cunning valley
This seed has a lot going for it:
Perhaps 100 quadrillion could be broken on this seed?
Here is the joker and edition order for the first 30 jokers:
maybe more editioned jokers with hone as well?
got scammed by hone
...or did I?
what could be in this pack?
all of this by round 5 might be rough, but it's probably possible to afford this, especially with egg in the shop
also the aura gives holo... I checked
progress update: it is possible
died to water, but with good routing this seed has LOTS of potential
only problem with getting ectoplasm early is money becomes much tighter; it might be worth it to go for 3 negatives only but save money
finite jewel
Wow. A bit busy right now to test, but wow. Taking and holding to Zany and Egg until Loyalty and 2nd Dusk should make them Foil and Holo if I'm right.
Bus and Egg too, Bus good to pass Water if you go with Abandoned Deck I think.
cunning valley
another problem with this seed: Justice appeas pretty late
I opened as many tarots as possible (using save editing to get infinite money) and didn't get it until round 9 shop
that might make getting all the cards for full glass poly painful on this seed
finite jewel
Is there a way to manipulate Ectoplasm? Because neg Zany instead of neg BP/Dusk causes me to not have room for foil Loyalty. X)
Also, I wanted to ask if you could explain to me how to perform draw manipulation please, so poly aura hits an ace (I'm in love with that Scholar guy actually)?
cunning valley
Is there a way to manipulate Ectoplasm? Because neg Zany instead of neg BP/Dusk ...
https://youtu.be/1y_GHV0yw_g?feature=shared
I’d highly recommend this tutorial, but I can provide a brief explanation here
You can manipulate the order of the cards in your deck by when you play them during a round.
There are pretty much two variables at play that you have to adjust:
When I do draw manipulation, I keep track of the cards I see during a round. I’d want to adjust the number of cards until I see one of the cards I’ve played, discarded, or held received polychrome.
From there, I’d move around the cards in my hand so that an ace is in the position of the card that had received polychrome.
hope this helps
finite jewel
A lot, thanks!
I think I'll miss my friend Scholar or neg on something different than any on this one.
(Yes, I forgot to buy before Verdent, too focused on the route.)
finite jewel
Potential is here, definitely.
finite jewel
Lost to Water, but have a route to it with neg BP and poly ace.
keen socket
Potential is here, definitely.
how in the fuck is that only 5 quad
im so confused right now
keen socket
...or did I?
doesnt hone not effect negative rate
finite jewel
I meant "I don't know if this is the best seed imaginable, but I see a lot of potential in it". I just have to pass Water, but it needs a hell of a shuffler manipulation over several rounds I think. Besides, funny technical run with joker offsetting and shuffler manipulation involved, I like it (even if it friess my brain at the moment). 🤪
keen socket
lol fair
also i just got a polychrome ace of diamonds
easiest spectral manip of my life
however its abandoned, therefore its probably going to run into serious issues with moner
finite jewel
On this one, my current route is litterally "every cent counts", as I hit $0 a few times (with yellow).
keen socket
1 dollar after physic
and i dont have the money to afford a NEGATIVE BLUEPRINT WTF
wait no false alarm it went on supernova 😭
poly king 0_0
ace possiblity
keen socket
i cant find any justices
i dont think it really matter anyways, i wasnt going to get loyalty to proc in the end
keen socket
i managed to win, even though all i had was 4oaK NON glass poly kings
its definitely possible to pull this off, i had a glass king extremely close to the end tho
i may note that stencil shows up extremely late
like 50-ish give or take
cunning valley
i cant find any justices
Justice spawns very late
keen socket
HOW late
i got one on the ante 5 big blind
buying almost every tarot pack along the way
i got a glass card too late
rip
cunning valley
Yeah, about that late…
finite jewel
I think I beat Water this time, moving on! 🙂
cunning valley
Might need to find another seed like this that has better econ strats
keen socket
i dont even have the space nor time to find OR duplicate them
welp its a start nontheless
yes loyalty procced
dw
it was 1 billion flat
thats how important glass cards are
@kindred birch discard 2,2,5,6,7 | discard 8,5,4,3,2 | discard Q,Q,T,8,5 | play A,J,T,3 | play quad 9's
kindred birch
👍 Ill prob just create a file
keen socket
lmao
kindred birch
that way its slightly longer but easier
kindred birch
I sometimes listen to music
hallow sedge
Not enough money on this seed. Seems rough.
Btw: If you BP a List, it skips the next Hand as if you played two Hands. For example, if the queue is
Pair, Two Pair, Straight, Full House, Flush
and you play the Pair, it'll give you $8 and go to Straight next.
If you WW BP, it'll skip twice and switch to Full House next.
I don't know what happens if you WW List.
kindred birch
yeah
keen socket
Not enough money on this seed. Seems rough.
Btw: If you BP a List, it skips the...
there is moner to be made
theres 2 temperances, take the egg after head
cunning valley
Not enough money on this seed. Seems rough.
Btw: If you BP a List, it skips the...
you might need to skip 1 or 2 ectoplasm spectral to survive
I will try later to find a similar seed with better econ tech
cunning valley
If my seed searcher is correct there should be 2
I think there’s 3 spectral packs in the seed?
keen socket
wait no yeah i think im dumb
there is a 3rd spectral pack
i just skip it because its useless
kindred birch
WW4G2DUN bro this seed so good but no negatives
keen socket
WW4G2DUN bro this seed so good but no negatives
what it have
no polychromes then its worse than my wr seed
kindred birch
yeah
keen socket
watch last shop theres gunna be negative smeared that you cant afford
kindred birch
constant 50000 hands
cunning valley
This is the one (if you can afford it): WWMVLH42
keen socket
constant 50000 hands
thats nothing
kindred birch
I think I missed 2nd dusk, and poly aura went on a 9
keen socket
how did you miss a 2nd dusk
keen socket
lol
im so positive i can get this seed to work
i have the money
not at the beginning, but i have the money
kindred birch
also its 50k without dusk and without glass and without poly
keen socket
okay nvm
kindred birch
oh, found 2nd dusk, its late
kindred birch
which is better
later dusk the bettter cause takes up space and only really use it last hand of game
keen socket
ig
but then again, its not hard to survive by sacrificing a couple of poly glasses
you just end up with no "extra hand" income
kindred birch
I mean more income from golden joker is good, also getting dna duping before dusk so dont need it
also constellation scaling
much to love
keen socket
eh
kindred birch
if only I got poly (or glass)
sold dusk
also superpos was there, everything but negatives
finite jewel
So close, but Justice hit a bit late this time! Well, let's see what happens now.
😢
keen socket
negative odd todd is an interesting pick to say the least
finite jewel
It showed up in the end and I could afford it, so why not? "It only adds", to quote a great man.
keen socket
mm
i can only managed 3 negatives, negative bp, negative abstract, and negative mad
but i still can fit in loyalty and dna somehow
finite jewel
First try I think I saw Ectoplasm twice, but not this time though. So I couldn't keep Egg long Enough to offset poly on 2nd Dusk. Must be that my brain finally melt. 🤔
cunning valley
what poly ;-;
hone?
finite jewel
Holo, my bad. Hungry.
keen socket
okay that makes so much more sense
somehow i managed to offset the holo onto loyalty tho
cunning valley
Here is the joker and edition order for the first 30 jokers:
1. Abstract
2. Zany...
I guess holo turns to poly with hone
keen socket
wait that means i can get a poly loyalty 😳
kindred birch
wait that means i can get a poly loyalty 😳
gl
ocean tree
funny how it has WW in the eed
cunning valley
funny how it has WW in the eed
I started searching with WW111111 to see if it would find something in that range
fierce cosmos
it was 1 billion flat
So glass gives 2x for 5 cards and we do that 4 times
2x5x4
So x40 wait that sounds low
If you had 1q that would make sense not 1b
hallow sedge
2^(5x4)
keen socket
2x5x4
The cards trigger 5 times (with 4 dusks) and remember that it's multiplicative, so you raise 2 to the power of 5x5 (2^25)
fierce cosmos
Wait right it's 5 times
So 33q if you had glass
Now do it with a flush house and some levels and stonks
Would hitting five aces be better than trying to hit some flush house levels?
peak wyvern
easiest spectral manip of my life
how did u manip? i manipd it on the second spectral but didnt record what i was doing and cant for the life of me get it back, would make my life a lot easier
finite jewel
Feels so good having 2 neg BP, but then I can't afford a single scoring joker (which I might need here 😅 ). Still, if I can get this past Water it should do well.
finite jewel
Wait last hand on round 6 was 5oak aces with my poly ace, so actually I can easily shuffler manip to hit it on this! Thanks!
kindred birch
👍
finite jewel
At last we meet again 5oak poly glass aces!
58 quadrillions, yeah! Was routing from single neg BP from 2 days ago, but eager to take the double neg BP to the end and see if it can break quint.
fierce cosmos
Now try to improve it into a flush house
Also level 8 5oak god damn
But gg you beat me to it
Almost 60q is crazy
finite jewel
Yeah, Flush House would be BIG. Telescope helped a lot with the lv.8.
fierce cosmos
Oh there's telescope? Then you gotta try for flush house
I know like level 5 flush house with this set up is like 77q
If I did my math right
finite jewel
Definitely want to try it! But my route is turning all K into A by the end of ante 2, so it might be a bit of work.
fierce cosmos
Just do half and half
Also 58q is nice but I really see no way to break a quint
You need to 17x your score
Like if get level 5 flush house and ww loyalty card that would still be around 300q
finite jewel
Uh my bad, for a moment in my head quint was e17. I should not be doing anything when hungry, then time to eat. X)
fierce cosmos
going up a number in scientific notation means only adding one zero, like going from 1000 to 10000, its not the same as going up 3 zeroes from quad to quint
keen socket
At last we meet again 5oak poly glass aces!
Pog we just doubled the wr
cunning valley
Nice
cunning valley
58 quadrillions, yeah! Was routing from single neg BP from 2 days ago, but eager...
if someone can keep constellation as well that could be enough; it’s just a matter of keeping enough money to upgrade it while getting glass poly
money is hard to come by, so I might have to go back and find a better seed
cunning valley
going up a number in scientific notation means only adding one zero, like going ...
I don’t think this seed can quint, although I think that should be barely possible with a different seed
A seed as good as drspectred’s glitchless WR with two extra dusks would give 10.4 quintillion
fierce cosmos
to the seed searcher we go
keen socket
I don’t think this seed can quint, although I think that should be barely possib...
Mathing it out results with PG aces, loyalty, scholar, and level 5 flush house just breaking 100quad opps
I did that math a while ago
1quint might be too far fetched
cunning valley
In drspectred’s run there is a level 19 flush house (iirc); with double blueprint there’s even more opportunity to get cash and rerolls, which might make a similar run possible
kindred birch
yeah
keen socket
Lvl 19?
1quint actually may be possible what-
Then ig what where going for is an extremely early aura, early mult/eco and bp, midgame dna, late game dusk, good tarot/celestial cycles, and a hole Lotta negatives
kindred birch
early aura late dusks and bp early is what Ive been saying
or maybe we could try getting early aura magician cards and dupe them till like 10 and make big bank with 4x dusk
keen socket
Eh not really worth
If anything I'd take a carto or golden for the road
Consistent econ jonklerz
kindred birch
youd be surpised
keen socket
Trust me, I would, but I'd rather consistency
kindred birch
5 magicians with 4 dusks is on average 25/20 procs
for moneys
so on average 25$ a round
kindred birch
wdym
its only like 8 extra cards, then its just getting good with card manip
if get it before ante 3 with telescope its just cracked
cunning valley
DNA gives you everything you need if you get it early
kindred birch
yeah
all in all if aura very very early and then get 2 bp 2 dusk and dna fast enough we chillin, and we can pick duplicated to move the jokers faster so can buy them earlier
keen socket
its only like 8 extra cards, then its just getting good with card manip
60 cards in deck without using abandoned
trust me when i say draw rng is horrific for me
hallow sedge
You can't always get 100% what you want every time, but you can exert a decent amount of control. The most challenging case is when your "winning hand" from one round needs to be the exact same 5 cards for the next round.
kindred birch
I mean if we get like 9 that should be good
and then get 5oaks and flush houses but make flushhouses main hand
hallow sedge
Playing 5ofs at all reduces the density of Ceres cards
kindred birch
only hard thing is making flush house top hand cause dna and having 1 hand
kindred birch
Playing 5ofs at all reduces the density of Ceres cards
true
but telescope
if no telescope which is prob easier then you are right
hallow sedge
You probably only want to DNA a small number of times anyway
kindred birch
yeah
cunning valley
all in all if aura very very early and then get 2 bp 2 dusk and dna fast enough ...
tbh getting dusk later and flush houses earlier is better
cunning valley
ww with burglar and 8ball can give lots of everything
cunning valley
I think for narrowing down seeds, the same criteria as the last seed search with a widened search range would work
(you can reroll more with 2x print)
kindred birch
👍
hallow sedge
ww with burglar and 8ball can give lots of everything
There's a limit to how many Hands you can play because eventually you'll exceed the score thresholds. On top of that, trying to make Telescope work. In my run, I almost never played the maximum number of hands
kindred birch
drspectred you getting on ww wr train or just here to talk
hallow sedge
I'm here to help, but not going to step on any toes
not trying to scoop your glory from you
kindred birch
Im perfectly fine if you do
(then I can work on my secret project finally)
I havent worked on it all week iirc
fierce cosmos
The glory is all up for grabs for anyone
kindred birch
^
fierce cosmos
It's first come first served
fierce cosmos
That's it math is going rogue
cunning valley
maybe I’ll let my PC run overnight this time
hallow sedge
tbh, I'm lazy, too. Don't forget to factor that in
kindred birch
Okey dokey
kindred birch
You're lazy yet you make a run with almost 2k cash
thats his way of being lazy
no matter what state hes in hes flexing his skill
fierce cosmos
Sounds about right
hallow sedge
I thought it'd be easy
I was mostly wrong
fierce cosmos
"mostly"
kindred birch
🙄
keen socket
okay bud
keen socket
makes sense
also #1180967231081959465 message seed kinda hits different
double golden joker and dna :trollface:
kindred birch
okay bud
kindred birch
gl
keen socket
you cant alter tags can you
kindred birch
shrug emoji, I wouldnt know okay bud
kindred birch
L(ol)
keen socket
mathisfun, i would like to know when dusk v2 shows up WW149OG6
lvl 3 flush house btw
it was a measly 7 trill
this seed has mad potential
wait im dumb i didnt ww it thats why
i so gotta run this back
kindred birch
Lol
kindred birch
skill iss-
keen socket
it is
trust me
but i believe this seed can become busted
i forgot to ww dusk again :poggers:
kindred birch
that hapened to me!
when I started for wr
fierce cosmos
Hey siri remind brownie to actually do the ww glitch
keen socket
shut
fierce cosmos
fierce cosmos
Need more flush house
fierce cosmos
I think since his seed has telescope you might wanna try his one
keen socket
eh
it was a lvl 8 5oaK
and thats only a +15C and +1M difference to lvl 2 flush house
fierce cosmos
Yeah but the difference to a possible level 5-8 flush house could be big
keen socket
but flush house has the issue of inconsistency
which is why i end up missing telescope, i just have so many other lesser hands played
hallow sedge
On seeded play, you should be able to overcome the inconsistency.
keen socket
im too lazy to learn and/or manip my deck
kindred birch
I dont learn, I just brute force
keen socket
sounds like you
kindred birch
🙄
kindred birch
why is that so funny for no reason 🤣
Because Im funny 🙄 why does that surprise you
finite jewel
You should definitely learn shuffler manipulation, it allows awesome perfect plays! Also, huge thanks to drspectred for their tutorial about it and MathIsFun for sharing it (and all the seed search work). 🙏
