Daily Discussion #18 - New Bosses

[karmic cipher]

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We have new bosses! And they're all accessible without rerolling.

We'll save Cerulean Bell for tomorrow.

The Hook

Discards 2 random cards [from your held hand] per hand played.

The Ox

Playing a {most played hand} sets money to $0.

The House

First hand is drawn face down.

The Wall

Extra large blind. (2x ante base -> 4x)

The Club

All Club cards are debuffed.

The Fish

Cards drawn face down after each hand played.

The Manacle

-1 Hand size.

The Mouth

Play only 1 hand type this round.

The Tooth

Lose $1 per card played. (money can go negative)

The Mark

All face cards are drawn face down.

As always, suggest topics for future discussions and tell me if this timing doesn't work for you.

[spare notch]

i underestimated the fish

[valid mica]

woah new bosses

oh wait these are from the demo

[karmic cipher]

yeah dude 😂

[valid mica]

ox seems tough unless you have obelisk

fish is really hard too if you can't one shot

wall doesn't seem terrible bc if you can't beat wall you can't beat bell

[pallid ice]

early game the mouth is brutal

[valid mica]

early game manacle is kinda tough too

[stable dew]

haven't met the ox yet, still hunting

[karmic cipher]

i really like these bosses. they feel great

except fish which kicks my butt sometimes

[valid mica]

same

[icy scroll]

Hook and fish kinda go together as 'need to alternate in a clever way hands and discards' bosses.

The mouth also teaches the player that fishing for your ideal hand may not always be the right play.

I'm a bit skeptical about the house, but it's ok I guess.

The wall is super dangerous, I'm a bit worried about late game wall in the final game but we'll see how it goes.

I've never encountered ox btw

[karmic cipher]

house has a lot of hidden strategy that people haven't discovered yet

well, not a lot, but an important aspect

[stable dew]

like when you're playing spade flushes for instance sorting by flush suit and stratecially discarding the right sided cards as they're less likely to be spades

*suit

[karmic cipher]

that is one thing you can do

[icy scroll]

I understand the idea yeah. You lose information on potentially crucial cards and you gradually retrieve that information through discards and card order.
In practice, I just filter high ranks/low ranks or flush suits and everything is fine

So idk, it should be interesting but it didn't feel exciting during my runs

[pallid ice]

I also learned from the fish that sometimes when you savescum mid hand you go back a blind or 2

[stable dew]

what

how

[pallid ice]

idk

it just happens for no reason

i even went to last shop one time

[stable dew]

if you get that on video report the bug

[pallid ice]

it happened like 3 times in my joker poker run lol

how far you go back is random, sometimes the beginning of a blind, a hand ago, or just last blind

[stable dew]

wow

[lament wraith]

the ox is possible to get without reroll?

ive literally never seen it

[pallid ice]

it only sometimes tho, is just a rare occasion

[karmic cipher]

ox might be restricted to higher antes

doesn't make much sense to have it early

[lament wraith]

weird

ive never seen it though

not even with other people ss's

[icy scroll]

I've played like 20 runs in the demo and I've never seen it too.

[karmic cipher]

GLUK had a screenshot of it

[lament wraith]

tbh the bosses are fine, i get that some are simpler and have a smaller base ante they spawn on but meh, i feel like some of the bosses are just boring af

[karmic cipher]

well, not actually playing against it

[lament wraith]

not perfect, but passable imo