Tag brainstorm

[shadow coyote]

🧵

[signal crypt]

does anyone ever take 3 extra discards?

[blazing needle]

ideas for tags? 🤔

[tender prairie]

might be more viable in full game

[blazing needle]

not really

[tender prairie]

already has use in water

[blazing needle]

yeah

[signal crypt]

its a very edge case only tag

[split heron]

If you make gold seal a type of consumable, you could add the gold seal tag back lol

[signal crypt]

at best

[shadow coyote]

If tags have some use I think it's okay

[tender prairie]

could someone get a list of existing tags?

[split heron]

only ever for water

[shadow coyote]

Ideally tags should be between an always and never take

[stoic echo]

water

[shadow coyote]

I'll make a list of what I currently have

[stoic echo]

awesome thank u

[blazing needle]

https://balatro.wiki/en/Blinds/Blind-Skips

[shadow coyote]

I guess yeah this, but all the '1 in X' are now guaranteed

[blazing needle]

ooh

[stoic echo]

WOOO!

[signal crypt]

Is there a tag rarity system now?

[shadow coyote]

So negative, foil, holo, poly

[shadow coyote]

I am considering it

I need to control the number of negatives mainly

[split heron]

What if all the edition tags were combined into 1?

[signal crypt]

I feel like without it, might end up with too many negatives yeah

[blazing needle]

probably guaranteed edition joker in shop? as a tag

[split heron]

Just guarantees there’ll be an edition with the same odds for each one as normal

[blazing needle]

aka 1/4 chance for a negative logically

[signal crypt]

How about a tag for the next shop refreshing packs once?

[shadow coyote]

I think having hidden rarities for the tags themselves would also be fine

If it's not explained it's not a huge deal for tags

There are other hidden rarities

[stoic echo]

ye

[blazing needle]

bonus booster pack in shop as a tag? 🤔

[tender prairie]

you can do that (get second packs) by taking the shop instead of skipping

[stoic echo]

not a bad idea

[azure dune]

Ok lets break the game down, we have
Money - already tag
Jokers - have multiple tags
Discards/Hands - got those tags
Tarots/Spectrals/Planets - we got that
Vouchers - Got that
Enhanced cards - got that
Card/joker effects - got that

We dont have tags for
Multi/Chips
In game cards
Duplicating cards

Bonus tags also dont have

[tender prairie]

isn't skipping for a known booster just better?

[signal crypt]

Unless you need to build econ first idk first idea I had lol

just the general idea of skipping for more packs

[blazing needle]

you still have access to the shop in this case

[azure dune]

We also dont have skipping in the shop, but thats basically money kinda

[blazing needle]

unlike the other tags

[clever drift]

50% off next shop tag?

[tender prairie]

you don't get access to a shop from skipping until after you beat the next blind

[clever drift]

only the first stocked item,s not rerolled items

[stoic echo]

real asf

[signal crypt]

yea which is cool bcuz risk reward

[shadow coyote]

I think the whole shop would be cool too

[tender prairie]

sorry that was to disco

[clever drift]

1 Random thing made free in the shop

[signal crypt]

npnp

[azure dune]

2 getting 2 50% of on regular Joker with clearance sale be like

Free

[stoic echo]

temporary dupe of a joker tag?

[tender prairie]

tag: Obtain a random used voucher (only good for 3 rounds)

[blazing needle]

dupes of jokers can be made in real game tho

[split heron]

it would probably be multiplicative instead of additive discount

[shadow coyote]

Give 2 random tags?

[stoic echo]

i like that

[blazing needle]

ye

[split heron]

fun one

[stoic echo]

ye u could use the temp dupe tag to expidite that

[azure dune]

yeah like get a negative of a rando joker for 1 blind

[stoic echo]

exactly what im talking about

[azure dune]

yeah

[stoic echo]

either rando joker or a dupe of one u have

[shadow coyote]

Tags were like a one and done thing when I introduced them but I think there is actually some cool design space for them

[azure dune]

Dupe a card of choice tag?

[shadow coyote]

At this point I want to keep them more than scrapping them entirely - which was my opinion a couple months ago

[tender prairie]

what if dupe random

[stoic echo]

kinda just a free death

[tender prairie]

oh card, not joker

lol

[shadow coyote]

Dupe random joker is too strong

[signal crypt]

Tags def have the room to grow into a really cool system it just may end up being a lot of work lol, im excited to see how it turns out

[clever drift]

Next Boss Blind Chip requirement discounted 20%

[azure dune]

yeah, except you have full deck instead of the cards you are given

[stoic echo]

even if its just 1 round?

[shadow coyote]

Oh maybe not then.. but then that's a whole new system

[blazing needle]

yea

[stoic echo]

true

[azure dune]

true

[signal crypt]

tag to have next shop have a duplicate of one of your jokers? At a higher price maybe

[stoic echo]

it really depends on how that would be to code

[shadow coyote]

I'd rather piggyback on an existing system

Because it has more emergent gameplay

[stoic echo]

eternal tag?

[vague cypress]

Enhance a random joker as a tag maybe?

[stoic echo]

gain $x one joker become eternal?

[vague cypress]

Probably only foil/holographic though

[shadow coyote]

I like this one

[blazing needle]

random editioned card in shop? random idea

[tender prairie]

tag: Gain a Variety pack (1 of each of tarot, planet, and spectral)

[shadow coyote]

It's like a worse ringmaster

[split heron]

duplicating jokers is fun

[stoic echo]

it is

its my most excited feature for full game

is having dupe jokers

[azure dune]

Patients tag
You duplicate a random joker, but you only get it 3 antes later

actually thats a new system and said no on that

[blazing needle]

3 antes is real harsh

[shadow coyote]

I'd be happy to add 2 tags to replace the enhanced card/gold seal ones plus maybe 4 more if there are good ideas

[blazing needle]

if late game

[azure dune]

2 antes or whatever

[signal crypt]

Tag to get 2 of your last used consumable? Maybe limited to tarot/planet since thatd be busted with spectral

[vague cypress]

Maybe to replace Gold Seal tag you can pick the card to add Gold Seal to (especially since right now Gold Seal is way too random to be used often)

[split heron]

if gold seal is relegated to exclusively spectrals, i dont know that it would be very great at all

[stoic echo]

i would love a heavier variety

[sudden halo]

50% score on boss tag.

[signal crypt]

OH completely unrelated localthunk, but can we get the ability to return to shop if we havent actually done anything yet 🙏

[azure dune]

Get -9999999999999 dollars but get a legendary

whats the worst that could happen

[tender prairie]

you could combine gold seal and enhanced card

[shadow coyote]

So far what I like:

• Give 2 random tags
• One of your jokers will be in next shop
• 50% off next shop

[tender prairie]

give the seal a reason to be on the card

[signal crypt]

gold seal and enhanced are both kinda poopy cuz no one wants a random good card halfway through their run

[shadow coyote]

I have another fun thing I am adding for that

[tender prairie]

oo

[azure dune]

oo

[signal crypt]

oo

[shadow coyote]

oo

[blazing needle]

oo

[split heron]

making a consumable that gives a gold seal could give it more space to- oh sorry oo

[azure dune]

it looks like infinity symbols after a while

[vague cypress]

Next shop has +1 vouchers and/or +1 cards available?

[blazing needle]

voucher tag exists i think

[split heron]

ye

[azure dune]

it do exist already

[vague cypress]

Yes - has the same effect but it would only be for the next shop

[blazing needle]

thats the same thing i think

[stoic echo]

opinon on somthing adding eternal or should eternal ONLY be for challenges?

[shadow coyote]

Voucher tag is way better in full game

[blazing needle]

why would adding eternal be beneficial 🤔

[stoic echo]

cuz i could see an eternal tag that gives u somthing nice in return for locking u in

[shadow coyote]

eternal is one of the difficulty modifiers for base game

[azure dune]

hmmmm

[split heron]

that could make for a good spectral card as well

[livid pewter]

+hand size tag?

[azure dune]

2 multi next fight?

[stoic echo]

oh forgot its one of the chips aswell my b

[blazing needle]

all jokers bought are eternal?

[vague cypress]

double sell value for a random joker?
idk this one feels too specific and random

[split heron]

ok i know this is tag discussion but hear me out

a voucher that lets you find seal consumables in the shop, which can then be put on cards at choice

[shadow coyote]

+2 hand size for the next ante

[stoic echo]

my idea litteraly sounds like a spectral card just $50 in return for making one joker spectral

[blazing needle]

that doesnt really help if you have good jokers imo

[stoic echo]

oo

[livid pewter]

next ante is even cooler

[azure dune]

oo

[blazing needle]

oo

[livid pewter]

I was considering just 1 round

[shadow coyote]

Oh

I meant round lmao

[stoic echo]

oh wait yeah that says ante

lol

[livid pewter]

oh

😹

[tender prairie]

multi-round tags pretty cool tho

[clever drift]

Gamble Tag: 50% chance to double next blind $ rewards, 50% chance to lose rewards.

[shadow coyote]

Yeah any benefits should be round specific if they are stat based like that

[tender prairie]

would feel less bad than being forced to skip just to survive once

[azure dune]

that be good with juggler and 1 of those into quija

[vague cypress]

Maybe slightly nerfed version of existing tags for next ante, e.g +1 hand/discard/hand size

[signal crypt]

Gamble tag: plays the wheel 3 times

[azure dune]

Get a random money making joker?

[stoic echo]

correct me if wrong, thunk. but ur tryna get rid of chance based tags right

[blazing needle]

too specific

[azure dune]

fair

[livid pewter]

extra shop slot?

Idk how that would work

[tender prairie]

that's a voucher

[livid pewter]

cuz reroll

[tender prairie]

which isn't bad

[split heron]

youd get an entire shop if you didnt skip though

[tender prairie]

just needs limited

[shadow coyote]

Rerolls start at $0 for the next shop

[tender prairie]

rerolls

[shadow coyote]

then 1, 2, 3, etc

[livid pewter]

thats insane

[azure dune]

reroll voucher to -1 though

[livid pewter]

I'd probably always take that if I get unlucky shop

[shadow coyote]

That's similar expected value to the investment tag if you reroll a lot

[tender prairie]

tag: every shop slot in your next shop is replaced with Booster Packs (before rerolls)
or maybe just a single tarot/planet?

[azure dune]

though rerolling a negative shop doesnt give money, its just 0 dollars

[split heron]

kind of hilarious synergy if it gave you money lmao

[azure dune]

lol

[vague cypress]

Maybe a tag that affects the next blind chips, e.g. halves next blind

[shadow coyote]

Gives a free random voucher?

[blazing needle]

overstock + (upgraded voucher) will give a total of 4 extra booster packs 🙂

[clever drift]

Shop will stock your most commonly played Tarot and Planet

[azure dune]

isnt this to strong though?

[stoic echo]

too good imo

[livid pewter]

thats prob too op

[azure dune]

LOL

[blazing needle]

that's only 10 dollars

[shadow coyote]

That's $10 of value

[azure dune]

everyone at once

[split heron]

thats on par with $15 tag isnt it?

[azure dune]

yeah but you said vouchers are better in full game

[tender prairie]

i suggested the free voucher would be limited to just a few rounds

[livid pewter]

maybe only after beating 2 boss blinds? 😹

[stoic echo]

if u have all vouchers its $20 aswell out values the other +1 voucher tag

[split heron]

i think free random voucher is a good tag

[tender prairie]

$10 of value, but also breaks the normal voucher limit of 1 per ante

[shadow coyote]

That's if you have 16 vouchers already

if you have none, its 10

[sudden halo]

Is it possible to make tags that only work if you skip two blinds? Like a tag that if you skip both blinds, boss effect is debuffed? Or another strong effect. High risk, high reward.

[shadow coyote]

so somewhere between 10-20

[stoic echo]

of course

[livid pewter]

well whats the point of skip for extra voucher in shop then

[azure dune]

I think double it early is just free win

[shadow coyote]

Ohhhhh

Not the double idea

but disable boss effect

[split heron]

temporary chicot lol

[stoic echo]

disable boss out weighs the reroll but also u can make the tag rare

[tender prairie]

disable boss is a bit boring tbh

[stoic echo]

if u are gonna do the hidden rarity things

[tender prairie]

bosses are part of the game's variety

[vague cypress]

maybe something like halve the boss blind

[sudden halo]

But its pretty strong, and would be like the reroll boss but stronger. So thought it needs more risk to it

[vague cypress]

so you have the effect but it still becomes much easier

[azure dune]

play the next ante 2x

[tender prairie]

i think there's a voucher that takes you back one ante

[blazing needle]

chicot: exists

[stoic echo]

i do like 2x harder ante 2x reward

[dire sinew]

Exactly before Water

Never any other time

[split heron]

hieroglyph ye

[tender prairie]

not sure how to feel about that

[shadow coyote]

Gives your most used tarot this run/your most used planet this run

[dire sinew]

Although I don’t usually take Tags

[split heron]

thats could be good

[stoic echo]

free voucher or did that voucher change

[vague cypress]

Is there a way to see most used tarot during a run?

[tender prairie]

interesting. skip the rest of the shop and round rewards to guarantee your best planets/tarots

[stoic echo]

oh wait during the run

[shadow coyote]

It'd be in the tooltip

[blazing needle]

🤔

[azure dune]

2x money next fight but need 2x chips

[dire sinew]

Can someone give me a summary of this thread?

[stoic echo]

thats alot better than the voucher

[clever drift]

#1172277364458262548 message 😜

[azure dune]

all money jokers activate 2x the first time used

[tender prairie]

bruh

[stoic echo]

#1172277364458262548 message

[blazing needle]

too specific?

money jokers are more of a category of jokers

[dire sinew]

I mean people are still talking

[azure dune]

well combined with the message of mine above it

[sudden halo]

And then hell tag, 3x difficulty 3x rewards 😈

[tender prairie]

feels like win more/lose more

[stoic echo]

the confident tag and the ego tag lol

[tender prairie]

doesn't turn the tide of the game

[blazing needle]

too complex? idk

[azure dune]

idk maybe

maybe just top one then

[split heron]

i dont think the risk/reward tags are super great, the risk is already implemented in the fact that youre skipping a blind (ie all the income and shop)

[clever drift]

What about a Voucher booster pack from a Tag only. Presented 3 vouchers, pick 1 for free

[blazing needle]

two 2x harder 2x reward tags when you have a good run

[sudden halo]

Tbh on later antes it's not that bad if you have the right deck

[dire sinew]

I think the only Tags I consider taking are:

• +3 Discards (before Water)
• +$ after Boss (when I’m doing well but not so well I’d make more $ by beating the Blind)
• Spectral Tag early game

Otherwise I ignore them. I don’t think they’re fun or useful

[azure dune]

next ante 2x as hard but you get 2x money, get 2 of them 4x 4x LOL

[blazing needle]

i said that first 😦

[stoic echo]

i feel like there could also be a mini system of some tags are unique

meaning they cant be both the skip options

[dire sinew]

Agreed. I can also see the idea that the Risk is missing out on the Blind rewards, but it feels a bit weird to be rewarded for Skipping a challenge rather than participating in it

[blazing needle]

tag booster pack in shop?

buying a tag?

[sudden halo]

Isn't that just a better version of the already existing voucher tag?

[azure dune]

well I said it first then changed it to ante instead of replay ante

[blazing needle]

oh well

[azure dune]

oh well

[shadow coyote]

My shortlist so far:

• +2 Hand size for 1 round
• Give 2 random tags
• One of your jokers will be in next shop
• 50% off next shop
• Rerolls start at $0 in the next shop

[clever drift]

Isn't that stock 2 vouchers? So you still have to pay. Both could exist if there are tiers of tag rarity

[stoic echo]

so u only really need 1 more?

[shadow coyote]

You need to fully describe the tag idea in like 10 words too, but with tooltips

[stoic echo]

of course

[sudden halo]

Revive tag [with cash penalty?]

[shadow coyote]

I'd like to make a big list

[stoic echo]

gotcha gotcha

[dire sinew]

I guess there’s also the Voucher tag, if I find myself super rich and super winning

So I can win more

The vouchers aren’t even that good

[azure dune]

Next tag activates 2x

[stoic echo]

vouchers are VERY GOOD just not in the demo

[blazing needle]

yea

[dire sinew]

Well I’m playing the demo

[azure dune]

actually to similar to give 2 tags

hmmm

[dire sinew]

I still think $10 is a lot for most Vouchers

They’re luxury more than necessity

[blazing needle]

telescope

[stoic echo]

telescope

[clever drift]

Discount

[livid pewter]

sale is p good

[dire sinew]

I still think $10 is a lot for most Vouchers

[sudden halo]

Yeah if there are rarities then it makes sense

[dire sinew]

I still think $10 is a lot for most Vouchers

[blazing needle]

7 if clearance sale

[livid pewter]

😹

[blazing needle]

but i c ur point

[livid pewter]

we drifted from the topic

[sudden halo]

Well with more antes and logner runs they are bound to be better and worth the price

[azure dune]

The next scaling joker acts as if you have done it 3 times
Might be to op with legendaries but eh

[shadow coyote]

Tags 🙂

[azure dune]

also maybe to specific

[stoic echo]

lmao

[blazing needle]

yea

[dire sinew]

Maybe a Wheel of Fortune tag

[stoic echo]

back to tagging

[vague cypress]

Something affecting blind amounts could be interesting

[clever drift]

Trigger your opening hand's cards twice next blind

[shadow coyote]

Like dusk?

[dire sinew]

Luck Tag
Doubles all probabilities until the end of the next Shop.

[blazing needle]

first hand dusk? 🤔

[split heron]

more like dawn

[clever drift]

Yeah, but opening hand, once

[sudden halo]

That could make some insane combos

[dire sinew]

Pack Tag
Use an extra card from your next Pack.

[azure dune]

but also its one round and after ante 5 no tags right?

[blazing needle]

2 of these tags in a row with polychrome glass cards

[stoic echo]

hanging chad would be insane with that tag

[dire sinew]

Fortune Tag
Give a random Joker an Edition

[split heron]

you get that versus the needle and also have blueprint dusk

[tender prairie]

tag: the next blind's hands, discards, and score requirement are doubled

[azure dune]

Next time you use a tarot/planet get 1 more in hand

[split heron]

just a casual 243^5 multiplier

[dire sinew]

DNA Tag
If your first hand in the next round contains a single card, spawn a copy of it if your hand.

[vague cypress]

#1172277364458262548 message

[shadow coyote]

Fill all empty joker slots with common jokers

[clever drift]

NG+++

[blazing needle]

broken earlygame

[dire sinew]

I like it

[split heron]

i would take that in ante 1

[vague cypress]

Imagine getting that ante 1 though

[livid pewter]

isnt that kinda op as first skip

[dire sinew]

I think getting free random Jokers is fun

[shadow coyote]

Maybe I hide it until Ante 2

[livid pewter]

20$ worth

[stoic echo]

32 on ng+++

[tender prairie]

tbh ante 2 still pretty dang good

[livid pewter]

silly one but what about turn all ur cards stone for the next blind 😭

[dire sinew]

It could be available on Ante 1 but have the game beyond White Chip be balanced around it

[shadow coyote]

There is no ng+

[stoic echo]

oh is that gone now

just replaced by chips?

[shadow coyote]

That is mega old

[azure dune]

All cards get a random effect next fight

[stoic echo]

makes sense

[livid pewter]

I was thinking of that but its kinda op

even if all cards get foil

[stoic echo]

thanks for info tho to help us think more in the space of the game

[azure dune]

(non-spectral)

[dire sinew]

I would either make it add a copy, or as I suggested before allow you to use a second card from a pack

[livid pewter]

oh

[dire sinew]

I like this idea, but maybe it’s too specific

[stoic echo]

make a random card (not joker) polychrome, foil, holographic as a tag but weighted (like the current spectal pack) so getting it polychrome is pretty rare

[livid pewter]

turn all ur cards gold for the next round 😭

[stoic echo]

and make the tag rare aswell

[azure dune]

I also like it but 2x luck kinda hard to do

[ruby wagon]

Tag: make a copy of scored cards of first hand played

[dire sinew]

I’d maybe prefer if it were more than 1. A single random 1 doesn’t seem worth it

[stoic echo]

me when i have troubador and juggler, golden ticker and i get this tag

[dire sinew]

Maybe 3 Hologrphic, 2 Foil, or 1 Polychrome

[dire sinew]

I suggested this but only if you played a single card

[split heron]

i still think the four "get a foil/holo/poly/neg joker in the next shop" could be condensed into 1 tag so theres more variety overall

[dire sinew]

Like DNA

[clever drift]

Delete 3 random jokers and spawn a Legedary Joker

[dire sinew]

Good point

[ruby wagon]

Yeah i figured that it could be a one time use DNA

[dire sinew]

I don’t know why you replied to me

[sudden halo]

Least used hand Tag
your least used hand get 2x (or 3x) score

[split heron]

weighted just like aura spectral is

[clever drift]

error, I swapped from 1 thought to another, sorry!

[livid pewter]

thats adding even more randomness but it is an option

[dire sinew]

I don’t like this much because I think it would homogenize runs too much

[stoic echo]

i do like this as it inspires creative gameplay

[azure dune]

to good for a tag since you can just get 3 of those and then everything good, but I do like this

though it might not be, Im bad at scaling lol

[ruby wagon]

Tag: next Shop has +1 slot

[sudden halo]

Well balancing it to maybe 1.5x if it's too op

[shadow coyote]

No interest cap for the next round

[blazing needle]

#1172277364458262548 message 🙂

[tender prairie]

tag: every hand has your maximum poker hand level for X rounds

[dire sinew]

I think this is a win more tag

[tender prairie]

well, interest is already there

[stoic echo]

u can only get 2 of em and if they stack its only a 4x buff which is ok in my eyes

[split heron]

#1172277364458262548 message lol

[dire sinew]

Are you winning? If yes, win harder. Otherwise tough luck

[blazing needle]

🙂 lol

[azure dune]

wait you can only get 2 of the same tag in a run, or do you mean in 1 ante

[shadow coyote]

It has a downside though - skipping a shop and risking a harder round

Before you get the benefit

[livid pewter]

thats kinda weak tho? even if u have like 60$ you will get +7 extra

Idk how economy works in full game

so maybe it's good there

[dire sinew]

But you’d still only take it if you already had a lot of $, so you had to be winning

[stoic echo]

in 1 ante and u said 3

[tender prairie]

it would have to be comparable to $15 post-boss

[stoic echo]

u can easily get over $100 and stay there

[azure dune]

they never said how long the buff lasted, thats why said 3

[split heron]

yeah, no interest cap for a round would be worse than $15 tag unless youve already got a ton of money

at which point you probably have good eco

[livid pewter]

^

so you wont need it

[shadow coyote]

What if you had $1000

[stoic echo]

oh, thunk said buffs like that should only last one round so thats what i was talking about

[tender prairie]

i'd pay rent

[azure dune]

ah ok

[dire sinew]

Wouldn’t you be winning already? Or will inflation be a mechanic in the full game?

[livid pewter]

thats a bit too situational tho, like if u just go for max money

[dire sinew]

Do rerolls start at $500 due to inflation?

[azure dune]

basically the idea is 1.2x money after next blind

[shadow coyote]

Essentially yeah

[dire sinew]

Tuff Tag
Negates the Boss’ effect during the first hand.

[stoic echo]

ive seen packs go up in price the further the ante but i dont know if thats outdated

thunk would have to confirm

[ruby wagon]

Tag: gain a random rare/legendary joker to aid you in the next blind and it would disappear after that

[shadow coyote]

I am talking about the demo only

[livid pewter]

what if it is water

[sudden halo]

Double Tag
Your next tag is doubled

[dire sinew]

Besides it being a win-more tag, I think it’s too similar to the +$ tag after the boss

[dire sinew]

You lose the Discards after the first hand

[azure dune]

to simlar to what local said (get 2 random tags) + I already mentioned

[split heron]

id like if there were 2 different tags that gave you spectrals in some capacity

[sudden halo]

Well those are random

[split heron]

i like spectrals

[dire sinew]

Tag
You’re it!

[clever drift]

Zombie Tag: Change the Boss Blind to An Already Defeated Boss

[shadow coyote]

I like it

[azure dune]

Yo sick idea

[stoic echo]

cool idea

what if u had an ante skip tag?

[dire sinew]

In exchange for what? $30?

[tender prairie]

instead of losing 1 shop you lose 4? sign me up

[shadow coyote]

Any real benefit to that?

[vague cypress]

Ante Tag: +1 ante after defeating boss blind

[shadow coyote]

Aside from speedrunners?

[dire sinew]

Skip the Final Boss

[stoic echo]

either gaining money, somthing good | but pretty good if u have a good deck setup and dont need the shop

[tender prairie]

lol

[vague cypress]

For a better score for daily runs maybe?

[dire sinew]

Going back -1 Ante seems interesting

Great Scott Tag
-1 Ante

[clever drift]

Voucher does this

[stoic echo]

thats a voucher

[sudden halo]

Undecided Tag
Choose two cards from your next arcana/planet/[spectral] pack

[vague cypress]

I know you mentioned rounds/hands played could be part of that

[dire sinew]

It could also be a Tag

[dire sinew]

I did suggest this

[sudden halo]

Great minds think alike

[dire sinew]

Here

[dire sinew]

Exactly

[shadow coyote]

As a tag I don't think that is enough benefit for it to be in the normal game

[livid pewter]

skipping ante feels a bit too much imo

[stoic echo]

it could also be added challenge to make the game harder?

[vague cypress]

Daredevil Tag: +1 legendary joker, +1 ante?

[stoic echo]

way too op

[dire sinew]

I don’t know if I like adding Legendary Jokers too easily

[sudden halo]

^^^

[dire sinew]

Because there aren’t many of them

[shadow coyote]

The 'double edged' concept is reserved for spectrals

[dire sinew]

So it homogenizes runs

[shadow coyote]

Tags should have a pure benefit, the drawback is that you are skipping already

[stoic echo]

make sense

[clever drift]

"Legendary Rumour Tag: Collect 5 of these, spawn a Legendary joker"

[shadow coyote]

Gothic

My man

[stoic echo]

lmao

[shadow coyote]

He just Exodia'd me

[vague cypress]

If anything something like this would have to be a spectral card (probably with less of a buff?)

[dire sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-anime-omg-wtf-cant-unsee-gif-5159766

[sudden halo]

Amazing

[clever drift]

After purchasing one, it'd increase the chance to find more slightly

[sudden halo]

Maybe a similar one for poly??

[dire sinew]

Future Tag
See the next Ante

[stoic echo]

i was thought of a similar thing for my recreation thing, i love this idea

[livid pewter]

arent tag one round/shop things

[split heron]

just let them stay active between games! easy peasy

[dire sinew]

I actually think that’s too bad of a tag

[shadow coyote]

OMG egg tag

[clever drift]

Rainbow Ante- Collect 7 of these and make all your jokers polychrome

[split heron]

wrong reply 😔

[shadow coyote]

hold this tag for 2 antes, gain $40

[livid pewter]

lol

[sudden halo]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-mind-blown-mind-blowing-eyeglasses-gif-15569009

[livid pewter]

how do you hold it

[dire sinew]

You can sell Tags?

[livid pewter]

can you drop it

[shadow coyote]

No it just stays there for 2 antes

[dire sinew]

Investor Tag
Give Jokers $3 Sell cost

[shadow coyote]

if you survive it triggers

[dire sinew]

It feels too similar to the existing “beat Boss get $” tag IMO

[split heron]

i like the egg tag

[dire sinew]

This is what I thought when you said “Egg”

[shadow coyote]

Bigger risk, bigger reward

[dire sinew]

eh

[sudden halo]

How many tags can you hold at one time?

[shadow coyote]

inf

[stoic echo]

inf

[clever drift]

Studious Tag- Aces played in next blind get +4 Mult +20 chips

[vague cypress]

maybe you have to skip once per ante to keep it going? Or lower the reward to $25 (for egg tag)

[split heron]

potato chips tag - all cards in your deck get +2 chips

or however many

[dire sinew]

Maybe it could increase the sell value by more

[vague cypress]

Double effect of a chosen joker next round

[shadow coyote]

Gives $10 for ever blind skipped this run

[stoic echo]

YES

[sudden halo]

I like this better

[shadow coyote]

These speedrunners lmao

[vague cypress]

lol

[tender prairie]

tag: Gain no money at the end of next round. Hands and discards don't decrease next round.

[stoic echo]

LMAO

[dire sinew]

Like infinite hands?

[tender prairie]

yes but without breaking hand/discard related synergies

(in theory)

[dire sinew]

Isn’t that an automatic win?

[tender prairie]

yes, hence the no money reward

[sudden halo]

Isn't that just skipping the fight and getting the shop only without cash reward?

[ruby wagon]

Tag: most played hand type gets +X levels

[tender prairie]

could restrict to non-boss

[vague cypress]

I feel like this could become broken with something like business card

[tender prairie]

yes that's the idea

[stoic echo]

my goat loves this idea

[left steeple]

Tag: The first reroll in the next shop is free

[split heron]

i love the way throwback looks

[dire sinew]

For how many rounds?

[left steeple]

1

[shadow coyote]

He's a rad dude

[stoic echo]

its so cool

[left steeple]

maybe 3 if it needs a buff

[dire sinew]

I think you’re losing more $ by skipping

Like you’d make at least $3, plus interest, plus hands, plus Jokers

[livid pewter]

already an idea

[dire sinew]

That’s likely more than $5

[livid pewter]

wrong ping

[sudden halo]

Well you could change it to skip next fight amd reward and go straight to shop.

[livid pewter]

already an idea

[tender prairie]

no, you want the round to stack stuff like bus

[livid pewter]

"next shop rerolls start at 0$"

[left steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1140814054982684783.webp?size=48&name=flatten&quality=lossless

[azure dune]

Sorry had to leave for irl reasons

and now dont have time to continue

[sudden halo]

I see

[azure dune]

cause homework

so gl

Ive been procrastinating it all week

[dire sinew]

Poison Tag
Next Boss requires -0.5x Chips.

[vague cypress]

Maybe a tag that allows you to skip the boss blind?

[dire sinew]

I Know a Joker Tag
Spawn a temporary Legendary Joker for the next Boss Blind (must have room)

[sudden halo]

Yes #1172277364458262548 message

[dire sinew]

Yours is -1x tho

That sounds like a lot

[sudden halo]

No 50%?

[dire sinew]

That takes it from 2x to 1x

[sudden halo]

Yeah

[tender prairie]

they mean the boss starts at 2x (from the game's definition)

[left steeple]

Fireball

3 cards of your choosing (selected when the blind is skipped) are destroyed

[dire sinew]

Instead of 2x to 1.5x

[tender prairie]

so 2 -> 1.5x

[sudden halo]

Oh

I see

👍

[dire sinew]

I like this still

[tender prairie]

really bad tag idea: increase every number on all of your jokers by 1

[left steeple]

dear god

[sudden halo]

Game breaking moment

[dire sinew]

How does this affect Fibonacci?

[split heron]

ALL numbers

[dire sinew]

Is it +1, +2, +3, +4?

[sudden halo]

+3 you mean?

[livid pewter]

so stencil goes x3 mult for 2 empty joker slots?

[tender prairie]

where does fibonacci have +1 +2 and +3 on it

[dire sinew]

Yes that’s the “give”

[livid pewter]

that seems like a lot for a tag

[split heron]

9ball: +2 Tarot card if 3 or more 9 are played

[dire sinew]

I mean that it goes from 2 to 3, from 3 to 5, from 5 to 8, and from 8 to 12

[tender prairie]

stencil will be reverted to +1Xmult for every open slot for the full game

[tender prairie]

no it just lists the numbers outright

so A 3 4 6 9 :^)

[dire sinew]

Oh for the random Joker Tag:

Spawn a random Joker for each Ante you’ve started this run

[dire sinew]

Fibonotti

[split heron]

flower pot: X4 mult is all 5 suits are played 😳

[dire sinew]

I think this avoids needing hidden mechanics that make it not appear on Ante 1

[livid pewter]

oh cool (also Idm pings)

[sudden halo]

You could probably increase that as we have the $15 boss blind one already, and this would net the same as that if you sold all jokers. Maybe $4 or $5.

[dire sinew]

Probably yeah

[clever drift]

Space Tag: level up 3 random hands

[tender prairie]

probably worse than the most-used planet tag mentioned earlier

[dire sinew]

Maybe make it scale with Antes:

Spawn a random common Joker for each Ante you’ve started this run

[livid pewter]

finished?

not started

[dire sinew]

Started

So you get 1 in Ante 1

And 2 in Ante 2

Etc.

[azure dune]

Next fight all cards are the same suit

[sudden halo]

Identity theft is not a joke tag
All your hands identify as and give the same rewards as your most played hand

[tender prairie]

lmao

[livid pewter]

just change the desc to smth like "All hands act as your most played hand"

[sudden halo]

It's kind off a joke description

[brisk hawk]

Tag: Reroll: replace all your jokers with random jokers

[livid pewter]

thats a bit too random tbh

[dire sinew]

What do you gain in exchange?

[tender prairie]

pain

[livid pewter]

😹

[brisk hawk]

A chance at any joker, incuding legendaries

[tender prairie]

a little much for a tag

[dire sinew]

Not worth the trade off

[tender prairie]

spectral closer to it imo

[livid pewter]

1/30 chance, so worth it

(5 joker slots, 150 total jokers)

[sudden agate]

"Upgrade your most played hand twice"

[brisk hawk]

It's a harmless gamble for the beginning of the run.

[dire sinew]

You don’t have Jokers in the beginning of the run

[livid pewter]

you prob wont have anything in the beginning and you are already taking a risk by skipping

[clever drift]

Set high card to level 7

[dire sinew]

Also a tag that’s useless for 90% of the run is really bad

[shadow coyote]

lol

[sudden agate]

…is this a meme / joke I'm not familiar with

[shadow coyote]

It's just a silly effect

[dire sinew]

Comet Tag
+3 Temporary levels to most played hand this run

[brisk hawk]

Relatively so (Ante 1 or 2)

[clever drift]

Nope, just seemed high enough to justify playing high card

[sudden agate]

it actually feels pretty good for pivoting into a high card run, but it loses it effectiveness the later on in the run it is

[ruby wagon]

Wouldn’t be too fun if you had high card at a higher level

[shadow coyote]

Oh what if the tag chose a random hand, say 3oak, and increased level by 3?

[sudden halo]

+7 levels 👀

[dire sinew]

Enhanced Tag
Give each Joker +10 Chips

[shadow coyote]

And you know the hand when you skip it

[split heron]

that has potential

[dire sinew]

It’s not bad but it’s very situational

[split heron]

i dont know that id skip for it very often at all

[shadow coyote]

It's like a pivot tag

[dire sinew]

Only early on

[stoic echo]

thats p cool

[dire sinew]

Otherwise you’ll only take it if it’s aligned with what you’re doing

[split heron]

earlygame i could see myself taking that

[dire sinew]

So situational

[split heron]

situational isnt bad

[dire sinew]

I do like it early game

[shadow coyote]

Situational is pretty much ideal for tags imo

[dire sinew]

Since it gives the run a direction to go in

[dire sinew]

It depends on how situational

If you only take it 1 in 1,000 times you see it, is it a worth additional?

[split heron]

i think i would take it more than that

[dire sinew]

Otherwise it’s a non-decision

[dire sinew]

It needs to show up at the right time and with the right hand

[ruby wagon]

Tag: start next run with +5$

[split heron]

earlygame is a pretty decent chunk of the game

[clever drift]

(side suggestion: Spectral Card- reassign all of your hand level ups to a random hand rank)

[shadow coyote]

There was a card that did this way way back, big mistake

[dire sinew]

I would take it Ante 1 maybe 2

[shadow coyote]

people HATED it

[dire sinew]

Why?

[shadow coyote]

The spoon/heirloom

[ruby wagon]

Oh yeah it was a voucher wasnt it?

[dire sinew]

I thought people liked Binding of Isaac Eden’s Blessing

[tender prairie]

i was thinking something similar to this, and thought it might be better as a challenge run where it randomizes every round

[ruby wagon]

Yeah i had the same idea

[sudden halo]

@shadow coyote Are the tags named anything or is it a waste of time coming up with funny names for them?

[shadow coyote]

They're not named anything crazy

Descriptive is better

[split heron]

meta stuff can be fun but i can see why that wouldnt be popular lol

[sudden halo]

I see

[dire sinew]

Joker Tag
Give your tags funny names

[brisk hawk]

Would this activate that one joker that increases by .1x mult for every planet card triggered?

[shadow coyote]

No

[sudden halo]

Lmao

[split heron]

like, a joker that rotates between effects each time you see it (which keeps track between runs) would be neat

[dire sinew]

“This little tag is called Billy. I hate you Billy.”

[tender prairie]

voucher idea: every skip gives you one extra tag

[sudden halo]

I did like the "identity theft is not a joke" name for a tag though 😆

[dire sinew]

Ooohhhhh

[shadow coyote]

Okay maybe I'll have a little poll here

[dire sinew]

If it could show up once per run I think that would be fine

[azure dune]

Tag:

[dire sinew]

Although I don’t know if I like it as a tag

Maybe another effect

[azure dune]

Adds another Daily poll for the day

[shadow coyote]

I'll put together a list, put chat in slow mode for this thread for a few mins and we can vote. I may not respect the results 100% but it gives me an idea

[stoic echo]

real

[shadow coyote]

Dang now I gotta go over all the messages lmao

[split heron]

evab

[ruby wagon]

Good luck

There were a lot of good ideas imo

[sudden halo]

Fish tag
fish 🐟

[dire sinew]

Hone Tag
Makes edition cards more likely to show up

[sudden halo]

So no more ideas?

[stoic echo]

while it would be fucking annoying as hell to code and not worth it all

reverse tag
bosses have the opposite effect | had this idea for challenge mode https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1170238877886320660

[dire sinew]

Gross Tag
+10 Mult. 1 in 10 chance to lose this Tag after each Round

[livid pewter]

theres already tags for every edition to 100% show up

so that seems like a step back

[dire sinew]

But for a single shop

Not forever

Right?

[livid pewter]

ye but why would u get it forever

tags are 1 time thing

[sudden halo]

I think you would need to define what the opposite effect is for every boss first, there is no definitive negative to all of them

[dire sinew]

To be clear I’m a Banana hater

But I know other people like it

[dire sinew]

It’s an one time upgrade

Like it gives you a card that has a permanent effect

[stoic echo]

yuh, i do that in that thread, its like a big idea (why i said annoying and probably not worth it)

[dire sinew]

This gives you a permanent increase in chance

[sudden halo]

Where the thread at?

[stoic echo]

3rd message

i should edit the oriingal to have it one sec

[azure dune]

Tag: deletes a few cards at random in deck

thin to win

[livid pewter]

bit too random tbh

[azure dune]

deletes x amount of cards from a suit you pick

[sudden halo]

Deletes 2-3 lowest ranked cards?

[livid pewter]

Idk if I would ever pick either of those

[dire sinew]

Ante 1, maybe ante 2

[azure dune]

I mean if doing ace build it improves consistency a lot

[dire sinew]

Maybe it could destroy least played cards during the run

[sudden halo]

Why not? Thinning out your deck is an important deck building strategy.

[livid pewter]

those are probably the ones that need the most reward tho? given the risk

[dire sinew]

The reward is a smaller deck

You don’t care about what’s in your deck that early usually

[ruby wagon]

What about gold cards?

[azure dune]

make it 4 cards

[dire sinew]

Don’t take it if you have Gold

What if you don’t have Gold cards?

[azure dune]

that way you delete every number in that rank

[ruby wagon]

fair enough

[dire sinew]

I feel like I usually don’t

Like I’ve upgraded a card with Aura and I didn’t see that card for the rest of the run lol

[azure dune]

Revamped tag: Delete every card for your lowest rank

[dire sinew]

I’d do least played during the run still

[livid pewter]

well its basically "skip blind, get randomized hanged man", doesnt rly feel like the best idea imo

[azure dune]

fair

[red jetty]

**:bar_chart: These are potential Tag ideas for the full game. Select as many or as few as you wish, and judge them based on how interesting their design is [consider that the tags should be between always take and never take] **

🇦 50% off next shop
🇧 Give 2 random tags
🇨 Next tag activates 2 times
🇩 Next shop has a duplicate of one of your jokers
🇪 +2 hand size for the next round
🇫 Rerolls start at $0 in next shop
🇬 Retrigger all cards in next hand played
🇭 Fill all empty joker slots with common Jokers
🇮 Change boss blind to a previous boss
🇯 Gives $30 after defeating next 2 bosses
🇰 Gives $10 per blind skipped this run
🇱 Upgrade [some poker hand] by 3 levels

Like Simple Poll? Fuel its service with a coffee :coffee:

[livid pewter]

K - stays until the run ends or instantly triggers? (if it stays until the run ends then too op imo, +1 if it's instant)

[dire sinew]

My suggestions didn’t survive v_v

[azure dune]

rip

[shadow coyote]

Kk slowmode off

I am shocked that B is above C

[tender prairie]

fastmode on 💨

[blazing needle]

i think it's more because of how B is more random than C

C feels less interesting

as it can combo with another tag (like spectral tag for 2 spectral packs)

[shadow coyote]

What if you have [c] and [Negative Tag] in the same ante?

[blazing needle]

that would be nice

[shadow coyote]

C has synergy, B doesn't

Or you pick up [c] waiting for a juicy tag to show up later on

[split heron]

Well, you’ve certainly convinced me

[shadow coyote]

I know I'm massaging votes, I already got my screengrab of the results

[blazing needle]

[b] lost a vote?

[sudden agate]

what do people forsee F (rerolls starting at $0) being used for? trying to find a specific joker? (in the full game) getting tarots / planets based on vouchers?

[stoic echo]

i didnt vote c due to its being way to over powered in my mind

[azure dune]

I couldnt hit enter on discord, kept shaking the screen instead lol

[stoic echo]

if u combined k and c and ur on ante 10

like

[blazing needle]

holy

🤑

[sudden agate]

K ($10 per skipped blind) is interesting as it depends on the power level of other skips

[stoic echo]

k is awesome and should be a 100% in my mind

[shadow coyote]

K might be too high at $10

$5 is probably more in line

[azure dune]

thats what I was thinking

[stoic echo]

but maybe its the,

talking

[azure dune]

LOl

[livid pewter]

add cap?

[stoic echo]

def

[split heron]

K also gives you interesting choices, do you double the first decent tag you see or do you wait for a specific one?

[shadow coyote]

K is an interesting one because it helps make worst tags more tempting to take too

Same with C

[dire sinew]

K doesn’t encourage me because I don’t know if I’ll see it later

[split heron]

I meant to say C lol

[dire sinew]

I’m free! I can post here again

[stoic echo]

while true for both i think K creates unqiue gameplay and c creates bloated gameplay

[dire sinew]

Why

[stoic echo]

meta hunting for tags

[split heron]

C can certainly be a more rare tag

[stoic echo]

defenitly

[sudden agate]

I think people are sleeping on H (fill joker slots with common ones), it basically guarantees you one-shot early blinds for good econ (but falls off over the run)

[dire sinew]

Is Negative guaranteed?

[dire sinew]

Can you explain better

[stoic echo]

we kinda already do that cuz spectral + $15 tag is goated

[shadow coyote]

Yes

[dire sinew]

Then C is stronger for sure

[stoic echo]

it creates a zone where instead of just playing runs, optimal play becomes reseting until u get a good tag pair

[shadow coyote]

For Seeded yeah

[blazing needle]

if tags have rarities i guess the border of them should resemble their rarity (red for rare, green for uncommon, i forgor for legendary?)

[dire sinew]

I still think it could scale with started Antes rather than being Antelocked in secret

[shadow coyote]

But seeded is like that anyway

[stoic echo]

i could argue for random seed to for some people

[dire sinew]

I mean you would reset anyways

[sudden agate]

personally, I like to go for winstreaks

(without resets)

[dire sinew]

I don’t see how this one tag would make a difference

[shadow coyote]

I don't think that is a common issue, some players would do that but for the mostpart I don't think people would

[split heron]

I would love C for seeded

[stoic echo]

thats fair, thats why multiple minds are awesome cuz not everyone gonna think the same

[sudden agate]

agreed, I think it feels against the spirit of the game to reroll the first ante and most people won't do that

[dire sinew]

By multiple minds they mean they put their mind in multiple people, so they all think the same

[shadow coyote]

The argument is that if all tags are better then resetting is more incentivized because tags are like the only thing you can see on reset

[dire sinew]

Oh you edited it

[shadow coyote]

Unless ante 1 has no tags

or ante 1 has a much smaller/worse pool of tags

[dire sinew]

I don’t think Ante 1 should be special

[stoic echo]

i would like that

[dire sinew]

If possible

Because it’s not very elegant IMO

[sudden agate]

I think for balance, that would be great, but I don't like it from a game design perspective - it's not elegant

[blazing needle]

hmm 🤔
maybe ante 1 starts with common tags
ante 2 has the chance for uncommon tags
and ante 3 has the chance for rare tags

[dire sinew]

Same brain

[stoic echo]

^

[sudden agate]

oh, tag rarities? that'd be interesting

[tender prairie]

no skips in ante 1 is good for new players

[dire sinew]

I didn’t even know different Jokers of the same rarity had different prices

[blazing needle]

and tag rarities can be represented by border color

[shadow coyote]

Yes tags will have hidden rarity

[stoic echo]

ye thunk was talking about invisible tag raritys earlier

and right now

[tender prairie]

and in the future

[stoic echo]

:3

[blazing needle]

alr

[dire sinew]

I do think maybe that’s unnecessary complexity, but w/e

[shadow coyote]

There is other hidden rarity in the game already

[stoic echo]

it already exsists

[livid pewter]

the hidden rarity is there mostly to balance negative/poly tags

[dire sinew]

I still don’t like it

Existing or not

[shadow coyote]

Pros are balance - drawback is hidden info

[blazing needle]

^

i think visible rarities will make things more transparent, as people will know what is rare to come across

[sudden agate]

I personally don't like hidden information - i.e. anything that you'd need to go to a wiki to "learn how to play optimally"

[stoic echo]

correct me if wrong Aura is weighted like that

[blazing needle]

no

[dire sinew]

Exactly

[stoic echo]

like the results of aura i mean

[tender prairie]

i think skips in ante 1 guarantees there will be some tags that are worth taking every time, and some that will never be worth taking. i think no skips in ante 1 makes sense, and is better for new players to ease them into the systems

[dire sinew]

And while you can overfit a game to make it balanced, a simpler system is usually more elegant

[blazing needle]

aura is a 1/10 chance to get (demo), and a 1/3 chance for poly (effective 1/30) i think

[shadow coyote]

This is a shades of grey thing - the alternative is always showing all information and that has drawbacks too

[dire sinew]

Not if there isn’t a lot of information to show

[sudden agate]

agreed… it's a tricky balance

[blazing needle]

yea

[stoic echo]

in my head i dont think poly is 1/3

from what ive used

could be so wrong

[blazing needle]

same here

idk probabilities

[stoic echo]

thats what im saying

[split heron]

Aura is weighted the same wof isn’t it?

[blazing needle]

wof is chance

[split heron]

Well, WoF successes

[tender prairie]

aura is 1/5 or better to get since you get at least 2 cards in the spectral pack

[shadow coyote]

I know other deckbuilders have a ton of information to show but that is something I dislike about other games. I have an awful attention span. So if I can hide information that isn't really that important then it doesn't matter much to me

[tender prairie]

also foil/holo/poly for aura is weighted 10/7/3

[shadow coyote]

And I'm making this game for me still

[dire sinew]

I do like the idea of getting Random Jokers. Most other Roguelikes give random free items, and that can incentivize going a suboptimal route which is more fun

[sudden agate]

I think that Aura / WoF / general edition distribution is a good example of something that is "good hidden information" - players can't really use it to play more optimally

[dire sinew]

“Would you buy this bad item? No. Would you take it for free? Yes.”

[sudden agate]

in the same vein… weightings for tags are good, because players can't use it to play more optimally

[dire sinew]

Although in Balatro you can always sell them, unlike other Roguelikes

[stoic echo]

thats what i thoguht

[shadow coyote]

I think the tag rarity would be similar. Same as how Jokers have hidden rarity

[dire sinew]

I think that’s good because it’s expected IMO

[stoic echo]

hell yeah

[shadow coyote]

Well, partially hidden joker rarity

[blazing needle]

jokers have hidden rarity?

🤔

[sudden agate]

I didn't know that Jokers had hidden rarity! (is that why I never see Four Fingers)

[shadow coyote]

Rare/uncommon/common

but hidden is what that even means

[dire sinew]

That’s not hidden tho

[shadow coyote]

So it's more partial information

[blazing needle]

i never seen banner for 20 runs in a row even with skips

[sudden agate]

it is technically hidden, but I like it

[livid pewter]

you dont know how often uncommon/rare appear

[livid pewter]

so it is

[dire sinew]

I think I saw DNA once

[sudden agate]

the assumption is that all uncommons have the same chance of occurring, etc.

[shadow coyote]

Right

[blazing needle]

oh yea

[shadow coyote]

Whatever that chance actually is

Maybe theyre MORE common

[dire sinew]

I mean, if you want to calculate the run optimally yeah, otherwise you don’t need that information too much

[shadow coyote]

[they're not]

So would having a rare/uncommon/common thing for tags be better?

I feel like they're so minor that is just too much info

[dire sinew]

Better than what

[shadow coyote]

It doesn't matter

[stoic echo]

i like the idea discopig had

[shadow coyote]

Than nothing

[blazing needle]

i think it would be better, as jokers have those rarities as well

[stoic echo]

where the box is the color of the rarity

like the border

[split heron]

Yeah I like that idea too

[dire sinew]

I would prefer if there wasn’t a rarity, but if you think it would make for a good experience you can add them

[sudden agate]

that may limit balance opportunities, as the assumption is that all tags of the same rarity have the same chance of showing up

[shadow coyote]

My other way of balancing them was making them chance based

And that wasn't great either

Do you have ideas?

[stoic echo]

i like raritys way more

[dire sinew]

I mean, you said “better than nothing”

I thought the alternative was nothing

I like nothing

[shadow coyote]

Showing nothing but having hidden rarity

Nothing as in no tags?

[dire sinew]

As in no rarity

[shadow coyote]

That has balance issues

[dire sinew]

[stoic echo]

my only idea is bad and i dont like it but if tags still had chances, a pity system would be nice

[shadow coyote]

Otherwise I could remove the negative tag entirely

[stoic echo]

but i dont like that idea personally

[shadow coyote]

Because it's too strong to be in the riff raff

[sudden agate]

my idea for the chance based to be nicer is "3x chance for Negatives until one appears"

[dire sinew]

Maybe you can think how strong are Tags in the best case scenario compared to their average scenario, then see if that’s worth adding rarities instead of removing Tags

Specific Tags

Or all of them Idk

[sudden agate]

so it significantly increases your chances, but you're not guaranteed to immediately get it

[stoic echo]

if that was the case negative would be a little rarer than holographics

[sudden agate]

(that 3 was a random number, maybe it should be 10?)

[shadow coyote]

Anything that doesn't actually show what is happening has issues too

I have the same problem with Hone

[stoic echo]

^

agreed on that

[sudden agate]

I don't find Hone to be a problem

[shadow coyote]

It confuses people

[dire sinew]

You could have a small pop up whenever Hone causes a card that wouldn’t have appeared appear

[shadow coyote]

Because it mucks with a hidden rarity

[stoic echo]

hone feels like copium half the time to me

[dire sinew]

But I don’t like how Hone feels

Because Edition cards are already too rare IMO

[livid pewter]

hone just doesnt feel like its there

[blazing needle]

rarity borders for tags can look like this

[sudden agate]

I quite like the rarity of edition cards

[dire sinew]

And Hone makes them slightly less Rare (still very rare)

[brisk hawk]

Maybe class the tags in the collection? So its not in everyone's face

[stoic echo]

almost exactly what i was thinking

[blazing needle]

@stoic echo nice speedrun of the reaction (0.02 seconds) 👍

[sudden agate]

you can complete runs without them, but when they show up they are meaningful - if they're too common they don't have the same impact

[stoic echo]

DAWG\

[dire sinew]

I can’t remember any run of mine where edition cards had an impact

[stoic echo]

i defenitly can

[dire sinew]

I do remember the run I got one edition card and I never saw it again

[dire sinew]

It can but not often enough to feel fun

[sudden agate]

by impact I mean "storytelling impact", like "wow I was going really bad and then a random polychrome saved the day"

you don't get that if they are more common

[dire sinew]

Like make them 1% more likely and increase the Ante scaling by 100%

[stoic echo]

exactly

[blazing needle]

yea

[dire sinew]

I haven’t had that story happen to me

[stoic echo]

we are getting so off topic but :3

[shadow coyote]

The rarity of editions is certainly something I won't be changing - them being hard to find is way more fun I think

[dire sinew]

Just “wow I paid for this and it did literally nothing”

[dire sinew]

I’m fine with them being rare, I just think they’re a bit too rare

[split heron]

you beat me lmao

[dire sinew]

Or at least make tools like Hone better

[blazing needle]

lmao

[dire sinew]

Because then you can engineer specific situations where they’re more likely

And you need to play for it

[stoic echo]

its crazy cuz i feel they are sometimes too common LOL, specifically just foil

[dire sinew]

I keep saying I’m very skill issued

[split heron]

but tag rarities could pretty easily fit within common/uncommon/rare and maybe legendary imo

[stoic echo]

^

ur leg one looks so clean

[dire sinew]

But I think Editions are so rare they might not exist

[stoic echo]

the yellow and black look awesome

[split heron]

thank you!

[dire sinew]

Except maybe for Jokers, and even then I still haven’t had those crazy 2 Negative, 3 Polychrome, etc. runs

[blazing needle]

editions are rare to the point where they arent guaranteed in every run, and i think it's like that for a good reason

*card

[shadow coyote]

Adding a rarity system to tags is also adding mental complexity to the players idea of the game

[dire sinew]

I’m fine if they don’t appear every run, but even when they do appear I don’t feel like Edition cards do anything

[shadow coyote]

Which is something that, for new players, you need to be very careful about

[blazing needle]

i see your point

[livid pewter]

maybe only display rarity in the collection?

[blazing needle]

that's the same as "view wiki for success" but more accessible

[shadow coyote]

A visual nod might work if it's subtle enough

[stoic echo]

idk i feel like newer players would be able to pick up on rarity of tags even if it was hidden just by playing

[blazing needle]

yea

[livid pewter]

that too

[stoic echo]

ye, the borders seem subtle to me if they were like faded colors

[blazing needle]

they see gold border: OOOH rare tag

[dire sinew]

I can give an example with Pokémon: like there a small percentage chance to find a rare Pokémon, and you can increase your odds to find it by trying again a specific strategy in a specific place. However, after doing the same thing for dozens of hours, it stops being fun and it becomes grinding. The player isn’t engaging with the game in a meaningful way, they’re doing a repetitive task until they get a reward.

[brisk hawk]

I don't think this is too much of a problem if you introduce the concept with a pop up in the tutorial.

[dire sinew]

I’d much rather need to bear a difficult challenge to get a reward than to grind against Pokémons that are one fifth of my level

Like have me fight an opponent twice as strong

[shadow coyote]

No popups are better than any popups - so if this doesn't need to be explained at all I'd still prefer that

[split heron]

a subtle border colour change, and then organizing the tags by rarity in the collection

that would be good i think

[dire sinew]

So my opinion on Editions and some rare benefits is like this

[stoic echo]

are you planning for this tag overhual feature to be in feburary demo or earlier cuz if so youd be able to see if the subtle idea works with new players

[brisk hawk]

Fair enough. Good design doesn't require explaination.

[split heron]

plus you can keep the colors of the current rarities