it just before destroying so it's like whatever

[autumn quiver]

speaking of which, swashbuckler's buff is pretty decent

no more buckleswasher from modded lol

then it's essentially 4 rounds instead of 5
which is not fun

also you can build up sell value with gift card

[broken needle]

R is capitalized here :(

[spare shuttle]

unplayable 😔

[serene drum]

Perishable jokers actually piss me off more than the expensive packs did

😆

Between this and eternal, it’s too common

And packs aren’t even safe 😭

[spare shuttle]

i prefer it this way

[livid lantern]

I have not been able to check it out at all

[serene drum]

Currently at least, there is a bit of an exploit. You can bounce between versions during a run and get the best of both worlds

But will you really be proud if you do that 😂

[autumn quiver]

kekw

[livid lantern]

A wins a win

[serene drum]

And if you have a perishing joker, and play a round on live versions

It will stay 5/5

[autumn quiver]

basically perishable and rental are non-existent in live

[spare shuttle]

gl with the determination to do that

[autumn quiver]

actually, I can do that on the same machine, even with ease

no need to redownload

because I have both Steam OSX and Steam Windows on my Mac

[glossy lark]

expensive packs were a boring slog, stickers feel like the game is mocking me at any given opportunity and i much prefer that dynamic

[rare elm]

splash does not affect pot anymore

pot desc just says contains cards

[spare shuttle]

ohh

they dont have to be played now?

thats sick

[rare elm]

nope

ye that's pretty nuts

[spare shuttle]

i guess i misread the patch/forgot about it

[sour kayak]

hanging chad buff seems really strong for me

[rare elm]

viable with high card now

[glacial dawn]

yeah new hanging chad is qute strong with photograph

[rare elm]

it is said in patchnotes that it works on debuffed cards, but in game description (indirectly) says it works for non scoring

[spare shuttle]

ohh, that's why

i guess thunk forgot to mention it in patch note

ok that makes flower pot actually quite good and usable

[sour kayak]

so the boss for Jokerless is always Cerulean Bell now?

[spare shuttle]

or violet vessel

[livid lantern]

Cant it be vioeltv

Good idea to buy boss reroll in that case then

[sour kayak]

ah right I forgot the big boss

[livid lantern]

Forgetting about violet is how it gets ya

[spare shuttle]

well, my jokerless win was with a hand that scored 2m lol

[glossy lark]

wow, glass red seals?

[spare shuttle]

ngl bell could be worse on jokerless

than vv

[spare shuttle]

yeah, glass red seal 5oak

[granite helm]

Has this been tested?

[sour kayak]

huh (this is Jokerless)

the guaranteed buffoon pack is also available in Jokerless

[autumn quiver]

it's not like you can grab one from it anyway, just don't

0 joker slot already solved the problem

[sour kayak]

it's probably a bug still

[autumn quiver]

overriding nature

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sour kayak]

I'm not gonna buy it but it could've been something else

[autumn quiver]

well, it's only in first shop, no big deal

also why is wheel of fortune not banned in jokerless

[spare shuttle]

so you can use it on joker that you get from antimatter+top-up tag

[spare shuttle]

yes it is a known and reported bug

[autumn quiver]

Ig antimatter works, but wait, is there another way to get a joker?

[rare elm]

top up tag

[devout lava]

Interested in the answer too, please do not hesitate to ping me if someone tests this.

[spare shuttle]

only antimatter + top-up tag

[rare elm]

oh wait, I am spreading misinfo

it says "poker hand"

that means only the played cards count

[spare shuttle]

baited

so pot still needs splash

lmao

[rare elm]

I didn't see the poker hand part 😭

[autumn quiver]

top-up tag is not banned, I see

[spare shuttle]

with the update i believe it is intentional

lol

[rare elm]

or missed

[spare shuttle]

unless localthunk is giga clueless about the tech

which i dont believe he is

[autumn quiver]

kekw

[rare elm]

a lot of bugs still exist

the bosses bugs were pretty painful

[spare shuttle]

yeah i was surprised by how small the bug fix list is

[rare elm]

I think having "blank" vouchers and consumables is not that gamebreaking

[autumn quiver]

I mean, a common joker won't be significant
first you'll need rng to get blank, then more rng to get antimatter, then even more rng to get top-up tag

[spare shuttle]

it's literally only 2 bug fixes

but i guess we can consider banning stupid things from challenges like leaf from jokerless a bug fix

lol

[rare elm]

balancing and overall player experience is the biggest priority I guess

[spare shuttle]

true, it's not like the bugs that exist are breaking the game/make it unplayable

most of them are pretty minor

[rare elm]

as long as you dont encounter a bug every run it's ok that it has lower priority

[fervent beacon]

aw man lost a burnt joker obelisk run to the flint

[rare elm]

flint sucks so much for hand scaling runs

[fervent beacon]

I was like $30 in debt because 3 jokers were rental

i was just about to pivot to high card

[dawn rune]

The golden joker triggers after the perishable effect, meaning you’ll only get it to trigger 4 times before it’s debuffed instead of getting 5 rounds out of it

[fervent beacon]

i was hoping bus and square would counteract it

[rare elm]

oh

[autumn quiver]

perishable can be reworked to trigger only after cashing out

[rare elm]

it could, but I dont think it should

[autumn quiver]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

yea, it contradicts with its desc

[autumn quiver]

"debuff after 5 rounds", not "debuff after 5th cash-out"

[spare shuttle]

find dagger in 4 rounds

[rare elm]

do nothing joker

you buy 1$, lose 3$ and gain 3$

[dawn rune]

I don’t think it does, most of the “end of round” cards trigger before the cash out screen, only the econ ones don’t

[rare elm]

did anyone test the BP mime thingy at end of round?

[autumn quiver]

you buy for 1$, lose 3$ and gain 3$ every round, up to 5 rounds, sell to get 1$ back
literally nothing

[rare elm]

like using BP on one joker, and switching it to mime after playing last hand for extra gold card cashout

[wary swift]

does beating a run in experimental keeps the gold sticker on joker when the 1.0.1 comes out ?

[rare elm]

yes

progress carries over

the only thing - there could be some issues, that's why it's experimental

so you're taking a slight risk by playing on less stable version of the game

[gleaming perch]

It amuses me that Gros Michel got nerfed by being buffed.

[autumn quiver]

Ig that works
Acorn not affecting a joker on drag is also a thing

[wary swift]

like all my favorites jokers being nerfed 😔

[dire cape]

The egg that witnessed all

btw blue seal is broken, but in an interesting way, I like this change a lot

got a lvl25 full house

[rare elm]

purple and red seals are broken as well

it only makes sense blue does something on the same level

[autumn quiver]

I should probably suggest rewording Ectoplasm to "Add Negative to a random Joker, -1 hand size (-1 more per Ectoplasm used)"

[fervent beacon]

BRUH

[serene drum]

This is why I hate perishing

It’s worse than eternal

[autumn quiver]

eternal forces you to use that joker for the rest of a run
while perishable forces you to makeshift

so yea, it's worse

[rare elm]

then at -2 it reads "-2 hand size per ectoplasm used" etc.

[serene drum]

Buy it, and go to normal client easiest run of your life

If you wanna do that 😂

[rare elm]

it'll break

I feel like

[serene drum]

Nah it shouldn’t, it just takes away the perish tag

I did it yday

To test it specifically

You can hop between versions to reap both benefits

But it’s like, you’re playing solitaire, it’s an advantage, sure, but you’re just cheating your pride

😂

[light agate]

Depends entirely on the Joker though, of course it sucks for a scaling joker early game, but for an early game joker it makes basically no difference, since you'll sell it anyway

That's where eternal sucks much more

[gleaming perch]

You can't sell a debuffed eternal joker, right?

[serene drum]

You cant get double tag

Eternal or perish never both

[floral cedar]

I dont think you can get both

[serene drum]

They can stack with the rent tho

[fervent beacon]

nanner roulette

[gleaming perch]

And rent still applies if perishable?

[serene drum]

Yep

[gleaming perch]

Or perished, rather?

[serene drum]

Oh idk

Gold stake isn’t the place to be testing things 😂 I just sold

[autumn quiver]

rental sticker is below the other regardless of them being present or not

[serene drum]

Yeah

[autumn quiver]

that's obvious to know it's either eternal or perishable, with or without rental

[sour kayak]

I like the new Blue Seal

[serene drum]

Rental egg

[gleaming perch]

I guess you can just sell debuffed rental joker anyway

[silk cobalt]

Do i play on experimental on my main profile

[gleaming perch]

It doesn't matter if they can't be eternal

[serene drum]

You should

[gleaming perch]

Can't you just back up your save in case something bad happens?

[silk cobalt]

I mean yeah but for 100% purposes

[autumn quiver]

for only 1$ but it's much better to have it do nothing while stealing 3$ from you every round

[silk cobalt]

I guess this is gonna be how the game is going forward so

[serene drum]

Wdym?

[blissful tendon]

lowkey this new yorick boutta be trash

[gleaming perch]

In case there's some weird bug that happens in the experimental patch

[serene drum]

It seems better ngl

[silk cobalt]

Yeah its better

[autumn quiver]

yorick's rework only makes it less bad tho

[serene drum]

Most of the time it will reach the x5 at the same time

[silk cobalt]

Because it can scale

[serene drum]

But it makes it better early and later

[fervent beacon]

rip

[gleaming perch]

It's basically the same as before except that it scales on the way to 5x and can go beyond it

[serene drum]

My mom would make Banana bread out of this now that it’s perished

[gleaming perch]

Assuming you discard the maximum amount per discard which is the right play a lot of the time anyway

[autumn quiver]

I saw Murphy try out the update
he got poly gros for free then it broke after just 1 round KEKW

[gleaming perch]

Banana being 1 in 6 now is a great change

Secret nerf

[serene drum]

Buff and nerf

😂

[solid rivet]

berf

[broken needle]

I realized how fun hanging chad is now

photograph synergy with this will be insane

[dire cape]

new hanging chad is crazy

[broken needle]

I probably should've bought photograph and went back to straights in this build

[silk cobalt]

Free holo joker stencil

I love this patch already

[dire cape]

I did a hanging chad+wee joker combo, got +500 chips at the end

[gleaming perch]

My first gold stake win was 2 poly joker stencils on ghost deck + some +mult joker I don't remember

So I got the "never more than 4 jokers" unlock on gold stake

[autumn quiver]

my first gold win has reworked madness and red lol

[gleaming perch]

Nice

I haven't got to see the new madness yet. I liked that it always took a joker but I guess it doesn't scale as fast now.

[dire cape]

cant remember what my first gold stake used, but I think its stuntman + hologram or smth

kinda boring win, I always try to go for better hands instead of high card bc thats more fun, but when stuntman shows up I just cant resist

[autumn quiver]

madness scaling is not too bad, luckily I got eternal Duo later on to help me win my first gold

[sour kayak]

new blue seal op

finally beaten Jokerless

[light agate]

Even with the joker debuffed, it looks like the foil effect still works, which it does not. Should be better indicated I think.

[autumn quiver]

"All abilities are disabled"

[light agate]

Yes, but being an edition is not an ability

[autumn quiver]

same with enhanced/seal/edition cards being debuffed

[rare elm]

it is an ability

on cards it hides everything if card is debuffed iirc

might be misremembering tho

[light agate]

Right, it should do the same here

[autumn quiver]

Foil is only there to serve as info, just like what it always does

[light agate]

I understand what you mean Huy, if you've played the game a lot it makes sense, but for the sake of clarity, I think the little "Foil" window should be hidden.

[rigid ice]

but you can copy it i think

so it shouldnt be hidden

[oak epoch]

So far perishable and rental are making the earlier stakes antes*, which I think is the hardest part of gold stakes.

I think perishable jokers need to be discounted like $1-2.

[spare shuttle]

earlier antes*

i think its opposite, removing -1 hand size and lowering scaling on ante 2-3 and adding buffon pack on first shop and buffing tags makes the game way more consistent in early game

[floral cedar]

lol

[rare elm]

you're going to lose with eternal seance 😭

[floral cedar]

true

but memes

[rare elm]

unless you find early blue seal or something

and a few immolates

[devout lava]

As someone who hates food Jokers, I must say I utterly hate perishable.

[autumn quiver]

perishable doesn't even work on popcorn lol

[acoustic crypt]

do achievements still count on experimental if unlocked?

[autumn quiver]

it does

[acoustic crypt]

k just wanted to double check here

[autumn quiver]

I won my first gold stake and got the achievement

[acoustic crypt]

perfect

also congrats!!!

[autumn quiver]

it was kinda scuffed

since gold stake is reworked, my first gold stake win happened to be with madness and red

[acoustic crypt]

hey doesnt matter if its by a inch or a mile a W is a W!

[autumn quiver]

how does it feel when your free poly banana broke after one round KEKW

[floral cedar]

I got eternal showman

[devout lava]

Wait, are you implying it can survive sometimes?

[autumn quiver]

16.67% chance to break, and he hit that exact 16.67% after just one round

[gritty knoll]

Can I play this new beta build without worries? Don’t wanna lose progress on new jokers afterward or whatnot

[autumn quiver]

it carries over dw

you can even jump back and forth while playing orange/gold stake to get the best of both worlds

[gritty knoll]

Thx. Gotta see if new orange and golden are easier or harder

[autumn quiver]

they are definitely easier

[rare elm]

why dice

what does it do there

breaking glass faster 😭

[floral cedar]

shrug

[autumn quiver]

perishable is less annoying than pack price scaling
rental is far less annoying than -1 hand size

[granite helm]

WoF stocks

[floral cedar]

maybe I get wof

[granite helm]

Maybe you get new bloodstone

[acoustic crypt]

increase FLEX chance to 100% proc 💪 💪 💪

taking jokers that just out here sittin on the bench.

[floral cedar]

I got bloodstone

[rare elm]

nice

[autumn quiver]

nice

[rare elm]

free W

[acoustic crypt]

[granite helm]

Nice

[gritty knoll]

That’s what I imagined. Also local thunk decreased some ante objectives right? This all is mal if the game a lot easier

[floral cedar]

Its rental though, so Ima skip

[rare elm]

except when you see the head

[autumn quiver]

yea

[rare elm]

meh it's late enough that you could take it

you earn more than 3$ per round

[floral cedar]

Yeah Im obviously joking

[rare elm]

😹

funny

[floral cedar]

XD

[abstract pivot]

patch notes has a typo: smily face instead of smiley face

[autumn quiver]

rental get easily countered by gold cards, gold seals, cash-generating jokers, etc.
while -1 hand size is a consistent drawback, which means you're always short on resources

[floral cedar]

204 k

noooooo I have to skip sock and buskin do to no room

[autumn quiver]

painted deck focuses more on enhanced/edition/sealed cards than jokers
black deck is the opposite

[floral cedar]

👀

[autumn quiver]

wait what

[forest bloom]

does seance still suck

[autumn quiver]

it works as long as it has 4 cards of the same suit and 4 cards of consecutive rank

that's nice to know

[forest bloom]

but it still sucks most of the time

[floral cedar]

You would not beleive the amount of bug reports we have of people finding this

[sour kayak]

It's as good as before

[gritty knoll]

Seance should only be uncommon

[floral cedar]

moddest 5 million

[gritty knoll]

And cheaper. So 4 cards is a big

[floral cedar]

it is

[gritty knoll]

Bug

[floral cedar]

KILL MEEEEE

I forgot to reroll boss and it was the head

[gritty knoll]

What y’all think of new lucky cat? Minor buff in it but 2 luckys from magician also kinda buffs it

[floral cedar]

I never get it early enoug

[spare shuttle]

lucky cat is now way more viable

i considered it one of the worst xmult jokers

but now its pretty decent

i guess

[devout lava]

I find pack price scaling easier than perishable jokers tbh, but rental for gold stake is indeed very good design and more intresting than -1 hand size.

[floral cedar]

this is why I quit gold stake runs

litteraly not paying attention for 2 seconds responding to gmail and I lost

[rare elm]

😭

[autumn quiver]

also me when I have bp + ancient but forgor to read ancient and skipped to suit-debuff boss debuffing ancient's selected suit

I have it in DnDG server lol

[floral cedar]

😭 I remember when I had a triple gay ancient joker run and lost that way

[shell mortar]

Just won my first gold stake on the new beta. Thoughts I have:

1. The rental joker is much more forgiving than -1 hand size. If you get good economy it becomes manageable and overcomes some of the bad rng that hand size caused.
2. Perishable feels a bit rough as it can just end a run if you can’t replace a joker. Maybe add a refresh mechanic where you can re-up the rounds and make it progressively more expensive to “fix” the joker.
3. Making 4 of a kind jokers into 2 pair jokers is a fantastic change. Allowing 2 pair builds to breathe.
4. Making tag jokers free is super nice as it prevents as much resetting after shop 1.

What I ran.

[autumn quiver]

noice, you got gold sticker on a legendary

[shell mortar]

Oh, I’ve already gold stickered all the jokers.

[autumn quiver]

c++ player 🛐

[gritty knoll]

The boi is just flexing here

[floral cedar]

Im ante 7 on gold stake full skip wtf

[gritty knoll]

Congrats

You deserve it

[broken needle]

i got -3 from bones after he died

[autumn egret]

gratz! i will soon join you at c++, just need to find shortcut :(

[floral cedar]

lol

[shell mortar]

Oh nice! We will get that achievement to .01% eventually.

[autumn egret]

surprisingly i don't mind rental proc'ing before end of combat screen, makes it feel like a more impactful effect. still funny that he left your slots and still costed you lol

[shell mortar]

I think that is the correct interaction here. If it was rental then the round “ends” you pay rent, then get saved.

[modern kiln]

Played a few gold stake blue deck runs.
I feel like the stickers kinda make having a build way too hard. Early on most buildarounds you find are either perishable or rental, and later on finding a joker that synergises with your first one without it being persihable is way too hard.

If it's early in the run, finding a permanent or rental joker you'd temporarely want is too punishing, or finding an expiring or rental joker you want for the mid or the end of the run is unpractical.

I feel like too many of the jokers I find on the shop are not considerations because of the stickers, severely limiting the meaningful options I have and making it so crazy or novel runs are harder to get off the ground

[floral cedar]

CURSE YOU CRIMSON HEARTTTTTTTTTTTT

[autumn egret]

hahahah how many skips was throwback up to?

[livid lantern]

Crimson claims another

[floral cedar]

was 5x

[autumn egret]

HOLY

[floral cedar]

iirc

[autumn egret]

incredible

[floral cedar]

the one hand I didnt play 5oak was when the crimson had debuffed juggler

which wouldve been my best hand

thats 2 teasingly good runs in a row that just get countered by a boss

[copper elk]

high card lobotomy

[floral cedar]

lol

[glacial dawn]

what fun

[wary swift]

scaling perishable jokers feels really sad

[floral cedar]

speaking of countered by bosses

[copper elk]

high card lobotomy: whole brain transplant edition

[shell mortar]

Congrats on the auto-win and may the endless be ever in your favor.

[floral cedar]

I love dieing to bosses countering my builds

[copper elk]

high card lobotomy: petty insult edition (constellation at 1.6x)

[elfin glade]

That's why High Card reigns supreme, cannot be countered

[floral cedar]

true

Its just I got free eternal dna

so high card wasnt to good of an option

[hushed grotto]

didn't skip the big blind 😔

[floral cedar]

I skipped every blind wdym

[hushed grotto]

oh

wait wtf

[gritty knoll]

Gotta love the combo

Y’all think I’m killing it or perishing it first?

[floral cedar]

there needs to be a challenge where you have 150 joker slots, every joker, but they are all eternally rented

cause memes

[autumn egret]

just like in my fridge, that's gonna expire before you drink it all

[floral cedar]

XD

[glacial dawn]

unrelated change, bull and bootstraps should take away chips/mult for negative balance

[floral cedar]

it use to as a bug

[glacial dawn]

ah

[floral cedar]

and local said

[gritty knoll]

1 in 7? You sure bout that?

[shell mortar]

With a hand size of 8 as seen here, the chances of having 5 face down is .004% congrats

[gritty knoll]

Thats so freakin rare

If my calculations are correct… STONKS

[floral cedar]

5 to the moons is just 2x money at end of round

[granite helm]

If your only end of round money is interest, 1 to the moon is already 2x money

1 per 5 -> 2 per 5

[floral cedar]

oh yeah

I forgor

[gleaming perch]

Lore accurate To the Moon

[fervent beacon]

Sure but it was also difficult to get those crazy and novel runs off the ground on the old gold stake

[modern kiln]

That's true, but the issue is still there and still worth pointing out

[silk cobalt]

certified good patch

[fervent beacon]

Yeah I think perishable is quite annoying

[gleaming perch]

Rental makes economy jokers worthwhile for longer on higher stakes

Kind of interesting

[autumn egret]

i can't believe this banana is going to go extinct too 😔

[spiral comet]

😔

[somber lava]

spoiled banan

[floral cedar]

maybe perishable can lose 1 sell value each round?

[rocky oar]

cool negative tags

[smoky flame]

Is anyone else experiencing an issue in windowed mode where you can't click off of the screen? I've never had this problem before the beta branch. The only way to do anything off the game screen is a full alt-tab. Makes it really annoying to change songs while listening to music and playing

[somber lava]

unwritten change

• Negative Jokers are always Perishable

[rocky oar]

wait a minute

if cards are debuffed do they still get stickers?

[gleaming perch]

I think so

[rocky oar]

i might as well keep em in that case no?

[somber lava]

if you can survive yes

[rocky oar]

im on ante 4

so all i gotta do is skip every blind :)

[autumn egret]

just did a blue seal full house run...blue seals feel really strong

[rocky oar]

doin it

COOL

[shell sparrow]

has the Buffoon Pack in Jokerless been reported yet?

[floral cedar]

yeah

[candid sorrel]

One question do I still get achievements and stuff in the experimental build

[fervent beacon]

This new gold stake has fully revealed to me how hasty and bad my decision making is lol

[rocky oar]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[floral cedar]

yooo

[rocky oar]

if only i could swap the two stickers theyd match so well

[floral cedar]

I didnt notice the nerf ffor sinful jonklers

[shell sparrow]

it was uncalled for tbh

[outer cypress]

cause flushes were insane lol

[grim hollow]

eh, sinful jokers nerf is fine

in-hand +mult is strong

[granite helm]

They accomplish the exact same thing they did before, it’s just that you can’t rely on them for as long now, which is fine for what they are

[dusk hinge]

Had a few gold stake runs, it's kinda whacky. I'll attribute that to variance but it felt like absolutely everything was perishable, I was always switching jokers and my wins were mostly the doing of planets.
I'm not sure yet how I feel about it, it's definitely interesting but the odds for each sticker may need qome tweaking

[fervent beacon]

Yeah but if perishable is less common then the mode will be a lot less challenging

[rocky oar]

man jokers get WEIRD

[dusk hinge]

Yeah, it already feels easier than the og gold stake.

[outer cypress]

og gold stake was unfun, which i think is the important thing to remember lol

[floral cedar]

👀

[outer cypress]

actually being able to play different hand types is fun

[dusk hinge]

I almost never played gold because of that yeah

[fervent beacon]

You could have done painted if you want that

[floral cedar]

family and the duo...

[dusk hinge]

The new stickers create some unique situations and decisions, it just feels a bit too much sometimes because most jokers have at least one sticker now

[fervent beacon]

Is it really easier in terms of how much you have to think things through, or easier in that more runs can win

[spiral comet]

easier in consistency

[dusk hinge]

That's a good question, but I def think it rewards creative thinking

[fervent beacon]

I don't think every change is going to make it to the live update

[hardy rock]

Does debuffed cards from spoiled effect count towards gold stickers?

I assume yes but just curious if anyone checked

[merry thistle]

Joker in first pack does more for consistency than anything

Buffoon i should say

[grim hollow]

they count

[dusk hinge]

One thing I like is that expired jokers can be sold, they're not just destroyed. Feels fair

[young plume]

Performance is still bad on Steam Deck. Heavy dips from 90 to 40 FPS from Ante 4 on.

[fervent beacon]

Rental cola

Profit

Wait rentals buff campfire

[livid lantern]

Rental buffs some jokers tbh

[shy lance]

not only can they still be sold, but they don't lose any value either. I was curious if they were going to lose value when I read the mechanic, but you can safely let them expire. Well maybe not something like the egg. I suppose I need to test that. I'm not sure if the egg would lose all of its increased value when it debuffs or not. But I checked before and after and my jokers still sold the same in my runs last night.

[shy lance]

it does, but that's fine. Eternal is a mechanic that is also sometimes a plus and sometimes a negative. It makes it interesting.

[rocky oar]

if theyre negative you can keep em for stickers or verdant leaf

[fervent beacon]

Rental is also sometimes positive

[livid lantern]

Also abstract

Cant forget abstract

[formal crystal]

Invisible joker duplicating wee joker didn't set the position of the sticker correctly

[rocky oar]

lol

[fervent beacon]

Has anyone tested anaglyph

Seems like new top tier

[rocky oar]

yes

[livid lantern]

Honestly for gold stake grinding yeah

[fervent beacon]

All perishable LOL

[dusk hinge]

lmao

[fervent beacon]

I want to do a swash gift card egg build at some point

Xmult and chips are only from foil and poly

I guess dagger works too but it's annoying

[autumn egret]

lmao i had the brilliant idea to try and fish for this

so i took an eternal egg on round 2 💀

you can guess what happened next..

[gleaming perch]

Rental Vagabond my beloved

[spare shuttle]

sad that the save files being deleted wasn't fixed

it seems like a big problem considered how many people were affected by it

[gleaming perch]

Where are save files stored anyway

[south pendant]

What save file issue? I definitely never had any issues switching between 1.0 and 1.1 multiple times

[rocky oar]

same

[spare shuttle]

it's not about switching from 1.0 to 1.0.1

[south pendant]

So steam cloud issue?

[spare shuttle]

it's something about steam cloud being screwed

when you play on other pc

[floral cedar]

black stake abandoned done, yay

[spare shuttle]

i hope localthunk will fix it

[autumn egret]

man i need a shortcut clear 😔 nice job

[spare shuttle]

or at least address the problem

[floral cedar]

trying to get gold stake abandoned for when math seed searches rental SUAS (This probably doesnt make sense to you, but oh well)

[rocky oar]

flower pots wording is a bit confusing do they need to all score?

[acoustic crypt]

how we feeling about that 30% rate in orange and gold stake for perishable and rental?

[round plume]

i think it was changed so they don’t all have to score

so that suit debuff bosses don’t just kill you

[autumn egret]

i feel okay with it - honestly it may even be too easy, but with my sample size of 10 runs i don't think i have enough say lmao

[acoustic crypt]

yea debuffed cards count in the joker triggering xmult now

[floral cedar]

blue stake sucks though

[spare shuttle]

i think it's fine

[rocky oar]

i mean like, will this count

[spare shuttle]

i saw people complaining about the rates of the stickers

but like

cmon, its orange/gold stake

[acoustic crypt]

see i feel like its too high. basically everything in gold and orange hits, and then adding eternals into the mix

[spare shuttle]

the game is hard

[spare shuttle]

eternal cannot be mixed with perishable

[acoustic crypt]

not with perishable but with rental

[spare shuttle]

i think the game is equally hard/maybe easier

[acoustic crypt]

and rental and perishable can be the same

[spare shuttle]

but it is definitely way more consistent and way more fair

[autumn egret]

yea it seems like a sample size diff, since i was able to win 8/10 gold stakes with yellow deck pretty handily

it's possible i just got lucky with stickers

[acoustic crypt]

feel like 20-25% would be a bit better but thats just personal opionion

[shy lance]

I need to experiment more. my first thoughts were it's a bit much, but at the same time, it keeps things interesting and makes it so I have to keep watching for various jokers for a while. Like ultimately it doesn't seem that bad to find jokers that allow you to continue on and it just takes even longer to find jokers you can and want to hold onto long term.

[rocky oar]

basically do they have to be included in the scoring hands

[granite helm]

I like the rate that is now, if it was lower it would be easier to ignore stickered jokers more often

As it stands you have to engage with the mechanic

[south pendant]

I think they do gote

[candid sorrel]

I am suffering by skipping for edition jokers just for them to be investment eternal

[autumn egret]

totally agree with that sentiment, i'm very much inclined to pick up rentals for a round or two

y'know...rent them

[south pendant]

The only changes to the pot was to include debuffed cards played as well

[spare shuttle]

With the removed hand size penalty, packs costing normal price, guaranteed buffon pack first shop, heavily buffed skip tags and lower scaling on antes, i think it balances out

[spare shuttle]

and this is a good point also

[rocky oar]

nope

[acoustic crypt]

yea you can still interact with it at like 20-25% i feel.

[south pendant]

They don't need to score?

[acoustic crypt]

Everything i encounter is either double tagged, or single tagged. which is fine but its even rarer to see non tagged jokers.

think my issue is that it feels higher than 30%

[candid sorrel]

What's the rate right now? I'm rarely seeing normal jokers

[spare shuttle]

that's the price of having extra hand size and normal pack costs

[acoustic crypt]

30%

[broken needle]

It’s like 30% applied 3 times

[rocky oar]

i didnt get the buff

[spare shuttle]

wait, what were the odds for the joker not having any stickers?

like 28%?

[broken needle]

Which means ~66% will have a sticker

[south pendant]

28%

[autumn egret]

lool that was a scary edit

[broken needle]

lol

[acoustic crypt]

yea thats wild tbh

[formal crystal]

Generated jokers are guaranteed to spawn with no stickers

[granite helm]

Sure you can, but if it’s lower you could just reroll more for stickerless jokers

[autumn egret]

stickers make me stop and think

[spare shuttle]

-1 hand size and expensive packs were wild too

[rocky oar]

i think eternal sticker is at 40% and perish is at 30%, so since theyre mutually exclusive wouldnt it be a 70% chance for sticker there

[south pendant]

Yeah from judgement or spectral or riffraff all stickerless

[autumn egret]

like sure, perishable blueprint feels bad to see, but i'm still gonna take it lol

[formal crystal]

I mean I'd have no idea what it'd feel like without testing it under those odds

[spare shuttle]

eternals are 30%

all stickers are 30%

[rocky oar]

ah

[acoustic crypt]

i dont think lowering it 5-10% would be completely game changing easy though

[granite helm]

That very well could be true, you’re right

[acoustic crypt]

sorry i meant wouldnt*

wait

[autumn egret]

only way to find out is to get MORE DATA 👿

[acoustic crypt]

idk what im saying im exhausted lol

[south pendant]

Maybe thunk will add a checkbox for Easy Mode for everyone wanting less sticker rates lol

[granite helm]

I get what you’re saying lol

[candid sorrel]

Maybe eternal and perishable could go a bit down in gold stake but keep investment as is? I do like the idea of keeping all stickers the same rate tho

[formal crystal]

Right now it feels easier than previous gold stake

[spare shuttle]

same for me

[acoustic crypt]

but lowering it 5-10% would still be challenging but not frustrating because it feels more frustrating atm but im early days

[spare shuttle]

i literally won two runs today by playing flushes which is crazy to think about

[spring juniper]

Maybe thunk will add some kind of consumable exclusive to black stake and up that removes all stickers from a Joker

[south pendant]

It's 0% on white stake

[spring juniper]

A new spectral card?

[autumn egret]

part of the "difficulty drop" is less about the difficulty and more about the QoL hand size change, i think

playing runs now feels so much more consistent from the get go

[spring juniper]

'Exorcism'?

[formal crystal]

Also the nerfed early scaling

[autumn egret]

mm that's true too

[spare shuttle]

finally i dont have to play ante 1-2 20 times to finally crawl out of it

[formal crystal]

Yeah, I can get past ante 2 like 90% of the time now

[autumn egret]

i love playing balatro

definitely was enjoying holding r less lool

[candid sorrel]

Yeah the update is a big upgrade you don't actually feel like you can't play the game anymore

[south pendant]

It's pronounced balatro

[spiral comet]

before: i die 99% runs before ante 2

[spare shuttle]

which is like, 100 times more fun than previously

[acoustic crypt]

wrong its pronounced Game of the Year

[spiral comet]

now: i die 50% runs at ante 5

[autumn egret]

TRUE

[south pendant]

Indeed

[formal crystal]

As a side effect, black deck doesn't feel miserable

Just ordinary bad

[autumn egret]

man i gotta try the other decks on the beta branch when i get home

that sounds lit

[candid sorrel]

Me too it was a restart madness and with the little time to play the only consistent thing was my frustration

[lament mortar]

Holy cow this new update is fire
Gold stake is actually fun now

[formal crystal]

Yeah, 70% of my losses were by ante 3, and 25% on ante 8

[acoustic crypt]

i think the most painful thing to me is the gros michel nerf

my poor cavendish will have to wait longer now

[spare shuttle]

its a sidechange

buff for early game, nerf for cavendish

which is justified by fact that cavendish was quite damn strong

[acoustic crypt]

meanwhile i got a poly gros michel shop 1 last night and lost it in one round

[lament mortar]

The banana has grown more resilient

[candid sorrel]

It always dies at round 1 dw

[acoustic crypt]

especially when its poly

[formal crystal]

Banana only dies when you don't want it to

[candid sorrel]

Especially

[acoustic crypt]

someone in my comments said they got it shop 1 and lasted till ante 5 until they needed mult for the next round and it died lol

[granite helm]

Cavendish was just too powerful 😔

[acoustic crypt]

needs to be MORE powerful

[candid sorrel]

Make it 1 in 950 for a nerf then

[granite helm]

Defo 🔥

[dusk hinge]

oh boy this is spicy

[acoustic crypt]

holy moly lol

bought to be cookin

[formal crystal]

Who needs money anyways

[candid sorrel]

Get in the negatives and sell tarots kinda run

[rocky oar]

ah

[lament mortar]

Money is on sale

[candid sorrel]

Good econ

[hardy rock]

3rd attempt gold sealed nebula

[obsidian sandal]

I am kinda feeling the very subtle nerf to Baseball as several previously powerhouse uncommons have been moved out of uncommon

[hardy rock]

the winrate for gold stake has shot up dramaticallyt

i think its in a good spot though, tbh.

[candid sorrel]

I'm still suffering hard but not AS hard

Improvement!

[hardy rock]

though im using this new bloodstone like all the time

[wide grove]

ok we are back

[floral cedar]

I played a 3$ hand with vagabond but a lucky card gave 20$
Still got the tarot though?

[wide grove]

gonna try gold stake again

red deckin'

[acoustic crypt]

vagabond procs on play not score right? so that makes sense

[candid sorrel]

Yeah happened to me too

[lament mortar]

Vagabond triggers before the hand plays doesn’t it?

[spare shuttle]

i guess vagabond checks the money value when you click the play button

[floral cedar]

Its weird cause it gives card afterward

and bull notices the chance beforehand

[candid sorrel]

Yeah that's cool you can build a vagabond hit lucky and he spawns hermit I got that and it was awesome

[floral cedar]

keyboard moment

[candid sorrel]

I could actually buy stuff

[acoustic crypt]

must be an on-play condition. Then it gives it after score. Gotta be some reason it doesnt do it on play

[hardy rock]

that feel when vagabond doesnt work after a 5 card hand against the money sink boss

[gritty knoll]

Uh?

[candid sorrel]

Challenges

[spare shuttle]

well, just like murphy said, i guess it is a on-play condition that pays off after the hand is scored

[candid sorrel]

Happened to me

[south pendant]

I've seen that before, no idea

[candid sorrel]

Challenge runs don't count but the counter goes up

[spare shuttle]

bull does not have an on-play condition

and that's why it adjusts itself to money changing, like lucky card

[gritty knoll]

I guess my first golden stake run is gonna be wee joker abuse

[floral cedar]

ngl, runs cookin, wish I got more deaths though. I think Ive gotten 1

lvl 25 two pair go brrrr

[eager yoke]

i wonder how the legendary joker seed change will affect speedruns

[spare shuttle]

gold stake speedruns?

[eager yoke]

oh right, i guess ppl dont rly speedrun gold stake lmao

[floral cedar]

uranus is so beutiful in every way shape and form

[frail belfry]

@cunning mantle @little lion Hey I have been messing around with the engine today to improve performance - just pushed a new update to test!

Please give it a go - or anyone here with a Steam deck/laptop

[spare shuttle]

a little off-topic from the performance isssue, but localthunk, are you going to fix the steam cloud issue removing people's save files?

[rocky oar]

can negative jokers appear in boosters

[floral cedar]

vagabond keeps ruining my uranus scaling

[rocky oar]

hello mr. thunk :)

i haave been enjoying the new update

[spiral comet]

yes

[frail belfry]

Creating a thread for performance issues, please let me know how it runs! Make sure to verify file integrity for the newest version - https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1226992688398860543

[edgy creek]

Update 5 minutes ago lol

[lofty lichen]

Hey folks - does progress carry over between the stable and experimental builds?

Edit - I did a search and see that others asked the same question and that my save will work on both. Thanks!

[acoustic crypt]

idk if its just an M2 thing or what but i feel like it was lightning fast on my macbook. Like it seemed way smoother than on my PC or steamdeck which was cool

[frail belfry]

What about now? I just pushed a performance update like 5 mins ago

I didn't realize you had a steam deck!

[acoustic crypt]

I put like 30 hrs on the steam deck alone for the demo lol

Ive been playing it on switch, deck and macbook outside my pc. I'll check out the m2 performance once im off work later tonight and provide some updates

[floral cedar]

get observatory and win

[frail belfry]

If you want to test anything I would test Steam Deck ahead of the others!

[floral cedar]

thats my goal

[frail belfry]

There aren't really many changes that would impact Mac

[edgy creek]

Yup that's what I'm doing too

[lofty lichen]

I plan on checking it out on Deck tonight

[frail belfry]

I appreciate it!

Make sure to leave feedback in https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1226992688398860543

[rocky oar]

do i take sharp here? im just before the final boss, i have 9 queens

[edgy creek]

Got it

[acoustic crypt]

sounds good! ill play with it tonight after stream and give some feedback!

[lofty lichen]

Will do!

[floral cedar]

no observatory, also the 1 time I would have wanted omen globe to be +1 consumable slots XD

[edgy creek]

By the way, have you ever made a public videogame before?

[wide grove]

shit dude i'm doing a straight build on gold stake

[teal spade]

On my linux laptop it refuses to run without this launch argument "env --unset SDL_VIDEODRIVER %command%"

Saw on ProtonDB that others had the issue, was able to find the command on there

Was an issue both with 1.0.0n and 1.0.1c

[frail belfry]

Linux isn't supported - how are you using it? Just via proton?

[teal spade]

Likely something to do with my integrated graphics card

[teal spade]

Yep, using Proton. Steam Deck works fine with zero issue

[light geyser]

i was curious, is there gonna be a "retry challenge" button for the challenges?

it got a little tiresome having to menu so much after each fail

[frail belfry]

I have been Supporting deck but not Linux, might in the future but not for now

[wide grove]

ok, looks like this is very viable now:

straights with card sharp / shortcut
saturn for scaling
thin the deck for ez straight pulls

[teal spade]

Yeah my most recent win was using straights, they feel so much better

[wide grove]

lost anyway BUT it felt viable lol

later antes in gold stakes are tricky now bc the earlier antes don't scale as fast

i underrate the speed

[burnt lichen]

can't wait for yorick + merry andy combo

[wide grove]

ok THIS was annoying

[grizzled agate]

is there any save file risk for playing on experimental ? and if so where is the file so i can back it up ?

[wide grove]

@ localthunk started new run, selected free Rare Joker in shop. got rental DNA which costs $1

is that intended behavior? is this already known / did this get patched overnight?

free is supposed to mean free lol. i get if it's perishable or eternal but free does not mean $1 plus $3 upkeep

[spare shuttle]

i guess it shouldn't have the 1$ price but it is definitely justified to keep the 3$ every round

[rocky oar]

first new gold stake beaten

now i get to gold my jonklers

[wide grove]

sure. but even why $1

[spare shuttle]

i guess its an oversight

the game puts 0$ price from the tag

and then rental applies the price

[wide grove]

welp i am reporting the oversight then

[hushed grotto]

not sure about your first question but save file location is listed here https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1213182507483136080

[wide grove]

man so many new strats now

i'm rocking DNA w Cert of Auth to dupe blue seal cards to pump Plutos on a stuntman run

blue seal buff is big for viability

[fervent beacon]

ayo imagine

this would go crazy

it's yorick :(

[copper elk]

well, stick to your guns then

keep discarding

[fervent beacon]

perkeo with gift card woulda been crazy tho

[copper elk]

not discarding enough with yorick is what killed so many of my old gold stake red deck runs :(

[floral cedar]

atleast you get new yorick

your probably the first

though idk maybe not I havent been paying attention

[copper elk]

well, I would, if I hadn't already golded it earlier

[floral cedar]

lol

I mean its better than almost all your jokers atm

[rocky oar]

did red card always have this much detail holy cow

[burnt lichen]

yeah i think

[wide grove]

god dammit

my gold runs always end the same way

[rocky oar]

i literally thought it was just red and said joker

[wide grove]

perishables run out, need to replace mult, can't pull both mult + xMult even rerolling w max econ (like $70 isn't enough)

[rocky oar]

first new gold stake run jokers edited

[modern kiln]

How do you get the golden background to the jokers?

[broken needle]

wait until they add joker stake

[rocky oar]

edited the textures in the game

[modern kiln]

ah, fair lmao

[solar oriole]

Mail-In Rebate is a little unbalanced at $5 I think. Especially compared to the ToDo List nerf.

Casually getting $15 from Mail-In Rebate pretty regularly is strong. And yet, players being able to get $15 out of ToDo List prompted a nerf.

Mail-In Rebate just passively spits out money because players press the discard button, but if players try to form different kinds of hands for ToDo List it's not quite as strong. To me, it seems that making different hands, a big part of the challenge and fun in the game, should be rewarded more than simply pressing the discard button.

[floral cedar]

tbf, joker stake would add so much more content

like imagine something as simple as all digits in jokers increase by 1 or decrease by 1 randomly

idek, but I just think something that isnt a downside, but also isnt an upside could be funny

[hushed grotto]

the to do list change was not a nerf

[little lion]

Will do thank you!

[floral cedar]

it wasnt meant to be a nerf?

[solar oriole]

I'm also unhappy with the ToDo List nerf because it is one of the few mechanics in the game that encourage playing more than one kind of hand, but there are several game mechanics that encourage playing one on kind of hand the entire game.

Pair, pair, pair, pair, pair, pair, ... what should I make this hand? ... I'll go for pair

[mighty plinth]

Feels like Mad Joker should apply to 4oak 😛

I get why it's not but it would make it a more versatile card.

The "contains" verb is what throws me.

[rocky oar]

it still changes each round though so you cant build around it

[rocky oar]

two pair is defined as two pairs with different ranks

[mighty plinth]

I get that. It still "feels wrong" because of the usage of "contains." There are other similar jokers that apply even when a particular hand scores as a higher poker hand

[hardy rock]

man these changes are kinda goated

[little lion]

initial impressions with the new update on Steamdeck are great!!