Cryptid - An unbalanced Balatro mod (1) [Old]

[green cove]

your pc is more likely to die from trying to calculate it I feel like

[cobalt valley]

gg

[junior river]

easiest way to make molten lava

[gray elm]

how accurate is the number in bignum and omeganum?

[green cove]

I need ideas for blurred edition 😭

[teal plover]

i need as many editions as i can get

[green cove]

^chips?

[last junco]

retrigger joker to the lrft and right

maybe

i think im gonna give up on white holes

they arent that good of a buff

[green cove]

white hole is X3 your hand level

[last junco]

compared to stuff like more exponentia retriggers

[last junco]

i have like 150 of them

[green cove]

but yes they arent as good as pow mult lol

[last junco]

getting 230 per round

its not worth it

[cobalt valley]

also pot of jokes is like pry one of the better mod rares

[junior river]

just get universum

[last junco]

i mean i have 3 universums

but still

i dont feel like bothering

[junior river]

are they being retriggered

[last junco]

for half of an ee

[last junco]

YOU CAN RETRIGGER THEM?????

[junior river]

im p sure?

[teal plover]

yes, you can.

[green cove]

getting more than 30 negative consumables per round is not worth it

you're not going to use them all

[last junco]

im getting 230 lmao

so yeah

i already get infinity anyway

[granite ibex]

if we have cryptid but stronger

why don't we have cryptid but weaker (for modpacks)

[teal plover]

any of these?

• retrigger neighbouring jokers once, if possible
• ^1.1 chips
• neighbouring jokers mimic this joker

[granite ibex]

^chips is probably stronger as an edition

[green cove]

it would have to work on cards as well

[granite ibex]

than ^mult

[green cove]

there isnt any ^chip jokers tho

[granite ibex]

because chips are typically higher than mult

[teal plover]

then make it work on cards as well

[green cove]

[summer cargo]

blurred edition feels very "mimic the effect of the card to the right"

[granite ibex]

Blue edition

[summer cargo]

(it copies editions/enhancements/etc too if its on a playing card)

[cobalt valley]

i found another ultrathrill

BALL

[teal plover]

funky toooown

[junior river]

^-0.5 to ^2 to values maybe?

[desert thunder]

i cant skip on a spectral pack

pls help i dont wanna hex

[junior river]

game just reaaaally likes hex

it doesnt want you to miss out

[desert thunder]

i have 5 exotics

but ok

[granite ibex]

should be called Death

[cobalt valley]

compound interest best money

[last junco]

True

Also i setup a macro for using my white holes lmao

[cobalt valley]

helllo my best friend

[desert thunder]

i didnt put on disable scoring when i have 3 canvases

pls help

[cobalt valley]

gg

[last junco]

Alt F4 the gale

Game

[desert thunder]

i would but

i wanna see it

[last junco]

Than whats ur issue

[desert thunder]

its taking a while

i think my waluigi has been copied 2e4 times

[cobalt valley]

HAHAHAHHAA

MOOOORE

[desert thunder]

hehehehaha

[pale patio]

Well... I lost track of time....

[desert thunder]

rookie numbers

[cobalt valley]

i need that score

do you happen to know how you got there

[pale patio]

It's making my poor system crawl lol

[last junco]

Why the hell do you have such a low score

[desert thunder]

exactly

[last junco]

Just go onto antimatter and ur getting infinity in an hour

[pale patio]

Hit a ante with shuffle

[desert thunder]

im on antimatter deck rn its pretty fun

[last junco]

Yeah

[pale patio]

And then I just didn't care lol

[last junco]

Especially once yoy get those overstocks running

[cobalt valley]

holy fuck

[desert thunder]

omg

[green cove]

kinda, yeah, but that's so much effort to figure out & implement properly
oh well

[last junco]

Wow

[desert thunder]

what deck

[last junco]

I have 2 1/3.4

[cobalt valley]

where is all 6's 😭

[cobalt valley]

wormhole

[desert thunder]

what that do

[last junco]

That was 1 exotic?

[desert thunder]

oh

that one?

[cobalt valley]

UHHH

I SOLD SOMETHING

[last junco]

You should play equilibrium tbh

[cobalt valley]

i have a couple jokers now

[cobalt valley]

the one that gives 25 slots

[desert thunder]

rookie

oh no

balatro not responding

it crashed

sad

[green cove]

actually there might be an easy way

something like this

[cobalt valley]

bro the game is taking forever to process 😭 😭

1.1e26,007

[desert thunder]

bro mine crashed and it didnt continue

it made me new run

[cobalt valley]

i scored better than you smh

[cobalt valley]

gg

op!!1!11!

[last junco]

bruh

level e 192

[desert thunder]

was it too good

it was when i played a hand

[last junco]

my balatro crashed

lmao

it couldnt handle

[cobalt valley]

should i tho

[last junco]

its good

[desert thunder]

if u want

depends on the run

[last junco]

expenentia with this

is op

i think

[desert thunder]

its not exponential

i think its incremental?

or something

its not times tho

[last junco]

oh no

i think i know whats going on

balatro cant handle flipping 83 cards at once

[cobalt valley]

i'll try it and see if it works lol

[last junco]

wait it worked

[cobalt valley]

i will now create 500000 cards

[last junco]

lmao

ur game will crash

[cobalt valley]

nuhuh

THREE sock and buskins

i just need baron 😎

ha third canvas

ok i will do a smart and not us dna

bad idea

i love how badly the game lags when i play a hand lmao

uh oh it's not responding

boys and girls i won because you see i broke the fucking game

gg it dead

[desert thunder]

balatro keeps crashing because i use the op deck

[cobalt valley]

f

[last junco]

ah yes

what did i do wrong this time

[green cove]

2nd time this happens to me

this is DoE

after reloading run

first time it was on Antimatter deck

and it wasnt the soul

it was a bunch of different enhancements and a seal

[upper veldt]

a small price to pay for double all listed probabilities

oh god

[remote locust]

It’s funny that people think OmegaNum limit is reachable

[green cove]

ngl at this point I'm not sure if this is even that interesting, on jokers it just turns a joker into a blueprint, maybe on playing cards it's somewhat unique, but Idk
like if you have all blurred then everything is just the rightmost joker/card 😭

[upper veldt]

what if the blurred edition fluctuated joker values between 0.5x and 5x or so

[green cove]

like changes every round?

that could be cool

[remote locust]

functions/misc_functions.lua:1862: attempt to index field 'vars' (a nil value)
``` i hovered over Typhoon, I have most recent commits on Cryptid, Talisman, & Steamodded. anyone know how to fix this error?

[teal plover]

that's only if you make it outright replace the blurred card's original effect

[green cove]

I think aure changed something with tooltips, someone else already had this error I believe

[remote locust]

i don't have aura

[green cove]

not aura

aure

[strange oxide]

me

[green cove]

[remote locust]

k

[strange oxide]

although I don't think I did?

[remote locust]

so just wait for a fix

[green cove]

well, didn't you send a PR for something info queue related

yesterday

Pretty sure this just started happening today

[strange oxide]

I did do a thing where vanilla cards use card.ability instead of center.config, but this shouldn't affect modded cards

[green cove]

hm

will have to test with different versions of steamodded to see if that caused it

[subtle nova]

Its a command for the command line. You are literally in the section telling you to use the command line

[random condor]

my balatro crashes on obsidian orb for some reason

[upper pendant]

thats an ice age crash

are you using the latest cryptid?

[random condor]

think so

heres my jokers if that helps

playing on misprint

crashes whenever i try to play a hand

oooooh theres a new version

lemme check that one out first

yeah no it still crashes

[gray elm]

universum not working

[upper pendant]

uh oh

[clear hare]

[gray elm]

might be mod incompatibility because im using dimserene's modpack

[green cove]

youll have to update steamodded but your save is bricked as soon as you do that

[random condor]

ah alright

im just gonna start a new run then

[green cove]

uh also don't use the very latest steamodded

Because it broke typhoon

tooltip

can only check in like an hour

[random condor]

and now we wait

[gray elm]

also is stencil not affected by glitched and the like?

[clear hare]

I guess not!

[random condor]

just got e3.8e9 score 😅

[karmic wraith]

ok i saw some gameplay of this mod, it seems very unbalanced... in a fun way! i just hope my pc doesn't melt itself

[random condor]

LOOOOL CANVAS IS BUSTED

[grim tendon]

yea no shit its the unbalanced mod

[random condor]

||i didnt think itd retrigger the perkolator||

[oak wigeon]

brb I thought I had enough points for violet vessel but I only got 170k while switching cards and I lost 😭

[weak burrow]

||it copies everything that's blueprint compatible||

[weak burrow]

@random condor that's for you

[random condor]

DAMN!

[weak burrow]

So have fun with that xd

[random condor]

i wonder how badly its gonna lag if i ||copy speculo||

[weak burrow]

Oh it's going to be bad

[random condor]

yeah i dont wanna blow up my pc

NOT takin that risk thank you very much

[weak burrow]

Eh it's fun to try though

[random condor]

i have a pretty low end device so like

not risking all that 😭

[weak burrow]

Ah

Understandable

[hoary flume]

Error

Syntax error: game.lua:3768: 'end' expected (to close 'function' at line 2111) near '<eof>'

Traceback

[C]: at 0x7ffbf33728f0
[C]: in function 'require'
main.lua:16: in main chunk
[C]: in function 'require'
[C]: in function 'xpcall'
[C]: in function 'xpcall'

Any suggestions>

?

[random condor]

positive joker

mult tetration when 🤔

[clear hare]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1262697083438235729

There’s some ideas but I’m debating just making them ^Mult

[random condor]

ee308 is diabolical

[clear hare]

Or maybe making multiple ^^Mult at once because I don’t like the idea of adding just one of them and then it suddenly becomes required for hitting e10#10000

[remote locust]

Personally I think they shouldn’t be scaling

Also do you have tetration functions for BigNum and OmegaNum

[summer cargo]

i think tetration function for bignum might straight up just be "= inf"

[clear hare]

Just OmegaNum

I want to port them over to BigNum tho before release

Maybe add hyperoperator API

And move XChips/retrigger to steamodded

[remote locust]

Why not just an api for operators in general

[remote locust]

Nah in various cases tetration will stay under ee308

[clear hare]

Time to add operator API to Steamodded :D

[remote locust]

actually?

[clear hare]

Maybe

I mean calculation API is looking to be reworked anyway so…

[hoary flume]

Anyone else get this?

[upper veldt]

send the entire log

(is that the entire log?)

[green cove]

go to mods/lovely/dump and screenshot lines around 2111 in file game.lua

also it might be mod incompatibility

what other mods do u have

[jaunty scarab]

Seeing the first part of the logs can also verify if a regex patch failed or not.

[green cove]

oh right

in mods/lovely/logs find the most recent file and scroll up until the first line

[hoary flume]

INFO - [♥] Lovely 0.5.0-beta6
INFO - [♥] Game directory is at "M:\Downloads\Balatro 2\Balatro\Balatro"
INFO - [♥] Writing logs to "C:\Users\mrunm\AppData\Roaming\Balatro\Mods\lovely\log"
INFO - [♥] Using mod directory at "C:\Users\mrunm\AppData\Roaming\Balatro\Mods"
INFO - [♥] Cleaning up dumps directory at "C:\Users\mrunm\AppData\Roaming\Balatro\Mods\lovely\dump"
INFO - [♥] Initialization complete in 251ms
INFO - [♥] Applied 6 patches to 'main.lua'
INFO - [♥] Applied 2 patches to 'engine/string_packer.lua'
INFO - [♥] Applied 3 patches to 'engine/controller.lua'
INFO - [♥] Applied 14 patches to 'back.lua'
INFO - [♥] Applied 4 patches to 'tag.lua'
INFO - [♥] Applied 2 patches to 'engine/moveable.lua'
INFO - [♥] Applied 1 patch to 'engine/sprite.lua'
INFO - [♥] Applied 20 patches to 'functions/misc_functions.lua'
INFO - [♥] Applied 41 patches to 'game.lua'
INFO - [G] Error: Syntax error: game.lua:3768: 'end' expected (to close 'function' at line 2111) near '<eof>'

stack traceback:
[string "boot.lua"]:777: in function <[string "boot.lua"]:773>
[C]: at 0x7ffbf34d28f0
[C]: in function 'require'
main.lua:16: in main chunk
[C]: in function 'require'
[string "boot.lua"]:570: in function <[string "boot.lua"]:380>
[C]: in function 'xpcall'
[string "boot.lua"]:787: in function <[string "boot.lua"]:780>
[C]: in function 'xpcall'

[hoary flume]

Steamodded 1.0.0 and Talisman only

[green cove]

when was last time you updated steamodded

and cryptid

[hoary flume]

just installed it today

both

[slow pilot]

so what does that cat tag do?

[clear hare]

meow

[wary pasture]

yes

[slow pilot]

lol

[subtle nova]

Had a terrible idea. Actusl missprint joker: does all joker effects

[wary pasture]

or does a random joker effect with an extra/different condition

[slow pilot]

lmao started a lucky deck game got lucky cat shop one then lucky joker shop 2

[oak herald]

shop 3: oops all 6s

[slow pilot]

i wish lmao

[soft night]

@brave ibex in case you need

[brave ibex]

alright

[slow pilot]

sadge beat ante 8 then when i went to ante 9 it started crashing

[brave ibex]

yeah there a bit of an endless issue

it's known

[slow pilot]

oh okay fair enough

[brave ibex]

least buggy universum interaction:

[soft night]

lul

NOVA DRIFT SPOTTED

:D

[short portal]

wheres the download

ok ive got the folder but how download, dont have steammodded installed i think

[frozen geyser]

what is causing this?

seems as though lovely is having an issue

[soft night]

speaking of nova drift, i went ahead and redid the art i made for an ND-inspired joker:

Warp Strike (Uncommon?)
Aces and 2s are considered the same rank. Ace Straights can wrap around (ex. Q, K, A, 2, 3)

[frozen geyser]

apparently there's a patch missing and i'm unsure what to do. I just wanted to have some fun with a broken mod not a "broken" mod

[brave ibex]

can you send your mod folder

[jaunty scarab]

Update lovely

[brave ibex]

nvm do this instead

[frozen geyser]

thx

ill get back to you if that worked

[brave ibex]

got number blocks on stoner deck 😭

[dusty plover]

i mean maybe it’ll work

you can get straights with all stones so maybe number blocks can find the ranks hidden under the rubble

[brave ibex]

i think you are on the wrong thread xd

[karmic wraith]

ik now xd

[brave ibex]

peak though

[grim tendon]

was for re;shuffled ig

[karmic wraith]

fucking discord, it crashed out of nowhere and it sent me here lmao

[karmic wraith]

thanks

[dusty plover]

sent to the cryptid dimension

[grim tendon]

cryptid is so strong it has cards that send you here

[dusty plover]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-skibidi-toilet-omni-man-classic-the-classic-gif-144506440489972333

this but cryptid

[slow pilot]

seems normal

[grim tendon]

yep

normal

[grim tendon]

also normal

[karmic wraith]

how does that even work

[brave ibex]

i think it crashes

the game doesn't really like fractional ante

[dusty plover]

it shouldn’t no?

it’s never crashed for me with a fractional ante

maybe i’m just lucky idk

[silver cobalt]

Im pretty sure you just can never win tho

[brave ibex]

people have had issues with it so it's something related

[frozen geyser]

I have a new problem

[brave ibex]

maybe it's only an issue with heiroglyph

[frozen geyser]

why is my screenshot blurry?

[dusty plover]

send your mods folder rq

need to see smth

[brave ibex]

discord compressing, dw about it

[dusty plover]

check if you have nested folders (ie. a cryptid folder within the cryotid folder)

do that for talisman and cryptid

and also steamodded but that shouldn’t be the issue

[frozen geyser]

guessing that the lovely folder inside the mod is a problem

[dusty plover]

nope i don’t think that’s an issue?

[frozen geyser]

nvm thats supposed to be there

[dusty plover]

did you check for the nested folders? if so were there any?

[dusty plover]

hmm

[frozen geyser]

talisman

[dusty plover]

idk what the issue was if there weren’t any nested folders

[frozen geyser]

steammodded

[brave ibex]

hmm

[frozen geyser]

I may need to reinstall steam modded

it does not help that my antivirus does not like steammodded because the installer is an injector

[slow pilot]

my score was so high it gave me 1

[summer cargo]

Sorry Nothing

[short portal]

help

it crashes every time i try to play the game

not fun

[slow pilot]

send screencap of mods folder

[short portal]

i think my talisman isnt in properly

[slow pilot]

remove the -main f rom cryptid and steammodded

[short portal]

ok cheers

ill see if it works

still doesnt

[slow pilot]

do you have the version.dll of lovely in your main balatro folder

[short portal]

i sorted it out

there was an extra "Talisman- copy" folder in my talisman and i moved it to mod folder and renamed it

new one

was trying to play on the misprint deck and this happened when opening the shop

[brave ibex]

yeah i think it's a planet pool bug

someone else had this same issue

[short portal]

damn

[pale patio]

Same

[clear hare]

A crash message would be helpful

Ante 80 obsidian orb is evil

[frozen geyser]

I fixed it!

wait

[karmic wraith]

what the fuck? polychrome consumables?

[remote locust]

merely scratches the surface

[karmic wraith]

i know, i saw some stuff, but how do polychrome consumables work?

[remote locust]

x1.5 Mult

[karmic wraith]

oh, so just observatory voucher except no restrictions

[remote locust]

yes

[frozen geyser]

now cryptid isnt working :/

[random condor]

e1926? rookie numbers

[remote locust]

not even #s

[frozen geyser]

like its literally in the mods folder but its not loading when I launch the game

[brave ibex]

are you on steamodded 1.0.0

[pale patio]

i mean.... i was pushing ~e29000 hands so

which isnt really all that much

but still

[random condor]

its really easy to get e1eX+

[pale patio]

yea

[remote locust]

rookie numbers

[pale patio]

its just the problem is my joker setup was a bit weird and i couldnt really correct it after it blew up

[frozen geyser]

where do I get that? because the latest version on the official page is 0.9.8

[random condor]

True...

whats the best way to score

is it with ||double scale exponentia + retriggers||?

[brave ibex]

same page, but download the source code instead of the release

[frozen geyser]

ok

[pale patio]

i had duplicate create jollys and +joker slots on rerolls with 5 or more jollys...

[remote locust]

avergae cryptid run:

[pale patio]

which then went down a spiral of jolly spam and i could no longer really see my jokers lol

[clear hare]

#1262697083438235729 message
What people think the average Cryptid run is:

[frozen geyser]

thanks

[brave ibex]

np

[grizzled trellis]

I've hit infinity x infinity score on my planet cards.

Was gonna see how far i could go but then I got bored at ante 90 of so

Great mod

[brave ibex]

yeah some of the decks end up being like that lol

[remote locust]

you can raise the score limit

to a number so high you will never reach it

[clear hare]

I think it breaks when the hand level hits e308 anyway

Since those don’t use bignums (yet)

[remote locust]

oof

[grizzled trellis]

It would take forever to hit level e308 with the tech as of now

Right now I'm playing some "classic" gold stake on the infinity deck but I suck at gold stake so it hasn't been going amazing

[clear hare]

Infinity Deck is also relatively weak

even with the +1 Hand Size buff you still have to go out of your way a bit to utilize its ability

[grizzled trellis]

I mean yeah it's not horrible though. I'd probably put it around the magic deck.

[brave ibex]

Murphy did pretty good with it though

[clear hare]

I think +1 is fair considering painted trades +2 for a Joker slot

[grizzled trellis]

Also wish it processed pair based hands a little better
Like if i play 3 pairs why does that only score as a pair,

[clear hare]

It was originally without that, which made it pretty weak

[clear hare]

Yeah I didn’t alter the vanilla hand calculation at all, so it doesn’t like certain things

[grizzled trellis]

fair enough ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[soft night]

what do we think

[remote locust]

so if i have Four Fingers A A 3 4 is a valid straight?

(and this joker ofc)

[soft night]

yep

so is AAKQ

lol

with shortcut you can make 4AQ10 a straight LMAO

probably

if it doesnt work that way then 3AQ10

[silver cobalt]

Just got the worst idea ever

Slay the Spire but Gambling - Challenge

Start with 50 hands and 0 discards, hands no longer give money, hands no longer refresh, after every hand discard all cards and redraw a totally new hand, you may only select a maximum of 3 cards

[soft night]

lmao

[silver cobalt]

More could be done to make it more slay the spire like but im pretty sure you just wouldnt be able to read it

[snow rivet]

I noticed there's an unnamed Tet Mult Edition in the sheet. What does Astral2 look like? We could probably workshop a name from there.

[random condor]

i wish the mult sounds wouldnt go higher in pitch

like theyd loop around at a certain point

oh no

[snow rivet]

Or maybe it'd start making 1-UP noises XD

[random condor]

TRUE

is this optimal?

[grizzled trellis]

I like the new enditions, though I wish they had a wheel of fortune and aura equivalent so you could force them onto your jokers and cards.

[clear hare]

Blueprints are best on the left

Of all the canvases

[random condor]

thanks

wish we could also get the game speed up

instead of just 4 in case we wanted to see the whole scoring

i like the funny noises D:

[clear hare]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1258019898244993096

[random condor]

woah

does this work with steamodded 1.0.0

or whatever the version is

[clear hare]

Yes

[random condor]

yippee

[random condor]

shenanigans

[weak burrow]

Shouldn't iterum be left? You get more card activations so more xmult so more exponentia

[brave ibex]

not for high card

maybe moving like one would be better but anymore than that is unoptimal if you are playing only 1 card

[mystic raft]

Speculo canvas perkeo white hole works pretty fast

[summer cargo]

hmm, according to the math it would only be 647 white holes in order to exceed e308

time to test this in debug mode

[deep kite]

aeiou

[vestal seal]

its ultrakill but i had the same thought

fucking love that band

[hollow berry]

hell yeah

gybe nerds unite

[deep kite]

john madden

[soft night]

fun fact

thats where the name comes from

[wary pasture]

i got a non-negative joker on negative deck :0 (though invis joker)

How'd i lose?

[summer cargo]

hand size 0/-46

[wary pasture]

lol what

[clear hare]

Negative playing card API is weird

[summer cargo]

iirc negative cards effectively give you -1 permanent hand size when destroyed rn

[clear hare]

I think it’s a steamodded issue but sometimes they all give you -1 hand size instead of +1 hand size

[wary pasture]

i used the rank spectral which gives -1 hand size

[clear hare]

One vote away from Jolly Joker beating out Misprint in #📊・polls!

[wary pasture]

I voted Jolly already T_T

[clear hare]

Thank you chat

[remote locust]

i simply don't like Misprint

[summer cargo]

it reduced the flush to 0x1

and trying to use another white hole sets level to nan instead of inf

Also it seems like if you have multiple Primuses, only one of them actually scales?

sometimes???

i think double scale might just not like multiple primii

i love numbers

[deep kite]

Imagine an M tarot that changes the next boss blind to be the Manacle

[clear hare]

Why are the planet levels not using Big
That happens randomly and idk why

[deep kite]

And then on ante 8 there's a new showdown blind where it's -5 hand size or something

[remote locust]

YO

[deep kite]

Or you start with -2

And then each go down

For each hand you lose hand size

[clear hare]

Noir Silence

[deep kite]

Cruel manacle

[clear hare]

that’s from myst blinds and has a manacle-like effect

[remote locust]

well, about that

cruel Blinds Shackle used to be -3 Hand Size but i decided it was too cruel

so it was bumped down to -2

[deep kite]

But yeah m for manacle

[summer cargo]

when does this switch over to "eeXXXXX"? ee1,000,000?

[soft night]

cant wait for when the blazing fury final boss blind gets added for the 1 in 2 chance for echo cards to not trigger at all

🔥

[remote locust]

that sounds super easy

[soft night]

0.5x steel cards:

-3$ gold cards:

-20 mult lucky cards:

[remote locust]

what?

[soft night]

it reverses enhanced cards

[remote locust]

oh

oh no

[soft night]

-50 chip stone cards

[remote locust]

but then again that won't effect some players

[remote locust]

has all ranks and all suits:

[soft night]

thats the point tbh

some builds naturally counter p much everything

different per

[remote locust]

high card builds:

[soft night]

like theres a build archetype that counters every final boss

[jagged garden]

4 in 1 chance to break Glass Cards

[remote locust]

good builds tend to counter violet vessel

[soft night]

imagine getting this on ante 7 before blazing fury

hope you have enough time to respec

this one feels the most interesting of all the ones i suggested tbh

sure you can still interact with everything in joker and consumables but good luck seeing it when it's invisible

[silver cobalt]

We dont know lol

[soft night]

well

a step up from astral would probably be something crazy

[snow rivet]

Oh you haven't planned that yet either?

[soft night]

i'm thinking it should look like the card itself is recursively collapsing into itself

so we can call it Fractal

[snow rivet]

That or make it look like space and call it Cosmic. Or would that work better for a Pow Chips Edition?

[soft night]

prolly ^chips

astral is already spacey

so i think the next step up should break reality lol

[subtle nova]

Can't make straights

[brave ibex]

new m just dropped

[random condor]

how do i get more than ee308

my game just says Infinity when i pass it

[brave ibex]

that is the highest stable version

talisman source code has a new number system if you want that but it might still have issues

[oak herald]

do you think eee6 or something is possible currently

[brave ibex]

especially regarding compatibility

[clear hare]

If you have latest Cryptid release files you can change it in Settings > Spectral Pack > Talisman

You’ll need to restart the game and start a new run though

[clear hare]

Yes

That’s about the limit

[oak herald]

can't wait for jen's almanac to release so we can start getting #

[clear hare]

Might be able to get a bit higher with double scale duping tech (when you dupe a joker it treats the modified values as the originals)

(So you could get like an ^e300 Exponentia)

[compact pawn]

what does it mean when it's e4e100 for instance?

[bleak parcel]

Played this mod for a few hours. What were you cooking

[brave ibex]

idek when the cutoff is

[bleak parcel]

Also if you get that one exotic and copy way too many negative jokers at once, the game is softlocked

[clear hare]

e[number with 100 digits]

[bleak parcel]

It's some endless stairwell shit lol

[clear hare]

Speculo Canvas my beloved

[bleak parcel]

Literally ends the run lol

Deck of equilibrium is like omega busted even for this mod

[remote locust]

We SO need tetrational scaling

[grizzled trellis]

I was able to get 1k jokers before my game died

[brave ibex]

i feel like i'm missing something 😭

[clear hare]

ngl I think it would be fine if we add a few at once of equal power

[bleak parcel]

Even adding 200 jokers softlocks the game lol

With speculo

[clear hare]

Because if I just add Omnia Quarteria that’s just gonna be the new exponentia

[remote locust]

I mean ante scaling

[clear hare]

Oh

Yeah

[brave ibex]

just add more op bosses

[clear hare]

Maybe post ante 39?

[bleak parcel]

It's so funny watching people play this, find a random rare and go "this is broken" and then 2 hours later they realize that was actually tame in comparison

[brave ibex]

and force orb at a certain point

[clear hare]

Someone got ante 80 orb and it ended up crashing them

[remote locust]

Maybe tetration scaling starts at ante 39 for white stake

[grizzled trellis]

While I'm here, curious.
Is there any protection to getting tax+needle on orb? Or isnit not an insta loss

[brave ibex]

i think it might be a universum crash

[clear hare]

There is

[brave ibex]

i got a few of those when I was testing things

[bleak parcel]

Oh also the one boss blind that takes you to a multiple of 8 is so BS luchador doesn't even work

[remote locust]

And on faster scaling tetrational scaling starts on earlier and earlier antes.

[compact pawn]

also my hands for 3 of a kind before rebooting on the antimatter deck was infinity x infinity

[brave ibex]

nice

[oak herald]

if you ask me

exponential scaling can kick in at ante 39

tetrational can kick in at 80

[remote locust]

Scaling is already exponential

Like in vanilla

[oak herald]

uhhhh

extra exponential scaling

[dusty plover]

that’s tetrational

[remote locust]

Well double exponential is a seperate thing

[brave ibex]

exponential + 1 scaling

[compact pawn]

i'm not even at ante 39 and i'm getting this as my score lmao so I think it needs to scale earlier

[oak herald]

ante 39 is at e309, by ante 49, you could have the score reqiurement be e1000-2000 or something

[remote locust]

That’s not gonna work

[brave ibex]

i still think best solution is to force obsidian orb

[remote locust]

People get double e super quickly and are basically set for literally everything

[bleak parcel]

Very nicely organized jokers

I can't be bothered

[grizzled trellis]

I mean tbf you can just stay out of high antes forever so I don't see any harm in crazy scaling at like ante 16

[remote locust]

Chicot

[oak herald]

gotta consider regular non DoE/antimatter runs

[brave ibex]

make more blinds fr

trust the process

[remote locust]

Note tetraitonal scaling means the amount of “e”s rises linearly

[clear hare]

ngl I might just hardcode ante 40-?? scaling

But based on that principle

[grizzled trellis]

I think the point whetr without talisman the game gets to nan-inf makes sense

[brave ibex]

yeah it's around ante40

39

[clear hare]

That’s equal to what I proposed (ante 39 is unbeatable)

[brave ibex]

but is this really an issue yet

i think only the 3 op decks ever get that far in the first place

[remote locust]

i think double exponential scaling is good.

double to triple to quadruple...

wait thats just tetrarion

[clear hare]

Maybe something along the lines of:
49 = e1000000
59 = ee20
69 = ee308

Moved around if tetration is added

[remote locust]

evil stake idea:

the ante scaling adapts to the amount your average hand scales

[clear hare]

rip googol play card builds

[bleak parcel]

does blank deck actually have a secret

[soft night]

it will

antimatter deck will be gated behind its gold stake

[compact pawn]

and that run is over, game crashed rip

had to sell one of the 3 non negative consumables to get a fool card to get a wheel of fortune lmao

one of 3 out of 469 cards

I dunno about you guys but I think the mod's a tiny bit overpowered, maybe. /joke

[brave ibex]

lol

try some of the less gamebreaking decks

like the suit decks, still pretty wild but not gamecrashing powerfull

lots of fun

[umbral dagger]

Or try out the higher stakes on a vanilla deck, that's what I mostly do on cryptid tbh, op antimatter runs ruin the fps too fast

[brave ibex]

even a normal run with just the bosses are intersting tbh

lots of intersting ones

[solemn pine]

That's pretty true lol there's lots of absolutely broken cards but that can make it a bit better but only so much ig I'm thinking of all of the broken cards in it like Waluigi but he's cool!!! XD

[brave ibex]

waaah

[solemn pine]

Having access to Canvas, Chad, and Waluigi absolutely destroyed my game LOL!!! XDD

[silver cobalt]

A true joker

[solemn pine]

I kept going to around ante 74 but the scaling of the bosses is absolutely nothing compared to scores like 1e500,000,000 that's when I turn off animations and yes it's very laggy too!!! X)

[brave ibex]

speaking of bosses i've got Matador Compat working properly now

[solemn pine]

OOO congratulations!!!! :DDD

[brave ibex]

it wasn't that hard lol

[sonic sandal]

i cannot use a majority of the tarot cards i get

playing misprint deck if that helps

[vestal seal]

they likely are able to trigger on <1 card

[sonic sandal]

can you clarify what you mean

i do notice most of them say 1.3 cards

do i only select one or

[brave ibex]

only one

it rounds down

[sonic sandal]

i see

[brave ibex]

<1 cards is 0 cards

[sonic sandal]

aw man

[vestal seal]

its balanced out by some being able to affect your entire hand

[remote locust]

ante deck scaling + pink stake scaling

[oak herald]

1.5m ante 8, vanilla players would quake

[soft night]

horrendous!

[oak herald]

black deck pink stake would be torture

[remote locust]

for context you are supposed to stay on each ante for a really long time

Verdant Stake:

[oak herald]

reqiured score scales faster for each ante... is this the 4th or 5th faster ante scaling

[remote locust]

5th

[oak herald]

what was the 4th

[remote locust]

pink

[oak herald]

wait then purple is 3rd, green is second... whats the first? default ante scaling?

[remote locust]

yes

[bleak parcel]

Decided to do a chill medium deck run and I got an early canvas and notebook

Runs over

what

[scenic pumice]

floating point my beloved

[brave ibex]

just discard it :p

[clear hare]

7.6199999999999

Sorry about that 0.000000001 Mult my friend

[versed bay]

oversaturated chaos the clown changes the text but does not actually give 2 rerolls

i demand justice

[jaunty scarab]

Chaos is hardcoded iirc

[dusty plover]

chaos the clown randomizing has never worked

i wish it did :(

[jaunty scarab]

It doesn't even care for the amount on the card, it just counts the total number of clowns and adds them to the free rerolls var

[versed bay]

I mean

yeah

I assumed that was the issue

I struggle to imagine that is an unfixable issue

though it might involve some disgusting override patch tbh

[dusty plover]

just make it so glitched/misprint/over saturated spawns more clowns

clown mitosis

[brave ibex]

most unfortunste shop

[versed bay]

hm. pretty good deal

[remote locust]

No

[karmic wraith]

what is that pack doing on the jonkler slots

[rough violet]

deck of equilibrium

my beloved

[karmic wraith]

i assume everything you can buy can appear on slots they normally can't be

[remote locust]

Deck of inequilibrium when?

[rough violet]

only common jokers

[silver cobalt]

No editions

Vouchers and packs dont spawn

Start with overstock minus

Basically uhhh good luck getting any build going

Ever

[rough violet]

very fair deck 2

[scenic pumice]

isn't there a hand level upgrading one that's useless with lvl 1 hands???

[silver cobalt]

We already have like 4 very fair decks

[karmic wraith]

none of the decks in this mod are fair tbf

[cold sandal]

[snow rivet]

You mean the Tier 0 Voucher in the Suggestion Box or the Tier 2 Voucher in the planned features?

The Tier 0 should probably be renamed to just Stock or smth.

[silver cobalt]

The one that gives -1 slot

[rough violet]

very fair deck 5

[rough violet]

antimatter deck would like a word

[snow rivet]

Understock, the Tier -1.

[karmic wraith]

what does the antimatter deck do?

[silver cobalt]

K then

[scenic pumice]

antimatter is hard impossible to lose on not absurd stakes

[silver cobalt]

Combines the upsides of every single deck

[scenic pumice]

every positive deck effect i think

[karmic wraith]

no downsides?!
how is that not not fair?

[snow rivet]

You have to Gold Stake the Blank Deck (which has no upside), and any other Decks you want the abilities of.

[karmic wraith]

oh

[rough violet]

which makes it very fair

[karmic wraith]

eh, not exactly imo

but i guess it is the closest to fair as it can get

[rough violet]

have to beat blank three times actually

[karmic wraith]

what the hell?!

[rough violet]

i think that makes it fair enough

[karmic wraith]

well, i guess adding the downsides could make it balanced, idk, it has been a while since i played this game

[versed bay]

oh

i just noticed

echo card replaces the card name ala stone card

it uh

probably shouldn't do that

lmfao

[silver cobalt]

Steamodded jank

[silver cobalt]

Enhancment api is held together by duct tape and prayers

You have to literally hook effects you want into their respective functions in eval card

[versed bay]

wait. do you?? i didn't have to do that. did i accidentally cheat

[silver cobalt]

You’ll have to do it later

Nrn

[versed bay]

o

ic

lmao.

[umbral dagger]

Yeah that requirement isn't implemented yet

right now antimatter deck is just at max power by default

[lofty surge]

this will go wrong for every consumable trying to change or track its value upon use 🤔

[karmic wraith]

i know
we were talking about the most "balanced" deck, and i didn't really see it as balanced as you said

but let's forget that for now so we don't clog the chat

[sonic sandal]

i successfuly launched crypid earlier, played for about an hour and closed it and i am no longer able to launch balatro

[dusty plover]

the curse of cryptid

[clear hare]

what error are you getting?

[sonic sandal]

i press play and it doesnt do anything, and the stop button becomes play again

is there a log i can get you

[clear hare]

Mods/lovely/log

does the play button not work at all, or does it crash?

[sonic sandal]

play button doesnt work

nothing happens

no log is being generated

[clear hare]

weird

if you switch profiles does it work?

[sonic sandal]

what do you mean by that sorry

[clear hare]

this button here in the bottom left

and then switch to a different profile

[sonic sandal]

i couldnt launch the game at all

figured it out though, firewall was stopping something

disabled it and it worked

[clear hare]

alr

Lovely's version.dll has gotten false-flagged as malware a lot recently, so it was likely that

[sonic sandal]

yeah that was it

ty

[clear hare]

yw

[sonic sandal]

is it normal for numbers to be completely wrong during misprint runs

every pack, shop price and card effect is usually horribly off

had a pick 7 out of 18 pack give me a single card for example

[silver cobalt]

Yes very

[sonic sandal]

ok making sure

felt right

[raven sand]

Is there truly no use or way to get rid of a cat tag?

[brave ibex]

yeah

[raven sand]

doomed run then

sadge

[silver cobalt]

How?

[raven sand]

I wanted to do something funny with tags but there's no point if I can't use tags anymore with cat tag in the way

so I gotta restart and try again

[brave ibex]

cat tag shouldn't block other tag activations

[sonic sandal]

this is what i meant to clarify

[raven sand]

oh then Ig i'm good

[brave ibex]

that's like the point of the deck lmao

[sonic sandal]

so is the decimals not part of that deck

[brave ibex]

it is

it randomizes all values

[sonic sandal]

it randomizes when it appears in shop and when used?

very fun

[brave ibex]

yeah when appeared

[sonic sandal]

makes sense why half of my tarots dont work

i see

[brave ibex]

/spawned too

[karmic wraith]

misprinted deck seems very fun, can't wait to try it while frying an egg on my pc

[sonic sandal]

i only ask because a friend of mine streamed this mod to me and it didnt do that (like change what it said when he opened a pack), thank you for the help

[clear hare]

Probably in a different deck then

[raven sand]

goated run so far

wormhole deck fun

[rough violet]

start with exotic -2 joker slots?

[raven sand]

and your chances of getting a negative joker a boosted by 20X

aight its over now lmao

[sonic sandal]

what does sob do

[raven sand]

gives 3 cards I believe, an eternal obelisk another non eternal obelisk

[rough violet]

primus should be ^0.2 right

[raven sand]

and like one more i think?

[raven sand]

^0.1

[rough violet]

because prime

[brave ibex]

it always gives obelisks, negative one is just a one time

[sonic sandal]

oh god

sold error

91 jokers

[raven sand]

lol

get pranked

[sonic sandal]

waluigi going off

[clear hare]

Which one:
0.11, 0.13, 0.17, 0.19

[brave ibex]

it's 0.1 for balance 😳

[remote locust]

balance?

[raven sand]

Its already broken af at 0.1

[clear hare]

⚖️ ❌

[remote locust]

the moment ^Mult cam in balance dissipated

[wary pasture]

balance isn't real

[clear hare]

also i'll make it start at ^1.01, because 101 is prime

[brave ibex]

VFD red stake 🤯

insane seed tbh

[clear hare]

natural effarcire :O

[remote locust]

it should only be alowed to have values which are prime when multiplied by 100

it simply jumps to the netx prime each time

[brave ibex]

yeah natural gateway, not even an empowered tag lol

[clear hare]

yeah I think with empowered tag holding r for that is the strat for high stakes lmao

on any deck

[jolly snow]

i keep getting ERROR in the text descriptions for the jolly related jokers

[brave ibex]

early game a bit rough but when you get effacire with certificate you get consistent 5oak

[wary pasture]

you should get the average of the numbers based of the votes and make it that

[brave ibex]

then it's just scaling whip from there

[brave ibex]

same

i wonder if it's a mac thing

[clear hare]

ok time to make it like ^0.1723 or somethin

maybe steamodded update broke the patch

[remote locust]

same with me and i have mac

[brave ibex]

interesting

[clear hare]

alr I'm going to check before and after updating steamodded

[wary pasture]

I get the error thing on green joker, but I'm on windows

[clear hare]

on 0712a it works...
on 0716a it... also works

maybe it is a mac thing for some reason

but it all works for me even after updating

[brave ibex]

mac moment

[desert thunder]

deck idea: infiniprint: combines infinite deck and misprint deck (no +1 hand size its just so u can finally use those cards that say more than 5)

[violet egret]

what about quantum deck where its a mixture of a random amount of decks

[raven sand]

literally just antimatter deck lol

[clear hare]

when keys are added it would probably fill the same niche as a key-related deck

keys basically are consumables that apply deck abilities

[desert thunder]

thatll be fun

ny

[clear hare]

Expect that to be out in like two months lol

[desert thunder]

sadge

[violet egret]

no but like less than antimatter

[clear hare]

like 3 random or something

[violet egret]

yeah

[clear hare]

sounds interesiting

but with the way antimatter is programmed kinda annoying to do

since I'd basically need a new route for that

[desert thunder]

is sticker sheet possible

probably

[clear hare]

just do jokerless strats

if jokerless black deck gold stake has been done...
it should be a piece of cake for drspectred

[desert thunder]

yeah ig but jokers still spawn in shops

[clear hare]

this was with jokers spawning in shops

[desert thunder]

harder to get tarot/planets

yeah but

im not good

[clear hare]

you asked if it was possible

[desert thunder]

mb

[clear hare]

very hard but yes

but imo high stakes very fair deck is probably much harder than sticker sheet

[remote locust]

anythings possible with enough shenanigans

[sonic sandal]

im stuck in planet card purgatory

my shops are like 85% planet cards

[clear hare]

"Planet Cards appear 40X more often in shops"

[sonic sandal]

is that a base thing with the mod

if so why

:(

i havent seen a shop without a planet in an hour

[snow rivet]

Now if only you had Astronomer and Constellation. You'd be up to your ears in XMult.

[sonic sandal]

current run

2 waluigis in there

i just want plasma deck joker

[desert thunder]

just got nostalgic deck with my flush run 😭

[remote locust]

deck?

[desert thunder]

sry

nostalgic arm i think

i died tho cuz only 4 cards

[clear hare]

nostalgic arm 💀

[desert thunder]

idk man

[clear hare]

i mean the boss is 💀

[desert thunder]

ohhh

yeah like half the hands are 5 cards only

[clear hare]

imagine if it wasn't reworked

[remote locust]

all the nostalgic blinds are evil or bad

four fingers

[desert thunder]

i wish

im playing sticker street

[brave ibex]

proof that the good old days weren't better

[clear hare]

sticker street gets busy during rush hour

they deal with traffic by adding things like clocks and lavender loops?

[sonic sandal]

the run has become self sufficent

[soft night]

ah, to be killed by my own creation

feels lovely

[remote locust]

i know the feeling too well

[clear hare]

this probably goes so hard with betmma's vouchers
it'll even redeem fusion vouchers dependent on a given voucher or its upgrade

[desert thunder]

if i get lock does it dedebuff my joker

[brave ibex]

no\

[desert thunder]

sad

[clear hare]

the best way to debug code

[desert thunder]

M

[sonic sandal]

scoring makes my game hang for several seconds

[soft night]

adding the rest of the bolded stuff i see?

[clear hare]

yep

plan was that then code cards

[civic acorn]

🤤

[soft night]

one step closer to greatness...

[clear hare]

then you're doing good

[karmic wraith]

let me guess
there are 3rd tiers

[clear hare]

no

[karmic wraith]

oh

[clear hare]

but it has fusion vouchers that will also be redeemed

[karmic wraith]

o h

[clear hare]

there's a mod for those too though

and it's also planned for cryptid

[brave ibex]

VFD green win

[remote locust]

fair

[nocturne forge]

is anyone else having trouble installing the mod in the first place?
I wanted to install it but I kept getting a bunch of injection errors even though I have the proper injector installed as well as steamodded

[soft night]

Satellite Uplink + Omen Globe = Omnipresence
Code Cards and Spectral Cards can appear in each others' place, +1 offer for all Booster Packs

[nocturne forge]

it just keeps loading into vanilla

wait actually this might be better for just modding chat

my apologies

[brave ibex]

are you using 1.0.0 steamodded

[clear hare]

nah it's fine here too

[nocturne forge]

I installed the cryptid modpack(?)

[brave ibex]

joker combo

[nocturne forge]

it has Cryptid, Talisman and Steamodded apparently

[clear hare]

yep

[brave ibex]

do you have lovely though

[clear hare]

that should be all you need in the Mods folder

[brave ibex]

you also need that

[nocturne forge]

do I need to unzip lovely?

[clear hare]

looks a bit weird but finally got it working

[brave ibex]

try copies

i wonder if it will redeem the t3

[clear hare]

it's recursively checked so yes

[brave ibex]

nice

[clear hare]

now let's install betmma, tier 3 vouchers and loop and see if it breaks

loop might break everything

[soft night]

is it possible to say "Branch Redeemed"

[nocturne forge]

ugh the antivirus is throwing a hissy fit

[clear hare]

probably but I don't feel like adding that right now

[brave ibex]

if context.buying_card and context.other_card ~= loop 😈

[clear hare]

especially since it might help to see the name

[clear hare]

well I have to see if it works first

if it redeems loop and doesn't loop then that's good

otherwise i need to add an exception

[soft night]

i meant like "Copies Branch Redeemed!"

or Bundle

or you could do one after the other

[clear hare]

funny patch notes from betmma

[soft night]

oh btw jevonn my friends asked if you could add the magic next since it's the compliment to hammer's effect

[nocturne forge]

okay there we go

my antivirus just hated version.dll

[brave ibex]

I can probably do in ~30 minutes i gotta brb first

[soft night]

coolio

[nocturne forge]

Also I think there's a weird bug where for some reason sorting by suit causes the ace of clubs I have to be grouped with the hearts?

[clear hare]

yeah suit sorting is wack now for some reason

i don't even think I changed it so it might be a steamodded thing
(but I did change rank sorting so that might've screwed it up)

[echo jacinth]

speculo+canvas+any scoring joker = infinite scoring

[clear hare]

oh it uses the same function

yeah it is my fault haha

[soft night]

i just realized I need to make a 0-rank card sprite for The Garden to work properly

sorry math you might have to add new rank functionality

[nocturne forge]

also could you scale back the distortion effect on the glitched deck?
It's kinda disorienting