#Juggler vs 8 Ball

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calm token
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green cosmos
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Litterally just had this happen in my run

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and picked juggler

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though yellow deck I get both but if I had to pick juggler

honest kelp
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I feel like I lean 8 ball

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Juggler definitely more consistent throughout all runs, but because this is specifically first shop it has so much potential to just define your run for you

green cosmos
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Im an anti 8 baller

final garnet
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I'd go juggler over 8 ball just because it's generically good vs 8 ball needing you to force more 8s and I don't necessarily want to do that every run

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I like both a lot tho

warm grotto
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What does juggler do?

green cosmos
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+2 hand size

gusty gazelle
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8 ball first shop requiring you to go all in on 8s immediately VS Juggler just being good

sullen beacon
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Y'all don't understand 🤑 .

signal flint
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Juggler is just universally good

bleak smelt
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I wish Blueprint worked with Juggler

green cosmos
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ikr

bleak smelt
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enable truly degenerate levels of card draw

sullen beacon
tribal stirrup
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Juggler is probably the better choice but 8 ball runs are really fun and pop off like crazy if you get it early so I'd pick that I think

warm grotto
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Then juggler for sure, that guy has carried my shitty hands to getting 50k chips

fading badge
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8 balls fine but i dislike how inconsistent it is

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juggler is literally always good

cedar hemlock
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Yeah juggler is indeed good in any situation and makes playing any hand type easier
But man 8 ball is like. Fun and charming to me I take it every time

reef oak
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Juggler is the safe bet, 8 Ball can either do nothing or instantly win you the run

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And in a roguelike inspired by gambling, why would I play it safe if I could win it all?

vital pollen
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juggler's too good yea

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also a must have when you have 5oak builds through spectral packs and whatsnot

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cause if you get "turn all cards into one rank", that -1 hand size huuurts a lot of the time

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Juggler's also got a really funny gimmick vs verdant leaf which is like

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if you like all your other jokers, you can discard cards until you get the ones you want

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and then you sell juggler

toxic carbon
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In a vacuum I’d go for juggler more often than 8ball, but overall 8ball is more fun

karmic oasis
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People really taking juggler over an economy card in the first shop? You can sell the tarot cards from 8 ball if you don’t want them.

Juggler is a good card but I probably wouldn’t take it unless I had a build that was difficult/unreliable to draw.

ripe wave
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i’m rolling for a score joker blatrospade

lilac bobcat
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8 ball cause I want that scaling potential poggies, also it's a cool buildaround

naive geode
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8 ball early because there’s a possibility of getting a ridiculous run off the ground. This is definitely a tougher question than the last one though cause juggler is just so good.

honest kelp
heady egret
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🚨

green cosmos
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cant post images D:

full mist
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this is something that tends to be the superior options in roguelike: consistency
once you have some form of consistency, then you can start to afford to balling, in this case getting Juggler over 8 Ball (but I’ll get both if I have the chance)

heady egret
green cosmos
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bleak smelt
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My brain WANTS to take 8 Ball

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but it NEEDS to take Juggler

pale harness
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Juggler is going to help me win,
but 8 ball is funny :^)

ancient remnant
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It’s crazy to me that juggler is a common joker

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Insanely powerful effect

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Honestly I’m thankful it’s common but still

tardy stone
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given how crippling -1 hand size feels I'm definitely underrating juggler

native wave
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If this were Juggler vs Cartographer, I think it would be a much much more difficult decision

honest kelp
gusty gazelle
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you would

native wave
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Cartographer is a free Arcana every round, right?

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Or did I get that mixed up lol

gusty gazelle
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Cartographer is my favorite joker though, but juggler is probably always the better pick (i would still pick cartographer though)

native wave
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A free Arcana every round scales like crazy, can solve the first few rounds by enabling high-scoring hands even without Jokers, and has insane late-game potential, especially if grabbed early

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Juggler is

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Well

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You know

green cosmos
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cartomancer still has a chance of randomness

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but then you can just sell

native wave
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💯🔥

green cosmos
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and emporor or fool change that randomness

native wave
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Early in a game, though, you can use the randomness to determine which direction your build will go in. There aren't many outcomes that you can't take advantage of.

green cosmos
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yeah

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and it can help boost over a 5$ mark for interest

native wave
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I'm not saying Cartographer is the clear pick, I'm saying that they're both excellent cards and it would be hard for me to decide

green cosmos
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same

native wave
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Oh yeah, you're not the person I'm arguing with 😋

green cosmos
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ontier list they are both high up there and are right next to eachother

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I just got home so decided to join

heady egret
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yeah i'd probably go cartomancer over juggler if i was forced to choose

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i think both provide enough consistency over time, and cartomancer has a much higher ceiling

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imo juggler is in the same tier just because it's common, but it's not as strong

gray raptor
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Ngl unpopular opinion juggler just isn't that good

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Like it's fine but I find myself passing on it alot. It's basically the same as draw two additional cards once with minor upsides if ur chasing flushes or straights

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And since 4/5 of a kind is just better and easier to get/scale idk why you'd go flushes

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I'd take it if I already had a flush joker but not as a first pick it's 8 ball everytime

native wave
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IMO Juggler helps a build that relies on specific cards not to brick

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But since it doesn't contribute to multipliers or chips, it can't save a build that doesn't have enough go juice in the first place

tardy stone
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I feel like with some builds (commonly straights, please buff straights im on my knees begging) you need to hold a bunch of cards to maximise chances of getting the straight which means you can't look that deep into the deck

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but the 'meta' builds revolve around more consistent hands that won't need juggler to begin with

faint plinth
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wow I just saw this and it's very clearly 8 ball to me, juggler is great but replaceable, 8 ball is really great and not replaceable, and it's the first shop so you have time to get a mult later

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i get not wanting to restrict your run to a certain type of thing though, and 8 ball will do that

lean dome
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I tend to think juggler is significantly better in terms of win rate (at least for the easy-difficulty Demo). I tend to find that runs die because you weren't able to draw your good hand much more often than they die because you couldn't find enough scaling.
Juggler makes your draws much more consistent, not only because of the +2 cards, but because it allows you to always discard 5 cards while cycling through your deck looking for your winning hand.

pine moth
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depends on the scenario

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if im going for a full house/flush house build, 8 ball