Cryptid - An unbalanced Balatro mod (1) [Old]

[vestal seal]

release i think

ill try source

[clear hare]

release won’t work

[vestal seal]

i switched to source and cryptid isnt even loading in?

just talisman

[clear hare]

make sure you don’t have nested folders like Mods/Cryptid/Cryptid

[vestal seal]

nope

if it helps i have debugplus but i dont think that affects anything

[clear hare]

i test with debugplus

maybe check steamodded is updated?

[vestal seal]

i reinstalled steamodded like 10 minutes ago

[cold sandal]

What do yall think of

The Ruins 𐰬:
After every hand or discard, freeze one card in hand, and burn another card in hand.
Frozen Card: Can't be selected. Effect goes away after next hand played.
Burnt Card: Doesn't count when determining hand type. Destroy this card when discarded. Effect goes away when played or on round complete.

[waxen oxide]

mmmmm yes

[waxen oxide]

probably on play for the burnt card

[vestal seal]

yeah i dont think lovely is registering anything in cryptid

[brave ibex]

Claw done

[clear hare]

it should only be registering Cryptid.lua

I’ll check tmrw if I screwed something up

[vestal seal]

oh mb

[brave ibex]

Joke

[shell socket]

hey im having the same issue as you, did you get it fixed?

[vestal seal]

no

[shell socket]

damn

[brave ibex]

Redo

[cold sandal]

That is the Shackle

Unless you think it's better for Redo

[brave ibex]

I have a different idea for the shackle

it'll tie in to some future boss ideas I have in mind

[cold sandal]

Two wacky jokers I need opinions on:

Temptation:
x4 Mult, Forces a random card in hand to be selected {Like Cerulean Bells effect}

Spider Web:
x4 Mult, Nonscoring cards stay in play until the end of blind. Remove 1 card from scoring after determining hand type. {If you have 5 cards stuck in play you automatically lose}

[brave ibex]

first one is interesting, idk about the second one though

[brave ibex]

The Shackle Done

New Boss ideas:
The Windmill: all common jokers are debuffed
The Box: all uncommon jokers are debuffed
The String: all epic jokers are debuffed
All 2x base

+art, since they all have similar effects I though they may as well have a theme. Math theme :p

also since the brain is similar to the redo I quickly got that one out of the way also

[clear hare]

We need one for rare

[rough violet]

the tau???

[oak herald]

all that for $29

[silver cobalt]

Wait WHAT you reached infinity with TALISMAN?

[grim tiger]

jealous

[oak herald]

yeah

no ante reduction either

[grim tiger]

why not?

[oak herald]

because thats lame

[grim tiger]

i don't see how it makes a difference

[granite ibex]

you get it done earlier

[strange oxide]

ectoplasm being totally free with pot of jokes and double scale is certainly something

[granite ibex]

Infinity at only ante 13 is impressive

[strange oxide]

with enough vouchers, you can go forever and never win the run

[granite ibex]

when's the earliest vanilla naneinf?

[silver cobalt]

Wow so you can keep playing until ante 2e152

[grim tiger]

before ante 9 for sure

[oak herald]

iirc ante 6? according to one discord comment

[oak herald]

note that this isn't e308

this is ee308

highest in vanilla is ~e2.8e6

[strange oxide]

my run from tonight will easily reach infinity if I just used all my white holes

[oak herald]

yeah but thats the boring method of doing it

[strange oxide]

yeah it's boring

[oak herald]

the fun method is INFINITE RETRIGGERS

[grim tiger]

my runs would reach inf if i didn't constantly get softlocked

[true harness]

assume each ante takes 2 minutes to get through, heat death would come much sooner than you even reaching 0.000000000000001% of the way

[granite ibex]

that's true

[oak herald]

time to grind ascendant stake

[lime inlet]

lmao

What a Joke(r)
Sell this Joker to double ante number then start a Final Boss Blind(Cannot be used mid round)

[grim tiger]

what a shop (i'm buying none of them)

[true harness]

ante -2 💀

[grim tiger]

yup

[true harness]

can't wait to try out this mod

[grim tiger]

anyone wanna guess how many copies this is gonna make? the 2 other white bg jokers to the left of canvas are baron mime not dna

[clear hare]

120

[grim tiger]

that seems low, i'll tell once i'm done with using the white hole copies

[clear hare]

actually you know what?

350

[grim tiger]

froze then crashed

no crashlog type crash

[oak herald]

where's my omeganum.lua

[grim tiger]

this is why i can't hit inf, keep trying the wrong silly strats and it ends up exploding

[oak herald]

yeah at highe ee's the game might cash

i thought mine would tbh

[grim tiger]

402, with my setup a bit different cause i can't be bothered to do it properly anymore

baron mime on the right of the canvas setup

also disabled the skip animations so its gonna go for like 30 minutes

prob not gonna hit inf? idk its 402 red seal steel kings with 1 baron and 2 mimes

also with only lvl 1 high card since most played is currently flush

[oak herald]

well

blueprint with M crashes the game me thinks

[lime inlet]

highest ante meta lmfao

[oak herald]

even faster infinity

[dusty plover]

if you buy blueprint or brainstorm and then do pretty much anything in a short timeframe the game crashes

it has something to do with checking compatibility i think

[rigid obsidian]

seal the deal line 64 (might need to adjust the handwriting a little but its probably fine)

[summer cargo]

any idea why this new and exciting error message has shown up when i tried to install this on its own

[dusty plover]

install talisman

wait you have that

try downloading the latest steamodded code and the latest beta release of lovely

that usually fixes the issue

[eternal juniper]

Silly idea that I thought of at the gym:

+0 chips, +0 mult, x1 mult. If total chips is greater than what it was last hand, increase mult by 2. If mult is greater than mult of last hand, increase chips by 10. If both are greater, increase xmult by x0.2

[summer cargo]

i mean that's what i did

0.5.0-beta5 for lovely, straight from download zip for steamodded

[dusty plover]

maybe it’s not compatible with the latest steamodded code

[summer cargo]

i'll try the latest stable release

[dusty plover]

stuff becomes incompatible within like days

[dusty plover]

no that would be 0.9.8 and cryptid doesn’t work on that version

[summer cargo]

mm

[clear hare]

Use the latest source code from GitHub, not the release

[dusty plover]

if your install cryptid and don’t have talisman installed there should probably be some sort of message that says ‘install talisman’ instead of just a hard crash

[strange oxide]

the game refuses to handle this

i might have to thin out my jokers

[clear hare]

Try newest talisman

[strange oxide]

i just pulled

[clear hare]

The crash is a Steamodded bug

[dusty plover]

mmm i see

[clear hare]

It’s still permanently frozen with the new animation-skipping code?

(Make sure Cryptid is also updated to after I moved that code to Talisman)

[strange oxide]

it still freezes and eventually exits the game without a crash screen

I'm on latest commits of everything

I mean I'm not expecting the game not to implode on what I'm running

[summer cargo]

this brings up a new and exciting bug that i've traced to talisman alone

if i boot the game without either mod it works fine, but with just talisman it dies

what's weird is that line 5450 doesn't even seem to be talisman code, it looks like it's part of the bootloader

[strange oxide]

it's 5490 though

which is loading bignumber

[summer cargo]

oh

i can read

...It breaks if the mod folder is called anything other than just Talisman doesn't it

[clear hare]

Ok that might literally just be too much for the game lmao

[clear hare]

Yes

which is a Lovely restriction right now

unless I try and like dynamically find the folder it’s in

[strange oxide]

steamodded gives you access to the folder your mod is in

[clear hare]

yep, but the mod code is meant to work with just lovely as well

[strange oxide]

hm yeah

[clear hare]

The Steamodded part just loads the icon and version basically

[strange oxide]

yeah alright

could still try to use it if it's loaded with steamodded and fall back to Talisman otherwise

[summer cargo]

Yeah it went back to the desc_target crash after I updated everything and fixed the filenames so IDK

[strange oxide]

alright I think it's just too much load on the game

with canvas leftmost, it doesn't freeze at least

but it's also just stuck

hm

it ended

[oak herald]

ee245
nice

[grim tiger]

need feedback. i don't like the actual effect too much i just had the idea for "negative" versions of vouchers with spectrals colors and i thought that was cool

[strange oxide]

i wonder what that would score with canvas active

it's funny I'm just taking every ectoplasm

M is still broken on too many retriggers

[clear hare]

How many retriggers are we talking about?

[strange oxide]

uhhhhhh

i had it to the right of canvas

but all the boredom retrigs do their work basically

so uh

definitely too many

the hand eval is still going

[summer cargo]

Fixed it

I forgot github UI design is a bit weird so I was downloading latest from the v0.2.1 branch not latest from main

[strange oxide]

it's not stopping, is it

[brave ibex]

Soon…

[grim tiger]

pls feedback

[clear hare]

This looks nice

[grim tiger]

which one?

[clear hare]

I think the lighter one is better

[grim tiger]

alright i'll go with that

theres also this which is a tiny bit different

[summer cargo]

god bless equilibrium and showman

[oak herald]

i'd like to see infinity before ante 8, only rule is no reducing ante

[grim tiger]

all you need for that is like perkeo temp with retriggers or pot of jokes double scale with dna retriggers, then you get thousands each round and buy whatever you want

all of which is way easier to get than it sounds

[strange oxide]

meanwhile I'm out here with 62 jokers and an eval that's been going for half an hour on ante 6 round 35

this is infinity for sure, I just don't know how long it takes

[cloud granite]

I don't think Showman does anything on DoE

What did I do wrong?

[strange oxide]

you didn't update steamodded

[grim tiger]

pixel smoothing off?

[cloud granite]

Can you please give a link?

[strange oxide]

https://github.com/Steamopollys/Steamodded/archive/refs/heads/main.zip

also you need talisman

[cloud granite]

Thanks

[cloud granite]

I have it, do I need to update it?

[strange oxide]

yeah

update everything

[dusty plover]

you don’t even need showman for this lmao

DoE comes with showman built in

[strange oxide]

I give up

[summer cargo]

oh

oh blueprint is compatible with boredom?

[rapid echo]

um whar

[cloud granite]

Me too

[strange oxide]

update cryptid too

[rapid echo]

I did

[strange oxide]

version on cryptid should say 0.2.2d

[grim tiger]

download cryptid source not release

[rapid echo]

or is it a source code zip moment

yep ok

[strange oxide]

yeah don't use releases for this

things change too quickly

[cloud granite]

Did I mess it up

[summer cargo]

yeah cryptid is fair and balanced

[strange oxide]

yes

[summer cargo]

equilibrium especially

[cloud granite]

how

[summer cargo]

make sure you're not trying to download from a nonmain branch by accidenty

look up here

[strange oxide]

https://github.com/MathIsFun0/Cryptid/archive/refs/heads/main.zip

alright

now to doing it on ante 0

[oak herald]

pro

hey wait a minute

[strange oxide]

actually i should maybe win the run first

[cloud granite]

That worked, thanks

[oak herald]

ante reduction spotted 🚩

[strange oxide]

i didn't claim to do without

[oak herald]

either way, welcome to naneinf

[clear hare]

Showman is useless

[cold sandal]

Even if showman did anything on DoE, it wouldn't be able to generate that

Showman doesn't effect Vouchers

[summer cargo]

it does make logical sense that showman would do something but i guress not

[cloud granite]

Disabling scoring animations is veeeery good, thanks for that, but not perfect

[grim tiger]

oh hologram doesn't work for some reason? either cause of animations being disabled or canvas

just added 15 cards with dna and its still 1x

[summer cargo]

wait

[clear hare]

As things develop the more specific animations can get removed

[summer cargo]

ok it's not actually an infinite loop it's just really good

[strange oxide]

yeah it's insane

it definitely feels like an infinite loop

[summer cargo]

not even at ante 8 yet lol

[cloud granite]

I know, just wanted you to know about Talisman

[clear hare]

I heard there were some issues with m?

[clear hare]

no worries, keep reporting these for them to get fixed!

it worked fine for me here

[strange oxide]

I was getting this type of crash

[summer cargo]

oh god double scale works on exponentia.

[strange oxide]

tbh i missed i had another canvas somewhere further right

[cloud granite]

Does boredom work multiple times if it has a >2 in 2 chance? It looked like so when I last tried it but I am not sure

[clear hare]

well we're definitely going to see some issues now

[clear hare]

no

[cloud granite]

Ok, thanks

[clear hare]

oh I see it now

think I just fixed that

[cloud granite]

Also, do Blueprint and Boredom retrigger Canvas?

[clear hare]

ok let's see how many jokers we get

[clear hare]

boredom, no; blueprint, idk

let me test

we have 775 jokers now

it looks like blueprint does

but it doesn't count the canvas as an extra non-common joker

also let me quickly push out the M patch

[strange oxide]

is blueprint meant to be compatible with pot of jokes?

[cloud granite]

In case you want to know how many times your cards are triggered, buy Hiker

[strange oxide]

just checked the code and it actually isn't, blueprint_compat is falsely set to true

[grim tiger]

ah yes, cards

[cloud granite]

I tried to buy another Negative joker and the game crashed

Buying a different joker before it worked

[grim tiger]

ok i'm definitely hitting inf ante 7 (no ante reduction) if i can successfully play a single hand

first going to use all 700 white hole copies though

[strange oxide]

i have some white holes to spare

next gonna dig down to ante 0

oops

[clear hare]

oops

I think my pink stake ante scaling formula is bugged with Talisman

So unless you can go back to ante 7 you’re screwed

[oak herald]

you know this is me realizing that having a strong economy really matters

[clear hare]

[brave ibex]

the bugs just keep coming xd

[grim tiger]

yeah thats why i'm liking the dna baron mime strats since you can just dupe a gold card 1 round and be rich

[summer cargo]

pot of jokes & double scale is really funny, doesn't this make ectoplasm have like no downside

[grim tiger]

yeah

ecto does keep scaling afaik so if you use too many per shop it could kinda catch up, till you dupe pot of jokes

[summer cargo]

i mean that assumes an actual ecto production engine instead of just "using them when you find them"

[grim tiger]

yeah i'm just assuming you're using DoE and have econ

[summer cargo]

aw yeah, now this is happenin

I picked up Error and I have no idea what it even does beyond making Double Scale go mad

[clear hare]

You might like what it does

[strange oxide]

easy, just find perkeo and some copy jokers

[summer cargo]

and... making my five of a kind go to e13 base mult for some reason

[brave ibex]

universum moment

[grim tiger]

holy shit finally someone who hasn't been spoiled

[brave ibex]

The Pin: All Exotic Joker are debuffed

[true harness]

no more Exponentia shenanigans

[lime inlet]

when chicot becomes useful

chicot actually might be good to have in the post naninf antes

[brave ibex]

ban chicot 😉

[lime inlet]

luchador?

[brave ibex]

luchador is not real

[lime inlet]

fair point

[summer cargo]

director's cut

[lime inlet]

what deck should be implemented next

i wanna see ticket deck for the chaotic early game

[dusty plover]

deck of wrath/ deck of sloth

[lime inlet]

wrath might be harder than very fair deck

might be

[dusty plover]

or deck of modifications

i’d like that deck

🃏

wrong joker

[lime inlet]

lol

cryptic deck might be the way

for early enaninf

oh right antimatter deck exists

that might need to be banned

ticket deck + betmma's vouchers = chaos

[limber cloak]

would there be any reason for steammodded to not detect the mod even though all the files are in the mods folder? I also tried with talisman and it detected that with 0 problems.

[grim tiger]

i did a thing

[lime inlet]

wonder how other modded jokers like dagonet would synergize with this

[grim tiger]

btw, no ante reduction

[weak burrow]

Jellymod is broken so no way to really use it

[lime inlet]

rip jelly

antimatter deck is definitely going to be the main deck for highest ante

since it literally is a cheat

[grim tiger]

?

[oak herald]

speee

[summer cargo]

i legitimately cannot tell if it's doing it at this point but does universum stack

[weak burrow]

Oh wait I was thinking about another joker

[brave ibex]

no

Not The Flame: all base edition jokers are debuffed

oh wait I messed up something

Fixed

[lime inlet]

isn't it start with all but 20 cards discarded

in the sheet

[brave ibex]

oh ig it already exists

fixed it

[clear hare]

Funny universum bug

I mean at least not 0 chips anymore

[grim tiger]

universum? nah, skill

[fickle shadow]

It would be cool to have an effect that works like exploding dice, where if the maximum is rolled, it rolls an additional dice and adds the result

Though there isn't really much that works like that to begin with

A chance range but it adds chips

A coinflip Joker that adds a chip or mult or whatever every single time it rolls heads, and then rolls again until it rolls tails

Obviously one to isolate from the chance odds boosters, so it doesn't just go forever lol

[empty fern]

oopsies..

OOPSIES..

[grim tiger]

clear sale and overstock minus

[weak burrow]

overstock minus?

huh

[grim tiger]

👍

[weak burrow]

what did i miss

[grim tiger]

i'm just throwing ideas on the suggestion sheet

[weak burrow]

what does it do

[grim tiger]

i don't even like the effects i have for them currently i just like the theming and art

[weak burrow]

oh i thought its like -1 card slot

[grim tiger]

mimicking a different t1, t2 and t3

[weak burrow]

ngl that would be funny

[grim tiger]

but negative

i'll do the negative acclimator art once the tarot or planet acclimator art is done since its pretty much just recoloring

[lime inlet]

lol the arrows would be pointing opposite directions

[strange oxide]

uh

i bought a second error

[grim tiger]

theres a few pixels wrong in the overstock minus art i just noticed but i'm not sure i care

[clear hare]

I blame Double Scale

[strange oxide]

and it broke my save

[clear hare]

why is bignumber invading the ui

[strange oxide]

no clue

where's that save editor again

[clear hare]

this happened with face down cards too

https://balatro.shorty.systems/

[strange oxide]

ty

[empty fern]

10 min update: still on card 1

[grim tiger]

btw is it known that either cryptid or talisman overrides custom font?

[strange oxide]

getting rid of save.jkr fixed it, i guess that run wasn't meant to continue

it was already cursed enough

[empty fern]

my gme crashed

[clear hare]

o7

try again after updating cryptid and talisman, I noticed your canvas/exponentia retriggers aren't working and you can now skip the whole animation

[summer cargo]

getting gateway in shop 1 is a hilarious omen

[grim tiger]

if i made custom textures for the seal decks would they be used?

[clear hare]

yes

[grim tiger]

cool, will do at least 1 soon

[clear hare]

I will still add the seal in-game but the back texture can be custom

same for edition/sticker decks

[grim tiger]

i'm learning very quickly to never gamble on emerald stake because you will lose

[brave ibex]

Eternal joker troll

[grim tiger]

the back texture i'm gonna make is gonna be kinda lazy but i think it'll turn out fine

like this but the art is extended and uses magic deck colors

debating whether i want to move the candles down more so i don't have to extend the bottom

holy shit why is all of balatro a gradient

why did magic deck need to have 2 gradients

fuck it, 3 gradients

[cloud granite]

I don't know why or what causes this, but for some reason Seltzer decays too fast with those jokers

And after the scoring ended it died completely and, judging by the sound it made, about 50 times

Selling a Diet coke copied by Canvas is funny

[grim tiger]

hows this?

thinking about making the little candles' outlines 1px larger

[brave ibex]

I think it looks good as is

2px outline might look a bit weird

[grim tiger]

alrighty then i'll change a few pixels and send it soon

fancy recolors are so fun

[brave ibex]

What is it for

[grim tiger]

medium deck

[brave ibex]

ooh

[cloud granite]

If you upgrade invisible joker with Canvas, the copied joker may be broken (also may be due to Double scale)
I can send the save file for you to test things

[grim tiger]

so its the medium spectral but with magic deck colors and background cause tarot card association

[clear hare]

Double Scale

[cloud granite]

But negative joker doesn't scale?

Does getting a joker from invisible joker make it a scaling one?

(Also does this blueprint copy things hundreeds of times now?)

[grim tiger]

i think that should maybe be kept because its funny

[cloud granite]

Yes, just sharing

[lime inlet]

Talisman needs to upgrade immediately

lmao

[clear hare]

It is

[grim tiger]

glad we're all on the same page about this

finished i think

[jagged garden]

Trying out the mod rn and it's so funny seeing the shop being so chaotic 😂

[strange oxide]

another thing to keep in mind for disabling animations is money

[clear hare]

All of the ease() functions I have to work on

[strange oxide]

i have a bunch of retriggers on gold seal cards rn, the animations and sounds on that are getting annoying

getting closer to infinity with this one

error has given me 3 additional disabled triboulets

lmao

i mean pinned jokers don't help the fact it copies from the left

i should have thought about that

[grim tiger]

lmfao

[strange oxide]

of course double scale shows up and i can't sell jokers to make room for it because they're eternal

[grim tiger]

it does?

god i have been using it so inefficiently

[strange oxide]

well

||it copies the leftmost 5 jokers that aren't error||

[grim tiger]

gamers how do we feel about these effects? t1 means stuff like aura or wheel of fortune can make things negative, and copying polychromes also has a chance to make it negative instead

[strange oxide]

sounds perfectly unbalanced

[grim tiger]

maybe the t2 should also include sold cards?

[strange oxide]

most normal cryptid run

[grim tiger]

cool

[clear hare]

It might even work better without the seal

[fossil whale]

a funny

[jagged garden]

So far so good lol

[strange oxide]

tbh this build would be a lot less scuffed without all these pinned eternals

[oak herald]

you can't make this stuff up

[abstract summit]

where link i want to try it

[grim tiger]

pin

[oak herald]

two m's, a jollu joker

and i have exactly enough money to afford all 3 without selling anything 😭

[clear hare]

And the slots!

[abstract summit]

where pin

[grim tiger]

discord

[clear hare]

#1219749193204371456 message

[oak herald]

it's too perfect 😭

oh and after the boss, double scaling and brainstorm

[clear hare]

m

you’ll find M next shop

[jagged garden]

Sad, not sure if it's worth it if I get it

(Could replace Brainstorm for the flex)

[abstract summit]

wait do i need lovely?

[grim tiger]

yes, steamodded 1.0 requires lovely

[abstract summit]

like the injector or the file?

[jagged garden]

Oh Exponentia isn't bp compatible rip

Wait no it is, but the desc says not

[strange oxide]

the display is off

as with some other cryptid jokers

[shell socket]

i put cryptid in my mod folder and it just isnt loading into the game

[strange oxide]

you need talisman and steamodded 1.0

[jagged garden]

Ah ok

[shell socket]

both are installed

talisman shows up as installed

but cryptid doesnt

[silver cobalt]

consume-able art

[grim tiger]

bro is still smiling while being eaten

[silver cobalt]

idk why not

also the unnamed uncommon joker should totally be named lost socks

[shell socket]

ok now it says main.lua:3522: stack overflow

[silver cobalt]

the debuffed cards are kinda lost in your deck, like how socks are lost in the washing machine

[grim tiger]

verify file integrity

[shell socket]

ok

[shell socket]

ok i did that then i opened the game and steam modded was working, i use the powershell injector again and now modded is working again but still no cryptid

[grim tiger]

stop using the powershell injector

use lovely

[shell socket]

ok

[abstract summit]

im using lovely and i don't see the new jokers

[clear hare]

I should probably add a check to see if the lovely part of Cryptid is installed correctly

I make the ace of spades have a gold seal in Talisman so maybe I could make it polychrome?

[grim tiger]

can you make it spawn a gateway somewhere? probably above the profile button

[limber schooner]

Hey my balatro dies when installing this mod

[strange oxide]

another note on animations, the negative animations on the jokers created by M also take a notable amount of time when there's a lot of copying

[clear hare]

I was actually trying to fix this with Talisman

There’s still some other delay when creating a card that I haven’t found the cause of yet

I did get the negative animation to stop though

[clear hare]

Make sure you have all of the dependencies and they are all up to date

[limber schooner]

yeah i have lovely and talisman

and still it shows this

[grim tiger]

btw can you get rid of the planet level up animation?

[abstract summit]

I got lovely but cryptid doesnt appear

[clear hare]

Upgrade Steamodded

[limber schooner]

kay

[clear hare]

Use the latest source code from GitHub

[clear hare]

Make sure it isn’t installed in Mods/Cryptid/Cryptid

[strange oxide]

huh, is this too many jolly jokers?

[jagged garden]

Nah keep going

[strange oxide]

oh hey it didn't actually freeze

[abstract summit]

then what is it supposed to look like?

[strange oxide]

it recovered

[clear hare]

just Mods/Cryptid

[strange oxide]

i just have like 20k hand size

[limber schooner]

Did it I used the injector and still my balatro shows the same

[jagged garden]

You have to fetch from other Balatro player's deck for cards

[clear hare]

Don’t use the injector

[cloud granite]

Lovely is probably formed from the word Love, love is associated with hears, make it an ace of hearts

[strange oxide]

do jokers and consumables count?

[grim tiger]

lmfao

make it a cryptid then

[limber schooner]

okay then I use the plain code?

[jagged garden]

As long as you don't steal mine go wild

[jagged garden]

Hands are taking so long to score I'm just scrolling the Internet

[clear hare]

Download the source code from https://github.com/Steamopollys/Steamodded/archive/refs/heads/main.zip

[strange oxide]

hands are fine, but these negative animations

it's doing like 2 per second

[limber schooner]

aha and then??

[grim tiger]

i just got a great idea for a unique stoner's deck texture i hope i am not too inept to pull it off

[jagged garden]

Damn

[clear hare]

Move the unzipped version to your Mods folder

In Mods/Steamodded

[limber schooner]

okay now it just insta crash

lovely crash

[strange oxide]

alright the animations are done, but it's not drawing cards

finally...

[limber schooner]

Done now its lovely what crashes

[clear hare]

Update Lovely to https://github.com/ethangreen-dev/lovely-injector/releases/tag/v0.5.0-beta5

[grim tiger]

ur so patient math your day must be going well

[strange oxide]

oops

and it's broken my save again

great

i just wanted a hilarious screenshot on ante 0 with like 1000 jokers

[limber schooner]

Well if my game breaks with only making one step because mods being mods

[clear hare]

it has been :)

[limber schooner]

Wonder what it broke again because steammodded its doing something that shouldnt

Good now it got rid of lovely XD

[clear hare]

Delete balatro.exe and verify game integrity

You might have the installations conflicting

[limber schooner]

Yeah maybe thats the problem

[limber schooner]

Well if it has any left

Okay I reinstalled all

[clear hare]

I should playtest more so I can spot and fix these errors lol

[limber schooner]

Its just putting the mod and all breaks

other mods works perfectly

[strange oxide]

I fully expect chaos

i just don't like my save breaking

[limber schooner]

Literally talisman works perfectly

what the hell

Well fun fact Quit button doesnt work

[strange oxide]

blame me

it's a reload button now

[jagged garden]

Gotta love making Perkeo even more broken

(This is from one "out of shop" context)

[empty fern]

something..strange is happening ith my score?

[limber schooner]

Just love when

[abstract summit]

Im having a similar problem

[empty fern]

o and then this happens

[limber schooner]

Love my game

Welp :skull :

I will have to port it into another mod i guess

[abstract summit]

bruh this aint working

someone help please

[weak burrow]

ok yall im now working on fewest jokers inf

how much do yall think this would do

idk if googol card is worth

[jagged garden]

Believe in Balatro rng 😏

[weak burrow]

some improvement

also i have to sell exponentia each time since i wanna go base for the test

[jagged garden]

I'm running your build but on another level

[weak burrow]

yeah im looking for fewest jokers though thats the fun for me xd

tbh i dont understand the interactions of the jokers too much to know if what im doing is optimal

[jagged garden]

There's one simple rule to this mod

Everything is optimal if you believe hard enough

[weak burrow]

if only

[jagged garden]

My only regret is not having MoreSpeeds on

[oak herald]

in the later versions you can turn off animations 👍

[jagged garden]

Of MoreSpeeds?

If so that's sick

[weak burrow]

no

talisman

or cryptid

one of the two

[jagged garden]

Is it a code config type of thing?

[weak burrow]

no its a setting ingame you can enable

[jagged garden]

Oh well I'll just do that then thanks

[clear hare]

btw I’ve seen a lot of issues with installing so tonight I’ll release a new version that has a file with everything set up

(Except Lovely, you may need to update that)

[weak burrow]

although i think im just slowly understanding most of my score is coming from exponentia

is iterum even worth it here?

[jagged garden]

The option disables itself when I restart the game 🤔

Like it's ticked off after the restart

[weak burrow]

wait is canvas blueprint compatible?

it says it is but i find it weird that it is

[jagged garden]

Yes

[weak burrow]

also whats the fewest jokers inf image youve seen here

im at 10 jokers but still not there

idk if i should keep iterum

and even if i replace it with what joker

math i need your knowledge to theorize xd

[grim tiger]

you could technically get inf hand level and ditch jokers for the screenshot

[weak burrow]

is boredom joker worth it?

nah i dont want consumables

like imagine you could just start a game with the jokers and then the only thing you could do is press play

with a level 1 flush 5 of kings

thats what you get in this kind of challenge

i think boredom is worth

its also a joker that can go on the right of canvas

[clear hare]

duped canvas is stronger

Than blueprint

[weak burrow]

so 2 canvas is better than canvas blueprint?

[clear hare]

Yes

[weak burrow]

aight

[clear hare]

BP copies the retriggers but not the extra joker to the right thats’s not common

[weak burrow]

what you think of this so far?

idk im just messing around since i dont really understand the jokers

[jagged garden]

If I had that many canvas Id go even more wild

[weak burrow]

i got ee271

so close

also wait i can replace the boredom

i should probably balance the canvas exponentia or go all in 1?

cuz if i think about it the canvas can act as an exponentia

right?

[clear hare]

Yes

Add one more canvas?

[weak burrow]

i replaced the 2 exponentias with canvases

if i get inf ill just go lower

[jagged garden]

Is this a known issue Math? 🤔

The option gets ticked off on game restart, the animations keeps playing

[weak burrow]

i got a lower score wtf

wait nvm i might have missed spawning 1 canvas

[clear hare]

Try on the latest version

There was one version where it wasn’t saving to a file with Talisman

[jagged garden]

Yea I am on the latest version

[weak burrow]

nah im defo getting lower scores

[jagged garden]

(Last github changes were 4 hours ago)

[clear hare]

hmm I may need to investigate then

ty for telling me

[weak burrow]

also its annoying to test exponentia since i keep forgetting to sell it

like i want it to reset after each round

maybe you can give me code to modify it for my testing math?

yeah i tested and it doesnt work as you said

i made sure to remember to replace all the exponentias

either a bug or intended

idk

[grim tiger]

way too much effort, would require more caffeine

[clear hare]

Maybe 2 is the perfect number?

[weak burrow]

somehow 5 and 3 is better than 4 and 4

[clear hare]

You’re getting 20*3 retriggers versus 14*4

[grim tiger]

idea was just a stone card with the tower tarot hidden in the cracks if that makes sense

[clear hare]

60 vs 56

Actually 63 vs 60 with the base as well

[jagged garden]

Nice guaranteed boredom

[weak burrow]

whats the math so i can do it myself

im lost

[grim tiger]

guaranteed boredom guarantees your boredom by making so many triggers that it takes long

[jagged garden]

It sure is working

[brave ibex]

Add in canvas and you will be sitting there for a while

[jagged garden]

I got two of them

One was already too much

[grim tiger]

i guess i'll just try to make trance deck now since i actually know for sure how i'd do what i want to

[brave ibex]

Do canvas retriggers activate boredom cuz I actually don’t know

I think so

[jagged garden]

Hehe Trance deck

[brave ibex]

Seems interesting, unfortunately, no 1.0.0 compatibility

[weak burrow]

ok i got a 12 joker inf with talisman

if anyone has better understanding try to beat my score xd

[rigid obsidian]

seal the deal line 64 please add my art to the sheet

[jagged garden]

That's where you're wrong

[brave ibex]

Crazy

[jagged garden]

My mod got a 1.0.0 branch

[weak burrow]

it might not even be optimized so it might be easy to pass

[brave ibex]

I just leave a comment and wait

[weak burrow]

ok iterum wasnt needed xd

[jagged garden]

Installed morespeed midrun and thank god that makes such a difference

[weak burrow]

ok nvm i messed up again it might be needed

so close istg

[clear hare]

The retriggers are number of non-common jokers to the right and then you just add it

[weak burrow]

i dont understand that sentence xd

[clear hare]

So with the 3 and 5 it’s 3+3*(2+3+4+5+6)

because the rightmost canvas adds two retriggers, and the next one adds three, then four, etc.

[weak burrow]

shouldnt the rightmost give 1? since only double scale is after it

[jagged garden]

Even speed 16 can't save me from the Canvas retrigger

[clear hare]

In this pic there’s also brainstorm

[weak burrow]

this is the latest image

[clear hare]

Update Talisman

[weak burrow]

i got it almost down to 11

im so close

[clear hare]

Here it’s 3+3*(1+2+3+4+5+6)

[weak burrow]

ok so how do i optimize this? give me some desmos link like the good old days xd

[jagged garden]

Pretty sure I got the latest

[weak burrow]

also i aint tripping by thinking that double scale is a must right?

seems busted so i just went with it

well anyways i almost got it to 11 so its some progress

[lime inlet]

how does scaling for exponentia compare with and without double scale

[clear hare]

Check your settings menu

Let me find an image of exponentia double scale

[weak burrow]

Liner cubic and exponential

As you can see it starts slow but goes zoom

[jagged garden]

Uhm yea it's something I showed before..

[brave ibex]

You turn that on

It speeds up the animations

It’s toggelable

[jagged garden]

I'm not gonna explain again scroll up

[brave ibex]

It’s probably just a bug then

There’s still a lot right now :/

[jagged garden]

For sure

[clear hare]

This would be ^472 without double scale

[clear hare]

If doesn’t apply on restart, the description is wrong

And that version also doesn’t save the setting on a restart, so update your Talisman

[jagged garden]

Oh it works, it doesn't need a restart

Wonder why you didn't change the desc

[clear hare]

I forgot to, then patched it right after

You’re on 1.1.0, that was fixed in 1.1.1 and the latest version is 1.1.3

https://github.com/MathIsFun0/Talisman/releases/download/v1.1.3/Talisman.zip

Plus it’ll actually save on a restart now

[jagged garden]

Darn my bad, saw the "4 hours ago" on one of the file and thought downloading from source would suffice

[clear hare]

It’s all good

Also you know what’s one good thing about v1.0.0 SMODS

[oak herald]

double scale + exponentia is enough for eee, right?

[clear hare]

It pretty much cleans the slate, so it might be better for making modpacks that have lots of mods in them

[clear hare]

Baron/Mime is to e as Double Scale/Exponentia is to ee

So you might be able to get like eee6 if you really push it

[weak burrow]

Exponentia is different cuz it scales by itself

[oak herald]

but after that getting to F would be pretty difficult

...actually when would F start? 9 "e"'s? 10?

[weak burrow]

Like after I played my hand to get ee307 I could get inf with a high card

[jagged garden]

Welp, here we go

[weak burrow]

Maybe the next challenge is no scaling cards

[clear hare]

You’d need tetrational mult for that

[weak burrow]

What would be the best without scaling jokers

Iterum canvas?

[clear hare]

Iterum canvas with that joker concept that makes held in hand cards count too

Even then you can’t enaneinf

[oak herald]

genuine fear

ill be suprised if balatro doesn't freak out and explode

[weak burrow]

Balatro exploded way too many times with modding it's used to it

[clear hare]

Maybe Diligens Canvas

[weak burrow]

Diligens?

[clear hare]

^2 Mult, X2 Ante if score beats blind requirements

Or if that’s too risky, augmen

^1.5 Mult, sets chips to 1

[weak burrow]

Then you'll end up on ante 1 billion lmao

[clear hare]

Ante naneinf

[weak burrow]

Real

[clear hare]

Because canvas will also retrigger that effect

[weak burrow]

I mean augmen doesn't really do anything on plasma

[clear hare]

Plasma’s ^2 Mult is like nothing

[weak burrow]

It's still the best deck xd

[brave ibex]

just highroll into the negative sync catalyst

the theorycrafting here in interesting though 👀

[clear hare]

^2 Mult, adds one arrow every time you reach naneinf in an unmodded game

[brave ibex]

lol

[oak herald]

we're putting plasma deck outta business here

[brave ibex]

more to come xd

just have to wait until all the bugs are fixed

[lime inlet]

best deck in cryptid sheet?

[brave ibex]

lucky deck cuz gambling addiction

[oak herald]

i'd say DoE tbh

[lime inlet]

just forgot again that antimatter deck exists

[oak herald]

and then antimatter

[lime inlet]

lmfao

antimatter is better than every deck because it CAN be every deck you want

it's the blueprint of decks basically

actually that'd fit envy more

[oak herald]

some decks probably wouldn't make sense with antimatter though

erratic + checkered, for one

er, every deck thats just "start with your entire deck of this enhanced card"

[lime inlet]

idk how that'd be handled but it can still gain a ton benefits obviously

Ticket + Redeemed = start with every single voucher

[grim tiger]

DoE, Sacrificial deck, Wormhole deck and Cryptic deck are the top contenders i think

[oak herald]

DoE goes hard

[lime inlet]

best idea i ever had fr

[oak herald]

even though it's a massive highroll deck

when it works it works

[grim tiger]

ofc ignoring antimatter

cryptic deck seems like DoE but always high roll

[lime inlet]

Deck of Greed is also a contender

in one ante you could roll forever

[grim tiger]

i guess yeah

[oak herald]

yeah deck of greed effectively giving you infinite money would be crazy

[lime inlet]

and then Wraith your money back

[oak herald]

genius

[lime inlet]

or ig erase debt

[grim tiger]

roll for natural negatives and "negative joker"s till you hit inf first shop i guess

after getting showman ofc

[lime inlet]

DoE + DoG(lol) = anything and everything all of the time

[clear hare]

Are there blank and antimatter deck textures? I can probably add them without much difficulty

[grim tiger]

also black deck painted deck blue deck conflict is so funny

3 decks gold staked just to get +2 handsize on antimatter

[lime inlet]

getting the upsides of all of those decks is funny

[grim tiger]

oh wait yeah its no downsides huh

not combination of all of them just all the upsides

[lime inlet]

Thorn deck is literally just infinite discards

[oak herald]

delayed gratification goes hard

[grim tiger]

not very good tbh

[lime inlet]

banner too

[oak herald]

though my guess it would probably be coded as "You don't lose discards"

instead of having 9999999999 discards

[grim tiger]

i don't think so but i could make them probably if they're just going to be like the vouchers

[lime inlet]

with ambidextrous you also have infinite hands lmao

with trading card ambidextrous and DNA you could erase your entire deck except for one card, then keep duping said card

has anyone tested quadratic vamp yet

[cold sandal]

@clear hare There was this

[grim tiger]

omg whats with thunk and gradients i swear everything i colorpick is 9 different gradients

[cold sandal]

Hehe gradient go brr

[grim tiger]

antimatter has 2 gradients

this fine for antimatter deck?

with or without the negative shader

i could also change the white outline to black for the negative shader

heres both

[grim tiger]

what r we thinkin bout this WIP trance deck

[fickle shadow]

Very cool

[oak herald]

what would the least broken scaling joker with quadratic scaling be?

[grim tiger]

square i think

idk why i just guess that one

wait runner for sure

it goes +15 > +16 right? not +15 > +30?

[oak herald]

it goes 15 -> 30

[cold sandal]

+15 -> +30

[grim tiger]

i see

i've only used it on things that start at 1

and the example starts at 1

ramen if that counts

but thats not scaling really

[cold sandal]

This was the original example

[lime inlet]

i think this is the quad scaling right?

x = how many times it scales
y = set increase
z = starting amount

[grim tiger]

would cloud 9 or abstract count?

[lime inlet]

i mean the value changes based on something

[cold sandal]

Im pretty sure they dont

[grim tiger]

oh double scale does work on ramen

[lime inlet]

we don't have a good definition for scaling joker

yup

[grim tiger]

so final answer ramen

[lime inlet]

negatively

well idk for sure but theoretically it should

[grim tiger]

it does i just tested

the non-cheat answer is stone joker i think cause it just sucks normally

worst scaling joker = worst scaling joker with quadratic scaling

[lime inlet]

what about popcorn

[grim tiger]

i consider that another cheat answer but i'll test it in game

for fun

[lime inlet]

it would die a round earlier if i did math correctly

[grim tiger]

yeah it scales negatively with double scale

[oak herald]

imagine eternal food jokers not being destroyed

[lime inlet]

does throwback scale

or egg

[oak herald]

throwback probably does?
egg not sure

i think gift card scales

[lime inlet]

lmfao

quadratic gift card sound hilarious

that'd genuinely be a very good econ

[oak herald]

now imagine retriggering it

long story short quadratic scaling goes hard

[lime inlet]

let me see if i can calculate 5 gift cards

[grim tiger]

egg and throwback don't work but gift card does indeed work

[lime inlet]

i think this is the equation for 5 gift cards only

i can adjust it to the amount of gift cards and the amount of items

@clear hare if gift card perkeo is already quadratic, what is quad gift card perkeo then(im bad at understanding this type of math)

[clear hare]

cubic

[lime inlet]

k

[clear hare]

Since gift card scales more but not perkeo

[oak herald]

in other terms, your about to make a lot of money

[lime inlet]

wait what would x be

[clear hare]

Also gift card isn’t really scaling per se

[oak herald]

yet some reason its effected by double scale
yet throwback and egg arent

[clear hare]

Oh

fun :)

Throwback and egg are definitely bug

[grim tiger]

bull isn't either

[clear hare]

bull/bootstrap type shouldn’t be

Because of how they reference scaling

Or maybe I can just do things a bit differently for those

[grim tiger]

should be done

tell me when you put them in a commit so i can redownload and look at the pretty pictures in game

trance deck if that wasn't clear

i do not look forward to figuring out how to extend deja vu to deck texture size

yk that may be my least favorite sprite in the whole game because what even is it

[vestal seal]

that looks cool

also boredom seems to be broken atm

[brave ibex]

Last Math Blind Done , gonna put everything in suggestion box for now

[vestal seal]

double scale + exponentia. only xmult is cavendish

[vestal seal]

turns out that this affects anything that retriggers anything in cryptid

sorry if i'm overreporting btw

[clear hare]

Don’t be

Better to over than under even if I can’t get to anything right away lol

[clear hare]

Also broken in what way?

[vestal seal]

they just have no effect

they don't crash the game they just don't do anything. iterum doesnt even apply the mult

[vestal seal]

yeah in that case negative joker also crashes immediately when spawned in

[clear hare]

Can’t reproduce this

[vestal seal]

weird

i'll try updating talisman ig

yeah idk why i thought that would do anything

[clear hare]

working on removing some more animations

also I might see what you mean @vestal seal , the retriggers aren't increasing chip total

nor are the cards themselves for that matter

[oak herald]

for some reason i want the fire to change color if you've overshot by a lot

[vestal seal]

at least for you it gave the effects. it isnt even applying that for me

[silver cobalt]

thought of a name for the unnamed common joker and made art.
Lost Socks
you trying to search for the three debuffed cards is like trying to search for your socks eaten by the washing machine, and this art is where the lost socks go (the void of space). dont ask why theres an aurora

[clear hare]

🌌

[clear hare]

I can't figure out how to get rid of that pause at the end

it only happens with the gold seal cards

[cold sandal]

I guess I wont be doing that then

[clear hare]

something's wrong with your Talisman install

Big shouldn't be nil

[cold sandal]

I think I figured it out

There we go

All I wanna do is get an hour of recording and this happens (Whats important is near the end I don't have a proper way to edit this)

Dunno if it's a talisman thing or a cryptid thing

[clear hare]

talisman and I'm on it right now

I would say "update" but this also looks like it would happen on the latest version

(you should still update)

[cold sandal]

I did update before doing that

[clear hare]

oh maybe you just didn't update smods

I forgot that I also added the ability to see versions recently

[severe mesa]

what are the odds of getting an exotic joker? just curious

[vestal seal]

it can only be spawned from deck of equilibrium (same as everything else) or from gateway which spawns in spectrals with soul rarity

i think

[clear hare]

Gateway has a 0.3% chance of appearing for each spectral card from a pack, and in the Deck of Equilibrium it's currently a 4/286 to get an exotic joker or gateway per card generated

[clear hare]

I still can't figure this out though

rather than bash my head at it I'll just come back to it later

[vestal seal]

programming

[green thunder]

is it due to ease_dollars

[clear hare]

no, I patched that

--Easing fixes
local edo = ease_dollars
function ease_dollars(mod, instant)
  if Talisman.config_file.disable_anims and (Talisman.calculating_joker or Talisman.calculating_score) then
    mod = mod or 0
    if mod < 0 then inc_career_stat('c_dollars_earned', mod) end
    G.GAME.dollars = G.GAME.dollars + mod
    Talisman.dollar_update = true
  else return edo(mod, instant) end
end

inc_career_stat doesn't mess with event manager either

[severe mesa]

🪲 - pressing R after an error causes another error on window start

manually reopening works fine however

[clear hare]

there's also some animation when spawning a card that I wasn't able to remove, even though I patched set_edition and start_materialize

anyway I also fixed a crash so I'm just going to ship what I have now and worry abuot it later

[rigid obsidian]

added a few decks to the suggestions sheet

[clear hare]

hmm I wonder what will happen now that I fixed double scale

[subtle nova]

which error does this throw? wondering if this is something broken on the steamodded end or just in cryptid

[clear hare]

oh no...

hmmmm

scaling with sell value was never intended... but it's also funny

so I'm keeping it in

[true harness]

it's supposed to be unbalanced, what do you expect

[clear hare]

it happened by accident with gift card but now I'm making it official with egg as well

[true harness]

just keep anything that is broken in some way

um, what does "savefile" mean in talisman limitation notes
is it a saved run

so when reverting to non-modified Balatro, that saved run is not playable?

[clear hare]

yes

[true harness]

I misinterpreted that as "loaded profiles" lol

that spooked me for a bit, thinking it would be a one-way path to permanent modding

[clear hare]

no, my goal is to not corrupt profiles

although there's a chance it may happen if my code is bad

new deck textures in-game

[vestal seal]

should probably remove the seal bit

[clear hare]

these look amazing, thx @grim tiger

[rigid obsidian]

a mod which permanently altered the game in some way on purpose would either be qol or bad practice

[clear hare]

I'll add that in, they look better without the seal

[rigid obsidian]

make the seal a toggle /hj

do the sticker decks need art?

[clear hare]

they don't have any yet

[grim tiger]

yw, they're pretty much just fancy recolors so they were fun to make

[rigid obsidian]

i could make some

[true harness]

looks so cool as combined texture

[shell socket]

what do i do here

[vestal seal]

update steamodded

[clear hare]

transparency does not look good in-game

with decks

[true harness]

lol, I can't even load the current Cryptid

wait
wrong file

[clear hare]

it looks pretty good here

[clear hare]

why did you paste en_us.lua

lol

[true harness]

I reverted it back to English by copying and pasting the whole text block in file and it seemed like clicking on crash screen does nothing

is this the correct one? (pasting converts to text file)

yea it is

[clear hare]

update steamodded

[true harness]

I did get steamodded-main a few minutes before downloading talisman and cryptid

[clear hare]

oh

download cryptid from source

[true harness]

also did

[clear hare]

you would see 0.2.2g then

try from here https://github.com/MathIsFun0/Cryptid/archive/refs/heads/main.zip

[true harness]

ok, that did not had me expected

it's nowhere to be found before you sent the link

uhh

[clear hare]

this is the sort of deck you might get from antimatter (before applying cryptid decks)

[cold sandal]

What if you had perkeo with that

You have 3/2 consumables

Can it spawn consumables?

[clear hare]

no

ok now time to figure out how to implement the enhancement, edition, seal, and pinned decks in a fun way

[brave ibex]

what if it was randomish like erratic

[clear hare]

that's my idea

[brave ibex]

or somethinglike all aces are bonus, all 2 are mult. all 3 are stone etc

[clear hare]

random enhancement, random edition, random seal, 10% chance for each sticker

[brave ibex]

gl with that

[true harness]

buying negative (+3 joker slot) does this lol

[cold sandal]

Antimatter was upsides iirc
So unless you're changing it
Stickers aren't upsides

[clear hare]

oh it was

unlock and gold stake condition won't work right now btw, I'll add that later™️

10 of spades seed on this would be fun

[brave ibex]

Maybe change the unlock to “win with blank deck on ascendant stake”

Might conflict with disabling stakes in options but might be more interesting