Boss Blind Tournament

[earnest rover]

Boss Blind Tournament

Your entries must contain these:

• Name of the Boss Blind: [Insert Boss Blind Name]

• Effects/Debuff of the Boss Blind: [Describe the effects or debuffs applied by the Boss Blind]

• Reward of the Boss Blind: [$5 Mininum, $10 Max]

• Base Score of the Boss Blind: [x1 Base, x1.5 Base, x2 Base, x2.5 Base, x3 Base, x3.5 Base, x4 Base]

Btw ignore what just happened

[cedar bluff]

7/11 was -4 months ago

[earnest rover]

Please

Understand me

I'm from thailand and we use dd:mm:yy 😭

[cedar bluff]

Lol I was assuming that ||you most certainly did not write mm:dd:yy in the suggestion post||

[earnest rover]

Oh wait

Am I that drunk rn

[honest portal]

**Boss: Tangerine Hourglass **

Effect: Applies a different debuff after each hand, in this order.
-Minus 1 Discard
-Minus 1 Hand
-Score Required goes up by 0.1x per discarded card.
-Minus 2 Hand Size
-Random Joker disabled
-All Cards Debuffed
-Game Over.

Reward: $10

Base Score: 2x Base

[honest portal]

It counts down you see

[timid ore]

I think this could be streamlined to be a more interesting challenge.

I think the idea of a Boss Blind that changes effect after each hand could be interesting as you could choose to tackle a particular effect by spending Hands. But as is it’s just a bunch of different effects that aren’t thematically connected to each other.

Rather than proposing a rework, I’m just gonna comment on what’s there.

First I would have the Discard penalty first, since you could just spend all your discards before the second Hand.

Second I don’t see why this has a 3x Score requirement. According to the wiki most bosses have 2x requirement except for the Bosses whose effect is a larger than usual requirement, and AFAIK the Boss that has a limit of only one Hand to be beaten.

[honest portal]

Oh

First, I agree the discards should be first

But the idea I had behind it is it slowly removes features of the game from the least important to most important

Maybe it could have an even more evil effect

Also its a bigger blind so you have to play more hands

I'm thinking of how to change the dynamics of it

Like what typically happens turn 2 I can interrupt?

Turn 1 you'd play your best hand presumably

And then turn 3, so on and so forth

Just to make it as hard but balanced as possible

[timid ore]

Thinking of the Hourglass theme, I had a completely different idea for a Boss effect

[honest portal]

Alright go ahead

[timid ore]

The Score required increases for each card that leaves your deck

[honest portal]

Hmmmmm

I like that too

Any idea on the scaling of that?

I mean the effect is simple enough

I could implement it into the effect as one of the rounds, like after round 3 the required score goes up based on how many cards have left the deck

I still want the countdown feature

[timid ore]

I was thinking x0.1 per card. So after drawing your first hand it’s x2.8 the base Score

[timid ore]

Someone had also suggested a Boss Blind with an effect centered around real world time. I don’t like that idea personally but you can use it too

Or maybe it was a challenge rather than a Boss

[honest portal]

That's interesting

I'm not super down with that concept but it's cool for sure

I changed the effect and made it 6 rounds until game over, on the 7th, game over.

[clear glacier]

assassinchara has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[compact forge]

xD

[honest portal]

Maybe shouldn't be 3x base

[honest portal]

LOL

[compact forge]

It ban the "Hack" word? Lol

[honest portal]

Guess so

[timid ore]

I wouldn’t have the increment per card mixed with other effects. If you do other effects, I’d keep them simple.

Also I don’t like removing a Hand as an effect when playing Hands is what moves the countdown

[timid ore]

It does

[timid ore]

As I said I think Bosses should be kept at x2 unless they have a very clear reason why (like the Needle) or it’s part of the Boss’ effect

[compact forge]

Hacker blind
When doing actions (using hand - using consumable cards - discarding) it hack 2 random card per action.

Hack symbol will take a chip based on the value and debuff this hack card

This blind will use the first skill when start battleing

(Hack symbol will gone if put into deck)

Idea from
Ix10 dice or IIIIIIIIII Boss in random dice

[honest portal]

Interesting, it would require you to work around debuffs or play hands and do actions more accordingly which I love

Bosses need to be more dynamic in the way the player has to think about their score instead of just playing the best hand (which is fun, but not dynamic)

Does it debuff 2 cards per hands played or 2 cards per card played

Or both?

So if I play a 5 card hand, it debuffs 12 cards? (2 for each card 1 for the hand)

[timid ore]

I think in the full game you won’t know what Bosses will be coming, so you might have a Hearts build then come across the Head on the next Ante

The dynamic isn’t inside the Blind but in the lead-up to it

[honest portal]

Yea that's fair

I like that way of thinking but also hard bosses

Lol

I guess it's hard to come up with unique concepts other than incredibly hard bosses for me

[compact forge]

Fun fact
Using tarot or planet "count" as a action

I gonna draw this blind
Because i love this boss

[compact forge]

No
It just only hack 2 card
Because it just use 1 hand

(I may have written incorrectly, sorry lul)

[honest portal]

Gotchaa

Nice I like that idea

[honest portal]

Pls pls pls do

I'd love to see more of your artwork you're one of the top tiers here

[hallow violet]

How many times can you submit'? Just 1?

[honest portal]

Tru I'd like to make more

The discussions are fun

[hallow violet]

The Drought
Effect: You gain no interest from this round.
Reward: 0$
Base Score: 2x Base

[compact forge]

Skill +50% lazy +90%

[honest portal]

But it always looks great!

[honest portal]

Just mean 😠

But I like it to starve out cash flow completey

[timid ore]

I saw a similar suggestion before and I wasn’t a fan of it then. The Round itself isn’t harder, it just makes your life harder later

[honest portal]

It Skips the shop on the round before the boss

[hallow violet]

The Calculator
Effect: -1 hand for each 10$ you have
Reward: 10$
Base Score: 2x base

[timid ore]

I had had a similar idea that punishes having too much $

The Pauper https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1164969920182890516

Looking at the banner, one of the symbols reminded me of a root symbol, and that made me think of a Boss idea. (Not a submission, just thinking out loud.)

The Root
Square root your score each Hand.

[cedar bluff]

Irrational scores

Nice

[timid ore]

They’re rounded, like when you have decimal Multipliers

[cedar bluff]

Yuh fair

[timid ore]

If you can one shot the Blind, taking the square root of that score takes you at least 70% of the way there, so it’s not that much harder

[cedar bluff]

No bc taking the root of like 1600 (ante 2) is only 40?

At least I think of when you say score

[timid ore]

Maybe I forgot to take the square root of the base

Yeah taking the base into account it scales as the multiplicative inverse of the square root

So for reference using Verdant Green’s 50k, you would be ~0.3% of the way there

[cedar bluff]

Yeah-

Gl winning lmao

[timid ore]

If the Base score is x0.05 then it’s about 12% of the way

At x0.0125 it’s around 50.6%

[timid ore]

I think a better solution is to take the square root of the base Ante score, which if multiplied by 2 takes us back to this scenario

What’s interesting is that this is more punishing if you have extremely large or extremely low hands, but less punishing if your hands have close scores, I think

Actually not quite, this is true if the hands sum to the same amount. (It’s the same kind of erroneous reasoning I see people give for having Chips and Mult be equal.)

[honest portal]

Ebony Equinox
Effect: -1 Hand Size for each joker
Reward: $10
Base Score: x2 Base

[earnest rover]

Many submits allowed

[earnest rover]

Interesting, the more you go down the messier you get

[honest portal]

Yep

You just beat the timer or lose

[earnest rover]

This is also a really interesting idea

[compact forge]

Gravity blind boss

Will force 2 random cards in hand to be forced to "choose" without being able to resist. When discarding or play hand , random card randomly forced again.

[timid ore]

Oh, then I’m gonna submit some I had already made lol

[timid ore]

I think you could simplify the text by writing “For each Joker”.

I like the scaling effect, since it introduces a new dynamic that other Bosses don’t have, but it feels more punishing than existing Blinds.

[honest portal]

Each joker slot in use

Oh yea ok

[timid ore]

I think this would be more balanced if it affected a single card. Allowing the card to be played or discarded makes it slightly easier, but it’s still a heavy restriction. This is the kind of effect I think would warrant a x1 base Score.

The Rock
Shuffle 13 temporary Stone cards into your deck.
Score at least x2 Base to earn $5

Design notes here: https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1170343625226461264

[earnest rover]

Really interesting idea

[timid ore]

Thanks!

[timid ore]

The Dog
Jokers are disabled
Score at least 1x Base to win $5
Design notes here: https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1170688800415035487

[timid ore]

Alternative art because I wanted to see what it looks like with a raised head.

[timid ore]

The Root
Takes the square root of your Score each hand
*Score at least **2x √*Base to win $5
Design notes here: https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1170704202025152585

why so big

[compact forge]

My blind is too small lul

Btw i draw a card for no reason*

[honest portal]

It's pretty awesome man great job

It's even a gift lol

Gif*

[compact forge]

[honest portal]

Yes!

Thanks!

[earnest rover]

I will select a winner for this now

I've selected a winner

The root

by @timid ore

Takes the square root of your Score each hand
Score at least 2x √Base to win $5

[timid ore]

:0 thanks

[earnest rover]

There were a lot of good ones, But if I had to pick the best It would be this one

The idea isn't a lot complicated also not that simple

So here you go :]

[timid ore]

[earnest rover]

🍜

[cedar bluff]

very pog

[hallow violet]

Why did this win when it has a terrible design? Like, this is trivially easy to pass. A base that requires 100,000 chips (double that of the final boss) for example would just require 100 chips to pass.

And in order to get 100 chips you need... 100,000 chips. Like, am I crazy or does taking the square root of both the chips and the score just even it out?

It also seems terribly impractical in game from both a rounding standpoint and UI design; no player should have to wonder about the scaling properties of square roots, or how much they actually need to get to pass.

[hallow violet]

Update; I did some thought and while this isn't 100% true if you have multiple hands, it's still trivially easy.

If the score normally would be 100,000 chips, it becomes 100 chips.

Then, you can win by playing two hands of 2,500 chips, which become 50.

My math was a bit off;
If this assumed the place of Verdant Leaf, 50,000, you'd need ~223 chips to win

What that means is that 5 hands of 2,500 wins

Beating this blind is not hard at all. If you have some basic multiplier jokers like Abstract, Misprint and etc you can easily get the numbers needed for this

This is a:
-> Unintuitive
-> Hard to calculate what numbers you need
-> And too easy
Blind. Seriously what did this win? It's not good for the new player experience (square roots being unintuitive), it's not good for the experiment player experience (it forces them to whip a calculator to figure if their hand will win) and it's not good for the difficulty curve by being way too easy to beat. What's actually good for it other than the cheeky name and idea?

[honest portal]

I don't think it has to be super practical to still be a cool boss design

[timid ore]

I agree it’s probably the least likely to be interesting in-game lol but it’s fun to think about

Although I think that in practice it’s a 40% increase in Blind size that favors balanced hands slightly

[timid ore]

Agreed