[1.0.1f] God Seed V2 (7IEI7YE) | Balatro | Page 2

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:24 AM

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how much does rebate give?

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:24 AM

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Rebate is 3 per card discarded but it can be copied

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:24 AM

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damn

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:24 AM

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So 3 x 5 x however many copy cards you got

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:25 AM

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i didn't know it could be copied

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:25 AM

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Times how many discards you got

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That's why rebate was used

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It's busted

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And it goes based on your deck

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Once your deck is fully maniped the rng is gone

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It's like how idol works

wet swift Apr 14, 2024, 8:27 AM

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uhh

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:27 AM

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you didn't take tarot or planet merchant?

wet swift Apr 14, 2024, 8:28 AM

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yep

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:28 AM

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well...

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:28 AM

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I think the best strat for these seeds is to not take anything that manipulates the shop

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That way you can control it

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:29 AM

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the analyzer assumes you take every voucher

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:29 AM

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Isn't it the other way?

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Cuz you get the exact thing as the analyzer without getting any voucher

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:30 AM

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in the analyzer the BP is supposed to be the 6th item iirc

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so the extra items from the vouchers fill in the gaps

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so to speak

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@wet swift how did you manipulate the deck?

wet swift Apr 14, 2024, 8:36 AM

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I used seance to get red seal

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:36 AM

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to get the red seal did you use deja vu or a standard pack?

wet swift Apr 14, 2024, 8:36 AM

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on ante 2 you can get 2 red seal and ectoplasm

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from seance

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and if you can straight flush on ante 4 you can get cryptid

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so you can get all spectrals needed on ante 4

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:38 AM

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thanks

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:59 AM

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Sixth sense for ankh?

strong portal Apr 14, 2024, 9:01 AM

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This is all it gives me… wtf am I doing wrong??

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 9:11 AM

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Which ante are you on

strong portal Apr 14, 2024, 9:21 AM

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Ante 2 after I’ve taken the voucher to go back an ante

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Do I do it before the voucher?

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 9:21 AM

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I think you need to hit sixth sense again

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It's after that that you get ankh

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So basically next round

strong portal Apr 14, 2024, 9:34 AM

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That worked thanks

blazing ledge Apr 14, 2024, 1:44 PM

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am i missing something? im not seeing a seance in ante 2 for this?

round bough Apr 14, 2024, 1:47 PM

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iirc you are supposed to find sixth sense, not seance

blazing ledge Apr 14, 2024, 1:49 PM

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oh weird the stuff earlier this morning was saying seance.
its my first time playing thru the seed. thx

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 1:49 PM

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the seance is deeper into ante 2

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the analysis at the top doesn't show it

round bough Apr 14, 2024, 1:50 PM

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ah mb then

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 1:50 PM

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it's number 21 in shop

round bough Apr 14, 2024, 1:50 PM

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I havent rlly been paying attention to the "how" more of the "what"

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 1:51 PM

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understandable

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 1:56 PM

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@wet swift btw I'm looking for a number for a reference, how much money were you making per round by copying the rebate and using all your discards?

wet swift Apr 14, 2024, 1:57 PM

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90 per discard, 105 after got another bp

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 1:58 PM

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90 per 1 activation of rebate right?

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Like since you can get 5 copies I wanna understand the math

wet swift Apr 14, 2024, 1:59 PM

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90 per 1 discard after deck manipulation

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 1:59 PM

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And did you have the 2 discard vouchers or only 1?

wet swift Apr 14, 2024, 1:59 PM

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none of them

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until later antes

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 2:00 PM

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Nvm 90 is probably all the rebates

wet swift Apr 14, 2024, 2:00 PM

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on ante 16 or smth

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 2:00 PM

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I forgot normal rebate is 15 per 5 card discard

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Wait how 90 if rebate only gives 15 per discard

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Oh 6 activations

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My math didn't math

blazing ledge Apr 14, 2024, 2:23 PM

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fading crane it's number 21 in shop

if we are going to number 21 in shop, how is enough money for perkeo ?

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 2:24 PM

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because of heiroglyoh and petroglyph there are extra rounds in ante 2

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and extra free rolls of the shop

blazing ledge Apr 14, 2024, 2:29 PM

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oh i was skipping those vouchers

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i thought if i use those it sends me back to ante 1 shops? i just saving lots of cash i guess

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 2:31 PM

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it sends you to the previous ante, so if you take the one on ante 3, it will put you in ante 2 shop

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there isn't one right way of running the seed, that just worked for me

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 2:37 PM

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Honestly I think merry Andy might be crazy for eco if I'm going with rebate

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6 base discards and +2 possible with vouchers

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 2:38 PM

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yeah

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but mail is enough by itself

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no point taking up a slot

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 2:38 PM

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But why have enough when you can have more

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Just keep it until you know you got a blueprint in your ante

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We have analyzer so we can know

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 2:39 PM

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i guess

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 2:40 PM

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I mean more money is just more rerolls so I can set the analyzer and searcher deeper

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So we can locate more jokers and more natural negative copy cards

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 2:40 PM

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fair

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 2:41 PM

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But I'll have to somewhat math it to see how far I can go

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Can't go too far since you don't wanna end the round with 0 dollars

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Maybe we can even find a negative merry Andy to go along with the rebate

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The sky is the limit

blazing ledge Apr 14, 2024, 5:20 PM

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fading crane there isn't one right way of running the seed, that just worked for me

did you find cryptid somewhere in this method?

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 5:21 PM

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I did the e140000 score with only sixth sense

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but you can get all the spectral cards faster with seance so i am redoing it with that instead

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 5:22 PM

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blazing ledge did you find cryptid somewhere in this method?

so yes?

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 5:22 PM

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Wait you're trying to improve again?

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Above the 164k one?

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 5:22 PM

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yes

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 5:22 PM

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Jesus

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200k?

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 5:22 PM

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hopefully

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 5:23 PM

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Eh you got rebate this time

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 5:23 PM

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yes

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its crazy

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 5:23 PM

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Letsgo

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I know

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I wonder if you can stall until ante 39

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 5:25 PM

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definitely

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 5:25 PM

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Exciting

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 5:26 PM

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Btw math can you get us a more exact number on the 164k run?

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This one

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 5:26 PM

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Ok

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With 67 mimes, 98 steel, and 66 barons, and 835*328 from the played king, I got:
1.116e159599

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also funny that they're all negative

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 5:31 PM

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its 135 not 133 btw

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 5:31 PM

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I think we all made the mistake before with calcs that the played steel was also scored as held in hand

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ah

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 5:32 PM

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It should be 68 baron 67 mime

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 5:32 PM

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then it's 2.821e164327

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(e1000000 when?)

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 5:33 PM

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potential god seed for high score runs (US5IN3) 2.821e164327 seed

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Letsgo

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 5:33 PM

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nice

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 5:33 PM

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Gotta make sure to use accurate clickbait

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 5:33 PM

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oh yeah does anyone have an established WR progression for high score

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from the first naneinf to now

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 5:34 PM

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Probably inf 4k 36 70 120 (I think) 144 and now 164

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 5:35 PM

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most of those are mine lmao

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 5:35 PM

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you were the first to get naneinf right?

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 5:36 PM

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yes

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day 2 of balatro full release

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that was fun

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 5:36 PM

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https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1203578282709094491
this thread is so buried lol

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 5:37 PM

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oh yeah

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 5:37 PM

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Every thread ends up getting buried by either random talk or just time

safe nymph Apr 14, 2024, 5:42 PM

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normal tundra Every thread ends up getting buried by either random talk or just time

cough any thread im apart of

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 5:43 PM

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Kek

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 6:04 PM

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this is the progression afaik

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updated the math for all these so they should be correct

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 6:04 PM

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wow thanks

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 6:05 PM

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with a seed that gives 2.5 times as many spectrals, 1M is doable

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and given that this was a search through <3% of the seed pool with an unoptimal set of filters, I could see that being possible

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 6:06 PM

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enough natural negatives and it is do-able

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yeah

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 6:06 PM

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we can search so much deeper even pre-ante 8 because of hiero/petro and mail-in strats

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the best scoring system would be something like this

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giving earlier negatives more weight while also not throwing away later negatives

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and as for how deep we can go each ante, how many rerolls were you able to do per round by ante roughly?

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 6:09 PM

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Btw math

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I have a math thought request for you

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 6:09 PM

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🤔

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 6:10 PM

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analog epoch and as for how deep we can go each ante, how many rerolls were you able to do pe...

hard to know

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with mail it is maybe 20-30?

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 6:10 PM

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yWvpeomVniwm6KmYUJJwobUqGs0fAe90TtOVj6er_Yg/edit#gid=0
here is the link btw

Google Docs

Balatro WR Progression

High Score

Date,Score,Player,Calculations - https://www.desmos.com/calculator/15siapduw4
2/21/2024,1.063e545,Trousers
2/25/2024,

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 6:10 PM

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but it has to be set up

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and the time it takes can vary

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 6:11 PM

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additionally, you can reroll more or less to save for when things appear

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 6:11 PM

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analog epoch additionally, you can reroll more or less to save for when things appear

that too ofc

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 6:11 PM

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like if nothing is good in ante 18-20 but there's three good negatives ante 21, then we buy nothing

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 6:11 PM

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Since getting a negative card requires more spectrals compared to a Cryptid, whats the optimal ratio between ankh ecto and Cryptids? Since for example having 20 negative cards and 20 kings requires more spectrals than 10 negative card 40 kings

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Idk if I worded it well

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 6:12 PM

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it depends on the number of mimes barons and regular hand size

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 6:12 PM

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Might just be a simple answer but I wanted to ask anyways

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 6:12 PM

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the key detail with that is every Cryptid gives 2 steel cards, every Ankh/Ecto effectively gives half a joker

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 6:12 PM

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~30% by my calculations

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should be cryptid

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 6:18 PM

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asumming 4 steel held in hand, the calculator predicts 33.66% Cryptid with 200 spectrals

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that number lowers with the number of spectrals though

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 6:18 PM

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beat me to it

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 6:18 PM

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with 500 spectrals, 100 cryptids is optimal (20%)

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that means you have 200 jokers and 204 steels played

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 6:19 PM

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did you account for the number of mimes and barons already present?

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 6:19 PM

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no

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let me add like +5 for each

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doesn't change much interestingly

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let's see what it says for a target score of e200k

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oh wait I was being dumb with my regression

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the max ends up convering to exactly 1/3 in the long run

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meaning an even split is the best

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but that's for extremely large numbers

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this is what it predicts for 1M

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you'd need about 500 spectrals held

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so about double of what you have now

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https://www.desmos.com/calculator/x9jiouz6an
here's a graph with all this if you want to play around

Desmos

High Score WR Calculator

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:11 PM

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this isn't optimised

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but i'm not doing any more today

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normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:12 PM

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How the fuck did we jump to 329 kings lmao

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:13 PM

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i focused more on cryptid

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 8:13 PM

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Ante 39

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:13 PM

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i started duping earlier

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:13 PM

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analog epoch Ante 39

^

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:13 PM

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Math you already know what I need you to do

round bough Apr 14, 2024, 8:13 PM

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to much math

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no

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:14 PM

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It's ok to ask math to math

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It's what he does

round bough Apr 14, 2024, 8:14 PM

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actually true

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also lvl 169 high card

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1nice

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 8:15 PM

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9.439e415861

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wtf

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:15 PM

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woah

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:15 PM

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I guess it makes sense when you have triple the kings

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 8:15 PM

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normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:15 PM

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potential god seed for high score runs (US5IN3) 9.439e415861 seed

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Also he said this isn't optimized

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:16 PM

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wait

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:16 PM

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This man is starting to scare me

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:16 PM

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analog epoch

this isn't adding 2 baron and 1 mime

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 8:16 PM

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59+58=117?

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unless you can hit 120

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:16 PM

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steel red seal...

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:17 PM

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I think that's already calculated

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 8:17 PM

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oh I see what you mean

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yeah already accounted for in L(x)

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:17 PM

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ah

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mb

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:18 PM

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How did we jump past 200 300 and 400k to 415k lmao

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Istg either he is gonna get 500k next or 1m

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No in between

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How far can this be pushed

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:19 PM

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my guess is ~600k

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:20 PM

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Btw trousers I'm guessing it's a bit too late for this run but next time can you take a screenshot of how many spectral cards you have before you use them?

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:20 PM

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ofc

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:20 PM

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I wanna run that number through what math made

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:21 PM

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i can get more btw

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:21 PM

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Wait you actually had a screenshot

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:21 PM

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probably 20 or so when optimised

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:21 PM

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kinggoat

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That's 394 right?

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:22 PM

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yes

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hard to read lol

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 8:22 PM

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the shadows broke it

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we need a ShadowBulb to see it

round bough Apr 14, 2024, 8:23 PM

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true

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actually thats not how shadowbulbs work but ok

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:24 PM

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So optimal would be 490k but 415k is really close

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Btw math is there any way to make the amount needed dynamic? It's static and doesn't change when I input a number

analog epoch Apr 14, 2024, 8:26 PM

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Change A

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:28 PM

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I don't mean that, I mean the line that shows how many of each should be what within a

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Like 100 Cryptid 100 ankh and 100 ecto

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Nvm I got it

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I realized how to do it from what we see

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So if you had 394 spectrals the best way would be 128 ecto ankh combos and 138 Cryptids

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:39 PM

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I have extra cryptids which I can use to play more rounds and shift the distribution to ankh/ecto

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That's the plan for optimising btw

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:39 PM

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Yeah I get that

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Now it's becoming a balancing game also

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:39 PM

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And I had extra ankhs which I will try to even out

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:40 PM

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This is like the advanced level of what we originally had with people not realizing you need to balance baron and mime

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Or idol and buskin xd

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Now we are balancing spectral cards

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Btw this made me realize math might have not been wrong about e1m being possible

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I doubted it since we weren't even at 170k before

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But this jump was crazy

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:44 PM

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Yeah

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I did not expect 400k

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 8:45 PM

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Makes me even more hyped for the optimized search

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1m might be in sight

safe nymph Apr 14, 2024, 8:55 PM

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trousers what the fuck

fading crane Apr 14, 2024, 8:59 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

normal tundra Apr 14, 2024, 9:01 PM

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Lmao

feral solstice Apr 15, 2024, 1:37 AM

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I wanna try this seed but idk how to access the basic guide

wet swift Apr 15, 2024, 1:28 PM

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I might be able to reach 500 spectrals 👀

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The game is lagging because of my 400 ish spectrals lol

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e130 without any cryptid

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The game runs like 2x slower by lag uhhh

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 1:41 PM

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Yeah i imagine 400 spectral cards isn't fun for the game

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Do you skip for serpent at this point or not?

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Cuz I believe at some point the best way to continue surviving is just insta skip to serpent and waste some Cryptids to get a better balance

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Jeno just been keeping on the down low but he about to just pull a run that's gonna be like 600k or something

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I mean if you get 508 and the optimal amount I think math said it can be 1m

analog epoch Apr 15, 2024, 1:53 PM

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You want just over 500 for the 10^1000000

wet swift Apr 15, 2024, 1:54 PM

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It is so hard to count what perkeo copied after 200~250 consumables, so it is not easy to optimize it

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The only hope is that perkeo copies them balancedly

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I may be able to hit e1m, idk for now

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 1:55 PM

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I think if you decompile the save there is probably a way to count them

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I did that as a test for when I had my modded run but that was for the jokers

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All you need is someone to do the counting once and after that just count whatever perkeo added and add it to the count

wet swift Apr 15, 2024, 2:21 PM

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oh anyways lol

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500 spectrals!!

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 2:29 PM

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What ante?

wet swift Apr 15, 2024, 2:30 PM

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32 rn

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 2:30 PM

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Oh so you still got room

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Nice

wet swift Apr 15, 2024, 2:30 PM

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e1m is definitely possible I think

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or idk

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 2:31 PM

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I mean as long as you don't lose too many Cryptids you can easily do it at this rate

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How many Cryptids are you using rn?

wet swift Apr 15, 2024, 2:31 PM

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I still only need 2 cryptids to win

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 2:31 PM

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Oh that's crazy lmao

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Then defo

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What's your spectral ratio looking like? 33% for each?

wet swift Apr 15, 2024, 2:33 PM

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Haven't counted since 250 spectrals, but I think it is 33% equal now

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 2:34 PM

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I would help but I ain't home rn

wet swift Apr 15, 2024, 2:41 PM

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LMAO

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I don't think I have enough time for me today, unfortunately you have to wait for tomorrow

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 2:50 PM

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If you finished running it for today just send me the save file, I'll decompile it and I'll be able to count how much you got of each spectral

analog epoch Apr 15, 2024, 3:00 PM

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e1M is happening

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 3:03 PM

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If 1m is gonna happen with this seed, how much will we get with a more optimized one?

analog epoch Apr 15, 2024, 3:03 PM

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5M?

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 3:03 PM

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Ain't no way

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I refuse to believe 5m could be a thing

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At this point I'm starting to worry better seeds will just crash pcs

wet swift Apr 15, 2024, 3:04 PM

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Mine was fairly optimized already, I think the limit is ~e2mil

analog epoch Apr 15, 2024, 3:05 PM

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I could see 3-5M being viable on a stronger seed

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 3:06 PM

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Btw math could seperating natural negative copy cards to pre endless and endless actually be added to the searcher as two seperate results? Idk how the code works

analog epoch Apr 15, 2024, 3:07 PM

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Ideally you’d just want to give more weight the earlier they are

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 3:07 PM

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We can do both

analog epoch Apr 15, 2024, 3:08 PM

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That pretty much does both

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 3:08 PM

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But in any case can that seperation even be done?

analog epoch Apr 15, 2024, 3:08 PM

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And also takes into account that ante 9 is better than ante 39

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 3:08 PM

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True

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It's just the seeds can have so much money so we can roll much deeper each ante

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Instead of like 100 cards we can do 300 or 500 idk

analog epoch Apr 15, 2024, 3:09 PM

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I can also change the number of cards per ante it rolls

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 3:10 PM

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Like it'll depend on the amount of money they can make with rebate I think

analog epoch Apr 15, 2024, 3:10 PM

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I kinda just made up numbers before

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 3:10 PM

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So like if you get 500 per round that would be the amount

analog epoch Apr 15, 2024, 3:10 PM

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Let’s say 20 rerolls per round, that’s already 240 per ante

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 3:10 PM

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But idk how many cards that would mean since reroll prices increase

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I think we can go much higher since rebate can generate massive amounts of money per round

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Here we had like 7 copy card so 8 rebates

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That's 15 x 8 x 3

analog epoch Apr 15, 2024, 3:11 PM

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$360/round

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 3:11 PM

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Yeah so 1k per ante

analog epoch Apr 15, 2024, 3:11 PM

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You can probably reach like $750 with merry Andy

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 3:12 PM

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Merry Andy is also gonna be good here

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I agree

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If you have a max discard setup that's 8 discards

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Almost 3k per ante

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It should take a little while to get to that number and the filter should work around that but the math still stands

analog epoch Apr 15, 2024, 3:13 PM

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Also want to get my seed analyzer developed more so it can be used to find natural negatives

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 3:14 PM

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Right now I'm waiting for the stable release of 1.0.1 so we got time

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Also doesn't the analyzer already find natural negatives?

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Or do you mean specifically them

analog epoch Apr 15, 2024, 3:37 PM

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I mean like making it easier

fading crane Apr 15, 2024, 3:45 PM

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@wet swift how many ectos did you use?

wet swift Apr 15, 2024, 3:46 PM

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I used 3rd ecto after I was ready to put dna

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1st one on end of ante 2, and 2nd after ante 4

fading crane Apr 15, 2024, 3:48 PM

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Interesting

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Ty

wet swift Apr 15, 2024, 3:50 PM

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btw, I recorded my route but it is on PC that I don't have access rn

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wait for tomorrow and I will try send it

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 4:00 PM

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@analog epoch he already has enough for 1m in his seed

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He has 180 of everything and he can keep going

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How much would be needed for 2m

fading crane Apr 15, 2024, 4:11 PM

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@wet swift also, what was your strategy for balancing the spectrals?

wet swift Apr 15, 2024, 4:12 PM

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you can savescum to find what is the best way to copy spectrals

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yep, I savescummed

fading crane Apr 15, 2024, 4:12 PM

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Yeah ok

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We did the same thing

wet swift Apr 15, 2024, 4:13 PM

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oh lol

fading crane Apr 15, 2024, 4:13 PM

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I thought you may have had some other method

wet swift Apr 15, 2024, 4:13 PM

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try selling one (or more) spectral you dont want to have too much

fading crane Apr 15, 2024, 4:14 PM

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Did you start duping ankh and ecto before getting cryptid?

wet swift Apr 15, 2024, 4:14 PM

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with my route, you can start copying spectrals by end of ante 4

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I had a lot of temperance tho

fading crane Apr 15, 2024, 4:15 PM

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For rerolls before getting mail

wet swift Apr 15, 2024, 4:15 PM

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you will see it how I did it eventually

normal tundra Apr 15, 2024, 4:30 PM

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Did you record the entire run?

wet swift Apr 16, 2024, 9:05 AM

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@fading crane https://youtu.be/R8AknPm4Mxs

wet swift Apr 16, 2024, 10:18 AM

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man what

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btw I got 600 spectrals

analog epoch Apr 16, 2024, 10:26 AM

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nice

round bough Apr 16, 2024, 10:39 AM

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Lol nice

normal tundra Apr 16, 2024, 10:41 AM

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Is it private for anyone else?

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Btw that's the 4th soul this seed

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Imagine if it's perkeo again

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Did you check every pack in every ante or not? I wonder if there's another soul

wet swift Apr 16, 2024, 11:01 AM

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ITS FINALLY DONE

normal tundra Apr 16, 2024, 11:01 AM

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What's the number of jokers the shadow hide it

wet swift Apr 16, 2024, 11:03 AM

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216

normal tundra Apr 16, 2024, 11:04 AM

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Ok

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About 1.6m

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Idk too exact but somewhere around that

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Also 6 ankhs left is crazy optimized lmao

wet swift Apr 16, 2024, 11:06 AM

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it is 8 lol

normal tundra Apr 16, 2024, 11:07 AM

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Still crazy

wet swift Apr 16, 2024, 11:07 AM

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From my calculation the score is 2.025e1663745

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crazy

normal tundra Apr 16, 2024, 11:08 AM

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potential god seed for high score runs (US5IN3) 2.025e1663745 seed

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Final clickbait is done

wet swift Apr 16, 2024, 11:10 AM

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btw, if you get burglar and copy with bp, you can play 17 more hands to draw 34 more cards

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latest one without eternal I saw was on ante 35 or 36

normal tundra Apr 16, 2024, 11:10 AM

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You could also use dna

wet swift Apr 16, 2024, 11:11 AM

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I used dna, but you can add burglar to draw more cards on serpent

normal tundra Apr 16, 2024, 11:11 AM

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Ah so this was with dna

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Maybe for next seed burglar will find its way in

wet swift Apr 16, 2024, 11:13 AM

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e1.8m if I got burglar tho

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significant difference

normal tundra Apr 16, 2024, 11:13 AM

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~~run it back?~~

wet swift Apr 16, 2024, 11:14 AM

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:skull

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~~although I have save from ante 35 I dont feel like doing it bc of the waiting simulator~~

normal tundra Apr 16, 2024, 11:15 AM

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Do you have the x16 speed mod? That might help

wet swift Apr 16, 2024, 11:18 AM

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hmm

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nope

analog epoch Apr 16, 2024, 11:30 AM

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wet swift ITS FINALLY DONE

Congrats!

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I got 4.380e1659513 when I did the math

normal tundra Apr 16, 2024, 11:39 AM

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He probably calculated the extra king that gets played

wet swift Apr 16, 2024, 11:40 AM

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normal tundra He probably calculated the extra king that gets played

Yep, I forgot to consider the playing card xd

normal tundra Apr 16, 2024, 11:41 AM

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potential god seed for high score runs (US5IN3) 4.380e1659513 seed

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There now it's fixed

magic hull Apr 16, 2024, 1:30 PM

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wow, this was a really fun one. Thanks for the post and all the work analyzing. Did not get quite so high as you all, but best score I have ever gotten.

normal tundra Apr 16, 2024, 1:40 PM

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What was your score

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Post it we wanna see

fading crane Apr 16, 2024, 2:16 PM

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Wow congrats! @wet swift

deep rain Apr 16, 2024, 6:44 PM

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what deck and steps did you take to get started on this op seed

mint cave Apr 16, 2024, 7:49 PM

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How do you guys balance the spectrals. In my run, suddenly 1 spectral gets many copies 1 turn then it starts dominating

magic hull Apr 17, 2024, 12:11 AM

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normal tundra What was your score

I didn't screen cap it. But it was e135 or something in that range. I am still trying to wrap my brain around how you all turned on the exponential growth beyond there. I am not quite getting the how to go beyond like 10 or 11 jokers. Also, is the way to get that high based in using a ton of cryptids? Or can you build that large of a score just with jokers and the observatory?

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Oh and I did not get how mail in rebate was great for money... then I got it...

analog epoch Apr 17, 2024, 12:12 AM

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Cryptid + Ankh/Ectoplasm for the final hand

magic hull Apr 17, 2024, 12:15 AM

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ah, ok... yeah... so just for the final hand. That makes sense. Curious on what is the non cryptid high score. Was my e135 any good?

round bough Apr 17, 2024, 12:17 AM

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I dont think many people are doing non-cryptid

magic hull Apr 17, 2024, 12:20 AM

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yeah, makes sense as it is such a major boost in one shot. Thanks!

round bough Apr 17, 2024, 12:23 AM

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np

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Ik Adam is trying to get as far as possible without Perkeo seedless

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and without glitches and such

magic hull Apr 17, 2024, 12:34 AM

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Curious, I looked at both text files and they are super helpful. But I did not see this layout. I.e. A = number of natural negatives, B = Blueprint + Brainstorm jokers, etc. Did I miss it somewhere?

normal tundra Apr 17, 2024, 3:24 AM

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magic hull Curious, I looked at both text files and they are super helpful. But I did not s...

Wdym did I miss it you quoted the message, am I missing something?

magic hull Apr 17, 2024, 4:21 AM

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Ah, I get it now. The format of the file name. Was looking for characters in the file, not the name of the file. Just catching up on all this stuff.

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Also, tried the deck a few more times tonight. last run forgot to get the cryptid via sixth sense and could not proc it later on. Also, made the error of using wheel of fortune on my jokers... did not think through that it would mess up my ectoplasm... Lost to learn.

prime arrow Apr 17, 2024, 6:53 PM

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1

misty surge Apr 17, 2024, 11:46 PM

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I have what I assume must be a stupid question about this. How do you avoid the ectoplasms giving you zero hand size?

analog epoch Apr 17, 2024, 11:55 PM

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If you do it during a round, you’ll still keep the held cards and won’t lose until you have 0 cards left in your held hand at some point

safe nymph Apr 18, 2024, 12:22 AM

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bruh now i really want to run one of thsese seeds

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but im actually ass when it comes to routing like this

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not even baron spam, i mean fish spam

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i really want to hit a fish naneinf before hc haneinf

analog epoch Apr 18, 2024, 12:24 AM

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Glass strats are much harder to naneinf with

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Because hand size manipulation exists

round bough Apr 18, 2024, 12:24 AM

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true

safe nymph Apr 18, 2024, 12:26 AM

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analog epoch Glass strats are much harder to naneinf with

thats why i kind awant to hit it

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also its been done seeded

magic hull Apr 18, 2024, 4:24 PM

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thoughts at to why ceremonial daggar would proc in ante 4 instead of eternal mime? It has happened a couple times to me and really kills the run. I am sure it has to do with previous choices, but most everything maps out to your text file accurately, but this does not.

normal tundra Apr 18, 2024, 4:28 PM

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yeah there are errors in the seed searcher, its due to the fact the seed searcher and analyzer both use the gpu and the rounding between lua and opencl is different so sometimes you get different results

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but theres an eternal mime in ante 12 somewhere

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@analog epoch did i get it right?

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i think i did

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~~im slowly learning~~

magic hull Apr 18, 2024, 4:37 PM

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that is helpful. I wonder if there is another eternal blueprint out there somewhere. I am having a rough time rerolling to get it in ante 4

strong portal Apr 18, 2024, 4:37 PM

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magic hull that is helpful. I wonder if there is another eternal blueprint out there somewh...

Yeah I never was Abel to find it, I gave up and just skipped it and chose a different route

magic hull Apr 18, 2024, 4:39 PM

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thanks! Yeah, I got to the 94th joker in the list with a lot of duped temperance(s). But rerolls just got too expensive.

normal tundra Apr 18, 2024, 4:44 PM

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btw just a guess but did you spread your rerolls across all 3 rounds?

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you dont neeed to get all the rerolls in 1 round

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shops are ante based

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antes are 3 rounds

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you can reset your shop prices basically twice

fading crane Apr 18, 2024, 4:45 PM

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@normal tundra can you do an analysis up to ante 39?

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my drivers timeout when i try

normal tundra Apr 18, 2024, 4:46 PM

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i mean i could but i dont think its worth it for this seed anymore, i plan on doing an extensive analysis and a better seed when 1.0.1 drops to stable

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idk when it goes to stable but i think its just better to wait for the new version so then we arent limited by time

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@fading crane do you still want an analysis or wait for the better seed? i personally think it would be more worth it to wait

fading crane Apr 18, 2024, 4:52 PM

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I would like an analysis please

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I have a run going, so no reason not to try and get the max out of it

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also even if the update came out tomorrow, it would take a few days to find a seed to run

normal tundra Apr 18, 2024, 4:54 PM

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not really tbh, all the seeds were basically found in 1 overnight search (by 2 people but yeah)

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but ill work on the filter

fading crane Apr 18, 2024, 4:55 PM

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well still

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I'd like to maximise my run

normal tundra Apr 18, 2024, 4:56 PM

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ill do it for ante 38 since you cant buy in ante 39

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and i made it for 300 shop slots

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should it be more or less?

fading crane Apr 18, 2024, 4:57 PM

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maybe 400

normal tundra Apr 18, 2024, 4:57 PM

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how many rerolls did you do in your run?

magic hull Apr 18, 2024, 4:58 PM

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normal tundra btw just a guess but did you spread your rerolls across all 3 rounds?

Yeah, spread it out maxing out at $20 reroll in the first two shops, then up to $25 in the third

fading crane Apr 18, 2024, 4:58 PM

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not sure but I had like 10k so money isn't an issue

normal tundra Apr 18, 2024, 4:58 PM

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i mean i just think about like 400 means 100 rerolls at the least

fading crane Apr 18, 2024, 4:58 PM

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which is like ~5000

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so if there is a good card i can blow the money

magic hull Apr 18, 2024, 4:59 PM

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BTW, thanks for all this research! I had burned out on this game and this stuff really got me into it again!

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I am still shocked that I have more time in this game than I do in BG3.

analog epoch Apr 18, 2024, 5:03 PM

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normal tundra <@668187864424775686> did i get it right?

Yes

normal tundra Apr 18, 2024, 5:05 PM

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btw if im running a really long analyzer, would it make sense to not cap my g value to 1?

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like im gonna run basically all antes for 400 cards after ante 8

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should i use the 256 i use or keep it at 1?

analog epoch Apr 18, 2024, 5:07 PM

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-g is how many threads are running in parallel

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But each seed only uses one theead

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So -g 1 is good for less memory usage

normal tundra Apr 18, 2024, 5:07 PM

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so it wouldnt matter anyways

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well i hope it wont take me years but owell

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well turns out going for 32gb of ram might not have been a bad idea

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and an nvidia gpu considering i did want to go for an amd one

mint cave Apr 18, 2024, 5:23 PM

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Got the Stencil Naneinf.
TYSM for the seed

analog epoch Apr 18, 2024, 5:28 PM

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mint cave Got the Stencil Naneinf. TYSM for the seed

shortest naneinf animation ever

normal tundra Apr 18, 2024, 5:41 PM

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I wonder how short it can be with baron mime

mint cave Apr 18, 2024, 5:41 PM

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Yeah, it will be really helpful in completing all the antes in shortest time possible. If there is a way to continue the run. Getting a paint brush/palette doesn't help, will a certificate work?

normal tundra Apr 18, 2024, 5:41 PM

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Math what would be the best balance for inf using the 3 spectral strat?

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Using the least spectrals

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Cuz I think it would be more efficient than pure Cryptid?

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Maybe idk

magic hull Apr 18, 2024, 5:49 PM

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mint cave Got the Stencil Naneinf. TYSM for the seed

great one! Love it

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btw, is a mod needed to get some of these crazy high scores I am seeing. I.e. the 4.380e1659513? If so, I should get it before I keep trying to optimize this run

normal tundra Apr 18, 2024, 6:00 PM

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You don't see it in the game, we just know how to calculate the theoritcal score

magic hull Apr 18, 2024, 6:02 PM

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gotcha. So what should I write down or screen cap to do that calc?

mint cave Apr 18, 2024, 6:04 PM

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The number of your kings, the number of mimes and number of Barons, including copies

normal tundra Apr 18, 2024, 6:06 PM

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Yeah just baron mime and the amount of kings

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And the Level of your high card

normal tundra Apr 18, 2024, 7:21 PM

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wow its been over 2.5 hours and it still hasnt finished the search jesus

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and if the analyzer is correct, you could possibly get negative burglar for more hands for serpent if you can get 2 negative tags and then skip for the negative tag first skip in ante 12

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also negative skip for brainstorm in ante 28

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after 3 tarots you should see brainstorm assuming its correct

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and natural eternal negative mime in ante 31

fading crane Apr 18, 2024, 7:28 PM

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normal tundra also negative skip for brainstorm in ante 28

negative skip is second

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so it works on the ante 29 shop

normal tundra Apr 18, 2024, 7:28 PM

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wouldnt it be on the ante 28 boss blind shop?

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or does it go up as soon as you beat the boss blind

fading crane Apr 18, 2024, 7:29 PM

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normal tundra or does it go up as soon as you beat the boss blind

^

normal tundra Apr 18, 2024, 7:29 PM

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ah

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rip

fading crane Apr 18, 2024, 7:31 PM

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normal tundra and natural eternal negative mime in ante 31

big

magic hull Apr 18, 2024, 9:19 PM

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curious on the balance you are looking for between ankh, ecto, and cryptid when you launch that final hand. I think I see the alternating between ankh and ecto to multiply jokers. Just curious what yields a higher score?

analog epoch Apr 18, 2024, 9:46 PM

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you want about 1/3 of each spectral

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slightly more cryptid

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earlier you want even more since you will have to use more cryptid to survive the higher antes

safe nymph Apr 19, 2024, 1:43 AM

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mor ecryptid means more crytipid late game bc its bloated cryptids though 😭

analog epoch Apr 19, 2024, 1:45 AM

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You have to balance it so that it becomes 1/3 in the end

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But if you’re using 3 Cryptids per round to win then you need a bit more to offset that loss

safe nymph Apr 19, 2024, 1:47 AM

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yeah but its kinda rng whether or not you get the even split

magic hull Apr 19, 2024, 3:49 AM

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normal tundra and natural eternal negative mime in ante 31

I got an eternal mime in ante 18, just FYI

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and an infinite brainstorm in ante 19

normal tundra Apr 19, 2024, 6:25 AM

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Btw I wasn't able to get the analyzer past ante 32, any idea why? @analog epoch

normal tundra Apr 19, 2024, 6:42 AM

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Also I want to try and find a seed for the quickest inf animation, somewhat like what the stencil did

normal tundra Apr 19, 2024, 9:02 AM

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I mean now that I think about it baron mime probably isn't faster

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in any way this is what i was able to analyze, i removed all the times retry showed up since it doesnt really mean anything

📎 US5IN3_longV2.txt

analog epoch Apr 19, 2024, 10:22 AM

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normal tundra Btw I wasn't able to get the analyzer past ante 32, any idea why? <@668187864424...

Try increasing CACHE_SIZE on line 1 to 1500

wet swift Apr 19, 2024, 10:39 AM

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this is something...

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If you modify spawn order by having a copy or a joker or not unlocking the joker, it may be possible to get negative brainstorm

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but you still gotta need like $1000 for that many reroll w/o related voucher tho

analog epoch Apr 19, 2024, 10:48 AM

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You’d need Brainstorm to be first in the rare reroll queue @wet swift

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It being the next normal rare joker doesn’t rly matter

wet swift Apr 19, 2024, 10:49 AM

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oh thats how it works?

analog epoch Apr 19, 2024, 10:49 AM

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Reroll queues are how you manipulate spawns

wet swift Apr 19, 2024, 10:52 AM

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I dunno but there is invisible joker on queue

normal tundra Apr 19, 2024, 11:35 AM

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eternal negative invis joker imagine xd

normal tundra Apr 19, 2024, 1:08 PM

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analog epoch Try increasing CACHE_SIZE on line 1 to 1500

btw that ended up being the same so idk, i cba running it again so ante 32 is enough

analog epoch Apr 19, 2024, 1:38 PM

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yeah idk then

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online analyzer should fix that balatrojoker

normal tundra Apr 19, 2024, 1:55 PM

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soontm

magic hull Apr 19, 2024, 2:17 PM

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What is the best ratio of Mimes to Barons?

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also, anybody have a google sheets calculator for this? I started doing it in excel, but figured somebody had already done it somewhere?

normal tundra Apr 19, 2024, 2:27 PM

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https://efhiii.github.io/balatro-calculator/?

Balatro Calculator

Calculate the score of any Balatro hand

normal tundra Apr 19, 2024, 2:27 PM

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magic hull What is the best ratio of Mimes to Barons?

equal if you have an even amount of them, +1 to barons if you have an odd amount of them

magic hull Apr 19, 2024, 6:54 PM

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Thanks all for the help! I go my first NaNeInfininity. I launched the hand on my SteamDeck and it has been 10 minutes and I am only on card 9 or 10! So yeah, it is a lot for that device to handle. I did the calc and with 17 Mimes and 17 Barons and 58 kings in hand and level 113 high card I would have hit 8.9146e6868. A long way to go to hit the potential of this seed for sure, but felt really good!

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I only got to Ante 27 because I did not hit a great ratio of Ankh/Ecto/Cryptids, my cryptids kept falling behind to the point that I had to sell off Ankh and Ectos, which hurt me.

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And I chose to use an Ecto in an earlier ante which felt good at the time to get me another infinite brainstorm. maybe should have passed on it to retain that one card slot, not sure.

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Final laughable point. If I let this thing run fully through its animation it would take about 2.5 hours to finish at the rate it is going

normal tundra Apr 19, 2024, 7:04 PM

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yeah trying to run it is probably not a good idea

magic hull Apr 19, 2024, 7:04 PM

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satisfying though!

normal tundra Apr 19, 2024, 7:05 PM

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yeah but 1fps is less satisfying

magic hull Apr 19, 2024, 7:05 PM

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truth

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gonna play unseeded for a while now for a change of pace

magic hull Apr 19, 2024, 7:50 PM

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magic hull Final laughable point. If I let this thing run fully through its animation it wo...

Finished in 1 hour 7 minutes!

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 1:10 PM

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Got the No Perkeo Naneinf

normal tundra Apr 20, 2024, 1:14 PM

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the real question is can you pass ante 32 boss with this

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 1:21 PM

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Nope, not even ante 24

normal tundra Apr 20, 2024, 1:21 PM

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rip

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 1:25 PM

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Wait no

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Ante 32 is def possible

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With DNA

analog epoch Apr 20, 2024, 2:26 PM

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With reserved parking could you get enough money to roll serpent every time?

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 2:50 PM

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Yeah definately, if we can clear Ante 32 boss with DNA we would only need to reroll the bosses after it. 7 bosses with multiple copies of reserved parking and mime will be no issue

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Btw, can you calculate how much kings are required to clear ante 32 boss?

analog epoch Apr 20, 2024, 2:55 PM

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I feel like with serpent you can gain thousands per ante

analog epoch Apr 20, 2024, 2:56 PM

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mint cave Btw, can you calculate how much kings are required to clear ante 32 boss?

Depends on your jokers

normal tundra Apr 20, 2024, 2:57 PM

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i see 4 and 4 there

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burglar doesnt matter in the boss fight

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and all the other negatives arent really interesting

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whats the score needed for plasma violet vessel?

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ante 32

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 3:01 PM

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analog epoch I feel like with serpent you can gain thousands per ante

Ohh yes, then it would be worth it to reroll serpent every round

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 3:03 PM

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normal tundra i see 4 and 4 there

Yeah, I could also get negative mime in ante 18 and can still ectoplasm to get another negative. The hand size doesn't matter if we are using burglar+ serpent every round for money

normal tundra Apr 20, 2024, 3:05 PM

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if you remember the score needed for ante 32 boss i can find how many kings you would need

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 3:07 PM

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Yeah, I am searching for that only

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1.08e180

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 3:09 PM

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mint cave 1.08e180

Its on verdant leaf

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But violent vessel will also be e180 then

normal tundra Apr 20, 2024, 3:14 PM

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isnt just violet vessel double the score?

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so 2.06

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also what level was your high card

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 3:15 PM

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30

normal tundra Apr 20, 2024, 3:16 PM

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https://efhiii.github.io/balatro-calculator/?h=EADAGAMAQQwBgDABsEgAhqzVmrNWas1ZqzVmrNWas1ZqzVmrNWas1aAC8A

Balatro Calculator

Calculate the score of any Balatro hand

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should be around 18 kings in hand

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including the 1 you play

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 3:16 PM

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Ohh

normal tundra Apr 20, 2024, 3:17 PM

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might be possible with bean and dna

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 3:17 PM

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Yeah

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And also, I can't ectoplasm till ante 32

normal tundra Apr 20, 2024, 3:19 PM

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theres a turtle bean in ante 28

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and dna in ante 32

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if only the bean was later

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 3:20 PM

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Yeah

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 3:41 PM

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Without bean, this will be the way to make it work

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https://efhiii.github.io/balatro-calculator/?h=UADAGAMAYAghgDAGAMAGw8ACGrNWas1ZqzVmrNWas1bq3VurdW6tABeA

Balatro Calculator

Calculate the score of any Balatro hand

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I can get a negative mime in ante 18, there is also negative tags in ante 23, 28. I may be able to make it land on a useful joker

analog epoch Apr 20, 2024, 4:01 PM

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Yeah, the build you have now would win with serpent reroll strategies

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Just save your last hand for scoring and use the rest for money

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 5:36 PM

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Yeah, money wise I have no concerns, but beating ante 32 is

analog epoch Apr 20, 2024, 5:38 PM

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Ah, because it’s a final boss

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 5:59 PM

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Yup

fast thistle Apr 20, 2024, 7:02 PM

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anyone have good instructions to help get you through this seed somewhat?

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I read over the first post and tried it a few times but I'm guessing there is need for rerolls at certain points to make things appear at the right times, I'm not able to quite figure out how to analyze the order

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 7:05 PM

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I can't believe it

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I cleared the ante 32

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This seed is insanely lucky

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I am down on cash, I have to rerun it reach ante 39

fast thistle Apr 20, 2024, 7:08 PM

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mint cave I am down on cash, I have to rerun it reach ante 39

Do you have a guide/video to get to where you are?

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 7:12 PM

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Yeah, just a min

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This was the routing:
Ante 1
Shop 4 = Temperance
Ante 2
2nd Archana Pack – Perkeo
Shop 4 = Blueprint
Shop 8 = Sixth Sense
Shop 21 = Seance
Ante 3
Shop 15 =Baron
Shop 28 = Showman
Ante 4
Shop 58 = Negative Mail in Rebate
(Buffon Pack Brainstorm)
Ante 6
Shop 10 = Blueprint
Shop 57 = Blueprint
Ante 9
Shop 11 = Mime
Ante 14
Shop 20 = Invisible Joker
Ante 16
Buffon Pack = Invisible Joker
Ante 18 (Negative Tag)
Shop 113- Mime

fast thistle Apr 20, 2024, 7:13 PM

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cool thanks! let me try that

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 7:14 PM

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There are some things missing in this, I used this for the routing of eternal stencil, so all the other eternal jokers I have not taken

fast thistle Apr 20, 2024, 7:20 PM

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is there a way to easily keep track of shop number?

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 7:22 PM

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You just have to calculate how many rerolls are required for each item

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And divide your rerolls into 3 shops

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So, If you have to reach shop no. 90, for that you have to see 45 shops, out of them 3 you will see naturally, so you have to reroll 42 times, so reroll 14 times each round

fast thistle Apr 20, 2024, 7:25 PM

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ooo so the number you gave is "position" in the shop, I think I get it

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did you get the heiro right away? (if so are your antes based on after the heiro?)

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 7:28 PM

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Yeah

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No

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Get it at the 3rd rounf

fast thistle Apr 20, 2024, 7:35 PM

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i'm doing something wrong lol... second ante, didn't see blueprint in 2nd shop(?) and then 2nd pack didn't have Soul

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i'm Guessing I don't have to buy the first pack to make the 2nd pack have those things, do I?

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oh wait, is this supposed to be on experimental patch? that's what I'm on currently

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 8:03 PM

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Yes you have to buy both archanas to get perkeo

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and this seed is of normal game

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May have some changes when played with experimental

fast thistle Apr 20, 2024, 8:07 PM

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yup that is the issue i'm on experimental 🙂

normal tundra Apr 20, 2024, 8:43 PM

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mint cave

so now its confirmed ante 39 no perkeo is possible

fast thistle Apr 20, 2024, 8:57 PM

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for Sixth Sense i'm not getting those 3 spectrals... I got something useless, then ankh, then later familiar

normal tundra Apr 20, 2024, 9:08 PM

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You need to use it in different antes

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It's written in the first message in which ante you get what

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In the text called perkeo analyzer

fast thistle Apr 20, 2024, 9:09 PM

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oh ffs, i see it now >.<

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i need to write out what to do in each ante, stuff spread out is making be forget things lol

mint cave Apr 20, 2024, 9:14 PM

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normal tundra so now its confirmed ante 39 no perkeo is possible

Got it

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analog epoch Apr 20, 2024, 9:21 PM

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mint cave

Congrats!

fading crane Apr 20, 2024, 9:47 PM

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this took way too long

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just waiting for 1.0.1 now

analog epoch Apr 20, 2024, 11:12 PM

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New WR?

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3.587e2850329

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New WR!

wet swift Apr 21, 2024, 3:25 AM

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How many spectrals you had? 👀

normal tundra Apr 21, 2024, 4:57 AM

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What in the fuck

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potential god seed for high score runs (US5IN3) 3.587e2850329 seed

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Even more jokers and even more Cryptids this is truly crazy

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And poly cuz why not

topaz bough Apr 21, 2024, 5:15 AM

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fading crane this took way too long

Wtfff how do u get to that point

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Like how

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Wtf

normal tundra Apr 21, 2024, 5:17 AM

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The basic strat is to just load up on Cryptids from the start along with the ectoplasm and ankh and just survive until ante 39 while trying to equally balance all the spectrals

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That's the plan in this run

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Get as many spectrals as possible

topaz bough Apr 21, 2024, 5:18 AM

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I would love to do it in call with someone, i keep doing things wrong hahahahaha

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🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

normal tundra Apr 21, 2024, 5:18 AM

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Trial and error is the way

topaz bough Apr 21, 2024, 5:18 AM

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I know but its a bit frustrating sometimes

normal tundra Apr 21, 2024, 5:18 AM

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

topaz bough Apr 21, 2024, 5:19 AM

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What deck and version did u use? Hahaha

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Ill try it now

normal tundra Apr 21, 2024, 5:20 AM

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It's 1.0.0 on plasma deck

topaz bough Apr 21, 2024, 5:20 AM

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White difff?

normal tundra Apr 21, 2024, 5:20 AM

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Black stake

topaz bough Apr 21, 2024, 5:20 AM

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I got 1.0.1c Full

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How can i put 1.0.0?

normal tundra Apr 21, 2024, 5:21 AM

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Then you need to disable the experimental beta

topaz bough Apr 21, 2024, 5:21 AM

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Tnx bro

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Im going to try it

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Any tricks?

normal tundra Apr 21, 2024, 5:22 AM

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Just read the early messages I sent and have fun

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The first messages in this thread

topaz bough Apr 21, 2024, 5:24 AM

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u skip both first shops?

normal tundra Apr 21, 2024, 6:12 AM

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I don't think there's anything interesting in the skips so no

fading crane Apr 21, 2024, 6:30 AM

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wet swift How many spectrals you had? 👀

~700 I think

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I was also able to find a burglar on ante 38

wet swift Apr 21, 2024, 6:32 AM

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nice job 💯

fading crane Apr 21, 2024, 6:40 AM

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Thanks

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Balancing the cryptids ankhs and ectos is so tedious

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I wish there was a better way

normal tundra Apr 21, 2024, 7:32 AM

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yWvpeomVniwm6KmYUJJwobUqGs0fAe90TtOVj6er_Yg/edit?usp=drivesdk we need an update on this

Google Docs

Balatro WR Progression

High Score

Date,Score,Player,Calculations - https://www.desmos.com/calculator/15siapduw4
2/21/2024,1.063e545,Trousers
2/25/2024,

mint cave Apr 21, 2024, 7:39 AM

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analog epoch Congrats!

Thanks

normal tundra Apr 21, 2024, 9:21 AM

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fading crane this took way too long

@analog epoch if polychrome did count in hand, what would be the score assuming the mimes?

normal tundra Apr 21, 2024, 11:00 AM

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Also anyone gonna do the 3m?

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We need the 3m score

mint cave Apr 21, 2024, 11:38 AM

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Is the current Ante 7 Naneinf record performed on the Ghost Deck?

normal tundra Apr 21, 2024, 12:25 PM

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Yes it's on ghost deck

modern marten Apr 21, 2024, 1:31 PM

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how do you even calculate that

fading crane Apr 21, 2024, 1:35 PM

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normal tundra <@668187864424775686> if polychrome did count in hand, what would be the score a...

i believe it would be like having one more baron

mint cave Apr 21, 2024, 1:35 PM

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normal tundra Yes it's on ghost deck

Then there is a scope for it to be optimized on plasm

normal tundra Apr 21, 2024, 1:41 PM

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mint cave Then there is a scope for it to be optimized on plasm

Ye

normal tundra Apr 21, 2024, 1:42 PM

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fading crane i believe it would be like having one more baron

Oh yeah that makes sense

mint cave Apr 22, 2024, 2:49 PM

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Where is the cryptid in this seed?

normal tundra Apr 22, 2024, 3:23 PM

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It's written at the start of the thread

mint cave Apr 22, 2024, 3:35 PM

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Ya, but its 1000 messages and there is no easy way to move to top

normal tundra Apr 22, 2024, 3:36 PM

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There

mint cave Apr 22, 2024, 3:43 PM

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normal tundra There

Got it, thanks

mint cave Apr 22, 2024, 7:05 PM

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Got the ante 6 naneinf

normal tundra Apr 22, 2024, 7:38 PM

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Nice

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Did you use seance? I think you only get Cryptid from 6th sense on like ante 7

mint cave Apr 22, 2024, 8:08 PM

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Yeah, with seance you can get it in Ante 4 but you have to sacrifice a brainstorm

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Will try to make it work such that you get both, it may be possible to achieve Naneinf on Ante 5, but Ante 6 makes it considerably easier due to 2 blueprints in shop.

wet swift Apr 23, 2024, 7:09 AM

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wet swift <@560125726779637780> https://youtu.be/R8AknPm4Mxs

@mint cave You may want this, ante 4 straight flush with taking brainstorm

normal tundra Apr 23, 2024, 9:52 AM

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I think that video is private

wet swift Apr 23, 2024, 10:30 AM

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oh

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I fixed it I guess

normal tundra Apr 23, 2024, 11:05 AM

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i love how you took the second perkeo only for temperence xd

mint cave Apr 23, 2024, 11:19 AM

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wet swift <@571059642806042635> You may want this, ante 4 straight flush with taking brain...

Ohhh, thanks for this!

frank oasis Apr 23, 2024, 3:57 PM

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might need to cook on this

normal tundra Apr 23, 2024, 4:00 PM

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i mean if youre gonna play this the only correction ive seen so far is that eternal mime appears on ante 12 and not 4

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but i would love to see you play my seed

normal tundra Apr 23, 2024, 4:01 PM

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normal tundra i mean if youre gonna play this the only correction ive seen so far is that eter...

not that it really has much effect on the run since if you got the time on stream youd want to go to ante 39

normal tundra Apr 23, 2024, 9:20 PM

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@frank oasis there you go

safe nymph Apr 23, 2024, 9:55 PM

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ayo i kind of need the search analyzer

proper kernel Apr 24, 2024, 1:06 AM

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is this seed on the beta?

analog epoch Apr 24, 2024, 1:07 AM

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proper kernel is this seed on the beta?

nope

proper kernel Apr 24, 2024, 1:08 AM

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thanks!

analog epoch Apr 24, 2024, 5:51 AM

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https://mathisfun0.github.io/The-Soul/?ante=39&cardsPerAnte=15%2C60%2C75%2C100%2C150%2C200%2C250%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300%2C300&deck=Plasma+Deck&stake=Black+Stake&version=10014&seed=US5IN3

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here's an analysis of this seed

mint cave Apr 24, 2024, 8:57 AM

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Gave up on the Ante 5 Naneinf. If only this seed had eternal mime before Ante 5. Ectoplasm and Ankh can be obtained in Ante 2 itself. We can dupe them till Ante 5 and get like 20 jokers in the final round. 1 cryptid would've been enough.

normal tundra Apr 24, 2024, 9:00 AM

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Maybe I'll ask math for a earliest inf filter

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But it'll probably happen after 1.0.1

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I wonder if going pure Cryptid is better or doing the triple spectral strat

mint cave Apr 24, 2024, 9:09 AM

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With 20 jokers, 1 king was giving e46, i.e, e92 for 1 cryptid. This was the extreme case when we obtain cryptid much later, but if we can obtain all sprectrals in ante 1-2, then having 8-10 jokers with some cryptids would be enough.

strong portal Apr 24, 2024, 12:38 PM

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I could get Nan inf if they fix the PS5 version crashing when you have to big of a hand

magic hull Apr 25, 2024, 1:21 PM

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analog epoch https://mathisfun0.github.io/The-Soul/?ante=39&cardsPerAnte=15%2C60%2C75%2C100%2...

Amazing! I am shocked at how deep this rabbit hole can go!

normal tundra Apr 26, 2024, 2:06 PM

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@jaunty rune this is the seed i was talking about that i found and other players improved

jaunty rune Apr 26, 2024, 2:37 PM

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okay

warm obsidian Apr 26, 2024, 10:15 PM

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anyone know a basic strategy to set up the run?

mint cave Apr 27, 2024, 9:11 PM

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163 jokers

safe nymph Apr 27, 2024, 9:21 PM

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now sell showman

mint cave Apr 27, 2024, 9:35 PM

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Didn't use showman

normal tundra Apr 27, 2024, 9:39 PM

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What kind of jokers, all daggers?

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[1.0.0n] potential god seed for high score runs (US5IN3) 3.587e2850329 seed

mint cave Apr 27, 2024, 9:58 PM

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Shop jokers, got 157 ankhs , bought a diet cola, duped it with ankh , sell it , repeat till I have 157 double tags. Used those on a negative tag

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It has all the common jokers, so the game started giving me jimbo

safe nymph Apr 27, 2024, 9:59 PM

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ah

mint cave Apr 27, 2024, 9:59 PM

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30-40 of those are jimbos

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Couldn't collect all the uncommons or rares,

safe nymph Apr 27, 2024, 10:01 PM

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rip

mint cave Apr 27, 2024, 10:02 PM

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Yeah

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Will try to reroute the buying process

safe nymph Apr 27, 2024, 10:02 PM

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honestly i still don't know but like, how does riff-raff/top-up spawn there jokers

mint cave Apr 27, 2024, 10:02 PM

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Spent $1000 in a single shop

safe nymph Apr 27, 2024, 10:02 PM

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im assuming its similar to the rare cycle for wraith but

mint cave Apr 27, 2024, 10:03 PM

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Yeah, there should be some queue only

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Earlier, riff raff was giving me random jokers, after all the commons were bought, it gave me jimbos balatrojoker

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Didn't find gift card there, swashbuckler was at +500

normal tundra Apr 27, 2024, 10:23 PM

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mint cave Shop jokers, got 157 ankhs , bought a diet cola, duped it with ankh , sell it ,...

i wonder what you would have got if you had showman to begin with

leaden bobcat Apr 27, 2024, 10:30 PM

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mint cave Shop jokers, got 157 ankhs , bought a diet cola, duped it with ankh , sell it ,...

You can save some ankhs for a rare tag skip to guarantee a negative copy of every rare joker (The example wasn't done on this seed)
Note that the remaining negative tags get deleted once you reroll with a copy of each rare joker, even if you have a showman

Once you have each rare joker, you can then dupe wraiths instead of ankhs (assuming you can manage to get another perkeo)
Without showman, you can guarantee a brainstorm on every wraith by owning a copy of all the other rares
Then you use wraith and sell brainstorms copying cola for more double tags

analog epoch Apr 27, 2024, 10:59 PM

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My favorite rare joker, Jimbo

safe nymph Apr 27, 2024, 11:16 PM

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ah yes

mint cave Apr 28, 2024, 7:38 AM

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normal tundra i wonder what you would have got if you had showman to begin with

Then it would be chaos, I would get like 6 jokers that gives me first free reroll, I am trying to collect all 145. Will take showman last

mint cave Apr 28, 2024, 8:05 AM

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leaden bobcat You can save some ankhs for a rare tag skip to guarantee a negative copy of ever...

That would require another perkeo. Also, it will take 30 extra ankhs as each rare joker will consume 2 double tags

normal tundra Apr 28, 2024, 9:54 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrb5fXiVLgc ive seen this and i wonder, what would an optimized seed look like for this

YouTube

おめがCGちゃんねる

【Balatro】カンストダメージをいち早く出すRTA 11:43 【新記録】(固定シード)

計測期間はプレイを押してからnaneinfのスコアが表示されるまでとしております。

タイム:11:43
シード:le9pwg7d
ゴーストデッキ

旧記録:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmxGelFx0Z8&t=3s

【チャート修正点】
・中盤以降の手札のKの数を調整。

【改善点】
・3-0sでキャンプファイヤーを育成する所ですが、スライジョーカーの買売は必要ない
・6-2はバロン一番左のがはやい
・10-3はスチールK赤2枚で火力が足りる

▶ Play video

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basically inf speedrun

analog epoch Apr 28, 2024, 10:09 PM

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Fewest round naneinf seeds might be more viable for this, no?

safe nymph Apr 28, 2024, 11:44 PM

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Japanese players hit different

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Imagine if Japanese actually made the game run faster

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Like how dialogue is shorter

analog epoch Apr 28, 2024, 11:51 PM

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On a similar vein, I tested out Reduced Motion to see if that saves time but it doesn’t

magic hull Apr 29, 2024, 2:16 PM

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got a bit further with this seed. Still could not extend it to Ante 39. Just ran out of enough cryptids to keep it going. Ended up with 1.0113e434836. Not sure I have the skills or patience to try to milk much more out of it 😂

mint cave Apr 29, 2024, 8:10 PM

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magic hull got a bit further with this seed. Still could not extend it to Ante 39. Just ran...

Wait, you ran out of cryptids?? What was your hand size in the final round

magic hull Apr 30, 2024, 1:51 PM

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I ran out of Cryptids really meant that my cryptid count dropped to about the same total as my Ecto and Ankh count.

magic hull May 1, 2024, 3:08 PM

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analog epoch https://mathisfun0.github.io/The-Soul/?ante=39&cardsPerAnte=15%2C60%2C75%2C100%2...

This analyzer is amazing! Curious if you have updated it to analyze the beta build? I ran it and it seems to have a lot the same, but there are definitely some differences.

analog epoch May 1, 2024, 3:09 PM

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magic hull This analyzer is amazing! Curious if you have updated it to analyze the beta bui...

You can change the version freely from the current build to the beta build

magic hull May 1, 2024, 3:10 PM

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ah, that is what the "c" or "e" is? Which one is the beta build?

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maybe "e" as it is the public "E"xperimental build?

analog epoch May 1, 2024, 3:16 PM

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magic hull maybe "e" as it is the public "E"xperimental build?

1.0.1e is the current experimental version. 1.0.1c was an older experimental version, and 1.0.0n is the current main version

magic hull May 1, 2024, 4:14 PM

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thanks!

normal tundra May 3, 2024, 3:47 PM

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search for god seed v2 has officially started boys

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just give it some time to run through the seed pool and ill give you the seed

lofty acorn May 3, 2024, 5:50 PM

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so naneinf wr is currently ante 6?

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is there a vid for that or nah

normal tundra May 3, 2024, 5:52 PM

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Don't think there's a video

mint cave May 3, 2024, 6:52 PM

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lofty acorn is there a vid for that or nah

Don't have a video, but I can help with routing

normal tundra May 3, 2024, 7:42 PM

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im keeping this search going, but in the meantime i thought ill let yall know that if my math is right itll take 2 months of non stop gpu usage to search through the whole seed pull, im gonna let it run for like 2 nights i think but just a random piece of info xd

normal tundra May 3, 2024, 8:30 PM

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@fading crane how many copy cards did you have while duping with perkeo? im trying to see how many we need

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since you cant have like 10 at 1 time

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btw its not including natural negatives

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negatives with ecto do count

safe nymph May 3, 2024, 8:31 PM

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When will ante 1 naneinf happen

normal tundra May 3, 2024, 8:31 PM

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never

analog epoch May 3, 2024, 9:08 PM

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Wanted to post the current parameters for the filter Project666 and I are working on so we can get some feedback from the runners:

Perkeo by Ante 3
Non-Eternal Sixth Sense by Ante 4, giving Deja Vu, Ectoplasm, Ankh, and Cryptid by Ante 8
Non-Eternal Showman by Ante 5
Non-Eternal Mail-in Rebate by Ante 8
Mime and Baron by Ante 8
As many obtainable Blueprints/Brainstorms/Invisible Jokers by Ante 12 (up to 5 non-negatives)

For scoring:
+10 points for a non-negative copying card
+50 points for a negative copying card
+5 points for a negative tag in round 1 by Ante 12
+1 point for each ante early a joker appears compared to the limit

Other ideas to constrain the initial filtering:

Immolate in Shop 1
Investment Tag in Ante 1

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also this is how deep we're going per ante

normal tundra May 3, 2024, 9:15 PM

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can you paste that list so i can input it into soul whenever i find a seed

analog epoch May 3, 2024, 9:18 PM

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I'll make a link

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but also

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15,50,75,100,100,100,100,100,125,150,175,200

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https://mathisfun0.github.io/The-Soul/?ante=12&cardsPerAnte=15%2C50%2C75%2C100%2C100%2C100%2C100%2C100%2C125%2C150%2C175%2C200&deck=Ghost+Deck&stake=Black+Stake&version=10106&seed=Q4SAL
Here's one I found pretty quickly

mint cave May 3, 2024, 9:21 PM

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analog epoch Wanted to post the current parameters for the filter Project666 and I are workin...

We don't need eternal baron and mime by Ante 8. As long as we know that the seed has eternals somewhere.

Negative tag doesn't help that much in itself unless we can convert a useful joker to negative with it. Maybe add some constraints like:

It should be the first tag of an ante.
The Ante should consist a useful joker.

After all this also, I think it would only work like 60-70% of the times due to shop queues

analog epoch May 3, 2024, 9:21 PM

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mint cave We don't need eternal baron and mime by Ante 8. As long as we know that the seed...

limiting it to tag #1 is a good idea, ty

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as for the rest, it's weighted lower so that should help things

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I also changed the weights a bit because I realized it was gunning for a lot of low-ante copying jokers without negatives

normal tundra May 3, 2024, 9:23 PM

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i mean on the first point i think limiting to ante 8 helps cuz of the speed? unless i remember wrong the deeper you search the longer it takes to find seeds

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like searching for 30 antes for an eternal mime is gonna take long

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30 was an example but unless it doesnt really matter for the speed sure it can be increased

analog epoch May 3, 2024, 9:24 PM

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the biggest speed difference will be filtering more seeds earlier

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right now the big filter is that a) it would have Perkeo as the first legendary and b) it has The Soul by ante 3

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the other constraints are ideas to put out there

normal tundra May 3, 2024, 9:25 PM

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so beyond the initial filter if we increase it to like 12 or whatever number would it reduce the speed by much?

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12 or 16 idek

mint cave May 3, 2024, 9:25 PM

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Idt 12 should make a difference

analog epoch May 3, 2024, 9:25 PM

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I also won't force Baron/Mime to be eternal now, since it's very likely with Mail-In to find an eternal one by ante 39

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trying these new filters, let me see if they help

normal tundra May 3, 2024, 9:26 PM

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i imagine just finding that one god seed to end up not finding the eternal

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thats gonna be brutal

mint cave May 3, 2024, 9:26 PM

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Yeah, once we find a seed we can dig deeper into it

normal tundra May 3, 2024, 9:26 PM

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while unlikely its funny xd

analog epoch May 3, 2024, 9:26 PM

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if you can see 3,000 cards it's like a >99% chance

normal tundra May 3, 2024, 9:27 PM

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normal tundra while unlikely its funny xd

.

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call it the balatro luck but i can imagine it happening

analog epoch May 3, 2024, 9:28 PM

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hmm even 50 points for negatives is too low

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my best seed had no natural negative copy jokers in the range

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https://mathisfun0.github.io/The-Soul/?ante=12&cardsPerAnte=15%2C50%2C75%2C100%2C100%2C100%2C100%2C100%2C125%2C150%2C175%2C200&deck=Ghost+Deck&stake=Black+Stake&version=10106&seed=4XUAS2
something like this, with a negative blueprint, is probably much better

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I think I'll set it to 100 for now

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finding natural negative copy jokers is very rare

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try this one @normal tundra

📎 wr.cl

normal tundra May 3, 2024, 9:32 PM

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analog epoch finding natural negative copy jokers is very rare

yeah its rare but thats why we use seed searcher

analog epoch May 3, 2024, 9:32 PM

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still gotta weigh that into account though :)

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so we increase the good-ness of finding it

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lmk how that filter goes

mint cave May 3, 2024, 9:41 PM

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We can try forcing negative tags to copiers by giving specific constraints and making their weights high like, the copier should be at 2n+1 position in the shop queue, then it's guaranteed to hit unless we take overstock vouchers

safe nymph May 3, 2024, 10:34 PM

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normal tundra never

what :dies:

normal tundra May 3, 2024, 10:48 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-20348263

Tenor

safe nymph May 3, 2024, 11:01 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/daeth-funi-periflight-dies-from-gif-22212023

Tenor

fading crane May 4, 2024, 7:40 AM

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normal tundra <@560125726779637780> how many copy cards did you have while duping with perkeo?...

i had 9

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i replaced one with DNA about halfway through

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and then one with burglar before the final hand

normal tundra May 4, 2024, 9:04 AM

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9 copy cards? how would you even have space for that if you arent including natural negatives?

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we set the limit to 5 without negatives

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i mean there are still enough if you run the deeper search but like 8 using the normal search

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like even if you use 2 or 3 ectos you still have only 8 or 9 joker slots

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1 for perkeo 1 for showman 2 for baron mime and you have 5 slots left

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[1.0.1f] God Seed V2 (2YUYVK9)

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heres the long and short analysis

📎 2YUYVK9_analysis_LONG.txt 📎 2YUYVK9_analysis.txt

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3 natural negatives copy and 8 total copy cards in the short analysis

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do i make a new thread or keep it here?

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btw im still running the search if yall want to keep waiting its fine

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but for now i have given something

fading crane May 4, 2024, 11:26 AM

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normal tundra 9 copy cards? how would you even have space for that if you arent including natu...

Oh mb

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I had 6

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9 with tags

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No natural iirc

normal tundra May 4, 2024, 11:28 AM

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Tbh idk how to force negatives with rerolls since I've never done that

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There are some tags in this seed so maybe you'll be able to force them

fading crane May 4, 2024, 12:13 PM

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is there seance and sixth sense analysis?

normal tundra May 4, 2024, 12:21 PM

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Eh I ain't home to do perkeo analysis

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@analog epoch help me out on this one?

analog epoch May 4, 2024, 12:55 PM

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==ANTE 1==
Judgement:
Business Card
Seance:
Ectoplasm, Trance
Sixth Sense:
Aura, Grim

==ANTE 2==
Judgement:
Swashbuckler, Raised Fist
Seance:
Ouija, Immolate, Medium
Sixth Sense:
Deja Vu, Immolate, Aura

==ANTE 3==
Judgement:
Red Card, Shortcut
Seance:
Aura, Sigil, Sigil
Sixth Sense:
Medium, Cryptid, Trance

==ANTE 4==
Judgement:
Mystic Summit, Stone Joker
Seance:
Immolate, Cryptid, Immolate
Sixth Sense:
Ankh, Ankh, Ectoplasm

==ANTE 5==
Judgement:
Wrathful Joker, Raised Fist
Seance:
Wraith, Sigil, Hex
Sixth Sense:
Aura, Medium, Wraith

==ANTE 6==
Judgement:
Mystic Summit, Chaos the Clown
Seance:
Cryptid, Ankh, Incantation
Sixth Sense:
Ouija, Cryptid, Trance

==ANTE 7==
Judgement:
Juggler, Misprint
Seance:
Sigil, Hex, Familiar
Sixth Sense:
Aura, Immolate, Familiar

==ANTE 8==
Judgement:
Banner, Business Card
Seance:
Incantation, Cryptid, Wraith
Sixth Sense:
Ectoplasm, Ouija, Deja Vu

normal tundra May 4, 2024, 12:57 PM

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atleast use the codeblock so its easier to find

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let me do it

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==ANTE 1==
Judgement:
Business Card
Seance:
Ectoplasm, Trance
Sixth Sense:
Aura, Grim

==ANTE 2==
Judgement:
Swashbuckler, Raised Fist
Seance:
Ouija, Immolate, Medium
Sixth Sense:
Deja Vu, Immolate, Aura

==ANTE 3==
Judgement:
Red Card, Shortcut
Seance:
Aura, Sigil, Sigil
Sixth Sense:
Medium, Cryptid, Trance

==ANTE 4==
Judgement:
Mystic Summit, Stone Joker
Seance:
Immolate, Cryptid, Immolate
Sixth Sense:
Ankh, Ankh, Ectoplasm

==ANTE 5==
Judgement:
Wrathful Joker, Raised Fist
Seance:
Wraith, Sigil, Hex
Sixth Sense:
Aura, Medium, Wraith

==ANTE 6==
Judgement:
Mystic Summit, Chaos the Clown
Seance:
Cryptid, Ankh, Incantation
Sixth Sense:
Ouija, Cryptid, Trance

==ANTE 7==
Judgement:
Juggler, Misprint
Seance:
Sigil, Hex, Familiar
Sixth Sense:
Aura, Immolate, Familiar

==ANTE 8==
Judgement:
Banner, Business Card
Seance:
Incantation, Cryptid, Wraith
Sixth Sense:
Ectoplasm, Ouija, Deja Vu

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so ante 1 ecto from seance or ante 4 sixth sense (Ecto)
ante 2 deja vu from sixth sense or ante 8 sixth sense (Deja Vu)
ante 3 cryptid from sixth sense or ante 4 seance or ante 8 seance (Cryptid)
ante 4 ankh from sixth sense or ante 6 seance (Ankh)

fading crane May 4, 2024, 1:03 PM

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the seed won't work

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can't get sixth sense

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also, as far as I can tell the analysis assumes no vouchers are taken

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which makes them unpredictable

normal tundra May 4, 2024, 1:11 PM

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why cant you get sixth sense

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is the money not there?

fading crane May 4, 2024, 1:12 PM

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100 by ante 2

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well 100 over the course of ante 2

normal tundra May 4, 2024, 1:13 PM

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it is pretty far i guess

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spot 38

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what would be a feasable number

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wait i have another one

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a little less copy cards on the short analysis but maybe that could work

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📎 1OQZ9DZ_analysis_LONG.txt 📎 1OQZ9DZ_analysis.txt

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@analog epoch we might need another analysis

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theres an ante 1 sixth sense but ante 5 seance

fading crane May 4, 2024, 1:16 PM

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normal tundra what would be a feasable number

depends

normal tundra May 4, 2024, 1:17 PM

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this one is ante 1 number 4

fading crane May 4, 2024, 1:18 PM

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if there are tarots, econ jokers, or sixth is slightly later it is much more flexible

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I'll try it

normal tundra May 4, 2024, 1:18 PM

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theres another seed here

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you can try both of them

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i think this one has more tags

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but only 2 natural negative copy cards

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compared to the 3

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let me know which one ended up working so ill edit the title

fading crane May 4, 2024, 1:22 PM

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can I have perkeo analysis for 1OQZ9DZ please?

normal tundra May 4, 2024, 1:23 PM

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i think math is running it

fading crane May 4, 2024, 1:23 PM

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cool

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can emperor be included?

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1OQZ9DZ probably won't work either

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showman is required

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which is 67 into ante 3, and ~$300 needed i think

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unless there is one from judgement or something

normal tundra May 4, 2024, 1:27 PM

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analog epoch Wanted to post the current parameters for the filter Project666 and I are workin...

listen lets just make it easier, give us new numbers so math can edit the filters

this message i replied to is basically the rules

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15,50,75,100,100,100,100,100,125,150,175,200 this is how far each ante is searched

analog epoch May 4, 2024, 1:28 PM

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Clearly I need to lower these for the first few antes

normal tundra May 4, 2024, 1:28 PM

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ill stop the filter for now

analog epoch May 4, 2024, 1:28 PM

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Maybe like 15,30,45,60,75,90,100,100,125,150,175,200

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Just paste that into the array in the code

normal tundra May 4, 2024, 1:29 PM

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i mean he is the one who ran it the most so lets see what he thinks

fading crane May 4, 2024, 1:29 PM

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it's really hard to know because there are so many variables

normal tundra May 4, 2024, 1:29 PM

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try and just get a safe low bet

fading crane May 4, 2024, 1:30 PM

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analog epoch Maybe like 15,30,45,60,75,90,100,100,125,150,175,200

try this and see what comes out

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and adjust after i think

normal tundra May 4, 2024, 1:31 PM

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[1.0.1f] God Seed V2 (WIP)

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for now ill wait a bit since i wanna actually use my pc

fading crane May 4, 2024, 1:32 PM

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ofc lmao

normal tundra May 4, 2024, 1:32 PM

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the gpu searcher hits my gpu for everything i basically just gotta leave it be

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alright i think ill wait for the cpu searcher math is working on, it should have better speeds since this filter is just really complicated and gpus arent suited well for complicated filters

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so probably next weekend i should be up and searching with actually better speeds

topaz escarp May 4, 2024, 7:26 PM

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what is the current best seed?

normal tundra May 4, 2024, 7:28 PM

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We were working on making the filters more feasible to get everything with the amount of money you can get in the seeds

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Right now im running the search but it'll take a while to find good seeds

safe nymph May 4, 2024, 7:38 PM

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didn't the new patch cause a couple issues about rng

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and math is still trying to fix em

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because the new love update

normal tundra May 4, 2024, 7:42 PM

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I hope it'll work then

analog epoch May 4, 2024, 8:01 PM

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safe nymph and math is still trying to fix em

I fixed them when the patch came out

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Today I fixed a small bug but that was not because of the patch

normal tundra May 4, 2024, 8:06 PM

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i just seeds list and wondered why i was getting higher scores so much faster and then i remembered i increased the number of normal copy cards

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lmao

safe nymph May 4, 2024, 8:08 PM

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analog epoch I fixed them when the patch came out

gtk

normal tundra May 4, 2024, 8:09 PM

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now the filter just needs to find more natural negatives

analog epoch May 4, 2024, 8:12 PM

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0.3% 🙏 blueprint

normal tundra May 4, 2024, 8:15 PM

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well we have 2.3 trillion seeds to work with

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while i probably wont even get beyond like 1b seeds its likely to get some hits

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if the speed i get is 200k per second

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wait no its probably above 1b seeds

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in a day i can get through 17b seeds

midnight sinew May 4, 2024, 8:25 PM

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what?

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holy crap, how can your computer comprehend it?

analog epoch May 4, 2024, 11:04 PM

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midnight sinew holy crap, how can your computer comprehend it?

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1209513992519946250

normal tundra May 5, 2024, 2:58 PM

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Btw I just realized, the chance for a natural negative isn't that low when you work with so many seeds, it's only a 3/10000 chance and considering we are checking 200k seeds per second it's not that bad

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I wonder math how hard would it be to write a theoretical (no regard for money) filter to look for the most natural negative copy cards?

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For the test let's assume like 150 cards every ante for only 8 antes

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How many can we find

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It's just a luck check xd

normal tundra May 5, 2024, 3:56 PM

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well anyways considering i havent found a better seed than what i have for the past 11 hours since this seed has been found ill give yall this seed

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this is the long and short analysis

📎 7IEI7YE_analysis_LONG.txt 📎 7IEI7YE_analysis_SHORT.txt

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[1.0.1f] God Seed V2 (7IEI7YE)

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@fading crane how does this look?

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only 2 negative copy cards but so far its the highest score

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perkeo needs to be done by someone else since im keeping this running atleast i find another seed

normal tundra May 5, 2024, 6:28 PM

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Also since it's been like 14 hours since I found this seed it's very possible that this just might be the best one so far

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There's one negative blueprint and one negative brainstorm and all the other ways of getting non negative copy cards should add up to 8, so that includes copy cards and invis jokers

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Even if invis hits perkeo it should be fine

normal tundra May 5, 2024, 9:09 PM

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If I did my math correctly I only searched about 1.1% of the seed pool xd

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So about 24.868 billion seeds

analog epoch May 5, 2024, 9:33 PM

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I got like 0.6%

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From a rough estimate

normal cape May 5, 2024, 11:39 PM

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i dont see mail in rebate

warm obsidian May 6, 2024, 1:48 AM

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how do you start the seed off?

normal tundra May 6, 2024, 3:17 AM

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analog epoch I got like 0.6%

This seed is probably at the 0.6% mark, I've semi accurately calculated the rest of the seeds

analog epoch May 6, 2024, 3:18 AM

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👍

normal tundra May 6, 2024, 3:19 AM

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I've counted this seed to be seed number 13b or somewhere around that

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And another 22 hours at 200k per second

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So another 15.84b

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So around 28 or 29b so far

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I was expecting to find another seed so far but doesn't seem like it

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If by the time im coming home today I still find nothing I'm calling off the search until cpu searcher since that should be faster

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200k seems fast to the normal person but it really isnt

fading crane May 6, 2024, 8:12 AM

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looks really good so far

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7IEI7YE that is

normal tundra May 6, 2024, 8:16 AM

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Yeah so far it's still the best one, I'm not home yet so I can't tell if I got a new one

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Unless there's a way to get speeds in the few million seeds per second I doubt we will get any better

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200k is really slow when you realize the 0.9.0 God seed search was 15 million seeds per second

fading crane May 6, 2024, 8:21 AM

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there is a problem though

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I need 5 6s for sixth sense

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but, the first standard pack with a six appears after I need them

normal tundra May 6, 2024, 8:30 AM

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Maybe a death?

fading crane May 6, 2024, 8:35 AM

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no deaths

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but I forgot about strength, so not an issue lol

calm ruin May 6, 2024, 8:52 AM

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how do i see the full original post of this?

normal tundra May 6, 2024, 8:55 AM

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The original post was of a seed in an older version, the specifics of the seed don't matter anymore but the strat is the same pretty much

calm ruin May 6, 2024, 8:55 AM

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i see

normal tundra May 6, 2024, 8:56 AM

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This is the original message

calm ruin May 6, 2024, 8:56 AM

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ty

fading crane May 6, 2024, 9:48 AM

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the seed is good, but not much better than US5IN3

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the natural negatives are great, but I can't get anymore copy jokers from tags

normal tundra May 6, 2024, 10:02 AM

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I mean maybe US5IN3 was just really lucky, but considering it doesn't work anymore we still have to find something new

normal tundra May 6, 2024, 4:10 PM

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yeah its been almost 24 hours since i found this seed and nothing so ill say its the best we got so far

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here is the perkeo analysis

📎 7IEI7YE_Perkeo_Analyzer.txt

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now my pc needs to take a break its been running 10pm on saturday and now its 7pm on monday

normal tundra May 7, 2024, 6:32 PM

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btw trousers idk if you wanna wait since you might be working on this seed already but i did talk to math about improving the skip tag logic for negatives and the location of copy cards but theres probably a good chance we could have optimized the logic for negative tag skips so that you could force it on a copy card every time

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itll still vary on how many negative tags we can find but the logic will make it so there has to be a copy card in a position that can be copied

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and on small blind too

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it should be able to work with the overstock vouchers so there shouldnt be any problem with buying them

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i think math can make it dynamically adjust to the amount of shop slots

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and if what math said comes to be true its possible the cpu searcher can be up to 10 times faster on my pc so itll be much faster to find better seeds

topaz escarp May 7, 2024, 11:07 PM

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quick question i have been playing with the new god seed and it is very good. I used the analyzer and it says that there should be a negative blueprint on ante 5. As you can see in teh screeshot above its a negative the tribe. My version for the analyzer is correct. Does anyone know how this could happen?

analog epoch May 7, 2024, 11:08 PM

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topaz escarp quick question i have been playing with the new god seed and it is very good. I ...

You have a Blueprint so it can’t appear unless you get Showman first

topaz escarp May 7, 2024, 11:09 PM

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ah thanks!

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i thought negatives were exempt from showman?

analog epoch May 7, 2024, 11:12 PM

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topaz escarp i thought negatives were exempt from showman?

nope

topaz escarp May 7, 2024, 11:13 PM

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cool thanks:)

prime remnant May 8, 2024, 12:32 AM

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analog epoch 3.587e2850329

*7.996e2850328

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I guess desmos is less precise but still same first 8 digits

magic hull May 8, 2024, 1:22 PM

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have had a couple runs at this one. Still trying to parse out how to get the right spectral cards early on.

normal tundra May 8, 2024, 1:29 PM

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Using either sixth sense or seance

fading crane May 8, 2024, 9:18 PM

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normal tundra btw trousers idk if you wanna wait since you might be working on this seed alrea...

I have been waiting, thanks

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Also, thank you for all the work you guys do looking for seeds, you're amazing

normal tundra May 8, 2024, 9:40 PM

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i mean for me its not that much of a problem leaving my pc on since i either sleep or work most of the time and i dont use my pc too much besides the weekends maybe

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and i enjoy seeing the progress on the seeds

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math is the real one here

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~~for dealing with me all this time xd~~

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totally havent asked him to work on filters too many times xd

topaz escarp May 8, 2024, 11:29 PM

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@magic hull I did a run yesterday and got to ante 39. made a short guide, feel free to us

📎 god_seed_guide.rtf

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its a bit rough around the edges

#[1.0.1f] God Seed V2 (7IEI7YE)