💻・modding-dev

[sturdy compass]

If you're looking to remove the skip box entirely here's a hook that'll do that for you. Just make sure you change the modifier to something that you are setting yourself

[red flower]

finished PRing all my (useful for other mods) 'at' patches today to smods

people can't complain about my 'lovely hygiene' now

[placid star]

is there a way to remove the seal/edition from a card?

[faint yacht]

I do such with Jarate.

[brisk rose]

"Clear glass bottles he fillz wiz hiz pizzz"

Anyone get that reference?

[sturdy monolith]

I GOT SHADERS TO UPDATE IN REAL TIME RAHHHH

[brisk rose]

Not the tf2 part generally, the specific source of the quote

[surreal coral]

Gonna have a joker that's ability changes depending on the boss blind, so I kinda need this bit to be a variable or somethin. Game doesn't seem to expect new lines here and cuts it off

[brisk rose]

https://youtu.be/WRYFuje8_bc

Here it is for the cutious. I've never played tf2 in my life and my vast majority of knowledge about it comes from this song, which I love

[scarlet thorn]

make it 2 strings, not a \n

"Text1","Text2"

[surreal coral]

I tried that initially but it didn't like it. Seems to just return the first string

[scarlet thorn]

Is this for a blind?

[surreal coral]

For a joker. I'm doing somethin kinda weird

[scarlet thorn]

add another one of #2#

and just set both

'#1#',
'#2#'

[surreal coral]

Hmm, I'll try that. Wonder if that will limit my lines for each description. Thank ya

[scarlet thorn]

you could then just add a 3rd.

or actually

nvm

[paper trout]

why isn't this code working?
it checks for the ingredients correctly and spawns the result correctly, but the code for removing the green joker & candy doesn't work

[red flower]

you're just removing them from the area, try SMODS.find_card("j_green_joker")[1]:start_dissolve()

[supple fractal]

yo I request some help

I want to make a joker which randomly picks a joker from your negative jokers

with

                if
                    G.jokers.cards[i] ~= card
                    and G.jokers.cards[i].edition.negative
                    and not G.jokers.cards[i].ability.eternal
                    and not G.jokers.cards[i].getting_sliced
                then```
being what I've done

however it crashes if there are no negatives because G.jokers.cards[i].edition.negative is equal to nil

how do I check if the value is equal to nil before indexing it?

[faint yacht]

and G.jokers.cards[i].edition and G.jokers.cards[i].edition.negative

[supple fractal]

thank you so much I've been at this for three hours

[faint yacht]

And as you mention picking a random negative Joker, could initialize a blank table, then add all the Jokers that are negative into it, then pseudorandom_element on the table to get your random choice, but only if said table has more than 1 item (#table > 0).

[hasty mist]

if i use an atlas that doesn't exist ingame, will it still work (except for when it tries to display it ingame of course)

or will it crash on startup

[brisk rose]

So... I wanna finally revive DeFused. The actually Fusion Jokers is already ported to very modern Smods https://github.com/wingedcatgirl/Fusion-Jokers And will be the new base. Removing the Fusion mechnanics and giving the jokers actual rarities that would make them pollable should be trivial

But I also need to port the Jestobiology jokers:
https://github.com/lshtech/Jestobiology

And Vultbines jokers: https://discordapp.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1227317656131211284/1244573783210196995 Over to that codebase

They are based on older, in the case of Vultbines much older, versions of smods. So, I'm just wondering what all that would entail

(The embeds were a bit much)

[hasty mist]

ty for removing the embeds lol

[gaunt thistle]

Embeds are always a bit much haha

[hasty mist]

i want something to be able to use atlases from other mods, it would be hidden from the collection, so the only time it would ever appear is when the mod is installed anyways

[brisk rose]

the atlas object or the asset file?

[hasty mist]

wdym

[willow plinth]

try assert(...) around your code that references the atlas maybe? and make sure your mod loads after

but also idk how you would remove the automatic prefix added

[hasty mist]

i'm making inverted versions of every single boss blind, (the inverted versions would be hidden from the collection, and they can only appear in the place of the boss blind it's replacing), and i want it to use the original sprite (except perhaps with the negative shader applied)

how would i do that

[brisk rose]

I mean there are multiple standardized ways of checking for other mods being loaded

if statements basically

[brisk rose]

I mean.... there's no way to automatically do this for any arbitrary blind, so you could just make your own atlas with each icon that you've implemented

[faint yacht]

if next(SMODS.find_mod('Bunco')) then as example.

[brisk rose]

but yeah this

[red flower]

assert would do the opposite of what she wants because it will crash if its not there

i would fallback to a default atlas if it doesnt exist or do what ali said

[willow plinth]

oh yeah sorry i forgot how lua works for a second

[hasty mist]

alright, how do i use modded atlases then?

from other mods

[brisk rose]

just like your own

[willow plinth]

maybe look into global atlas table?

[brisk rose]

(I think)

[red flower]

G.ASSET_ATLAS["modprefix_key"] iirc

[brisk rose]

ah it's a bit more

but not much

[willow plinth]

doesn't work cuz prefix i think

[brisk rose]

in any case, just using the table works fine

[hasty mist]

alright

now how do i change atlases in an if statement

i know how to change pos, but not the atlas

[faint yacht]

To list atlases...

for k, v in pairs(G.ASSET_ATLAS) do
  print(k)
end

[brisk rose]

I think it'd be

atlas= variablle

and set that variable with the if statement

pseudocode, not lua

[midnight coyote]

how do i add sprites into ui elements

[red flower]

oh if this is for changing atlas when you create the object then im not sure

[midnight coyote]

i’m looking through the game’s source code and i’m not finding anything that’s exactly clear

[brisk rose]

I think it's what I said? I've seen similar oncstructions

[willow plinth]

there's nothing in there that's exactly clear 💀

[gusty iron]

calculate = function(self, card, context)

        function rollanomaly()
        local anomalychance = pseudorandom('wehttam29')
        if anomalychance >= 0.5 then
        center.ability.extra.anomaly = true
        else
        center.ability.extra.anomaly = false
        end
        
        end
        
        if context.before then
        self.loc_txt.text = {"PRESSRIGHTPRESSRIGHTPRESSRIGHTPRESSRIGHTPRESSRIGHTPRESSRIGHT"}
        end
        if context.joker_main then

            return {
                card = card,
                mult_mod = 7,
                message = "+7 Mult",
                colour = G.C.MULT,
                extra = extras
            }
        end
    end

is something wrong with this? (im trying to expirement with changing loc_txt with code

[midnight coyote]

i’ve figured it out up to this point

[brisk rose]

where object params are a variable that is defined in an if statement

[willow plinth]

there's SMODS.Sprite but honestly good luck

[midnight coyote]

i’ll just brute force it

thanks for the nudge

[red flower]

Sprite(x,y,w,h,atlas,pos)

[hasty mist]

the aim here is to change the atlas to the cryptid blind's atlas, but only if cryptid is installed

[midnight coyote]

will atlas accept an SMODS atlas

[red flower]

put it in a G.UIT.o

[midnight coyote]

or do i have to make one like the base game

[red flower]

G.ASSET_ATLAS["modprefix_key"]

[midnight coyote]

alright

[brisk rose]

plenty of people's smods.object contructors are only variables

[red flower]

then probably next(SMODS.find_mod('Cryptid')) and "modprefix_key" or "default_key"

[gusty iron]

bump?

[red flower]

the problem is the loading order

[brisk rose]

and this would be setting the variable you use in the constructor?

or is it directly in the constructor?

[red flower]

atlas = next(...

[brisk rose]

ah directly, though I think both approaches work

[willow plinth]

replace it with an extra variable and change that

[red flower]

yeah it would be the same i think

[hasty mist]

i think ill just worry about this later in development

[brisk rose]

I think lua evals everything very directly

lol

[red flower]

what are you trying to do?

[brisk rose]

which makes things easier

[gusty iron]

okay so:

every hand, theres a 1 in 2 chance (nonaffectible by oops all 6s) for an anomaly to spawn

if an anomaly spawns, press right to fix it

each right verdict gains +8 mult, wrong verdicts reset mult.

im testing out changing the card's description to just PRESSRIGHT over and over again for an anomaly

[brisk rose]

I think something that wants a string will just as easily take something that evals to a string

is what I mean

[red flower]

I would recommend either using a localization file and returning a key in loc_vars or using main_end

[willow plinth]

as i said you could change the whole text to variable #1# and change that variable instead

[red flower]

or that

[willow plinth]

line breaks is an issue then again, but yeah

[hasty mist]

why doesn't this work?

[gusty iron]

ill probably do that yeah

[red flower]

drawn_to_hand

[hasty mist]

oh

[brisk rose]

I remember when I got chatgpt to evaulate loc_vars to automate making https://gaycoonie.github.io/DeFused from the lua file

(yes strmnn, I know I should learn to code :P

[hasty mist]

it still doesn't do anything

[gusty iron]

:)

[brisk rose]

but you gotta admit, making a script to convert it would be almost as much work as doing it manually, this way actually did save monotonous effort

[hasty mist]

i just copied the code from the serpent and replaced 5 with 8, why doesn't that work?

[midnight coyote]

hey so @red flower with the G.ASSET_ATLAS the modprefix_key would accept an atlas made by smods, correct? i could make an atlas with the key of, say, ‘diff_atlas’ and then make an atlas variable with a value of G.ASSET_ATLAS[‘astropulvis_diff_atlas’]

[red flower]

hand_space doesn't mean anything there i don't think, you need to copy the rest of the drawing code

[red flower]

yes

[midnight coyote]

okay, thanks for the help

[hasty mist]

what else would i need from G.FUNCS.draw_from_deck_to_hand?

most of the code there seems unrelated to the serpent

[brisk rose]

vanillia code is a cluttered mess

[hasty mist]

agreed

i hate having to look at it and utilize it

[red flower]

i think it's pretty simple there i dont agree

[brisk rose]

I've looked through the dumps before, with ~70 mods, it's... trancendental what it becomes

[red flower]

the problem is that i dont think you can do that effect how you want without making it weird or patching

[hasty mist]

this would be so much easier if someone recreated each vanilla blind using smods.blind

[red flower]

well thats another problem

[gray apex]

Is there any way to get a localization key from another mod?

[brisk rose]

yeah but I've also looked through the unzipped exe itself plenty

things for one object with be scattered over 5 files

and different parts of 1

[midnight coyote]

how do i make something thats an altered random chance? I want to have the game randomly pick a difficulty for boss blinds, but I have a 'risk' value that is intended to increase the chances of higher difficulty the higher risk is

[hasty mist]

vanilla code in a nutshell

[brisk rose]

and instead of objects calling functions, functions will just refer to the objects in a hardcoded way, it;s... a hell of a lot messier than smods code

[red flower]

I would honestly patch your code into G.FUNCS.draw_from_deck_to_hand

[midnight coyote]

i need to basically manipulate randomness

[brisk rose]

yes, this was more what I was getting at, where objects barely exist

[hasty mist]

the fact that i need to do that is absolutely astounding

thanks localthunk

[brisk rose]

well it wasn't made to be modular and expandable

must just not be how thunk's brain works

[red flower]

thats more of an smods problem for not providing an api for that honestly

i could PR it..

[hasty mist]

would be very nice

[faint yacht]

fwiw, the draw_card is the actual function doing the moving of cards... and it can take a card as an argument to target which specific card to draw.

[brisk rose]

the endgame of smods is essentially rewriting balatro in an inherently modular, expandable, and api driven manner, but that's years away when the game is no longer reciving updates and we can afford to start from scrtach more or less

[brisk rose]

at least that's how I see it

[drowsy wadi]

hey all. is there a, like, relatively simple (or at all) guide on how to start modding/make a simple mod? or at the very least a simple mod to work off of/access the source code

[red flower]

eh idk im not going to be there to see it probably but this one issue could probably be solved now

[hasty mist]

that would be an absolute dream come true

[red flower]

anyway do this

[[patches]]
[patches.pattern]
target = "functions/state_events.lua"
pattern = "if G.GAME.blind.name == 'The Serpent' and"
position = 'before'
match_indent = true
payload = '''
if G.GAME.blind.config.blind.key == "your blind key" and
    not G.GAME.blind.disabled and
    (G.GAME.current_round.hands_played > 0 or
    G.GAME.current_round.discards_used > 0) then
        hand_space = math.min(#G.deck.cards, 8)
end
'''

[hasty mist]

alright

[brisk rose]

tbh smods comes a lot closer than many other modding framkeworks already from what I know already

[faint yacht]

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki/Your-First-Mod
https://github.com/Steamodded/examples/tree/master/Mods

[brisk rose]

especially given the codebase of the game

[hasty mist]

now i need to learn how patches work

[paper trout]

why doesnt this work? (I understand the hardcoding is kinda stupid but i don't know lua like at all so i really just want anything that works lol)
I can't find the returning repetitions thing anywhere in vanilla or steamodded, it's in the cryptid code so it might just be from that (or im blind and it is in vanilla), but i dont play with any other mods often so idk what else i could check

[brisk rose]

I feel like if i were to have (first known how to code, lol) and written balatro, it'd probably be structured a lot more like smods from the start, but that's probably wishful thinking

[hasty mist]

wheres the documentation for patches? i forgot where they actually are

[red flower]

https://github.com/ethangreen-dev/lovely-injector?tab=readme-ov-file#patches

[brisk rose]

especially given my one actual finished coding project

[hasty mist]

ty

[brisk rose]

from colllege

this is what the code is for

[red flower]

you need to enable joker retriggers as an optional feature

[hasty mist]

i still have to rewrite this monstrosity to be a function instead of hardcoded lmao

because i have so many jokers that do score manip like this

[paper trout]

how?

[midnight coyote]

bump

[gusty iron]

Is something wrong with this?? the context.before functions arent running

[glass scaffold]

have they changed how to check if a card is a certain suit or is it card:is_suit('Hearts')?

[gusty iron]

its still that yeah

[glass scaffold]

thank god, cause I gotta redo a lot of code to make a new ver cause STEAMODDED updated.

[hasty mist]

what

ok

i misread the documentation

very badly

[midnight coyote]

this is what im doing rn

[red flower]

u need this

[hasty mist]

ah

[red flower]

SMODS.current_mod.optional_features = {
    retrigger_joker = true,
}

[hasty mist]

this still doesnt work

[red flower]

does the code appear in the lovely/dump

[paper trout]

still doesnt work, am i meant to just put that at the start of the .lua?

[gusty iron]

bump

context.before just does not run

[hasty mist]

yeah

looks fine

[red flower]

it has to be bl_modprefix_key

[hasty mist]

oh i see

[digital niche]

wait is this in the patch you uploaded in github recently or isnt out yet?

[hasty mist]

works now

[gusty iron]

how would i bind a variable change to a keypress

[brisk rose]

there's a SMODS.keybind object

haven't looked into it though

[brisk rose]

yeah, seems like it'd get the job done

[paper trout]

?

[brisk rose]

also that's some strange editoralizing with the key at the end I think, I could think of ways that it'd be useful to refer to it like any other smods object

[surreal coral]

Is it possible to block a joker from showing in the collection at all? Trying to make a joker that has different abilities depending on the boss blind, but it's really beginning to seem like it's gonna be best to make several individual jokers and maybe try to disguise them as one

Actually that's kinda still an insane idea on second thought

[red flower]

done https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/pull/675

[brisk rose]

#1290829201108107354 does something kinda similar by default

[red flower]

sorry i didnt see the message
yes

[opal spade]

no_collection = true

[paper trout]

idk why it isn't working then

[drowsy wadi]

(this is a dumb question im aware) whats the like "name" for money? the rest of the joker works (just a test) and it gives it but it still says +nil dollars

[shut crater]

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki/Text-Styling

all the color codes are at the bottom

[drowsy wadi]

(thanks for this page for unrelated reasons) but the color is correct it just says +nil (as in dollars = 7 isnt the proper way to format it)

am i misunderstanding things on a fundamental level due to being dumb? probably

[shut crater]

are you returning dollars as the third entry in your loc_vars function

[drowsy wadi]

no i was not. it works now, thanks

[tall wharf]

it is out

[supple fractal]

I have a joker which triggers a unique effect depending on the suit of the card which is scoring. However if a wild card is played instead of all of them scoring only the first effect will trigger

do I need to specify this in a loop or something?

[digital niche]

oh yeah i saw you needed to have both sleeve and deck to be able to steal

[tall wharf]

yeah

[shut crater]

show code

[paper trout]

does anyone know why this doesnt work?
i added this and it still doesnt #💻・modding-dev message

[shut crater]

does any part of your code work? or does just nothing trigger

[supple fractal]

if context.other_card:is_suit("Spades") then
                return {
                    chips = card.ability.extra.chips,
                    card = card,
                }
            end
            if context.other_card:is_suit("Hearts") then
                return {
                    x_mult = card.ability.extra.Xmult,
                    card = card,
                }
            end
            if context.other_card:is_suit("Clubs") then
                return {
                    mult = card.ability.extra.mult,
                    card = card,
                }
            end
            if context.other_card:is_suit("Diamonds") then
                if pseudorandom("lovely_opal") < G.GAME.probabilities.normal / 2 then
                    G.GAME.dollar_buffer = (G.GAME.dollar_buffer or 0) + card.ability.extra.money
                    G.E_MANAGER:add_event(Event({
                        func = function()
                            G.GAME.dollar_buffer = 0
                            return true
                        end,
                    }))
                    return {
                        dollars = card.ability.extra.money,
                        card = card,
                    }
                end
            end
        end
    end,
})

just a worse version of all of the suit gem cards

[shut crater]

once lua encounters a return statement, the rest of the function is skipped

[supple fractal]

ohh

[shut crater]

so you need to reorganize your function so it does all the correct calculations and just returns everything once at the end

[supple fractal]

okay

thank you very kindly

[paper trout]

nothing retriggers

the joker is added properly but that's it, it doesn't do anything

[shut crater]

I would put something like

local chips = nil
local mult = nil
local xmult = nil
local dollars = nil

at the top and then just set any of those variables to the desired value for the suit

[shut crater]

no message either?

[paper trout]

correct

[shut crater]

if you print pass do you get the intended value

[faint yacht]

return {
  chips = context.other_card:is_suit("Spades") and card.ability.extra.chips,
  mult = context.other_card:is_suit("Clubs") and card.ability.extra.mult,
  x_mult = context.other_card:is_suit("Hearts") and card.ability.extra.Xmult,
  dollars = pseudorandom("lovely_opal") < G.GAME.probabilities.normal / 2 and card.ability.extra.money
}

could work.

[paper trout]

stupid question but how do i see what i print, im not seeing it in debugplus or the lovely window

[faint yacht]

Otherwise, this would've been much larger.

[shut crater]

any idea why negative chips turn invisible?

[shut crater]

well those are the two places you'd see it so if you don't see it, it's not printing

[gusty iron]

i mightve screwed with the game speed a bit

[paper trout]

it seems like the stuff past if other_card.config.center.blueprint_compat then is never running even when the cards are blueprint compatible

[shut crater]

try other_card.ability.blueprint_compat

[supple fractal]

thank you so much! it works perfectly!

well my adaption of your suggestion works but like tyyyy

[supple fractal]

is it possible to do -mult?

like -3x or something

[shut crater]

I'll try it

[paper trout]

returns nil

[faint yacht]

context.other_joker?

[shut crater]

same result but in the mult box

[supple fractal]

weird

[ashen niche]

tf is wrong with my joker code ```lua
function round(n)
return math.floor(n + 0.5)
end

SMODS.Joker {

key = 'chaotic_randomizer',

pos = { x = 0, y = 5 }, 

config = { extra = {} }, 

blueprint_compat = false,

atlas = "Jokers",

rarity = 2, 

cost = 6,

loc_vars = function(self, info_queue, card)

    return { vars = {} }
end,

calculate = function(self, card, context)

    if context.end_of_round and not context.repetition and context.game_over == false and not context.blueprint then

        local randomized_something = false 

        for i, other_joker in ipairs(G.jokers.cards) do

            if other_joker ~= card and other_joker.ability and other_joker.ability.extra then

                for k, v in pairs(other_joker.ability.extra) do

                    if type(v) == 'number' then

                        local original_value = v

                        local random_multiplier = 0.5 + math.random() 

                        local new_value = round(original_value * random_multiplier)

                        other_joker.ability.extra[k] = new_value
                        randomized_something = true

                    end
                end

            end
        end

        if randomized_something then

            play_sound('tarot1', 1.1 + math.random()*0.1, 0.5) 

            return {
                message = "Chaos!", 
                colour = G.C.JOKER_RARITY[card.rarity], 
                card = card 
            }

        end
    end

    return nil
end

}```

[paper trout]

crashes when i try to do stuff with it, i think its just returning nil

[red flower]

can you give us more details

[ashen niche]

uh

its trying to randomize the values of the other jokers you currently have

im js not the sharpest tool in the shed

[red flower]

and is it not doing anything? Does it return the message at least?

[ashen niche]

nothing

[shut crater]

is context.repetition the right context check? That seems like it's meant for when this card is being repeated

what's the goal for your joker

[ashen niche]

.

[paper trout]

retrigger all food jokers
I think I initially had it check for something else and that didnt work so i changed it, but now that i fixed other stuff maybe it'll work if i switch back, one sec

[quartz ravine]

Hi Folks, when checking for unlock, how can I check to see if another joker is unlocked or not?

[shut crater]

honestly after a quick glance this code looks pretty solid

can you do some print debugging to figure out which code is being run and which isn't

[red flower]

it works for me, except the JOKER_RARITY bit crashes but without that it works

[ashen niche]

of course it works for you lmao

rigged game fr

[shut crater]

house always wins

[red flower]

skill issue

anyway, how are you testing it?

[paper trout]

i set it to other_joker and it still isnt working, would that be the right one?

[ashen niche]

oop i have a small brain i see what i did wrong

i forgot to edit it so it works with mults which is what i was testing it with smh

[shut crater]

if you get rid of the context check can you get it working at all

[quartz ravine]

Here's the answer of how to check to see if another joker was discovered

G.P_CENTERS["j_Fox_gumoss"].discovered

[paper trout]

i think like every part of this is broken 😭
if i get rid of the context check it says pass is 0 even when the other joker is popcorn
if i get rid of that check it goes:
breadverse (the joker i made): "Again!" (doesnt actually do anything)
popcorn +20 mult
breadverse: "Again!" (still doesnt do anything)

oh wait

the first one is probably it retriggering itself because i removed the check for what it should retrigger

[shut crater]

can you post updated code

[thin swift]

hey guys hope you are all doing great today. quick question, is there any way in this code to destroy every card but the first?

            if #context.full_hand > 1 and G.GAME.current_round.hands_played == 0 then
                -- something here to destroy every card but the first
                for i = 2, #context.full_hand do
                    destroy_card = #context.full_hand[i]
                    return {remove = true}
                end
            end
        end```

[paper trout]

ignore my cooked debug messages

[shut crater]

which of the cooked debug messages print?

[shut crater]

I imagine you want context to be context.after so that this triggers after scoring

[thin swift]

probably yeah, but right now its just destroying every card so i need a way to either select the cards, or just remove everything from the 2nd slot on in the full hand

[shut crater]

actually I've never looked at context.destroying_card, gimme a sec

[hallow relic]

is there a more recent tutorial on joker creation out there, or is the one at #⚙・modding-general the only one that's there

[paper trout]

all of them because I made the checks that didnt work into comments
before that it was everything before #3

[thin swift]

thank you! where would you be able to look up stuff like this?

[shut crater]

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki/Calculate-Functions

so based on the docs and a quick search through the Source Code™️ I would probably do something like this (also disclaimer, I've never used context.destroy_card so this may be totally wrong)

if context.destroy_card and context.cardarea == G.play and not context.destroy_card == context.full_hand[1] and not context.blueprint then
    return {remove = true}
end

[thin swift]

THANK YOU all i needed is to find out how to iterate in the array, and this is perfect

not sure if it works because im taking a break but its a good start

[shut crater]

you probably don't need to iterate the array

I think that's your whole calculate function

[thin swift]

oh true nvm that was stupid of me to say

[shut crater]

nah you're good

I also have no idea how this context works lol

[native zinc]

doing not == is less efficient

do context.destroy_card ~= context.full_hand[1]

[thin swift]

will try that too

[sage crater]

is this possible to do?

both the "add joker to your hand" and "+^1 Mult" effect

[thin swift]

thank you

[shut crater]

that was an oversight lol

[shut crater]

I believe Talisman adds exponential mult

adding a negative joker is definitely doable as well

[sage crater]

yeah, I've definitely done that

[shut crater]

oh wait this guy is moving between your jokers bar and your deck

that's wild

[paper trout]

bump

[sage crater]

yeah haha

[wise walrus]

when does the game recognize when an ante has been skipped? i thought the 'Skipped' text was what this was looking for but i guess not

[sage crater]

what mod lets you use a debug console?

[paper trout]

debugplus

[shut crater]

where did you find the docs for repetitions

[paper trout]

I couldnt find docs anywhere so i just looked at other mods and that's what most of them seem to do

[shut crater]

can you send a link to a mod that does it

[native zinc]

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki/Calculate-Functions

[brisk rose]

smods documentation is extremely incomplete

but it's much better than it used to be

[shut crater]

there's nothing on the calculate page about joker repetitions

I looked

[native zinc]

oh joker repetitions

i don't think that's exactly most doable without demicolon?

[shut crater]

there's builtin SMODS support

it's an optional feature

[native zinc]

interesting

[unborn bay]

context.retrigger_joker

[shut crater]

I've seen other people use it but I've never messed with it

[paper trout]

cryptid does here (i think im allowed to post this cause its just chilling in the mods folder but if not then oops)

[shut crater]

that looks like playing card retriggers, no?

[brisk rose]

sharing mod's code is fine

just not unaltered balatro code according to the rules

[native zinc]

all mods are under the license

[shut crater]

open source, baby

[brisk rose]

that is a major point of contention

[paper trout]

shoot maybe i dont really play cryptid enough to know what most of the jokers do lemme try to find canvas or smth that i know does

[brisk rose]

whether gpl3 works like that or not

[native zinc]

i don't really want that legal debate lmaop

[brisk rose]

I want it too but I don't understand the argyments well enough to say for sure

[native zinc]

just assume Yes and move on

[brisk rose]

me neither

[native zinc]

looking at the smods code it looks like its just

if context.retrigger_joker_check and not context.retrigger_joker and context.other_card == ?? then
return {
repetitions = card.ability.extra.retriggers,
}
end

[shut crater]

also I wrote the code that fixes negative chips and mult, what should I do so that it gets into SMODS by default lol

[paper trout]

well canvas uses context.retrigger_joker_check which i dont see in the steamodded docs so it might be custom

[shut crater]

^

[ashen niche]

smt is wrong with my joker image initialization help a stupid fellow out

[hasty mist]

how do i retrigger all cards of a specific suit?

[paper trout]

ok it works now, still need to make the checks work tho

maybe that fixed them too :clueless:
nope

[sage crater]

bump

[eager pendant]

Can you tell me what the problem is?

[shut crater]

I thought we answered that, which effect are you still asking about?

[sage crater]

adding a joker into your deck

[shut crater]

I mean it's certainly possible

[red flower]

check for other_card:is_suit in context.repetition

and return repetitions = number

[sage crater]

ok fantastic. That's all I needed as motivation 🫡

[red flower]

k_fut_collection

[eager pendant]

Thanks, I'll give it a try

[brisk rose]

mwybe look at betmma's "balatro moble" joker or whatever it's called

[shut crater]

the draw_card function might be a good place to start

[paper trout]

ok anyone know how to fix the other problems?
summary:
the 2 checks i commented out aren't working, the thing that prints context.other_card seems fine but the thing that prints blueprint_compatible says nil no matter whether it is or not, and the thing that prints pass says 0 no matter whether it's a food card or not

[native zinc]

wrong chat

[paper trout]

also, i cant help with the actual code since i am very inexperienced at that, but conceptually maybe you could make an enhancement that makes it look like the joker, add a card with that enhancement on blind select, destroy the joker on blind select, and add the joker when you play the card?
i guess that wouldnt keep the joker editions tho

[shut crater]

jokers can just go in your deck

all cards are cards in Balatro which is terrifying

[hasty mist]

look at aikoyoris shenanigan's freedom deck and entropy's define card, both do similar things

[shut crater]

it'll definitely break magnificently if you try to play a joker from your hand unless you write some custom logic

[sage crater]

is that within #1209506514763522108 ?

[sage crater]

fire

[sage crater]

that was my first guess too lol

[paper trout]

oh thats really funny

[brisk rose]

#1225831216939536394

[sage crater]

oh, it is that one. cool

[shut crater]

I would probably actually not do it that way and try putting the actual joker in your deck and writing it whatever functions it needs to act as a playing card

but I'm also not sane

[sage crater]

this code is wild to read

not bad... but a bit hard

[opal spade]

i tried doing that and i've got it to work one way (jokers in play areas) but not the other

[opal spade]

but it requires a bunch of rewriting of bettercalc so unless anyone feels like doing that i would advise to not do that

[sage crater]

I assume this is the part I'm looking for in adding a card to your deck?

[opal spade]

it would crash the game if tried as is because jokers dont have ranks or suits

[shut crater]

that's adding something to G.jokers

[brisk rose]

I think this just puts it in the normal joker cardarea

[sage crater]

even the card2:add_to_deck()?

[brisk rose]

deck is a decieving word on balatro

[shut crater]

right but you can just give a joker the fields/functions that playing cards game

[sage crater]

ah 😔

[shut crater]

all cards everywhere are the deck

[opal spade]

add_to_deck executes the effect joker gives when obtained

[shut crater]

well all the ones the palyer owns

[brisk rose]

tbh I'm not sure balatro mobile is technically shuffled into deck

but it could be if it wanted to be, lol

[sage crater]

ah ok, thanks

[brisk rose]

it can go in the card play area

[opal spade]

you need to give joker no_rank, no_suit (any_suit?) and always_scores, although i dont remember if playing card calc is hardcoded for enhancements or not

[sage crater]

would I be doing something like card.area = G.deck?

[shut crater]

did you look at the draw_card function

[sage crater]

no

[shut crater]

it seems to be how vanilla moves cards between cardareas

[paper trout]

bump

[shut crater]

I been digging through the Source™️ to try and decipher how context.retrigger_joker_check works

[sage crater]

what file is that within the lua dir?

[hasty mist]

the plant haters rejoice

[ashen niche]

🙏

[shut crater]

common_events, though I would strongly recommend opening your whole mods folder in vscode so you can shift+F search the whole codebase

[sage crater]

currently on a different computer than the one I mod the game on

[shut crater]

brother I teach computer science principles, I know better than to open a stranger's zip file

nor do I particularly want to

but if you sent code snippets I will gladly help debug

[brisk rose]

have a feeling you are comparing the keys incorrectly for issue 2

[paper trout]

probably

[opal spade]

playing card calc doesnt do calculate on things that arent playing cards so you'd have to figure that out

[paper trout]

but idk what the right way is lol

[brisk rose]

and i'm not sure that's where blueprint_compat lives

[brisk rose]

so I guess you don't DL mods?

unless you can see the repo

[shut crater]

I mean yeah

I also haven't downloaded many mods

[paper trout]

i originally had smth with .config.center which is how vanilla seems to do it but that just returned false every time, i switched to this cause someone else said to try but neither works lol

[brisk rose]

I use linux so I'm unconcerned about malware, but fair

[brisk rose]

to clarify I'm undo no dissilusion that malware on linux is impossible or even tricky to make and propogate

it's just not common enough to be a major target in the consumer space

[paper trout]

now it's just returning true for everything 💀

changed it back

[brisk rose]

I simply do not have experience actually modding in earnest

so i'd be shooting in the dark as much as you

[paper trout]

well i gotta sleep thanks everyone who tried to help

[brisk rose]

well... i can read documentation :P

[shut crater]

there is no documentation on joker retriggers

there is only Source

[brisk rose]

np :3 hope you sleep well and figure it out soon

[brisk rose]

perhaps, but rn he was doing basic debugging of how to detect a food joker

[shut crater]

ah

yeah I need to stop looking at this code lol

[brisk rose]

and if it was blueprint compatible

[shut crater]

I cannot wrap my brain around the call order of retriggers

[brisk rose]

as in was listed as such

[shut crater]

gotcha

[brisk rose]

yeah I haven't the foggiest, lol

[shut crater]

I fixed negative chips/mult though so that was a big w

[brisk rose]

ayyy nice

[shut crater]

they're simply broken in default SMODS

so I made a post with the fix in the server

idk if that was the right place for it though lol

[brisk rose]

if you're confident in it you could make a pr on github

[shut crater]

that is probably the correct thing to do but that also sounds like a lot of work

[brisk rose]

I mean if you have the code done it's just cloning, pasting your code in, commit/pushing, then opening a PR with a semi cogent description

what could go wrong?

:P

[shut crater]

fine, you've convinced me

[ashen niche]

tree .
├── assets
│   └── sample.png
├── localization
│   └── en-us.lua
├── main.lua
├── modules
│   ├── atlas.lua
│   └── joker.lua
└── smods.json
atlas.lua: ```SMODS.Atlas.new("custom_sprites_atlas", Sol.EAtlasMode.A_Directory, "assets/")

return {} main.lua:SMODS.Mod:new("chaotic_randomizer_mod"):init()

SMODS.load_localization("chaotic_randomizer_mod", "localization/en-us.lua")

require(SMODS.get_mod_path("chaotic_randomizer_mod") .. "/modules/atlas")

local chaotic_randomizer_joker = require(SMODS.get_mod_path("chaotic_randomizer_mod") .. "/modules/joker")

SMODS.Joker.register(chaotic_randomizer_joker)

why doesnt this load a texture for my joker 😭

[brisk rose]

don't forget to fork :P

[brisk rose]

this.... doesn't even look like smods code?

did you use chat gpt?

[ashen niche]

wdym i copied it from a different mod that worked idk...

it worked on my other mod

🤷‍♂️

[brisk rose]

when a year ago? if that's smods code, it's ancient

[ashen niche]

lol

i guess ill read the api 🥀

[brisk rose]

yeah, would reccomend

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki/

[ashen niche]

yh ik where to find it i aint that dumb 😭

ty btw

😄

[brisk rose]

lol, just tryomg tgo be helpful

the wiki is actually kinda hard to find tbh

[lucid owl]

if you're using ai to make a joker, don't, it has no idea how SMODS works

[willow plinth]

then read it maybe? lmao

[hasty mist]

are there any mods that add a true color inversion shader? (negative isn't true color inversion)

[brisk rose]

That's probably one is the easier shaders to code

If you don't mind trueblack

[hasty mist]

yeahh

[hasty mist]

to hell with design rules

[brisk rose]

Based

[hasty mist]

im not at my computer so ill have to learn tomorrow

but i was just wondering how easy it was

[lucid owl]

i think negative used to be true inversion but then it was discovered that some couple jokers look like a very very racist, old practice when true-inverted

[hasty mist]

yeah well my implementation wouldn't ever be used on jokers anyways

Only boss blinds

[lucid owl]

dw i wasn't trying to dissuade, just throwing a little tidbit of info out there

[sturdy compass]

Huh, interesting

[hasty mist]

I'm creating a joker which inverts the effects of boss blinds, and i need to code a brand new boss blind for every single vanilla and as many modded ones as i can manage for it

the general color for each blind is inverted

[lucid owl]

that's sick ngl

[hasty mist]

and when i learn how to utilize the atlases correctly, the blind token will apply the shader to it too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1360447253604470956/1368806794943795251/2025-05-04_21-27-47.mp4?ex=6819902b&is=68183eab&hm=1f297ca2b6e66962acb7a27b9180725334e7388fd494004e873545c1f328c3fc&

Here's an example

Currently the token uses a placeholder sprite

but ideally, it'll have the same sprite as the plant, but inverted

the blinds I've already implemented so far are: the clock, the shard, the manacle, the wall, the serpent, the goad, the head, the club, the window, the plant

[sturdy compass]

Oh my

That is ambitious

[hasty mist]

yep!

joker so big it needs its own lua file

[sturdy compass]

Imagine not having individual lua files for every joker anyways

[hasty mist]

you what

[brisk rose]

Ngl glsl looks like a bitch and I'd almost be tempted to try to use psuedo-shaders using love.graphics methods and get the game/smods to somehow treat them as real shaders when i get around to modding

[hasty mist]

I used to have my entire code in a single lua file but i reluctantly switched to multiple files pretty recently

[brisk rose]

But that'd probably be way more of a pain anyway

[hasty mist]

oh dear god

What is that directory viewing thing though

looks extremely useful

(I'm quite new to vscode)

[sturdy compass]

The one on the right?

[hasty mist]

the left

where you can see all your files

[sturdy compass]

Oh literally the list lol

Do you not open your mod folder with vsc?

[hasty mist]

I just open individual files and keep them in tabs

i am new to coding

only began coding a month ago or so

[sturdy compass]

Forgot stickers got axed

Bruh

[hasty mist]

LOL

i saw Markiplier

[sturdy compass]

Anyways in your file explorer, right click the folder and “Open with VS Code”

[hasty mist]

that will be very useful

thank you

[lucid owl]

i ❤️ having separate files for almost every single item

[brisk rose]

Yeah I think you lose most of the benefits of using something approaching an ide that way

[brisk rose]

I've never used anything like that outside of college myself

Bit I'mma need to suck it up to properly code and mod

[hasty mist]

i used to have every item use it's own atlas but that got extremely annoying extremely fast

especially when i started making exotic jokers

[sturdy compass]

That is terrifying

[lucid owl]

Lucky-Rabbit/content/<item type>/<item name>.lua my goat

[lucid owl]

what the fuck

[hasty mist]

i might switch to the per item approach tbh

my joker code is extremely messy anyways

[lucid owl]

just have like 6 atlases, one for each item type

[sturdy compass]

Maximus/items/<item type>/<item name>.lua my beloved

[brisk rose]

Per item atlases used to be very common

Some mods still use them

[lucid owl]

technically card markings use the Decks atlas because i was too lazy to separate them lol

[hasty mist]

one lua file, one atlas per item, i am SO glad I don't do that anymore

[sturdy compass]

Doing file-per-item makes navigation FAR more manageable

[brisk rose]

I think you can just make a loop to initialize all of them from the filename

[lucid owl]

speaking of card markings #ShamelessPlug new card modifier type called markings coming soon in v1.1.0 #1342484578236895274

[hasty mist]

it seems pretty tedious to manually add each new item to the load list in the main lua file though

[sturdy compass]

Not really tbh

[lucid owl]

the time saved from not having to scroll around a file with 3k lines is absolutely amazing

[sturdy compass]

My method is keeping an array of file names in my main.lua and looping through that array in the loading function

[brisk rose]

I'm in both minds about it still tbh

[sturdy compass]

So in reality all I have to maintain when adding something new is a string in the array

[lucid owl]

i'm evil and have just been stacking on function by function into main.lua so it's a mess, i'll make a utilities folder eventually

[hasty mist]

yeah definitely

[plain apex]

me who has literally everything except blinds and the modicon on the same atlas

[hasty mist]

i just have a lib.lua file for functions and variables

[brisk rose]

Which you could add with a bash, python, or likewise script if you were so inclined

[sturdy compass]

That is also terrifying

[lucid owl]

i think i'd lose my mind having to count the exact units until an item's pos

[hasty mist]

this was probably the hardest thing ive coded thus far (except for my factorial mult joker), this took HOURS of headaches

[lucid owl]

it's really funny to me that balatro's atlas indexes start at 0, and they're coded in a language whose arrays start at 1

[brisk rose]

Ngl though I love /looking/ at huge atlases

[sturdy compass]

I could do that but my adhd brain has an organization process for card collection order (and yes I maintain collection order via load order and not an order attribute lol)

[plain apex]

currently x2 y32

[native zinc]

atlas browsing is so fun

i wish i could make that big of an atlas

[hasty mist]

The way balatro handles atlas positions is EXTREMELY good, i absolutely love it

the x and y

It's extremely intuitive and simple

[native zinc]

i love the 0 indexing

[lucid owl]

it's great yeah

if only lua had 0 indexing 💔

[sturdy compass]

Atlases have zero indexing tho!

[hasty mist]

i just wish atlases other than boss blinds natively supported animations

i hate having to use the jimball method

[sturdy compass]

Oh no

You don’t know

[plain apex]

woe massive atlas of everything be upon you

[hasty mist]

it's so tall

[lucid owl]

hello peter

welcome to fortnite

[native zinc]

its so tall

ig my atlas implies i'm making 200 jokers

which

no

[plain apex]

aww come on you could make 200 jokers

[hasty mist]

In an earlier dev build of Astronomica i had an animated spectral card with 100 frames, ALL of which were on the same Y pos

[plain apex]

wow

[lucid owl]

a lot of stuff isn't implemented yet but the lucky rabbit atlas is great

[hasty mist]

pomni

peak

[lucid owl]

but what i really prefer is the silly card atlas, my beloved

[sturdy compass]

If you set up an atlas like this, it will loop through each x index on the y it is given

[unborn bay]

this my friends.... is peak

[hasty mist]

works on blinds, not on cards

[sturdy compass]

Oh bruh

[hasty mist]

Yeah, exactly

LMAO

[unborn bay]

cards dont use AnimatedSprite lmaoaoaoaoao

[sturdy compass]

Ah

[unborn bay]

you have to do the animating part yourself

[sturdy compass]

That would explain it

[plain apex]

yeah for cards you gotta do a bunch of weird stuff

[native zinc]

for a "balanced, hopefully" mod i don't think i could take balancing 200 jokers

[sturdy compass]

I’ve done jimball method before but only once so I wouldn’t know

[lucid owl]

peep the 3d hand for terminal velocity

[plain apex]

epic

[hasty mist]

Meaning i have to do this monstrosity

[plain apex]

atleast you aren't doing soul animations

[lucid owl]

delta time 😨😨😨

[sturdy compass]

Anyways here’s this rather large joker spritesheet (still unfinished!!)

[hasty mist]

yeah, looked at gateway's code once and almost had a stroke

[sturdy compass]

Most of which are not yet released

[hasty mist]

I think the most egregious thing I've done so far is call every single context in smods in a single joker

[plain apex]

what did you call every single context for?

[lucid owl]

this guy took unreasonably long to get working but it looks SO good

[hasty mist]

A joker that scales whenever anything happens

[sturdy compass]

I miss my stickers :(

[lucid owl]

what happened to the stickers 💔

[hasty mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1360447253604470956/1364065053824913511/image.png?ex=68197393&is=68182213&hm=5f7630fff1dcb1c56f29ff3f6d9f9fc0b556989099b800fb707badb6751dc00a&

[sturdy compass]

I hope you realized omitting any sort of context check got you that functionality lol

[plain apex]

ah yeah that would probably suck lol

[hasty mist]

I had to exclude some of them because they're broken or annoying

like context.cry_press

or context individual

[sturdy compass]

An exclusion list sounds much more manageable wouldn’t you agree? 😭

[sturdy compass]

Thunk happened

[hasty mist]

Keep in mind i only started coding a month ago

[lucid owl]

ruling with an iron fist

[hasty mist]

OH

[plain apex]

behold clickbait thumbnail

[hasty mist]

i also created my own global variables for pi and euler because i didn't know math.pi existed

[lucid owl]

2.172782u171 or whatever

[sturdy compass]

Oh hey another soyjoker

[hasty mist]

please excuse the horrible screenshot im on mobile

[sturdy compass]

You scare me

[lucid owl]

the developers yearn for chudjoker

[hasty mist]

This was the second joker i ever coded btw

[sturdy compass]

You are incredibly ambitious for a new coder lmao

[hasty mist]

This was the first

All it is is blueprint that aims leftward s

Most of this code is copied from old blueprint in cryptid though

But it's heavily modified

[hasty mist]

thank you! :3

I like making weird and unique stuff

[sturdy compass]

I’m very glad you took it as a compliment because it was very much intended as one

[plain apex]

3rd thing i coded for my mod is far too long to send even if i zoom all the way out 💀

[hasty mist]

I also added a uhh

Direct Score addition mechanic for jokers

Only issue is

it's all hardcoded

and i tried migrating it to it's own function but i didn't know how

[sturdy compass]

My old joker code is soooooooo long 😭

Not as long as that tho jfc

[hasty mist]

multiple jokers use this btw, so the code has to basically be copied and pasted for every single one

I also created this monstrosity

[sturdy compass]

WHAT

[plain apex]

what is that for?

[sturdy compass]

Why is that table so LARGE

[hasty mist]

this is all the code for the joker that scales for every possible context, i had to define each context twice because i wanted the upgrade screen to specifically not show up for every card discarded, but still upgrade for each

[lavish lake]

It is what is needed for thy ability.

[plain apex]

he has alot of things he can do

like 15 different things that can happen when you meet the 1/13

[sturdy compass]

Someone wanted me to make a Spider Joker that gave +8 mult “for every spider” (when in reality it was just a 1/10 chance in disguise)

[daring fern]

It's not even finished yet.

[sturdy compass]

[plain apex]

wild

[hasty mist]

oh my fucking god i love this

[sturdy compass]

This is definitely a seals on everything feature

[plain apex]

and each one has thier own sound effect so before coding even starts theres this massive line of sounds as well lol

[hasty mist]

this is all the code (so far) for my joker that inverts the effects of every boss blind

this is only a fraction of how large its gonna be too

in its finished state itll be roughly 30-50 times longer

since i need to code a brand new boss blind for EVERY single boss blind

[rapid stag]

i mean, you can just do SMODS.Sound:register_global() if you don't have anything whose key isn't the same as its filename... right? or am i wrong. because i'm pretty sure that will just do all that

[native zinc]

you know when you read your old code and go "what the hell are you doing"

[native zinc]

sob. just return it normally

[hasty mist]

also, for my factorial joker, i did something really stupid

i have two different functions for factorials

exact computation and a less accurate formula

[plain apex]

idk i didn't even know that was a thing i've been doing that with every sound i add to the mod 💀

[hasty mist]

i use exact computation for smaller numbers (3 to 720), and the faster, less accurate formula for larger numbers (above e1000)

[plain apex]

all 73 of them added in that way

[lavish lake]

the fuck??? i thought factorials were not made this way

[sage crater]

any reason this isn't working? ```lua
SMODS.Joker {

key = "firstBrother",
loc_txt = {
    name = "El Primero Hermano",
    text = {"The oldest.", "{C:red}X1{} mult for each Brother Joker you have", "(Currently {C:red}X#1#{})"}
},
atlas = "dexsJokers",
pos = { -- 0,0 placeholder
    x = 0,
    y = 0
},
cost = 1,
discovered = true,
config = {
    extra = {
        Xmult = 2
    }
},
loc_vars = function(self, info_queue, card)
    return {
        vars = {card.ability.extra.Xmult}
    }
end,
calculate = function(self, card, context)
    if context.joker_main then
        return {
            Xmult = card.ability.extra.Xmult
        }
    end
    -- card.ability.extra.Xmult = 1 + #find_joker('secondBrother') + #find_joker('thirdBrother') +
    --                                #find_joker("fourthBrother") + #find_joker("fifthBrother")
end

}

[hasty mist]

the code actually switches from small to large depending on the number

[native zinc]

are you using stirlings

[hasty mist]

wdym?

[lavish lake]

arent factorials like 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 or something

or am i just stupid

[hasty mist]

for the approximation method yes

[native zinc]

runtem imagine factorialing 3054

it will take forever

this is approximation

[lavish lake]

oh so it's like an approximation function

[hasty mist]

for the exact computation i use the more accurate computation

[hasty mist]

function UTIL_TABLE.small_factorial(n) is for numbers below ~e1000, function UTIL_TABLE.efactorial(n) is for numbers above ~e1000

[native zinc]

makes sense

[hasty mist]

keep in mind this was the second joker i ever coded

[native zinc]

that's actually quite impressive that you defined functions so quickly

[brisk rose]

why do I have to be a computer nerd whon hates math 🙏

[sage crater]

bump

[hasty mist]

The reason i don't use stirling's approximation for every number is because with smaller numbers its inaccurate and trigegrs my ocd

[native zinc]

people like you are the reason why forge has 30 lines of code that approximate 1

[hasty mist]

for example, 3! is 5.6 instead of 6

[brisk rose]

like.... sometimes I have an acedemic interest in the qualitative trivia of math

[daring fern]

Try lowercase xmult

[hasty mist]

but for larger numbers it doesnt matter because its all scientific notation anyways

[brisk rose]

and I did well in school

but i'm not a fucking calculator, I was barely made to do sums let alone calculus

[sturdy compass]

Use SMODS.find_card instead of find_joker (and don’t for get j_<mod key>_<card key>)

[native zinc]

personally i think doing anything above e10 with no stirling is a bit ridiculous

but you should round the number to the nearest int

[hasty mist]

perhaps

[hasty mist]

this is the exact code, I think it is actually quite lower

this basically sets your Xmult to the factorial of your current Xmult at the end of the round

it's also demicolon compatible!

We love demicolon

[native zinc]

i really like math jokers but my mods naming gimmick makes it hard to put any in

like this is a bit of a stretch already

this joker is secretly xChips

[hasty mist]

I was considering adding diagonalization to my mod but it would be too overpowered, even by most op mod's standards

[native zinc]

diagonalisation lmfao

[lucid owl]

it'd probably be so fun to do math jokers if i ever actually wanted to do math outside of school

[hasty mist]

(those who know, know)

[lucid owl]

shit, that reminds me of my algebra 2 homework i still never did

[thin swift]

does anybody know how to force a hand to be debuffed?

[brisk rose]

🅱️alculus 🅱️algebra and 🅱️rigonometry

[lucid owl]

it's 11pm on a sunday i'm just not going to do it 🥀

[brisk rose]

🅱️arithmaitc

[lucid owl]

my algebra period is 2nd period so maybe i can lock in in biology

[hasty mist]

to explain diagonalization scaling:
f(1) = 1
f(2) = 2
f(3) = 3^^7625597484987

[lucid owl]

what the fuck

[hasty mist]

f(4) is basically unfathomable

[plain apex]

🅱️alatro

[lucid owl]

man i just now got to logarithms wtf is diagonalization

[hasty mist]

basically n{n}n where {n} is the number of arrows

[cerulean bane]

im sorry POLTERWORX who?
This is just pure number vomit

[hasty mist]

f(1000) is quite easily bigger than omeganum

or at least

[sturdy compass]

LMFAO

[lucid owl]

at a certain point the numbers don't even mean anything the game is just impossible to lose

[hasty mist]

what omeganum's "limit" is displayed as ingame

[brisk rose]

you need a joker called Bunny... who's just a bunny

[hasty mist]

yeah

That's why I've held off on implementing diagonalization

[karmic arch]

🅱️ystic 🅱️ummit

[lucid owl]

i still don't fully comprehend omeganum but i've also never bothered reading how it works when i was anything but tired out of my mind

[native zinc]

making a joker where it's ↑↑↑...↑↑↑N Mult where N is the amount of chips mod 3

the mod 3 is very important

[lucid owl]

wtf is the arrow

[thin swift]

chat is this joker fair?

        name = 'We Do Some Trolling', 
        text = {
            '{C:red}+69{} Mult, {X:mult,C:white}X10{} Mult',
            '{C:red}1 in 10 chance every blind{}',
            '{C:red}selected that the game ends{}'
        }
    },```

[sturdy compass]

I just realized I have a math joker that’s compliant with Bountiful’s “B” name scheme lol

[brisk rose]

I have talisman for mod depend reasons, but play on vanillia scoring

[regal ether]

we should have an emote like but it says True... instead

[hasty mist]

i wanna implement like a joker with 10 arrows or something but the values are so infinitesimally tiny that it's still only common worthy

[true glen]

why is the mod here not using the assets from the 1x and 2x folders

[lavish lake]

I hate modders that just use variables for XMult/Mult/Chips. Like there is a reason that LocalThunk put (Currently: x) at the end of his jokers instead of this bullshit

[hasty mist]

can i see the atlas and joker code?

[brisk rose]

did you put the atlas= "atlaskey"

and the positioning values

[native zinc]

i don't think (Currently: x) works in this one

[lucid owl]

from time to time i play cryptid just to see how high i can get the number and at a certain point it doesn't even register in my mind, my comprehension of numbers stops at 1e308 and my only measure of scale is that a billion is too many to have of anything

[native zinc]

i do want a binomial dist. joker

[hasty mist]

I'm also implementing a joker that utilizes the collatz conjecture

[native zinc]

not sure what it'd do

[hasty mist]

for the math nerds here

[brisk rose]

it'd uh.... dance around while scoring if it worked

[lavish lake]

X2.99874 mult

[brisk rose]

and just be nonsense

[sturdy compass]

That’s what the “approximately” is for lol

[brisk rose]

your joker needs the atlas stuff on it

wait

[native zinc]

yeah lmao i think hes reading the joker wrong

[brisk rose]

I forgot

[brisk rose]

forgot I can't read

it's the first thing on the joker page

that's optiona;

which is what I actually forgot

idk how it works if you don't use it? Just have filenames for each joker which match their key?

[hasty mist]

for those unaware, the collatz conjecture kinda looks like this

[brisk rose]

or is it only optional as in it'll boot without it?

but you get jimbo

[lavish lake]

New joker idea:
Robber
Takes 5$ from you every round.
-# Fuck you.

[sage crater]

didn't seem to work, and now my game is crashing when I buy the joker lol

[native zinc]

fun fact about the collatz conjecture if you write it in base 3 it becomes computationally easier

[sage crater]

crash report:

[native zinc]

unfortunately there aren't very many ternary computers around nowadays

[lavish lake]

fun fact about the collatz conjecture if you write it in base 1 it becomes computationally easier

[sage crater]

how tf do you write anything in base 1?

[daring fern]

It's SMODS.find_card not just find_card

[sage crater]

ah, thanks

[lavish lake]

uhh

repeated 1s

[native zinc]

i doubt the truthfulness of this claim

[hasty mist]

it's kinda crazy how the only reason ternary computers aren't more widespread is because they're hard to develop for and manufacture parts for

on paper, they're more powerful and more power efficient

[sage crater]

crazy is a weird way of typing logical

[sturdy compass]

Real

[lavish lake]

uhh here's 20$ 💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸

[regal ether]

but it adds those to its sell value or something... hmmmm

[native zinc]

make a ternary computer solely for collatz conjecture brute forcing

[lavish lake]

it's a cursed joker so it doesnt offer any benefit

hell it doesnt even adjust for the rental tag

[regal ether]

ohhh ok

[plain apex]

fun fact about the collatz conjecture i have absolutely no idea what that even is

[lavish lake]

fun fact about the collatz conjecture The Collatz conjecture[a] is one of the most famous unsolved problems in mathematics. The conjecture asks whether repeating two simple arithmetic operations will eventually transform every positive integer into 1. It concerns sequences of integers in which each term is obtained from the previous term as follows: if a term is even, the next term is one half of it. If a term is odd, the next term is 3 times the previous term plus 1. The conjecture is that these sequences always reach 1, no matter which positive integer is chosen to start the sequence. The conjecture has been shown to hold for all positive integers up to 2.95×1020, but no general proof has been found.

[native zinc]

uhhh the maths is that 1020 -> 10201 for odds and 210102 -> 101201 for evens. the /2 function for base 3 is a trivially easy mapping with only one required stored value

it would be significantly faster computationally but the downside is it's a ternary computer

[sage crater]

ah, thanks. It works now!

[hasty mist]

why don't they just do x0 +1, are they stupid? /s

[regal ether]

ture...

[plain apex]

i failed math multiple times so thats how i would do it if i was to do something with the collatz conjecture lol

[hasty mist]

but yeah, this is generally how the conjecture works in practice

[true glen]

woops

[hasty mist]

happens to the best of us

[lavish lake]

Cmon, if we're talking about integers in the collatz conjecture, why not we try infinity? I mean, it never changes to 1

[hasty mist]

i still lose sleep over missing commas

[sturdy compass]

Calling infinity an integer is a stretch

[true glen]

sure wish VS flagged that as an error 🪦

[native zinc]

infinity is not an integer

[lavish lake]

uhhh... here's 20$ again💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸

[true glen]

oh well its not crashing anymore at least

[hasty mist]

but yeah my joker idea was to take an input (for example, money), and take the "steps" as chips, and the "highest" as mult

would be pretty complicated though

[true glen]

we have went from square -1 to square 0

[native zinc]

wow...i have... 40 dollars... this is the most money i have had in my life as a math professor

[thin swift]

can somebody let me know why this is debuffing every hand?

            for i, v in pairs(context.full_hand) do
                v:set_debuff(true)
            end
            return {
                message = "devastating."
            }
        end```

[lavish lake]

is this a roleplay now

[plain apex]

balatro when i ask to get 25% of infinity because i ate pizza

[native zinc]

no i was making fun of bad teachers paychecks

[shut crater]

naneinf is not a pizza

[native zinc]

you can win a naneinf blind with mr bones right

[hasty mist]

this seems insanely overpowered unless im misunderstanding

[lavish lake]

beans are not 5

[hasty mist]

can't you just always reach the blind requirement in 4 hands or less?

[plain apex]

is it tho? its a consumable

[hasty mist]

ohh

still seems pretty crazy

[native zinc]

i cannot believe that pizza is consumeable i thought it was inedible this entire time

[hasty mist]

perkeo and a few blueprints with this would be crazy

[plain apex]

true perkeo and blueprints could def make pizza very op

[true glen]

you should stop eating at pizza hut then

[native zinc]

yeah that's on me

[sturdy compass]

I yearn for the day someone gets a Perkeo and beats Ophiucus in my mod (Ophiucus puts a negative Soul in your consumable slot when you beat it lol)

[hasty mist]

me with my unused testing joker that reduces the blind requirement to 0

[plain apex]

if you reach naninf and had perkeo and pizza you could just play an infinite game

because 25% of infinity is still infinity

[true glen]

any reason why the texture for this still isn't doing anything

[native zinc]

naneinf < nan

that wouldn't work

[sturdy compass]

What does your atlas object look like

[thin swift]

this is what my atlas key is like

SMODS.Atlas{
    key = 'Jokers', --atlas key
    path = 'jokers.png', --atlas' path in (yourMod)/assets/1x or (yourMod)/assets/2x
    px = 71, --width of one card
    py = 95 -- height of one card
}

[plain apex]

?

[true glen]

sorry i forgot what an object was my brain doesnt work

[hasty mist]

why are there so many card areas what do those do lol

[plain apex]

stuff with other mods lol

[hasty mist]

i don't like how they're not aligned

[plain apex]

bottom right is spells above that is abilities (both by betemma) and above that is horoscopes (from maximus)

[hasty mist]

ah

betmma's mods are always crashfests for me

[thin swift]

change atlas here to "testmod"

[hasty mist]

spells and abilities just straight up don't work

[brisk rose]

they already did?

scrool down

[thin swift]

oh my bad

yeah then idk

[true glen]

well shit

[sage crater]

he's beautiful

[brisk rose]

screenshot your assets folders

[hasty mist]

what does +^1 mean exactly

[sage crater]

is there a way to change the effect a joker has when you pick it up?
I'm trying to do a "when you pick up this joker for the 1st,2nd,3rd time" thing

[sage crater]

^2 mult

[hasty mist]

ah

[sage crater]

I guess since it doesn't scale I can just write ^2 lol

[brisk rose]

and you're sure that you still aren't hiding extensions?

[true glen]

nope

oh wait

yes

yes i am sure

[sage crater]

so I know that pressing alt+f5 is supposed to reset your game, but sometimes it doesn't work. Anyone know why this is?

[sage crater]

reduced the description for clarity

[brisk rose]

why does this change anything?

it'd look the same if extensions were hidden and it was named smods.png.png

I mean testmod

unless that's some other ui element, lol

[true glen]

i am not hiding extensions

[hasty mist]

If you want to be consistent with other mods that add exponentiation, I'd recommend using {X:dark_edition, C:white} for the ^2

[brisk rose]

okay, sorry, just never know sometimes

[true glen]

its alright

[sage crater]

oh, neat! I didn't know there was already a precedent

but makes sense

[tall wharf]

unrelated but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg-qfsKN2_E

[hasty mist]

yep!

[sage crater]

WAIT I know this song

I didn't realize it was called Roki lol

very good song. Fun bop :]

what's the badge for negative?

can I find it in the docs somewhere in steammodded?

[faint yacht]

"badge"?

[sage crater]

I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure this thing hanging off the side that gives you more information on a topic related to the description is called a badge

[brisk rose]

that's the tool tip

the badge is the name for the thing that says uncommon

there's badhes for rarities, mods, and people also use them for credits sometimes

[faint yacht]

info_queue[#info_queue + 1] = G.P_CENTERS.e_negative

[brisk rose]

yeah sometimes i call tooltips info queues, but I don't know how sementically sound that is

or i guess more likely 'info queue box"

aka where the mod badges for the things they describe should go

so they actually get to exist

[sturdy compass]

Seals also have badges for some reason lol

[brisk rose]

and you can see where every enhancement, edition, seal, sticker, whatever comes from that goes into a card

[brisk rose]

true

[brisk rose]

in a many multiple mods setup, like I play, this would be very nice

I've asked the smods folks about it

eremel says he'll look into it

[sage crater]

ohh ok

Any ideas as to why Playing Loki gives {X:dark_edition, C:white}^2{} Mult. doesn't make the text white properly?

[hasty mist]

maybe try removing the space?

[sage crater]

oh hey, that worked. Thanks!

[hasty mist]

ofc!

[lavish lake]

If you have 4 perkeo triggers every round and you're copying this, its just ez win

[plain apex]

well what can i really do about it other than hope the players dont get a bunch of perkeo triggers

[sage crater]

maybe make it 25% of the remaining chip amount?

that won't stop a 3x blueprint + perkeo setup from trivializing all blinds, but it will stop it from outright winning everytime

[plain apex]

but then it wouldn't ever win would it?

[brisk rose]

tbh balatro, to me, is a game of keeping up with scaling

not novel strategy

[plain apex]

i do like the concept of being like 25% of the blind off and knowing you can't score that but luckily you have the pizza to get you that bit

[brisk rose]

blinds should be trivial if you're scoring high enough

[true glen]

humans arent supposed to be doing this

[brisk rose]

I know bro

though they might have a better shot if their retinas weren't burnt out

[plain apex]

what if it like spoiled over time? and like when the round ends if you don't use it it goes from 25% to less?

so like if you were just duping it with perkeo it would get worse?

would that work?

[hasty mist]

or maybe you could make it only work once per blind

[wintry solar]

I think if people want to set up an interaction so they can click use four times to negate the game that’s on them

[sage crater]

I don’t see why your end goal should be allowing the player to guarantee win off a consumable, but alright

[plain apex]

i mean its not guaranteed?

its just a thing that would help?

[sage crater]

Your example would be a guaranteed win lol

[plain apex]

you still had to get the other 75% though through actual good plays not a guarenteed win

[sage crater]

Sure, but rule #1 of game design is that humans will optimize the fun out of a game. It feels lazy to leave that tantalizing, fun-ruining mechanic in the game when there are good solutions to fixing it

[plain apex]

like if you have 1 pizza and you dont have dupes or anything you use it thats it just 25% of the blind score one time

[brisk rose]

I mean.... the player owns the game once they're playing it, so design as you please, but dpn't tell the player how to have fun.

What I mean is, you can and probably should balance around your own mod, but also give players the optoon to turn things off it they feel like they'd make sense to be modular, even if those toggles would unbalance the game

[wintry solar]

I think perkeo is much more to blame here, it limits consumable design massively

Like the entire game is clearly designed around having 1 of each card available at once, perkeo completely changes that

[brisk rose]

the thing is imo that for all the people who have fun doing that shit, there's at least as many who can't be assed

who if they do break the game would do it with their own unique playstyle and stubborness

basically the type of people who don't do photochad

[true glen]

whats the width and height a joker sprite needs to be again i still dont understand how to actually get it to show in the game but im pretty sure without it the game will crash on startup

[sage crater]

I don’t disagree, but half of the fun of any game is restriction.
I can tell you from personal experience that all jokers being negative loses the fun factor really fast once you’ve hit ante 8.
Similarly, having jokers that give X100 mult and insanely high numbers just for the sake of it make the battle nonexistent, and thus the gameplay. (Both things I’ve messed around with in mods I’ve made lol)
I don’t disagree that a player should play how they want, but in order for the player to play, they need gameplay to interact with. And that requires challenge

[brisk rose]

I could break the game in a cheap and easy way that feels unfun to me

but I just... don't

because it'd be unfun

[sage crater]

71x95

[true glen]

ty

[brisk rose]

challenge is fine, but you don't hold all the cards

you could easily hold well under 1/20th of them in literal terms

[sage crater]

Ah shit, I gotta go to bed. It’s 4am lmao

Fun talk. I’ll be back sometime in the future to ask more modding related questions. Goodnight, y’all

[brisk rose]

sleep well :3

[plain apex]

like i think it feels fair if you dont count the possibility of duplicating it endlessly because its only going to help you on that one blind and you still had to score the rest yourself

[hasty mist]

i think it'd be great if it only worked once per round

[brisk rose]

it's like... someone could just debugplus through everything, like some of thse strats people worry about are that assininely irrelevent to balance

[native zinc]

personally i think both perkeo and observatory suck design wise

[brisk rose]

not saying that's nessacarily true here

i wasn't folowing the actual topic

but basically if someone wants to make a toy out of the game instead of playing the intended story mode, they will

and more power to them

[hasty mist]

perkeo is my fav vanilla joker, it just gets kinda op outside of vanilla

like perkeo + pointer is just a budget creative mode should you choose to utilize it that way

[brisk rose]

I think OP is when you're easily scoring more than 10,000,000 in ante 8, anything under than that tbh can be just like... what if all the jokers were actually good tho?

not op for their rarity

just good for it

which amounts in a higher power level

[native zinc]

i think perkeo is really weird because if you ever have a cryptid or something you just win the game

[brisk rose]

but ya gotta think nonlinearly

because blinds don't scale linearly anyway

[hasty mist]

personally, at least in my mod, i like to make super op stuff, but they have to be creative and hard to get (basically, can't get it without any challenge, and not something boring like x294828482 mult or whatever)

[native zinc]

i like making jokers that buff weaker vanilla jokers