The bridge (boss)

[jagged whale]

The bridge: x.75 base
Must play straight

[west sigil]

that is the inverse of pillar

old pillar really

(no straights)

[crisp spire]

oh Im dumb

I have skill issue

[west sigil]

which just hard counters every other build

[crisp spire]

but yeah what they said

[jagged whale]

I just thought it was cool cus straights are underrated

[west sigil]

really terrible late game unfortunately...

[jagged whale]

It’s actually evil late game

[west sigil]

local doesn't wont bosses that hard counter builds and makes you lose instantly late game

[crisp spire]

"straights are underrated", I would like to speak to your manager

[west sigil]

hence why most of the bosses are being put up on the cutting board and revamped

[crisp spire]

actually most people do not like straights your right, but I do

[jagged whale]

It would force you to have the legendary joker that remove boss effects or be able to play straights (for late game)*

[west sigil]

well

again...

it'll hard counter any other build that doesn't have any of these requirements

[jagged whale]

EXACTLY

[west sigil]

which is what local doesnt WANT...

[jagged whale]

but 4 fingers might help

[west sigil]

#1174373268640239656

[crisp spire]

this makes me think of a joker (If hand doesnt contain a straight discard all cards not close to a straight) but prob impossible to code

[west sigil]

quote: #1174373268640239656 message

That was the issue with the old bosses, they hard countered specific strategies so much that you couldn't possibly win against them with some builds

[jagged whale]

I’m all for making late game harder

Because there will be people who try

[west sigil]

😐

someone doesn't read quotes

every boss should be winnable, you only lose if your build is weak in general

[jagged whale]

I did 🥲

[west sigil]

late game harder doesnt equal making hard counter bosses

[jagged whale]

But there is nothing to make late game harder tho

Only ante base

[west sigil]

ante scaling

that's the difficulty

you don't catch up you die in the run...

[jagged whale]

Also you’re completely ignoring the joker that gets rid of boss effects

[west sigil]

well

[jagged whale]

Something that you’d need for late game

[west sigil]

you might not even get it

so that's a problem

(if you do it's fine but most liekly you wont, considering how rare this is)

idk% chance for spectral pack
2/12 or 3/12 when opening spectral

[west sigil]

and then a 1/5 for getting that joker

ik bro

[jagged whale]

That’s your problem

[west sigil]

but using one joker that you might not even MEET in the run as a justification to counter this boss is not a solution

runs shouldn't die because the boss hard counters you

im not in making late game harder through this method

unfortunately

[jagged whale]

By the time you made making a straight physically impossible you should have thought of it

[west sigil]

#1174373268640239656 message

Here are the litmus tests for boss blinds
Crayon: Is the concept simple
Calculator: does it incentivize an external calculator tool
Pen and Paper: Does it incentivize writing information down
Hard counter: Do you just lose if you face this boss with a common build
Balance: Effect should be somewhere between neutral and tragic depending on the run

[jagged whale]

Since when is making straights impossible a “common build”

[west sigil]

five oak build

full house build

two pair build

flush build

all of these builds dont incentivize in making five consecutive numbers

[jagged whale]

Two pair build is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard

[west sigil]

Crayon: ✅

simple enough
Calculator: ✅
no calculator
Pen and Paper ✅
no need for writing down info
Hard counter: ❌
counters over half the common buils
Balance: ❓

[west sigil]

well you never tried it

[jagged whale]

That’s because it’s too stupid

[west sigil]

that's just your opinion bru

it aint stupid

it just isn't really common

[jagged whale]

Two pair build would just be a worse full house build

[west sigil]

to go for it as not many jokers in the demo support that build

[west sigil]

not really depending on the build tho

constellation with telescope voucher & planets

with a scaling joker and xmult joker its the same thing

[jagged whale]

You’re getting really mad at a suggestion I made

[west sigil]

but more versatile as you just need two pairs

[jagged whale]

Like geez

[west sigil]

that's on me

but dont say stuff like stupid on a build or something

[jagged whale]

You went sicko mode on the entire idea without giving it a second thought

[west sigil]

i did give it thoughts

but

hard counter: ❌

[jagged whale]

This suggestion has 80 messages on it

[west sigil]

it's like the pillar, the house, the arm

(every time i get into an argument like this i usually get the thread to 100 messages)

just to prove a point that should be obv (at least to me)

just throwing out my opinion out there

[jagged whale]

The fact that this became an argument at all is kinda showing how one sided you are

Like bro, it was a SUGGESTION

[west sigil]

ik

it's a suggestion

to sum things up, making a boss that hard counters the majority of builds is not the best idea, as it affects UX in general, and can rather make some runs end in a pretty anticlimatic way (and also rather unsatisfying)

[tulip cape]

Perfect boss blind:

Gives you a calculus question
You have to solve it(Calculator)
You must recite the problem 20 minutes later after beating this blind(Pen & Paper)
You must not play Full Houses and Flush Houses(Crayon + Hard Counter)

100% chance to immediately lose after scoring required chips, chance is reduced by 0.7% for each digit in your final score(Balance)

[lost sonnet]

The f u c k you blind

[west sigil]

^

[versed bough]

So, does that mean a good boss blind needs to answer "yes" to the crayon, Hard counter, and Balance questions and "no" to the Calculator and Pen and Paper questions?

[west sigil]

i believe it’s “no” for the hard counter based on localthunk’s words (because no you don’t want to lose just because you got hard countered with a common build, makes game unfun and is unfair due to luck)

everything else you said is correct

[versed bough]

I was thinking that a boss blind that debuffs all duplicate cards (except for the first instance of that card drawn).
This answers "yes" to the crayon question (one card of a rank and suit is not debuffed)
This answers "no" to the calculator and pen and paper questions (You don't need to calculate or remember much)
I am not sure if it answers "no" to the hard counter question (Flush houses and 5 of a kind might suffer from this boss)
This answers "yes" to the balance question (most starting decks are unaffected by this boss)

[west sigil]

debuff isnt that bad compared to straight up “yeets em”

tbh idk if it’s a hard counter

only disables enhancements and chip gain on cards

and by duplicate cards i assume “same rank & same suit” only

if enhancements are part of the uniqueness of the card, then i believe the boss is def not a hard counter