Divvy's Real-Time Score Preview

[drowsy gyro]

From my view, that's impossible because neither DVPreview nor DVSimulate ever use my deprecated deep_copy function. Are you sure you've upgraded both files to v2.2?

[cosmic smelt]

I had downloaded them when I took that screenshot, but when it crashed I redownloaded from the github and it hasn't happened since, so it's possible I just didn't install it after downloading the first time

[buoyant orbit]

Got a crash when selecting a hand with a +0 Fortune Teller joker

I was using the plasma deck, in case that matters

[drowsy gyro]

I fixed this, but not sure if it's in the latest release. Can you check your mod version? Have a look in the mod's description in the mod menu

@buoyant orbit

[buoyant orbit]

It says V2.2. I downloaded it a few hours ago, so I thought that was the latest

Okay, I downloaded the lua file directly (as opposed to the release zip) and that seems to have fixed it

[drowsy gyro]

Damn

Have to update the release

[buoyant orbit]

Well, at least a fix does exist, so that's good. Thanks for the quick response!

[drowsy gyro]

Release updated, everyone get the NEW_DOWNLOAD.zip

Fuck it, new release: https://github.com/DivvyCr/Balatro-Preview/releases/tag/v2.2.1

[scenic bolt]

XD

[radiant nest]

you ready for things to break soon when new balatro patch drops

[scenic bolt]

Real 😔

though idk how this works

[drowsy gyro]

Actually, v2.x is kinda safe from updates

[radiant nest]

it probably will work fine, but maybe break on the joker patches

[drowsy gyro]

The only problem is that joker reworks will have to be rewritten

but that's not too bad

[scenic bolt]

yeah

it could be worst

[uneven pagoda]

Windows 10 is struggling opening steamodded injector, any tips?

trying to run the python file, do i just give the path of the balatro exe as an arg

[halcyon cedar]

steamodded doesn't have a python file to use as an injector

you should just be able to download steamodded_injector.exe from the releases page and drag balatro.exe onto it

[uneven pagoda]

I get windows compatibility issues when I try this

Not to mention the file frequently gets deleted for malware

[radiant nest]

maybe try using lovely

[stuck kayak]

has anyone tested the new balatro patch with this mod yet

[radiant nest]

It runs, but I assume it will be wrong for any of the changed jokers

[cosmic smelt]

I'm loading it now, so far so good I think

[drowsy gyro]

The only joker simulations affected by the new balance update are:
• Midas Mask
• Vampire
• Hanging Chad
• Flower Pot
• Yorick

I have fixes in-place, publishing a pre-release later today. Everything else should be good to go, as is 👍

[dire nebula]

oh that's awesome, I assumed that the patch just wouldn't be supported until it was stable

[cosmic smelt]

yeah so far what I've seen has been fine, like sin jokers, swashbuckle, etc.

[scenic bolt]

what about odd todd

[drowsy gyro]

All other jokers are handled automatically, because the balance changes just affect the configuration variables not the mechanics, if that makes sense

[scenic bolt]

I guess it makes sense, maybe

[drowsy gyro]

All you need to know is 'it just works' lol

[scenic bolt]

XD fair enough

[cosmic smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[cosmic timber]

https://tenor.com/view/works-on-my-machine-ryan-gosling-works-on-my-gif-24523830

[dire nebula]

does the mod pull those values straight from the game files then?

or I guess just from the current state actually?

not sure why yorick would need to be handled differently unless it's just to handle the hook discarding and increasing the mult

actually that's probably exactly it 😄

[drowsy gyro]

I think I forgot to put the files in the latest release..? Should be there now: https://github.com/DivvyCr/Balatro-Preview/releases/tag/v2.3

Now with the added benefit of another bug fix!

[cosmic smelt]

hooray!

[stuck kayak]

patch notes says flower pot works with debuffed cards

did they change seeing double too?

[drowsy gyro]

Nah, seeing double is the same as it was

[quiet niche]

Does the new release sim ALL the patch changes?

[drowsy gyro]

Yeah, should do

[dire nebula]

it's a tiny thing that doesn't really matter but...the version in the front matter is wrong

[halcyon cedar]

it looks correct to me
it's version 2.3

[dire nebula]

https://github.com/DivvyCr/Balatro-Preview/blob/v2.3/Mods/DVPreview.lua#L5

[drowsy gyro]

Yeah, hopefully will remember to update for full release

[quiet niche]

definitely should have remembered to save the details but I'm like 99% sure I had an incorrect sim last night on a random hand

was several runs ago so don't even remember which jokers I was using but yeah I guess be on the lookout?

it was off by multiples so might've been an xmult

[dreamy trout]

Were there lucky cards potentially?

[quiet niche]

possibly

[dreamy trout]

I actually don’t know how this mod does misprint either since I never take it

[quiet niche]

I assumed the mod knows the seed values so it cheats and forecasts the rng?

[dreamy trout]

Oh lol

[halcyon cedar]

it does do that, but there's an option to only show a range of possible scores

[quiet niche]

oh how do I enable that

[cosmic smelt]

In the settings menu there's a couple checkboxes

[quiet niche]

awesome thanks

[quiet niche]

on boss The Arm, sim gave ~2k score but it was actually 12.8k

played 1 hand, was lvl 13 high card

[dreamy trout]

what did misprint hit

[quiet niche]

don't remember

[dreamy trout]

Hanging chad completely messes up the scoring for some reason

But, it's only off by a small %

[dreamy urchin]

had that issue on the arm too, seems like it's calculating a lvl 1 hand?

[quiet niche]

https://github.com/DivvyCr/Balatro-Preview/blob/v2.3/Mods/DVSimulate.lua#L348

Doesn't look like it does

[quiet niche]

the arm is definitely not simming correctly, it may somehow be miscalculating the level though it isn't obvious how from the code

[cosmic smelt]

not sure if this is vanilla, haven't tested yet, but it let me play this stoned Jack in a straight

[blazing lotus]

dont think vanilla allows that cuz shortcut doesn't exist

[radiant nest]

it shouldn't, but technically it might

I wonder if some mod is mesisng with the check and forgeting the stone check

[blazing lotus]

stones have aa hidden rank in them in case they get unenhanced but they aren't used in calculation for a hand type cuz they don't have a rank

so def some mod or something

[drowsy gyro]

Do you have any other mods active here?

This mod can't affect anything with the vanilla scoring

[drowsy gyro]

Will be looking into it

Oh, yeah, fixed The Arm

[drowsy gyro]

Can't reproduce, what other jokers did you have?

[heavy vale]

So how accurate is it for certain builds, for example like steel joker and having specifically 4 steel cards in deck ?

I’m very interested in how people make these calculators as balatro has like trillions of different scenarios you can find yourself into

What about boss blinds like the flint as well

[drowsy gyro]

It should be able to calculate everything that the vanilla game calculates

but obviously I've made some typos or forgot to add some minor things

You can just get the mod and see for yourself - majority of cases are already covered

Currently the arm is miscalculated because of a small typo, I'll update today/tmrw

[heavy vale]

Awesome, I’ll check it out
You won’t believe the amount of runs I lost cuz I couldn’t tell if my hand was gonna make score or not

[glad ruin]

@drowsy gyro have you found a way to fix the deck preview? it shows the incorrect card total when you hover over the deck (ex. 5 kings in deck, the K shows 4 instead)

[drowsy gyro]

Are you on the latest Steamodded version?

and the latest version of this mod, too?

[glad ruin]

checking 🙂

downloaded both at the same time last week, checking if there is anything new

github doesnt say what version steamodded is at? or at least i cant find it

[drowsy gyro]

That looks like it should be fine

Try downloading the latest version of my mod

[glad ruin]

will do thanks for the quick response!!

[drowsy gyro]

You caught me at the right time 🙂

[quiet niche]

Is the arm fix pushed yet? Or tell us where the typo is 😛

[cosmic smelt]

iirc I was on 0.9.7 and got the same deck preview error, try updating to 0.9.8

[glad ruin]

is there a simple way to uninstall it? or will the new version overwrite the previous?

[cosmic smelt]

I think I just uninstalled on steam and then reinstalled the same way I did the original

your save data SHOULD be preserved, but I'm not responsible if something goes wrong

mine was preserved, is what I'll say

[glad ruin]

no worries, appreciate the help!

[drowsy gyro]

Oh, not pushed yet sorry. On lines 349 and 350 change s_mult to mult and s_chips to chips

I think that should fix but haven't tested lol

That's why not yet pushed

[cosmic smelt]

Bell selected the glass Ace, and it's not factoring the order into the range caluclation. Idk if it's because of bell but this is what it shows

or is this the selection order bug

[drowsy gyro]

Probably an issue with Lucky cards, will be looking into it

[quiet niche]

Do you prefer issues on the repo or here?

https://github.com/DivvyCr/Balatro-Preview/issues/23

Weird, your code comments say they do sim but I just experienced losing steel cards that ended up losing me the run (dropping me from 32k to 20k). The sim predicted 32k and did not display a min/max range.

[drowsy gyro]

I see. I'm currently away from home, so will take a couple days for all these issues, sorry

[radiant nest]

oops I got a crash

loaded a save with a blind needing nan to beat

chances are the game itself would've crahses someway anyaways

[eager hemlock]

Hi i have submitted a PR for fixing the Amber Acorn not hiding the score when the hide score option is selected.

How do you test the mod without playing from scratch ?

[radiant nest]

There is a debug mode that can help a lot with getting the game into the right state to test stuff

There's a mod to enable it here https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1209857245316255744 or if you want there's DebugPlus which I made and adds a few other useful things on top of the standard debug mode https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1228149931257237664

[terse mountain]

Hey, I don't know if it's been mentioned but in the beta hanging chad now retriggers the card twice, but it's showing the score for if it only retriggered once

At least I think that's the issue, I haven't done the maths to confirm, but the only runs I've noticed the score being wrong are runs where I require hanging chad

[empty ember]

bug: the mark calculates face down face cards correctly if they are kings and you have baron

[eager hemlock]

i don think experimental are being supported rn

[halcyon cedar]

yes it is

[cosmic smelt]

not sure if this was reported already but the Plant interaction with Matador isn't registering on Gold preview, you can see it does display for the gold seal but not for the +8 on matador (which is weird because it was displaying accurately earlier in the fight)

[empty ember]

crash bug: when selecting cards against hook such that there is 1 card remaining in hand (hand of 6, select 5 1 left) nil value error in game screenshot 1 card before error

[empty ember]

bug, score preview does not account for obelisk resetting if the hand you played was your highest played hand

[drowsy gyro]

Hey everyone, thanks for the reports! I'm currently really quite busy, as you might have gathered by my absence, so I can't really give any ETAs

The bugs don't seem too bad (many of them are familiar even), so once I find a free day, everything should be fixed 🤞

This could be tomorrow or in a week's time, sorry 😭

[drowsy gyro]

Quick answer to your testing question: I usually set every run to have the bugged jokers/blinds, and then play some hands to test. Biggest delay is restarting the game every time 😅

[eager hemlock]

someone introduced me to the debug mode enable mod

My pr is ready to be merged now

[steep wing]

man...

I switched methods, you can see it in my 3deck video where I have it horizontal and on top so it doesn't block anything (and it looks really nice as well imo)

[brazen night]

I see, that looks clean

I know when I’ve been running with Ankh and LiveSplit, I’ve just turned Ankh’s timer off so it only appears in LiveSplit and the win screen

[neat escarp]

???

[brazen night]

He’s agreeing with your criticism…

[steep wing]

the only other mod I use is ankh

[brazen night]

At some point I want to add a mode that gives the timer splits and stuff, and that will be on the right hand side so hopefully it works better with the score preview UI

I’ve been focusing a lot recently on the seed analysis and searching tools but will pivot more towards Ankh after 1.0.1’s release

[neat escarp]

oh ok

@steep wing if you turn on the range, it fits well

[brazen night]

I have to update for the next version of Lovely when that releases; I’ll add a toggle to move the timer to the top right below the consumable slots. Seems like a good spot?

[sour peak]

in theory 0.5.0 is stable and ready to go

just giving it a couple more days to be sure though

if that's what you're referring to

[brazen night]

Yep, I’ll probably push an update to Ankh on the same day

[sour peak]

sounds good. are you using the regex patch?

[brazen night]

I might try it out. What I have works though
The main thing will be testing out the new dumps system for detecting a modded game

It would require at least Lovely 0.5.0 to use Official Mode so that needs to actually be released first lol

[brazen night]

If game updates start to break some of the functions I override I’ll definitely look into that, even though I don’t know regex lmao

[sour peak]

it's an inevitability really :-/

regex isn't that hard, just use an online tool like regexr

the syntax is just obtuse

[mint peak]

This mod crashes my game every now and then, very randomly, but its replicated in the same specific hand that it crashed on.

When I click the 10 of spades it will crash.

It also seems to only happen if I have stuntman.

It also crashes when I select the Queen of spades. Maybe it has to do with the boss then?

--- MOD_NAME: Divvy's Simulation
--- MOD_ID: dvsimulate
--- MOD_AUTHOR: [Divvy C.]
--- MOD_DESCRIPTION: A utility mod to simulate selected hand. v2.2.1
--- PRIORITY: -80``` thats the version I am running.

Oh. I found the place to get the updated code.

https://github.com/DivvyCr/Balatro-Preview/commit/62d2941d4ee41024c846703fc01f45dcb3aa70e5

[stuck kayak]

i think this issue was the game trying to calculate 2 cards getting discarded when you only had 1 card left in hand

[mint peak]

Yeah, I kinda figured as much when I realized that it only happened with stuntman and that boss.

[drowsy gyro]

Just to confirm, when you use that version, is the crash solved?

I was hoping to update the release when the new Balatro version is released out of experimental. This hasn't happend yet has it?

[radiant nest]

No it hasn't yet

[mint peak]

I dont crash anymore after updating that one specific line of code. I have been playing on 1.0.1 since I started playing the game. The only issues I see right now are just that the mod isnt updated to the card changes of Yorick, Hanging Chad, and maybe a couple of others.

[drowsy gyro]

Oh, there's a pre-release for experimental

Just use that, let me link

[mint peak]

Oh, I have just been dealing with it lol.

[drowsy gyro]

That fixes the crash too

[sleek locust]

this mod can use with beta?

[cosmic smelt]

(yes it can)

[radiant nest]

The new build is stable now

[drowsy gyro]

Changed pre-release to latest release.

Lmk if any jokers are not calculating correctly. It doesn't look like he's changed anything else not updated in this release

https://github.com/DivvyCr/Balatro-Preview/releases/tag/v2.3

[empty ember]

midas mask + bonus cards not calcing correctly

[brazen night]

I have good news for those people who noted that Divvy's Score Preview and Ankh had incompatible UI

also it is me or shouldn't this display +$6 for the gold card?

[desert scarab]

divvy.... divvy..... it's been a week or two... wake up....

[brazen night]

pretty fun run
probably won't use this mod much more since I like not knowing my exact score, but wanted to see how it was working with Ankh

[drowsy gyro]

Hmm, do you mean that bonus chips are calculated when Midas Mask would replace the enhancement?

[drowsy gyro]

Huh? Is there a bug you'd like fixed?

[brazen night]

Gold cards not being calculated I think

Is the bug they’re referring to

[drowsy gyro]

Gold cards are not being calculated, because they're at the end of the round. It's possible but would require some finagling

[brazen night]

You could probably check if the predicted score would win the round and then do gold card calcs

[drowsy gyro]

Fair enough, the next month is full exams for me, so zero time

[drowsy gyro]

Nah, it's simpler, there's an evaluate round function that I could put advice on 😀

[empty ember]

it is calcing using the bonus cards instead of the lower gold cards, ie i turn a bonus card into a gold card, and i score lower than the predictor

[desert scarab]

im just messing around about what you said abt mod compat on the latest release :P

[drowsy gyro]

Oh, I see

I actually made a start on a couple mods, but yeah.. didn't pan out in time 😕

[sleek locust]

i saw bug. flush calculate missing.

[radiant nest]

Oh is it not working with misprint?

Or smear sorry

[sleek locust]

you mean second joker? it's not misprint. it's smeared.

[radiant nest]

Yeah sorry I remembered the name wrong

[empty ember]

bugged vs arm, score preview was massively off,

[drowsy gyro]

Do you remember which jokers you had? Are you sure it's specifically the Arm causing errors?

[drowsy gyro]

Thanks, will test and fix ASAP

[empty ember]

it was working on the previous round, i cant remember jokers but i dont think i changed them. was like lv 17 flush 5 showing as massively underscoring

[drowsy gyro]

I see, just to confirm: you are on the latest version?

[empty ember]

2.2.1

[drowsy gyro]

Hmm, this looks like a bug I fixed where the Arm always calculated lvl. 0 hands. I'll look into it. In the meantime, try upgrading to this version.

[empty ember]

oh also, for midas mask, it doesnt calculate bonus cards getting golded correctly, probably because the chips for the card is changed directly, so you need to check directly if the card is a bonus card in that case (not sure if you figured that out yet/had report on it)

[fickle knot]

i had some weird calculations today where it was showing negative numbers or just various small numbers nowhere near my score

this was obviously going to score a lot higher than 16,410

[stuck kayak]

perhaps it was calculating erosion as negative mult because you have more than 52 cards

although even then your score would be magnitudes higher

[neat umbra]

I've noticed that happen specifically on The Arm, although reading the above messages it appears it may be fixed in a newer version

[frozen valley]

I have the same issue. By my calculation, the bug seems to be, in The Arm, base chip from hand is calculated as level 0, then cap to 0 minimum

[eager hemlock]

i dont understand the bug, can you elaborate more on this ?

[empty ember]

if your cards are bonus cards (the ones that give 30 extra chips), and you have midas mask, the calculator will consider the cards to have the 30 extra chips, instead of them being removed. this is because the calculator is getting the chips value of the card, which is directly changed by the bonus card. this is unlike mult, glass or lucky cards which add a different value and are correctly removed by the calculator

[eager hemlock]

oh

thanks i will take a look at it

[eager hemlock]

the same applies to vampire as well

[eager hemlock]

i submitted a pr for this issue, along with the arm blind and the erosion giving negative mult

[lucid fulcrum]

Wasn't able to get a clip of the game crashing, but with a max hand of 5, selecting a fourth card would crash

[drowsy gyro]

Hey everyone, just a PSA: I've got exams until 3rd June with all time going to revision, heading for top grades. I might have time on the 21st May to have a look into these issues, hopefully get the PR merged.
So sorry for radio silence and no progress, it's an unfortunate timing with graduation exams. Much love ❤️

[cosmic smelt]

You're already doing god's work making the mod to begin with, we appreciate you and will be patient 💕

[quiet niche]

Best of luck king!

[empty ember]

this is fixed in the updated version

[lucid fulcrum]

Yeah, I figured out how to update it an hour ago, thanks

[cosmic timber]

Does score preview work for 1.0.0 alpha?

[long atlas]

[radiant nest]

It does for me

[long atlas]

wait yeah this doesn't actually depend on steamodded functionality

[halcyon cedar]

something that occurred to me; would it be possible to make a "best hand" button using this mod's simulator calculations?

like, you press the button, the game iterates over every possible hand you could play, simulates all of them, and then selects the highest-scoring one for you

possibly also with "best minimum" and "best maximum" buttons when playing on min/max score preview

[long atlas]

sure it'd be possible, just really computationally expensive if your hand size is big enough

it's basically factorial complexity

[halcyon cedar]

I think the only cases where that would cause major issues would be if you picked up the hand size skip tag with a couple of double tags

aside from that tag, the highest possible hand size is typically 18

which yes, does require processing an extremely large amount of hands; but getting there requires 2 vouchers and 3 specific jokers, which is rare and generally makes for a bad build that people wouldn't use anyways

and while it is computationally expensive, it's an algorithm that would run exactly once, and only when the user requests it. lag would be annoying, but not prohibitively so

[drowsy gyro]

It's possible, and it can be done (somewhat) efficiently

I gave it a lot of thought before exams, and I have a few optimisation ideas, but would need time to find the best approaches

I could also just implement it as a button to run on users request, which would make run time less relevant as you mentioned as well

However, I'm not sure this is something I'll commit to

No promises 😜

[quiet niche]

Question, why can't you use the actual game calculator as a proxy and just use its result as the preview?

Then you'd be guaranteed no bugs in calculations too.

[drowsy gyro]

@quiet niche it actually introduces more bugs because the game mixes a lot of logic, especially related to animations and card creation (eg. DNA)

[long atlas]

that's without any other mods though

mods can introduce all sorts of ways to gain hand size

[halcyon cedar]

that's fair
a decent stopgap could be disallowing use of the button for high hand sizes

possibly with a config toggle to allow it

[drowsy gyro]

I mean, as it stands, this mod already requires extra code to support other mods, so I'd just have to implement optimisations for each mod (if necessary)

now, would I do that? that's a whole other question

[drowsy gyro]

Hey everyone, I've finished my exams today! Looking good 👀
To celebrate, I've finally put all the small bug fixes that came up in the past month in a new release:
https://github.com/DivvyCr/Balatro-Preview/releases/tag/v2.4

It's a pre-release currently, because I'm not sure if I made small errors, so please test this out. It should be good, but you know how it goes with my releases lol

Just looking to get back into the swing of things rn 😄

[radiant nest]

Congrats on finishing your exams.

[cosmic timber]

real question is how did the exams go

[drowsy gyro]

Should be top marks 🤞

[cosmic timber]

very nice

[vale pecan]

Can't get it to work with cryptids, not sure if its been addressed or not, just letting you know

[brazen night]

“CURRENTLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH OTHER MODS”

[winter flower]

is it fixed as of now?

[real kindle]

Seems to show incorrect scores when versing that one guy that lowers level of poker hand

[cosmic smelt]

wanted to report the calculator doesn't factor in when Obelisk breaks and displays the projected score for if you continued avoiding your most played hand 🫡

[drowsy gyro]

https://github.com/DivvyCr/Balatro-Preview/releases/tag/v2.5

[cosmic smelt]

Divvy C. mod update ping, my beloved

[drowsy gyro]

oh wait, I forgot to add the files

1min

[cosmic smelt]

lol i was looking around and im like "this is source code"

[drowsy gyro]

fixed

been a while

[cosmic smelt]

and my appreciation for your efforts remains unrivaled

[cosmic timber]

We need divvy with bignum support

Omeganum too but idk if that's hard or not

[drowsy gyro]

Hmm, I might look into it

[cosmic timber]

Talisman already done it so the place to look is there

[brazen night]

Not hard to do two in one…

[cosmic timber]

Welp math x divvy collab when

[brazen night]

to_big: exists

[cosmic timber]

What's that

[brazen night]

the function to use BigNum and OmegaNum

[cosmic smelt]

Oh yeah, reporting that the score preview still tells whether The Hook will discard club/spades or not when using Blackboard

despite being the same score wise, the preview predicts that when the right 6 is played, the remaining 9 of diamonds will be discarded

[drowsy gyro]

As in, it's always correct? and not giving a range?

[cosmic smelt]

That's right

[drowsy gyro]

I looked into it, and currently can't see a satisfactory way to make The Hook account for all discard scenarios

[brazen night]

All in hand and none in hand might work, but sometimes that’s still inaccurate
Really what you’d have to do is try every combination, but that takes a long time

[drowsy gyro]

It's not about time, it's about having to use sub-simulations for each combination, which are annoying to fit into the relatively clean code rn

[cosmic smelt]

I think in general the preference would just be to obscure non-deterministic previews

[brazen night]

#⚙・modding-general message
the repo appears to be down right now

[twilit sapphire]

the entire github account is gone... hacked?

[cosmic smelt]

yeah yo what

Here's the latest releases until the github is back up

and the history mod cuz idk

[brazen night]

@drowsy gyro

[drowsy gyro]

Damn

It all seems fine from my side tbh

[twilit sapphire]

https://github.com/DivvyCr/ is you right?

rn it leads to a 404 page for me

searching for the mod github from google gives the same page

[drowsy gyro]

Yeah, I see it too

Apparently account was flagged

need to appeal it..

[twilit sapphire]

oh dang :(

[cosmic smelt]

lame, wonder why

[twilit sapphire]

DMCA?

[drowsy gyro]

I think I know why, hopefully it gets cleared quick

[drowsy gyro]

I think it's all good now

[cosmic timber]

can we ask what was the reason? im interested now

[drowsy gyro]

Just a mistake

[twilit sapphire]

hooray!

now that it's back, can i ask what the difference is between the readme example and what i should do to add joker support in the new system?

[brazen night]

Imagine Cryptid support…
(Although not sure how that would work with new operations)

[drowsy gyro]

Personally, I don't think preview support for Cryptid is needed nor fully doable

It's leaning fully into the 'fun' aspect of Balatro - never fully knowing how it's gonna play out

(but usually knowing that it's enough, lmao)

[drowsy gyro]

Not any different implementation-wise, but I'm restructuring the whole mod

Imma push the update in the coming week, which would allow mod support to be within this mod, rather than across the other mods, if that makes sense

[brazen night]

fair

[drowsy gyro]

Unrelated, but I really want to find or build a good testing suite for this mod - just don't know enough about Lua and LÖVE yet

[brazen night]

the best way might end up being savestate loading

loading a bunch of save.jkrs, playing a specific hand automatically and seeing if the score matches the prediction

[twilit sapphire]

oh i see!

[drowsy gyro]

@brazen night have you looked into how the mod's working rn?

I think my approach is great, except for requiring duplicated code essentially..

[brazen night]

not yet

[drowsy gyro]

In short, I'm rewriting each joker without any visual mechanics

along with simplified and better organised scoring mechanics (that exactly mirror the game)

[brazen night]

it looks pretty good at a glance

[drowsy gyro]

I wish I could ditch Steamodded, but it's required for other mod support (to check which mods are active)

Relying solely on Lovely would be ideal to my tastes

[brazen night]

you could check for it conditionally

[long atlas]

joker calculation generally is a mess tbh, which I would like to see addressed in steamodded

unfortunately all we have for that is a stale outdated branch

[brazen night]

for mod support you could probably do something like what JokerDisplay does
save the calculate score function in the joker itself

[drowsy gyro]

Wdym?

[brazen night]

and then if that function exists then call it

[long atlas]

elseif tower of doom

[brazen night]

the real issue is, how do you fix such a core issue?

I think retrigger API adding callbacks is already a big step up

[drowsy gyro]

Ah yes, very familiar

[long atlas]

that's the neat part, you don't

at least not without being broken by every future game update

[drowsy gyro]

I'm not sure about what specifically you're looking for, but I'm generally very happy with what I wrote for this mod

[brazen night]

we're talking about in general basically

I think you did a good job

[drowsy gyro]

Again, the only issue is duplicating each joker's code

[brazen night]

I think that's not really avoidable though because of elseif towers

[drowsy gyro]

Yeah, exactly

[brazen night]

I have a boss that copies other boss abilities in Cryptid.
Every vanilla boss is hardcoded.

[drowsy gyro]

The game's not really written to a high quality standard, in my opinion

[long atlas]

then again I don't see rationalizing all centers as realistic for steamodded because at that point I have the entire game to maintain

[brazen night]

does it need to though? eg. Undertale

[drowsy gyro]

Of course not, but it's a bit annoying from modding pov

See Factorio for instance

[brazen night]

I think for what it is, it's fine

[drowsy gyro]

I don't blame game creators for the code quality, because it takes way more than code to make a game as great as Balatro

[brazen night]

Although having to ctrl+f source code and write hooks or lovely patches or anything complicated isn't fun

but it works

for the most part, I haven't had issues programming complex effects in Cryptid
(although much of it isn't pretty)

like in general the code for Double Scale, which has to track if any value in any joker's ability table changes, isn't pretty

[cosmic smelt]

Reporting that Acrobat doesn't seem to calculate on the final hand, even though it is active

[placid wharf]

Oh hey! I'd also report something minor but would be a very easy thing (I think and I hope) to add to help with the Archipelago (randomizer) mod: the preview thinks debuffed jokers still do their thing. I assume it's as easy as handling debuffed cards, but I have no knowledge of the internals of the game/modding frameworks (yet). Hope it's not too big an ask!

[drowsy gyro]

hmm, probably a bug in the pre-release

[drowsy gyro]

can you drop a link to the mod?

[placid wharf]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1252651252853112936

https://github.com/BurndiL/BalatroAP

[placid wharf]

Hey! Quick update on that thing I flagged in the mod; turns out that's also a vanilla behavior. One of the final blinds disables a joker at random (Crimson Heart?) and Score Preview straight up fails to take that into account. So, turns out it's not a mod incompatibility necessarily.

[sly drum]

Heya Divvy, is this a good way to add support for my Plasma sleeve?

if DV and DV.SIM then
    local old_DV_SIM_simulate_deck_effects = DV.SIM.simulate_deck_effects
    function DV.SIM.simulate_deck_effects()
        old_DV_SIM_simulate_deck_effects()
        if G.GAME.selected_sleeve == "sleeve_casl_plasma" then  -- Plasma sleeve key
            local function plasma(data)
                local sum = data.chips + data.mult
                local half_sum = math.floor(sum/2)
                data.chips = mod_chips(half_sum)
                data.mult = mod_mult(half_sum)
            end
            plasma(DV.SIM.running.min)
            plasma(DV.SIM.running.exact)
            plasma(DV.SIM.running.max)
        end
    end
end

(a sleeve is basically the effects of a deck, but can be combined with another deck)

[drowsy gyro]

Hey, sorry for a late reply (on holiday).

Is it meant to replicate Plasma deck, or are you going to change the effect?* Otherwise, it looks fine. I'm not sure that the sleeve deck key is appropriate - you might need to use it's in-game name (just test whether the preview is accurate).

* In any case, it's good practice to change the local function name, especially because you're advising a function. Although, I don't think there should be any trouble 🤷‍♂️

[sly drum]

All good, enjoy your holiday!
Yes, the sleeve replicates plasma deck exactly. Using the key works fine, and the preview seems to work.
My biggest question really was whether you had some sort of API in place for deck effects or not, but it didn't seem like you did, so this was my best option.

[drowsy gyro]

Nah, not yet. I'm test running a big restructuring which might include API-like stuff, but no timeline. It won't interfere with your implemention above tho

[drowsy gyro]

Oh, will look into it

[sly drum]

Ah, alright. Good luck with that :)
If it includes anything I might be able to use, just let me know, shouldn't be too hard to implement.

[cosmic smelt]

The expected money displayed on The Tooth is basing it off scored cards, rather than played cards. This should read "-4" but instead reads "-2"

[fickle knot]

what's the mod you're using in this screenshot to show the stuff at the top like +168?

[misty basalt]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1241580123766128761

[fickle knot]

thanks!

[willow heron]

@drowsy gyro You're the best. You made this game playable!

[fickle knot]

this thread has been silent but just want to say thank you based @drowsy gyro , i have been playing with your mod every day for months. it's goated

[clear perch]

Whenever I have this mod displaying score preview it somehow sets all hands to 0x0 for value, am I doing something wrong?

[drowsy gyro]

This mod doesn't work with other mods

[clear perch]

Im not using any content mods

[drowsy gyro]

Lmk what you're using

[clear perch]

Unfortunately im not at my computer rn, but the only things I could see affecting it would be Saturn or Cardomancy, all the rest are ui or animation tweaks. And your other history mod.

[drowsy gyro]

I see..

I really need to do some testing with all other QoL mods, but idk when I'll find the time

[serene ingot]

@drowsy gyro
I really love your mod, but I was wishing it could work with other mods... so... I did a thing:
https://github.com/DivvyCr/Balatro-Simulation/pull/1

Basically, found a way to run the evaluate_play and revert the game

Haven't tested it too much, but I'll update the PR, if I find issues.

[drowsy gyro]

Oooh, this could be big

I had a suspicion there was a way to copy tables better - my original approach to simulation simply did deep table copies

the deep copies still failed because of nested tables (I believe?), like you point out

I'll see how your approach works in practice, hopefully it does solve modding (and long-term maintenance)

[serene ingot]

I was able to get it working with bunco and paperback, but I haven't tested it much. Gonna spend the weekend just having fun.
If you have any questions, I'll try to throw together a commented version for you.

[drowsy gyro]

Im thinking I'll merge your PR into a new branch and go from there

The whole idea is familiar to me, so I just need to go through the details

[serene ingot]

It helped me a lot when I saw someone using __index as "default values", which is what I think it was meant to be

I've been calling the tables "pseduo tables" or "Mirror Universe", but if there's a term that makes more sense to me, I can do a refactor

[drowsy gyro]

I would probably call them sim tables in this context tbh

I was planning on refactoring anyway, after the merge, so we can discuss my changes then

[serene ingot]

Sounds good to me. I think I found a bug with dollar sims, so I'll have a fix ready once the dust settles

[fickle knot]

epic

i am literally not using other (content) mods just so that i can use this mod

this mod is that important

[serene ingot]

There's a draft version that works with most mods, and with the "exact" version it will work with almost all.
If you want, I can pass you the beta version, and you can test for me!

[drowsy gyro]

Relevant to experimental version below:
If you try it and then wish to go back to the vanilla-only (but stable) version, just redownload the official release from https://github.com/DivvyCr/Balatro-Preview/

[serene ingot]

Got the experimental version mostly complete (it should be close to the final version):

[drowsy gyro]

Hey everyone, if you're interested in using the Preview mod with other content mods then you should give this experimental version a go.
@serene ingot seems to have accomplished a true simulation of the game, which I gave up on a while ago lol.
There are some known bugs with min/max calculations and some (hopefully minor) performance issues; as always, let us know if you find any bugs!
Lastly, remember that you can re-download the vanilla-only version of this mod from GitHub.

Oh, and I will be looking to create an official release based on this experimental version in the near future!

[cosmic smelt]

This is taking us to the space age

Got this crash when I attempted to use a hanged man on a couple of 3s, it crashed right after the card "pop" sound effect happened

And I removed the mod and it worked, so I can confirm it's the score preview doing it

on the experimental patch, I haven't encountered any actual modded jokers in the run I tested it in yet

[tight rain]

Toggle this during a run crashes the game (I guess you are not supposed to be doing that)

[drowsy gyro]

Factorio reference?! 👀

[drowsy gyro]

100% score preview and not history mod? That error is very odd for experimental preview mod..
Actually, ig preview could somehow interfere with history..??

[tight rain]

Oh also the mod does not like Fibonacci mod

It crash

[cosmic smelt]

I had history mod installed and it didn't happen

Do they use the same DVSettings folder?

[drowsy gyro]

Yeah, that's the idea, should be fine

I think Kek got a fix

[serene ingot]

I promise nothing

I am about to drop a fixed zip
But that's for a separate reason

Main changes are slight optimizations and fixing issues that occur when simulation is triggered in the middle of an event stack.
I believe this will fix your issue @cosmic smelt, but if you could pass me your save.jkr, I would love to make sure.

[cosmic smelt]

Where is that file typically, just the common/Steamapps balatro folder or under Appdata?

oh also, I'm sure this is just cuz it's still in testing but it is still actively logging to console the calc time

No crash tho! It hanged my 3s just fine

*\AppData\Roaming\Balatro\1 is what it looks like

there's both a 1 and a 2 folder, the 2 folder was updated more recently than last year so I'm assuming that's the correct one

This save is after I won the round and went to the shop

@serene ingot

[serene ingot]

Sorry about slow response. I realized I didn't fix the reason it crashes, I just hid it, 😄
I'm gonna see if I can break down why it's breaking.

The Balatro\# are your profiles. So you probably have a 2nd one that's not been touched in a while.

[cosmic smelt]

All good

Yeah that's probably my vanilla profile

I've been on an Unlocked profile while playing with content mods

[serene ingot]

What mods do you have on?

[cosmic smelt]

These currently

Only the Extra Credits mod is content at the moment

[serene ingot]

That explains why it crashes immediately when I load it, XD

[cosmic smelt]

lol

lmk if you can't find the playtesting patch for Extra Credits btw

[serene ingot]

I probably found it. Got the github link and downloading the branch right now

[cosmic smelt]

nice

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1224730080056573972
Also, over on this mod I think more appropriately, but...

[serene ingot]

Yeah... I don't know a good way to prevent that currently, but I'll try it later, 😄

[cosmic smelt]

lol, yeah not the highest priority

[serene ingot]

AHA! Found the error.
Basically, the card getting played is moving to the "play" field, and then I'm trying to calculate how many coins/mult it's worth, which is nil

[cosmic smelt]

ah

[tight rain]

Amazing work!

Unfortunately it's so laggy under my circumstances

[serene ingot]

Yeah, it's a very brute force approach. I'm going to look into ways to speed it up once I work out all the bugs.

[tight rain]

Thank you for your patience

[serene ingot]

@tight rain Got a slightly modified one that will output the simulation times (It also has some bugfixes). I'd like to know what your simulation speed is running at, so I can know how deep of an optimization I'll need to do.
Also, if you're running any mods, I'd like to grab them for "testing purposes" (totally not because I am still learning about all the cool mods out there, and just want to play with them)

[drowsy gyro]

Would you prefer an option to manually trigger a preview/simulation? so that it doesn't get triggered so often?

[tight rain]

that would definitely help

[tight rain]

it's not compatible with cryptid and fibonacci

as they both adds new handtypes

[tight rain]

I am using https://discordapp.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1255696773599592458 with full pack minus love for fibonacci

simulation time is about 200ms

[drowsy gyro]

Do you really need preview for Cryptid?

I don't thing is possible to truly simulate Cryptid and preview score, because of how abusive it is to the game's basic mechanics lol

[brazen night]

Maybe in the modest gameset…

I think compatibility with it would be nice, if possible, although performance would definitely take a big hit

It should probably use its own thread like Talisman does, or maybe auto-disable if it takes too long, for those cases

[drowsy gyro]

I think Cryptid specifically requires some kind of disable mechanism for auto preview yeah, not sure when I'll get around to making it tho

[serene ingot]

Got a new version with a lot of optimizations and fixes. There's still a couple weird issues in some blinds and cards, but the majority are fixed. Also, Divvy added in a setting to stop auto simulations, and you'll be able to hit the "Preview Score" button to run the simulation:

[glacial belfry]

i like this mod, i hope that final release won't be laggy 😇 (or maybe it depends of the amount of mods, idk)

[empty raptor]

is this with cryptid?

[glacial belfry]

No, I don't have it. Instead I have other mods

[empty raptor]

ah i see

im new to baaltro modding community, any you recomend?

[glacial belfry]

Of course, there's plenty of it

like Pokermon, SDM_0's stuff, Ceres

Celeste Card Collection, Jank Jonklers, Maximus, Pampa Joker Pack, Reverie, Unstable are also mods that I can recommend

Also I'd recommend this:

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1255696773599592458

[empty raptor]

thank you

[glacial belfry]

you're welcome

[elder viper]

trying both the newer, experimental version as well as the 3.2 version on github either makes all my hands just. be 0x0 by default, or it crashes the game, and this is on a new run with no content mods, so i'm not really sure what's going on

nevermind, disabling talisman worked LMAO

[frosty spruce]

I'm running into some crashes with this mod, using both the version on github and the v3 experimental version posted above. Removing the mod makes the crashes go away, so it definitely seems to be this mod causing it. Here are the mods I'm using (with Score Preview removed)

[frosty spruce]

Testing this a bit further, it looks like I get a crash reliably whenever a Diet Cola joker comes across my shop. Captured a few crash logs I can share if needed.

[frosty spruce]

Scratch the above, the Diet Cola crash seems to be caused by Tag Preview, which is unfortunate. I will keep testing to see if I run into crashes elsewhere.

[fringe thorn]

I have a boss blind that is supposed to check for is_face for all the cards, but with this mod installed something that isn't playing cards is most likely passed to the cards field of debuff_hand of the blind functions, resulting in game crash:

The releases page says to not report incompatibilities of Jokers not working, but this one is a crash and not even Joker related, so figured it'd be worth reporting

[deep halo]

https://github.com/DivvyCr/Balatro-Preview/issues/46

[restive belfry]

Anyone know why I'm getting a lovely injector crash that seems linked to this mod?

[tight rain]

Which version you are using?

[restive belfry]

of this mod? The latest one on it's github I believe.

[tight rain]

Try this one

[restive belfry]

good call! the experimental one with DV settings, simulate, and preview gets the game to load! I have other mod crash issues but this one aint it now thanks

[spark parrot]

Does anyone know how to change it to the button as described? ^^ Found it, lol

I'm hoping it will fix some freezes and crashes I've been having on the experimental when selecting cards in my hand under certain circumstances.
I.e. 2s when owning Wee Joker or Lucky cards when owning Lucky cat

Okay, something about Deluxe Tarots isnt playing nice with this mod.
When not running the experimental, selecting any card in my hand would cause it to crash. With the experimental, its mostly playable except for circumstances similar to my examples above.

[deep halo]

Could there be an option to obfuscate the score on the hook to make it less cheaty?

I know there's been an issue about previewing min/max scores on hook but I'm honestly fine with completely hiding it

[obtuse sandal]

hello every time i intstall this mod and t ry to run it i get a crash. even if trying to run it alone. any ideas why?

[deep halo]

you have to use releases instead of direct download/git clone

[deep halo]

also another thing is that face down cards with held in hand effects do not hide the score

[obtuse sandal]

i did that and get the 3 files. but it always just crashes immediately

please help this mod is so helpful. it was working earlier today and then i fiddled with things now i cant get it to cooperate at all

here is the error:

[obtuse sandal]

@deep halo do you know what the error is here?

[obtuse sandal]

can anyone pls help???

[obtuse sandal]

sorted. downgraded v. of smod

[humble heath]

@obtuse sandalhey bro. i met the same problem like u. then i try the EXPERIMENTAL-V2.5 and finally work! but the v3 cant work .its weird
#1221215713910325330 message

[obtuse sandal]

what version of steamodded do you have ?

[humble heath]

1.0.0~BETA-0320a-STEAMODDED
u remind me to update the smod releases version(1.0.0 beta (0312b)) and perview mod v3.2 is work! is me used the wrong version. so sry😭

[obtuse sandal]

Nice! No worries

[steady goblet]

Started getting this crash recently, disabled all other mods but no luck.

turns out issue is from the smod update released recently.

[restive belfry]

Anyone know why the V3 experimental of Preview and the latest Steamodded leads to this crash upon selecting cards? Actually even the stable 3.2 on github version of preview causes the same crash...

[restive belfry]

Just a heads up that the experimental v2.5 here doesn't cause this crash!

[jaunty trellis]

@drowsy gyro wdyt of adding ur mod to balatro mod manager?

#1339375696254074942

[drowsy gyro]

I should, but no idea when I'll get to it

Could be this weekend could be in a month xd

[deep halo]

anyone can do it, actually, doesn't have to be the mod's developer

[halcyon fulcrum]

Hey just thought i should mention this here, the mod is no longer compatible with the latest release of SMODS

used this on version 0315b, upgraded today to 0323b and causes the game to crash with this error

I checked each mod one by one, its when i enabled this mod that i got this crash

@drowsy gyro

[radiant nest]

I saw a similar error earlier today with a different setup

[winged lodge]

I also had that error

someone posted what appears to be a fix - I tried it last week and haven't noticed any issues since
https://github.com/DivvyCr/Balatro-Preview/issues/47#issuecomment-2780635152

[halcyon fulcrum]

thank you

the fix for those who wander into here later witth the same issue

[drowsy gyro]

Hey everyone, long time 👋 I'm back and I just updated the mod to v4.0, which doesn't have that many features, but there was a big restructure. Now instead of essentially downloading three mods in one, there's only one mod folder! Some of you might already see that this sholud be compatible with BMM now, sooo... we'll see if/when that happens.

It's been a while since the last release, so please report any bugs here. I'll try to be on top of them.

Please read the updated installation instructions
https://github.com/DivvyCr/Balatro-Preview/releases/tag/v4.0

[halcyon fulcrum]

Is the previous bug fixed in this version?

[drowsy gyro]

I think so, yeah

[halcyon fulcrum]

Awesome!

[winged lodge]

anyone else getting crashes with dvhistory now? it happened post-upgrade when I opened the menu on a run I had started the other day

I'll probably do some testing later by disabling everything else when I can get back to my PC again, but I figured I'd check in

[carmine turret]

is it possible to reduce the timer before it shows ur score or? like 1 second or maybe even no countdown

[drowsy gyro]

Yes, you can set it to 0,3,5,10,20,30 sec

Go to settings and look in the 'Other' tab

@carmine turret

[drowsy gyro]

Did you re-install the history mod?

See here: https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1224730080056573972

[carmine turret]

ah ty, i was looking in mods for config

some mods have config there, my bad

[drowsy gyro]

Yeah, I can see how that's confusing. I'm just not using Steamodded for my mod so I can't put settings there

[carmine turret]

i dont see other tab

oh nvm

[winged lodge]

oop I'll move my comment over there

[drowsy gyro]

You installed the MP version. That one disables customisations because it's meant for use in Multiplayer

[carmine turret]

ah i c

[drowsy gyro]

Go to the link again and download DVPreview_v4-0 (not DVPreview_MP_v4-0)

[carmine turret]

ayt np, il have both cuz i play mp time t time

[drowsy gyro]

Don't download both lol

That will break them

[carmine turret]

i thought i could just disable the sp version when im not playing mp

[drowsy gyro]

Unfortunately the whole point is to have them separate, so you'll have to switch them every time

(ie. move one mod out of the Mods folder to use the other)

[carmine turret]

i c

[drowsy gyro]

If you could just disable the MP version, then we can't check for 'cheating' 😕

Bit annoying ye

[carmine turret]

so i cant use non mp in mp

like it wont load or how it works

[drowsy gyro]

Your opponent will see that you're using non-MP and can complain

But I think there might be better checks in place too

Oh, and for the time being, the mod isn't officially approved lol

[carmine turret]

ah i c, so ig non mp just has no timer

[drowsy gyro]

We need to wait for them to have a look 🤞

[carmine turret]

i c

[drowsy gyro]

Bumping this message so people don't have to scroll.

(New release v4.0 🎉)

[radiant nest]

You can still use config tabs when steamodded is present and just fallback to the games settings when it's not (see what DebugPlus and Talisman do)

[drowsy gyro]

Sure, but I don't want to tangle with Smods at all because that would increase the amount of maintenance I'll have to do

[radiant nest]

imma be honest I touched my config once sicne I set it up and that was to rework it to have mutliple tabs. You can use the same code for generating the config tab

and it's a muture api so it hasn't changed in any way

[terse lily]

reported a problem earlier today; talisman no workie with this mod right now

[halcyon fulcrum]

also score colors are off when you have manual toggle on

no longer golden when your score exceeds blind requirement

[cosmic smelt]

v4.0 is goated you rule Divvy ❤️

[cosmic smelt]

I got this error when I pressed the Preiew Score button, idk if it's a mod conflict tho cuz I have a handful of others installed

it says trying to compare to nil, and I hadn't played a hand that round yet, but idk what it's meant to do instead

regular "always shown" preview is fine

[drowsy gyro]

Hey everyone, long time (again) 👋 I've just updated the mod to v4.1 and I might've cooked... because we should have Talisman compatibility?!, as well as latest SMODS compatibility and hopefully fewer crashes as a result of this.

Reminder that there's a new structure, so as I said for v4.0: "Now instead of essentially downloading three mods in one, there's only one mod folder! Some of you might already see that this should be compatible with BMM now, sooo... we'll see if/when that happens."

As always, report any crashes and bugs here, but no guarantees that I'll get to fixing them in any sort of timely manner.
Disclaimer: I've literally done zero play-testing, so there might be a lot of crashes. The fixes I did just feel like they should allow Talisman and SMODS compatibility.

Please read the updated installation instructions
https://github.com/DivvyCr/Balatro-Preview/releases/tag/v4.1

[terse lily]

YES

[cosmic smelt]

Infinite thanks once more 🙏🙏💕

[drowsy gyro]

I can't believe you're still active here 😂 Sorry for the really slow fixes/updates 🙏

[cosmic smelt]

literally apologizing for raining in the desert

[cosmic smelt]

Question, where do I go for the settings/config for the mod? I have installed the latest release (both regular and BMM version) and the basic Settings menu is empty, as well as the mod menu screen under it

[drowsy gyro]

Should be the in-game settings in the new "Other" tab?

[cosmic smelt]

this is what I see, might be mod conflict

OHM

[drowsy gyro]

Scroll left/right on the bottom there

[cosmic smelt]

me dumby

I was confusing that little arrow set with the one here

[drowsy gyro]

Nah it's not that obvious looking at it now

Yeah makes sense

[cosmic smelt]

Thanks for opening my eyes to the possibilities of navigating UI correctly 🤩

[drowsy gyro]

I should make the left/right thing a different colour maybe

[cosmic smelt]

I think it's just not clear that thing is switching between menus for each different mod

[drowsy gyro]

Yeah agreed

[cosmic smelt]

like if it had the name of the mod that would be clearer I think

[radiant nest]

if you need multiple pages you can copy the DebugPlus config code

Works like so

[drowsy gyro]

My main goal with my settings was to make them fit in with the game's settings seamlessly.

Hence no nested windows and varying window sizes, so I think a different left/right scroll colour makes the most sense with that approach. (And maybe an extra label or some spacing)

I'll need to have a look at what colour the game uses for alternative actions...

[deep halo]

fit in with the game's settings seamlessly.
When everyone tries to do that you end up with settings window wider than the entire screen

there isn't really an easy solution for this though

I made my settings tab just an icon so it's more compact

[drowsy gyro]

Yeah, that's why I tried to make my settings implementation a separate mod/library that's easy to integrate into other mods.

I just then proceeded to move on from Balatro modding for the most part, so I never went ahead with integrating/promoting it xd

I think the smods approach is great tbh, but I just don't need nor want that dependency. If I had to rely on smods then I'd happily use their menu.

I assume DebugPlus is in the same boat as me so ideally we use the same settings tab. I'm not suggesting to use mine since I'm mostly inactive, but I think we'll all agree that the idea makes sense.

[radiant nest]

Mine dynamically goes to eeither the settings menu or smods

talisman does the same too

smod's api is basically the same as the vanilla one

if you only have one tab you can just set config_tab to a function

[drowsy gyro]

Sure, my point was about avoiding smods altogether and more generally unifying non-smods settings.

Again, not my place to make any headway on this, just clarifying my original idea.

[radiant nest]

I see

Generally I don't think many people play without smods. I've never gotten a bug report from someone with DebugPlus without vanilla, although maybe score preivew is used a but more without it

[drowsy gyro]

True, but also I'm thinking if you do non-smods settings then you might as well keep your settings there always for UX consistency lol

(but then again, since most people use smods then in your case consistent UX is the smods settings)

[radiant nest]

yeah that and also if eveyr mod kept it's tab in there it would get quite large in cases where it doesn't need to be