Cryptid - An unbalanced Balatro mod (1) [Old]

[abstract summit]

help

[remote locust]

do u have Talisman

[abstract summit]

ye

[remote locust]

u sure it's downloaded correctly

[abstract summit]

yes

[remote locust]

u do not

Talisman shouldn't be inside yout cryptid folder

it's a seperate mod

[abstract summit]

i works now

[echo jacinth]

cryptid, encryptid,

[chrome comet]

is this the most up to date version of this? https://github.com/MathIsFun0/Cryptid/releases

[weak burrow]

theres small fixes in the source code but mostly yeah

[clear hare]

Yes, although I’d recommend replacing the Cryptid folder with the source code

[weak burrow]

you can tell by seeing the source code has edits from 5 days ago and the release is from 2 weeks ago

[clear hare]

Also a pull request from yesterday

Going to merge it now (haven’t checked), sounds like it’ll be fun!

[teal plover]

what? i was still testing it

[clear hare]

oops

I’m a little trigger happy with the merge button sometimes lol

[teal plover]

there's one problem with it that i need to fix

[clear hare]

alr

[teal plover]

the astral edition tries to play sound with key cry_ExponentialMult (it should be cry_^Mult)

fixed

[soft night]

mult 😋

[remote locust]

That’s not a mathematical operation

[echo jacinth]

time loop joker: on boss blind defeat, -1 ante

[summer cargo]

oversaturated compound interest looks great

[clear hare]

Makes it shinier

[soft night]

:o

[stark charm]

https://tenor.com/view/shiny-moana-tamatoa-sparkle-sparkly-gif-16985274

[versed bay]

it seems like the $25 part of tenebris isn't working?

[brave ibex]

it's working for me

are you sure you have everything up to date

[versed bay]

i installed yesterday

it might be a compatibility thing tho

[brave ibex]

it shouldn't be

maybe you need to update steamodded

you got the cryptid folder from the source code right

[versed bay]

i just installed dimserene's modpack so possibly its their fault

[vestal seal]

its likely that then

a lot of it isnt super tested

[remote locust]

i exist. but please grammar

oh then, no worries

what did you want me to check though?

and this is Cryptid related, how?

[versed bay]

hm

of all the not ok things in this mod

crustulum is definitely the least ok

[vestal seal]

crustulum is actually unlosable

its crazy

[versed bay]

Yea

Even if it didn’t have the chips part

It would still be unlosable I think

Just roll for hermits and temperances and any jokers you want

just reroll for arbitrary amounts of negatives

Who even cares

[clear hare]

We have tarot looping at home!
Tarot looping at home:

[loud harness]

@clear hare The problem that I can't select higher than Gold Stake is solved.
It is "Faster Stake Unlock" mod that jammers it.

[fiery cradle]

i am enjoying this mod a lot

wtf did i just do

the game now takes an eternity to switch menus

[clear hare]

That must be clashing with stake API somehow

[remote locust]

that's what happens when you make too many jokers

[fiery cradle]

but i only had like

50 or somethin

[summer cargo]

we dont have incantation for jonklers yet unfortunately

[fiery cradle]

then i sold one and then BOOM

[summer cargo]

error moment

[fiery cradle]

all my jokers duped

[remote locust]

yeah that's what is vausing the delay

Speculo moment

[raven wedge]

brb making a new abno

[fiery cradle]

welp

idk what im supposed to do lmao

YES

MY SAVING GRACE

[clear hare]

Looks like it overrides a bunch of stake functions instead of using lovely patches, so makes sense

[fiery cradle]

rounding error moment

[upper pendant]

my game when cryptid

[loud harness]

INFO - [G] 2024-07-04 22:40:31 :: ERROR :: StackTrace :: Oops! The game crashed
[string "C:\Users\twst9\AppData\Roaming\Balatro\Mods/C..."]:451: attempt to index local 'amount' (a number value)
After beating ante 8 at platnium stake, the game will always crash.

[clear hare]

I still have to update faster ante scaling to work without Talisman

But ty for reporting

[weak burrow]

And now you have 310, I wonder why the game is lagging

[remote locust]

Isn’t talisman a dependency tho

[clear hare]

I mean with large numbers disabled

Crash should be fixed now

[dusty python]

How does the scoring with 2 e work?

[clear hare]

ee10 means 10^10^10

[granite ibex]

(10^10)^10 or 10^(10^10)

[clear hare]

If you remove one of the e’s, ^Mult scales like XMult and XMult scales like +Mult

[remote locust]

i have a table for this

[weak burrow]

isnt that the same thing?

[remote locust]

NO

[weak burrow]

[remote locust]

they are extremely different

[clear hare]

Exponentiation isn’t commutative

[remote locust]

*associative

[granite ibex]

first one is 10^100

[weak burrow]

what does "commutative" mean

[granite ibex]

second one is much larger

also yeah associative is the correct word there

[remote locust]

(10^10)^10 = 10^100

[weak burrow]

then what does that mean in this case

[remote locust]

(a ^ b) ^ c does not necessarily equal a ^ (b ^ c)

[remote locust]

the first has 100 zeros the other has 10,000,000,000 zeros

[granite ibex]

the first one has been achieved in vanilla balatro

the second one probably has not

[remote locust]

the naneinf limit is hit at 308 zeros

[granite ibex]

ignoring that

[clear hare]

Yeah the world record is in the e10,000,000 range iirc

[raven wedge]

how many red seal polychrome steel kings

[granite ibex]

that'd be 10^10 / 1.5 / (however many triggers are reasonable) right

wait

something logs idk

i cbb'

[strange oxide]

more like log_{1.5}(10^10)/(however many triggers are reasonable)

[granite ibex]

that sounds about right

[strange oxide]

actually I missed a 10 there 💀

log_{1.5}(10^10^10)/triggers

[granite ibex]

oh yeah

so a very big number

[strange oxide]

So 10^10*log_{1.5}(10)/triggers

[granite ibex]

so that's like 10^10 kings

[strange oxide]

Given that log is about 5.7, that would about cancel with triggers and leave around 10^10 kings

yeah

[versed bay]

I look forward to when my runs don’t all end with crashes rather than actually losing

[clear hare]

ngl if the antes scaled much slower then ee10 would be doable

If you could get enough spectrals before the game crashes

[remote locust]

cool

[versed bay]

I think my last crash was something to do with the compound interest joker

I had a lot of them because I had like 100 jokers from a bunch of blueprints pointing at a speculo

Constantly generating more blueprints and more of everything else

Very silly

[livid temple]

how do you make it actually work

talisman is the only mod that triggers on steamodded 0.9.8

i cant get cryptid to actually wor

[remote locust]

u need 1.0.0

[livid temple]

okay then

is lovely required

[remote locust]

yes

[livid temple]

okay

thx

it worked

cant wait to do weird shit

jesus christ

what the hell is this mod

[clear hare]

yes

[remote locust]

and also no

simultaneously

[livid temple]

were you high while making this math

that math not you math

[remote locust]

clarity 100

[brave ibex]

well glad you are enjoying it so far

just need some streamers to play it

[livid temple]

are theyre any youtube vids on anyone playing this

id love to see someone lose their mind with this mod

[brave ibex]

I don't think so, maybe one day

[junior river]

accidental naneinf speedrun

this isnt even anything really crazy

its just speculo, 5 exponentia (with 1.65^), triboulet and 2 boredoms

[livid temple]

whats the optimal deck

[remote locust]

that's not an answerable question

[summer cargo]

well it is, antimatter deck

but thats only because antimatter deck is so much more powerful than everything else by design

[remote locust]

they meant that?

[umbral dagger]

I mean yeah if you mean just objectively strongest rn then its antimatter no question

but optimal can mean a lot of things so

[livid temple]

what is the best, singular deck in yalls opinion

not including

the one

that is all of them

[summer cargo]

deck of equilbirum is the most fun IMO

[livid temple]

cursor seems way better than common imo

[umbral dagger]

yeah equilibrium is 100% the best one to start on tbh

[livid temple]

cursor seems like just bathing in chips if you get it

[umbral dagger]

Easy access to the new content of the mod without being giga busted

[summer cargo]

equi is like the only one that reasonably allows you to mess with exotics

[umbral dagger]

antimatter is fun for just screwing around and trying for a high score/seeing how long you can play before the game is running at 1 fps

[livid temple]

why is there a joker in the voucher slot

is it stupid

[summer cargo]

it does that

any card can show up in any slot

[livid temple]

jesus lol

[umbral dagger]

my favorite voucher, a standard pack

[livid temple]

double caramel in the voucher slot two rounds in a row

and a hanging chad

900k

jesus my fucking christ

another one?!??!

god all these exotic jokers

but no moneu

:(

[clear hare]

It’s balanced by the cost of scaling it

[clear hare]

Murphy will probably play it soon, since he asked about setting it up and has returned to streaming

I also told drspectred about higher stakes so that might happen

[brave ibex]

oh rlly

great

[weak burrow]

I'm waiting for c++ rewrite so I can run God seed with talisman

[clear hare]

Not sure if I’d bet on it though

[weak burrow]

I wanna try like ante 40-50 runs

On plasma

[clear hare]

I was watching his higher stake stream (through a modded challenge, but it’s similar to pink stake in Cryptid but with higher scaling earlier) and it was a lot of resetting

[brave ibex]

well even knowing about it is a good start

at the very least

[clear hare]

ye

[brave ibex]

i guess I need to hurry up then 😭

[clear hare]

I could probably wrap up another major release in a few days once I get back

Probably better to do another minor release first tho

[livid temple]

do you take any suggestions for the mod

[clear hare]

Yes

[brave ibex]

yeah, a decent amount of the things in here are (were) suggestions

[livid temple]

i was thinking of a deck that has all of the discount vouchers to make it easier to pick up some of the expensive jokers

Budget Deck idk

[clear hare]

btw @brave ibex I can add you as an editor to the spreadsheet today

Just DM me the email you use for your account

[brave ibex]

I wasn't paying attention and almost mistook blurred joker for glitched jimbo 💀

[summer cargo]

given how harsh the glitch appearance sound is thats surprising

[brave ibex]

yeah I can do that right now

[clear hare]

Start with Overstock Plus, Reroll Glut, and Clearance Sale

I think that’s what they’re all called

[livid temple]

yeah i guess

[brave ibex]

rip liquidation

[livid temple]

oh yep

liquidation is the better one

[clear hare]

That one instead

[livid temple]

i love how every deck is just a buff to antimatter deck

[oak herald]

can't wait for a streamer to play it

[junior river]

crustulum try not to be the easiest win ever challenge (impossible)

[green cove]

I asked him on stream and he said he might at some point

I don't think he really has any concrete plans or anything

[versed bay]

I didn’t even see antimatter

I stopped looking for broken after equilibrium

Though CCD also seems completely bonkers its just not nearly as fun

[clear hare]

I probably will nerf CCD/Hammerspace so “secret” consumables don’t appear (like The Soul, Gateway…)

[remote locust]

but it's so fun

[junior river]

just got trolled by lucky card

not so lucky card

[remote locust]

rental booster pack

[junior river]

thanks The Joke

[versed bay]

Smart tbh

It is very stupid that you can

And

Honestly

should

Just reset those until your deck has a gateway

And then spam discard for it

I made a joke yesterday that even without the effects ccd would already be a hilariously broken deck just because its a deck you can arbitrarily delete cards from

The fact you are rewarded for deleting them with spectral cards and tarot cards and hand levels? lol

Truly peak

[livid temple]

antimatter deck is so funny

[soft night]

however you should allow the broken-ness of hammerspace/CCD to return on antimatter deck

because creative mode

[versed bay]

oops.

[fiery cradle]

so what does ERROR actually do?

[brave ibex]

create a copy of all jokers

after a random amount of rounds

[teal plover]

(after selling it)

[fiery cradle]

ahhhh alrighty

tyty

[livid temple]

yall liek this build on equal?

ignore the neg jolly jokers

i had M but i sold it for waluigi just a sec ago

well then

[gray elm]

bp didnt copy canvas? or is that worse

[livid temple]

id prefer copying waluigi

i wish there was a way to know what this number actually is in digits

like i look at that and say

yep

that sure is e36

oh

there is

according to that i just scored 5583000000000000000000000000000000000

aka five undecillion five hundred eighty-three decillion

and i just got the reroll joker

free 4ever

ohhh

i just got pardeolia

on the maximized tribuloet

but all the rest of my things

are blueprint

canvas

waluigi

and reroll exotic

do i replace anything

anything replacable

blueprint is going

bad idea but

i can get it later

blueprint DIE

[livid temple]

how do you play the game normally after removing the mod

the game keeps crashing because of the extra stakes

without any mods

[loud harness]

Start a play lower than modded stake, and let the game end.

[livid temple]

but

i cant play

the play button crashes the game

[loud harness]

Re-install Cryptid back and enable the modded stake. You should be able to resume.

[livid temple]

oh ok

yeah

i played red deck on cryptid

then removed it

and its working now

thx

[grim tendon]

sell blueprint and go for ERROR

[junior river]

reroll until you find flash card

place all jokers except canvas and blueprint to the right of canvas

reroll for a bit

infinite +chips and +mult

[livid temple]

its been 7 hours

the run is already done

[junior river]

weak.,.,.,.

[livid temple]

well

i didnt finish the game

i just couldnt progress

because my hand crashed the game instantly upon selection

[junior river]

you should have gotten to ante 1.201e3002

smh.,.,.

[livid temple]

high card was infinity x infinity

[teal plover]

imagine replying seven hours later

[livid temple]

with 33 jokers

so yeah

[silver cobalt]

it is suprisingly hard to tell when you have played a debuffed card

i literally have to make an entirely new eval_card context

and that is uhhhh not working

[brave ibex]

What about matador

Or is it not useful

[silver cobalt]

that triggers every time a debuffed hand is played

im currently trying to make lost socks

and ive slightly modified the effect to trigger on any debuffed cards

[brave ibex]

It has a check for debuffed cards no idk maybe it’s not what you’re looking for

[silver cobalt]

this is what i have so far

and a lovely patch

[brave ibex]

Ah I see

[silver cobalt]

the problem i have is that the countdown just doenst go down

ever

oh also this is the function im patching the code into

changing where the patch occured also didnt do anything

my sanity is dwindling rapidly

[deep kite]

Steamodded probably needs to be pulled

[silver cobalt]

this reeeeeeeally shouldnt be this hard

why id this thing refusing to reduce its countdown?

[brave ibex]

Maybe need to be context.cardarea == G.play?

Looking at what you had though I don’t think it would do anything

But worth a try

[silver cobalt]

that only increases the specificity of the effect

rn its not triggering at all

i tried converting the calculate_joker into an eval_card, didnt work

[brave ibex]

Yeah that what I thought 😔

[silver cobalt]

making it just a pure eval_card also didnt work

seriously this is the absolute simplest i could make it

how does this still not work

ok so ive figured out that the patch in fact is going through

im just not getting something about how to add eval_card instances

ive run into this problem when making enhancements for a mod too

[chrome comet]

probably gonna play this in a little bit just gotta figure out how to get it working

[clear hare]

lmk if you need any help!

[chrome comet]

@clear hare bout to load it up ima give it a go installing it myself first

I need steammodded and lovely for this?

[jaunty scarab]

Current Steamodded 1.0 branch and Lovely should be it

Oh also Talisman

[vestal seal]

yo hi murphy

[chrome comet]

howdy!

im confused on how to get 1.0 when i got to steamodded it just says 9.8 still

[vestal seal]

are you sure you completely uninstalled 0.9.8?

there isnt a release for steamodded 1.0 yet

you need to get it from source code

[strange oxide]

Direct download: https://github.com/Steamopollys/Steamodded/archive/refs/heads/main.zip

[chrome comet]

ill have to try it some other time, it wont let me move steamodded folder into the directory it says its open somwhere else but balatro weas closed.

[strange oxide]

close it better then

[chrome comet]

i even closed steam lol ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strange oxide]

fun fact, vanilla balatro will just silently close on you if you try to run it without steam

[clear hare]

I know someone else who got the same issue, they had to restart their computer

If you used the injector method you have to use “verify game integrity” (in the game settings in Steam) to remove 0.9.8, sometimes you need to delete the exe file first for it to work

I can send a zip of latest versions of Cryptid, Talisman, and Steamodded 1.0 sometime tonight or tomorrow to make installation a piece of cake

[brave ibex]

👀

[chrome comet]

I'll try working on it tomorrow. Didn't wanna try and trouble shoot during steam but we'll get it working.

[brave ibex]

that gives me some time at least

[raven wedge]

quick add a murphy easter egg to cryptid

[brave ibex]

maybe next time 😔

[clear hare]

I coded a banana-related Epic Joker before but it wasn’t for Cryptid

It wasn’t added to that mod yet so we could (politely ask to) yoink it for Cryptid

#1248387108029202432 message

Also just updated the mod description

[brave ibex]

nice nice

if I get this done in time today that might need to be updated once more 😏

[clear hare]

nice

[remote locust]

59 is so unsatisfying

[clear hare]

Gotta get that up to 69

[remote locust]

i meant 60 but ok

[clear hare]

Or… some multiple of 5 would also be nice

[remote locust]

420

you're only 361 jokers away

[brave ibex]

M invasion pt 2

[brave ibex]

next upd will bring to 85 if my math is correct

[remote locust]

much better

[brave ibex]

although i couldn't get 3 of them to work so i'll leave those to math

[remote locust]

me? /j

[brave ibex]

i'll take it

tbh

[clear hare]

M DLC

[raven wedge]

WHO THE FUCK IS JOLLY JOKER ‼️

[clear hare]

We can pass TWEWY again

[remote locust]

TWEWY?

[clear hare]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1252312295296733194

[brave ibex]

pairs stay winning 💪

[clear hare]

Also about Labyrinth joker implementation - could be better as an override to calxulate_joker so it works with retriggers

Wait nvm

[raven wedge]

i'm down to help twewy beat cryptid

[remote locust]

was that typed correctly?

[silver cobalt]

I wanted to make O o for obelisk and W w for wild cards and now i have to do all of that??????

Help me

[brave ibex]

you don't have to

they can be nice standalones

or something lol

[clear hare]

Alphabet

[remote locust]

+1 Chip everytime the alphabet is typed. /j

[raven wedge]

did i stutter?

[remote locust]

what if I said yes

[cold sandal]

yk how we got the 3 new daggers already {Being Unjust Dagger, Monkey Dagger, and Pirate Dagger}? {Not technically but coming soon-ish}
What if we had a whole page of daggers lmao

[clear hare]

In Jevonn’s update actually

(The 3 ones)

[brave ibex]

i think we would run out of ideas before we have a full page xd

[cold sandal]

Hand size dagger

[soft night]

Dagger Pointed Directly At You

[lime inlet]

i love how the Jolly Joker thing came from my hatred of it

[soft night]

Dagger-Wielding Dagger

[brave ibex]

real

[cold sandal]

Exponential Dagger(s)

thats 3 more daggers

Ik i concepted some xScore stuff which was jank

But we could technically have +Score xScore and ^Score daggers

[silver cobalt]

Which is why we need m for obelisk and wild cards

There is literally jo reason to pick up an obelisk

The only reason i have it discovered is from wraith

[brave ibex]

obelisk still decent imo

[soft night]

M Onolith

[silver cobalt]

Wild cards are also bad, and become useless when theres a suit debuffing joker

[brave ibex]

almost won with one on ascendant until vermilion virus wiped it away

[soft night]

M Onolith (Epic)
This Joker gains x[a lot] Mult when Obelisk resets.

[clear hare]

Btw @brave ibex what are the issues with the edition jokers specifically?
Based on the code it looks like you only run it for jokers

[brave ibex]

they don't trigger

[clear hare]

So you should also loop through the cards in the same context as The Idol

[clear hare]

Oh I know why

[brave ibex]

it's 100% something i'm not doing correctly but I don't have enough brainpower to solve it

[clear hare]

it’s saved as self.edition.foil = true

And holo/polychrome for the others

[brave ibex]

i'll take a look at it when I'm dome with this other thing

[clear hare]

So changing your edition check to this should detect it properly; then you’ll just have to loop through scored cards as well as jokers (you get consumables for free too!)

[brave ibex]

are the playing cards also self.edition.(editon) or is it something else

[clear hare]

Same

M Deck
+1 Joker slot, start with 2 Jolly Jokers and Negative Showman
Jolly Jokers appear 10x more often in the shop

[cold sandal]

A full page of daggers:
xMult Dagger {Unjust}
+Chips Dagger {Monkey}
xChips Dagger {Pirate}
Hand Size Dagger
^Mult Dagger
^Chips Dagger
+Score Dagger
xScore Dagger
^Score Dagger
Hyperoperation? {+3 Mult, destroy card to the right, if its sell value is 2, turns into xMult, when it's xMult, if the destroyed cards sell value is 3, turns into ^Mult, etc.} Dagger
Divide Blind Size Dagger {Blind size is divided by the value this Dagger has currently scaled to}
Divide Reroll Cost Dagger
+$ Dagger
x$ Dagger
^$ Dagger

[clear hare]

^$ is crazy

[remote locust]

But what if $^

[clear hare]

More ideas to make it a bit balanced:

• hands/discards per round
• joker/consumable slots
• card creation (M-themed?)

[cold sandal]

2 pages of daggers coming right up

lmao

[clear hare]

When blind selected, destroy second-to-leftmost joker and square current $

Oh also destroying consumables or cards in hand

Could be interesting

[remote locust]

When are the later stakes getting implemented?

[cold sandal]

I like it how ^mult actually means Mult^{Value} which is semi cursed but also kinda makes a little sense

[remote locust]

Omnia Quarteria is gonna be insane, honestly a tetration joker probably shouldn’t be scaling

[clear hare]

I want to get the next 8 done pretty soon

[remote locust]

nice

[clear hare]

Also planned for the next major release but considering all the new contributions I will probably make the next major release after Jevonn’s changes and then push the rest of the planned additions to 0.5.0

[cold sandal]

I think the reworked Ascendant stake will be in Jevonns PR iirc

[clear hare]

Because doubling the amount of Jokers in the mod is definitely enough for 0.4.0

It is not in there (yet)

[raven wedge]

omw to disabling every M and Dagger jokers in 0.4.0

[brave ibex]

I didn't put it in there

[remote locust]

Common Muck on its way to debuff every good joker Cryptid has

Only boss blind that’s immune to Chicot

[brave ibex]

no blind is immune to $10 reroll 😈

[remote locust]

Not yet

[raven sand]

HOW IN THE CRYPTID DID THIS JOKER GET A SEAL????

[teal plover]

i'm curious, does the seal work?

[raven sand]

gonna check when I get through this shop

no sadly

at least not with gold seal

or if it did it was invis

my invis joker got to 5/2 rounds cus of boredom, and generated 5 cards all with gold seals

I have learned to not sell ERROR

[vestal seal]

obelisk is great btw

its just that its cryptid

[scenic pumice]

nah make a little screen border do that

the text would look too bad

[cold sandal]

Next cryptid update gonna be wild

[livid temple]

cant wait for the jimbo's return XVV arc

+5 mult

[brave ibex]

just waiting for the merge now 😎

with that time for me to go to sleep

[cold sandal]

Glitched shader appears to no work with more than one of them

(Selected negative Joker is glitched)

This last page lookin a little oversaturated

[teal plover]

in all honesty, caramel needs a redo, it looks less like caramel and more like... waste, or chocolate

[lime inlet]

oh shit that's supposed to be caramel?

i never actually payed attention to nor found it in game even on antimatter/DoE runs

[clear hare]

and we have Jimball

[clear hare]

May need to check for playing cards when doing the forced seal thing

[oak herald]

it's a chad

[versed bay]

equilibrium deck often puts editions on packs and consumables as well which is also silly

[clear hare]

Editions work on consumables (will likely add planet support if DX Tarots is installed, since that was already put into the modpack)
And a change was just added that makes editioned and stickered packs apply them to all of their contents

[versed bay]

ah cute then

[junior river]

im feeling mischevious

changing from 0.1 and 10 to 0.01 and 100

oh ok man

deal

[opal prairie]

What a steal

[silver cobalt]

What if we actually added sealed jokers

Like a second form of rarity

Gold just gives you 3 dollars every hand

Blue gives your last hand’s planet at the end of round

Red retriggers the joker

Purple gives you a tarot card whenever you discard

In order of brokenness probably blue -> gold -> purple -> red

The rarities would follow that

Blue would be holo, gold poly, purple poly but a bit less, red, poly but a lot less

[clear hare]

$3 when triggered

[clear hare]

There was a mod with joker seals in development but then the creator left never to be seen again

#⚙・modding-general message

[silver cobalt]

Sadness

But this could be rectified

[clear hare]

Very possible to add to Cryptid or something

While crediting AutumnMood

iirc someone said that because of GPLv3 license you can tinker with any Steamodded mod without permission (or maybe I interpreted that wrong)

Also probably a bit different if that mod was never released

Probably not something I’d want to do without DMing and asking though (at least, not with the original concepts)

[weak burrow]

i mean

its just a nice thing to do to ask for permission

[clear hare]

agreed

Plus they may have the old code lying around which would make it easy to add

[mental tiger]

pretty lucky arcana pack

[clear hare]

Now you need black hole and white hole in there

[mental tiger]

can those even appear in arcana packs? i thought they only were in spec/celestial packs.

[remote locust]

Omen globe

[clear hare]

This is also the reason why Gateway appeared

[remote locust]

and Lock and possibly Soul

[mental tiger]

fair, it didn't click with me that omen would allow special spectrals like those to do that

[soft night]

i got BH in one once

[umbral dagger]

soul is the only one that can naturally show up in arcana packs, same for black hole and maybe white hole too in celestial packs, the rest need omen globe ye

[livid temple]

have any yt's or streamers done this mod yet

[clear hare]

MurphyObv 🔜

[clear hare]

White Hole is programmed to appear in Celestial Packs, yep

Wait we should add something for Buffoon and Standard Packs

[silver cobalt]

Magus - Create 3 random epic jokers (hidden, can spawn in buffoon packs)

Cheat - Add an astral glass red seal ace of hearts to deck

Hearts > Spades imo

Spades are overrated

[oak herald]

really? when

[echo jacinth]

challenge idea: Ante requirements scale like the busy beaver function

[clear hare]

He tried setting it up yesterday, maybe as soon as next stream

[livid temple]

well that means he hasent really played it

he tried to activate it

[clear hare]

I said “soon”

[livid temple]

but like

oh ok

srry

[clear hare]

plans to play it still

[livid temple]

which exotic joker do you think is the most high of them all as in how much crack would you have to take to make one of them

the reroll one is my vote

[clear hare]

Omnia Quarteria

Because as soon as it’s added it’s just going to become the meta

[livid temple]

what is it going to do

when its added

[lime inlet]

don't forget rescribere :))))

[clear hare]

Scaling tetrational mult

[silver cobalt]

Tetration

[clear hare]

Which is repeated ^Mult

[silver cobalt]

Basically uhhh infinity in a bottle

[livid temple]

no but like

[silver cobalt]

Actually can we make that a joker

[livid temple]

explain

properly

[silver cobalt]

When you sell this joker set blind score to infinity

[lime inlet]

tetration = x^^y

eg 10^^2 = 10^10

[livid temple]

so when is the next update set to come out anyway

if there is any such thing as that

[clear hare]

I will probably push one out after Jevonn merges his additions

He added like 25 more jokers

Cryptid - An unbalanced Balatro mod

[silver cobalt]

What rarity does this feel to you guys

[clear hare]

Epic

[lime inlet]

Epic+++

[silver cobalt]

But also it works only once

So it could also be rare

[lime inlet]

wait didn't i also put this type of idea

[clear hare]

It’s like Mr Bones but funnier and potentially synergetic in the future

[silver cobalt]

Its just a get out of jail free card

[clear hare]

I would probably make it a cheap epic

[silver cobalt]

Expensive rare

[lime inlet]

so mr bones(old)

[silver cobalt]

But funny

[junior river]

FINALLY.....

[livid temple]

oh yeah Mathi was wondering if you were considering that deck idea i talked about.

[junior river]

ROUND 1 INFINITE SCORE

[lime inlet]

nostalgic mr bones
Win

[clear hare]

I think it’s a good addition

You should add it to the concepting sheet (pinned here) so I don’t forget about it

[brave ibex]

alr did

i think

[lime inlet]

That technically already exist with CCD

[brave ibex]

yeah I did

[silver cobalt]

Actually thats already been done

Ccd deck

[junior river]

damnit

[lime inlet]

lmfao

[junior river]

when's round 0 infinite score

[lime inlet]

i want a jonkler that decreases my rounds

[silver cobalt]

Time travel

[livid temple]

k

[clear hare]

Ah, I see

[livid temple]

are any of these the right ones

[clear hare]

I can merge after you add the changes you forgot

[lime inlet]

found it in suggestions (Limited Unlimiter)

[silver cobalt]

Did it

[clear hare]

Also because the PR also makes all jokers undiscovered by default it’s probably a good time to brainstorm unlock reqs

[summer cargo]

how stupid do you think a jonkler that turns off "resets at end of round" would be

[clear hare]

A bit too situational

[silver cobalt]

Turns off all resets

[clear hare]

Better to be roped in with any potential “removes all downsides” Joker though (although I believe I put that in a suggestion box for another mod so…)

[silver cobalt]

Feels like a rare to me

Could be an epic though

Its still a tad bit situational

[clear hare]

Rare makes sense for that reason

[silver cobalt]

The only broken as hell combos are obelisk and campfire

[brave ibex]

Hit the road crying in the corner

[silver cobalt]

That one too

[clear hare]

For unlocks it probably makes sense for all epics

But maybe just that

[silver cobalt]

What happens if the game tries to generate an epic but they are all locked

[lime inlet]

wait i forgot the reason why we have a recent suggestion box

[summer cargo]

rare

[clear hare]

Joker

You get Jimbo

[silver cobalt]

Maybe it should be 2/3s of all cards of all rarities

[brave ibex]

alr lemme find your message with the contexts

[silver cobalt]

It lines up with the base game

[summer cargo]

also i imagine there'd be at least one epic unlocked by default

[silver cobalt]

Probably more like a couple

[summer cargo]

like M on its own without m is not going to help that much

[clear hare]

Base game is 3/10

[silver cobalt]

Close enough

Eternal flame could be sell 10 cards in a single shop

Canvas needs a really painful condition

Win a run with only common jokers

[brave ibex]

i like googol play card as the default tbh

[clear hare]

Win a run without jokers

[lime inlet]

nah Joker Poker

[silver cobalt]

Nah we need like 5 or smth default epics

[vestal seal]

like as in a review

[lime inlet]

Joker (But cooler)
X4 Mult

[clear hare]

% of locked jokers

[silver cobalt]

Sync catalyst could be win a blind with a hand with the same number of mult and chips

[clear hare]

As a review it’s ee308/10

[silver cobalt]

Negative could be get 5 negative jokers at once

[clear hare]

Maybe hitting a certain number of joker slots

[silver cobalt]

Error feels like it needs no condition

[clear hare]

Have 9 or more Joker slots in a run (Negative Joker)

[brave ibex]

what should I replace with self.edition.foil?

[lime inlet]

Error is Error

[silver cobalt]

Boredom is kinda powerful but i dont think it needs one either

[brave ibex]

i have a felling if I go with my intuition i'm gonna get a game crash

[clear hare]

context.other_joker.ability.edition == “Polychrome” —> context.other_joker.edition.polychrome

[silver cobalt]

Double scale def needs some fun condition

[lime inlet]

Googol Play Card requries a Googol score

[brave ibex]

alr got it

[silver cobalt]

What about scale a scaling joker to 100x its starting value

Maybe less though

[clear hare]

Beat a drspectred scaling joker world record

[lime inlet]

lmao

[silver cobalt]

Thats nearly impossible withiut double scale

Like 25x

Or 50x

[clear hare]

Maybe have it hinge on a specific scaling joker

[lime inlet]

Upgrade a Joker x times in a run

[clear hare]

Get a wee joker to +2500 chips

[brave ibex]

i think just leave it woth no unlock

[lime inlet]

wee fibonacci?

[clear hare]

that also makes sense

It feels like one of the most vanilla of the epics

[silver cobalt]

Nostalgic candy could be lose due to getting 0 hand size

[clear hare]

Win a run with 5 or less hand size

[silver cobalt]

Much better

Caramel uhhhhh

No unlock condition

Do you guys even know what sob does?

[livid temple]

the unlock condition is to melt a cube of shit

[clear hare]

Spams you with obelisks

[brave ibex]

it curses you

its named curse internally

[clear hare]

Unlock idea:
Reset Obelisk on the final hand of a winning run

[vestal seal]

with one of the best vanilla jokers

[brave ibex]

it was mostly made as a troll joker ngl

[lime inlet]

M and m requires 5 Jolly Jokers to be obtained and destroyed in a single run

[noble light]

this is crashing whenever i try and start a run

[lime inlet]

how many unlock reqs we got?

[vestal seal]

i think m should be sell 10 jolly jokers (cumulative) and M could be to buy 5 in a single run

[lime inlet]

ok

[silver cobalt]

Dropshot could be play a hand with every suit that is not allowed by a boss blind

Maximized could be play a flush house of kings and tens

[lime inlet]

maybe play a hand with 5 debuffed cards

[silver cobalt]

Good idea

Dont think pot of jokes needs one

[clear hare]

What crash are you getting?

[lime inlet]

probably should be a flush for theme

[brave ibex]

hmm got this crash when testing the change

[silver cobalt]

Queens gambit is play a 4 card royal flush

[clear hare]

editon

Just a typo

[noble light]

attempt to call global 'to_big' (a nil value)

[brave ibex]

💀 oopsie

[clear hare]

Update Talisman

[cold sandal]

Redeem the Paintbrush voucher 3 times in a single run would fit with it being a canvas

[noble light]

can i ask how

[vestal seal]

replace the talisman folder with latest version

[clear hare]

https://github.com/mathisfun0/talisman

Which is the latest release here

[lime inlet]

Number Blocks should be
Win a Blind with x unique ranks held

[noble light]

i mean i just downloaded it from cryptid so maybe that link didnt have the latest version

[clear hare]

It didn’t, which will be rectified in this update

[noble light]

yeah that was what happened then

i got the same crash

its coming from cryptid not talisman

[clear hare]

Does the ace have a gold seal in the main menu? If not Talisman isn’t installed properly

[noble light]

hold on let me check

if not i think i know what i did wrong

yeah it didnt

the mods section said it was loaded succesfully so i thought it was fine

[brave ibex]

alr now i'm getting this error, this time i made sure I spelled everything right

[teal plover]

is the installation nested, by any chance? (eg. Balatro/Mods/Talisman/Talisman/)

[clear hare]

You probably installed it to Mods/?/Talisman but it should just be Mods/Talisman

[brave ibex]

you're onna have to look for the issue because I have to go somewhere and have to leave my computer

sorry

[noble light]

when i first installed cryptid it was in the cryptid folder

[clear hare]

cya

[noble light]

this is what im at currently

which is how it showed originally when i installed cryptid

[vestal seal]

its nested. you need those separate

[clear hare]

Move both of those directly to the Mods folder

Mods/Cryptid/* and Mods/Talisman/*

[brave ibex]

Still have my mobile at least , I can keep tabs here for now

[clear hare]

Ok I know why

[noble light]

it should be fixed now

[clear hare]

you have to check if edition is defined first, it won’t if the joker doesn’t have an edition

[noble light]

nope immediate crash

[teal plover]

.edition will usually be nil if the card doesn't have an edition

[noble light]

life is pain

[clear hare]

Now Steamodded isn’t even loading

[noble light]

yeah its only when cryptid and talisman are in the mods folder

if i move them out it works fine

[brave ibex]

Steamodded and lovely are also supposed to be in the mod folder

[noble light]

they are

[brave ibex]

They are both separate folders right

[vestal seal]

shouldnt it be giving an actual crash report

[brave ibex]

Darn

[clear hare]

@brave ibex just fixed the issue

Also have to loop through scored playing cards but I’ll do that later

When I get a chance to check the code as well

[noble light]

lovely and steamodded are both in the mods folddr

ive only gotten the immediate crash when cryptid and talisman were either not in the mods folder or nested like they were when i installed

[clear hare]

Rename Talisman-main to Talisman

[noble light]

okay no immediate crash this time

and the gold seal is there

we are so back

[vestal seal]

red seals seem to not work

[teal plover]

i forgot to mention that, i did experience that myself as well

[clear hare]

oops!

probably related to retrigger API

[soft night]

wut is going on

@clear hare

[clear hare]

Update Steamodded

[soft night]

ye i realized i was an idiot

[soft night]

why

used gateway

[jaunty scarab]

What kind of pool_key is that?

[feral silo]

Boy does this mod make some incredibly awesome and broken runs possible. I'm loving the heck out of it. Hammerspace gave me a White Hole playing card, which I can duplicate twice every run thanks to a DNA and a Brainstorm. I'm currently at level 55,000 High Card, which goes 9x each blind.

[true harness]

while hole gets even more absurd with universum

[worldly gust]

Until it gets so absurd it wraps around to making your base chips x mult 1x1

[brave ibex]

went ahead and did this and got it working now

the time is upon us soon

[fiery cradle]

:3

[fiery cradle]

oops

[green cove]

what a great deal

[oak herald]

value

[green cove]

got crash when holding R

[true harness]

7.5% original price, in exchange for 10 times the requirement
great deal

[green cove]

nice flush five

[weak burrow]

with maximized and parie and smeared 50% of possible hands are flush 5

[green cove]

uh, crash when selected the orb boss (applies effects of all defeated boss blinds)

also save file as it just keeps crashing

[clear hare]

Looks like it has to do with The Water and me not updating that when boss API changed

Wait this is actually more complex than that

For some reason set_blind is happening before G.GAME.blind is defined

[green cove]

also after I had all of my hand chips & mult become infinity, then a crash ^, I couldnt play anything because hand chips & mult are set to 0 (number) and not a table 😭

which is fixed with omeganum probably

[clear hare]

Perhaps…

[clear hare]

I plan to support both at some point, so hopefully then it will be fixed

[cold sandal]

I did a thing (I may have recorded 2+ hours of cryptid footage on red deck and got to ante 42 or something and can keep going {I kinda just got bored at the end though so I started spawning stuff in so when I (If I) upload the video that end part could be like a showcase})

[clear hare]

Ante 42 gaming

[weak burrow]

Math get me a god seed with the c++ rewrite and I'll get ante 50 on plasma

[cold sandal]

I got hammerspace gateway iterum

then invis joker

Echo Astral 2s with 2D

Chad Blueprint

Oh yeah

Echo doesnt work with red seal properly

[brave ibex]

red seal doesn't work with anyting currently

[clear hare]

I wonder if the echo code broke red seal

Since I think it was recently that ppl started noticing

[brave ibex]

lets find out

removed misc and it's working for me

so it must be echo card then

[clear hare]

Oh because cs is never returned

[feral silo]

I love this mod so much. Playing the antimatter deck has me cracking up.

[grim tendon]

me accidentally putting my speculo to the left of canvas instead of the right: https://youtu.be/M3B-yzwEy-w?si=kt4U0hv5SbANQpgp

[soft night]

fucking orbital strike

[feral silo]

Really, the hardest part of the Antimatter Deck is resisting the urge to buy joker combos that will cause my computer to melt.

For example...

[celest tinsel]

oof

[civic acorn]

Once 1.0 goes into Stable instead of Alpha, I would REALLY like to try out this mod.

[civic acorn]

With how much I hear about Antimatter deck, I gotta ask, what exactly does it do?

[grim tendon]

has every upside of every deck in the game

[vestal seal]

whats the problem with using it now?

[vestal seal]

the brokenness starts when you consider that cryptid decks are also included

[feral silo]

The funnest bits for me are:

• Every card rarity can appear in the store pool.
• The values on every card are randomized

So you might get an Exotic card in the first shop, that makes negative duplicates of all your jokers. Then you might find another card, that re-triggers every joker ability 15 times.

[celest tinsel]

BUG: white hole will consume your most played hands levels AND COUNT them, example: i have lvl 10 high card and lvl 2 pair, expected result: lvl 13 high card, actual result: lvl 33 high card.

[civic acorn]

Gonna have to keep updating it if I try to go onto Alpha, and most of the mods that I use aren't updated for 1.0 yet.

[soft night]

not bug, it applies thrice for each level consumed

[celest tinsel]

yha but it consumes your most played hand.

[soft night]

yes

[brave ibex]

white hole removes all levels, including the ones from most played hand

[celest tinsel]

thats just exponetial

[soft night]

yes

[celest tinsel]

oh

[soft night]

:)

[celest tinsel]

forgot the Unbalanced part of the name

[brave ibex]

That's why it's a spectral lol

[celest tinsel]

anyways i now have a lvl 19E+1067 lvl high card. (perkeo*17)

[brave ibex]

doe gaming

[snow rivet]

How do you contribute to the suggestion box, does it just let you type?

[brave ibex]

yeah

[snow rivet]

Alright. Follow-up question: Can multiple shaders be applied to the same object without issues?

[brave ibex]

i have no idea

[green cove]

I think someone made a pull request for that

as a feature for steamodded I mean

negative already is 2 shaders in 1 iirc

[snow rivet]

Oh that's neat. So it would be theoretically possible to stack editions, then?

[silver cobalt]

Maybe

Just very chaotic

[spare cape]

this mod is crazy fun! im having a crazy fun time with this, glory to mathisfun for this mod,

besides bunco and the betma mods does anyone else have any fun big mod combos that work with cryptid? the codex arcanum mod and DX card one seems so fun but it doesn't work =(

[green cove]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1255696773599592458

[brave ibex]

i don't think any of the other mods are compatible with talisman yet unfortunately

[spare cape]

oh??? thank you

[spare cape]

i mean, bunco and all has been workin just fine

[brave ibex]

you can disable it in settings but you lose out on some of the fun

[spare cape]

oh you mean besides bunco

[brave ibex]

yeah

[spare cape]

my bad, oof, well

ill see

[soft night]

opinions?:

Pizza (Rare)
Create a Pizza Slice upon selecting a Blind up to 8 times. (Must have room.) (Eaten!)

Pizza Slice (Rare, can only be obtained with Pizza)
x3 Mult, decreases by x0.5 each round. Self destructs when it reaches x1. (Eaten!)

[brave ibex]

seems intersting

[silver cobalt]

That is waaay too much for a rare

Its basically a free build

[soft night]

slice could be nerfed to x2 maybe

total slices nerfed to 6?

[snow rivet]

Speaking of Bunco, are cross-mod suggestions allowed?

[vestal seal]

to preserve the spirit of the mod i think it could just be changed to epic

[oak herald]

i just thought of an idea for temple of the monkey god/true sun god

[lime inlet]

Bro u just made me remember a very old suggestion idea i had about pizza slices
Why does this keep happening

[soft night]

wh

[snow rivet]

Would hand types (specifically for 6+-card hands since I think all the others are covered) be an okay "anything else" suggestion?

[fiery cradle]

what does blank deck even do?

does it actually do nothing?

[clear hare]

The ultimate plan is for it to be Gold Staked to unlock Antimatter Deck

[fiery cradle]

ahhh i see

that seems weirdly fair for an unbalanced mod

but i like it

[snow rivet]

Feel free to adjust my numbers. I'm spitballing here.

[clear hare]

why are we balancing our jokers? this is cryptid /j

also labyrinth art is so bad I might need to take matters into my own hands

[brave ibex]

You know why /j

Epic leak though

[clear hare]

ok I found a tool to make the maze, now just gotta stick JOKER in there

[celest tinsel]

thats cool

[brave ibex]

You could probably recolor parts of the wall to look like the letters

Like that part in The center could be the O

[sage crown]

Make it all colored into 5 different sections and kind of make it look like the letters are just stuck there randomly

Make it look like kind of a J but not exactly like a J

Give it style, give it personality

[brave ibex]

could also make the maze shorter and leave space at the top for it

make it look like the back of a cereal box or something

[clear hare]

ok I think I made it work as someone who doesn't know what they're doing

placement of these letters are a bit weird though

[snow rivet]

Alright, all the six-card hands and their respective Planet Cards are in the recent suggestion box. I'll probably do the seven-card hands tomorrow.

[gray elm]

too obvious(?)

[clear hare]

going to try again but make them more diagonal with less whitespace

[gray elm]

maybe try embedding them into the maze walls

idk what im talking about

[clear hare]

instead of giving them padding I'll probably just add padding where it looks bad

oh I think I know what you mean

[celest tinsel]

found a bug with talisman (cant find the talisman thread)

[brave ibex]

You restarted the game right

Also https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1241172556849876993 for future reference

[celest tinsel]

thanks, and it was working before. i hit e10e18 or something on a cheat test

[brave ibex]

Uh did you have infinity chips

[celest tinsel]

i had lvl 216 high card

crypted was off

was doing a vinnila+qol run

[brave ibex]

Ah

[clear hare]

something like this was my idea but diagonal so it looks more in the maze

[clear hare]

known

don't level up any hands

[celest tinsel]

?

[clear hare]

that is what causes the bug

[celest tinsel]

it worked fine on my lvl 100000000000000000 high card (cheat funy test)

is it leveling up in the round?

[brave ibex]

🔥

At least it’s better than the old one lol

[clear hare]

they're a little more hidden here

[clear hare]

not sure what specifically

[raven wedge]

the K isnt centered im rioting

[clear hare]

let me mathematically align them

ok this is the best I can do

now I have to add back the other letters and fix the weird pixels

[brave ibex]

idk why but watching this development is interesting to me

[lime inlet]

why did i imagine the O and E to be placed so it looks like a staircase

m

[clear hare]

m

I think it's done

if I had aseprite I would probably do the cool gradient inverse gradient thing that ex. gros michel and oops all 6s use

but this works

[brave ibex]

nice

[clear hare]

once I make localization changes and remove your softcaps I'll merge if you don't know about any bugs @brave ibex

[brave ibex]

no my changes for balancing 😰

can't wait to see what evryone thinks though

I think there's a lof of interesting additions for a lot of different strategies like buy/sell

[clear hare]

also glitched is mostly working now for some reason

maybe because of spritesheets

wait it's probably because of spritesheets

lmao

[brave ibex]

LOL

i meant to do that

trust

[clear hare]

yep

I would not remove the softcaps if this wasn't cryptid :D

plus idk it feels weird to have them in a game designed to be broken a bit

one thing is turning more of these into numbers to be misprintized

not the daggers though since it lines up with ceremonial

oh I also have to do the 4

0.9 or fewer Joker cards

[brave ibex]

ah that's fair, I playtested by just adding copies at start of round and toning things down from there if they were kinda overperforming xd, even by cryptid standards but ig it does make sense

[clear hare]

also a fair take

this mod is designed to make chaotic things happen tho

[brave ibex]

like notebook was absolutely insane yknow even for cryptid lmao

but this way it's more fun so I see it

[clear hare]

yeah

something like once per round is fine

[brave ibex]

hehe everyone must be confused on what we are talking about

[clear hare]

the once that were like "max of 12" felt weird

[brave ibex]

that was mostly a precautionary to avoid the issue of frying pcs on antimatter

[clear hare]

true

[brave ibex]

hmm maybe there is nothing to worry about

i think it's merged now so any lurkers here have fun

[clear hare]

i'm still testing it

will probably do that and fix the red seal bug, then release tomorrow so more ppl can catch bugs first

or actually if murphyobv streams it before I'll try and do a release then to make it easier to install

[brave ibex]

ah

oh wait that email i got was just a commit not a merge lmfao

[clear hare]

lmao

[fiery cradle]

i added a new joker suggestion

[brave ibex]

nice

[clear hare]

I'm going to have to do something very cursed here

you're not going to like this

[fiery cradle]

wait lemme move it to the recent suggestions box

ok there

[brave ibex]

better not be infoqueue 🗿

[clear hare]

literally off the screen

[brave ibex]

lol that's cursed

[cold sandal]

Oh btw Echo Card info doesnt appear on the left of Eclipse iirc

[brave ibex]

oh you fixed the infoqueue errors nice

[clear hare]

more to add!

[clear hare]

ok I think I'll merge it now and then fix general bugs

[snow rivet]

Hey, not really a bug fix, but do you think it'd make sense to make that many cards selectable when randomization (either through the Glitched Edition or the Misprint Deck) makes a consumable able to effect more than 5 cards?

[brave ibex]

i think infinite (and by extension antimatter) was made specifically for that reason

my tinfoil theory

[brave ibex]

oh nice, hopefully I didn't introduce anything x-x

this will be a new release eventually right?

[clear hare]

very soon

[clear hare]

probably