#Cryptid - An unbalanced Balatro mod (1) [Old]

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lime inlet
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basically just stole almost all of my boss ideas lmao

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current


Ante-based debuffs:
Ante 40+: +2 Blinds per ante
Ante 40+: Duo Boss Blinds (Combines 2 Boss/Final Boss Blinds)
Ante 45+: Money can only be gained every other ante onward
Ante 45+: Can only visit shop once per ante
Ante 50+: Remove 2 random vouchers every ante
Ante 50+: After every round, add 5 random base cards to deck
Ante 60+: Every 3rd ante onward will only contain Duo Final Boss Blinds
Ante 60+: All Blinds will be Boss/Final Boss Blinds with 2 being Duo Blinds
Ante 100+: Ante scaling instantly jumps by 50%, and increases by 1% per ante

PI Boss/Final Boss Blinds:
The Mimic: Set blind requirements to twice your highest scoring hand this run
The Rage: 1x base; Blind requirements increase by 50% after each hand or discard
The Joke: 2x base; If blind requirements are beaten by more than 2x, set ante to next multiple of 8
The Brain: 2x base; 5 most played cards this run are drawn last
Vermillion Virus: 2x base; Replaces a random Joker with a different Joker after each hand played
Obsidian Orb: Must beat all previous bosses (i.e. a Boss Rush)```
weak burrow
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i think x2 your highest hand is brutal lmao

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especially on ante like 48 or something oh god

lime inlet
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considering you are dealing with exponentiation at that point i might need to buff it :)

weak burrow
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Yeah but most people would use almost everything they have to even get past ante 39

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So doubling that is basically everything you have x2

lime inlet
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let's be honest at that stage having an exotic is practically guaranteed

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hear me out

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what if

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the tier 3 vouchers were post infinite only

weak burrow
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considering theres 32 vouchers and 39 antes i think it makes sense to do them pre infinite

lime inlet
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soooo... not post infinite?

weak burrow
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yeah

clear hare
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sure

rigid obsidian
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(46 if you include suggestions)

weak burrow
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i know cryptid adds vouchers but he wanted to limit these vouchers to when you went past ante 39

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hence what i said

rigid obsidian
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still

brave ibex
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Another Exotic finished (Crustulum)

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I think it turned out well

cold sandal
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Follow the Leader (Line 52)

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x2 scale

brave ibex
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woah

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is it possible to make the 4 cards in the bottom oriented like the family, maybe it would look better 🤔

cold sandal
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Like this?

brave ibex
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yeahh

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I think it looks a bit better

cold sandal
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yeah

brave ibex
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like they are looking up at it

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ofc it's a matter of opinion

soft night
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i saw this mod has exponential mult and i raise you the utterly broken idea of tetrative mult

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why? because number go up funny

cold sandal
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About that

soft night
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OH MY GOD

cold sandal
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(We decided that if we were doing that it'd be .01)

soft night
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TETRATIVE MULT LET'S GOOO

weak burrow
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soon enough even the beyond inf mod wont be enough

soft night
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............okay but can we do pentative mult

cold sandal
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Beyond Beyond Inf coming soon?

clear hare
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progress update

weak burrow
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yooo letsgo

soft night
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this is insane

weak burrow
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finally post inf

clear hare
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vv is so scary right now

cold sandal
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People are gonna achieve e100000 so easily with exponentia canvas

weak burrow
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wait

clear hare
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I wouldn't be surprised to see naneinf 2

weak burrow
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is the mod 1.0.0 or 0.9.8?

clear hare
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(10^naneinf)

clear hare
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so it works with both and neither

lime inlet
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Ante 100+: Ante increases every round
:)

weak burrow
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oh

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nice

clear hare
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even vanilla players can use this

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still not quite done yet

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like the score preview is quite screwed up for some reason

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post-naneinf

weak burrow
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will this make divvys mod work past inf?

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or not

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i wonder if it can affect other mods

soft night
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so is this mod home to the most batshit insane joker concepts possible

lime inlet
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kinda

weak burrow
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the description is "an unbalanced balatro mod"

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so yes

soft night
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tactical nuke: sell to destroy EVERYTHING in your current possession and win the entire ante

weak burrow
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yeah but it would only be good for ante 8

clear hare
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will it crash though? probably

weak burrow
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oh so the answer is basically no

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if it crashes whats the point

rigid obsidian
lime inlet
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sheet is pinned so u can check it out

soft night
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i see it and holy cow

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cavendish upgrade

rigid obsidian
soft night
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WHAT IS THIS

cold sandal
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You stole my post

soft night
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THAT IS LUDICROUS

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can we have an exotic die that makes all chances guaranteed

lime inlet
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pretty funny screenshot ngl

rigid obsidian
cold sandal
rigid obsidian
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You stole my post

soft night
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lacatan upgrade that gives ↑↑2 mult at a 1 in [32 bit integer limit] of being destroyed

cold sandal
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💀

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Destroy it for another banana that gives ^^^2 mult

rigid obsidian
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question, what happens if the game is asked about "1 in 0"? "-1 in -2"?

strange oxide
lime inlet
rigid obsidian
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5 in -3?

clear hare
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it just divides

lime inlet
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that's where idk

clear hare
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so 1/0, -1/-2, 5/-3, you do the rest..

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and then it generates #s between 0 and 1

strange oxide
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In other words it just doesn't trigger

grim tiger
strange oxide
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comparison with nan is always false

lime inlet
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side note just found out why anything over 0 = undefined

soft night
strange oxide
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-1/-2 is just 1/2, so nothing weird there

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= 1 always triggers, <= 0 never triggers

cold sandal
rigid obsidian
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oh right the game uses floating point sorry i was confused about the 1/0 thing

soft night
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rayo's number mult

clear hare
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simply port ExpantaNum.js to lua

cold sandal
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tree(rayo's number) mult

strange oxide
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just make an f_(eps_0) level bignum lib

rigid obsidian
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is it possible to make a mod where the game stops using floating point?

strange oxide
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why would you...

soft night
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crash the game instantly

strange oxide
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that sounds highly unfun

rigid obsidian
subtle nova
clear hare
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fixed it

strange oxide
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nice

clear hare
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it's because the game uses math.log() for some scoring effects, so I just hardcapped the value

strange oxide
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low chips tho

subtle nova
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Oh yeah I fixed that

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And I fixed the fire

clear hare
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anyway I think it's almost shippable now

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just have to get saving/loading to work

soft night
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this mod sounds like absolute pure chaos to stream to my friends who can barely handle e15 scores

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how easy is it to obtain a game-rending joker

lime inlet
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surprisingly difficult

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i mean you can only get the truly broken stuff aka exotics through a spectral which has worse odds than soul

soft night
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can you add a setting to make those chances adjustable

rigid obsidian
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and the tag with a 1 in 3 chance to create that tag

soft night
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we ultrakilling the game now

rigid obsidian
cold sandal
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Theres also a spectral that allows you to make jokers eternal, which allows you to have 2 Exotics

lime inlet
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and spiritual cleanse chillin

rigid obsidian
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how does spiritual cleanse work?

lime inlet
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it cancels out any drawbacks from spectrals

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what counts as a drawback is beyond me ig

rigid obsidian
lime inlet
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i just assume it's the 2nd effect of the spectral if it has one

rigid obsidian
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well then it sucks

lime inlet
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well i mean gateway doesn't destroy your jokers

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ecto doesn't reduce handsize

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ankh/hex doesn't destroy jokers either

rigid obsidian
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what about immolate? or grim?

lime inlet
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then following its effect immolate doesn't destroy cards and fuck i forgot what grim does

rigid obsidian
lime inlet
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ig it'll just, not destroy a card

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i think the wording needs to be specified

rigid obsidian
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personally i think those would be sidegrades but i understand

lime inlet
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cause obviously with smth like immolate sometimes destroying cards is useful

rigid obsidian
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yea

lime inlet
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maybe it could give you the option to disable certain aspects of spectrals???

rigid obsidian
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i think thats just a better effect tbh

weak burrow
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Immolate destroying cards is the function of the spectral, not a drawback

lime inlet
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so is gaining $20 the drawback

weak burrow
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20 dollars is another benefit

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Immolate doesn't have drawbacks tbh

lime inlet
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i doubt the intention of immolate is to be a win win

clear hare
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destroying the cards is the "drawback"

lime inlet
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obviously it can be a win win but its intention is to make you lose cards

rigid obsidian
weak burrow
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I mean deck thinning is good

rigid obsidian
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there are also cases where you want less hand size, like rental

weak burrow
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Maybe make immolate be able to select the cards?

lime inlet
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spiritual cleanse changes how spectrals work then ig

rigid obsidian
dusty plover
rigid obsidian
# rigid obsidian thats its deluxe effect though

but maybe it could make all spectrals deluxe instead? a lot of deluxe spectrals are just spectrals without their downsides (like deluxe wraith is just "create a rare joker" without the setting money to 0)

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although it would have depencies on deluxe consumables

strange oxide
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immolate doesn't have a drawback imo, and wraith setting money to 0 is also beneficial sometimes

clear hare
rigid obsidian
clear hare
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I also want to figure out how to get the retrigger delay to be lower for naneinf rounds to go faster

strange oxide
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EvenMoreSpeed

weak burrow
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Talking about more speed

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You have to integrate it to steamodded and have an option to add a custom speed

dusty plover
weak burrow
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Literally a net positive that way

dusty plover
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JESUS

brave ibex
lime inlet
oak herald
clear hare
brave ibex
rigid obsidian
weak burrow
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Chicot makes it so nothing can disable your build

brave ibex
rigid obsidian
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oh ok then there is no downside

lime inlet
grim tiger
lime inlet
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that'd be funny ngl

grim tiger
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m

rigid obsidian
lime inlet
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imagine splitting ecto

strange oxide
lime inlet
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and you have 50 copies of -1 handsize

grim tiger
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lmao

clear hare
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based on the code it looks like it eventually just runs at max speed

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unless we just remove the animation

strange oxide
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has anyone tried setting the game speed to math.huge?

rigid obsidian
brave ibex
clear hare
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that's probably out of my place for now though

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let me get double-e numbers to work first

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I'd want them to display like 1e9e100

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or maybe 1e9.0e100

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what do you think is the best?

oak herald
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1e9.0e100

strange oxide
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I prefer things like ee100.70

oak herald
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🤔

lime inlet
rigid obsidian
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real

clear hare
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I could just discard the first part

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do e1.0e100

grim tiger
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or apply to 1 random card in hand x2

rigid obsidian
clear hare
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yeah this looks much more favorable

soft night
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e

weak burrow
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I personally think it's weird if there's no number before the e

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Can't 9 be a number there? As an example

oak herald
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at stuff like ee

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do you really need that number

weak burrow
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Like or is only 1 possible?

oak herald
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also can you fix the fire bugging out past e308

clear hare
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I can do something like that

weak burrow
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So it doesn't make sense to start with an e

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Just limit the digits of precision

clear hare
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yeah I'll just do 1e2.0e10

weak burrow
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Like 1 digit of precision for the first and second numbers and 2 for the third one

clear hare
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hmmm...

lime inlet
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best ante fr

strange oxide
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I'd say no more than 5 or 6 digits for exponents

clear hare
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The thing is, people have gotten scores that would be 7 digits

strange oxide
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I'd rather 1ee7 than 1e10000000

clear hare
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and they'd probably wnat regular notation

rigid obsidian
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when does e notation start in basegame?

clear hare
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I also can't figure out why my scaling isn't working

clear hare
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I use the same number as that

oak herald
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1e11

clear hare
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^^

oak herald
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(100 billion)

rigid obsidian
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cool alr

oak herald
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for the second e id add it at ee10

strange oxide
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yeah seems fair

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it's just that 10 digits unformatted dont' look great

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I'm fine with 9.9e4,545,167,043

clear hare
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omg...

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I'm trying to fix this but it just gets worse lol

grim tiger
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my favorite joker "7043"

lime inlet
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is it just me or is the 69420 bigger

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or ig more compressed together

clear hare
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but why does this work?

clear hare
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oh wait I know why

strange oxide
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the x.ye takes roughly 3 digits worth of space

clear hare
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I think it does fixed scaling for scientific notation

strange oxide
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also it's scaled

clear hare
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I'm just going to do the string length of it

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ok, this is an improvement...

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I'll do the comma thing when I get home and then publish this

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ante not shrinking is annoying but it can be fixed latr

brave ibex
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we are almost there 👀

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Another Exotic finished (Redeo)

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Gonne eat lunch and continue on something after that

dusty plover
lime inlet
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holy shit

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12% done

brave ibex
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it's a little bit more then that

lime inlet
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yea ik

brave ibex
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it doesn't look like m was checked off + I don't see boredom (math said he added it lmao)

lime inlet
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omg suggestions lol

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If you lose the run, come back with -$20, -1 Joker and -1 Ante. If all requirements aren't filled then you permanently lose```
brave ibex
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all good, link if you need it

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Supercell Joker balatrojoker (come up with an effect)

lime inlet
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the hell is supercell lol

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im dum

clear hare
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clash royale

brave ibex
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Dangit I missed a pixel

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Wait no that’s discord

rigid obsidian
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how does pinned work rn? and is it supported for consumables and playing cards yet?

lime inlet
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thought of a sticker that basically revives a card but replaces another card if slots are full

clear hare
rigid obsidian
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ok but what if there are two or more of them

lime inlet
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wdym like 2 pinned cards?

rigid obsidian
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yes

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they cannot both be in the leftmost position so what happens

clear hare
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so two leftmost positions

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the same as how vanilla handles it for Ceremonial Dagger challenge

rigid obsidian
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hmm okay but is it jank

lime inlet
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simple

clear hare
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oh hey, there's commas now

brave ibex
rigid obsidian
lime inlet
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imo it is meant to be fun through the fact it's unbalanced

rigid obsidian
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please implement a joker with xmoney

lime inlet
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technically that exists already

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just in the form of percentages

rigid obsidian
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where?

lime inlet
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Compound Interest

rigid obsidian
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do you mean interest

lime inlet
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no that's the name of the joker

rigid obsidian
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oh its a cryptid thing ok

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"1.15X money when Boss Blind defeated, +0.05X per consecutive payout"

oak herald
clear hare
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make sure you're using the latest github of steamodded 1.0.0

oak herald
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👍

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could i get link rq

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too lazy to look up for myself

clear hare
oak herald
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thanks

clear hare
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yw

oak herald
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though im probably still dumb, i guess 1.0.0 isn't public yet techinally?

clear hare
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it's public, just not released because it's in an alpha

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got the ante display to work better finally

oak herald
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understandable, i only see up to 0.9.8 😔

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no idea where i'd find alphas

clear hare
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you'll have to download the source code

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and install with the Lovely method

oak herald
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worked perfectly, thanks

clear hare
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ante 69420

brave ibex
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Winnable

clear hare
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ok what absurdly high number should I set the ante to

lime inlet
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96400

oak herald
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54,500

clear hare
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bigger

lime inlet
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e11

clear hare
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ok

lime inlet
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Tree(Tree(Tree(Tree(Tree...

weak burrow
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whats the highest ante that can be done with the mod

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considering the scaling

clear hare
weak burrow
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since you said this also has a limit

rigid obsidian
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naneinf probably

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unless its now einfeinf or something similar, then it would be that instead of naneinf

clear hare
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probably e150-ish

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going to try and polish up the formatting first, hold on

weak burrow
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do e100 i wanna see that number

clear hare
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@weak burrow

weak burrow
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why do we not see the first number

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i thought we should be able to see it

clear hare
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I'm messing with formatting at the same time

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it really doesn't matter at this point

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it's like trying to see the first digit of graham's number

weak burrow
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i think it kinda matters for consistency

rigid obsidian
clear hare
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unknown

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I think people know the last few though

rigid obsidian
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wow its probably something irrational then

clear hare
rigid obsidian
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i should probably learn what grahams number is then, i like numbers with irrational digits

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thank you

clear hare
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yw

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ante ~2e153 is near the limit

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3e153 will go above that (which I need to handle)

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behold, enaneinf

dull holly
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Just 1 small question. How do I get the Steamodded 1.0.0. ALPHA? 😓

subtle nova
clear hare
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@dull holly

dull holly
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thx! @clear hare

clear hare
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yw

brave ibex
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also get rid of any mods that aren't compatible with 1.0.0 yet

clear hare
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ok let me make sure scoring infinity works at laest

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then I can publish this mod

subtle nova
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By default the game doesn't let you win if the blind requirement is infinity and you score infinity

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Cause localthunk checks if you won in a weird way

clear hare
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also if we're doing inf, may as well do...

clear hare
subtle nova
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Yeah

clear hare
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I think this'll hit the new limit

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nevermind, only e6e251 golden_joker

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I need to make that scale as well...

subtle nova
dull holly
clear hare
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just remove all of them

grim tiger
clear hare
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0.9.8 mods aren't compatible with 1.0.0

subtle nova
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a few are

clear hare
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ones that use mostly if not all lovely will work

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(ex. Ankh)

subtle nova
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divy's score preview works on both

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and doesn't use lovely

grim tiger
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how???

subtle nova
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it doesn't have an init or use any steamodded apis

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just overwrties functions

grim tiger
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i see, i realized that might be the case but like why did they not use lovely for that

subtle nova
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I think it wasn't as big when first made

clear hare
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alr let's see if this crashes

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yes it does! (but it scored at least)

cold sandal
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Interesting ante

dusty plover
clear hare
weak burrow
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Also talking about the score improvements mod Wilson made

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What will happen to that with this mod

clear hare
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it doesn't really matter anymore

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since my mod pretty much does everything it does

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for Big numbers

weak burrow
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Well anyways I'm going to sleep, ping me whenever you publish it so I'll have the thread

clear hare
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I'm publishing it now

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just gotta write a description and make a github

weak burrow
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I wanna mess with some op jokers and this

clear hare
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this was like the final test

weak burrow
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Although Cryptid is still on hold since it can't work with 9.8 mods

clear hare
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oh and I also have to remove the patch that starts all runs on ante 3e153

weak burrow
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I wonder is there some expected eta on 1.0.0 stable?

clear hare
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can't be having that happening in production

weak burrow
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Idk I thought you might be following what's going on there it doesn't matter too much

clear hare
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[[patches]]
[patches.pattern]
target = "game.lua"
pattern = "ante = 1,"
position = "at"
payload = "ante = 3e153,"
match_indent = true
overwrite = true

Do this if you feel powerful

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also what should I call the mod?

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I'm probably just going to call it break_infinity but I'm tempted to name it after a spectral

weak burrow
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Inf squared

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With the symbol

cold sandal
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Incantation :D

clear hare
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Aura

grim tiger
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is deja vu taken

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thats the naneinf one alongside cryptid

weak burrow
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Well anyways gn yall I'm going to sleep, I bet some of yall will find some way to break this lmao

clear hare
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ectoplasm?

grim tiger
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nah

clear hare
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I want to use that for the run logging tool I plan on though

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I think I'll just go with break_infinity, it's funny 👿

grim tiger
clear hare
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Ectoplasm

grim tiger
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trance

clear hare
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that works

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actually Talisman might be better

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thematically

grim tiger
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spectral names are so good

brave ibex
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Meme Joker blueprint

clear hare
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jonkler

brave ibex
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lemme put the effect rn, it's kinda long

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Completionist’s worst nightmare
-1 discard, -1 hand size, -1 consumable slot, -40 chips, +1 ante required to win
Self-destructs if a spectral card is used

clear hare
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imagine getting this ante 9

brave ibex
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Most illegal part though is the #000000 hex egg

brave ibex
clear hare
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Exotic balatrojoker

rigid obsidian
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perfect

brave ibex
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It wont matter, the idea I have planned for it will make it the only way to get it scholar

rigid obsidian
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even better

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give it negative sell value too

brave ibex
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I think that might conflict with one of the stakes but sure why not

rigid obsidian
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there is no such thing as conflict, there is only interesting behavior

clear hare
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it's here now, just have to make a forum post

brave ibex
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Is that the past inf

clear hare
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yep

brave ibex
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Niccee

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That was fast

rigid obsidian
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literally gold_seal

clear hare
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wait I already found a bug

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hold on

dusty plover
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something wacky is going on

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i downloaded talisman

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crashed when i pressed play

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reboot the game

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and the fucking version.dll folder is gone from my balatro directory

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redownload that

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and now the game crashes when i try to boot the game with cryptid installed

brave ibex
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maybe that's related to the bug math found

dusty plover
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this is the error im getting

dusty plover
dusty plover
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and when i DONT have cryptid installed

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it doesnt inject any mods

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except for... weirdly enough the debug plus mod

cold sandal
brave ibex
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I think it's planned to be included in cryptid, so I don't think so

cold sandal
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tbf yeah probably

clear hare
dusty plover
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i figured out what the issue was... somehow every file within the lovely folder inside the steamodded directory got deleted

clear hare
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idk why this is happening - it looks like it doesn't even load DebugPlus from the error message

dusty plover
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but redownloading steamodded and putting in a new lovely folder breaks it again

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and i think thats an issue with the code itself as its currently being worked on

clear hare
dusty plover
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yeah lemme see if that works

clear hare
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this is the version of the code when I was testing it, so it should work without issues

dusty plover
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tried to boot the game and... this appeared

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big ass block of text

cold sandal
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Now this is just hypothetical

clear hare
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your lovely version is outdated

cold sandal
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But i think it crashed

clear hare
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use the beta

dusty plover
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ok, newest version of lovely works, and the game booted while injecting properly

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however...

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got this error when i moved cryptid back to the mods directory

clear hare
dusty plover
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gonna try reinstalling cryptid see if that fixes anything

clear hare
#

looks like it's failing to load one of the files in the Items folder

subtle nova
dusty plover
#

reinstalling crypted works

clear hare
#

nice

dusty plover
#

now to try talisman

clear hare
#

just move it to the Mods folder and that's it

dusty plover
#

i think i might have known what happened to cryptid though

clear hare
#

same as Cryptid

dusty plover
#

while i was messing around moving files around on my desktop

#

a file or two of cryptid might have been replaced if it had the same name as one of the files i moved

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just a thought tho

clear hare
#

that would cause the issue

dusty plover
#

ok i finally fixed everything, thanks for the help

clear hare
#

you'll get that error if there's a syntax error when trying to load one of the files in the Items folder, which would happen

dusty plover
#

talisman is working, cryptid is as well

clear hare
brave ibex
#

i think this is the correct file size for enchancements

#

gonna put all this in suggestion box

#

k that should be it, also changed the -1 consumable slot to -1 joker slot because of all the op copy jokers

cold sandal
#

Anybody know the size of vouchers ima do some art for some

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Actually ima just grab something from online

brave ibex
#

including the 1 pixel border

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i'm not 100% sure on the width but i'm pretty confident the height is 95

cold sandal
#

59x93

brave ibex
#

ok but i assume that doesn't include the 1 pixel unused border that thunk likes to use

#

I was close tho

cold sandal
#

T2 Voucher Template

dusty plover
#

queens gambit does the thing where it doesnt really "destroy" the card

#

they show up in your hand like this

cold sandal
dusty plover
#

the urge to immolate...

rigid obsidian
#

thin

serene pawn
#

turns out crustulum was already done so have this cookie i made

#

actually should prolly finish this

rigid obsidian
#

wow thats a lot of colors and it doesnt appear to be because of a gradient, cool

dusty plover
#

im gonna be here for awhile

#

double canvas is unimaginably OP

#

i forcecrashed the game before the hand ended LOL

clear hare
#

do you have the crash screen?

#

oh did you alt-f4

#

yeah I might need to nerf Canvas (make it not be able to retrigger other Canvases)

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or in general make joker-retriggering jokers not be able to trigger other joker-retriggering jokers

oak herald
#

^mult retriggering goes cra,y

clear hare
#

canvas/exponentia is the perkeo/cryptid of cryptid

cold sandal
#

If you're gonna nerf Canvas it'd be better to have it not work with uncommons either, because in a normal game getting enough rares, epics, legendaries and exotics would be quite difficult to have 2 canvases get to the point of being OP

3 would still be an instant win but it'd be cool

brave ibex
brave ibex
oak herald
#

error to legenfary also 🗣️

brave ibex
#

undoubtedly

rigid obsidian
#

oh cool is cryptid getting balanced?

oak herald
#

error is well
funny

brave ibex
rigid obsidian
#

XD

oak herald
#

making negative copies of all your jokers is funny

cold sandal
#

I just want Canvas retriggering Canvas should stay (It's funny (and unbalanced (Like the mod)))

#

Might be the only way to beat Ascendant stake

waxen oxide
#

erm, ngl I just copied your main branch as a ZIP so could be not your fault but theres a nul call at line 94

clear hare
#

also, the other mods won't work

clear hare
waxen oxide
cold sandal
#

Fishing Rod (106)

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2x scale

serene pawn
#

did crustulum even tho someone else did it since i need something to do :P

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i am exceptionally bored

rigid obsidian
#

you could probably make it an epic with the name bakery

serene pawn
#

i just need an effect

vestal seal
#

uh?
idk if this is a known bug or anything but this crashes on startup. cryptid is the only mod and steamodded/lovely are both updated

serene pawn
#

prolly create negative food jokers every blind or something

rigid obsidian
serene pawn
#

sure, sounds good

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uh well it sorta cancels out other jokers aswell

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i guess ill roll with it

clear hare
vestal seal
#

maybe
just for the record it only crashes with cryptid

clear hare
#

attempt to index field ‘atlas’ (a nil value) has become my least favorite error

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i should add it as a quip for the very fair deck

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ATTEMPT TO / INDEX FIELD ‘VOUCHER’ / (A NIL VALUE)

vestal seal
#

stupid atlases
just be a value. nobody wants you to be nil

vestal seal
#

lmao

clear hare
#

good thing I can literally just ctrl-f this kind of stuff

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but I already shut down my laptop so I’ll do it tomorrow

vestal seal
#

how would i get a copy of steamodded alpha from like 7 hours ago

vestal seal
#

thanks

lime inlet
#

|| ||

thin sigil
brave ibex
#

Compound interest done

dusty plover
#

btw how on earth is double scale gonna work (jokers scale quadratically)

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like does it just turn a y=x scaling function into y=x^2

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or is it more complicated

lime inlet
brave ibex
#

idk what causes that but maybe it can be reused 🧐

cold sandal
dusty plover
#

oooooh

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so if something scales by 2, then 2 gets added to the scaling, so then it scales by 4, then 2 gets added so its 6, then 8, etc

lime inlet
#

Double Scale + M

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:)

dusty plover
#

double scale plus exponentia

thin sigil
#

Differences of differences I like to call it

dusty plover
#

double scale sounds super difficult to code but also super fun

brave ibex
#

Kaleidoscope done-ish, couldn't find anything with better quality and the effect I wanted and i'm not doing this by hand lol

cold sandal
#

It looks so cursed (I love it)

brave ibex
#

it's so quality 😩 why do websites reduce the quality of something already so small 😡

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I think my supercell joker wen't without an effect by anyone so i'll just submit it for Gift from the gods in the suggestion box

thin sigil
#

It reads Jokedero

brave ibex
#

close enough to joker balatrojoker

thin sigil
#

True

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How many do we have left thoi

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Though

brave ibex
#

there's still a ton of things that need to be finished

thin sigil
#

Sad

brave ibex
#

but still enough done for math to be busy for a while

green thunder
#

cryptid more like based

thin sigil
#

I should have put in more suggestions while I could

brave ibex
#

you still can

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there's a suggestion box now

thin sigil
#

I mean ones that just went in the actual sheet

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Before the suggestion box

rigid obsidian
#

the suggestions in there will be added eventually.

thin sigil
#

Hope so

green thunder
#

i have a suggestion

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keep being awesome

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💖

thin sigil
#

Imagine 5 cat tags combining together to become a really good tag

rigid obsidian
#

i think theyre powerful enough already with my suggestion

thin sigil
#

which is?

rigid obsidian
#

its labelled as spoilers so i rather wouldnt

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anyways what should i make art for next

thin sigil
#

So I can't even look it up in the sheet?

thin sigil
rigid obsidian
#

k

thin sigil
#

The WHIP?

rigid obsidian
#

that already has art

thin sigil
#

Hmm

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One of the spectrals maybe then

rigid obsidian
#

ok

brave ibex
#

There is still so much art to do 😩

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gonna add in som concepts for planets I've come up with over time and go to sleep for now

rigid obsidian
#

is there an easier way to add art to the sheet?

brave ibex
#

you can insert it directly into the sheet

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like in or over the cells

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but nobody will be able to get the files if that's done

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or at least accurate images

rigid obsidian
#

it wont let me

brave ibex
#

I can, are you sure you are doing it right

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insert/insert image/insert in cell or insert over cells

rigid obsidian
#

yea im right clicking on it but it doesnt have the insert link button and i also cant type in it

brave ibex
brave ibex
#

only that one will show up

rigid obsidian
grim tiger
#

are you trying to edit the main sheet or the suggestion box?

rigid obsidian
#

i am trying to add art for a spectral in the main sheet to the main sheet

grim tiger
#

don't have edit permissions

rigid obsidian
#

ok yeah thats what i thought

#

is there an easier way to add art to the main sheet then?

brave ibex
#

nope

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😔

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anyways I added my planets so imma head to sleep

rigid obsidian
#

ping me whenever someone with permissions is online

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bye

lime inlet
#

m

grim tiger
#

m

thin sigil
#

mm

cloud granite
lime inlet
#

you have to fight 2 more blinds

cloud granite
lime inlet
#

well i mean on ante 45 you can only visit shop once

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also on ante 45 you can only gain money on every other ante

cloud granite
lime inlet
#

it's not like you'll thrive in the later antes that much

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and just made it so ante 100 shops are permanently disabled

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:)

cloud granite
cloud granite
lime inlet
#

then it becomes a pretty bad nerf later on

cloud granite
#

I don't see how it's a problem except for it being boring to play that much

lime inlet
#

with ante skipping you can speed it up a bit

cloud granite
#

Then it's just +2 free tags

lime inlet
#

ante 60 onward will only have boss/final boss blinds
and duo boss/final boss blinds

cloud granite
#

Ok, buff for antes 40-59, then (if I understand you correctly) it's not even active

lime inlet
#

the +2 blinds? they're still active

cloud granite
#

Anyway, buff for 20 antes

lime inlet
#

not that much of a buff after 45 cause the one shop thing

cloud granite
#

But still a buff

lime inlet
#

ig you can say it "prepares" you for the later antes more

#

should probably rework ante skipping since you can kinda skip one of (imo) the most detrimental debuffs into a100+

cloud granite
#

Btw, just a fun fact, if you have enough shops and Perkeo, you can get infinite money and/or get any jokers you want (except for Legendary ones) unless you have Showman, so unless you are lucky enough to get to that high antes without Perkeo, only joker slots are the limit (I don't remember if Judgement can give you negative jokers, if it does, than only time can stop you)

lime inlet
#

sadly infinite money won't do that much good post 100

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by the time you reach 100 exotics are most likely the only way

cloud granite
#

Oh. right, you can get infinitely many planets this way, so the one that multiplies your hand base mult and chips when you use planets would be very good (or you could instead spend eternity to get you hand score high enough without it, it just infinitely speeds up the process)

oak herald
#

i just realized that m counts as a jolly joker also

grim tiger
#

m

fossil whale
#

"Jokers are sometimes banana" is so oddly menacing

lime inlet
#

this mod has so much packed in lmao

#

i feel like post infinite should be its own mod(ignoring the fact that vanilla jokers can't reach past like ante 200)

oak herald
lime inlet
#

yes

oak herald
#

sold error and now the game just crashes 😭 can't handle all of these retriggers

grim tiger
oak herald
#

gonna sell a boredom

#

oops! all 6's happened

grim tiger
#

Oops! All game crashes

fossil whale
#

Oops! All Stack Traces

#

...

Joker that crashes the game if you lose

oak herald
#

this would 100% be over e308 if it didn't crash

brave ibex
brave ibex
#

Might need to make joker retriggers not affect each other like math proposed then

#

Just to stop these cases

brave ibex
#

Ok someone added 380,000 rows to the suggestion box 💀

clear hare
#

based

brave ibex
#

k cleared them all, also made another more recent copy while i was at it

#

The fact that someone could literally delete the suggestion box if they wanted to is funny

dusty plover
#

cant wait for double scale to be added

#

it sounds like such a bonkers joker

brave ibex
#

i feel like it should be either a legendary or exotic imo, sounds pretty op at it currect rarity

weak burrow
#

pretty sure even if they did sheets keeps copies on cloud

dusty plover
#

considering fucking CANVAS is only epic

#

a rare/epic rarity seems most fitting

lime inlet
#

just thought of a challenge where you lose if you go into debt but there's a ton of stuff that takes money from u

summer cargo
#

this should probably have a cap of 10 activations

#

since oops all d6es would make it a 4 in 3 chance to activate

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so you wouldn't be able to play the game upon using a planet card since you'd just be using the same card forever

#

make it a 2 in [hand level] chance to repeat

gray elm
#

is this good enough,how do you word this

oak herald
lime inlet
#

Unnamed sticker
Other cards cannot interact with this card
or smth similar

gray elm
#

what joker would be able to interact with other joker other than retriggers

lime inlet
#

for example all 6s can't affect its probability

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(i totally didn't get this idea from the earlier messages)

oak herald
#

or you could hardcap retrigger other jokers effects at like
10 retriggers

lime inlet
#

there's gonna be so many goddam stickers

oak herald
#

or 100
or whatever wouldnt crasg

lime inlet
#

just realized something

#

with the faulty sticker(card has a 2 in 3 chance of failing to activate)

#

what would happen if it was put on all 6s

brave ibex
#

I think just make it incompatible with jokers like that

#

since it woulsn't really make sense

cold sandal
lime inlet
#

lmao the suggestions are way past the 100s

brave ibex
#

Eternal Flame finished (Move to Epic?)

brave ibex
#

Used this for a joker, idk what in the cryptid sheet it would fit with though

#

i'll do deck of idk actually

#

Actually no i'll move it to line 69 (at tht time of writing this message) in the suggestion box

cold sandal
#

ima make something for Speculo

brave ibex
#

nice

native lotus
#

i have not looked here for like the past week what did i miss?

lime inlet
#

a lot ig

grim tiger
#

m

serene pawn
#

m

#

best joker real

lime inlet
#

real

grim tiger
#

gappie are you bored enough to sketch a random non-balatro fanart thing for me for absolutely nothing in return?

serene pawn
#

im just listening to a stream showcasing music is all :P

#

i can arts

grim tiger
#

may i dm?

lime inlet
#

i've been modifying post infinite ante debuffs

#
Ante 40+: Hands and Discards refresh after each ante
Ante 45+: Money can only be gained every other ante
Ante 45+: Can only visit shop once per ante
Ante 50+: Modified cards cannot be added to deck anymore
Ante 50+: After every round, add 5 random base cards to deck
Ante 60+: Can only skip once every 2 antes
Ante 60+: All Blinds will be Boss/Final Boss Blinds
Ante 100+: Ante scaling instantly jumps by 50%, and increases by 1% per ante
Ante 100+: Ante increases every round
Ante 100+: Shops are permanently disabled```
serene pawn
summer cargo
#

+2 blinds per ante doesn't even seem like a debuff since it gives you more scaling

clear hare
#

we have community chest cards now

oak herald
#

cant wait to get the go to jail card

clear hare
#

also since I’ll release a small update tonight to fix the Steamodded incompatibility with yesterday’s change, what balance changes should I make in the meantime?

#

I’m going to do the thing where retriggering jokers can’t retrigger each other first, but then what?

cold sandal
#

Canvas doesn't work with a bunch of Jokers

#

Mime, Baron, Perkeo, really just anything that either triggers outside of a round, or triggers on other cards

clear hare
#

currently joker retriggering acts less like Blueprint and more like something completely different

#

only things that happen when the Joker itself is scored are retriggered

cold sandal
#

Also the retriggering happens when Canvas is triggered, not when the Jokers it's retriggering are triggered

clear hare
#

retriggering could definitely use a big rework

cold sandal
#

yea

clear hare
#

probably not something I’ll change in a quick balance update, it’s much harder than just changing one number

dusty plover
clear hare
dusty plover
#

yeah bordeom and wee fib are defo the weakest epic jokers right now

cold sandal
#

Wee Fib could be changed to +5

dusty plover
#

or maybe

clear hare
#

wee fib will definitely be changed to +5

cold sandal
#

Also m is solely reliant on finding Jolly Jokers

#

Maybe make it so when you have m Jolly Joker is more likely to appear

clear hare
#

that effect was kinda for the memes though

#

it could be rework to something more like Eternal Campfire

dusty plover
#

honestly i'd lower the rarity on wee fib to rare and raise pot of jokes to epic

clear hare
#

”Permanently gains X1 Mult when a common joker is triggered”

clear hare
#

or +2

dusty plover
#

+3 imo

#

and it fits more than 4 because its actually a fib number

clear hare
#

lmao I was one of the people who asked for Square to be more Square and Fib to be more Fib

#

so I get that

cold sandal
#

Change Exponentia to Gains ^.00625 for each xMult effect triggered balatrojoker

dusty plover
clear hare
#

+4

dusty plover
#

wow

oak herald
#

is break_infinity in this verison or its own seperate mod?

dusty plover
#

didnt know that

#

crazy that fib used to be on par with the suit jokers

clear hare
#

i will probably make it a required dependency

oak herald
#

👍 i had a run that hit naneinf today

cold sandal
#

Maybe make Googol Play Card to 1/15 or 1/20

clear hare
#

1/10 is already pretty bad

#

because getting it turns your run into RNG

#

if anything 1/8 might be better so 3 oops all 6s can guarantee a trigger

dusty plover
#

make it common and change it to 1/100 blueprint

oak herald
#

oh yeah

#

M counts as a jolly joker

#

(playing a pair gives +8 mult)

#

not sure if this is intended

cold sandal
#

Oh have you fixed the Rare tags spawning Epics btw?

oak herald
#

there's going to be an epic tag, right?

clear hare
cold sandal
#

The art is there for it already

clear hare
#

For epic tag I might not make it free

#

since epics are already so busyed

cold sandal
#

Next shop contains a half-priced Epic Joker

native lotus
dusty plover
#

what are the jokers that yall are most excited for

#

for me its double scale

clear hare
clear hare
native lotus
#

mate i haven't played monopoly in my life

cold sandal
#

Im making art for Speculo cause I want Speculo in lmao

dusty plover
clear hare
#

5381 was working on art and effects for those

brave ibex
dusty plover
#

speculo creating a copy of speculo blueprint

#

like that one dementia joker from a mod that i keep seeing but i dont even know where its from

brave ibex
#

maybe i can make a "M" joker that spawns negative jolly jokers balatrojoker

#

if it's effect is really too underwhelming

brave ibex
#

ye exactly, spawning negatives have a lot of other usefull applications though, so It's sole purpose is not just m synergy

dusty plover
#

imagine a stake

#

thats just 'applies ALL stakes, REGARDLESS of compatibility'

brave ibex
#

things like abstract, campfire, gift card, dagger etc all gain benefits from negative spawns blueprint

dusty plover
#

dude i love gift card

#

its not really underrated but just underappreciated

brave ibex
#

or nostalgic invisible joker, I want to see it break the game like the good old days

cold sandal
#

Competition of who can advocate for their own jokers the best

brave ibex
dusty plover
#

mhm

brave ibex
#

maybe stick with the easier to code things first

#

like lucky joker

dusty plover
#

especially jokers like swash, and even already decent jokers like all 6s

#

like in vanilla balatro theres never really a situation where you'd get or need 4 oops

#

but in modded it can come in handy

brave ibex
#

my thoughts exactly to an extent

#

I kinda want to see some of the lower rarity jokers get into the game too

clear hare
#

i’ll probably add lower rarity jokers next as well

#

and finish stakes

#

since there are no Uncommon or Common Jokers added yet

brave ibex
cold sandal
#

It's starting to come together

oak herald
#

im on the run of my life rn

cold sandal
#

Error 😅

oak herald
#

yeah

#

this is naneinf right

vestal seal
#

what does error even do

oak herald
cold sandal
#

After a random amount of rounds it can be sold to create negative copies of all jkoekrs

oak herald
#

this run im waiting for some more stuff to dupe

#

getting another jolly joker would go crazy

waxen oxide
#

I am still getting an error on line 91 even after redownloading from the repo :/

clear hare
waxen oxide
clear hare
#

you have to find and replace across multiple files since it’s a big change to Steamodded

waxen oxide
#

I mean, what else is NP++ good for lmao

clear hare
#

vs code is what I use and it also has that

#

which is so good for Balatro modding to patch parts of existing functions

oak herald
#

there we go

brave ibex
#

weakest m enjoyer

clear hare
#

oh yeah, this is an m build

#

m

#

(also on a challenge, nice)

oak herald
#

it's 5 card draw so

#

mainly used it just so i could have 7 jokers

clear hare
#

wait until you get pot of jokes

oak herald
#

i passed it like 3 times

clear hare
#

xd

oak herald
#

having like 10 discards per round helps with 6 delay gratifications

cold sandal
#

Now i need to add the house thingy

oak herald
#

can't wait for break_infinity

brave ibex
oak herald
#

three boredoms

#

games gonna crash soon

#

i feel it

#

it didn't but calcuations take like 2 minutes 😭 had to sell one

#

opened a spectrial pack

cold sandal
#

Congratulations!

Gateway spawned

#

It crashes the game right now

#

It's supposed to create an exotic and delete all other jokers

#

Atleast i assume thats what happened because gateway does the same thing if you try to view it in the collection

oak herald
#

i think thats a sign it's time to stop for today anyways

rigid obsidian
#

so ill probably continue doing it the manual way soon

cold sandal
#

Anyways here's Speculo (Upscaled & squished)

#

Anyways now that the art is there time to wait for Speculo to be added :)

#

Imagine Speculo + Perkeo

#

Idk if Math is gonna keep it this way but the original idea was that there was a chance Speculo could copy itself

#

If that'd be kept maybe make there be a max of 4 Speculo jokers

#

Otherwise there'd be too much lag and it'd be too op

#

Exotic+ rarity

brave ibex
#

using colors darker then 4f6367 feels illegal

cold sandal
#

I have all the colors im gonna use all the colors (i want to use at least)

brave ibex
#

probably gonna have it either epic or rare, but leaning towards epic currently

clear hare
#

M

#

the M and m synergy is crazy

brave ibex
#

yeppers

#

creating negatives for free has a lot of other usefull applications with other jokers too 😉

#

especially if it's bp compatible lol, that's why i'm thinking epic

#

gonna put this in the suggestion box for now and think of some common/uncommon joker effects

dusty plover
#

cant wait for the MMMmmmmMMMmMMM build

brave ibex
#

m build competing with things like perkeo cryptid would be crazy

cold sandal
#

Speculo + m + M gonna be most Op build out there

#

Except for maybe canvas exponentia

clear hare
brave ibex
#

Space globe: When a [Hand] is played, this gains +0.2X mult and change the hand required. works similar to og To do list

thin sigil
#

oooh

#

nice

brave ibex
#

uncommon/rare also

oak herald
#

sounds good but cant it get stuck on straight flush or so?

brave ibex
#

yeah

#

I'm fine with that

#

well since we have a bunch of finished commons/uncommon in suggestions and cryptid sheet itself I think now we wait for math to game 💪

thin sigil
#

good luck math

clear hare
#

🫡

#

ok making cryptid load took literally a few minutes

#

thank god someone invented this tool

brave ibex
#

Oh wait you good nvm

clear hare
#

no it still crashes

#

whenever I hover over anything that uses loc_vars

brave ibex
#

Ouch

scenic pumice
rigid obsidian
#

example: balatro

scenic pumice
#

yup

#

clubs are darker than balatro black

#

same with the darkest color on campfire

clear hare
#

fixed gateway

#

I think everything works now

#

now time to do the balance changes

brave ibex
#

what's planned so far

#

besides canvas/boredom

clear hare
#

wee fib

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and that's it

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the new retriggering logic will wait until a bigger update because I'm just doing quick changes for now

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oh also Talisman is now a required dependency

brave ibex
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i think you mentioned duplicates not retriggering each other too

cold sandal
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((Unless that is coming later))

brave ibex
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Also change m to either x18 (18th letter in alphabet) or x26 (26 letters) for flavour

cold sandal
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Alr

brave ibex
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19 was kind of an arbitrary number but either of those are better

clear hare
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I already do that for buy price so may as well for Mult

brave ibex
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oh ye I forgot

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a few

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💀

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m nerf is unfortunate

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but M will make up for it one day...

cold sandal
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m is nerfed unless you have M

brave ibex
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we will never let this die balatrojoker

cold sandal
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And/Or Speculo

brave ibex
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change 3 R's voucher to 3 M's 😉

cold sandal
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Meduce Meuse Mecycle

clear hare
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m

cold sandal
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m

brave ibex
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I was going to do something but now i've forgotten

cold sandal
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Can't wait for m morse code where we use 🇲 for - and Ⓜ️ for .