💻・modding-dev

[brisk rose]

10,000,000 in the scheme of balatro is not much more than the ante 8 score to beat of 100,000

(Am I making any sense I'm kinda floatin off sudafed and lack of sleep from swimmer's ear)

[hasty mist]

like, my factorial scaling joker is literally an instant win, you can solo the entire game without even trying, but the lengthy process to even obtaining it isn't even possible to begin until you've beaten ante 8

[cerulean bane]

ive been playing too much ascendant stake i thought that was a reasonable amount for ante 8 for a bit

[brisk rose]

I mean even in my modpack it can happen

the thing is if you're offered enough jokers to only good good ones

even if the good ones aren't any better than the better ones of their rarity in base game

you end up a lot more powerful

which is why vanillia+ means something different to me than most people

I don't think ante 8 will ever be a challenge with 2,000 jokers in game

I think you gotta play the game different

I use sandbox sleeve and/or deck from sdm0's stuff almost always. They increase joker slots by 2, but also how many antes you need to beat to win

So I'll have 7 joker slots, but need to beat ante 10 to win

or even 9 and 12

Then it starts to actually make sense as a game

but I don't believe in imposing design, so the people who do play with my pack probably find very different games within

#1267720426109272135 requisite plug so y'all know what the fuck I'm on about

[native zinc]

the sheer amount of jokers probably makes for a very new experience

[hasty mist]

oh right i should probably make a forum post here for astronomica at some point

[native zinc]

i should probably update my post

oh i should make a Backup joker that deletes your save /j

[hasty mist]

i will once the next update comes out

[scarlet spire]

I mean, to me this is just about making sure to match the jokers that already exist in the base game in difficulty and abundance. if the sheer presence of lots of modded jokers means you get more powerful, it's because the mod isn't re-aligning the pool with some weaker jokers

it's less exciting to design weaker jokers, but I think it's pretty important for maintaining balance

[brisk rose]

because no one wants to make or play with weaksauc3e jokers tbh

[hasty mist]

i have a post in cryptid's server but it doesn't get a lot of activity

[brisk rose]

that sort of vanillia balance is unattainable and grankly not as deseirable as people make it out to be

[native zinc]

hey i make weak jokers...

[brisk rose]

maybe, but do you /really/ have any as weak as thunk's biggest stinkers?

[native zinc]

does the one that gives 3 bucks for discarding gold cards count

[hasty mist]

fucking superposition

[brisk rose]

no because that's actually good

lol

[hasty mist]

and matador

[tall wharf]

8 ball

[scarlet spire]

I don't think it's about being that weak, but just having some that are less powerful than average is already enough imo

[brisk rose]

if you don't retrigger spam

[scarlet spire]

you don't need to design useless jokers, obviously

[tall wharf]

oh sorry the flush rare xmult

[scarlet spire]

I'm just taking about not having all of your jokers be the peak output of that rarity

[brisk rose]

on held in hand no lese

[hasty mist]

i still believe that some jokers like chicot and perkeo would be considered extremely non-vanilla if they weren't in vanilla

[brisk rose]

i love dlushesand him is still pretty weak, yes

if you play a 5 card hand, held in hand effects kinda suck

so yes for me that's a synergy

[native zinc]

i think some of my jokers are definitely on the more situational side

but ig none of them are as trash as banner past ante 3

lmao

[brisk rose]

tes

but people clown on chicot

for some weird reason

[scarlet spire]

basically everything with a large community around vanilla+ mods run into something like this, because "what is vanilla" is thought of under the lens of "is this like existing content?" rather than "would the developer(s) add this?", mainly because the latter is nearly impossible to think in unless you are the aforementioned developers

[brisk rose]

like he's the worst legendary

like... and they really do mean weakest

i don't get it

[native zinc]

chicot is not the weakest legendary

i don't know what the worst legendary even is they're all ok

[brisk rose]

tbh for me personally, as much as this is very much not true with most playstyles, perkeo is

[plain apex]

people seem to think this one is useless

[native zinc]

canio is probably worse because you need to build around ot

[brisk rose]

because the way I play he's just iway too much to set up and takes up dead space

like perk is nice to have

[native zinc]

i feel like chicot you just pick it up on any build whatsoever

[brisk rose]

but nothing i don't sell if i need to

[hasty mist]

in my opinion:
perkeo
triboulet
chicot
yorick
canio

from fav to least fav

[tall wharf]

do people still code for old calc

[native zinc]

i only like canio because it sounds like my username

[plain apex]

i actually have that as a setting in my mod

[brisk rose]

I don't mind canio but he does need a lot of setup, but at least there's waus easi;u compatible with my playstyle

[brisk rose]

just make a buch of face cards and play and destroy the same cards

[tall wharf]

i think it's time to remove it

[scarlet spire]

I feel like perkeo is not the win button people make it out to be, it can be a huge help but does literally nothing on its own, if you have a perkeo and nothing else you're dying
perkeo only skyrockets into absurdity with other jokers and consumables that are also very rare to get, and at that point I think the overpowered-ness is warranted

[brisk rose]

good syngergy with trib too

[scarlet spire]

I think extremely rare setups are allowed to be overpowered for the novelty

[brisk rose]

I don't really do face card builds though

I prefer number cards because I got a lot of mod syngergy from them

with ortalab especially

[hasty mist]

my first ever e score was with perkeo and observatory and it was absolutely insane

[native zinc]

face card builds are kinda boring imo

[plain apex]

i mean i could but i've already set new calc to the default anyway and have the old calc there just not running if they aren't enabled?

[brisk rose]

but anti-face card stuff is common in mods well beyond ortalab

[tall wharf]

i mean might as well because you've got 1 less version to worry about

[hasty mist]

im glad i started modding after newcalc became the norm

[brisk rose]

see the funny thing is with so much content specific syngergies don't real

[tall wharf]

i personally don't see benefits to maintaining the old calc compatibility

[brisk rose]

observitory? I have well over 100 vouchers

so that's no gurentee

[hasty mist]

how different was coding with oldcalc anyways

[plain apex]

i mean its mostly the old stuff that has old calc support the new stuff either works on both or is only on new calc

[brisk rose]

you have to dui syngergies with how I have my game

oldcalc is irrelevent btw

don't do it

mods stuck on oldcalc need to be ported

not vice verse

[scarlet spire]

I do attempt to deal with stuff like that in my own ways
more boosters? just add a way to get more booster slots
more vouchers? add more ways to get vouchers

though for 100 vouchers, yeah that's a special case

[hasty mist]

like

[brisk rose]

lol, anyone who plays betmmas

[wintry solar]

For the vast majority it was just longer

[hasty mist]

how did things need to be done differently

[plain apex]

should i really delete the option when new stuff isn't really being ported to it to begin with?

[true glen]

whats wrong with this?

[wintry solar]

You had to return specific keys at different timings, you had to specify messages and cards to put messages on

[brisk rose]

wym? it's only old mods that are abandoned not ported

[wintry solar]

Not all areas received the same stuff

[plain apex]

no like on my mod

[wintry solar]

Some object types had different calculation methods too

[plain apex]

when i make new stuff it doesn't get ported to the old calc setting

[tall wharf]

steamodded gender equality update

[plain apex]

it either works on both or is left in the newcalc

[brisk rose]

I mean if you wanna support oldcalc more power to ya

I'm a linux user, i always stan legacy support

[tall wharf]

also i think ortalab check can be done automatically

[plain apex]

like all the oldcalc setting actually does is for stuff that is supported on oldcalc switch its code out for the oldcalc version and vice versa for the newcalc setting

[brisk rose]

I just wish the mods stuck on pldcalc which I can't trust to do their thing anymore were ported

[true glen]

ok nvm i fixed this missing coma

[brisk rose]

there's dozens of mods in my old modpack that some people play with, but I just can't feel right moving them to my new one as is

because oldcalc mods don't usually crash on newcalc

they just don't do the math right or have weird behavior

[hasty mist]

are there any examples?

[plain apex]

like at this point i would say you should defintely play on newcalc which is why its the default but if you are one of those people who for some reason are still in oldcalc the setting is there

[brisk rose]

someone was on the oldcalc version of morefluff and it made the mouse influence the score or smth for some reason

[hasty mist]

that's weird

[plain apex]

lmao

[tall wharf]

which is like nobody anymore

[plain apex]

true

[cerulean bane]

sorry if i sound stupid but what exactly are newcalc and oldcalc

[hasty mist]

i don't quite fully understand either tbh, only the general idea

[plain apex]

steamodded varations old calc was before a massive change to calculation that breaks some stuff aka new calc

[tall wharf]

basically before the new calc everything was inconsistent

[hasty mist]

what reason would anyone even have for staying on oldcalc anyways

[tall wharf]

you have to manually do everything

lol

[cerulean bane]

oh its just smods revisional differences? ok

[native zinc]

ye smods

[tall wharf]

it's a complete rewrite to the calculation

[plain apex]

yeah and if you are using really old mods they may not work right or just not work at all because of this revision

[true glen]

whats wrong with this? i thought getting rid of the string for the text in the description would fix it but it didnt change it

[tall wharf]

key should be string

[true glen]

OH

[tall wharf]

an d uppercase J in Joker

[tall wharf]

there aren't many old mods anymore

[brisk rose]

bullshit

[tall wharf]

most of them are either Balamod mod or the creator just gave up and you should be looking for updated fork

[tall wharf]

if people are interested

[brisk rose]

I mean... sure, but those updated forks were all by elbe

[hasty mist]

balamod?

[brisk rose]

and he dropped out months ago

not completely

just life stuff

https://github.com/GayCoonie/Coonies-Mod-Pack/tree/main/Mods

just look at all the mods here that aren't in my new pack

[plain apex]

i dont really plan on giving up on my mod but i do know i'll probably be alot less active if active at all for july because of Artfight

[brisk rose]

I'n still very interested

[cursive sentinel]

quick question, where can i change the scale of card loads within the smods.joker structure? (self.T.h = Hscale0.7scale
self.T.w = Wscale0.7scale for wee joker for example)

[sage crater]

I definitely agree with chicot
I feel like if three of the five legendaries weren’t all xmult based on cards in some way, I think perkeo would fit in a lot better. But since you have xmult on face cards destroyed, xmult on discards, and xmult on played kings, it all feels samey samey and the outliers are a slightly better luchador, and a genuinely fun mechanic that’s a bit strong based on your setup

[brisk rose]

https://github.com/GayCoonie/Coonies-Mod-Pack-Neo/tree/main/Mods

[sage crater]

also yes, I definitely should be asleep

[brisk rose]

my new pack for comparison

[hasty mist]

yeah, i wish there were more legendaries with more unique effects

[sage crater]

Loki in my mod pack incoming lol

[plain apex]

any of y'all here do artfight? i try to beat my record there every year drew 222 people last year

[brisk rose]

tbere's a lot of new faces, but the returners are sadly sparse tbh

[brisk rose]

mika's is probably the biggest loss

[scarlet spire]

I'm really trying to keep the legendaries unique in my mod

[brisk rose]

that one is super OG and full of jokers

[sage crater]

I think it’d be cool if legendaries were all very experimental. Like no other card has the same mechanic they do (ie, perkeo).
We have enough cards that give +chips, +mult, and xmult; give us something else! Lol

[tall wharf]

same

[hasty mist]

i think it'd be cool if vanilla had a legendary that was the only source of exponentiation in the game, even if it was extremely limited and small

[scarlet spire]

to the point that they were the first jokers I ever implemented in the mod, and yet I also only have 2 out of their 5 mechanics actually figured out

[sage crater]

Well well well

[scarlet spire]

compelling legendaries are hard to think of

[tall wharf]

i think otherwise

[plain apex]

is this a good legendary?

[hasty mist]

i also don't really like legendaries in mods that just complete ignore the design scheme (looking at you, nostalgic invisible joker)

[brisk rose]

I get to that gamestate regularly without it

when I'm actually doing runs

[sage crater]

@hasty mist good legendary?

[brisk rose]

but I don't mind it as a 1-hit punch

[hasty mist]

venturing outside the strict famous jesters only is fine, but nostalgic invisible joker just straight up doesn't even make sense as a legendary

[brisk rose]

it's uniquw

[sage crater]

Personally I’d rather legendaries not be direct stat increases

[hasty mist]

mhm

[scarlet spire]

I see what you're going for, and for something like this it's probably fine, but on the scale of a balatro joker design, It's disparate

[sage crater]

Hell yeah

[native zinc]

ahead when

[scarlet spire]

jokers in balatro tend to effect one thing, or have a specific link between two things

[brisk rose]

legenday being a themed class is much too limiting

i'm glad it's largely discarded in mods

[tall wharf]

here

I'm trying to add more but i got no ideas right now lmao

[hasty mist]

this right here is one of my favorite modded legendaries

i love it

[scarlet spire]

I like working within the bounds of the legendary designs

[hasty mist]

i cant wait for astronomica to have enough content to warrant it's own effect

[woeful epoch]

Trance

Gradually shifts colours :)
-# (broken 💯)

[tall wharf]

😭😭😭

[hasty mist]

also i was playing with freedom deck earlier

i am genuinely impressed at how stable it is

like

balatro mobile in betmma is the buggiest thing ever

but freedom deck is virtually seamless

not a single crash

[brisk rose]

that's valid too

if nothing goes together, everything does

it's how I pull cohesion out of chaos

[plain apex]

never really sure how to do anything with legendaries tbh like they are supposed to be good but at the same time you dont want them to be too good or too similar to the already existing ones

[tall wharf]

the trick is to add suits and ranks for jokers and consumables so that they can actually score properly

[brisk rose]

econ legendaries are still an under explored niche

[hasty mist]

I see

[scarlet spire]

it's not actually that restricting if you know what you're doing, nevernamed's hundreds of legendary designs come to mind

[tall wharf]

otherwise it crashes upon scoring one of them

[brisk rose]

yeah that might weight my legendaries enough to make the unthemes ones stand out

oh well

[hasty mist]

agreed, wario is kinda boring to me and that's the only econ legendary i can think of

[tall wharf]

-# is my self insert legendary too op ;-;

-# okay yeah maybe

[scarlet spire]

I had a legendary mechanic that allowed vouchers to show up in the main shop, even if you've already redeemed them, but it's not actually that engaging so I scrapped it

[brisk rose]

the thing is with how vouvhers work that like... you'd have to code them indivudually to get the to do something twice

so it'd end up parasitic

not interacting agnositically with mod content

[scarlet spire]

99% of the vouchers in game already support stacking... even observatory, which surprised me

[hasty mist]

hm? I don't think you need to do anything with them

[scarlet spire]

if you claim two observatories, planet cards trigger twice

[hasty mist]

stacking them works perfectly fine with equilibrium deck

[sage crater]

Got a link?

[daring fern]

It's because SMODS takes ownership of observatory to use context.other_consumeable instead of just calculating for each planet.

[brisk rose]

I mean... maybe they got refactered to be that way, I know there used to be a mod called looper

that had to individually support them

[scarlet spire]

the only ones that don't work are the planet/tarot merchant/tycoon vouchers, shop price reduction vouchers, and I thiiink that's about it?

[hasty mist]

I have that installed

[tall wharf]

i love freedom deck

[brisk rose]

I think you lost my coda there

this isn't about the vanillia vouchers

[hasty mist]

freedom deck is so fun

[brisk rose]

it's about the open class of vocuchers

[hasty mist]

I wish the mod worked on 1.0.1n though

[sage crater]

Oh my god
That’s absolutely insane

[tall wharf]

I'm sorry everyone for not going with America flag

[brisk rose]

I strongly dislike mechanics that aren't able to be generalized to modded content agnostically

[woeful epoch]

whats the mod that shows the stats below jokers

[tall wharf]

joker display

[woeful epoch]

i possess a particularly empty brain

[true glen]

why is the text for the name here on both of these showing up in the box at the very bottom meant for the rarity? Baloney Truck doesn't have a name shown at the top at all which confuses the hell out of me cause the way these two are coded is almost identical i don't see why one would run into this problem and the other wouldn't

[brisk rose]

a mechanic, imo, can be parasitic in 2 ways, it eats its own ass, or it eats vanillias ass. Both of thse things are fine in isolation, but I haven't, don't, and will never play mods that way, so for practicial purposes mods that revolve around such things really can't exist to me

[daring fern]

It's loc_txt not loc_text

[true glen]

oh goodness

i need to go to bed

ty

[brisk rose]

it's not nessacarily bad design, but it is pideonholing design

it means your mod will never thrive with others of its kind

[scarlet spire]

can you explain what you mean by parasitic

[brisk rose]

like... take for instance a mod having a joker that relied on another joker from the same mod to reach its full potential

[cursive sentinel]

is there smth such as a "seal_gate"? like joker's out of the pool until you'd have at least a seal in your deck?

[brisk rose]

not like in a themtic sense, but in that it's designed that way

[true glen]

yayyy

[brisk rose]

coded that way

[true glen]

now all i need to do is find out how to actually use custom textures

[brisk rose]

Or, in the same way a mod relying on a specific vanillia joker would be just as bad

[scarlet spire]

so, the concept of exodia jokers but broadened to be about any mechanic in general?

[icy oak]

is there a function that changes card rank like change_suit()

[brisk rose]

probably, i'm not familiar

[sage crater]

Isn’t like 90% of cryptid based on/named after that one pair joker?

[scarlet spire]

exodia jokers are basically just jokers that rely on other jokers for their effects, i.e. you need to "assemble" them to get use out of them, which is against balatro's design principles

[brisk rose]

there are other minifestations too, like mods that add a new mechanic that can only really interact with content from the same mod

[brisk rose]

yes that

[regal ether]

well yes but you see that was part of A Bit™️ and not meant to be good

[brisk rose]

an example of this would be the energy system from pokermon

[tall wharf]

my letter thing probably falls into this too

doesn't it

[sage crater]

I’m currently creating an exodia of sorts with three “brother” cards where two increase in power if you have the other two, and one just makes all three negative lol

[sage crater]

Very true

[brisk rose]

I also extend this to when they account for vanillia manually but are otherwise parasitic

[scarlet spire]

I mean, plenty of mods are designed as standalone experiences and there's nothing wrong with that, if mods want compat with bespoke systems in other mods, they're free to add that themselves, or communicate to have it added through other means

I think parasitic is a bit of a harsh term to use in this case

[brisk rose]

I was very clear that it wasn't inherently bad design

just a taste and playstyle thing

[tall wharf]

i have this

[brisk rose]

and it makes the mods irrelevent to me personally

[tall wharf]

which is parasitic by your definition

[regal ether]

the ultimate two-piece exodia

[brisk rose]

suits can be fairly parasitic if they don't have a lot of suppor, that's fair

[shell timber]

"parasitic" referring to mechanics stems from magic the gathering design, where it's generally used to refer to mechanics that require a large volume of cards to work well

[brisk rose]

it's why when I'm gonna do my suit mod it's gonna come with literally half a dozen jokers per suit, to make them feel right in the pool

[scarlet spire]

ahh

[brisk rose]

yeah it might be a misnomer for how I and some others use it

[tall wharf]

me when everything got confusing

[scarlet spire]

I just make all my multi-suit-based jokers work off the smods suit list, so they're directly compatible with newly added suits

[brisk rose]

yeah that's the right way to do it

but if you're adding a suit itself, it needs support

[tall wharf]

I'm adding Joker suit

[brisk rose]

and probablky more than just the 2 jokers per suit vanillia does

[tall wharf]

and Consumable suit

[shell timber]

parasitic mechanics (in mtg) generally work well in "draft" environments (limited cardpool) since the designer can control the exact percentage of cards that use the mechanic, but tend to not do as well in "constructed" environments which have a much larger cardpool

[brisk rose]

the reason being no other mod is likely to ever provide support for another mod's suit

like it happens, but rarely

[regal ether]

are you adding joker STAKE though?

[brisk rose]

so for my personal design philosophy

[tall wharf]

boring

[brisk rose]

once again this is opinion

it needs to be accounted for

[true glen]

for a game that opens and closes instantly using alt F5 to reset weirdly takes a while

[tall wharf]

america

[brisk rose]

just crash it by closing the lovely console window

closes rq then

:P

[hearty mesa]

bump

[true glen]

what in the name of god

[tall wharf]

What's the limit

[true glen]

wdym

[tall wharf]

what should be the limit

[sage crater]

Do those cards get permanently added to your deck too??

[tall wharf]

yup

[true glen]

no limit its the freedom deck a free bird isnt a caged bird

[sage crater]

That’s so cool holy shit

[true glen]

also its very very funny

[viral tulip]

what is the proportions of x2 deck ?x?

[sage crater]

🎵 🦅 🎸

[tall wharf]

?

[viral tulip]

like is it 71x90 or something else

[sage crater]

71x95 is the x1 asset. Multiply those two by 2

[viral tulip]

ty

[true glen]

im gonna need to spend an entire extra night just learning how to add descriptions

good lird

[sage crater]

Wait, sorry. If you meant the full deck of cards, the dimensions for 1x are 923x380

[brisk rose]

lirdy, lirdy, oh dear sweet lird

[hearty mesa]

bump the bump

[viral tulip]

no just 1 deck like here

[sage crater]

Ah yeah, ok. That would be 71x95 with both numbers multiplied by 2

[hearty mesa]

how doth one add text to thine screen?

[viral tulip]

how to disable this

[hearty mesa]

actually put something in the log message?

[brisk rose]

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki/UI-Guide

good fuckin luck

[hearty mesa]

i've looked at that for a while, i know how to create text but not how to add it to the screen

[brisk rose]

That's the ui box section I think

with the function to make it go

you jsut need to figre out what parent to return to get you on the scren during normal gameplay

I think

[hearty mesa]

fun

[tall wharf]

ui is always fun to work on

source: Aikoyori

[hearty mesa]

tell me about it

[tall wharf]

I'm not gonna because the fun is for you to figure it out

[hearty mesa]

..that's not what i meant

[brisk rose]

sure that doesn't lead to janky nonsense, lol

because the smods wiki says the same samn thing

damn

[tall wharf]

the trick is to nest C and R and C and R in alternating fashion

that's all there is

[brisk rose]

he needs one line of text with a trandparent background

the grid seems irrelevent

[tall wharf]

oh

you'll need to put text in one of those

and have some padding

put colour in the thing

if you want text on screen you'll have to have the UI Box be Game Variable and hook when you need to display it

[brisk rose]

the biggest issue is the fact it needs to display in game not in a menu

which i think you just addressed

[hearty mesa]

holy moly that was easier than i expected lol

[brisk rose]

wait.... you understood that?

[hearty mesa]

no

fuck around and find out

[brisk rose]

best method, lol

[native zinc]

the scientific method

[broken shadow]

Why is that actually correct

[hearty mesa]

although it is half obscured by the run info

[brisk rose]

because humanity just be like this

[brisk rose]

padding or something

i presume

[broken shadow]

People say humanity is a miracle and yet we aren't even the smartest creatures on our planet

[brisk rose]

I mean I think measuing interllegence across one species is enough of a crapshoot

let alone a whole planet

[broken shadow]

We have enough Karen's to say that for sure

[hearty mesa]

whoa this is getting philosophical guys slow down

[native zinc]

well tbf science has only one goal and it's to be correct

[broken shadow]

It's to be questioned

[broken shadow]

But balatro is philosophical

[native zinc]

the only measure science has is the truthfulness of the answer

[brisk rose]

In an ideal world, sure, but I think there's a lot of philophical baggage that can seep in anc cloud interpretation

[native zinc]

science fraud is so dumb because people just replicate and see you're full of shit or something

[brisk rose]

I mean, fraud, yeah, but I mean systematic and often completely unconscious biases that can lead the consensious asway for some time, and the more foundational the belief is, the less concious it is, and the longer it sticks around

[brisk rose]

I might need to sleep, apperently I made up the contruction "lead asway" I have no idea what I actually meant

like I know what it means, but idk the words that my brain was trying to make

astray

I truly am an idiot

[broken shadow]

And that's why psychology is a busted option to learn

[true glen]

What time even is it for you to be up this late

[brisk rose]

it's like my internal monologue temporarily developed a speech impediment that I went on to transcribe

[broken shadow]

Real

[brisk rose]

it's 2:44 am, the issue is I've been awake for about 36 hours

lmfao

[true glen]

Oh my God

[broken shadow]

Sleep man sleep

[brisk rose]

I... am kinda used to this

[broken shadow]

I've gotten to 72 hours without sleep due to balala

[brisk rose]

and the ecedrin and sudafed I am taking for my swimmer's ear aren't exactly sleepy meds

ecedrin because I can't take ibuprofen like a normal person because I take lithium and it could kill me

[broken shadow]

God you are beyond cooked

I'm also taking meds that will kill me if I take ibuprofen :3

[brisk rose]

my earache isn't too bad though? so that's a plus

I actually feel restful not high strung from the pain

[broken shadow]

YIPPEEE

[brisk rose]

I did go to the doctor and get antibiotic eardrops today

[crisp coral]

@manic rune

[manic rune]

flooding the screen with uis is my thing!!

im suing you

[hushed field]

bepuis

[pale venture]

Quick question, if i were to apply a custom soul layer to a playing card, is there a way to display it in the deck ui? Cause it doesn't seem to do so automatically

[icy oak]

whats the color for the (Can't be sold or destroyed) line?

[red flower]

inactive

[icy oak]

hmm

oh that works

[hushed arrow]

where/which file are the default hands/discards/money defined?

[flat sorrel]

G.GAME.starting_params, get_starting_params() is defined in misc_functions

[hushed arrow]

Aight thanks

[burnt cairn]

how do you go about modifying enhancements?

id have to override the basegame code, wouldnt i? i dunno if i can do that through a joker

[red flower]

you would have to take_ownership probably

[eager pendant]

Guys, what's the problem?

[midnight coyote]

is this correct?

[reef belfry]

how would you go about doing this the RIGHT way (changing C: to a color in the calculate function)

[manic rune]

you will probably want to use V: instead

[midnight coyote]

hey @red flower So i tried to make G.ASSET_ATLAS["astropulvis_diffatlas"] like you said to do, and when i try to use the atlas to render the sprite, it crashes stating that atlas is a nil value.

[reef belfry]

so THATS what V: is for

[midnight coyote]

let me get the crash log

[onyx imp]

バラトロ

Japanese balatro

Spells balatoro

[midnight coyote]

w is nil

what is w?

let me investigate

width?

[onyx imp]

What is death

[midnight coyote]

no

thats not it

is it?

OH IT IS

[onyx imp]

W

[midnight coyote]

IM SUCH AN IDIOT

SORRY FOR THE PING

[onyx imp]

You figured it out

W

[eager pendant]

Guys, what's the problem?

[midnight coyote]

alrighty

well, new problem

new_sprite_atlas is nil

meaning that something is going wrong from the atlas’s creation to it being rendered

[red flower]

did you try printing G.ASSET_ATLAS[...] to see if it has something

[midnight coyote]

i’m gonna eval that in ugh

debug plus

[red flower]

dont be mean to debugplus

[midnight coyote]

it was meant to be an uhh

not an ugh

big difference

[red flower]

I think you need it in misc.dictionary too

[midnight coyote]

yeah the table renders

[red flower]

yeah that looks fine idk then

[midnight coyote]

let me try directly calling it

instead of using a variable

oh thats a bit large

works though

lmao

at least it was a funny bug and not a sad one

[burnt cairn]

which file are enhancements defined in? cause unless im just ctrl-f'ing the wrong terms it doesnt seem to be in card.lua

[eager pendant]

It's not working

[red flower]

no idea then sorry

[cursive sentinel]

i'm trying to overwrite cards destruction to prevent it if a joker is possessed, although this just stops the game functionning (not crashing, i can still go to menu)

function Card:start_dissolve()
    print(self.base.suit)
    if next(SMODS.find_card('j_sdr1_stamp')) then
        return false
    end
    return true
end

[manic rune]

thats not how you hook

what you are doing is replacing the entire code of Card:start_dissolve() with that

https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/129557-tutorial-function-hooking-and-you/

[cursive sentinel]

but i dont find the original Card.start_dissolve in base code

[manic rune]

here, this should help

[cursive sentinel]

i dont know what there is in it

i found smth similar in state_event

but it's not rly it

[manic rune]

its in card.lua, search function Card:start_dissolve in there

[cursive sentinel]

i forgot to uncheck "whole word" and wrote start_dissolve....

i wanna die

[hushed arrow]

is it possible to change it? like using take_ownership or something

[flat sorrel]

you can always just do a lovely patch

[burnt cairn]

yeah i have no idea

[spiral nacelle]

my game keeps crashing when i load up a deck with the cryptid mod what do i do to fix it???

[scarlet thorn]

Game.lua

P_centers table

[burnt cairn]

theres game.lua which seems to just be an atlas but i cant find any defining information

[scarlet thorn]

Search self.P_CENTERS =

[burnt cairn]

🫡

[scarlet thorn]

This could mean literally anything. Show crash log in #⚙・modding-general

[flat sorrel]

patching start_dissolve will not work smoothly, because the game calls that and then does other stuff assuming those cards are destroyed, like joker eval. It also ignores glass shattering which uses a different method. I'm not sure that's there any neat way to do it short of patching every single case, it's a lot easier to just let it be destroyed then create a copy

[spiral nacelle]

🫡

[cursive sentinel]

yeah i know, saw the shatter right next to dissolve

[scarlet thorn]

Pat h card:remove

[cursive sentinel]

tried going with this, but it doesnt prevent destruction, although doesnt crash and accurately hooks the destruction info

local dissolved = Card.start_dissolve
function Card:start_dissolve()
    dis = dissolved(self)
    if next(SMODS.find_card('j_sdr1_stamp')) then
        print(self.base.suit)
        return false
    end
    return dis
end

[flat sorrel]

again, patching card.remove will not work smoothly because the game will call that function, do nothing from your patch, and then go on to do other stuff assuming the card is in fact destroyed

[scarlet thorn]

Cause your still running disolve

Move it into the else function

[cursive sentinel]

else
return dis
end?

[scarlet thorn]

Dont run dissolve everytime the function is called

Move it into the else

[scarlet thorn]

On mobile so take what I say with salt, but anything that happens with jokers will check g.jokers, so if dissolve doesn't remove the joker from that, then it will work fine

[cursive sentinel]

local dissolved = Card.start_dissolve
function Card:start_dissolve()
    if next(SMODS.find_card('j_sdr1_stamp')) then
        print(self.base.suit)
        return false
    else
        local dis = dissolved(self)
        return dis
    end
end

in there?

[scarlet thorn]

Yea but local so it's not a global

[cursive sentinel]

which means?

i'm sorry im really a nooblard

[red flower]

local dis

[cursive sentinel]

oh yeah

[flat sorrel]

discard_cards_from_highlighted collects all the to-be-dissolved cards in a table destroyed_cards, then calls dissolve on each of them, then calls eval_card with context.removed = destroyed_cards. Any Joker that does something when a card is destroyed is going to see your not-destroyed card in that array and think it is destroyed

[burnt cairn]

this table has the variables but not the code that uses the variables

[scarlet thorn]

Card.lua would have it

[burnt cairn]

actually would that code be-

yeah

[scarlet thorn]

Which one are you looking for

[burnt cairn]

the glass card

which i think ive found already

i just didnt know what to do with it

[red flower]

i think glass is overwritten by smods

[cursive sentinel]

ok now the game stop working (not crashing) when i have my joker, i'd guess the return false is bad, but i'm not sure what args to give it to stop the dissolve w/o stopping the game

[scarlet thorn]

Which file is the discard_card... in

[burnt cairn]

...

[flat sorrel]

state_events, but I believe there are many such cases. I looked into this myself, decided it was less pain to just rework "when destroyed, save card" into "when destroyed, create a copy"

[cursive sentinel]

also it procs on jokers destruction too :/

[burnt cairn]

what does this mean then if im trying to modify the properties of glass cards

[scarlet thorn]

Hex card only ever calls start_dissolve

[cursive sentinel]

the create a copy changes a lot to how a player will react to the joker

ideally i'd prefer going with a prevents destruction, but im struggling

[scarlet thorn]

Same with ankh

[flat sorrel]

it's more that there's no single cancellable funnel through which all card destroy events must go, so there's no safe 100% reliable way to patch them all e.g. if a mod is doing things with destroying cards

[cursive sentinel]

isn't there a mod somewhere that succeeded to prevent card destruction without using eternal tags?

cuz eternal tags prevent using hanged man too for example, bothering

[red flower]

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/blob/cabea0555c60f7ea13a088899bf1fdc4833cdd20/src/game_object.lua#L3032

[scarlet thorn]

Smth in Jens has that

Psure

[cursive sentinel]

jens?

jen's almanac?

[scarlet thorn]

Patching card:remove should 100% work, but the visuals of the destroy would work

[scarlet thorn]

Yea

[cursive sentinel]

ok saw, diploplia, looking on how it's done

[reef belfry]

can you do something like this with V:n?

[burnt cairn]

if i did take_ownership('glass') would that override this?

[red flower]

wdym

[burnt cairn]

is that even what id want to do

[red flower]

idk what your goal is

[reef belfry]

with {V:1} you can like return a color in loc_vars right

[red flower]

yes

[vocal cedar]

for a deck, whhow would i pchange the blind size?

like 10X Base Blind Size something like that?

[reef belfry]

could you return a string that changes the text itself i.e +chips into +mult accordingly

with the same logic as V:n

[red flower]

that would just be the normal #1# stuff

[reef belfry]

yeah but that just returns the value

idk the fancy stuff on how you actually add the words n special characters into the variable

i probably shouldda started with that first

[burnt cairn]

im trying to change the chance of glass cards breaking. im assuming the extra in the config = {Xmult = 2, extra = 4} in game.lua refers to the 1 in 4 chance but its the 1 i wanna change rather than the 4

[red flower]

{V:1}#1#

return { vars = { condition and "+10 Chips" or "+5 Mult", colours = { condition and G.C.CHIPS or G.C.MULT } } }

that would color the whole text but you get the idea

[red flower]

what's the difference
the 1 is global for all cards because it's affected by Oops and similar things

[thorn pumice]

can someone help me figure out how to potray this joker better lol i'm struggling with the background, or like give me feedback?

[midnight coyote]

how do i make something like G._ but for my mod specifically

i wanna put like, my risk table into smtn like ‘AP.G.RISK_TABLE’

Astropulvis.Globals.Risk_Table

[red flower]

just do Astropulvis = {} at the beginning of your file

[midnight coyote]

alright

and then i can define stuff as I go?

[red flower]

keep in mind it won't get saved between restarts

[midnight coyote]

makes sense

i just wanna make it cleaner

[red flower]

yes a lot of mods do this to keep all their stuff in a global

[burnt cairn]

the major difference is id like to change the 1 to 0 i could make the 4 like arbitrarily large but that seems like a hodgepodge solution

[midnight coyote]

alr

i’ll put like AP = {} at the start of main.lua

would that be smart?

[red flower]

oh then you need to take ownership of it and prevent the destruction altogether

and probably modify loc_vars too

[red flower]

yes but if you make the name too generic it can conflict with other mods

[midnight coyote]

i’ll make it like ASPL

[burnt cairn]

me when i vaguepost about what im trying to do so i can figure it out myself and i end up just slowly dripfeeding modding dev the entire goal

[midnight coyote]

let me make sure that isn’t a horrible acronym

[reef belfry]

uegh?

[midnight coyote]

okay it’s just the ‘American Society for Pharmacy Law’

that’s fine

[red flower]

idk what this is

[burnt cairn]

so id take ownership of the code snippet from vanilla card.lua and not whatever the SMODS version does?

[red flower]

if you need help dont do that
https://xyproblem.info/

[red flower]

no the smods version is the one that overrides the destruction so copy that

[burnt cairn]

🦭 true my bad

[reef belfry]

in this #1# refers to +10 Chips right

or +5 mult

[red flower]

both

it changes on condition

[reef belfry]

yeah ik

[runic pecan]

How do I pin everyone who follows my mod post? (optional)

[tall wharf]

how

[sage crater]

unless you're a mod, you can't pin anything in any channel

[tall wharf]

do you like wasting time lmao

[burnt cairn]

i was operating that way with the goal of learning on my own and only asking about the specific part i was having trouble with

but answers lead to more questions and ive learned the error of my ways

[red flower]

the problem is that this is such a niche topic that the only two ways to learn are asking here or learning to read other people's code (including thunk's)

as someone who learned the second way i dont recommend it

[burnt cairn]

yeah ive got 4 custom jokers worth of familiarity with lua and most of the code is still incomprehensible

[sage crater]

does a 1.0.0~BETA-0410b steammodded version exist? All I can find in the releases is the version I have currently

[red flower]

download from the gree code button

or this

[sage crater]

ah, ok. thanks!

[burnt cairn]

what does doing this look like? the code im copying doesnt seem to have a key i can reference like just 'glass'

[red flower]

wdym

[burnt cairn]

my understanding is the 'glass' in the first line is aking ownership of the glass cards code in card.lua

if im copying this bit of code wouldnt i need a string id referencing it

[red flower]

no you would also take ownership of glass too

what i meant is that you need to copy that code for them to work properly

and then do whatever specific effect you want

[burnt cairn]

so id just copypaste this function and edit out the shatter check?

actually no the shatter check is the entire function

[red flower]

if you want them to never work yes
but if you want them to work normally then you need to do a check for your condition
for example if your joker makes glass not break then you would add not next(SMODS.find_card("key")) to the if

[reef belfry]

it basically makes a value and places it on the last one, then the value moves left, i just dont have a clue how to actually return the value in text with all the "+N chips"

[burnt cairn]

so the function is meant to universally replace glass behaviour then?
so i wouldnt want to paste and edit it into the jokers code

[red flower]

can i see the code

[red flower]

exactly

[burnt cairn]

hm

[reef belfry]

SMODS.Joker{
    key = 'incomingbattlecats',
    atlas = 'Jokers2',
    rarity = 2, 
    cost = 5, 
    unlocked = true, 
    discovered = true, 
    blueprint_compat = false, 
    eternal_compat = false,
    perishable_compat = true,
    pos = {x = 5, y = 2},
    config = {extra = {effect1 = "none", effect2 = "none", effect3 = "none", effect1r = 0, effect2r = 0, effect3r = 0,}},
    loc_vars = function(self, info_queue, card)
        if card.ability.extra.effect1 == "none" then
            c1 = G.ARGS.LOC_COLOURS.inactive
            goto c2check
        elseif card.ability.extra.effect1 == "money" then
            c1 = G.C.GOLD
            goto c2check
        elseif card.ability.extra.effect1 == "chips" then
            c1 = G.C.BLUE
            goto c2check
        elseif card.ability.extra.effect1 == "mult" then
            c1 = G.C.RED
            goto c2check
        end
        ::c2check::
        if card.ability.extra.effect2 == "none" then
            c2 = G.ARGS.LOC_COLOURS.inactive
            goto c3check
        elseif card.ability.extra.effect2 == "money" then
            c2 = G.C.GOLD
            goto c3check
        elseif card.ability.extra.effect2 == "chips" then
            c2 = G.C.BLUE
            goto c3check
        elseif card.ability.extra.effect2 == "mult" then
            c2 = G.C.RED
            goto c3check
        end
        ::c3check::
        if card.ability.extra.effect3 == "none" then
            c3 = G.ARGS.LOC_COLOURS.inactive
        elseif card.ability.extra.effect3 == "money" then
            c3 = G.C.GOLD
        elseif card.ability.extra.effect3 == "chips" then
            c3 = G.C.BLUE
        elseif card.ability.extra.effect3 == "mult" then
            c3 = G.C.RED
        end
        return {vars = {
        colours = { 
            c1,
            c2,
            c3
        },
        card.ability.extra.effect1, card.ability.extra.effect2, card.ability.extra.effect3,
        card.ability.extra.effect1r, card.ability.extra.effect2r, card.ability.extra.effect3r}}
    end,
    calculate = function(self, card, context)
        bctable = {
            "chips",
            "money",
            "mult",
            "none"
        }
        if context.setting_blind then
            card.ability.extra.effect3 = card.ability.extra.effect2
            card.ability.extra.effect3r = card.ability.extra.effect2r
            card.ability.extra.effect2 = card.ability.extra.effect1
            card.ability.extra.effect2r = card.ability.extra.effect1r
            card.ability.extra.effect1 = pseudorandom_element(bctable, pseudoseed('incomingbattlecats'))
            print(card.ability.extra.effect1)
            if card.ability.extra.effect1 == "chips" then
                print("cve1")
                card.ability.extra.effect1r = math.random(1, 350)
            elseif card.ability.extra.effect1 == "mult" then
                print("muve1")
                card.ability.extra.effect1r = math.random(1, 50)
            elseif card.ability.extra.effect1 == "money" then
                print("move1")
                card.ability.extra.effect1r = math.random(1, 25)
            end
        end
    end
}

[red flower]

i will check the code in a bit because I'm on my phone but you should return colours last

i think

[proud moon]

in the smods in-game mod list how do i get my mod to show up on page 1? i dont know what its sorting the mods by

[burnt cairn]

then im just back to square one arent i? all im doing is moving a function from SMODS to my own mod

[floral flicker]

Hello, I am new to balatro modding, and lua. I have checked some tuto and read through many mod Source Code. And I don't know why m'y joker dosen't work. If any body could help me, it would be really cool.

[red flower]

having a config > priority > alphabetically iirc

[vocal cedar]

fellas i gotta say im never coding a deck on adderall again

ante 8 boss is a solid fucking 20 billion

easily doable if you fix your deck tho

this is a WHOLE NEW GAME BRO

goes from "what jokers can get me flat mult"

to "I NEED X MULT, TAROTS AND PLANETS NOW."

• chip and +mult jokers are entirely useless lmfao

[red flower]

but you need to add the extra logic for your mod

[proud moon]

thank you :>

[proud moon]

lol "Full Dick"

[vocal cedar]

texture pack lol

[red flower]

can i see the description text in the loc file

[proud moon]

whats the code?

[floral flicker]

SMODS.Joker{
key = "j_jpp_debtcollector",
loc_txt = {
name = "Debt Collector",
text = {
"Gives you {C:white, X:mult}X3{} Mult",
"for each {C:money}-1${} you have in bank."
}
},
atlas = "Jokers",
cost = 4,
rarity = 2,
unlocked = true,
discovered = true,
blueprint_compat = true,
eternal_compat = true,
perishable_compat = true,
pos = {x = 0, y = 0},
loc_vars = function(self,info_queue,center)
return {vars = {center.ability.extra.Xmult}}
end,
calculate = function(self,card,context)
if self.debuff then return nil end
if context.joker_main
if G.GAME.dollars < 0
return {
card = card,
Xmult_mod = 3 * (G.GAME.dollars * -1),
message = 'X' .. 3 * (G.GAME.dollars * -1),
colour = G.C.MULT
}
end
end
end
}

[burnt cairn]

yeah, thats the whole thing im here for to start with

[proud moon]

whats the issue or error its giving you?

[red flower]

#💻・modding-dev message

[burnt cairn]

now that ive got the code in my mod i can disable it from within the joker?

[reef belfry]

Ahh.. i already shut my pc off..
It was basically
{V:1}#V:4#{}...(V:3}#V:6#{}
(I know #V:N# doesnt work im more or so just trying to find out how to make #1# refer to the value and what type of resource it js)

[floral flicker]

The joker dosen't do what it is supposed to. When I have -1$. M'y joker dosen't add X3 mult.

[vocal cedar]

no crash or anything

when you score a card it just

doesnt do anything?

[floral flicker]

Exactly

[vocal cedar]

go ahead and do me a favor real quick and run this yeah

[proud moon]

im suspicious of the Xmult_mod

[red flower]

you want something like this

--- description
{ 
    "Effect 1: {V:1}+#4#{} #1#",
    "Effect 2: {V:2}+#5#{} #2#",
    "Effect 3: {V:3}+#6#{} #3#",
}
-- loc vars
loc_vars = function(self, info_queue, card)
    local colours = {}

    for i = 1, 3 do
        if card.ability.extra["effect"..i] == "none" then
            colours[i] = G.ARGS.LOC_COLOURS.inactive
        elseif card.ability.extra["effect"..i] == "money" then
            colours[i] = G.C.GOLD
        elseif card.ability.extra["effect"..i] == "chips" then
            colours[i] = G.C.BLUE
        elseif card.ability.extra["effect"..i] == "mult" then
            colours[i] = G.C.RED
        end
    end
    return {vars = {
    card.ability.extra.effect1, card.ability.extra.effect2, card.ability.extra.effect3,
    card.ability.extra.effect1r, card.ability.extra.effect2r, card.ability.extra.effect3r, colours = colours}}
end,

[vocal cedar]

SMODS.Joker{
key = "j_jpp_debtcollector",
loc_txt = {
name = "Debt Collector",
text = {
"Gives you {C:white, X:mult}X3{} Mult",
"for each {C:money}-1${} you have in bank."
}
},
atlas = "Jokers",
cost = 4,
rarity = 2,
unlocked = true,
discovered = true,
blueprint_compat = true,
eternal_compat = true,
perishable_compat = true,
pos = {x = 0, y = 0},
loc_vars = function(self,info_queue,center)
return {vars = {center.ability.extra.Xmult}}
end,
calculate = function(self,card,context)
if self.debuff then return nil end
if context.joker_main then
if G.GAME.dollars < 0 then
return {
card = card,
Xmult_mod = 3 * (G.GAME.dollars * -1),
message = 'X' .. 3 * (G.GAME.dollars * -1),
colour = G.C.MULT
}
end
end
end
}

fixed it!

you were missing some "thens"

here

[proud moon]

yea no that works, i forget if its xmult or Xmult lol

[vocal cedar]

i would heavily encourage you to install VSCODE and the LUA extension, it catches silly errors like this

[floral flicker]

If it work. Thanks you are my savior.

[vocal cedar]

its X_mult_mod

[vocal cedar]

test it

[floral flicker]

Thx for the recommandations.

[vocal cedar]

mhm nw

[proud moon]

it is?

[floral flicker]

I cant do that just now, I will do it later. But thx a lot.

[vocal cedar]

nope myb

Xmult_mod

[proud moon]

i just use Xmult =, its a solid

[vocal cedar]

Xmult_mod mult_mod chips and Xchips

any work i think

john smods is my goat

@john smods

what we think chat

iridescent is my modifier sorry

"1.7X Chips"

[rapid stag]

interesting

but why is irisdescent slightly more powerful than polychrome

is there a difference in rarity

[proud moon]

true. since its all multiplication and the scoring is multiplication too, it is just better than poly

[rapid stag]

and also take into account that there are vastly more sources of chips than mult

[vocal cedar]

yep

foil is 50, holo is 30, poly is 5 irid is 3 neg is 3

[vocal cedar]

understand that xchips is EXACTLY the same as x mult lol. except plasma deck

[rapid stag]

they're roughly equivalent, but it really depends on the environment

like again, chips starts higher, there are more sources of chips than mult

etc.

[burnt cairn]

@red flower is this correct

[vocal cedar]

say we score a flush for 200 x 15 mult

x2 chips is 400 x 15

x2 mult is 200 x 30

it would only start mattering if you had them in hand

even if we had a +100 chip joker putting an iridescent joker right after him would not be exponentially stronger than say a polychrome joker

[proud moon]

Commutive property of multiplication

[vocal cedar]

this does get stronger with iridescent playing cards however, as all cards give chips, because of that playing cards have their own rarity

foil 50, holo 30, negative 8, polychrome 5, irid 2 lol

[glad osprey]

rate my joker idea
after two rounds, sell another joker to get one of the same or better rarity
1 in 10 chance to get nothing and for this to self destruct

[rapid stag]

i like the idea but the wording is weird
like how can it self destruct after being sold

[burnt cairn]

i think just "1 in 10 chance to get nothing" would be better wording

descriptions have gotta be short you dont have room for redundancy

[glad osprey]

other joker

you sell a different joker

[rapid stag]

oh for some reason my mind skipped that word entirely

in that case, it feels a little strong and would probably increase the chance a bit

[vocal cedar]

a little awk, seems like a worse invis joker,

i would rephrase it and clean it up

Joker: After 2 rounds, selling a different joker has a 9 in 10 chance to give you a new joker of same or better rarity for the sold joker
This joker then Self Destructs.

[vocal cedar]

oops all 6 would make it better instead of worse as well

since in your original design oops all 6 just would shaft bro

[glad osprey]

the thing I'm basing it off of does allow you to trade with it only once so it dying would make more sense

if it is a self destruct after one use then I would make it sell this joker and it would apply to the one to the right

[proud moon]

as long as its put at the end it still is on par with poly (aside from the 1.7 not 1.5) same as if you had mult enhanced cards before a poly. As long as a multiplier is placed for scoring last that multi is added to the end game mult. Yes a higher base value before mult is better always, for chips and mult, but xchips is identical to xmult (aside from plasma) because its just a multiplier. x1.5 or x1.7 can be on chips or mult and do the same thing because chips and mult are also multiplied together.
The real value derived from irid is just being a 1.7 and not a 1.5.

[glad osprey]

and if there isnt one to the right, grab a random one instead

[vocal cedar]

this mf took me YEARS to figure out man im happy to say he just sucessfull worked

[glad osprey]

also is there some sort of system in place internally that sorts rarities by how much "better" one is

[bold sleet]

Help, how do I put this after black stake and before blue stake?

[vocal cedar]

yeah

[glad osprey]

customs specifically

[vocal cedar]

jokers have a number attached to their rarity

so

[glad osprey]

custom rarities are keys tho

[vocal cedar]

increase it by one and then pull from joker collection with key rarity = yours

oh

[glad osprey]

atleast I think so

[vocal cedar]

its joever for modded

heres what you can do

[glad osprey]

try above_stake = black

[vocal cedar]

unless the mod has its rarity as a number, make your joker just give a different joker of that custom rarity and make the "increase rarity by one" only valid for vanilla tbh

so selling a cryptid epic would always give you an epic

type shit

[glad osprey]

that's just worse commit at that point

[limber blaze]

i set up a table for it which defines crossmod rarities in order for a similar mechanic

[glad osprey]

but yea if there isnt a system set up already ill just do that

[limber blaze]

then it finds the index of the next rarity using that

youre still gonna have to have a fallback which will be best as the original rarity but yea

doing it like this is pretty easy and allows it to work with modded rarities

you just need to get people to add crossmod or manually do it yourself though

[glad osprey]

@scarlet thorn next project should be an api that mods can patch into to add their own rarities and stuff

[limber blaze]

smods rarity stuff should just make you provide an order

[glad osprey]

that would get very messy very quick tho

[limber blaze]

ik lol

if everyone agreed to play nice it would work pretty well but i think some people wouldnt do that cough cough

[bold sleet]

nope

[glad osprey]

womp womp

may be smth like st_black

or whatever stakes prefixes are

[red flower]

is what correct

[glad osprey]

prefixes are just stake

so try stake_black

[bold sleet]

shit is not working

[flat sorrel]

"Key prefixing is applied to applied_stakes and above_stake by default. If you want your stake above a stake from the base game or other mods, this can be adjusted by using prefix_config" ?

[burnt cairn]

trying to understand whats the benefit of having a copy of the function in my own code. doing that enables me to refer to it inside my jokers right?

[red flower]

no, let me do a mock up rq

SMODS.Enhancement:take_ownership('glass', {
    calculate = function(self, card, context)
        if not next(SMODS.find_card("j_matador")) and -- wont be destroyed if you have matador
        context.destroy_card and context.cardarea == G.play and context.destroy_card == card and pseudorandom('glass') < G.GAME.probabilities.normal/card.ability.extra then
            return { remove = true }
        end
    end,
})

[burnt cairn]

ahh ic

so im copying it over and then explicitly adding an exception

[red flower]

yeah

[burnt cairn]

okay i think ive got it then

[red flower]

you can also change loc_vars to set the value in the description to 0 im pretty sure

[burnt cairn]

thank you for tolerating me i appreciate it 🫡

[hearty mesa]

???

oh wait

wooops

[cyan lagoon]

how do i make this not crash?

haven't done much G.GAME. magic so i dunno what to do

[hearty mesa]

check if G.GAME.jokers_sold is not nil before the for loop?

after local contained = false

[flat sorrel]

unless I just can't find it there is no G.GAME.jokers_sold, it doesn't exist

[cyan lagoon]

i mean it works fine if cryptid is installed where i took the code from

[flat sorrel]

is cryptid tracking it itself?

[cyan lagoon]

well, how do i add it?

[hearty mesa]

hook to Game:init_game_object()

[cyan lagoon]

i'm certainly missing that G.GAME.jokers_sold thing

[crisp coral]

your problem is borrowing code from Cryptid - it's defined there but not your mod

[cyan lagoon]

that the thing

how do i define it

[flat sorrel]

what effect are you trying to achieve?

[hearty mesa]

local igo = Game:init_game_object
function Game:init_game_object(run_start)
  local ret = igo(self)
  -- "ret" is the G.GAME variable
  ret.jokers_sold = {}
  -- make sure to return ret!!!!
  return ret
end

[cyan lagoon]

oh wait i may've found it

[cyan lagoon]

.

[flat sorrel]

look you can add it to your game object but that on its own obviously isn't going to do anything, there's no point telling them just that

[hearty mesa]

ok

[cyan lagoon]

thanks for that

[hearty mesa]

yw 🙂

[flat sorrel]

you would need to search on the cryptid github for "jokers_sold" and find everywhere that the code is handling it, and do the same. but often people who aren't experienced don't actually know what they need which is why before recommending going off and doing that it'd be useful to know what you're trying to do

it's called the XY problem

[cyan lagoon]

ok, it works, but the rarity check doesn't

it just adds every sold joker and no just commons

[red flower]

yeah the if should be an and not an or

[cyan lagoon]

oh right

[rough furnace]

Does anyone know is there some sort of frame counter, or some other way to tell how many frames has passed since between two points in time?

Don't have my laptop to look at the xode

At least not efficently

[red flower]

G.FRAMES.MOVE and G.FRAMES.DRAW seem to have frame counters

i dont know what the difference is because they seem to print the same number in game

[split cairn]

anyone know how to change the text in the cashout screen?

[long frigate]

what do i do to have a joker make a specific tarot card, currently have it just making a random one using similar logic to hallucination (without the booster pack thing obv)

[red flower]

you either need to patch the cashout screen code or hook localize so that name_text returns the correct text
i have this exact same problem in my mod : )

[split cairn]

how do i do that?

[split cairn]

you mean like this?
SMODS.add_card{ key = 'c_pluto', edition = 'e_negative' }
you need the consumable's key

[long frigate]

ah

that is much easier than what i was trying to do lmao

[split cairn]

https://balatromods.miraheze.org/wiki/Modded_Balatro_Wiki:Data/Vanilla_Consumables
this has all the consumable keys

[scarlet thorn]

Smods.rarity?

[long frigate]

thanks

[red flower]

this is how i do it

local localize_ref = localize
function localize(args, misc_cat)
    local ret = localize_ref(args, misc_cat)
    -- Remove color codes from info_queue tooltip names
    if args and type(args) == 'table' and args.type == "name_text" then
        if string.len(ret) > 2 and string.sub(ret, string.len(ret) - 1, string.len(ret)) == "{}" then
            ret = string.sub(ret, 1, string.len(ret) - 2)
        end
        if string.sub(ret, 1, 3) == "{C:" then
            local _, _, _, real_name = string.find(ret, "{C:(.*)}(.*)")
            ret = real_name
        end
    end

    return ret
end

[split cairn]

do i put that after my dollar calc?

        return 20
    end,   ```

[red flower]

no, you put it somewhere else in your main code, not inside the joker

[split cairn]

ok but, before or after all my joker definitions?

[red flower]

both work

[split cairn]

it worked, thanks!

[rough furnace]

Oh nice. I suspect it's just incremented ones for G:update and G:draw so they should be the same in normal situations

[hushed estuary]

How do I make a tooltip for stickers

What do I put in info queue

[long frigate]

is there a way to check if i have a specific consumable

can i just do context.card.config.center.set == 'c_moon' for example

[bold sleet]

card.config.center.key

if card.config.center.key == "your_key" then
end

needs prefixes and stuff

[long frigate]

ty

[quartz ravine]

Hi folks! I got a bug report and sure enough, my config for my mod is defaulting all settings as 'unchecked', leading my mod to do basically nothing, lol!

[rough furnace]

Do you have default config.lua in your mod path?

[quartz ravine]

Good question! I do define my config page in this config.lua file, which ends with a return block

[rough furnace]

Do you have DebugPlus?

[quartz ravine]

I do!

[wintry solar]

how are you creating your config menu?

[rough furnace]

If so can you run eval SMODS.Mods.YOURID.config in the console

[quartz ravine]

https://github.com/1RedOne/FickleFox/blob/master/config.lua

Here is my config file. Maybe I shouldn't be making the menu here as well?

[wintry solar]

I would try having that file be just the config table

[rough furnace]

Forgot the .config at the end but I cans ee the table its empty

But yeah I wouldn't put other kogic in the config

[quartz ravine]

Weirdly, the value of .config was an empty table. Although when I manually changed a setting, the value was populated!

Ok, I think you are giving some ver good advice, Eremel and John, I will try it!

That was the fix! @rough furnace @wintry solar !

My config.lua now holds only that return table and I moved everything else into modconfig.lua, works like a charm!

[open aspen]

can i debuff a hand (like how psychic prevents you from playing 4 or less cards) with a joker or some kind of other effect? I want to make a mechanic which, when triggered, will permanently apply a condition to your run that if met, debuffs ur hand

like it wouldnt be a joker doing this, it would be activating a consumable that sets a flag

[long frigate]

for _, k in pairs(G.consumeables) do
if k.config.center.key == 'c_moon' then
moons = moons + 1
end
end

does that loop work for finding how many moon cards are in your hand/storage

if not is there a good way to do it

kinda just taking other logic and using it here lol

[open aspen]

i believe it should work

i am not sure about the .config part

[long frigate]

yea that might not work lemme see

[rough furnace]

I think you can use SMODS.find_card

[open aspen]

anyone know?

like is there a place where the hand is played where I can hook in and set the hand to be debuffed

[red flower]

context.debuff_hand

[bold sleet]

why does it display as error?

[pulsar flower]

your loc_txt needs a "label" property if i'm not mistaken

[bold sleet]

oh ok

[open aspen]

ty

[cyan lagoon]

how do i make a joker trigger the effect of another joker?

[burnt cairn]

does it matter where i put this function? cause ive got it at the start of the main.lua file and the glass cards are very much still breaking

[wintry solar]

Use SMODS.blueprint_effect

[sonic cedar]

trying to make it so a joker wont appear in the pool if the check box in the mod's config is deselected,

this however crashes the game

is there a way to do this?

[cyan lagoon]

this doesn't require for the copied joker to be owned right?

[wintry solar]

Uhhhh

Not technically

[cyan lagoon]

i'll try it

[sonic cedar]

oh i forgot to add what exactly the isaac config is (im also trying to do this without having to restart the game every time, unlike how i used to have it)

[wintry solar]

What are you trying to copy?

[red flower]

it shouldn't matter

[burnt cairn]

hm

theres no obvious mistake im missing here is there

[long frigate]

for _, k in pairs(G.consumeables) do
local found = SMODS.find_card('c_moon')
sendDebugMessage("SMODS.find_card('c_moon') returned: " .. tostring(found))
if found then
moons = moons + 1
end
end

why does this return with 33 moons lmao

[wintry solar]

The key for your find card is wrong

[wintry solar]

How many consumables do you have?

[cyan lagoon]

i have a table of sold jokers and i want to trigger effects of jokers in that table

[wintry solar]

What exactly are you saving in the table?

[cyan lagoon]

joker keys

[burnt cairn]

wdym? is it not just the joker key?

[wintry solar]

Yes but that’s not a joker key, needs to be j_modprefix_key

[burnt cairn]

oh that makes sense

[wintry solar]

You can do this then

local calc = G.P_CENTERS[card.ability.extra.last_joker]
            local ret, trig = Card.calculate_joker(card.ability.extra.last_joker_table, context)
            if ret and ret.card and ret.card == card.ability.extra.last_joker_table then
                ret.card = card
            end
            return ret, trig

I create a dummy table to act as the previous card, if you have lots you’ll probably need to adapt it somewhat

[burnt cairn]

so this should be correct then?

[cyan lagoon]

i put that in the calc function?

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[burnt cairn]

because the glass cards are still breaking

the lua gods striking me down for my hubris

[wintry solar]

Oh glass cards have their own check

[burnt cairn]

they huh

[wintry solar]

Or it used to

[burnt cairn]

their own check that isnt covered in
SMODS.Enhancement:take_ownership('glass', { calculate = function(self, card, context) if not next(SMODS.find_card('j_grat_abyssjoker')) and context.destroy_card and context.cardarea == G.play and context.destroy_card == card and pseudorandom('glass') < G.GAME.probabilities.normal/card.ability.extra then return { remove = true } end end, })

[wintry solar]

Yeah

It’s in state events

[burnt cairn]

alright (where is state events)

[wintry solar]

Look in your lovely dumps folder

[long frigate]

currently holding 2 moon cards, when i deleted 1 it still said 33

[burnt cairn]

found it but i dont really know what im looking for

theres a thing about shattering in G.FUNCS.draw_from_play_to_discard that im not sure what to make of

[cyan lagoon]

uhh... where do i go from here?

it crashes as of now

[wintry solar]

I mean total consumables

[true glen]

how do i add a rarity to a joker besides the default common? cause the steam modded examples lists the code for it as just "rarity = (number)," but that isn't doing anything

[wintry solar]

Search for m_glass in that file

[wintry solar]

Hold on it looks like my code has something missing

[cyan lagoon]

yeah, local calc is not used anywhere

and you're checking ret.card twice for some reason

wait no

[burnt cairn]

?

[wintry solar]

Huh

[long frigate]

dw i fixed it lol

[burnt cairn]

this is the file in Mods/lovely/dump/functions right?

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[long frigate]

i was just dumb and was taking a table as a boolean lol

[burnt cairn]

huh

[placid star]

whats the most efficient way to find the cards[index] index of self?

[true glen]

yay i figured that out (kinda)

[scarlet thorn]

Loop through it, and see if the value is equal to self/card

[placid star]

so

for i,v in ipairs(G.jokers.cards) do
  if v == card then
    ind = i
  end
end```

[hardy viper]

truth

[bold sleet]

Can't debate that description.

-# that card, a joker, which indeed, executes, performs an action, an event, activates, gets triggered, when one finds themselves playing, in a run, making use of this program we call 'balatro'.

[scarlet thorn]

Yea

Why do you need the index

Not something that's all too valuable yknow

[true glen]

alright there we go

[scarlet thorn]

That's gonna be interesting to code...

[true glen]

now if i can only figure out how to make it actually pull from the 1x and 2x folder

[true glen]

yeah im expecting it to be probably too complex for where im at but i'll cross that bridge when i get there

[hardy viper]

average string.find(v, "{C:tarot}", nil, true)

[true glen]

rarity thing also just still is not working at all

idk whats up with tha

that

[wintry solar]

Your rarity and atlas are inside your loc txt table

[sonic cedar]

take them out of loc txt

[true glen]

ohh ok

where should i put these then?

[true glen]

ty

[true glen]

this right?

[sonic cedar]

comma

at the end of the loc txt

[sonic cedar]

other end

[true glen]

yeah i realized woops

[sonic cedar]

where is your syntax highlighting

[true glen]

idk

this is the most coding i've ever done tbh i dont know jack

[gusty peak]

do you have lua extension installed?

in vscode

[true glen]

i dont think so

[gusty peak]

ye and thats where you search for them

[tranquil gull]

will G.GAME.current_round.current_hand.chip_total have the correct value during context.joker_main?

[gusty peak]

depends on when your joker triggers, so id say.. no its not a reliable source

[tranquil gull]

i want to get the amount of total chips when the joker triggers

[gusty peak]

oh

what are you trying to do with it?

[tranquil gull]

j_jimbotomy_nerd_joker = {
    name = "Nerd Joker",
    text = {
        "{X:mult,C:white} x#1# {} Mult, {C:chips}+#2# Chips{}",
        "if {C:chips}Chips{} are {C:attention}prime{}",
        "{C:inactive}Debuffed if {C:chips}Chips{} > #3#{}"
    }
},

[sonic cedar]

pseudo bump so discord doesnt have to cry over scrolling and such

[modest iris]

hello guys, does anybody know how can i make a joker retrigger itself like ten times and each time it multiplies the score with it's xmult value?

[wintry solar]

This might be the fact you’re using a very generic name for your config

[brisk rose]

Lmfao. I fell asleep shortly after this. Unfortunately my ear hurts more shson now and I lowlry miss being drunk from lack of sleep

[sonic cedar]

should i change the name of it then to like hyperconfig or something

[wintry solar]

I’d do Hyperglobal = SMODS.current_mod and then use Hyperglobal.config

[sonic cedar]

ohhhh

is that all i have to do or is there more than that

[placid star]

this code no workie :/
im trying to make a joker that removes all stickers from the joker to the right on selecting the boss blind but this crashes on 1455

[sonic cedar]

oh and

[wintry solar]

No not the second line

[sonic cedar]

oh uh fixing

do you mean all the usages in the config_tab

[sonic cedar]

did you mean within the in_pool

[wintry solar]

Everywhere

[sonic cedar]

oh literally anywhere it says config EXCEPT the local config

ok maybr not that

[sonic cedar]

how everywhere is everywhere

[wintry solar]

Wherever you’re trying to refer to your config

[sonic cedar]

ohhh everywhere in the JOKER (in this case)

[sonic cedar]

oh well

yeah that seems obvious now

[sonic cedar]

can this be used to modify collection appearance (like true or false)
example:

or will it just have to always be shown in collection

[wintry solar]

No you can’t do that

It’s possible but it’s more complicated

[sonic cedar]

do you know how

or like know where to look even like an example or sorts

[open aspen]

what is mod_mult()

[brisk rose]

    inject = function(self)
        if not Buffoonery.config.show_spc then
            SMODS.Joker.super.inject(self)
            G.P_CENTER_POOLS.Joker[#G.P_CENTER_POOLS.Joker] = nil
        else
            SMODS.Joker.super.inject(self)
        end
    end```

From buffoonery

On the joker object to be clear

[sonic cedar]

[tranquil gull]

howwould i do the thing that trading card / invisible joker does with my own joker

like, the "ok! i'm active"

[wintry solar]

Yeah you could do it that way, it does require a restart though

[brisk rose]

I presume it's loc_var stuff?

[sonic cedar]

the very thing i was trying to remove,,

[wintry solar]

You should be able to add a function to your toggle though that iterates over your set of disabled jokers and toggles their no_collection flag

[brisk rose]

Oh... that's silly imo

[open aspen]

i have a lovely patch that i am using to give 2x mult at the final scoring step, but idk how to have it actually play the animation

[wintry solar]

What’s your effect coming from?

[brisk rose]

Requiring restarts is fine if not preferable for configs imo. I dung trust them without restarting anyway

[open aspen]

its a one time use consumable that sets a flag

[tranquil gull]

how would it be that