Chicot is very weak for a legendary, so I though it would be cool if instead of disabling all boss effect, it reverses all boss effects, except final boss blinds, which just get disabled.
-The hook: Draw 2 extra cards for every hand played
-The 0x: Playing (most played hand) gives you $5
-The house: You can see the next (hand size) cards you will draw after the first draw
-The Wall: Extra small blind (0.5x base)
-The wheel: For each draw card get a 1/7 chance to see one card drawn after
-The arm: Increase level of played poker hand
-The club: All club cards get retriggered
-The fish: After each played hand, see as many cards to be drawn next as you have drawn
-The psychic: Final score gets doubled if 5 cards are played
-The goad: All spade cards get retriggered
-The water: Start with double your discards
-The window: All diamond cards get debuffed
-The menacle: +1 Hand size
-The eye: Doubles final score for all hand types played before
-The mouth: Doubles final score for all hand types you didn't play before
-The plant: Retrigger all face cards
-The serpant: After played hand or discard always draw 5 cards
-The pillar: Cards played before this ante get retriggered
-The needle: Double you hands
-The head: All heart cards get retriggered
-The tooth: Gain $1 for each card played
-The flint: Base chips and mult are doubled
-The mark: For each draw face card, see one card to be drawn next
#Chicot rework
ashen smelt
loud fern
some of these effects are not the exact reverse of the original bosses (which i understand), but assuming the effect of Chicot becomes this, the effects rather become ambiguous
also chicot is great utility, disabling a boss entirely is pretty powerful support
rare remnant
I like it
ashen smelt
also chicot is great utility, disabling a boss entirely is pretty powerful suppo...
But it is very weak compared to the other legendaries
hexed sable
But it is very weak compared to the other legendaries
not really
the other legendaries are still somewhat specific on what builds you can use them in
if you're not running face cards what's the kings and queens give 2x mult gonna do for you
chicot is unconditional and guarantees a win most of the time
no bosses countering builds
just score big thats all you gotta do
ashen smelt
But the boss blind effect are generally not that big of a deal and if they are, there is always directors cut
hexed sable
directors cut doesn't always show up and yes they are a big deal
boss blinds are half the challenge of the game
also directors cut costs $10 to buy and $10 to use
so it's a $20 investment and you might roll into a worse boss blind
ashen smelt
I still don't think it's strong enough for a legendary.
hexed sable
it is strong enough for a legendary
ashen smelt
I don't think taking up a joker slot for disabling boss blinds is good enough for a legendary.
hexed sable
it is fine
median crown
Personally I think it's the weakest legendary which isn't to say it's bad persay but I think it does deserve a minor buff. Generally I think that legendaries are rare enough that I personally think they should almost always be build defining, which the others are.
hexed sable
if anything chicot is more powerful than the others because it works with EVERY build
except matador for economy but there's better options cmon
median crown
One suggested buff that I've heard people mention for Chicot would be to leave the effect the same but make it inherently have negative which I personally think is a fun idea. I think having a joker that's inherently negative is a good idea but an effect that strong deserves to be on only a legendary.
hexed sable
i think it's being oversaturated
chicot doesn't need to change
hexed sable
worst case if the legendary won't work with your build you can sell it for $10
which will almost always give you a refund on the pack you got it from
but if you can go without that joker slot you get a free carry
median crown
Yea I guess, but I get legendaries rarely enough I want to be able to use them when I get them 😖
hexed sable
be glad you don't get the facecard ones in a run with the abandoned deck
chicot has the benefit of always being applicable
all runs will encounter boss blinds you don't need a specific card to benefit from it
median crown
be glad you don't get the facecard ones in a run with the abandoned deck
Uhhh, obviously I'd simply pick up a red seal poly queen and dupe it a bunch
hexed sable
Uhhh, obviously I'd simply pick up a red seal poly queen and dupe it a bunch
you could die while pivoting
what if you get the boss blind that debuffs face cards
if only you had chicot 🤔
woulda disabled it
median crown
Yes, Red Seal Poly Queen is my nickname btw
I just don't think that boss blinds are "that" bad. Like I feel like each run has a fairly low chance at running into a boss that actually threatens it and even so having any times mult card is usually more helpful at beating the blind expept in the rare case the boss is a direct counter to your build.
hexed sable
it doesn't always have to be a direct counter
your run could still get crippled by the tooth for example
maybe you really needed that money to keep up
median crown
Like the times I've needed to disable a boss blind have only been at most once a run which is why Luchadore is well balenced
Yea but if I had more mult I'd just beat the tooth in one hand and lose less money that way ya know?
median crown
Why did I think niche was spelled nitche lol
Yea, money usually isn't a big issue for me, not to focus too much on a niche example you came up with
hexed sable
the english language is 3 languages stacked in a trench coat pretending to be one
that's why
hexed sable
Yea, money usually isn't a big issue for me, not to focus too much on a niche ex...
the arm boss wasn't a big issue for me
it still got nerfed
¯_(ツ)_/¯
median crown
I was an english major I should know these things
I still think Chicot is a little weak but you've convinced me it's better than I felt before this
hexed sable
maybe it could gain xmult per boss disabled if it REALLY needs something
median crown
I'm still going to be a lil disappointed if I draw it early in a run tho u can't stop me
hexed sable
while i don't think that's necessary it's a clean buff
more clean than reversing boss effects at least
median crown
Oh I agree for sure, that's why I think that making it inherently negative would be the cleanest buff
median crown
Becasue the real issue with it is while the effect is good it's often not good enough to dedicate a joker slot too
hexed sable
i don't think the idea of a card that inherently has an enhancement is needed
having it gain 0.2x mult per boss disabled would avoid enhancement issues
it's still good for any build cause xmult is crazy good
median crown
Not needed??? Aren't we here in theory crafting land rn?
median crown
it's still good for any build cause xmult is crazy good
See I think it gaining times mult would be too strong
Oh!
Ok what if it let you chose at the start of each boss to either disable or not and if you don't disable to boss blind then it get's like +0.25x mult but if you do then it's disabled for that blind?
hexed sable
too complicated
median crown
Bah, you're no fun
hexed sable
if a card needs a separate UI element to work then it's too much
median crown
What's the seperate UI element?
Every single effect I just described is an established ablity in the game currently
median crown
Just put that choice up in the same place where the reroll blind button is
"Disable Blind"
hexed sable
"put that choice in the same place as an existing UI element"
i just want you to read that over again
median crown
An existing UI element that you rarely get
hexed sable
still an existing UI element
past dust
i think making chicot just give you 1 more joker slot is a good idea
median crown
That's the same as it being negative
past dust
it's not only the weakest legendary, but, even worse, the most boring legendary
yeah that's what i'm saying
that was a good idea
i think with other legendaries you get to have really fun runs because your build becomes way more powerful
but with chicot, instead of getting stronger, you weaken yourself and just weaken the game more
which is just kind of boring
and a lot of the time disabling a boss blind is much less impactful than having a build-around effect that makes your deck skyrocket, as others have said
median crown
I agree but I think Mara does make a good point that Chicot is more generally useful on any run though.
hexed sable
instead of strengthening your build it makes the boss blinds weaker
which still gives you better chances of winning
past dust
yeah thats true, but i think that its just not really type of gameplay experience a legendary joker should produce
i don't want a legendary that limits my build and just makes the game easier to compensate
i want a legendary joker that opens up a cool new path for my build to go down
median crown
@hexed sable What do u think of this?
hexed sable
claustrophobic
median crown
i want a legendary joker that opens up a cool new path for my build to go down
Yea I think that's the core of my issue with it
hexed sable
too much going on in a small space
median crown
U r trolling me
hexed sable
there's a label and two buttons all crammed in the same spot
median crown
??????????????
hexed sable
it's not in any way clear it's associated with the legendary
past dust
it would probably be clear it's associated with the legendary because you didnt have it before you got the legendary
median crown
I mean neither is the other button???? There's nothing tying that too the voucher
median crown
SO DO THE BUTTON I MADE
You click it and the boss blind is disabled
Extremely simple
hexed sable
i mean you disable the boss like "why wouldnt you disable the boss if theres a button for it? that doesn't make sense, why would you NOT disable it"
past dust
i dont understand the complaint
median crown
But you can just read Chicot
past dust
if you have a joker that says "press button to disable boss blind this ante, if button is not pressed, gain X0.whatever mult at the end of this ante"
and then you see a big button that says
hexed sable
you overestimate the intelligence of the average person
past dust
"disable boss blind"
median crown
if you have a joker that says "press button to disable boss blind this ante, if ...
THANK YOU
hexed sable
if you have a joker that says "press button to disable boss blind this ante, if ...
the button should be in some way associated with the joker
past dust
what possible room is there to misunderstand
its associated with the joker
by the fact you didn't have it before
and then you got the joker
and the button showed up
hexed sable
i'm not trolling this just isn't a great place to put a second button
median crown
Girl, the button is IDENTICAL to the voucher button in all ways expept a minor change to how it works
hexed sable
what would be more applicable would be a use button on the joker
like a use button on a planet or tarot card
past dust
what would be more applicable would be a use button on the joker
but how would someone know that pressing the use button on the joker uses the ability of the joker
hexed sable
click on the joker, click "use" to use it
past dust
that button could do anything
median crown
There's even precendent because of the voucher that anyhting that interacts with the boss blind would be placed in that box up there
past dust
it could delete system32 for all you know
hexed sable
but how would someone know that pressing the use button on the joker uses the ab...
"Use this joker to disable the next boss blind"
median crown
I'm losing my mind
past dust
but how would you even know which joker it refers to
hexed sable
itself
past dust
maybe "this joker" is actually the name of another joker
hexed sable
it's the only one with a use button
past dust
and it's just telling you there's some other joker you can use to disable the boss blind
hexed sable
maybe "this joker" is actually the name of another joker
when that happens in balatro the names are highlighted
so you'd be able to tell since it isn't highlighted
past dust
what if its just highlighted in the exact same color as the other text
hexed sable
well now you're arguing semantics that would be bad game design
but it wouldn't be an issue with my implementation
it would be an issue with the game's handling of referencing names
past dust
im just saying theres no way to know
hexed sable
there is
look
the name, "the fool" is highlighted
i conveniently got the fool in my current run
at this very moment
balatro got my back
median crown
U r the fool that's why u got it
past dust
why would the button say that you can use the fool to disable the boss blind though
hexed sable
you guys are trying to reverse what you think I was doing but rather than bring up genuine criticism you're trolling in a super obvious and avoidable manner
past dust
i mean i just think the argument is a little sily
median crown
Don't call me a guy
past dust
if you have a joker that says "you can press a button to disable the boss blind"
and then a button shows up that says "press this and disable the boss blind"
which wasn't there before
hexed sable
"use this joker to disable the boss blind"
clicks on joker and clicks use
past dust
some things we'll just never know
loud fern
why would zeus
zeus doesn’t exist in Balatro 
median crown
But don't you see how having a joker with a use button is a bigger UI change than adding another button in the established space that buttons to mess with boss blinds go
hexed sable
But don't you see how having a joker with a use button is a bigger UI change tha...
having a joker with a use button is the same execution as a planet or tarot card
planets and tarots have use buttons
past dust
i do think that would probably be about as confusing though
past dust
using a tarot or planet or spectral consumes it
so if you're worried about people getting confused, wouldn't you be worried that people would assume using Chicot would get rid of their legendary joker?
i don't think it's a huge issue but i don't see how it's less confusing than just having a new UI button
hexed sable
basic intelligence would have you go "wait but that's just luchador but you don't get the money from it, why is it legendary"
which leads to "if it's not permanent it's a scam"
past dust
would basic intelligence also not have you go "wow this new button is probably from the joker that says it gives me a button"
or is that like
the next IQ strata
hexed sable
you'd be surprised, we're both hitting above average here