#Daily Discussion #9 - Jan Demo Joker Lineup

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Localthunk is considering changing the upcoming joker lineup from what we saw in the invitational. Give your input on what you'd like to see swapped out, or in!

As always, suggest topics for future discussions and tell me if this timing doesn't work for you.

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Daily Discussion #9 - Jan Demo Joker Lineup

still sorrel
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aww yeah

drifting pebble
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where's the invitational jokers list at

still sorrel
drifting pebble
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ty

still sorrel
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my first thoughts

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for removal

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and first thoughts for additions

cosmic crater
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how many synergies are there with Oops! all 6s in the jan 25th demo

drifting pebble
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i didn't notice much

cosmic crater
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since alot of 1 of X effects are removed there are few synergies

crisp magnet
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does oops all 6s make gros michal more likely to break?

cosmic crater
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other then edition chance(at least i think it should affect that right?)

drifting pebble
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it only affects listed probabilities

still sorrel
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maybe removals, but with the hologram buff last night it should stay (as well as fibo maybe)

cosmic crater
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people have discussed removing business card for this demo and gros michel isnt really that big of a synergy

still sorrel
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yeah, i feel the same about oops

cosmic crater
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so Oops! all 6s feels like it need some help from other jokers or get changed out for another joker this demo

still sorrel
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to 0.25

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per card added

cosmic crater
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thats nice

still sorrel
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yeah, since standard packs are the only consistent card adders

crisp magnet
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is there a voucher that is only available after gros michal?

still sorrel
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cavendish, a joker, is only available after gros michel expires

hybrid dust
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there is too much xMult and not enough base mult especially since many base mult cards based on hand type got changed to chips

crisp magnet
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so if we get rid of gros michal, we need to also get rid of cavendish

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I agree there was a lot of xMult

hybrid dust
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regular joker, abstract, misprint are needed

grizzled mesa
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also agree theres alot of mult but we also didnt get too much mult in the last demo outside of stencil, black board aaaand I think one other im missing? so its nice to see some mult for those big scores

crisp magnet
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I think that even steven and odd todd aren't necessary as we have the suit based +Mult

cosmic crater
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i would like any +handsize joker, since there arent any planned for the jan 25th demo

still sorrel
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there's the +handsize voucher

cosmic crater
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ig

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would still like one though

still sorrel
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troubadour and drunkard both being in could be cool

cosmic crater
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i dont really know what jokers to change out except for the obvious ones, i notice that i just seem to want to change out the weak ones

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like bull and fortune teller

pulsar cosmos
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I think fortune teller doesn't need a buff

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especially with vagabond

still sorrel
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fortune teller is good where it is

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bull is getting a buff

pulsar cosmos
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and ig superposition in the full game

cosmic crater
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might not need a buff, but feels rather weak in the jan 25th demo, might also just be overshadowed by all the xmult

reef girder
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agree on business card, parking already fills that niche. I feel like the 4 suits joker + the 3 xmult hand jokers are a bit too much in a 45 jokers pool. You see them a lot during a run, especially the suit jokers. But a demo isn't meant to be replayed a lot so it makes sense using basic jokers as an introduction to the games mechanics

cosmic crater
hybrid dust
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Sly Joker (COMMON): +40 Chips if played hand contains a Pair
Wily Joker (COMMON): +70 Chips if played hand contains a Three of a Kind
Devious Joker (COMMON): +100 Chips if played hand contains a Straight
Crafty Joker (COMMON): +70 Chips if played hand contains a Flush

I feel like these jokers all falll flat. All are worse or arguably worse than 2 levels of their respective handtypes, whereas their +mult counterparts felt slightly better

still sorrel
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these chip jokers are getting buffs as well

pulsar cosmos
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speaking of buffs

cosmic crater
pulsar cosmos
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hologram?

still sorrel
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yeah hologram will be nice with its buff

pulsar cosmos
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wait what's the buff

reef girder
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oh it's buffed ?

still sorrel
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0.1 -> 0.25

pulsar cosmos
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oh sick

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well that's sorted

still sorrel
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my biggest issue with the rare hand-type xmult jokers is that there's three of them so, even though theyre rare, you see them (as a whole) a lot more often, making them less exciting

pulsar cosmos
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I think that's only gonna be an issue in the demo

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due to the limit on jokers

cosmic crater
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similar issue with the suit jokers, there are 4 this means that roughly 10% of the jokers you see is one of them

still sorrel
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full game they'll be hot stuff

covert zinc
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sock n buskin

hybrid dust
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and with the suit jokers....you see way less arcana packs in this demo so it can be harder to suit up

reef girder
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I see the prevalence of xmult jokers as a way to make the demo more "shiny" and welcoming for newcomers. Just beautiful jokers and cool effects to hook players.
Also a way to experiment with a different balance and get feedback from the community

hybrid dust
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but without base mult or hand levels (way less celestial packs) that base mult number is a lot smaller and can make you stall out in the midgame....will neff had a bunch of games like this where he had like x2 mult+ x3 but he was playing with only single-double digit base mult

still sorrel
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no planet synergy either

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moving away from planet's amount of prevalence in the sept demo is good, but having a couple planet jokers would help round things out

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even if its just like, 2

hybrid dust
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maybe that spacedog that levels up hands would help with oops all 6s too

green urchin
dusk swallow
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Dog???

green urchin
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a reworked space jonkler couldve nice

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so planets are still relevant to some extent

hybrid dust
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maybe im misremembering the joker that has 1 in 4 chance to level hands...for somereason i thought there was a dog in the art....maybe im confusing it with cosmo from marvel

dusk swallow
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If I add sock and buskin then I think I should keep Photograph

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There are too many Xmults in general though

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Not enough base +mults

drifting pebble
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photo does have the issue of being unintuitive to newer players though

cosmic crater
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local what about Oops! all 6s, there is basicly no synergy with it this demo

still sorrel
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a small bit of planet synergy and some more +mults would round things out a lot

green urchin
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i forgor

still sorrel
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yes

green urchin
dusk swallow
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Me too, it's probably much different than sept

still sorrel
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the issue i have with photograph is that you want it to proc on the last card of the hand whereas the other face synergies want as many faces as possible, so it has anti-synergy with them

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plus its a little tricky for newer players

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i love it for the full game though

green urchin
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mhm

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but tbh to me specifcally, its a bit weird to read (i understood it immediately though so idrk)

dusk swallow
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I think the issue is with the concept of a card 'triggering', not Photograph specifically

cosmic crater
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i dislike the amount of face synergy when there is a boss that literaly turns all face cards upside down

dusk swallow
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Which makes me think sock and buskin will have a similar crayon problem

hybrid dust
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supernova is not as good without the hand leveling either and it + bus were big base mult sources in prior demo along with planets

cosmic crater
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that amount of face synergy automaticly steers players to a face build

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only to be kind of hard countered

dusk swallow
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That was intentional!

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It was to show prospective players that synergies both boon and counter a build

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Like how Oops all 6s makes the wheel harder

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Or how wild cards make suit bosses worse

hybrid dust
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i feel like hand type focusing was over-nerfed

dusk swallow
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What do you mean nerfed?

cosmic crater
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lack of celestial packs

hybrid dust
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there are way less celestial packs

cosmic crater
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and planet related jokers

green urchin
dusk swallow
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I think that was about hard countering

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Like it yeeted a hand if it had a flush

green urchin
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kk

dusk swallow
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So if you spec into flush you cannot win

green urchin
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checks

still sorrel
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yeah, a boss being worse for specific builds is okay as long as it doesnt guarantee kill them

dusk swallow
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For Jokers, there's not much I can add for planet support

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That doesn't seem like it's addressing the issue though

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I think the issue is that planets aren't common enough

cosmic crater
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i think having 2 different types of packs appear would already help give the player more choice

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and if you are always seeing 2 different packs it more likely you see 1 pack of the one you want

dusk swallow
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So it can be tweaked to make arcana/celestial more common than buffoon/standard

green urchin
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maybe just give everyone even odds (:

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except spectrals

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we dont like those guys

dusk swallow
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It is

green urchin
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ohg wait what0

dusk swallow
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That's what it was like in the invitational

green urchin
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i swear there was way more standard/buffoons during invitational

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at least the like 3 games i saw lmao

still sorrel
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but i like the idea there

cosmic crater
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i think buffoon and standard pack should be the uncommon equivalent, if arcana and celestial would be common and spectral the rare one

dusk swallow
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Anyway that's an easy tweak

cosmic crater
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if you are talking about how much they should appear

reef girder
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I'd make buffoon more rare for sure. Not sure about standard packs

green urchin
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oh yeah whats the boss blind roster btw

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im dumb

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i know a couple but

hybrid dust
cosmic crater
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also the name standard pack feels slightly weird to me

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like what does standard mean

still sorrel
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i still advocate for trio/tribe/order to be swapepd out, there being three of them makes them more common as a whole thus less exciting, with so few jokers overall, plus the prevalence of xmult elsewhere

cosmic crater
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i know its a playing card, but that might not be really clear to beginners

dusk swallow
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I just wanted to mention that because that's a better way to address it than adding planet Jokers

green urchin
crisp magnet
green urchin
hybrid dust
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Buffoon packs dont seem to add much tbh

still sorrel
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satellite would be a good option for planet synergy, more econ to replace business card, and a good strat to help bull

crisp magnet
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are baffoon packs joker?

green urchin
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satelite or space jonkler probably at best

reef girder
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yes

dusk swallow
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If the issue is that you aren't getting enough planets - I'd rather make planets more common

green urchin
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fair

dusk swallow
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What about Jokers to swap in?

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I can add a couple new ones

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I don't know if I want sock/buskin

crisp magnet
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I think planets/astronomy packs need to be a bit more common

still sorrel
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bootstraps could be a good choice

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scaling +mult

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maybe another econ joker to complement it too

green urchin
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i mean, bull exists (even if it is trash)

still sorrel
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yeah bull synergises with bootstraps, which is fun

dusk swallow
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For the demo I think one or the other

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They have the same flavour

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I'd prefer Bull

cosmic crater
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feel like there isnt much money synergy in current demo

dusk swallow
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I have other +mult Jokers to add

still sorrel
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if you're only taking one then id say bull too

drifting pebble
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bull was cool, just needed a buff

crisp magnet
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if bull potentially needs balance, id want it to be part of the demo so we can balance it

dusk swallow
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Bull got a buff

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evab knows

still sorrel
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its 2 fer 1 now

green urchin
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+5 chips pls

hybrid dust
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i feel like making planets more common is not as good a solution as more celestial packs. Because as a player I feel more comfortable moving into a hand type build if I can rely on a steadier stream of packs; whereas in order to make the specific planet(s) I want show up regularly in the store...this takes a lot of shelf space which crowds out other builds

reef girder
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swashbuckler ?

still sorrel
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swashbuckler will get some help if some xmult gets replaced by +mult

dusk swallow
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Swash will be better for non - high score runs

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The high score meta tainted some of these Jokers

green urchin
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yup

dusk swallow
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like all the suit +mult ones will feel much better for wins than high scores

green urchin
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it is hard to balance strong jokers with average jokers tbh

still sorrel
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i dont think we need shortcut and 4fingers, of the two id prefer shortcut for this demo

dusk swallow
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I thought it was fun to have 2 - like 4fing and Smeared in the last one

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I think those are very important Jokers to have in a demo

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Specifically for brand new players

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Not for balance or meta

green urchin
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it is pretty fun

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like straights is such a massive gray area for me

dusk swallow
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This demo is designed for new players - sorry to say

drifting pebble
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having 4 fingers with seance also incentivizes people to attempt to make straight flushes with 4 fingers and learn that interaction naturally

still sorrel
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thats a good point

dusk swallow
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I'm trying to serve 2 groups but the 'new player' group is far more important for a demo

green urchin
dusk swallow
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You know what I meant

green urchin
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sure

cosmic crater
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the only downside of four fingers+shortcut is that its more confusing for new players compared to four fingers+smeared i think

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still think they should stay

dusk swallow
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I have yet to see that, it could go either way

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4fing is the most confusing of the bunch

still sorrel
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egg could be a good choice to bring back for a bit of econ and the swash synergy

dusk swallow
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the alternative is smeared + shortcut

green urchin
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meh

still sorrel
green urchin
still sorrel
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plus egg has a cool interaction of being an econ joker that doesnt ruin vagabond

dusk swallow
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I like the idea

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BUT

hybrid dust
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joker order seems more important and complex in this one so its not quite as new player friendly....lots more xMult and brainstorm over blueprint

crisp magnet
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with shortcut four finger, would A 3 4 5 count as a straight?

dusk swallow
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I have other Jokers with similar mechanics

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I'll add one of those instead

green urchin
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oh no

still sorrel
dusk swallow
drifting pebble
green urchin
crisp magnet
dusk swallow
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yes 🙂

still sorrel
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shortcut is so cool

green urchin
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long cut

cosmic crater
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has the K Q J 10 four fingers royal flush been fixed yet?

green urchin
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i thought that wasn;t considered a bug

cosmic crater
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it wasnt?

green urchin
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idk

dusk swallow
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What even is a royal flush

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with 4 cards

green urchin
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id assume AKQJ

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but idk

crisp magnet
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I thought you needed AKQJ for royal flush

green urchin
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technically you can say 4F fills in the A/t

dusk swallow
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Nobody knows

still sorrel
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royal flush doesnt even do anything so it isnt a big deal

dusk swallow
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I like shortcut + 4fing if I were to pick 2/3

green urchin
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i am VERY ready to play a AQT8 royal flush

dusk swallow
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They're fun and wacky in a great way for new players

crisp magnet
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is there a joker that allows a 32AKQ straight?

green urchin
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personally, never been a massive fan with uility "objects" in roguelikes

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my preference again tho

still sorrel
dusk swallow
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utility is my favourite subtype of Joker

green urchin
still sorrel
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i like utility a lot too

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its just interesting

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and fun

dusk swallow
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Utility is also the most interesting to new players

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they help show the hook

green urchin
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it is

still sorrel
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a good utility joker makes a player ask "wait can i do this?" and then answer with yes

green urchin
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idk how to explain my feelings toward util

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i dont like hate hate it

drifting pebble
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i've seen quite a few bad util items in games, it's understandable to be averse to them

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extra damage/defense/points is ol' reliable

green urchin
cosmic crater
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time for 8_ball

drifting pebble
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but util can just fall completely flat

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i think most util in balatro is good though

still sorrel
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agree

green urchin
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yeah balatro has util change the entire game lmao

dusk swallow
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There have been some garbage util cards, like throwback used to make first draw of round be the same cards you ended the previous round with

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and nobody ever took it

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And it had no other redeeming qualities

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So I scrapped it

green urchin
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i remember $2 throwback

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or was it $1 lmao

still sorrel
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i think its funny that "throwback" encourages you to skip into the future more

green urchin
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throw back in the trash

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throwback is probably the biggest analgyph combo-er

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not by alot

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cuz u gotta beat the blinds

dusk swallow
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Thing is that util Jokers need to be actually usable and powerful to some extent

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because they compete directly with score/money

green urchin
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mhm

dusk swallow
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So you guys want all 3 Xmult handtype Jokers out?

still sorrel
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i cant speak for everyone there but i do

green urchin
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campfire knows best ig 🤷

still sorrel
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noo i am one voice of many

green urchin
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hehe

still sorrel
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all perspectives are valuable

green urchin
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as much as i love messing around with Xmult

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im slowly believing that Xmult shouldn't be this abundant

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even if it is a demo

still sorrel
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ill advocate for what i think but i wanna hear from everyone

hybrid dust
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i dont think they need to be out. I think more celestial+arcana+1 or 2 base mult jokers solves the issue. Fotune teller+suit mult jokers become stronger, planet builds revive

still sorrel
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i just dont like have three whole rare slots taken up by almost the same joker when there's already so few

green urchin
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true

drifting pebble
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already expressed my opinion

green urchin
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ive said it so many times but like

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throughout the content of V0.8.8 and the invitational

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it feels like rares/Xmult is the most out there

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yes i do know its not a representation of the real game

hybrid dust
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remove 3 of a kind one

dusk swallow
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I'm gonna knead pizza dough but I'll keep this open

hybrid dust
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i mean at least on the wiki, most of the rares are the xmult cycle or the suit cycle

green urchin
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always with food localthunk

still sorrel
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they cant keep track of all the changes that happen from the discord

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itll be reliable once official stuff comes out

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like the suit stone rares are gonna be uncommon

hybrid dust
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you could take out 3 of kind rare and add bootstaps to make an interesting bull/bootstrap build. plus works with the vouchers in this demo. plus adds more base mult

earnest rover
# dusk swallow I'd prefer Bull

i feel like bull is a card that wont get taken by many new players unless bootstraps is also in the demo (assuming bootstraps hasnt been changed)

earnest rover
still sorrel
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Local said he’d rather one or the other than both

earnest rover
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gotcha gotcha

still sorrel
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I think they’d be a nice fit together too though

stable hill
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What did I miss from this thread

earnest rover
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im look thru 8.8/9.x and see if i can find some cool cards that would work instead of the 3 rare's

stable hill
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Put in the one that buffs high cards

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I think there’s an Xmult high card card

still sorrel
stable hill
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Nice

earnest rover
stable hill
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I also missed the last hour or so of the joker rework chat from yesterday

still sorrel
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No full reworks there, just some numbers balancing

coral valve
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i feel like bootstraps should be added

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with seed money being a voucher i can see it working

still sorrel
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Bull is +2 per $1, fibo is +8 instead of +4

stable hill
coral valve
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+8???

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pog

stable hill
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Just missed the very end

earnest rover
stable hill
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Campfire maintains it

still sorrel
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I don’t have anything in there from the invitational, only leaks posted to discord from local

earnest rover
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ye thats what i was talking about

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i wanted to see if theres any leaked ones that would have good syn

still sorrel
earnest rover
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thank u goat

dusk swallow
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Did sept demo have any really explicit synergy like pareidolia/parking?

still sorrel
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dagger/egg

coral valve
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supernova + burglar

still sorrel
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burglar/loyalty (less explicit)

stable hill
coral valve
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true

dusk swallow
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powerful still

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But one doesn't beg the other

still sorrel
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there was a lot more basic stuff in sept demo

dusk swallow
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I'd be more intro removing some of the hard synergies

coral valve
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blueprint + literally anything /j

dusk swallow
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instead of adding things to support hard synergies

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it's good in the full game with 150

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but with 45 that synergy becomes the 'flavour' of the demo

coral valve
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true

still sorrel
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face synergy does have quite the prevalence

coral valve
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ye

dusk swallow
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Yeah like even getting rid of pareidolia

stable hill
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Are there any tag changes planned for the demo

still sorrel
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honestly id be cool with pareidolia out for the demo

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it does nothing without hard synergy

drifting pebble
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that said, pareidolia + parking was fun to watch

earnest rover
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lookin thru the teaser dock the only one that i feel could add some unqiue soft synergy rn is trading card

dusk swallow
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That is why I am hesitant

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but it does have a cost

earnest rover
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adding onto bull or bootstrap

dusk swallow
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trading card would be a great addition

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I love that idea

earnest rover
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hell yeah

still sorrel
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ooh yeah thats fun

earnest rover
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that card looks fun too

drifting pebble
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what's trading card again?

stable hill
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You could also add the castle (even though effect isn’t known)

still sorrel
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good thematic mirror of dna from sept

drifting pebble
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oh yeah selling first discard

earnest rover
stable hill
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That looks fun

still sorrel
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if pareidolia is out, photograph would actually be better than it is now

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which i like

covert zinc
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anti-dna

earnest rover
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also has really good synergy with standard packs

still sorrel
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more strategic

dusk swallow
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Even if I swapped pareidolia out straight up for trading card - it feels like a net positive

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great idea

earnest rover
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<3

dusk swallow
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What are the thoughts on Fortune Teller?

still sorrel
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i like fortune teller

dusk swallow
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It works in kind of an unintuitive way

stable hill
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Will Cerulean Bell be the only demo boss, or will there be two that rotate?

drifting pebble
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seemed a bit weak

still sorrel
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good with vagabond

stable hill
still sorrel
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it'd better if arcana were more consistent

dusk swallow
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It's retroactive which helps

drifting pebble
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oh it is?

earnest rover
dusk swallow
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yeah that's why it's unintuitive

drifting pebble
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is throwback retroactive?

dusk swallow
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no nothing else is

drifting pebble
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welp

earnest rover
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that was my one suggestion for that card

drifting pebble
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throwback would be a perfect candidate for retroactive

still sorrel
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That change for celestial/arcana packs from earlier would help too (for fortune teller)

dusk swallow
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Throwback was buffed - I hope that helps with it

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I don't like the idea of retro Jokers in general

earnest rover
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to .5x im assuming

dusk swallow
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yeah

stable hill
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Pog

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That’s what I thought it was before lol

earnest rover
still sorrel
dusk swallow
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I'll probably need to change description of Fortune Teller

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to be more clear

coral valve
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i think anaglyph will be the deck that i play

drifting pebble
dusk swallow
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'this run'

coral valve
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magic is prob better but anaglyph seems fun

dusk swallow
# drifting pebble why not?

It becomes easier to pivot into something in the late game, making the times you need to work for the card less rewarding. That has pros and cons

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I think it's debatable for sure

drifting pebble
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that's about what i predicted

earnest rover
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also if we are having problems with planets maybe adding the planet deck? but thats a huge maybe

drifting pebble
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however, i think in most cases you'd have to be lucky enough to have already been building into a retroactive joker's condition

earnest rover
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i dont know if we know the planet decks new effect but it could help if theres low planet usuage

drifting pebble
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and i think the upside of not making several more dead jokers late game is worth it

dusk swallow
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I can see an argument for throwback

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part of it is also that the assumption is that no jokers are retroactive - and the only ones that are would say so

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Like supernova

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But that's a wording thing

earnest rover
drifting pebble
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there are also some jokers i would not consider to be candidates for retroactive

still sorrel
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throwback being retroactive would make more sense from a thematic standpoint

drifting pebble
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like bus, obelisk, and runner

still sorrel
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defo agree there

dusk swallow
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Oh it could be ONLY retroactive

drifting pebble
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although runner maybe debatable

dusk swallow
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like doesn't go up when you have it and skip

drifting pebble
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oof

earnest rover
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OOOOOOO

drifting pebble
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thematic but

dusk swallow
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Just a different design

earnest rover
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cool idea but that feels like a full game rework instead of a demo rework

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as the demo is tiny comparaitvly

drifting pebble
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can i use postcard joker to ship it into a later round if i find it

dusk swallow
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ship em

stable hill
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I like throwback upping the benefit of using tags after you buy it

dusk swallow
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It's a balance thing too - if it's not retro I can make it stronger

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Like if Fortune Teller is NOT retro - then it's horrible

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So I'd need to buff to maybe 2X the number of tarots used

still sorrel
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fortune teller is a bit on the weak side even with retroactiveness, without the full 8 antes to take advantage of it

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i like it though

earnest rover
drifting pebble
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FT might have an issue where it's either just bad or incredible

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like 1 tarot a round from packs, or 5 tarots a round from vagabond + packs

dusk swallow
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Yeah I don't really like FT that much in general

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But it's so simple for a design

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It's good to have simple ideas like that as long as it isn't broken

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That is very easy to understand for a new player

earnest rover
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idk, i really like its design

green urchin
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same

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its reletively diverse as well

dusk swallow
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I'll leave it

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Possibly will update the desc

earnest rover
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if pareidolla is removed would smiley face joker be a good add?

dusk swallow
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the 4 suit +4 mults kind of make it harder to add

coral valve
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still face synergy

earnest rover
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tru tru

green urchin
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did 🙂 joker ever get an ability leak

still sorrel
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yeah

coral valve
earnest rover
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ye

still sorrel
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its scary face but +4 mult

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happy face :)

dusk swallow
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the 4 suit ones are staying

dusk swallow
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they're perfect for new players

earnest rover
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1000% agree

still sorrel
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also agree

coral valve
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fair

green urchin
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tbh wasn't expecting that good of a bg/art to be pretty basic

dusk swallow
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Ok I'll make the art worse

green urchin
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bet

stable hill
green urchin
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kk

dusk swallow
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I'm struggling with the Xmult poker hand ones still

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They seem good for new players

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bad for yall

still sorrel
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you could get rid of trio and leave the other two, maybe

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that would at least help the high-hourers

green urchin
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maybe

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personally im not against Xmult

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just its a bit overloaded

earnest rover
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i love thoose cards alot i just think theres alot for this demo

green urchin
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the issue is that since were trying to make a new joker roster, some of the more "basic" jokers aren't in v0.9.2

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i think anyways

stable hill
green urchin
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perfect

stable hill
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ship it

green urchin
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now it actually reminds me of my first joker art lmao

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only true gamers will remember joeerror

earnest rover
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tryna remeber what certificate rework was and see if that will have soft syn

still sorrel
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its been changed since we saw its changes lol

earnest rover
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gotcha gotcha

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if its still relating to the new seals then it might be fun when we are trying to leseen the amount of x mult cards

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my canidates for replacements in my head rn are: raised fist (a unique +mult set apart from the +4 suits ones), certificate (if it relates to new seals it will better help us learn them), space joker (will help old demo players get to more planet levels), chaos the clown (just fun for new players)

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but also the demo could just be fine with the other replacements that were already made, type shit

stable hill
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Are you talking about The Madness

still sorrel
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chaos the clown?

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1 free reroll per shop

stable hill
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Oh

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I do not know the 0.8.8 jokers very well lol

still sorrel
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thats the only one with "chaos" in the name i think

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idk for sure

earnest rover
still sorrel
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swag i got it

earnest rover
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corrected it

still sorrel
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im really excited for the new demo :)

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its gonna be fun

green urchin
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the super reaction tho

earnest rover
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super reacts are so fun now that they are unlimited

green urchin
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chaos the clown would be nice for newer players

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me when no jolly joker tho

coral valve
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i think jolly and the duo should be removed

green urchin
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like frokm the game?

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or like from existence

coral valve
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from existence

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they are pretty bad as jokers imo

green urchin
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meh

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i think pair deserves justice

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highcard stealing its spot smh

coral valve
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two pair deserves more

stable hill
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It’s finalized

coral valve
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no cavendish

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doesnt that defeat the point of the new banana

covert zinc
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rip 🍌