1.0.1c Experimental

[wide grove]

but you need it for ante 8

[forest bloom]

why are all the joker tags free. this seems like an overcorrection

[wide grove]

if it rolls u perishable obelisk in ante 6 or earlier you need to skip rounds to survive ante 8

and those skipped rounds r needed for scaling

[snow wagon]

Cuz skipping was not very good

[forest bloom]

i play exclusively white stake so i probably have bad takes but like

[quartz breach]

already love this update, free polychromes and uncommons are op

[fervent beacon]

it hasn't even been a day give it some time

[forest bloom]

i skipped for some of the joker tags already

[forest bloom]

hey they dont call it experimental for nothing

[fervent beacon]

skipping just feels wrong

i dont think I can bring myself to do it consistently even with these changes lol

i should say skipping for a rare/uncommon feels wrong

[hazy turtle]

if anything, it's more often a good choice for jump starting a run

[livid lantern]

I’ve skipped every now and then on higher stakes so

[grim hollow]

honestly I agree with almost all of these changes made, very nice

great job localthunk

[fervent beacon]

might have been a little harsh on vampire tho

can keep the rarity and unscored card thing just keep it 0.2x

[grim hollow]

vamp is now dead without midas which is sad

[somber lava]

vamp can keep the 0.2x now that it's rare i think

[honest wraith]

or vagabond, which is also rare now

[somber lava]

or 0.15x

[hazy turtle]

definitely gonna miss vagabond plays

[honest wraith]

0.15x is an ugly amount though

[dire cape]

ante 1 skip for joker becomes infinitely better now

[fervent beacon]

I never liked using vagabond so idc

[snow wagon]

YOURE an ugly amount

[honest wraith]

sorry :(

[grim hollow]

campfire is a little less busted, but still strong enough that it's fine

[forest bloom]

is it even possible to trigger the fallback tarot

[somber lava]

for the tags i think they should be flat price reduction instead of being free outright

[forest bloom]

like

[grim hollow]

magician change is very nice- maybe Lovers could also see the same change?
I still don't think Hex is strong enough to warrant destroying all jokers, but destroying 1 would be fine

[forest bloom]

oh wait perkeo

[wide grove]

trying my first rental now

[forest bloom]

dammit perkeo why do you break everything

[snow wagon]

Straight off the Perceo

[foggy mantle]

is there a fallback planet?

[grim hollow]

yes

fallback joker as well

[snow wagon]

The sun

[formal crystal]

Oops

[plucky lantern]

:(

much prefer this to the pervious orange stake effect

[foggy mantle]

what is it

[formal crystal]

I believe pluto

[foggy mantle]

makes sense

[forest bloom]

even when youre being screwed over it's preferred. what a commitment

[wide grove]

aight done for the night

i shall return

gn all and good work localthunk!

[autumn egret]

good night satori!

[marsh fulcrum]

Balapals? Balatbro was right there man

[formal crystal]

I don't think changing the fallback tarot actually does anything

[forest bloom]

oh the joker skips get so much worse on higher stakes. hm

[formal crystal]

It doesn't even remove the infinite

[snow wagon]

😦

i got trolled

Never mind I got anaglyph into 2 separate straight buff tags lmao

[faint hinge]

They murdered vampire

And madness for some reason

They changed magician to 2 cards

Would be nice to have the same with lovers

Also maybe buff the suit changing tarots?

[plucky lantern]

no comment on vampire but madness was a hard carry, i've beaten runs with only madness and no other jokers. gets even better at black stake because it doesnt destroy eternal jokers. pretty deserved imo

[south pendant]

might as well add a "win the game" button

[shell sparrow]

no need to buff flushes

[raven vapor]

eh, for gold stake it went from 95% unplayable to 99% unplayable

so basically no change there

[shell sparrow]

they have like 100 jokers already

[lapis heath]

oh hell yeah

[faint hinge]

Maybe would be better-if it added the mult if it destroys a joker

[plucky lantern]

that already exists tho

then it would just be knife

[faint hinge]

also knife still sucks as a joker

Lol

Wait wtf hanging chad is busted now

[frail bison]

context?

[somber lava]

hanging chad photograph

perhaps

[faint hinge]

Hanging chad + tarot enchantment

It is busted

[plucky lantern]

not really busted

[faint hinge]

Too good for common

[raven vapor]

talking about madness
you need eternal scoring joker either way

is the same card but now it scales less lmao

[lapis heath]

speaking of hanging chad, replaced baseball card with it in my build just now
Getting 6 billion chip hands e11

[frail bison]

real

[faint anchor]

The [edition] is free will make my future Gold Stake Sticker Grinds so much better- also managed to get him and had some fun

[faint hinge]

Red seal glass card will be wild

[quasi thistle]

performance has improved considerably. occasional lag spikes but the overall speed of the game is great, my game used to have trouble running at 4x speed while streaming but it mostly works now

[faint hinge]

Stuntman went from S- to B+

Good change tho

[raven vapor]

more like SSS to SS+

[shell sparrow]

^

[shy lance]

ha ha this is the dumbest run of Balatro I've had in a long time (and I didn't record >.<). The new patch makes the higher stakes so much better.

https://i.imgur.com/3Faz0Jh.png
https://i.imgur.com/7H7OFfz.png
https://i.imgur.com/tuNQLaj.png

Stuntman is still perfectly fine even with the nerf 😛

also... who needs xmult jokers lol (yes I cheesed mr. bones into the final boss lol). I just could not get anything to go together on this run at all but alas, victory lol.

I didn't enjoy gold stakes at all before, but the new version is fairly enjoyable to play so far.

[shell sparrow]

it's not broken, it's still top tier

[faint hinge]

Chad?

[shy lance]

yeah still very much can cary a run as I just had lol

[shell sparrow]

Stuntman

[shy lance]

as you can win gold stakes without xmult with it lol. (and I was playing erratic not plasma)

[faint hinge]

Also the sinful joker nerfs

Are uhhhhhh

[shell sparrow]

somehow it wasn't made Rare but Vampire was murdered AND moved to rare

[faint hinge]

Interesting

[faint hinge]

Yep

Hard to find use when vagabond also got nerfed

[plucky lantern]

i like the suit nerfs

vaga got buffed tho, just moved to rare

[shell sparrow]

vagabond got a buff lmao

[faint hinge]

1 dollaris

Not a big change

[hushed grotto]

Stuntman's effect isn't interesting enough to be a rare imo

but it is interesting enough to be an uncommon

[shell sparrow]

x1.33 Dollars

[hushed grotto]

and definitely good enough to be one lmao

[plucky lantern]

bigger than it looks

[shell sparrow]

it allows 2 Golds to give 2 Interest

[fading jacinth]

Vaga was $4 at first I think

[faint hinge]

Hmm wonder if they would buff these F tier jokers

I have a tier list for goldstake on jokers before the update

[crude cobalt]

yea vampire too nerfed imo

[south pendant]

sounds like you just want all the games handed to you

just play modded if you want everything buffed

we want a balance

[faint hinge]

Yeah

Hologram is my goto scaler joker now ig

No nerfs for holo

Epico

[snow wagon]

Anaglyph into straight buffing tag is some funny stuff

[shell sparrow]

wait was Lucky Cat buffed?

Did I miss something

[faint hinge]

Yeah

[shy lance]

magician cards now make 2 lucky cards per

[faint hinge]

Also lucky card got buffed as well

[snow wagon]

It was buffed by proxy

[autumn egret]

it's .25x now per proc, up from .2

[plucky lantern]

didnt it also get a direct buff?

[shell sparrow]

I thought it was 0.2x before and it's showing as 0.25x now

[split ferry]

it was also buffed by literal

[faint hinge]

Also btw this my tier list of the jokers before the expiremental update

[shy lance]

yeah I think so, but I didn't spot the lucky cat on my playthrough and there was a lot of update notes lol.

[faint hinge]

I am gonna change some places now

[split ferry]

i am still blown away by the sixth sense buff

such a simple buff but such a large power spike to many many runs

[snow wagon]

Sixth sense being more common is a nerf

[shell sparrow]

Gift Card in D but Egg in B is criminal

[faint hinge]

4 spectrals

[sour kayak]

Is "free double tag" intended?

[faint hinge]

D+

[frail bison]

shoot the moon in S 💀

[split ferry]

4 spectrals that go to your consumable slot

nuts

[split ferry]

how

[faint hinge]

It is very good

You would be shocked

[fading jacinth]

Cola Buffed in Gold Stake 👀

[shell sparrow]

Shoot the Moon in S and Baron is below that?

[acoustic crypt]

So what are we all thinkin so far?

[mystic reef]

wait do mad and clever joker now only trigger on full house and two pair or has two pair now been expanded to mean like 4 of a kind and 5 of a kind

[snow wagon]

Hard to proc- spectral might not even be helpful or outright bad for your build

[autumn egret]

i really love the consistency the new patch brings to the early game, and the ability to actually buy packs late game

[snow wagon]

Sixth sense sucks

[acoustic crypt]

two pair has not been expanded to 4oak and 5oak

[shell sparrow]

nah but it still works in like Flush House and Flushes with 2 Pair

[autumn egret]

some of the skip and econ joker buffs feel...really strong

[mystic reef]

dang

[split ferry]

bruh

[outer cypress]

new magician and lucky cat is fun

[acoustic crypt]

im super stoked for that

[spiral comet]

jokerless still doesn't have top-up tag and blank/antimatter banned

and the other ecto/temperance/ankh/hex/wheel cards

[outer cypress]

got it up to around ~x17 with dusk and straights

[faint hinge]

Still some f tier jokers not buffed

[mystic reef]

its still like
thinning your deck a little

[shell sparrow]

some f tier jokers don't need to be buffed

[mystic reef]

i

[autumn egret]

bro wants to buff jimbo 😭

[mystic reef]

thats a very counter intuitive take

[shell sparrow]

not every joker is good, and also how in the world do you expect to make JIMBO D-Tier and still feel fair

[faint hinge]

No Jimbo buff 😦

[frail bison]

jimbo is fine

[snow wagon]

Jimbo should be named Jimbo in game

[mystic reef]

yeah the point of buffing jokers is to,,, make them good?

so that every joker is good

[shy lance]

Yup. I vastly preferred how the higher stakes felt now.

I really hated the increasing pack costs before. I just didn't feel good. With the rebalance in earlier tiers, and the packs not going up it means that there is more time to fix your run and randomness on the higher tiers is a bit less of a factor. I actually want to play more of this instead of the original time I ran into gold stakes played like twice and was like... nah... I don't care about the achievement lol.

[shell sparrow]

the game needs balance. If everything is good, then there isn't a balance.

[split ferry]

at least 4 card removes, and worst case you find a bad spectral card so you hold onto it and block it from showing up in packs

[shell sparrow]

It's how power creep occurs. You buff everything too much and the "decent" bar gets too high.

[split ferry]

or if you lack patience sixth sense is still just a money positive quadruple card remove

[spiral comet]

i mean some powerful jokers got nerfed like vampire and stuntman

[mystic reef]

i guess?

[spiral comet]

they are still good, but not op

*as op

[mystic reef]

but yeah you forget that in addition to making things that are falling behind get stronger

they're also

[split ferry]

pour one out for stuntman

[mystic reef]

making things that are too powerful weaker

[shy lance]

nah stuntman is still plenty good still lol

those 50 chips really don't matter too much... at least it didn't when I was playing erratic, it might matter a bit more for a plasma deck run.

[spiral comet]

counterpoint: if everything is not good, then there isn't a balance

[mystic reef]

of course there are weak cards are still weak to make strong cards feel strong

but i feel like every card should be strong enough to hold it's own in some build or have its own niche

except for like
you know the basic jokers

[snow wagon]

It’s not money positive cuz it makes you waste hands

Assuming you even hit ur 6s

[mystic reef]

i mean i guess if you're specifically digging for your 6s then yeah

[split ferry]

what's the buy price of sixth sense? six right?

you remove three sixes and sell the spectral cards. already positive

[mystic reef]

but like i feel like sixth sense is the kind of joker you buy to thin a little to supplement a run and then sell later on

[split ferry]

i agree

[mystic reef]

its a transition thing and isnt meant to hold it's own

[split ferry]

yes

[hushed grotto]

jimbo is already D tier and feels fair

[split ferry]

do i got at least three sixes and wiggle room with my jokers? welcome to the team sixth sense

[snow wagon]

It costs 6 and the extra 4 from wasted wasted hands

[mystic reef]

spectral cards are generally quite strong

[split ferry]

12 + 3 > 10

[mystic reef]

and if it's like
3 dollars for a hanged man to remove two cards

and this one also removes 4 cards

thats like 21 bucks worth of value

[split ferry]

you waste a hand for 1 dollar but have a floor of 3 dollars net gain per hand wasted

you are money neutral on your first use of it

[mystic reef]

also additionally just to appeal to the side of "sixth sense isnt good so making it more common is a nerf"

if you really dont like sixth sense

then do you really want to see that in place of some other rare joker

[split ferry]

tbf a lot of your build arounds are uncommon so late game finding sixth sense instead of the sock and buskin or mime is some bone hurting juice

i see the point i just value the upside significantly more than the downside

[acoustic crypt]

anyone have any hi res images of the new rental and perishible tags?

[hoary notch]

stickers*

[tepid copper]

does playing on this beta still contribute to achievements and your main save?

[waxen mist]

yeah i believe so ^

[young oasis]

Fuck

Some of these patch notes are wild

[outer cypress]

new blue seal goes funny mode

[young oasis]

They added a chip to Todd I'm losing my mind

This is like what BTD 6 did over the course of its life to make RNG stuff less RNG

Like QoL stuff

Which feels weird in Balatro of all games

[agile geode]

i love that odd todd was technically buffed but it was pretty much just for the funny to make it odd

[neon totem]

This is literally the second skip tag (Negative, not Rare) I've taken in the experimental branch

I'm just really lucky

[faint hinge]

Orrrrr +29 chips n

[faint hinge]

Less about rng but balance

Tho alc and sfact are rng

[maiden scroll]

Tons of great buffs and nerfs, but Vampire getting gutted hurts.

[faint hinge]

They buffed mail it was already good even at gold stake

[faint hinge]

Also fib from 7 to 8 dollars good change

[hoary notch]

What's with Todd? Missing from patchnotes

[faint hinge]

It is there

Tho i would space out each change

Since it was kinda clumped

Didn’t notice banner got nerfed

Until i read it agin

[hoary notch]

yeah, might've missed that and Fib

[faint hinge]

Fib was a good change

No such thing as a 7 fib

[outer cypress]

rip funny cat run

flush house got to like ~55

[split ferry]

the new skip tags 😍

[rocky oar]

will progress in this version carry over to the full game

[hoary notch]

yes

[rocky oar]

aawesome

im glad i got gold vamp before the nerf lol

[faint hinge]

Wait i forgot there is still that -1 discard on gold stake

Yeah i think that may be reworked???

[hoary notch]

Shouldn't be

[sour kayak]

cool

[outer cypress]

still cheaper than pre-patch

[acoustic crypt]

thats a $7 invisible as opposed to $10

and its only 2 rounds now. Not too shabby

[glacial dawn]

the egg gets even worse

[faint hinge]

It went to 8 dollars this update

Also less sell value ig

[spiral comet]

it's a bank where you can't take your money out (except temperance)

[outer cypress]

is eternal rental egg posting the new eternal egg posting

[faint hinge]

Yes

[sour kayak]

gotta say new Hanging Chad is pretty good

[neon minnow]

i continued the gold stake run i started on 1.0.0 jokers updated blind required chips updated hand size is updated but planets and booster pack cost increase hasnt changed

[formal crystal]

Got an eternal burnt joker from a rare tag skip

[neon minnow]

update hand size didnt change either

[snow wagon]

I think after playing it a bit the stickers might be a bit too common

The rare and uncommon tags are definitely better but the sticker chance as it is almost cancels out the benefit when it turns into a rental

[faint hinge]

Too good infact

[snow wagon]

Especially in ante 1

Where going minus for money hurts the most

[formal crystal]

Rental isn't supposed to be pure upside

[faint hinge]

Erm haning chad and photograph is insane

Umm pls nerf

[snow wagon]

When did I say that

[formal crystal]

Oh wait I misread that

I thought you were talking about joker stickers

[timid lintel]

i think negative tag might be a bit overtuned here

[plucky lantern]

i mean, they are on the two highest difficulties in the game

[faint hinge]

Nope

It was a bait tag

[somber lava]

continued runs won't have the new effects

[formal crystal]

Negative tag is fine now

[faint hinge]

Not good to gamble

[formal crystal]

It used to be really bad

[faint hinge]

D to B

[acoustic crypt]

rental only costs $1, and then 2 rounds at $3 then you sell to dupe, so its only $7 in the scenario

[faint hinge]

Yep

[shy lance]

I'm torn on it. My initial feeling is that it feels a bit too common but I also feel like it means that there is a lot more having to carefully choose and change your jokers throughout your run potentially.

So while it does feel like a lot, it does make the gold stakes feel quite a bit different and quite interesting.

I'll play more over the coming weeks though. Unlike the old gold stakes I'm having fun with the new one.

[snow wagon]

Yeah I’ll play with it more before I say for sure

[formal crystal]

I really like the new stickers, but I feel rental shouldn't go negative

[plucky lantern]

yea the patch made me actually want to play orange and gold stake

[snow wagon]

It feels easier and more engaging to play around than “fuck you no hand size and packs cost 12”

[faint hinge]

Vagabond still op

Yeah i was wrong mimikyu

The gold stakes make it still good

[snow wagon]

Especially with guaranteed joker pack

[formal crystal]

The +1 hand size makes playing stuff that isn't high card so much more freeing

[faint hinge]

True

[rocky oar]

i do think this will make economy jokers even more important to obtain early on which creates an interesting battle between getting enough to win and building cash, which is overall better than "just dont buy packs lol" but it also sucks hard seeing a joker you need with a sticker you have to play around

its interesting,the choice between taking it or not, though
and a thing i like about rental tag is if you know itll make your build good enough to beat the final boss it doest matter, so it incentivizes changing the build throughout more

[faint hinge]

Mail in is now op

[rocky oar]

"now"

[formal crystal]

They did nerf mail

[snow wagon]

Mail was buffed

5 per discard of rank

It’s crazy

[rocky oar]

WAIT ITS 5 NOW

oh ok wow

[formal crystal]

I thought that was the buy price

Wait what

[snow wagon]

Turns out it was the money lmao

[formal crystal]

Ok that seems excessive for what was already an amazing economy joker

[snow wagon]

I think the worst part about rental on a skip tag joker is you don’t even get as much benefit from buying then selling if you didn’t like the joker

Cuz rental sets the sell price to 1*

[faint hinge]

Cloud 9 got a terrible nerd

It is now 7 instead of 6

Literally unplayable

[snow wagon]

Speaking of 7s

[neon minnow]

half of the changes are here half of them are not

[snow wagon]

Aren’t 7s the only number with no card synergy

[faint hinge]

No joker sun

[faint hinge]

Shocked there isn’t since it is a lucky number

I think something like a 7 7 7 joker

Where if you get 3 sevens you get a jackpot of sort

[snow wagon]

Casino joker

[faint hinge]

Cardshark

[snow wagon]

Or slot machine

[rocky oar]

im so glad this was changed

it bothered me

[snow wagon]

What am I looking at

[faint hinge]

Chemical 7 from

[rocky oar]

there was an extra pixel on the old one

[faint hinge]

Luck be a landlord

[snow wagon]

Ah I see

Related but I’m glad they became 2 pair

4 of a kind jokers were assss

By the time you could build around them you had better jokers

[spiral comet]

kinda weird that the family still has the 4oak effect tho considering mad and clever got changed

[snow wagon]

Nah that one’s fine

[faint hinge]

Worse than half joker in every way lol

[snow wagon]

4x is big

[spiral comet]

ik ik

[rocky oar]

yknow while im here im just gonna fix loyalty card

[spiral comet]

just thematically weird

[snow wagon]

All of the hand based chip and mult jokers just being just worse than blue and abstract 99% of the time feels wrong

[rocky oar]

there my ocd is sated

[faint hinge]

Like in my tier list they have their own tier

(Just get blue or abstract joker)

[snow wagon]

I don’t even think they need to nerf abstract I think the hand jokers are just kinda weak

Even if I’m going pairs do I really want to keep sly joker around?

[autumn quiver]

is it normal to have a stickered joker become free after getting an edition from tags
also stickered jokers generated from tags

[formal crystal]

Yes

[snow wagon]

Yes

[rocky oar]

yeahhhhh nerfed gold stake vamp

[autumn quiver]

I mean, free and eternal blue joker isn't too bad Ig

[snow wagon]

Wait why is the background gold too

[rocky oar]

i gave the jokers i have gold staked gold backgrounds/borders so i can keep track when playing easier

[waxen wolf]

can confirm: new patch is great but does not make me good at the game

[rain forum]

idk if I can handle another stuntman nerf

[faint rain]

me with my balatro on switch: hmm yes interesting

[rocky oar]

also i went back to the old version and can confirm the saves transfer

[pastel gulch]

can't wait to play this update early 2025 👍

Thanks nintendo

[faint rain]

thats only 9 more months!

[snow wagon]

I was playing on controller on my laptop and my “cursor” was drifting a lot more than normal

[faint rain]

enough time for 1 (one) baby!

👶

[snow wagon]

Idk if that’s me or the update

[rocky oar]

these will make anaglyph runs so much more fun

[pastel gulch]

my 19 joker anaglyph run could have gone to the moon 😭

[rocky oar]

i keep going "oh this isnt shit anymore" these runs lmao

[faint hinge]

Anaglyph goes from 2nd best deck to 2nd best deck after the update🔥🔥🔥

Plasma still clears

[rocky oar]

YEAHHHHHHHH

using this with the new lucky cards

[snow wagon]

Honestly I’m kinda surprised black deck was left as is

Only deck that feels like a downgrade

[rocky oar]

oh my god do i do this

[teal void]

the hanging gigachad is real ❗ ❗ ❗

[fast jungle]

Black will become a lot better with the guaranteed pack in the first shop.

[pastel gulch]

got buffed indirectly by other changes

[fast jungle]

Biggest issue with black at gold rn was that its complete dog if you dont get a good joker asap cuz you just die because of -1 hand/round

[snow wagon]

That’s fair

Also the skip joker tags

[split ferry]

at least u can invest in celestial packs now

yeah that too

[rocky oar]

screw it chat im doing the lucky card deck

[snow wagon]

Nebula deck stocks are up

[split ferry]

real

[fast jungle]

does the game save your progress if you reinstall to access beta

or do you have to back it up

[snow wagon]

Why would you reinstall

[rocky oar]

we got one

[dim parcel]

after using the new vampire Ive changed my mind its still good

[split ferry]

the rough gem + hanging chad experience

[rocky oar]

it was a lucky card, this is the lucky card run apparently

because magician is now less garbage

[split ferry]

bruh

ur econ is about to go to the moon

[formal crystal]

Jokerless guarantees a buffoon pack

[snow wagon]

Triple S tier to B tier smh

[dim parcel]

fr LOL

[formal crystal]

Its still amazing

Just not an autowin

[somber lava]

it's A tier rn but it's so slow

[hoary notch]

Technically legit

[snow wagon]

I mean

It’s not like you can actually buy the jokers

With no slots

[formal crystal]

Its funny though

[snow wagon]

True!

[rocky oar]

oh hell yea

[glacial dawn]

was going for a negative tag run but accidentally spent my doubles on investment tags

[rocky oar]

hanging chad too

[sour kayak]

pay 1$ to reroll for free, then sell to get back the dollar

[split ferry]

manamorphose moment

[glacial dawn]

also if we're making joker prices match the joker's numbers, make odd todd $3 please

[rare elm]

nah

that's too much of a buff

maybe 5$

😹

[autumn quiver]

hanging chad's buff is awesome
works great for enhanced cards and jokers that trigger from played cards

essentially 1.5x better than before the buff

[snow wagon]

Retriggers are so funny in this game

Either it’s [phone] score or +7 chips

[crude cobalt]

hack at very start of run: terrible joker

hack at end of busted run: main driver of score

[rare elm]

Tbh I don't fully understand the eris buff

[snow wagon]

Hack when fibbonachi

[rare elm]

thought flush five was already powerful enough

[snow wagon]

It was partially to make them scale differently

[rare elm]

like you aren't going to do flush five in jokerless, and that's probably the only place where this change could make sense

[snow wagon]

Sigil ouija

[glacial dawn]

new swashbuckler is pretty fun, as is the new investment tag

[rare elm]

ouija bad

[glacial dawn]

overall the changes are pretty good

[tepid copper]

i feel like bloodstone didn't need a buff tbh

[glacial dawn]

but gold stake feels too easy now?

[rare elm]

how tho

[crude cobalt]

its certainly a lot easier

but less painful

[somber lava]

the important part is that it's more fun to play

[crude cobalt]

i kinda wish it was buffed in a different way?

[rare elm]

it's better that you arent forced to play high card/pairs

[glacial dawn]

this is true. gold stake is a lot more fun now

[snow wagon]

At the very least it’s less banging head on wall as you die ante 1-3 7 times

[tepid copper]

the fact that it's a 100% chance now with the dice joker is kinda ridiculous lol

already felt like retriggering was a sufficient way to have it trigger more

[snow wagon]

2 all 6es should make bloodstone double trigger 🧠

[rare elm]

false

[glacial dawn]

the tag buffs are crazy though

got a holo blueprint shop 1

[snow wagon]

Consider

Funny

[rare elm]

bloodstone with all 6s is at the very least viable now

[tepid copper]

it isn't just viable

it's busted lol

[snow wagon]

It’s prob busted in checker deck

[crude cobalt]

its just busted in general lol

[still dune]

Not sure if this is a "new patch issue" or something or even a bug but a joker duplicated with the Ankh has the default Red Deck background when flipped

[rare elm]

it's still 1 extra joker slot for X2, compared to idol/trib, but yea, it's now viable early on

[crude cobalt]

im not complaining tho ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crude cobalt]

yea thats been a thing

same with invis joker

[rare elm]

was a thing for ages (since the release)

[tepid copper]

yeah but making a flush is infinitely easier than trib or idol's conditions

[still dune]

i'm dumb

sorry

[tepid copper]

also gold stake might be a bit too easy now, but maybe that's because i'm too used to the old gold stake

[rocky oar]

i like the new update

[crude cobalt]

i think unfortunately "more fun" and "same difficulty" are mutually exclusive

[patent sphinx]

I liked Swash better when it only counted jokers to its left, but in that state maybe it was too weak
now it is indistinguishable from abstract joker, however
the essence of swash was the tradeoff between xmult and +mult imo
so, suggestion: buffed old effect (x2 all sell price of the jokers left to it)

[tepid copper]

i think keeping the -1 hand size would be fine considering the pack price increasing is gone

and all the skip tag buffs

and the lowered scaling

it's just a bit too many buffs all at the same time

[snow wagon]

It was not the same as abstract

[patent sphinx]

I'm going off the patch notes, where it counts sell prices of all jokers

[rocky oar]

i just need lucky cat smh

[snow wagon]

Egg , gift card, foil/holographic/polychrome as synergize with swash in a way that abstract doesn’t get

Also legendary jokers

[patent sphinx]

egg and gift card is 2 jokers out of 150, even less than pareidolia

[faint hinge]

They didn’t buff it?

[snow wagon]

Foil holographic and polychrome are way easier to get this patch

[patent sphinx]

ah

[faint hinge]

Oops need a buff

[shy lance]

while I disliked the previous gold stake, I am hoping that it gets added as like an optional challenge or something in the challenge mode for people who still want to play it.

[snow wagon]

Which increase sell values

[faint hinge]

Or challenge editor

So you can do it

[shy lance]

yeah. I would also just like a full blown stake editor where you can mix and match options.

[faint hinge]

Mods did it

Should be in base game

Maybe clean it up i suppose

I think it would be easy

[glacial dawn]

i feel like it'd come in the same update as daily challenges

[patent sphinx]

"way easier"?

[faint hinge]

To implement

[faint hinge]

Daily?

They planned that?

[patent sphinx]

I don't see anything other than the free edition tag

[snow wagon]

Skip tags got better

[shy lance]

I would love to experiment with white stake scaling and all the stickers while watching TV 😛

I tend to make extra mistakes while watching stuff and they can get me in trouble 😛

[faint hinge]

Sandbox mode

[shy lance]

it was on the steam page... still might be lol.

[faint hinge]

Also are they gonna add new jokers?

[patent sphinx]

well that's still the same probability

[faint hinge]

Or 150 is the max?

[glacial dawn]

they might? but not for a while i think

[patent sphinx]

I guess that makes taking the tags more attractive

[snow wagon]

I mean the previously probability was basically 0 cuz you didn’t skip

[crude cobalt]

yeah i like that skipping is actually like, pretty decent for a lot of tags

[somber lava]

hm

[crude cobalt]

cause before like uncommon tag literally 0% chance

[snow wagon]

Ante 1 rare skip was a meme on anything but yellow deck

[glacial dawn]

also just because "mods did it" doesn't mean it should be in vanilla

[shy lance]

mods have added beyond 150, but I don't think localthunk has commented on whether he will go beyond 150.

There is pool balance to consider. as the more jokers you add the less likely you are to see any given joker.

[glacial dawn]

mods can afford to be unpolished and buggy

[somber lava]

yeah i do agree

[glacial dawn]

and also that'd be a fair bit of translation

[south pendant]

Thaaaank you

[woven knot]

lol non-sticker joker is going to be rare (40%*70%=28%?)

[errant sun]

iirc 30% for each sticker, but also perishable is incompatible with eternal afaik (at least i haven't seen a joker with both)

so not sure how the ordering goes for probabilities

[woven knot]

#1226687886980681870 message
thunk has explained here

[errant sun]

ah, neat

yeah just a 28% chance, myb didnt look up there

[faint hinge]

Now that i am thinking about it

There are too many stickers for jokers

[glacial dawn]

rental should at least be changed to be at the top right if no top sticker is applied

[winged aurora]

Disagree. If it’s always the second one it’s easier to notice for me. It’s personal preference, no right or wrong.

[copper elk]

Saved by Mr. Bones(?)

[south pendant]

this is easy enough to do. the position is determined by an img file, so make another img and move it in the corner and write a condition like "if not eternal use this second img"

I made the same suggestion. someone could mod it easily if thunk doesnt do it in the base game

[glacial dawn]

yeah it'd probably be part of a sticker api or something

[light falcon]

Does beta progress carries on into the base game?

[south pendant]

i havent switched back to 1.0 but i get acheivements, so, probably?

[autumn quiver]

zamn
gold sticker on madness
I'm glad gold stake is less hellish at early game (-1 hand size is brutal)

Acorn doesn't work on a dragging joker
just drag a joker before the shuffle, you'll keep it

[south pendant]

i just checked, can confirm yes

[maiden notch]

played on gold blind, found it easier. mostly because in the comparison of the two, gold blind on 1.0 kind of feels like going against blinds that are spongy with so few resources. do think that boosters cost 1$ more per round could stay around as a challenge of some kind. overall the new stickers feel good, makes for some interesting decisions and forces more gros michael like scenarios

[autumn quiver]

when gros michel goes extinct you don't get the sell money back

[maiden notch]

but you do lose the +15 meaning you cant bet on it in the long run, forces a pivot. its interesting

[autumn quiver]

rental jokers start out cheap, but get costly the more rounds you use it in

they can easily get countered by gold cards, gold seal, cash-generating jokers, etc.

[maiden notch]

but it changes the algebra for the cards you play with, makes you think about the game in a different way. such as what if you get a bull with rental? is it worth it to take if you dont have something like square since it eats into itself? which is better then, you have 7 cards to make a hand

[autumn quiver]

it does open up a lot more possibilities

at least perishable just disables a joker after 5 rounds
you certainly don't want them to suddenly go poof like gros michel

invis is now much easier to use, I'm glad also

I gotta say the main menu with reduced motion is a bit dull
why not have a static blue-red vortex instead, just for main menu tho

[jolly surge]

Thanks for the update! A note: the game looks kind of blurry on smaller displays/windows now, I imagine it's because of the highdpi flag now only being set for OS X systems? Setting it to true makes it readable again. Thought I'd share. Unsure if it should be a bug, or if it's intended.

[spare shuttle]

Why was the Madness nerfed 🥲

Nerf is imo very unnecessary

[raven vapor]

targeted towards white stake i think

possibly a good thing, builds pretty bad habits

[spare shuttle]

ehh, idk

it doesn't really matter since after the boss blind you're gonna lose the jokers anyway

and skipping all blinds to save the jokers removes the whole point of Madness

since it's not gonna even scale

for me it sounds really stupid

on white stake you don't even need the jokers

since the scoring is so low

you can just spam planets and tarots

[maiden notch]

it probably has to do more with scaling as it cuts madness's scaling by a 1/3 probably gets really rediculous if you get it early

[raven vapor]

so someone supposedly took a neg tag and it hit a perishable and sells for $1 instead of $0
is this intended? or already fixed

[frail bison]

bruh

[plucky lantern]

yea ive beat runs on green stake with madness alone when i got it at the start. gets even better once eternals are added. seems like a fair nerf to me

[spare shuttle]

i just really don't understand the way it was nerfed

[raven vapor]

verdant leaf counterplay :^)

[spare shuttle]

and it's not like madness is a free win when you get it early

[plucky lantern]

how would you nerf it then?

[spare shuttle]

at least on high stakes

[plucky lantern]

on high stakes its even better with eternal jokers

[spare shuttle]

tbf i wouldn't even nerf it

[maiden notch]

could be that thunk is not happy with the card and is looking for a solution rather then removal

[spare shuttle]

it's even better, but xmult alone is not gonna carry you early on

[plucky lantern]

maybe just moving it to rare?

[raven vapor]

might be thinking that any card that isn't legendary that has a potential to be single handedly game winning is unacceptable on any stake

[spare shuttle]

but i guess removing the -1 hand size helps with getting bigger hands so the xmult from madness is a little better early

[raven vapor]

in that case, yeah madness fits the bill

[glacial dawn]

madness was a buff imo? it lets you lock in once you've scaled it up

[dusk hinge]

lmao that vampire nerf

[somber lava]

madness was a rework

[spare shuttle]

it's a nerf, let's be real

[somber lava]

nay

[tame igloo]

im feeling the tiniest fps spikes when i open booster packs

barely perceivable but im feeling them

[spare shuttle]

yeah and just skip 2/3 of the shops, absolutely buff

[glacial dawn]

the tags were buffed too

[somber lava]

i guess it's like that so you can't just rely on it the entire game

which was what thunk was going for

[spare shuttle]

ehh

i dont like it

but i guess i'll have to accept it

i get the point of single joker carrying whole game, but in my opinion it was really unique in its own way and no other joker could do that

and as I said, i don't think it was entirely free win when obtained early on high stakes

[dusk hinge]

I'm not sure how I feel about the rental sticker , excited to try it this evening

[maiden notch]

its interesting

[dusk hinge]

paying $3 per round for 1/3 of the jokers feels like a steep price but initial lower cost may be interesting

[raven vapor]

rental feels like a massive buff instead of what it's intended to be
unless you slap it onlike half the jokers, then yeah

because right now you just take a rental abuse it as much as you can then sell it before it charges you
free trials for jokers yes please

[spare shuttle]

when does the rental happen?

[somber lava]

end of round

[maiden notch]

end of round before cash out screen

[somber lava]

rental chaos is a 100% buff

[dusk hinge]

what's their sell value ?

[raven vapor]

rental chaos, rental hallucination, rental all 6s, rental matador, rental lucha, rental diet cola
value town baby

sells for $1

[maiden notch]

but what about rental bull and boostrap, is it worth it? 🤔

[dusk hinge]

It opens some interesting strategies. It's still a pain because the permanent jokers you will need may have the rental sticker

[raven vapor]

probably yes because eco is easier than ever

play lucky cards get $20 a round

[autumn quiver]

wait
if it's only small and big blind that madness gains xmult, I believe it won't destroy a non-eternal joker when selecting boss

that's a rather nice thing

you can get luchador to work with madness

[spare shuttle]

it's 99% nerf

it removes 1/3 of the scaling

[dusk hinge]

the upside feels very niche yeah

[spare shuttle]

for a very mediocre upside

not even mediocre

[rare elm]

also helps a little with verdant leaf, you only need to pick up 1 joker which you can sell

[spare shuttle]

also stupid

that run with soul yesterday

[rare elm]

I saw

[spare shuttle]

it worked i think since i got yorick (no sticker)

ye

[rare elm]

congrats lol

[spare shuttle]

but tbf i cant be 100% sure it was due to update

[autumn quiver]

yorick's rework is awesome

[spare shuttle]

since it could just have yorick by default

but im too lazy to check the seed

[rare elm]

if u have seed it's easy enough to check

[spare shuttle]

yeah but im too lazy lmao

i just pretend its due to update

[rare elm]

I can use seed analyzer

[spare shuttle]

well

then i guess i could give you the seed

[rare elm]

just lmk what ante

would make it easier

[spare shuttle]

NQTSG3RR

it was ante 7 i think

but i picked up

double voucher with -1 ante

so idk how it works

[rare elm]

it still generates as ante 7

so all good

[wary swift]

boys de we have to re-gold stake jokers ?

[raven vapor]

nop

you can carry over your current save

[wary swift]

🙏

[solar oriole]

Banner nerf is not balanced with Blue Joker. Blue Joker usually gives around 100 chips for doing nothing. New Banner sometimes gives a little more than 100 chips if the stars align and you alter your playstyle significantly.

[still burrow]

• Changed default fallback tarot from Fool to Strength (when all tarots are on screen)

Can someone explain this please? My english is bad

[glacial dawn]

suppose you somehow had enough consumable slots to have every tarot card in them

if you then opened an arcana pack, it would now pull strength

instead of the fool

[still burrow]

So if I have so many tarot cards in my inventory that the game does not know what tarots to spawn, it spawns Strength?

[glacial dawn]

yeah

[solar oriole]

It's an edge case that doesn't happen in normal gameplay

[still burrow]

Thanks

Wow blue seal is so much better now

[rare elm]

pretty sure blue joker normally gives 88

blue joker also loses chips from playing and discarding, banner only from discarding

banner nerf is still pretty big, tho I'd say you can mostly feel it on blue+ stakes

[elfin girder]

i'm not sure yet if the game feels too easy now, but the changes sure are very fun, i'm having a blast with this update! the joker tags making it free are a gamechanger- but on high stakes still balanced because it can still be eternal/perisherable etc

[solar oriole]

I was putting a lot of weight on "around 100". I think it's arguable that Blue Joker and Banner are close to the same power now, but Banner requires changing your gameplay significantly while Blue Joker requires nothing.

[spare shuttle]

blue joker also requires changing your gameplay

[manic canopy]

blue joker requires you to play less cards, no?

[spare shuttle]

you can't just discard 1/3 of your deck to fish for big hand

[manic canopy]

yeah

[spare shuttle]

if you want the chips

or just, playing big hands overall

both banner and blue joker are basically jokers for hc/pair

[manic canopy]

anything is for hc

jk

[solar oriole]

If I discard 20 cards with Blue Joker, I will have 20 less chips. If I discard 20 cards with Banner, I will have 120 less chips. I think this aligns with what I was arguing. Blue Joker is more powerful and stays more powerful regardless of how you play.

[manic canopy]

uhh

no?

you'll have 40 less chips with blue joker

[spare shuttle]

you forget that blue joker is also deck dependent

[manic canopy]

i think

each card remaining is valued at 2 chips not 1

[solar oriole]

Your right, 40 vs 120, but my point is still the same.

[spare shuttle]

you can't thin your deck, and that's a thing you 99% of the time want to do

[manic canopy]

blue joker and banner are used for different types of runs

[raven vapor]

lmao for high card blue joker was basically better banner anyway

i won't be surprised if it only got nerfed because of exactly golden needle

[solar oriole]

Remember that banner was the one that got nerfed, by your own logic the worse card got nerfed

[spare shuttle]

could be the case lol

[manic canopy]

negative tag making the joker free is crazy

[raven vapor]

ye well in golden needle banner was carrying hard xd

[rare elm]

five card draw also has 6 discards

tho five card draw is less of a challenge and more of an interesting deck

[manic canopy]

magician giving two lucky cards now is so nice

[pastel gulch]

anyone else surprised at lack of buff to wild cards?

[dusk hinge]

I was expecting something similar to lucky cards yeah

[hoary notch]

well, flower pot

[manic canopy]

i honestly never get wild cards in my runs

but they have a use case compared to lucky cards which are just as good as a regular card with the occassional funny proc

[raven vapor]

wild cards don't matter, little upside and gets countered by 4 blinds

[pastel gulch]

this isnt substantial enough to make me take it over almost any other option

[rare elm]

debuffed wild counts as its base suit

[hoary notch]

looking at the Tower

[pastel gulch]

1 $20 payout off a lucky can swing a run

but wild cards just feel meh

[manic canopy]

ig wild cards could get the same buff as lucky

[pastel gulch]

too easy to enable flushes with other tarots

[pastel gulch]

was surprised to not see this in tbh

[hoary notch]

imo there definitely should be Stone poker hands

[raven vapor]

it's very awkward for wild cards to exist when you have 4 whole tarots whose entire purpose is to do that but better

[manic canopy]

too niche tbh

[raven vapor]

might as well rework those 4 first

[little lion]

I’ve picked my favorite thing: magician giving two lucky cards just makes all of life for a lucky card build so much more fluid

[manic canopy]

my favorite change is negative tag making the joker free

like its actually crazy

[little lion]

yeah that’s

[manic canopy]

the negative tag i feel is the only one that should maybe get nerfed

make it half price or smth

[little lion]

it’s crazy I am almost on the fence about some of the tag changes but localthunk knows best prob

[raven vapor]

it's beta for a reason

[little lion]

I think like a discount would be totally fair

[raven vapor]

go buckwild and we'll figure out what's broken and what's the new laughing stock

[little lion]

update is really fantastic so far. enjoying my hanging chad-lucky card-spam-nonsense for free cha-chings

[frail bison]

what am i duping here

[little lion]

gamin

[frail bison]

@raven vapor

[glacial dawn]

the fact that perkeo didn't get nerfed is crazy

[raven vapor]

uh
i guess fool because steel doesn't really work for you? lmao

[manic canopy]

high card overpowered as usual

[frail bison]

fool on what?

[rare elm]

just fool

[frail bison]

aight

hopefully no throw

i NEED this stickerrrr

HOLY

but its bad now rightttttttttttt

[dull totem]

Honestly this is fine
I wouldn't pick up a useless negative most of the time

[manic canopy]

nah

vampire is still good

[dull totem]

Now at the very least it can increase temperance value for free no matter what

[manic canopy]

i think

true

[raven vapor]

if there was ever a time to take vamp, now would be it lmao
2 fools a round wew

get any of empress/hierophant/magician you just start printing

[frail bison]

oh but the poor credit card

rip

do i keep fools with devil or wait

[raven vapor]

use devil, hold all fools unless you're very short on score

[frail bison]

nvm emp get

annoying to proc tho

[dull totem]

I think to do list might become a bit too strong

It will almost be strictly better than gold joker assuming you proc it at least once per roind

[manic canopy]

to do list is heaven for burglar runs if it hits high card/pair

[upbeat sky]

Don't know if anyone has reported it, but despite joker packs being banned in the jokerless challenge, the "you always get a joker booster in the first shop" appears to take precedence - and due to having 0 slots you cant take either of them anyway, so it feels like a trap

[frail bison]

PERKEOOOOOOO STICKERRRRRRRRRRRRR

[quasi thistle]

love to see it, looks like the vampire and stuntman nerfs didnt stop ya

I assume vampire went crazy with perkeo copying any card that generates 2 enhancements

[modern kiln]

The thing about Vampire is that lategame you want, by and large, more times mult rather than bigger times mult. Vampire isn't going to 4/5x anymore but just being a 2x/2.5x is already good enough to be worth a slot in most cases

[quasi thistle]

yeah

I've yet to try it post-patch. the patch notes look scary because of 3 separate nerfs but maybe it's still a good card :P

[solar oriole]

really good point

[modern kiln]

Honestly, the biggest nerf to it is probably the rarity change

Because of Baseball Card

Baseball got some pretty notable hits here, with Vampire, Burned and Vagabond all going from Uncommon to Rare that means there's less superb jokers to combo with it

Burned losing its ability to pivot into a 1.5x with Baseball lategame is unbelievably huge for it and means you wanna drop it earlier

[hardy rock]

lol

[rare elm]

did you pick up petro on ante 7/8?

[neat dove]

honestly feels like chances for perishables and rentals are a bit too high

[spare shuttle]

yes

[rare elm]

yea that's a bit harder to check, cba lol

[spare shuttle]

np

[neat dove]

there's a 51% for a joker to have one of those, and that's not counting eternals

[rare elm]

isn't it 60%?

cuz 30% perishable and 30% eternal

it's either one or another

• 30% chance for the rental (which Im not 100% sure how to calculate)

[neat dove]

oh true, mb

so 28% you find a joker without any sticker

feels like too much

[spare shuttle]

28% for no sticker is kinda wild, but at least i dont have to play around 7 hand size and 15$ packs

lol

so i guess its fair

[rare elm]

gold stake is not supposed to be easier

[neat dove]

i mean ngl it feels kinda worse

[hardy rock]

Perishable is like SOOO common wtf?

[spare shuttle]

i know, thats why i said its fair

[rare elm]

thunk mentioned that it's still going to be tough, but more fun

[hardy rock]

its probably fine but it feels extreme

[spare shuttle]

i just need to accustom to this change

yeah its tough but feels way more playable

than -1 hand size and packs

also the buffon pack change

is nice

[rare elm]

-1 hand size was cheesed with HC spam

so the new stickers might feel worse

[neat dove]

i feel like toning down chances for the stickers a bit would feel nicer

[faint hinge]

Just had an epic run

With only jokers that were changed

Hanging chad hard cary lucky cards fr

With lucky cat

[tame igloo]

i think its just growing pains and the meta not being developed yet since the beta has only been out for 8 hours

i think the odds for the stickers are fine? i think if they were any lower then gold stake would be even easier

im having fun with them even accounting for how common they are

[little lion]

what are peoples genuine opinions on Eternals being able to show up in packs now?

[tame igloo]

initially i thought perishable and rental jokers were unplayable but really they're just an inconvenience that can pass in time

[broken needle]

idk why that wasn’t a thing before

[little lion]

I am… understanding why but still not the biggest fan. I liked having some more security over RNG

[tame igloo]

but this is security over rng! we dont have to deal with -1 hand size anymore

this is the GOOD kind of rng that ADDS more player choice instead of removing it and it feels awesome

adds so much more player choice

[little lion]

…i was just commenting on eternal not perishable or rental

[tame igloo]

._.

[little lion]

I mean go off and I agree with 100% what you said

[tame igloo]

i kind of get it tho

opening buffoon packs doesnt provide as much value as it used to

[little lion]

but yeah eternal in packs now? Specifically just eternal. I like how the others can stack.

[tame igloo]

also trying to pick one just to sell it and then pick the one you actually really wanted from a mega buffoon is much less easy now

i think rentals are only ever valued at $1?

i think its okay that negative mods can show up in joker packs

i like how the stickers follow you everywhere instead of being countered by simply opening packs

[little lion]

Idk but at least part of my past 300 hours in this glorious (and not rage inducing) gold steaks treck, was to rely on big buffoon packs to fill up my joker slots without worrying about Eternal.

this is a specific comment on eternal in packs, I like the others in them

[tame igloo]

yeah

eternal is the biggest one i think in those packs

[little lion]

it just added another layer of RNG in my game

I mean I’m okay with it

but it is more rng

[tame igloo]

my reading comprehension

[little lion]

hehe all good

[little lion]

yeah oof. the economy from buffoon packs got worse too. Less options to sell if some pop up as eternal.

[neat dove]

they arent that bad but finding a rental early game sucks, less so for perishables but still

[tame igloo]

still so worth to still look at them tho cuz shop slots havent changed

[neat dove]

I agree

[tame igloo]

this is one of my runs where i skipped every blind to carry my two card sharps to the end

perishables are not guaranteed death, you have the option to mega skip lots of blinds if you want to

in my case it was 100% necessary

||i modded my game to show collection stickers so i can track which golds i still need||

[faint hinge]

Ngl there is wayy to many pins now

It is gonna be so weird to play gd

Gold

[little lion]

I think we got tons of player buffs with the tag changes, and several jonkler changes. I am jusy sayin I don’t know if I necessarily like the way to nerf players, is to potentially give more frustrating scenarios to deal with instead of scenarios requiring more thought or effort

[tame igloo]

i dont like how the rental sticker is out of place when its the only modifier on a joker

hopefully it will be fixed or something

[little lion]

overall patch was huge. I just don’t like eternals in my buffoon packs (other stickers ok) 10/10 update

[neat dove]

I always liked how baffoon packs have normal jokers because they are rare enough (the packs)

[neat dove]

me too 😭

it looks so out of place

[tame igloo]

you could maybe make an argument for letting other stickers except eternal appearing in buffoon packs?

we would need to play the game more to truly get a gamefeel and determine if thats an overall positive change for the game

idk how stiff or flexible the patch notes are

[neat dove]

perishables in buffoon packs are definitely fine

[little lion]

oh for sure. I’d say it would be healthy because you give more options imo. Eternal is about making a permanent game altering decision

[hushed grotto]

i think it's cool how it indirectly communicates that it's the only one that can stack

and that eternal/perishable can't with each other

[tame igloo]

ive had runs with like 3 or even 4 of my slots filled with eternals because i had to do it

its kind of annoying

[tame igloo]

i get that a lot

it still doesnt look right tho

blehhh

[faint hinge]

Yep

[faint hinge]

I do think that joker packs should not have working pin

[toxic nest]

perhaps moving it to the bottom corner could still indicate that but make it look neater when its the only debuff

[faint hinge]

Literally got it for free

[tame igloo]

there's definitely room for it

bottom left corner seems fine, its not in the way of the J O K E R printings on the side

[faint hinge]

Some jokers have different placements on that “JOKER” print

[toxic nest]

but there are jokers with writing/ stuff in the top right anyway that gets obscured by the current placement of debuff stickers

so not really an issue imo

[faint hinge]

Wee joker

[tame igloo]

tiny joke

r

[ruby idol]

i like new hanging chad

the double proc is wonderful

[tame igloo]

i used it to throw 2's with wee joker at the blinds like throwing stars and just level up the chip amount to an insane ~+600

it was very funny

but also the hanging chad was perishable so good things cant last forever 😔

[faint hinge]

Too overpowered

Now way better than hack and dusk lmao

Dusk now is sooo bad compared to hanging chad

Really makes me wonder

[ruby idol]

i think hanging chad is too good for common now

[faint hinge]

Either that or they buff dusk

[ruby idol]

probably the second best common in the game, but cavendish doesn't really count

[faint hinge]

To do the same as hanging

[autumn quiver]

hanging chad now focuses on first card in poker hand, while the rest go for the entire hand

[faint hinge]

The best common is raised lol

[tame igloo]

i think its also because you get to choose what card you retrigger every time and its often the only card in your hand that pops off from retriggers like +mult enhancement

[faint hinge]

Photograph and tarot enchanxe works

[faint hinge]

Yep

Unlike dusk which is now super mid

Should dusk get buff now?

[ruby idol]

raised is not that good lmao

[tame igloo]

dusk seems fine to me

[ruby idol]

max of like, +20 mult?

[faint hinge]

+11

[tame igloo]

if you dont mind throwing away your hands you get to retrigger your very best possible hand

[faint hinge]

And abstract is like 12 or 15

[ruby idol]

isn't it double?

[tame igloo]

through many discards and junk hands

[faint hinge]

Yeah aces

11 x 2

Makes it better than old mad joker lol

[ruby idol]

yeah, so +22 mult at most isn't better than double retriggers or x3 mult

[faint hinge]

Early game

It carries

[hardy rock]

Face joker giving +6 multi niceeeee

i just beat orange stake after 5 attempts, it's pretty dang hard, but i do enjoy it

[autumn quiver]

certainly there are less face cards than cards in a suit
so sinful jokers get nerfed, while smiley face gets buffed

[hardy rock]

the constant rotations are kinda annoying, i feel like 5 rounds is slightly too punishing. Maybe it needs to be 6 on perishable

but then again, its hard to tell until i play more and more

[autumn quiver]

you can skip blinds to prolong a perishable joker

[hardy rock]

Yah, I did use that technology with the skip joker (great combo)

[faint hinge]

I feel like the working pin is much worse ngl

The perish isn’t that bad

[forest bloom]

counterpoint: i liked bricking on SF actually

made it feel banana like

and sometimes you can clear the SF or four-of-a-kind and its pretty nice

[hardy rock]

lol

[mild crane]

worth

[forest bloom]

worth

why doesnt perishable destroy the joker? it feels like it was purely to make eternal + perishable even worse

[faint hinge]

Op busted but not as busted as mail

[hushed grotto]

Eternal + perishable does not exist

[forest bloom]

ah

[hushed grotto]

having the joker still there allows you to still sell it or keep it there for temperance

or get a sticker on it even

[forest bloom]

but why

[somber lava]

eternal and perishable are mutually exclusive

and it's like that so you still get the sticker i think

[forest bloom]

youd be playing with a slot missing tho

[somber lava]

just sell it?

[fossil dawn]

Do you keep ur save if u unlock stuff on the beta?

[south pendant]

yes

[fossil dawn]

like joker stickers and stuff

ok

[faint hinge]

Sad day

[south pendant]

unfort

[forest bloom]

probably still worth it

[fervent beacon]

Ngl the new orange and gold stake kind of nerfs black deck which is funny but sad

Much harder to make use of all your joker slots when they're siphoning money from you and getting disabled

[forest bloom]

black deck already got the new joker tags + guaranteed buffoon it's probably fine

[fervent beacon]

Anaglyph is kind of busted now

[autumn quiver]

since you now instantly foresight the next boss after defeating one, dropping back to ante 8 does not change it to final boss

[forest bloom]

youre in endless at that point, it's probably fine

[rare elm]

not a bug

[autumn quiver]

I never said it was

[rare elm]

oh wait

I see what you mean

yea that's interesting

[frail belfry]

Hey has anyone had a chance to test on steam deck yet?

[dusk hinge]

can't wait for the first negative perishable blueprint screenshot

[rare elm]

so now it's only possible to fight the final boss 2 or 3 times during ante 8

[rare elm]

I saw a message that the performance was fixed with new version somewhere

[frail belfry]

Oh sick, in this thread?

[rare elm]

I can try to find

there's this

which I didnt see

[frail belfry]

woah what

[shrewd owl]

ya

[hoary notch]

localthunk, Unrelated to the thread, but I've been trying to reach you multiple times about the full Russian localization mod that I'd really like to be included in the official release, but haven't got any response both here and from Playstack. If you could accept my DM, I'll give you the details. Sorry for the offtop.

Already translated all the new 1.0.1c strings.

[frail belfry]

And how is it compared to the 1.0.0 version of the game? Any difference?

[rare elm]

oh yea this one

someone got better performance, someone got worse 😭

[spiral comet]

what an situation

[cunning mantle]

just some quick testing on steam deck, seems there are some stutters when playing cards and opening arcana packs

[frail belfry]

Which steam deck do you have?

LCD or OLED?

[cunning mantle]

oled

whatever the highest memory option

[frail belfry]

curious - could you set your FPS to like 60 and try it?

[cunning mantle]

sure

[frail belfry]

I think oled might have it's own issues with the game - I've been testing on my LCD deck

[gloomy otter]

Had a lot of fun with the new update! Here's a few of my feedback. (played on gold stake)

• Change in ante scaling is much more forgiving, some times can feel a bit too easy but I don't mind it.
• Packs not costing 15gold anymore is a lot of fun, and makes sense that packs cost less because of the new rental mechanic
• New Perishable mechanic is sorta fun. Makes me rotate more jokers which is challenging. Annoying when perishable jokers like Invisible Joker
• New Rental mechanic is not super challenging, more of a minor annoyance in the early game.
• Gold stake feels a lot easier with the normal hand size and pack costs. Won 2/3 times
• Investment tag giving $25 seems too strong but makes sense because of Rentals
• Campfire getting X0.25 felt weak, but maybe deserved as it carried a few of my prior games
• Free rares and negatives are really fun!
• Idk if its the new update or not but I had a few
  drop in FPS a number of times
• Haven't had to opportunity to try blue seal but sounds pretty good and interesting
• Yorick seems much more viable
• Madness (one of my favs too) getting nerfed hurts my heart. IMO didn't feel deserved
• Hanging chad is AMAZING
• Buffs to lucky cat and lucky cards are also one of my favs
• LOVE the new changes to 8 ball. It could be the new vagabond!

[shrewd owl]

it's slow on my deck and I have an LCD 🤷‍♂️

[glacial dawn]

yeah, rental doesn't feel too strong. could be a fun mod for when daily challenges get added. doesn't feel like a fitting gold stake downside

[frail belfry]

Slow compared to the 1.0.0 version?

Like it's worse than before?

[shell wharf]

Imo gold stake doesn’t need to straight up be harder for more experienced players, but more complex and more to think about idk and I feel rental does that

[glacial dawn]

fair enough

[forest bloom]

ascend....sideways?

[gloomy otter]

Yeah I can see that too