Cryptid - An unbalanced Balatro mod (1) [Old]

[summer cargo]

gold stake is miserable enough to get to in order to unlock one deck let alone thrice as far

[brave ibex]

It’s ok if some things are harder to unlock than others

That’s why we have unlock all 😉

[subtle nova]

unlock is beat all decks on gold stake

[cold sandal]

155

Requiring beating all decks on gold stake would
A: Negate the part which requires Gold Staking more decks for boosts
B: Make the deck impossible to unlock naturally because of the Very Fair Deck

[true harness]

how does Exponentia work
does it grab the floor value (would be 1) since it's not triggering rn

nvm, it's not triggering at all

[brave ibex]

It doesn’t trigger in shop

It’s when you score hands

[true harness]

why would it trigger in shop, I'm just showing the current value

it went above 2 and still not triggering after all the Ancient triggers

using white hole

[brave ibex]

Could have sworn math mentioned something about that

You might have to wait until math gets back

Tax done, I think that's all the blinds on main finished now

idk what to do now

Fixed Ver, why do I never notice these things until it's too late

Fixed again (💀)

again idk what to do now

[clear hare]

I wonder if some of my lovely patches don’t work on Mac for some reason

That would explain why, eg., ^Mult just doesn’t work

[true harness]

scaling jokers just straight up refuse to scale

universum is the only working exotic iirc

[silver cobalt]

create the joker art for reditus

this plus rough gem is terrifying

[true harness]

Idk

[silver cobalt]

get double scale and that is going to be terrifying

[cold sandal]

(Real quick, special thanks to Jevonn for making my life easier when adding art links to the main sheet)

[brave ibex]

Np

Probably gonna slow down on art until more of my things are implemented

Probably gonna finish my planets and relax

[true harness]

I gotta love the infinite-use time machine

[weak burrow]

a crash i just got

using r to restart brings another crash xd

Oops! The game crashed:
main.lua:5488: module 'lovely' not found:
no field package.preload['lovely']
no 'lovely' in LOVE game directories.
no file 'lovely' in LOVE paths.
no file '.\lovely.lua'
no file 'D:\IDM\Steam\steamapps\common\Balatro\lua\lovely.lua'
no file 'D:\IDM\Steam\steamapps\common\Balatro\lua\lovely\init.lua'
no file '.\lovely.dll'
no file 'D:\IDM\Steam\steamapps\common\Balatro\lovely.dll'
no file 'D:\IDM\Steam\steamapps\common\Balatro\loadall.dll'

Additional Context:
Balatro Version: 1.0.1f-FULL
Modded Version: 1.0.0-ALPHA-STEAMODDED
Love2D Version: 11.5.0

Stack Traceback
===============
(3) global C function 'require'
(4) main chunk of file 'main.lua' at line 5488
(5) global C function 'require'
(6) Love2D function at file 'boot.lua:323' (best guess)
Local variables:
 c = table: 0x0fcf99a0  {identity:false, version:11.5, accelerometerjoystick:true, modules:table: 0x0fcf99f0 (more...)}
 openedconsole = boolean: false
 confok = boolean: true
 conferr = nil
(7) global C function 'xpcall'
(8) Love2D function at file 'boot.lua:362' (best guess)
Local variables:
 result = boolean: true
(9) global C function 'xpcall'
(10) Love2D function at file 'boot.lua:377' (best guess)
Local variables:
 func = Lua function '(Love2D Function)' (defined at line 355 of chunk [love "boot.lua"])
 inerror = boolean: true
 deferErrhand = Lua function '(Love2D Function)' (defined at line 348 of chunk [love "boot.lua"])
 earlyinit = Lua function '(Love2D Function)' (defined at line 355 of chunk [love "boot.lua"])

[summer cargo]

just to make sure, y'all are fine with cross-mod compat suggestions, right

[weak burrow]

how would that come to play

most mods dont fit the unbalanced theme this has

[summer cargo]

more content good

[weak burrow]

still doesnt answer the question of how, how would you make the modded jokers fit the theme

[summer cargo]

who said i was suggesting jokers

[limber schooner]

Same crash

[abstract summit]

i need the download link

[cloud granite]

Hey, remember the ultimate negative joker? I decided to sell some jokers so I can see Wee Fibonacci (I couldn't even click it), and selling some +3 negative joker caused me to go in massive joker slot debt

That happens if I sell it

[weak burrow]

Now you need to pay off your jokers

Better get the loan out

[cloud granite]

I do have a lot of money and ways to get even more, but I am not patient enough to buy 1050 Antimatter vouchers

By the way, new idea for a joker, I'll add it in the suggestions box

[abstract summit]

yeah so i downloaded it but i only got the talisman

also the title screen is a gold sealed ace

[cloud granite]

That's an indicator that Talisman is installed

[cloud granite]

Show mods folder please?

[abstract summit]

i dont know how to screenshot

on windows

[cloud granite]

Do you not have a prnt sc key?
If not, you can take a photo with your phone I guess

[abstract summit]

ok

[true harness]

Windows+Shift+S I think

I'm a reluctant Mac user, but at least before that I had used Windows

[abstract summit]

Cryptic is in talisman

[cloud granite]

I don't think you are supposed to put it in talisman

[weak burrow]

First of all you don't combine the mods, and second of all you have mods for different versions that don't work together

[abstract summit]

oh

wait i think i know what to do now

ill just make seperate mod folders for different bundles of mods

Buh

KEKC it still wont work

[cloud granite]

Can you take a photo of your mods folder now?

[true harness]

0.9.8 bruh

[strange oxide]

0.9.8 moment

[abstract summit]

There's something beyond 0.98?

[cloud granite]

You don't have Cryptid in your mods folder

[cloud granite]

Yes, Cryptid required 1.0.0 alpha

I can send you my mods folder, it works

[abstract summit]

Just send me the link to 1.0.0 alpha

Or let me copy it from yours

KEKC?

[abstract summit]

Is it supposed to look like this?

[cloud granite]

I don't know, I sent my steammods folder and went away from my computer. Does the game work?

[abstract summit]

No

Let me reinstall it

[cloud granite]

Try to verify integrity, you probably have Balatro.exe modified with 0.9.8 steamodded

[abstract summit]

What version is lovely?

[cloud granite]

Idk, last one

[serene pawn]

you can justgo to the latest ver and click download zip

but that might not work

[abstract summit]

I got the thing

[serene pawn]

cool

[abstract summit]

But it says that the injector crashed

Lovely injector

[serene pawn]

do you have the latest version of lovely

latest is 0.5

[abstract summit]

Ye

[serene pawn]

do you have the crash log

[abstract summit]

Ye

[strange oxide]

0.5 might not be recent enough

you need beta4 or beta5

[abstract summit]

I just got it yesterday

[serene pawn]

can you send the pic tho

[strange oxide]

should be alright then

[strange oxide]

what files do you have in the Steamodded folder?

it might be double nested?

[abstract summit]

All of them

Maybe it's the lovely toml?

It's from 0.98

[strange oxide]

delete that

[serene pawn]

do you have this inside your core folder?

core is inside steamodded

[serene pawn]

ah ic

[strange oxide]

that's 0.9.8 core

[serene pawn]

oh right

supposed to be like this then

[abstract summit]

No

At least not in lua

[serene pawn]

hm

can you send a screenshot
you can just shift + windows key + s

with a little delay between presses

or youre not on windows

[serene pawn]

seems to be a lua file still

[abstract summit]

Maybe it's j7st balatro

I got the steam modded

But not lovely toml

Of 1.0.1

[cloud granite]

It looks nested, copy the files in this folder and paste in the Steamodded folder below

Also my steamodded folder has more files

[serene pawn]

supposed to be only this

[cloud granite]

Maybe you just get my Mods folder? It works and you won't have problems with it

[serene pawn]

uh i think thats just a dif version

[abstract summit]

Maybe I only need the core, loader and debug

I did it for the previous version and it worked

Hello?

[serene pawn]

you need assets too

[abstract summit]

Ok

[serene pawn]

its been less than a minute.....

[abstract summit]

KEKC only sent me the steamodded

But not the lovely toml

[cloud granite]

I don't know what this is

[abstract summit]

Do you have the link to the toml?

[serene pawn]

only one is from the recent release.

steamodded release

[abstract summit]

Can send me a link of that?

[serene pawn]

https://github.com/Steamopollys/Steamodded/releases/tag/0.9.8

[abstract summit]

I'm gonna do some stuff

Quickly

[clear hare]

Steamodded source code includes the toml

[abstract summit]

game works but it doesnt show moda

Hello?

[serene pawn]

hm

[clear hare]

Do you see the lovely command prompt or the Steamodded version in the top right (should be 1.0.0-ALPHA)

[abstract summit]

no

yes prompt

no version

imma do this later

[oak herald]

alright time to update my cryptid

[cloud granite]

Hey, MathIsFun, can Talisman skip drawing/removing/changing cards animations too, please? It would be cool

[true harness]

it's been like this for 5 minutes lol

12 baron 11 mime + maximized, what could go wrong

[strange oxide]

huh-

i was trying to use a white hole

[true harness]

that's also what I get after using white hole

[strange oxide]

also it doesn't seem like canvas is working correctly?

[clear hare]

idk why this card has the chips on the back but it looks cool

[true harness]

damn

it's still going

[strange oxide]

yeah white holes always crash

[oak herald]

antimatter ascendant stake

first try

[clear hare]

casual e463991

[clear hare]

can't reproduce, but I fixed the line that was marked as the crash

[green thunder]

seeing big number make brain go brrrrr
i should make sure my stuff works with talisman

[true harness]

6 minutes have passed and it's still going

[strange oxide]

also this

[clear hare]

I can add this to the queue of things to do

[clear hare]

perkeo canvas works for me with this setup

[strange oxide]

odd

it seems my canvas just isn't working at all

[clear hare]

another bug I don't understand: iterum doesn't give chips when scoring with the animation remover

this appears to happen for any (XMult when scored) joker, ex. triboulet

[strange oxide]

hm

all i did was use grim from a spectral pack

[true harness]

grim, familiar and incantation are all broken

afaik

[strange oxide]

huh

[cloud granite]

Buying soul card to get Joker (+4 mult) and selling Joker caused this crash

[summer cargo]

so why does iterum say "retrigger 1 time(s)" instead of just "retrigger once", there doesn't seem to be a way to affect that number?

[clear hare]

there may be in the future

or for compatibility with things from other mods like dagonet

[grim tiger]

that makes sense

[summer cargo]

m

[grim tiger]

m

[strange oxide]

wtf, iterum also isn't doing anything

something is severely broken

[clear hare]

rip

[clear hare]

anyway I just fixed this bug

[true harness]

Idk if m still works for me

since M doesn't, it's not easy to grab Jolly

wait, nvm
just realized buffoon packs don't get affected by equilibrium deck's ability

Ig it's much easier to find Jolly in there

[strange oxide]

that's so dumb of me, of course it won't work with breaking changes i introduced

turns out I was being extremely inconsistent with what arguments methods should take

[clear hare]

wait so what should I fix?

[grim tiger]

question, is it possible to make stacking double scale turn scaling from quadratic to cubic and so on?

[strange oxide]

calculate, use, can_use, keep_on_use, add_to_deck, remove_from_deck, update, set_sprites and load are all changed to take self as their first argument (i.e. the center)

[clear hare]

possible but it doesn't really make sense

[grim tiger]

true but it sounds fun and unreasonable

[clear hare]

so like this?

oh wait it's just self, area, copier

[strange oxide]

it's self, card, area, copier

https://github.com/Steamopollys/Steamodded/wiki/04.-SMODS.Center#api-methods

[clear hare]

ok ty

[green thunder]

oh god more breaking changes

[strange oxide]

it's a bit confusing between centers and cards and everything, but at least it's consistent now (might not yet be consistent for other stuff)

[grim tiger]

btw do i download talisman releases always or from the source?

[strange oxide]

from source

[strange oxide]

I don't have time to explain this to everyone

[grim tiger]

alrighty theres just a release from like 7 minutes ago so wasn't sure

[strange oxide]

i mean tbf i just do this

[grim tiger]

oh god not the git

[clear hare]

now surely it'll just work

[strange oxide]

why is everyone scared of git

[clear hare]

with Talisman I usually make a new release every commit lol

ok now surely this will just work

[grim tiger]

^me trying to start the game without updating everything

[strange oxide]

like downloading a zip file and extracting each time is so much more annoying

[strange oxide]

self is a center, not a Card

[grim tiger]

cause commands = nerd

[clear hare]

canvas moment

[strange oxide]

truly one of the moments of all time

[clear hare]

well this is a good sign

ok now I have to replace self.ability with card.ability every time I call on that

except not every time

[strange oxide]

i should have made it consistent from the start smh

[severe mesa]

suggestion for Exponentia - make the "XMult" in its description the boxed red like actual xmult

[strange oxide]

now cards are already being called centers

[jagged garden]

Cryptid so good Aure had to break it 😏

[severe mesa]

also what are the odds of getting an epic or exotic joker

[strange oxide]

the odds are ||equilibrium||

[strange oxide]

true true

[clear hare]

0.7% per epic, 0.3% for the spectral that makes exotic

[grim tiger]

the odds are ||always in your favor||

[jagged garden]

the odds are ||not the evens||

[summer cargo]

some jank interaction between canvas, blueprint and M causes the game to crash it seems

[clear hare]

that should be fixed

iirc

[thin sigil]

the odds are ||2X+1 (X is an integer that is not negative)||

[clear hare]

50/50, either it happens or it doesn't

[grim tiger]

1 in 4 chance

[clear hare]

ok surely this just works

[thin sigil]

By the way, how many jokers were added from the suggestion box?

[clear hare]

it finally does

I don't really have time rn to playtest so try and find the jokers that crash, I just added the change to GitHub

if it's stable I'll make a release where all the programs are also bundled so you don't need to jump through a bunch of hoops to get Cryptid running

[strange oxide]

alright lemme try

[summer cargo]

i updated cryptid and talisman and got a new crash in the same context

[clear hare]

update steamodded

[rough violet]

the odds are ||each played card with odd rank gives +31 chips when scored||

[summer cargo]

i updated steamodded like two days ago christ

[clear hare]

@strange oxide is cooking

[summer cargo]

...Well, I saw the negatives being created this time

Progress!

[strange oxide]

two days is so long ago

also got this crash still

no scoring animations = no crash

[strange oxide]

seems to be when iterum tries to retrig

[clear hare]

Ok try version i

I also gtg now so hopefully it works

[strange oxide]

ight

still crashes, but runs for longer before doing so

[summer cargo]

Happens to me too and I don't have Iterum

[strange oxide]

ig I'll just leave scoring anim off for now

[grim tiger]

so true

general guideline for this mod is to update cryptid, talisman and steamodded before you start the game

[summer cargo]

new crash on buying a 2nd pot of jokes

i frankly have no idea why

selling pot of jokes also causes the crash so it's definitely something to do with it

[summer cargo]

okay so, question: are bugs related to oversized shops considered a thing cryptid would be interested in fixing

mainly that you can't buy any card past the 11th slot

or, more accurately, any card that would be entirely offscreen in 16:9

understandable have a nice day

[clear hare]

Just resize your window

[summer cargo]

See that doesn't work

there's basically just invisible barriers where the border of 16:9 would be

[clear hare]

@summer cargo @strange oxide update talisman and cryptid, the bugs should be fixed

ok now time to playtest to see if I can find some bugs myself

[grim tiger]

why does the talisman release say in 2 minutes

countdown to v1.1.6

[clear hare]

the glass card looks so shiny

[grim tiger]

smh not even using enhanced enhancements

i did not consider face down cards 😢

is there a way you can just apply the negative shader to face down cards lol

[clear hare]

yes

this is better, but now I can't select any face-down cards

[grim tiger]

antimatter deck is perfectly balanced 🤌

also tf was this shop this was in like 2 rerolls

[brave ibex]

Both Ms and boredom as of right now

[clear hare]

number blocks also planned

[brave ibex]

That one gonna be a certified banger

[grim tiger]

why are my consumuable slots going down?

[oak herald]

using an eternal card in the consumble section gets rid of a consumuable slot

[grim tiger]

oh i see

[true harness]

eternal comsumables are deadly

[umbral dagger]

Hey, finally getting around to trying out this mod, looks super cool once I have steamodded 1.0 running I just need to get cryptid and talisman for the mod to work right? Do I get the source for both of them or the latest releases?

[oak herald]

the source for both of them

[umbral dagger]

Gotcha, thanks

[oak herald]

antimatter deck goes hard

[grim tiger]

happens whenever i try to play this hand, also the deck back is messed up after restarting but thats probably normal

[clear hare]

more juice issues

🧃

[grim tiger]

release works for talisman but yeah source for cryptid

[grim tiger]

also a bit more info, the crash happens at the end of round after scoring, moving blueprint does nothing and disabling scoring animations does nothing

[true harness]

why is v0.2.2g not accessible publicly

[umbral dagger]

oop, now it doesn't boot up when I put in cryptid and talisman

[grim tiger]

not using injector or mods for 0.9.8 right?

[clear hare]

maybe I skipped g lol

[umbral dagger]

Nope, updated to the latest lovely beta, verified files, and I swapped out for a fresh mods folder with only steamodded and cryptid and talisman

[clear hare]

make sure you don't have Talisman in Mods/Talisman/Talisman

[silver cobalt]

Wormhole deck go brrrrr

[umbral dagger]

Oh uhh.. I'm a little dumb it booted up when I renamed the folders from Cryptid-main and Talisman-main just to Cryptid and Talisman lmao

I forgor to do that first cuz I just downloaded the source of both and tried immediately

now it works

[grim tiger]

yea download talisman from release since its easier

same thing but named correctly

[umbral dagger]

now to play with the funni equilibrium deck

[strange oxide]

tbh I should figure that out for steamodded

[clear hare]

fixed this

[grim tiger]

nice

[clear hare]

fixed https://github.com/MathIsFun0/Talisman/releases/tag/v1.1.6

[grim tiger]

🐐

[clear hare]

I'm going to playtest some more and I'll ship it if I don't find any bugs

(Cryptid release)

[hot marsh]

the stickers look so cool

[umbral dagger]

game crashes with this error when I try to play any hand with baron and boredom, it crashes as soon as baron starts triggering

[grim tiger]

did you download this update

[dusty plover]

what the FUCK is that in the top left

[clear hare]

no that didn't fix it

also found this while testing

[grim tiger]

i see

[umbral dagger]

I don't know lmao 😭 I can try downloading the talisman release but mine is on the same version anyway

[clear hare]

🫥

[umbral dagger]

It doesn't crash when I sold boredom and the other modded jokers, so maybe its something wrong with boredom trying to retrigger it

[clear hare]

cooking rn

[clear hare]

fixed it in dev version, just going to test some more before pushing it out

[umbral dagger]

Gotcha

[clear hare]

Pins

Download source code though

[oak herald]

antimatter deck ascendant stake is funny

[lime inlet]

what if there was a deck that gave better buffs depending on what stake you are at

"High Stakes Deck"

[clear hare]

disables stake effects

[lime inlet]

nah that's Low Stakes Deck

actually that'd be funny

one disables stakes and one enhances them

I want ante skipping as a feature tbh

[clear hare]

that would be funny

[lime inlet]

the stakes or ante skipping

[clear hare]

ante skipping

I mean both would be funny

but I imagine someone being like "my build's good enough, let's just beat ante 100 already"

[lime inlet]

i just want a way to make it not take forever to get into later antes

[clear hare]

are there any other 1.0 mods besides SDM_0 dev branch and MystBlinds? Want to test the interactions with multiple mods loaded

[lime inlet]

i have no idea

[brave ibex]

yeah I think everything is still in the process of porting to 1.0.0

[clear hare]

https://github.com/MathIsFun0/Talisman/releases/tag/v1.1.6
ok try redownloading this (I didn't increase the version, just replaced the download)

[clear hare]

now to try this with a naneinf build and see if things fall apart

[lime inlet]

High Stakes Deck: Applies a debuff per stake```

[brave ibex]

I think i'm gonna try to get an exact neg joker sprite working, rn the current one is just an approximation and i'm gonna try and get a definitive one

[brave ibex]

completionists in shambles rn

[clear hare]

SDM_0's doesn't work because of the update lol

[brave ibex]

Steamodded update? if so ouch

[umbral dagger]

thanks I'll try and get another run with baron and boredom and see if it screws up again

[clear hare]

best shop 1 I've seen

[lime inlet]

DoE might be busted idk

[brave ibex]

soul > sell for money > buy Gateway and ankh > profit

i'm tempted to make a boss that can't be defeated by scoring/ be disabled by luchador and chicot and can only be defeating by using an extremely specific consumable

just because it would be funny

[clear hare]

round 5 naneinf

unseeded

who would be crazy enough to implement this deck

[clear hare]

must have The Completionist's Nightmare to beat this blind

(or whatever you called that idea)

[brave ibex]

I think I know somebody

😉

[brave ibex]

lol imagine

[lime inlet]

Imagine it gave 3 random quest like "Discard all 9s in your deck"

[true harness]

waow, white hole fixed
it's time to see level inflation

[brave ibex]

ok put that negative code through chat gpt and got this, should be a good start for now

[umbral dagger]

redownloaded Talisman and this isn't with the Baron thing but it's still a similar error, this time when I try to use incantation in a spectral pack it gave me another juice up nil error

[brave ibex]

I assume steps 1,2,3 and 9 aren't useful for the color modification though

[lime inlet]

and there's a joker counterpart that allows you to beat any blind if you complete 3 random quests

[brave ibex]

we got balatro rpg before gta6

[clear hare]

error doesn't make the copied jokers negative anymore... but I kinda like that change

[brave ibex]

balanced

[cloud granite]

Tried to by negative joker on antimatter deck

ERROR crashes too

[clear hare]

update talisman?

I think I fixed the ERROR bug

ee21 in ante 3 lmao

[cloud granite]

I am sure I did

I download it there, right?

[clear hare]

yep

[cloud granite]

Just updated it, still crashes

[true harness]

nice roll
what are the odds

[cloud granite]

Maybe it's a different bug

[clear hare]

it is

[cloud granite]

By the way, at the bottom of crash report game offers to press R to reload it, but reloading gives an error message to (a pretty short one), is it known?

[silver cobalt]

-33 reroll cost go brrrrrr

[empty fern]

gonna be here a while..

[clear hare]

Reloading is a WIP SMODS feature

[clear hare]

for this error update steamodded

that's also why ERROR crashed I think

[cloud granite]

Thanks!

[brave ibex]

Ok some more work done understanding the code and I Think I should be able to start working in this soon

-The game converts the RGB value into HSL, butnI don’t know how the game converts it/what formula thengame uses
-There is a conditional that checks if ‘negative.g’ is greater than or less than 0, but I don’t know what negative.g would correspond to
-‘SAT.r’ is modified, but I’m not sure what that value that is
If I can figure out all of these I should be able to get it done

[clear hare]

nice number of jokers (with SDM_0's Stuff)

[brave ibex]

@clear hare any ideas? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brave ibex]

Perfectly balanced

[true harness]

my current starting cost for rerolling is -69

well, it's not like I'm receiving money for rerolling tho
anything below 0 is 0

[clear hare]

not really, this isn't my area of expertise

[oak herald]

wheneve we get x2 ante it will be chaos

[silver cobalt]

Nice

[brave ibex]

Aw man

[clear hare]

hmmm

[empty fern]

i think i kept this for too long, thoughts?

[cloud granite]

For some reason Invisible joker gives me xmult

[lime inlet]

wait does the set increase reset too?

[cloud granite]

Also, selling it to the left of canvas activates its effect multiple times, sometimes it works, sometimes it crashes

[clear hare]

why is double scale rashing here smh

[empty fern]

theres a cream for that i think

[cloud granite]

Maybe round counter for invis joker is somehow a progression for it?

[empty fern]

yeah

ive gotten it to like 20/2 in like 4 rounds

[cloud granite]

I get progress on it with Canvas

[clear hare]

hmmm

[cloud granite]

If you ever make challenges for Cryptid, I think Double scale + Campfire as only jokers can be a nice one

[umbral dagger]

Might be here for a while , 4 blueprints, 2 brainstorms, 2 iterums, a hanging chad, and 7 canvas procs lmao

[lime inlet]

I think double scale itself can be a challenge lmao

[umbral dagger]

its still on the first card 😭

[lime inlet]

you got animation skip?

[umbral dagger]

I didn't turn it on lol, I wanna see how long this takes naturally

[lime inlet]

I want anim skip to show how long it would've took on 1X

[clear hare]

weirdest campfire build ever

[empty fern]

that is what i usually do
but i was the one time i didnt have canvaas

[empty fern]

wait is SMD0's stuff compatible??

[clear hare]

there's a 1.0 branch that is!

[true harness]

I made a mistake

Exponentia went from ^1.1 (starting) to ^51.62 in one hand

Ig that's enough to tell there are roughly 5000 baron triggers in total

[umbral dagger]

almost 10 minutes later and this is still on the first card yeah imma have to turn off the animations after this one lmao, this is actually just gonna take 30 minutes to resolve

[true harness]

lol
I'm not even 25% of my way yet

[cloud granite]

Scoring skip may be broken now

[true harness]

I started at 11:27pm (UTC+7) and it froze for about 8 minutes before starting

[umbral dagger]

ok it finally got to the 2nd card lmfao

this is hilarious

[clear hare]

I believe there's an issue with seals

and scoring skip

I found iterum, how high is this going to go?

+4455 mult now

[cloud granite]

I tried scaling up Wee Fibonacci before, want to know how it went?

[clear hare]

ectoplasm made my other negative joker positive

[clear hare]

sure

doing this because I can

[lime inlet]

Operatio Incremento(Exotic)
Sell this Joker to convert all current mult into its higher operation
i have no idea how to word this good basically +mult -> xmult -> ^mult

[brave ibex]

ok I think I figured out everything except negative.g, is that just whether or not a joker is negative? 🤔

[cloud granite]

I raised it to +e21 mult and +e15 mult per scored A, 2, 3, 5, 8, after which it scaled extremely slowly (in terms of e), after a few rounds I raised it to +e22 and stopped

[clear hare]

insane

[lime inlet]

exponentia would go wild

[oak herald]

how long until we hit tree(3)

[lime inlet]

technically speaking you can sorta reach grahams number with this joker

it'll take a couple googol universes but it's possible now

[cloud granite]

Predictions, can my gave survive a round after selling an invisible joker?

Probably not since I forgot about Perkeo and may not even start a round

[true harness]

e1e306 (talisman limit) isn't anywhere close to graham's number tho

[severe mesa]

wh-

[severe mesa]

how do you have soul in consumables??

[clear hare]

let's see iterum cook

[umbral dagger]

deck of equilibrium can put anything in the shop

[clear hare]

game frozd

[true harness]

I knew it

[clear hare]

iterum is triggering so much we broke the game

[umbral dagger]

lmao

[clear hare]

and it crashed

[true harness]

lol

getting close to halfway mark

[umbral dagger]

im still on the 3rd card of my hand, e1500 almost, this is gonna take almost an hour at this rate 😭

[clear hare]

ante -13 gaming

[cloud granite]

Idea for Talisman - add a button to use/sell all consumables
I can't click all... I don't know how many, but more than 2800 now temperance tarots

[lime inlet]

@clear hare there should be a button that says "Skip score animation"

that'd be funy

[cloud granite]

Canvas is 100% the most broken joker of this mod

[clear hare]

you can't really do that the way it's implemented though

[empty fern]

had this for 1 round

[oak herald]

effectively being able to retrigger any joker goes hard

[lime inlet]

could you make it display an estimate of how long it would take to score?

[umbral dagger]

yeah canvas is absolutely crazy and its amazing

[clear hare]

Canvas is above S tier

[cloud granite]

yeah

[cloud granite]

It's 10^10^308 S letters for a tier

[empty fern]

having more than 1 canvas makes ANYTHING take around an hour

[true harness]

I can't use it tho, it does nothing for me 😭

[clear hare]

ok Cryptid seems relatively stable, I'll push out a release now

[true harness]

M doesn't work for me still, I haven't tested if m works

[clear hare]

works fine for me; when I push out a download link with all the dependencies it may help

[cloud granite]

I've been sitting there for 5 minutes with skipped animations, can I beat this blind?

[grim tiger]

i think the blind has beaten you in spirit

[cloud granite]

yeah

[umbral dagger]

meanwhile my hand finally finished, a casual 45+ minutes later

nice comfy e2734

[empty fern]

i have 10k+ hand size and 200-ish cards..

[clear hare]

https://github.com/MathIsFun0/Cryptid/releases/tag/v0.2.3
v0.2.3 has released

The download link now includes Talisman and Steamodded, which should make it much easier to set up

even when Steamodded becomes incompatible with v0.2.3

[weak burrow]

wasnt double scale already in the game?

[clear hare]

yeah but I never officially added it to patchnotes

and it was really bugged

[weak burrow]

ah

[clear hare]

I think M was also in 2.1

wait no I think all the jokers were

lol

[true harness]

it took me an hour to finish this hand damn

[cloud granite]

Are you kidding me

ok, this run may die, I wanted to see if SUAS skip is a thing and as you can see by my ante and rounds, I am satisfied

[empty fern]

managed to make the game ACTUALLY crash..

[true harness]

also in newest version of steamodded you can't quit via QUIT button lol

[clear hare]

Want to quit?

[weak burrow]

i also noticed that

i thought it was only me

i just used ctrl c in the console

[cloud granite]

Jack of Diamonds in French is the best I could find, 18 letters

[grim tiger]

patch notes mention 🔥🔥🔥

its funny how almost okay this already looks with minimal effort

[severe mesa]

nooooo so much good stuff 😭

[lime inlet]

quad ecto?

[lime inlet]

it's been so long since i've done pc balatro i completely forgot what lovely does lmfao

[clear hare]

it lets you mod the game

[lime inlet]

fair

i might just die inside

i have no idea where to put lovely tbh

i forgor

[subtle nova]

What does your steamodded folder look like?

[lime inlet]

i got the steammodded from the recent cryptid update

[subtle nova]

That's odd

[lime inlet]

im pretty sure it's to do with lovely(i completely forgot where it is supposed to be as i just returned to pc balatro couple days ago)

[subtle nova]

Well lovely is saying it's missing a file for steamodded

[severe mesa]

phoooooooo

[empty fern]

does blank deck literallt do nothing

[lime inlet]

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
||ea||

[clear hare]

||yes||

[empty fern]

thats pretty op!!!

[grim tiger]

||m||

[severe mesa]

|| ||

[subtle nova]

Buying blank deck 10 times lets you unlock antimatter deck

[empty fern]

good to know!

[grim tiger]

exactly!

[severe mesa]

some people would say it's better than black and/or green decks

[strange oxide]

remove lovely.toml

[grim tiger]

way better than black deck

[empty fern]

that should be how anti-deck is unlocked
beat 10 runs with blank deck

[lime inlet]

in the steammodded folder?

[strange oxide]

#1217867725532041369 incorrectly says you need to add it

[grim tiger]

yeah

[lime inlet]

wrong reply lol

[grim tiger]

thats just old no?

[strange oxide]

yeah

[severe mesa]

WHAT

I SOLD MIME EARLIER THIS RUN 😭

[lime inlet]

lmaoooooo

[strange oxide]

lmao

[lime inlet]

k got it thank

[severe mesa]

1.4% chance triggered...?

[lime inlet]

first game and got this

[strange oxide]

lmao

rental playing cards are nasty

rental booster packs though

[oak herald]

rental exotic cards

especially if they just have rental on them

[strange oxide]

idc too much if they're also eternal

[severe mesa]

we're so fing here

[oak herald]

truly an M moment

[severe mesa]

that's two M jokers to its left

[strange oxide]

M-oment

[lime inlet]

ante 0 and all this

[severe mesa]

we becoming ax^2 + bx + c with this

[lime inlet]

did not expect this face down card

[severe mesa]

god this mod is amazing

[lime inlet]

why

[strange oxide]

eternal pinned jokers are something else

[severe mesa]

OH

[strange oxide]

good thing it's not also perishable

[strange oxide]

not worth, you'll likely find an exotic in the shop anyways

I'd take it with some eternals

[severe mesa]

🔏

[lime inlet]

mercury is traumatized

[empty fern]

my game crashes whenever i buy a modded joker?

[strange oxide]

update your steamodded

[abstract summit]

guys can you please instruct me on how to download this mod (I am having trouble)

[strange oxide]

you need Steamodded 1.0 and lovely, as per the instructions on the Steamodded github

[severe mesa]

you're jonkling me 😭

[severe mesa]

thanks for the tip

[summer cargo]

trying out crossmod stuff and i like how double scale affects chaos theory's listed chips but not its actual effect, it is amusing

[strange oxide]

you then need the source for both this mod and Talisman and extract the zip files into your mods folder

[lime inlet]

bro is NOT slick

[abstract summit]

ok i got steammodded but what about lovely. isnt the current version 0.9.5?

[strange oxide]

0.9.5 is an old version of steamodded

the current lovely is 0.5.0-beta5

[abstract summit]

ok

what about the lovely toml?

[strange oxide]

steamodded should say something like 1.0.0-ALPHA-0529b-STEAMODDED in the top right

[strange oxide]

it's not there if you have a 1.0 install, and it shouldn't

[abstract summit]

i got it from downloading the source code

so it says steammodded main

ok i got lovely and steammodded

[grim tiger]

gonna finish this tomorrow if theres no major issues with the concept

[abstract summit]

nice art bro

[grim tiger]

i would've done it today but someone took my coffee 😔

[strange oxide]

I mean in game, on the start screen

[lime inlet]

anyone done ascendant on very fair deck

[grim tiger]

[severe mesa]

womp womp

[grim tiger]

its more like emerald stake right now anyways

[abstract summit]

ye

it says 1.0.1 alpha

now i just need the mod

[severe mesa]

dear lord

[abstract summit]

it finally works

[oak herald]

2 hands 0 discards
no vouchers at base gl

[abstract summit]

Bruh

[clear hare]

last time this happened to someone their profile was bricked

and I'm not exactly sure why

[abstract summit]

is there a way to fix it

[lime inlet]

that's definitely a start

cool

[umbral dagger]

even with animation skip this is taking forever maybe I should not have taken the 5 billion retriggers with all the broken retrigger jokers

[lime inlet]

wowie

holy shit just got 3 natural exponentia's

[clear hare]

^

[lime inlet]

should i keep the error or nah

perkeo gift card boutta make me a fortune

[grim tiger]

yeah keep error for negative jonklers

[lime inlet]

free 9k from one joker

bruh

just found another exponentia

just got 2 more errors

accidentally rerolled past another exponentia

the moment i left the shop

[grim tiger]

rookie numbers

[fossil whale]

plut

[grim tiger]

rookie card choice

[lime inlet]

will it crash

[grim tiger]

real pros spend 30 minutes of their life using hundreds of white holes before abandoning the run

[umbral dagger]

so true

[severe mesa]

12 frames 😭

combo of all time

[summer cargo]

This wholec negatives thing makes me wish there was a mod that allowed you to stack identical cards for performance sake

[lime inlet]

everything is worth 30k now

[umbral dagger]

we gonna be running at 1 fps once more mods are compatible with 1.0

[severe mesa]

this gonna be the new Math mod called Ouija fr

[summer cargo]

Well both performance and mass selling/using consumables honestly

When you've got 200+ of the same consumable it's not fun hammering LB for five minutes straight

[lime inlet]

gift card where are you

[abstract summit]

My game keeps crashing after picking a deck

[lime inlet]

is there a modded item that allows you to clear all of your consumables

this lag is painful

and i have 7 errors

might be a little crazy

oh god i sold an error

[oak herald]

ERROR

[fossil whale]

image that would instantly annihilate a small Victorian child

[lime inlet]

there's just a void made up of negative jokers

im gonna have to sell 99% of all my jokers to keep it fromi crashing

[clear hare]

Get this exquisite artwork of Negative Pluto for the small price of $141,499.94!

[umbral dagger]

I wonder if you can get to the e's for money selling all of those lmao

[lime inlet]

i have 5 more errors to sell

and im already at 120 jokers

i have to sell so many jokers

[umbral dagger]

surely you will be able to get to the end of the run like that

[lime inlet]

this took so long to do

[oak herald]

antimatter deck goes hard

[lime inlet]

i had to sell all my double scales, dice, boredom, iterum, universum, pot of jokes, and mime for this

imagine this still crashes

it migh've crashed

like immediately

is my save still safe?

[native lotus]

Once in a while I just scroll through piles of messages and go, damn, we really did quite a lot already

[cold sandal]

Oops

(That was the first suggestion I made lmao)

[weak burrow]

Canvas is like a budget tarlton so no wonder it's busted

[dusty plover]

what rarity might this joker be
Catalogue: gains 0.25x mult for each time a joker is triggered, resets at the end of each round

might drop this into the suggestion box

[oak herald]

rare

[dusty plover]

bet

[cold sandal]

I'd put that at epic considering just how easy it is to get insane mult with all the retriggers

Not to mention after 1 hand it'll usually be x2 mult minimum

[dusty plover]

maybe

seems too powerful for rare too weak for epic

also put canvas at exotic already

[lime inlet]

my fps is in the single digits goddam

score skip is great but god the deck animation is killing me

[dusty plover]

score skip should skip deck animations tbh

math gotta make this happen

[lime inlet]

i just 1 fps holy shit

what's the highest ecto so far

[grim tiger]

i saw 40 something but it wasn't a record attempt anyway

[severe mesa]

oops! oops!

[lime inlet]

112 ecto rn

fps is crying

[severe mesa]

what does antimatter deck do?

[lime inlet]

gives the upside of every single deck

[umbral dagger]

it combines every other deck without the downsides ye

[lime inlet]

it's how i have 60m money rn

i can buy whatever i want on ante 4

[oak herald]

except 2x blind sizes from plasma 🥚

[grim tiger]

i think it'll still have the "all decks you've beaten on gold stake" thing later but for now since thats not implemented its all of them

[severe mesa]

okay what...

[oak herald]

banana

[lime inlet]

send help

this looks like I cheated lmfao

[umbral dagger]

me rolling up to the poker table with my 228 card deck

[lime inlet]

fun fact that was from one dna hand

with about 5 canvases

[grim tiger]

get a few blueprints or brainstorms and that'll be like tripled

[severe mesa]

SHOT NOT WTF

SPACE JOKER CLUTCH

[lime inlet]

that looks so cool lmfao

[severe mesa]

pattern

[lime inlet]

accidentally killed myself

womp womp next game

[grim tiger]

oopsies

got a little too silly

[lime inlet]

just realized

rental deck has the hardest early game in history

[vestal seal]

this would not go well

[cold sandal]

I think I still have the best Very Fair Deck run

And this

I've beaten the 2 hardest decks on white stakes

[vestal seal]

i think i got to ante 7 on trance deck platinum stake

no proof for it though

[lime inlet]

just died on perishable deck cause i just had to get violet vessel of all things

[subtle nova]

Idk if there is a way to fix, but if you sent me your profile, I could take a look

[oak herald]

rental deck is hardcore

[cold sandal]

Rental deck is praying for a good fullskip seed

[oak herald]

otherwise you just go bankrupt

[lime inlet]

i was so tense the entire time

perishable deck done on white stake

[cold sandal]

Nice

[brave ibex]

ok after hours of figuring out the shader code I think this SHOULD be the true negative joker

even then still not 100% certain but this should be it, or at least extremely close (much more accurate than current)

[fossil whale]

when you switch from anti to pro aliasing

[keen remnant]

i-

i- i don't even know any more

where am i

good mod

[oak herald]

i still consider this the best ever balatro shop

[keen remnant]

WHERE AM I

[dusty plover]

not even close.

[keen remnant]

WHAT

HOW HIGH

WHERE DOES IT GO

[dusty plover]

like getting 22 mil in the base game

[dusty plover]

ee308

[keen remnant]

EE????

[dusty plover]

note the two e’s

yes

[cold sandal]

Yes (This is just below)

[oak herald]

yeah

e1.8e308 is when you hit infinity

as shown here

if you could pass this limit, then you'd probably hit eee6 or something

[dusty plover]

talisman but recursive

so the limit is your hardwares processing power

[cold sandal]

Next up: 1 followed by 1e308 "e"s 308

[clear hare]

simply implement omeganum.js

[dusty plover]

we need it math..

we need recursive number storage…

once you get to like 10 es it shows as

1.0E10

[keen remnant]

EVERY CARD JUST DULTICATED???

[jagged garden]

I'm trying out the update with the animatter deck and so far so good lmao

[severe mesa]

yep. that's error for ya

[dusty plover]

welcome to cryptid bud

[cold sandal]

Btw @clear hare
Should I port some of the suggestion box ideas (that in my opinion are good) over to the main sheet?

Or yk

just all of them

[severe mesa]

where is antimatter deck??

do I have an outdated version?

[dusty plover]

you need to download the source code straight from the github i think

i don’t think antimatter deck is in the latest release

it’ll be buggy though

[grim tiger]

it is

latest release is good now

includes working talisman and steamodded versions

[dusty plover]

mm

ok

[clear hare]

For now… the good ones

[cold sandal]

Alr

[jagged garden]

yummy joker slots (playing with my mod makes this mod ever more broken)

[grim tiger]

my ideas surely 🙏

[cold sandal]

That will be determined soon...

Just gotta look through everything

[clear hare]

The legendary you added synergizes really well with Cryptid’s current meta

[cold sandal]

Also just incase

Is it possible to copy rows over quickly or will I have to manually write every (good) suggestion down one at a time

(I don't use sheets often)

[clear hare]

The format is different so you’ll have to mess around with it

[jagged garden]

Haha you got to see it? 😄

[grim tiger]

(pessimism, nihilism and absurdism specifically)

[clear hare]

You might be better off copying one column at a time and fixing the format

[jagged garden]

(I made a push to the branch with its new art btw)

[clear hare]

Oh not the new one, the older one

[jagged garden]

Oh

[clear hare]

Make a negative copy of a joker with no sell value when you buy it

I had that and the one that like has a 50/50 to duplicate or destroy your joker

And a few copies of brainstorm

[jagged garden]

Well if you update you'll get another cool legendary to the rooster

[oak herald]

which one

[keen remnant]

my shop ui is so big it encompasses the deck lmao

[jagged garden]

Shoutout to Joker Stencil

[keen remnant]

OH MY GOD

[severe mesa]

all my homies love stencil

[severe mesa]

you have to major in accounting to know you current balance within the shop 😂

[grim tiger]

make sure you don't get too many overstocks or you won't be able to press the next round button

[jagged garden]

Oops...

My game wont load the blinds now lmaoo

[cold sandal]

Also when an idea is ported im removing it from the box (it's preserved in the main sheet so it no longer needs to be in the box)

[clear hare]

New Cryptid Idea!
The - X Base,

[oak herald]

you know what could be really crazy

incrementium

im no math person, but the factorial of ee308 must be large

[jagged garden]

Btw here's my deck

[clear hare]

I'm going to have fun writing a nonrecursive algorithm for factorials

oh and I'll definitely need omeganum at that point

[clear hare]

2

[jagged garden]

There we go my game crashed

Welp gg-... oh

Nvm it's hellla slow

[oak herald]

ok so wolfram alpha says 10^10^10^634.354

so eee634?

[jagged garden]

I froze time itself

[oak herald]

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=10^10^308+factorial

[clear hare]

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=(10^10^308)+factorial

you did it wrong

[severe mesa]

hey wait a sec...

[oak herald]

so it would just add another e

you know i thought it would do more tbh

[clear hare]

I mean... that easily makes it the most powerful joker in the game

[severe mesa]

this is when we add the notation x[n]e

[clear hare]

(unless I make it blueprint/canvas incompatible)

[oak herald]

oh yeah retriggers

[severe mesa]

and boredom

[oak herald]

it just keeps adding those e's

[jagged garden]

Btw idk who did it but love the Trance deck art, looks real cool

[clear hare]

@grim tiger

[jagged garden]

Shoutout

[grim tiger]

gaming

[severe mesa]

talisman deck boutta go so hard

[clear hare]

deja vu deck

[grim tiger]

i sent a screenshot of the WIP talisman deck earlier but its not really my favorite so i might just redo it tomorrow

[grim tiger]

when someone explains what the deja vu art is maybe

[clear hare]

it's abstract

[brave ibex]

It’s a carpet

Gl 🫡

[vestal seal]

it looks like a tide to me

[severe mesa]

those are some weird stains on that carpet

[grim tiger]

oh my god you're right

[brave ibex]

It’s the pattern

[grim tiger]

i'll do that deck art in 1-3 days, depending on how much caffeine i have. helps a lot to understand what it even is before trying to extend it

[severe mesa]

not me deleting the talisman/steamodded files outside of cryptid because they were already inside it

[jagged garden]

Went for a "simple" run

[gray elm]

Overflow

[severe mesa]

not even 2^1024

smh

[jagged garden]

I skipped on legendaries

Just wanted to get done quick, need to sleep

[clear hare]

that's caused by one lovely patch not registering

[clear hare]

from the screenshot it looks like at least a few are screwed up

[severe mesa]

all of the exotics/errors

wait

a lot of stuff is displaying error fsr

[rigid obsidian]

currently adding more stuff to the suggestions sheet

[clear hare]

try replacing Steamodded/Cryptid/Talisman with the files from the latest release on GitHub

https://github.com/MathIsFun0/Cryptid/releases/latest

[dusty plover]

the latest release had a bit of a problem with me

the cryptid patch expected talisman to have the nativefs.lua file inside of the talisman directory, and it wasn’t

it was a simple fix though

put the file there and the game booted perfectly

[clear hare]

I probably just deleted that file by accident

[dusty plover]

maybe

[clear hare]

When I hop back on my computer tmrw I’ll update the release to include nativefs.lua

[cold sandal]

Gotta eat but I've ported a bunch of stuff over

Will continue later

[severe mesa]

there is an impostor among us‼️

[clear hare]

Big joker

[brave ibex]

It got too greedy

[clear hare]

It’s funny how your installation is broken yet the game somehow hasn’t crashed yet

[severe mesa]

so real

[clear hare]

also guess which one of these is wee fib

[brave ibex]

The 8$ one

[clear hare]

$12 one I think

[brave ibex]

Maybe lower price to 10$-9$ since it’s a rare now

[clear hare]

$8 because Fib

[brave ibex]

Maybe

Better fib being the same price is wild

[brave ibex]

Change wee fib and m too since they both got balance changes

[severe mesa]

my exponentiae AREN'T SCALING 😡

[clear hare]

^

[severe mesa]

I fixed the mod files and restarted the game window

but to no avail...(?)

[clear hare]

your Mods/Cryptid/Lovely folder isn’t there or something

the patches aren’t being applied

Wait you probably have it in Mods/Cryptid/Cryptid

Since Steamodded is loading it but not Lovely

[vestal seal]

the jolly joker factory

also the bug i was having with retriggers was fixed

[severe mesa]

Mm synergy where

also WHAT

guys how do I make $73 here

[brave ibex]

Looks like you found my cursed exponentia layer

[severe mesa]

actually, 71 because I sold both neptunes

[brave ibex]

Sell everything

[severe mesa]

alr how do I buy the other one

[brave ibex]

Might have to just let it go 😔

[severe mesa]

if I sell every other jonkler I get to exactly $50

is it worth for the [4]

(the scaling on them doesn't work anyway)

I think imma try anyway

wait the ^mults aren't even registering

nearly wasted the run 😭

[brave ibex]

Maybe check your mods folder or something cause I think math should have fixed that

[vestal seal]

damn give me the lowercase

[brave ibex]

Never give up 🥶

[clear hare]

^^^^^

@severe mesa

[severe mesa]

so drag everything from \Cryptid\Cryptid into \Mods?

[severe mesa]

m

[severe mesa]

^? @clear hare

[clear hare]

Everything in Mods/Cryptid/Cryptid should be in Mods/Cryptid

[severe mesa]

it came there even though I specified extract destination to end in \Mods

[clear hare]

Well, it was in the wrong spot somehow

[severe mesa]

also the game finally crashed after I tried buying double scale in like ante 6 🪑

[clear hare]

[severe mesa]

alr, rerouted files and deleted excess \Cryptid folder

[clear hare]

You should be good then

[severe mesa]

still getting the crash tho

[clear hare]

You can check if it worked if Antimatter Deck is white

Can you send the crash screen

[severe mesa]

it is

[severe mesa]

"attempt to index a number value" again

[clear hare]

Ok, for now don’t do that

I wonder if the bug is from save reloading or just Double Scale

Will have to investigate

[severe mesa]

likely the former

I hate that I screwed up such a good run :(

[clear hare]

rip

Double Scale was by far the hardest joker to make so far

(Unless you count joker retrigger API for Canvas/Boredom)

[severe mesa]

oh it's working now

[clear hare]

nice

[severe mesa]

the exponentiae I mean

they all ticked up to ^1.13 lmao

[vestal seal]

has anyone ever gotten a natural gateway

[severe mesa]

me, after like 5 spectral packs

[vestal seal]

damn

[severe mesa]

I was so confused lmao

I forgot that this mod added spectrals

[clear hare]

I got it once too iirc

[severe mesa]

👀

[vestal seal]

also btw is there morespeeds for 1.0 yet

it's taking so long selling these jolly jokers

[severe mesa]

I'm two short for it

screw you foil edition

[clear hare]

^

[clear hare]

I should increase game speed when using remove animation in talisman