Six Suits

[hardy flume]

yessir

[gray eagle]

Help

I only have these two

[sharp hawk]

you need to copy the content of these 2 folders and put it under Mods, dont nest it

[gray eagle]

I see. First timer here, rookie mistake I guess

Sadly, that didn't cut it

[sharp hawk]

can you show me the folder structure you have

[gray eagle]

Is this what you meant?

All bunched together in main Mods folder

[sharp hawk]

you should try 1 mod at a time first

removed the files from Mikas, keep only the six suits

try load the game to see if it works

[gray eagle]

Removed all files, fresh zip download, added to mods

Crash

That's all rn

[sharp hawk]

these need to be in the Mods directory though

not in the SixSuits-master

like this for me

i just tried and the mod is working

[gray eagle]

Do you have any additional tools next to Steamodded?

[sharp hawk]

no, just steamodded 0.9.8

[gray eagle]

Odd, the folder structure doesn't matter for me

Error message says attempt to index field 'current_mod' (a nil value)

Am I missing something?

Also using Steamodded 0.9.8

[sharp hawk]

I would suggest you refresh balatro through steam and patch it again

[hardy flume]

use the release in that case

the master branch is updated to 1.0.0

[gray eagle]

Thanks, I'll give it a go

[signal garnet]

@hardy flume Starfruit and ? for Jimbo's Garden support when?

[hardy flume]

I'm down for it

[gray eagle]

Omgosh, it worked. I just needed to yeet latest Steamopollys along in the Mods folder, and to have the latest version.dll of Lovely

[barren condor]

I just drew a 5oak lmao

seed SCBE8EIP, Steamodded 1.0

1 in 65k lmao

[royal wharf]

that's for a specific 5 cards

[barren condor]

you're right

[royal wharf]

there are 78 5oaks so multiply by 78ish

[barren condor]

I said 5 out of 6 but there's still 13 ranks

1 in 5k range then

[bleak thorn]

Using master branch crashes on 1.0.1 for me, latest release works but no toggle to turn it off before starting a run?

[hardy flume]

Master branch is updated for steamodded 1.0 and will not work with 0.9.8

[bleak thorn]

Let me try that

Got it to work using steam modded 1.0 but still no toggle?

[slate sequoia]

iirc it was removed a long time ago

[cold sable]

What are the sinful jokers for this mod

[cerulean stump]

envious and slothful

[cold sable]

Noted

I might be plotting something

[cerulean stump]

i'm always plotting something, good luck with your plotting

[cold sable]

Are stars and moons Red suits, Black suits, or a new 3rd thing?

[hardy flume]

I still need to add custom logic for that, right now it's just what the game makes of it

which is hearts and diamonds are red, everything else is black

[cold sable]

Oh weird

But yeah do tell me if you make them a third color category or just assign one to be red and one to be black

[cerulean stump]

that might be hard to do, because it returns true or false for if its black or red. i'm sure it can be reworked but it'd take some work

[royal wharf]

star is red, moon is black

[cold sable]

Apparently not

[eternal ledge]

how does bunco do it for halberds and fleurons?

iirc halberds were black fleurons were red

[cold sable]

Maybe but bunco doesn't actually start you off with 6 suits in action

Different ballgame entirely

[cold sable]

Is there a pride Joker that gives you plus seven malt whenever you play a wild card because that would be perfect

[arctic scarab]

I may make a reskin in my style for stars and moons from this mod

[cold sable]

I will also probably do this

[arctic scarab]

@oak lily I'm gonna do a re-stylization of your stars and moons suits in a card design i made myself, if you're still active that is

here are the bases i'll be using

[oak lily]

Sounds fine

[arctic scarab]

i'll need the original 26 cards for the stars in pink and moons in deep indigo

but other than that, i'll be set

do you have those versions?

[oak lily]

Indigo?

That's not a color

[oak lily]

But yeah here's the originals

But indigo's not a color

I refuse to believe it is a color. Indigo's just a mix of Blue and Purple and can just be called Blue or Purple

[cold sable]

Blurple

[arctic scarab]

thx

[arctic scarab]

a preview for your help

[oak lily]

neat

[arctic scarab]

it's pretty fun, and your mod deserves a lot of love

[oak lily]

I'm not the one who MADE the mod. I just created the initial concepts

#1207016972278308936 message

[arctic scarab]

ah

gotcha

[arctic scarab]

still a part of the team behind it

[oak lily]

No need to @ me every time

[arctic scarab]

srry, trigger finger

[arctic scarab]

but yes, you still played a hand in the mod

[eternal ledge]

same but for turquoise

[royal wharf]

the guys over at Ink And Color Suits want compatibility with us. what do y'all got to say about that

[hardy flume]

not much to do there I think, one side would just have to check if the other mod is installed and not load its own spectrum hand in that case

I'm more interested in adding compatibility with other poker hand mods, but that requires planet art

[cerulean thunder]

did the new update break this mod for anyone else?

[cerulean stump]

i think it broke all suit mods

[tough lily]

I mean

I got my suits working idk

🤔

When I was testing for Familiar with making the modern suits it worked fine

[cerulean stump]

its more to do with suit conversion, like the tarots or blinds/jokers for them

[tough lily]

oh I see

hm

[cerulean thunder]

all my stars and moons are appearing as regular cards

[cerulean stump]

that too

[tough lily]

what version of the smods alpha do you have

because a newer alpha fixed that part

if it's like 828e then you should be good

[tough lily]

827a actually fixed the regular card bug

[tough lily]

again what version of steamodded do you have

you can check in the main menu

[cerulean thunder]

1.0.0 ALPHA

oh mine says 0820c

is there a new version on the website i missed?

Also have did you realease familiar today @tough lily ? I've been dying to try it out

[tough lily]

Not yet

[tough lily]

^

you need to download latest

[tough lily]

week outdated

[cerulean thunder]

Ok sounds good thx ill download it now ❤️

[cerulean stump]

I am working on some Ui bugs, I may not be able to finish it tonight but I will try and get as much as I can done

[cerulean thunder]

you guys are amazing. Btw I saw your color and ink suits mod just now. Looks really good! Is it outdated?

[cerulean stump]

not really, has the same bugs any other suit mod has rn. but thats more on steamodded

[cerulean thunder]

ahh ok. I added it to my pack and it crashed on startup. Probably an incompatability but thats ok.

[delicate willow]

womp womp

[foggy wraith]

yes

MADE IT EASIER

[opal sequoia]

Trying out Six Suits with Bunco's mod. Looks like some of the script from Buncos mod is referenced from Six Suits, with both installed I have Spectrum showing up twice in the hand list. Bunco's Spectrum will override Six Suits. I'm wondering if there is a way to set the Six Suits hand to be a visible = false

[hardy flume]

I don't recommend using Bunco alongside Six Suits, mostly because Bunco has a full discovery mechanic around its custom suits that six suits breaks completely with its own suits available from the start

the six suits spectrum is set to visible because it can be made with a starting deck

also yes, bunco's spectrum is copied from six suits' implementation

[opal sequoia]

Ah I see, I added a line to make the Six Suits hand visible=false, I'll try out a couple runs and see how it goes. I'm also lowering the multipliers from Bunco's

[hardy flume]

that's another reason I don't recommend using them together, Bunco treats spectrum hands as rare, which is not the case with more suits

esp. with 8 potential suits it's an extremely easy hand type to make and probably doesn't have much of a reason to exist at all if you want any balance

[opal sequoia]

since 60x5 for a spectrum is a bit high using my deck, I can go in and change the multipliers to what is more reasonable. Also using Ink and Color suits

yeah spectrums are really easy to get

as you can see in the pic I lowered the Spectrum to 20x3

[hardy flume]

that's still quite unbalanced for 10 total suits

it's no harder to get than one pair at that point

[opal sequoia]

yeah you're prob right. I'm going to work out my own multipliers when I have a bit more time. Just testing it out first to see if I can get them to work together

I should ask chatgpt to give me suggested multipliers

it can math it out better than me

[hardy flume]

what even are the odds you don't draw a spectrum out of a standard 8-suit deck

[opal sequoia]

ehh 50-50

[hardy flume]

i don't think so

[noble ore]

starting hand size is 8, right? so it amounts to drawing a duplicate suit 4 or more times

[cinder wren]

not to toot my own horn but I made a fork that's a bit more bunco compatible https://github.com/lshtech/SixSuits

essentially if you've got bunco, and you start with the extra suits (I made that a config option) it will use the bunco hands but set the values to the six suits version

I have a matching ink and colors one that basically relies on my version fo six suits

[opal sequoia]

Cool I'll try it out

I also worked out some more reasonable multipliers for spectrum hands with AI's help, I can edit these in Bunco's script

[hardy flume]

the quality of spectrum hands is kind of dependent on how many suits there are, there's no general rule to what they're worth

[opal sequoia]

Yeah, just trying to work them in somehow so a spectrum straight is worth slightly more than a regular straight, etc.

[cinder wren]

if we wanted to get fancy the more suits you have should probably increase the value of flushes since those should be harder to get

[opal sequoia]

Yeah, true. Not sure how I can edit flushes

[vapid gate]

Contextual Hand Values mod that adjusts hands' power based on how hard they are to make with your base deck when?

[noble ore]

yeah
that's one of the reasons #1306498554419875870 has two sets of scores depending on whether it's "easy" or "hard"

[hardy flume]

oh nice I wasn't aware this existed

[noble ore]

tbh this wouldn't be too hard
we'd just need to define the contexts

[opal sequoia]

what is a flush five worth?

[hardy flume]

a flush five increases in value the more ranks or suits there are

[noble ore]

iirc it's 160x15 or something?

[opal sequoia]

I'll need to make a spectrum 5 worth less

[hardy flume]

160x16

meanwhile a spectrum five is worth more the more ranks or less suits there are

[opal sequoia]

cool, I'm going to try out my new multipliers with the compatibility mod

[opal sequoia]

I'd be interested in the Ink and Color one as well

[hardy flume]

i can probably work this back into the original if you don't mind

[opal sequoia]

to get Bunco, Ink and Color, and Six Suits working together. So far I've had no makor issue

[cinder wren]

sure, go ahead. I either thought it was just something I founde useful or that the original wasn't in active dev

[opal sequoia]

but it's pretty easy to get a spectrum

[cinder wren]

https://github.com/lshtech/InkAndColor and https://github.com/lshtech/MusicalSuit if you're crazy

[noble ore]

i think bunco makes spectra about as hard as they can be without being harder than a standard 52 deck
and sixsuits with the start-with-suits option makes them almost as easy as possible. like they could be easier but really not very much so

[vapid gate]

Me and the boys using Checkered Deck for an epic Spectrum build (you start with only two suits so Spectrums are stronger than on a typical four-suit deck).

[hardy flume]

value coincides with rarity, so in this case they're completely impossible?

[i think checkered deck on six suits just gives you 26 spades, 26 hearts, 13 stars and 13 moons? so not really

[vapid gate]

Not really, unless you're also using Checkered Sleeve.

[hardy flume]

• suit changers aren't banned so there's that

[vapid gate]

A deck that'd be impossible to get Spectrums on (at least without using Wild Cards) would be one of the Cryptid Suit Decks, where you've got a single Suit and you're stuck with it.

[hardy flume]

fair

having hand values depend on starting conditions of suits and ranks does sound like an interesting concept

not so sure how straights fit in this, they become more common if rank diversity is high (more ranks for less suits), but it also depends on how connected those ranks are

if there's a second closed loop with aces that doesn't coincide with any other standard rank, straights are much harder

if you put halves of each rank that connects two adjacent ranks while also keeping those ranks adjacent, that's close to shortcut levels of making straights easy

[vapid gate]

It'd probably have to check for both of those things. If you have few ranks, or the ranks you do have are far apart, Straights are strengthened to compensate (and obviously, low numbers of ranks will devalue of-a-kind hands whilst a wide rank diversity will buff them, though there's significantly fewer rank mods than suit mods and then there's compatibility between the two to worry about).

[opal sequoia]

One of these causes a crash at startup

Six Suits or Ink and Color

[hardy flume]

I kinda want to make that into a mod now lmao, sounds fun

[cinder wren]

they work for me, what's the crash you're seeing?

[opal sequoia]

I removed Six Suits and the crash went away. It could have something to do with Six Suits being updated a couple days ago?

The first time I tried, I took the filed from yours and dragged them into original mod, this time I'll try using just your folder

[hardy flume]

you should always delete the old files first

i made some structural changes to the mod recently to implement json metadata

the changes can probably be merged without much issue, but I'll have a look over before i do that

[opal sequoia]

I've got custom cards I made for 6 suits so was trying to save the step of adding them again, loading up new version now

[cinder wren]

mostly painless it looks like, but definetely check it over. I also added a deck to match the one from ink and color

[hardy flume]

i may have some ideas for decks myself, there's a lot of potential with better calc in

[cinder wren]

there's some personal opinions I made that you might not agree with, I favored bunco stuff so planets and whatnot didn't get created so there would't be overlap. if you change the config system let me know cause ink and color and musical suits both reference it

[opal sequoia]

OK, I got it to load with no crashes, I checked the Allow all suits option, all suits appear
Spectrum still gives me 50x6 score, so I'm not sure how to change that

I can go into the Bunco script and change them, if there's no other way to do it in game

[hardy flume]

I'm fine with letting bunco have the hands and planets

[cinder wren]

a spectrum should show up as 20x3

[opal sequoia]

It didn't, not sure why, is there a setting I missed?

I can always edit them manually

[cinder wren]

shouldn't be, it just checks to see if bunco is there and the allow all suits option being on

[opal sequoia]

I've definitely got Bunco installed

and Allow all suits is checked on

[cinder wren]

are there more than one spectrum listed?

[opal sequoia]

i just saw the one listed, 50x6

[cinder wren]

its like it failed to take ownership of the hand

[hardy flume]

seems your version doesn't do anything about the hands if bunco is loaded but the setting is off

[opal sequoia]

Strangely enough, the next time I loaded up a game and started a new run, a spectrum gave me 20x3

so maybe it depends on what cards you use possibly

like a spectrum with cards from Six Suits might register diffrerently if you do a Spectrum with Ink and Color
I'll have to mess with it more

[hardy flume]

this is on launch

[cinder wren]

intentional since it doesn't start you with all the suits

[hardy flume]

no that's fine but it only applies on restart

[opal sequoia]

@cinder wren IDK if you want to look at the updates that were made to Six Suits a couple days ago, in case it would benefit to update your fix

[cinder wren]

I didn't really think of that, I usually just have it on but I wanted a way to turn it off if you want to play a modded deck that the extra suits wouldn't really work with

[hardy flume]

i'm already on merging these changes into the main mod

[cinder wren]

I am completely happy to reduce the number of legacy mods I'm somewhat maintaining

[opal sequoia]

Now for some reason my font from Trance doesn't want to load until I go into settings and select the font each time I load the game.

This wasn't happening until I added the fixes

[cinder wren]

I have no idea what would effect fonts

[opal sequoia]

I don't either

going to load game without Ink and Color and Six Suits

Ah, looks like it's something with the Bunco mod. When I remove Bunco, the font works

but still it didn't happen until I added the Six Suits/Ink and Color fixes, strange

[cinder wren]

bunco does do something with fonts

[opal sequoia]

I just have to replace the font from Bunco with my custom font I think and I should be good

[opal sequoia]

It will be fun to tweak the spectrum multipliers to my liking. Interested to see how they will level up

[hardy flume]

woo new release https://github.com/Aurelius7309/SixSuits/releases/tag/v1.2.0

[cinder wren]

looks good

[opal sequoia]

Since I'm also using Ink and Color I'm going to try and modify the multipliers to nerf the score of spectrums.
I also want to increase the score of flushes but I'm not sure how to do that yet

[royal hearth]

can i download sixsuit for old-calc steamodedded

[hardy flume]

v1.1 should work with old calc

[royal hearth]

what about bug in 1.1 ?

[hardy flume]

wdym?

[royal hearth]

bug in version 1.1 sixsuit

[hardy flume]

those aren't game breaking bugs...

either use 1.2 and switch to better calc, or stay on old calc, use 1.1 and deal with the fact that it has some minor bugs

[royal hearth]

got it

[charred jetty]

love the artwork, but you should probably reduce the amount of lines in the description (3/4 lines works best in my experience) 😅

also, is the artwork missing the right edge of the sleeve? 🤔

[hardy flume]

🤔

[noble ore]

did you increase the sleeve atlas width to 73? that's a change that got made at some point for some reason

[hardy flume]

I have the atlas at 73, the sprite is just cut of in the atlas for some reason

[charred jetty]

Yeah, that change happened so the sprites have some empty space between them.
Mostly cuz balatro can't actually cut the sprite sheet cleanly and starts bleeding pixels from neighboring sprites.
If you still have the old version of 71 width, nothing bad will happen, it might just look ever so slightly off during deck select. And you'll of course have the sprite bleeding

[hardy flume]

yeah lmao

it was a joke to start and it just kinda stuck around

[rocky ridge]

@hardy flume hey it looks like you crash with spectrumframework on winning a run

[hardy flume]

I plead guilty, I never actually tested with spectrum framework

looks like it's a priority issue, why does spectrum framework have positive priority?

i guess my priority is 37 now, then

[rocky ridge]

oof

[hardy flume]

made a fixed release (no I didn't test anything and am hereby declaring that this was the only issue)

[rocky ridge]

based

[leaden roost]

Made custom face cards for moon suit. (just edited spade ones)

Not very good. but just straight up spade faces kinda irked me

[royal wharf]

Spectrum should not be above straight. Even with 5 suits, straight is harder

[hardy flume]

bro is replying to message from a year ago

[royal wharf]

bro did not notice it said 2024 on the date

[hardy flume]

that's nowhere close to the current balance haha

[royal wharf]

btw I feel like spectrum makes more sense if there are 5 suits. 6 suits makes spectrum unspecial

[hardy flume]

so some kind of middle ground between this and bunco in terms of the rarity of a spectrum?

[vast lichen]

I dunno if it's just me but it seems like the colorful sleeve (either used in conjunction with other decks or with colorful deck) doesn't work properly

[upbeat palm]

Excuse me does anyone know the key to use the star and moon suits specifically for both en-us and code wise

[noble ore]

i believe the full key is six_Moons and six_Stars
though this can be checked by using debug plus to eval SMODS.Suit and digging through the output

[upbeat palm]

Ok thank you

Made two crossmod partners

[hidden hound]

How did you guys (with the toggle on) make it so decks don't start with the new suit? I'm coding extra suits for #1375131863403859998 and im wondering how you did it

[fleet oxide]

https://github.com/kustik9262/SixSuits
I forked six suits mod, and now, I planned work on this mod

I make russian localisation, and changed obtaining method of colourful deck

[blazing wraith]

six seven suits

[open cedar]

how do i do this

[vagrant nacelle]

is this compatible with paperback?

[delicate rose]

I wish there was a way to nerf the spectrum somehow cause it makes it too easy with how often i can make that style of hand :/