Daily Discussion #7 - New Demo Theoretical Highest Score; First Impressions | Balatro | Page 1

vivid vessel Jan 19, 2024, 8:05 PM

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New Demo teased in today's invitational! Lots of new content, so what gets the highest theoretical score?

How close do you think the streamers will get to getting such a combo?

Would it be correct to aim for something easier to hit it within the timeframe?

As always, suggest topics for future discussions and tell me if this timing doesn't work for you.

deep heath Jan 19, 2024, 8:06 PM

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lol

obsidian yoke Jan 19, 2024, 8:06 PM

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joining thread

cinder current Jan 19, 2024, 8:06 PM

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here's the plan

vivid vessel Jan 19, 2024, 8:07 PM

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this was the best i could do for something unique for today ._.

cinder current Jan 19, 2024, 8:10 PM

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Five Flush
All cards have Polychrome, Glass, Red Seal
Cards held in hand have Polychrome(?), Steel, Red Seal
Brainstorm copying Hack
Paintbrush Voucher
I could see this as the upper limit for what people get in the invitational.
How to improve this?
Use Ankh and Showman to get duplicates of Brainstorm and Hack. (I assume Showman is uncapped, so we can have 3, 4, or even more of each joker)
This is not as important, but getting lots of Negatives/Polychromes and Xmult jokers to fill the last slots is what can slightly improve the score

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What it really comes down to is, how many jokers in the shop can you look through, and what seed will have the most copies of Brainstorm and Hack along with Showman and the other requirements for getting Poly Red Seal?

deep heath Jan 19, 2024, 8:11 PM

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RS Steel

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Each RS Steel is + Joker Slot

lyric flicker Jan 19, 2024, 8:14 PM

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do we talk abt stream in here or ?

deep heath Jan 19, 2024, 8:14 PM

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lyric flicker do we talk abt stream in here or ?

If it's relevant

lyric flicker Jan 19, 2024, 8:14 PM

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if its unrelevant where would one go

deep heath Jan 19, 2024, 8:15 PM

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Otherwise here: https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1197672124144427028

vivid vessel Jan 19, 2024, 8:15 PM

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i clarified in the original post

cinder current Jan 19, 2024, 8:20 PM

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cinder current - Five Flush - All cards have Polychrome, Glass, Red Seal - Cards held in hand h...

If I were playing in the invitational, my plan would be to not even go for Poly or Red Seal as a must-have. A Glass/Steel build with Brainstorm and Hack would probably be enough to win. (that's already x32,768 compared to x14.3 mil with poly or x1.0 mil with red seals not including steel)
I also wouldn't waste any runs discovering the new mechanics, but try and be very reset-heavy after viewing the collection in order to maximize my odds of getting a good seed.

deep heath Jan 19, 2024, 8:20 PM

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Unlock button

cinder current Jan 19, 2024, 8:20 PM

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I would risk grabbing Showman, as the odds of another Hack or Brainstorm are enough to warrant going for it

regal flare Jan 19, 2024, 8:21 PM

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i assume the early strat will be vagabond for tarots. you could use magic deck for 2 fools, or anaglyph deck for the double skip

deep heath Jan 19, 2024, 8:21 PM

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My strategy would be the same as what it was a week ago lol

cinder current Jan 19, 2024, 8:21 PM

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you pretty much called it back then

woeful osprey Jan 19, 2024, 9:55 PM

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I suspect if people here were playing in this invitational, the strategies would be very different. But I don't have thousands of twitch viewers.

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 9:44 AM

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woeful osprey I suspect if people here were playing in this invitational, the strategies would...

Ofc, but that won't be fun, when we already know all the leaks and strategies, that would be unfair to other participants

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One thing I had no idea about, is that brainstorm copies the joker in the first joker slot, the description sounded like it was doing the same thing as blueprint but on a different side

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That means even if you get 2 bs, you can only copy 1 joker

deep heath Jan 20, 2024, 9:48 AM

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Surprisingly, we had a nice smooth progression of folks figuring stuff out
with the lead changing hands several times (and even more so in the second place spot)

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I think this was a huge success

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 9:49 AM

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Yea, I am actually surprised we got a 2nd millionaire

deep heath Jan 20, 2024, 9:49 AM

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Dan came on for like three hours,
0 to 1 million and then dipped

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Malf had a million point run that lasted 2 hours.
He definitely averaged the most points per run

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 9:51 AM

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Only 2 hours?

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Rookie numbers

deep heath Jan 20, 2024, 9:51 AM

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Hafu got 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place

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Hafu still going 13.5 hours in.
maybe that's the strat

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 9:52 AM

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😭

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Oh wow, did not know you can get 2 of the same packs in 1 shop, is that intended?

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Might be very good for the high score seed search, although it's basically 1 mega pack, if you think of it

deep heath Jan 20, 2024, 10:07 AM

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Mm. Thunk's been playing this build for a while, so I think it's intentional

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You can get Red Seal, Glass, and Polychrome all on the same card with a single Standard Pack.
This will likely be the seed searching target

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 10:08 AM

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Hmm true

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The cryptid's in?

deep heath Jan 20, 2024, 10:09 AM

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it's in

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 10:10 AM

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So you just need 2 of them for flush five 🤔

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Seance could have some potential

deep heath Jan 20, 2024, 10:12 AM

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Straight Flush with Fingers (for repeat card) is highest scaling

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 10:12 AM

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Unless you go magical and find death early

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 10:12 AM

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deep heath Straight Flush with Fingers (for repeat card) is highest scaling

But no hack for 5 cards

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Only 4

deep heath Jan 20, 2024, 10:12 AM

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that's why Fingers for repeated card

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 10:12 AM

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Ohhhh

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Oooohhh

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That's actually smart

deep heath Jan 20, 2024, 10:13 AM

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Not sure if anyone's mentioned that yet 🤔

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 10:13 AM

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Would need a lot of strength tho

deep heath Jan 20, 2024, 10:14 AM

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2's into 3's, 3's into 4's, 4's into 5's.
That's just 3 Strength

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 10:15 AM

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I guess it depends on when do u get death and strength

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Oh, I forgot we're talking seeded

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fool

deep heath Jan 20, 2024, 10:17 AM

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For unseeded, I think reroll for Poly Card from Standard Pack
and then reset if you don't get Seance for Red Seal

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rest at end of Ante 2 probably

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 10:17 AM

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Can you get Standart Pack from skip lmao

deep heath Jan 20, 2024, 10:18 AM

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#🏆・jimbos-invitational message

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 10:21 AM

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Thanks

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Those tags look very good

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Double the money is insane honestly

deep heath Jan 20, 2024, 10:22 AM

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we had a vote while you were gone
we voted that they are very bad lol

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 10:22 AM

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🚢

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I like a lot of them

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The ethereal money tag might be a bit weak, you need full skip until ante 4 to get same as double the money

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But I think it does not need to be buffed

deep heath Jan 20, 2024, 10:26 AM

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We settled on something like,
Ante 1 tags should be worth about $12 of value
Ante 2 tags should be about $20, increasing by $5 for each Ante thereafter

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 10:28 AM

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So we are seeing mega spectral, buffoon and standart packs from skips?

deep heath Jan 20, 2024, 10:29 AM

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At the moment, not always mega
In the future, always mega (pick two!) but maybe even more than that

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 10:31 AM

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The future is what I meant, yeah

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 10:35 AM

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cinder current - Five Flush - All cards have Polychrome, Glass, Red Seal - Cards held in hand h...

Cards held in held have poly? Is that a typo, how would that work

deep heath Jan 20, 2024, 10:35 AM

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I don't think this works?

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Though, there's a chance it does?

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 10:36 AM

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Surely not, lol

deep heath Jan 20, 2024, 10:37 AM

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Polychrome says x1.5 Mult but doesn't specify the activation condition.
By default, when the card is played and scored, it activates.

I don't think it's unreasonable to think Polychrome might also trigger when a Steel Card is "scored."

but I do think this is incorrect

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 10:38 AM

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That would be actually bonkers if it was working

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One of the high score reqs, add paint brush voucher, for extra steel card in hand balatrojoker

deep heath Jan 20, 2024, 10:41 AM

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If true (probably not),
You'd get x2.25 from Poly Steel or x5 from Red Poly Steel.
So each extra card is equal to xMult Joker (of which there are a ton).
Not that much contribution in the grand scheme of things.

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 10:46 AM

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It's funny how with cerulean bell as last boss all high scores have to happen before it, so -1 shop to prepare for it, probably won't be that big of a thing on seeded tho, with card manip

deep heath Jan 20, 2024, 10:48 AM

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every round counts lol

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the previous seeded high scores were pretty tight
getting enough money for enough shop rerolls for enough of the right Jokers

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 10:51 AM

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But those had no joker packs, so that's understandable

deep heath Jan 20, 2024, 10:51 AM

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Joker packs are just shop rerolls

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 10:52 AM

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Shop rerolls, but all the jokers are free, you can get 10$ joker from 4$ pack

deep heath Jan 20, 2024, 10:52 AM

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you get better return on investment, but morally, it's the same

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With most packs you opening and then skipping just to dig because your slots are already full

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as with Celestial and Arcana packs in the past

cinder current Jan 20, 2024, 2:58 PM

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I did the math and with a single hack, playing full poly glass is better than full red seal glass

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 3:06 PM

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yea cuz 1.5x1.5 is 2.25

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the question was - why do you think poly works on steel cards

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like, when steel card triggers, the poly does not

cinder current Jan 20, 2024, 3:08 PM

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I don’t think it would work on steel cards

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Unless there was a clip where it did?

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 3:08 PM

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cinder current - Five Flush - All cards have Polychrome, Glass, Red Seal - Cards held in hand h...

cinder current Jan 20, 2024, 3:09 PM

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Oh yeah I added that after drspectred mentioned Steel, forgot to remove Polychrome

icy flax Jan 20, 2024, 3:09 PM

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can add paint brush voucher

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for extra steel

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if we're talking perfect high score run

cinder current Jan 20, 2024, 3:10 PM

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If you are duping poly glass, and make one steel, you will likely have poly steel anyway

#Daily Discussion #7 - New Demo Theoretical Highest Score; First Impressions

For general Invitation discussion, go here: https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1197672124144427028