Another joker I dont got a name for | Balatro | Page 1

tame bramble Oct 17, 2023, 9:22 PM

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too op i think

narrow elk Oct 17, 2023, 9:48 PM

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I assume they mean 10 more cards in your hand, not 10 more tarot cards

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 9:59 PM

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yeah

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:23 PM

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this sounds more like a voucher

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also still way too strong tbh

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eliminating luck is eliminating what makes synergies so fun

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:24 PM

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but it takes a joker slot and doesnt give multi/chips unless it gets and effect

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also could just be for tarot cards and be 2x instead of +10

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:25 PM

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this makes no sense in being a joker

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it doesnt do anything end of blind or start of blind, and it sure as hell doesn't do anything during a blind

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:26 PM

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true

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maybe +2 cards after each blind

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:26 PM

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what

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:26 PM

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or +1 after eachblind and boss blinds +2

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:27 PM

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or just a voucher that gives you +2 cards to be able to view and apply tarot effects on

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:27 PM

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+2 so weak

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:27 PM

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+2 is not weak at all it's a voucher lol

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:27 PM

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+5 would be decent

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but +2 weak

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:28 PM

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+2 is perfectly balanced

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:28 PM

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if your including spectrals, but we said no spectrals

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if including spectrals +3

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:29 PM

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propose i flip a 5 sided dice
20/80 to get a specific number right? now with your idea, that goes to 30/70

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:29 PM

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ok

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and

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:29 PM

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a 50% increase in your odds is too strong to be a voucher

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:29 PM

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but why a 5 sided die

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:30 PM

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+2 would be from 20/80 to 24/76

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10 cards out of 52 is closest to 1/5

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:30 PM

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30/70 isnt that big of a just compared to 20/80

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:31 PM

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it is when your odds get boosted by more than 50%

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:31 PM

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yes

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:31 PM

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rn you can see 8 cards when picking

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:31 PM

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but your total odds still less than 50%

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:31 PM

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do 13/8 and tell me your increased odds

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you get a 62.5% boost in luck

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that is absurd

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:32 PM

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1.625 isnt that huge when compared to its still <50%

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:32 PM

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it's a static multiplication of luck - it's still a 62.5% increase in your odds compared to your old ones

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:33 PM

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like the tarot cards that are in the game

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max change is 3 cards

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so its not that big a deal

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to increase by 60%

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:33 PM

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dude i dont think you understand how odds work

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:33 PM

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you dont understand how the game works

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just because you see 60% more cards doesnt mean you activate 60% more cards

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most of the time it changes nothing

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:34 PM

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1/100 chance of winning 50 bucks (free) or 10/100 chance of winning 50 bucks (must pay 2 dollars)

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do you not understand relative luck?

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your chance is still below 50%

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but its a 1000% increase in chances relative to the original odds

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:34 PM

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yes

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BUT

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in this case

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:35 PM

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"but" there is no case by case, it is too strong to mitigate 60% relative odds as a voucher/joker

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:35 PM

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its not 1.625x the amount of cards used

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bro dont realize the game

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:35 PM

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its 1.625x the cards you want to hunt for

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:35 PM

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yes

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:35 PM

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how dont you understand that

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:36 PM

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but then even if you hunt for it

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:36 PM

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????????? you are openly admitting you will get 60% more cards you look for

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:36 PM

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yes

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but there is still a high percentage you dont get the right tarot

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:36 PM

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so how is this balanced? chances make no sense to reference because 8/52 is not negligible

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:36 PM

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OR even if you do, its not like it changes the game

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:36 PM

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tarot cards by definition change the game

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do you even watch seeded runs

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:37 PM

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yes bro

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not stupid

narrow elk Oct 17, 2023, 10:37 PM

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Popcorn

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:37 PM

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you're trying to claim eliminating 60% relative chances is balanced

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it will never be balanced

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:37 PM

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it is though

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:37 PM

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especially when you wanted +10 for tarot cards

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which is a 125% boost in odds

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:38 PM

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I said that was op

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+5 is balanced though

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:38 PM

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no, it isn't

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never gamble bro

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you will lose

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you dont seem to understand the scope of how this works - tarot cards already break the game when you're lucky. so now you want to make it easier to make numbers skyrocket

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:39 PM

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you need to put in real game experiences

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:39 PM

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i am, you are not

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:39 PM

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and realize that that joker could be blueprint

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and that most tarot cards come from 8 ball and are played mid round

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:39 PM

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what do joker odds have to do with anything

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:40 PM

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bro

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your honing in on 1 thing

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:40 PM

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because that's the entire premise of your idea ?

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:40 PM

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think about stencil and losing 1 space in your 5 joker hand

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:40 PM

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stencil has nothing to do with +5 applicable deck cards in a tarot pack

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:41 PM

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bro

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you need to realize that if you have another joker looking for tarot cards you miss out on other sides of the game

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:41 PM

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you're trying to say "its balanced because there's a small chance it inconveniences you"

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do you understand relativity?

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the relative benefit of this card outweighs the downside of using it

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:42 PM

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"small chance" 💀

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:42 PM

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yeah u are a child

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:42 PM

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even if you dont pick it up

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:42 PM

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please do not try balancing things ever again until you do statistics and probability

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:42 PM

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dawn yacht yeah u are a child

my guy with the roblox avatar for his image

narrow elk Oct 17, 2023, 10:42 PM

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“This isn’t broken because you might have to replace a different op joker” wild, love it

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:43 PM

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it isnt broken either way

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:43 PM

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62.5% increased chance of getting a card you want to modify in a tarot pack sounds pretty op to me

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:43 PM

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since you get 60% more chance to find a card in your deck, thats handful when I dont get the tarot I want

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:43 PM

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especially because "most tarot cards" are actually played post round unless you can play 8 ball multiple times

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all you're doing is making post round tarot cards stronger

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:44 PM

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thats the point bro

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:44 PM

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never balance again

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you are trying to make op strategies even more op

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:44 PM

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LOL

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:45 PM

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genuine skill issue, learn to play tarot cards properly and you won't complain

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:45 PM

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sure sure pal

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sure sure

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:45 PM

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prisma cave LOL

"LOL" tell me how is the highest score in the beta achieved?

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it's definitely not just... 2 op jokers and a bunch of tarots

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:45 PM

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tarot cards

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so increasing odds by 1% is balanced for you

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:46 PM

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?????

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62.5% is nothing like 1%

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:46 PM

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you said +2

narrow elk Oct 17, 2023, 10:46 PM

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Popcorn

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:46 PM

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+2 is +25%

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do math

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:46 PM

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yes but there are other propabilitys

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:46 PM

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8-> 10 = 10/8 increased odds

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:46 PM

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like not even getting the right tarot cards or tarot card packs

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:46 PM

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????? it doesn't matter. relatively it's a 25% increase

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what does getting the wrong tarot have to do with the deck cards you can apply them to

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:47 PM

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the chance of getting the right tarot are less than half

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:47 PM

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stop trying to strawman the argument and keep it real

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:47 PM

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bro

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stop bouncing my ideas of with "your wrong"

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:48 PM

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regardless of getting +2 +5 or +100 cards to view, there is an equal chance of not getting the right tarot

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:48 PM

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get better at proving stuff

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:48 PM

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there is no relativity

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it's a static chance

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so what is your point?

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it's the same in every example. it's irrelevant

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:48 PM

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static chance is the game

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:48 PM

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ok, and you're trying to manipulate it

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so. tell me. how is this balanced?

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:48 PM

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exactly thats the whole point

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:48 PM

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...

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:48 PM

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to make more consistency

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:48 PM

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the whole point is you should never make a suggestion again

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:49 PM

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sure sure pal

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sure sure

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:49 PM

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"sure sure" how old are you

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do you even understand probabilities

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:49 PM

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sure sure pal

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sure sure person who plays roblox

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sure sure pal

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:49 PM

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Doesn’t answer

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:50 PM

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you didnt answer me earlier

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:50 PM

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You’ve tried reiterating the same point of “well umm this can go wrong” when it’s not part of the discussion

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:50 PM

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sure sure pal, sure sure

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sure sure

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 10:51 PM

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Yep that’s a wrap. Not arguing with narcissists who can’t admit their idea will change what fundamentally balances a game

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:51 PM

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yep, sure sure pal, sure sure

half agate Oct 17, 2023, 10:55 PM

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wtf happened here

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:56 PM

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bro argued with me over a 62.5% chance to see a card in your tarot cards is IMBALANCED

half agate Oct 17, 2023, 10:57 PM

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dawn yacht "sure sure" how old are you

also im not sure why you're trying to take the moral high ground here when your profile picture is roblox and your xbox name is "fried rat kid"

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:57 PM

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LOL

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about me
agry

half agate Oct 17, 2023, 10:59 PM

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im not sure if hand size affect how many cards you can see in tarot cards but being able to see 2 more is almost certainly not unbalanced

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even including spectrals, since no spectral effect is targetted

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 10:59 PM

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its weak imo

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I asked if he meant with or without spectrals

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I assumed without and told him that

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if with I told him its balanced then

half agate Oct 17, 2023, 11:02 PM

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the discussion here about this was a mess, it quickly devolved into nonsense

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not that im surprised, when people don't respect eachother its not very easy to

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it is the internet after all

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 11:03 PM

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true lol

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he wouldnt put himself in my shoes so I wouldnt put mine in his

half agate Oct 17, 2023, 11:06 PM

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the way you argued your point was by not listening to what he had to say at all

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 11:06 PM

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exactly

half agate Oct 17, 2023, 11:06 PM

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no like

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thats not a good thing

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 11:06 PM

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ik

half agate Oct 17, 2023, 11:06 PM

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thats not conducive to like intelligent and rational discussion

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 11:07 PM

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ik

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 11:07 PM

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prisma cave he wouldnt put himself in my shoes so I wouldnt put mine in his

I tried to compromise 3 and he didnt listen so I dug me heels in more

half agate Oct 17, 2023, 11:23 PM

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@dawn yacht are you here

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 11:42 PM

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Now I am

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Was writing a midterm

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It’s not taking the moral high ground, he genuinely doesn’t understand probabilities and why relatively, it is insanely unbalanced to boost your probabilities of getting a card you want by 62.5%

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 11:43 PM

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sure sure pal, sure sure

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 11:43 PM

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He kept trying to tell me about scenarios where it’s ineffective, but the discussion is about when it is effective

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In which a 60% probability boost is far too strong

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 11:44 PM

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so 30/70 compared to 20/80 from your 5 sided dice roll odds

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 11:45 PM

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It makes unfavourable outcomes less common and favourable ones more common. It’s strong.

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 11:45 PM

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not less common

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its 30/70

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still way more uncommon you get what you want

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 11:46 PM

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This is what I mean lol you don’t seem to understand that just because it’s still not common doesn’t mean it’s not an insane boost

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 11:46 PM

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just because its an insane boost

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doesnt mean its imbalanced

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 11:47 PM

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1% vs 5% odds of winning the lottery. Quite imbalanced

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 11:47 PM

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what does the lottery have to do with this

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 11:47 PM

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However here it’d be 1 to 1.6%

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We’re talking probabilities

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 11:47 PM

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also the lottery is millions of dollars

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 11:47 PM

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The lottery doesn’t have to be money. It’s a scenario. You’d rather have the 1.6% than the 1% any day

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 11:48 PM

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most of the time you get 1 more card turned black to help blackboard

dawn yacht Oct 17, 2023, 11:48 PM

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The strength of tarot cards is not to be undermined bro

scarlet jackal Oct 17, 2023, 11:48 PM

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Can you both please stop

prisma cave Oct 17, 2023, 11:48 PM

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ok

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I just like argueing

scarlet jackal Oct 17, 2023, 11:48 PM

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DM eachother if you really want

#Another joker I dont got a name for