💻・modding-dev

[brisk rose]

I remember applying shaders to deckbacks being a point of discussion back in the 0.98/early 1.0 days

[last sentinel]

Any examples of mods that have a deck that has the player start with >52 cards? having trouble implementing that for myself and want to see how others have done it

[brisk rose]

What exactly are you planning? #1228825966940393483 has XXL deck with 2 of everything

[daring heron]

oh yeah, i also was wondering how i could make a deck like checkered deck but with diamonds and clubs

[last sentinel]

basically, a 5th set of A-K with random suit and wild enhancement

[last sentinel]

thanks, ill check it out

[brisk rose]

Apparently that's what Argyle Deck from Too Many Decks is already

But that's not a reason not to have your own one in your mod

[daring heron]

mhm

dyk how?

[sleek siren]

How can I get a joker to act at the start of a blind?

[brisk rose]

Well either of us can just look at their code

[daring heron]

how do i look at the code again

[daring fern]

context.setting_blind?

[daring heron]

forgor

[sleek siren]

I'll give it a try! thanks! ^^

[daring heron]

but, does no one know how i can apply the foil shader to a deck?

thatd be a first lol

[brisk rose]

Here it is btw

Answer being just open it in a text editor or look directly at github

[daring heron]

how do i change this so it converts them into stamp cards instead of lucky?

[daring fern]

What is a stamp card?

[valid dove]

is stamp card a modded enhancement? if so change it to m_modprefix_stampkey

[native zinc]

m_[prefix]_stamp

[daring heron]

just a card with a stamp on it

[daring fern]

You mean a seal?

[native zinc]

do you mean a seal

[daring heron]

yeah

i always confuse those cuz irl theyre called stamps i think

[daring fern]

Do you want it to be a random seal or a specific seal?

[daring heron]

specific

just like

red seal or smth

[daring fern]

chosen:set_seal("Red")

[native zinc]

stamps are the sticky rectangles you put in the corner

[daring heron]

true

i barely use stamps

[native zinc]

seals help to close the envelope

they're Different

[daring heron]

wait how do you even get seals on cards

[native zinc]

standard packs, spectrals, and the joker

uhhhh

[cerulean bane]

spectrals usually let you do it yeah

[native zinc]

certificate

[shell timber]

certificate?

[native zinc]

ye

you should also be able to get them from Illusion but there's a bug and you can't actually

what's with all these thunks

[daring heron]

17 decks already lesgo

[native zinc]

i feel targeted with all these thunks . sm h

[daring heron]

damn

the thunks are local

[native zinc]

local thunk = {}

[daring heron]

now lemme see if my decks actually work cuz i havent tested like 8 of em

yall like my template sprite

[native zinc]

thunks on everything

[daring heron]

so real

[native zinc]

but that is a very silly placeholder sprite

i approve

[daring heron]

yay

now i gotta figure out how to add shaders to the decks

[tall wharf]

:3

[daring heron]

very :3

hey somethingcom i added seals on the :3

[karmic arch]

:3

[native zinc]

is every thunk one idea for the Think joker

if so im such a good contributor to xmult

[daring heron]

should i make a negative deck

negative playing cards work

[daring fern]

Yes.

[daring heron]

only 1 visual bug tho

[karmic arch]

Gains ^^0.01 for every 🤔 somethingcom place

[daring fern]

That would take way longer to count.

[karmic arch]

🤔

[daring heron]

why did it make the negative cards double negative

thats the only visual bug

[karmic arch]

New edition?

[daring heron]

it only happens the first time when you start up balatro

[daring fern]

No, your only applying the negative_shine

[daring heron]

and when you interact with literally anything it turns them back to normal

[daring heron]

i mean they work

just not visually

[daring fern]

Wait, no the front is negative but the back is only negative_shine

[daring heron]

??

if you click on any of them even it just makes them normal

[daring fern]

Playing cards are 2 different sprites.

[daring heron]

yeah

fair

[reef belfry]

how would you define a new key for the message variable

more specifically what is the "a" in something like a_xmult

[daring fern]

This?

[reef belfry]

oh so v_dictionary

yeah tnx

[sage crater]

Ironically very weak for the first 100, and then immediately after it gets immensely powerful

[daring heron]

does anyone know how i can add the foil/holo/poly/negative shader to some of my decks

[maiden phoenix]

Mayhaps check the docs on SMODS.Drawstep

[daring heron]

i tried, but it doesnt have enough information on how

for me at least

[maiden phoenix]

Check some mod that make use of it or the function Card:draw() in the vanilla code

[daring heron]

idunno how to get there

i just started modding 2 days ago lol

(and ive only been playing balatro for like a month)

[maiden phoenix]

Oh

[daring heron]

yeah

[maiden phoenix]

You know how to create SMODS object in the first place?

[daring heron]

i know how to make a deck

[maiden phoenix]

Close enough

[daring heron]

do you think you'd be able to help me?

[maiden phoenix]

I'm not on PC sorry

[daring heron]

fair

if you'd like to help me when you're on PC i'd appreciate that

[maiden phoenix]

That wont be until long sadly

[daring heron]

aight

i'll just see if someone else knows

thanks anyway

[daring fern]

Maybe this?```lua
SMODS.DrawStep({
key = "editiondecks",
order = 5,
func = function(self)
if self.area and self.area.config and self.area.config.type == "deck" then
-- following here is a horrendous mod compatability line
local currentBack = not self.params.galdur_selector
and ((Galdur and Galdur.config.use and type(self.params.galdur_back) == "table" and self.params.galdur_back) or type(
self.params.viewed_back
) == "table" and self.params.viewed_back or (self.params.viewed_back and G.GAME.viewed_back or G.GAME.selected_back))
or Back(G.P_CENTERS["b_red"])
self.children.back:draw_shader(
'foil',
nil,
self.ARGS.send_to_shader,
true
)
end
end
})

[daring heron]

which parts can i delete/replace?

[daring fern]

Try putting this in your code and it should put foil on every deck.

[daring heron]

nice

now what if i want it on only 1 deck

okay but negative plasma deck goes hard

[daring fern]

SMODS.DrawStep({
    key = "editiondecks",
    order = 5,
    func = function(self)
        if self.area and self.area.config and self.area.config.type == "deck" then
            -- following here is a horrendous mod compatability line
            local currentBack = not self.params.galdur_selector
                    and ((Galdur and Galdur.config.use and type(self.params.galdur_back) == "table" and self.params.galdur_back) or type(
                        self.params.viewed_back
                    ) == "table" and self.params.viewed_back or (self.params.viewed_back and G.GAME.viewed_back or G.GAME.selected_back))
                or Back(G.P_CENTERS["b_red"])
            if currentBack.effect.center.key == 'b_modprefix_key' then
                self.children.back:draw_shader(
                    'foil',
                    nil,
                    self.ARGS.send_to_shader,
                    true
                )
            end
        end
    end
})
``` Replace `b_modprefix_key` with your mod prefix and the deck key.

[daring heron]

also somehow happened to fix the visual bug with negative cards

like this?

nvm, that doesnt do anything

[daring fern]

Why did you remove b_?

Also you should change your prefix to something else.

[daring heron]

like this?

stiill doesnt do anything

[daring fern]

You need the b_

[daring heron]

oh mb i thought you said did you remove the b_

tried to add them to more of the decks but it only applies it to the first deck with the shader

[daring heron]

idunno if it matters that i put this in each deck i wanted but changed the keys n stuff

Would send it here but it’s a lot of code

[daring fern]

You could just copy the if where it checks the key and the shader in the first one.

[daring heron]

this?

[daring fern]

Yes, but including the end

[daring heron]

thanks

looks awesome

[fading geyser]

Hi, I'm making a mod with a joker that creates some negative jokers (including Canio) upon selling, however I get this error message: [SMODS Cryptid "Cryptid.lua"]:2033: attempt to index local 'center' (a nil value)
After a bit of digging, it turns out Cryptid overrides the vanilla create_card function, however from what I can see this part of the code is identical to vanilla, so I don't think Cryptid is the problem (I also want this mod to be compatible with vanilla fyi). The first image is the code in question, and the second image is the code from my mod.

[daring heron]

ralsei moment

[daring fern]

It's j_caino

[fading geyser]

that's what I did, isn't it?

[daring fern]

Its j_caINo not j_caNIo

[fading geyser]

Ohhh

🤦

Welp, I feel like a fool

it works

I even triple checked my spelling, extra embarrassing

[daring fern]

No, you spelled it right, LocalThunk spelled it wrong.

[daring heron]

how would i go about making the unused braided deck?

(+3 levels for each poker hand at the beginning of run)

[daring fern]

I already did.

[daring heron]

fair but i don't think thats a reason for me not to

[daring fern]

That's also not what it does.

[daring heron]

unused one does

[daring fern]

No.

Only most played hand.

[daring heron]

oh

nvm i didnt read that properely

just wondering if this line does anything

because it has --- infront of it

[daring fern]

You should probably remove it still.

[daring heron]

also how would i make this replace with random cards instead of turning them into lucky cards

[daring fern]

You mean randomize the rank, suit, enhancements and seals?

[daring heron]

yes but only rank and suit

[daring fern]

That's erratic deck.

[daring heron]

kinda, its a combination of erratic and blank

since it would only replace 13

not the whole deck

[reef belfry]

this jus returns an error message, do i have to put it in another table or add like my mod prefix

[daring heron]

i already have a function for only affecting 13 random cards

but i want it to change them into random suits and numbers instead of just lucky cards

[tall perch]

uhmmm

[daring heron]

don't worry, i'm not gonna make that one today

[reef belfry]

nvm i got it

[tall perch]

Does balatro track overall most played hands between game sessions?

[daring heron]

thats why lol

[tall perch]

Does it go off planet card usage?

[daring heron]

i have no idea

[tall perch]

i see

[daring fern]

It goes over most played hand profile wide.

[tall perch]

I forgot that existed my bad

[daring heron]

but does anyone know how i can randomize number and suit?

would actually be cooler if it was completely random

(with modifiers n stuff)

does anyone know how to do that?

[daring fern]

local rank = pseudorandom_element(SMODS.Ranks, pseudoseed("seed"))
local suit = pseudorandom_element(SMODS.Suits, pseudoseed("seed"))
SMODS.change_base(card, suit.key, rank.key)
```?

card being a card in G.playing_cards

[daring heron]

does that only do ranks and suits?

[daring fern]

Yes?

[daring heron]

okay

[dapper sun]

where can i find the code for the edition tarots?

i can't find them in card.lua

[daring fern]

You mean wheel of fortune?

[daring heron]

how do i make it also do random modifiers

seals, editions etc

[dapper sun]

i meant enhanced cards 😭

i forgot the word,,

[daring heron]

this doesnt seem to do anything

[dapper sun]

ty i found it

[daring fern]

That's because card doesn't exist.

[daring heron]

my bad

still doesnt work

[daring fern]

Code?

[daring heron]

all of it?

or only this deck

[daring fern]

This deck.

[daring heron]

SMODS.Back{
    atlas = "decks",
    name = "Spare Deck",
    key = "sparedeck",
    pos = {x = 0, y = 0},
    loc_txt = {
        name = "Spare Deck",
        text ={
            "Start run with",
            "{C:attention}13  {}cards in deck"
        },
    },
    apply = function()
        G.E_MANAGER:add_event(Event({
            func = function()
                local cards = {}
                for i, card in ipairs(G.playing_cards) do
                    cards[#cards+1] = card
                end
                
                for i = 1, 13 do
                    local rank = pseudorandom_element(SMODS.Ranks, pseudoseed("seed"))
                    local suit = pseudorandom_element(SMODS.Suits, pseudoseed("seed"))
                    SMODS.change_base(G.playing_cards, suit.key, rank.key)
                end
                    return true
            end
        }))
    end
}

[daring fern]

Put back the thing you used to get a random card from cards

[daring heron]

like this?

[daring fern]

Yes, but change G.playing_cards to chosen and add in the table.remove

[daring heron]

how do i make it also add random editions, enhancements and seals?

[daring fern]

Do you want it to have a chance to have a seal or it will always have one but it will just be random?

[daring heron]

random chance

[dapper sun]

how do i make my own mod_conv consumable?

[daring heron]

tried replacing suit with seal but that didnt work

[daring fern]

You just set mod_conv and max_highlighted in the config and I think the rest is done automatically.

mod_conv being the enhancement key.

[dapper sun]

ty

[daring heron]

do you know how i can make it randomize modifiers aswell?

[dapper sun]

including prefix?

[daring fern]

m_modprefix_key

[daring fern]

For seals it would be getting a random element from G.P_SEALS then getting the key then setting it.

[ionic timber]

so, what's the best way to cleanly delete something from a pool ? To prevent it from appearing ever again in the run, or at least "randomly" from booster pack/in the shop ; SMODS.remove_pool doesn't seem to work for me

[gentle rain]

:33< :{{

[tall wharf]

why don't you just not do it

[dapper sun]

[daring heron]

how would i do that?

[hushed arrow]

it doesnt matter if I split my mod into multiple lua files right? like one file for jokers one for planets etc

[brisk rose]

That's fine and I think most people prefer to code that way anyway

[daring heron]

is this too many decks

[shell timber]

you should install #1270516504470880357

[daring heron]

and also how would i give cards a random seal with a.. say 50% chance?

[daring heron]

ooh nice, thx

[eager pendant]

Hint how to make the Joker match in the hand when there are 4 distinct Jokers in the hand

[daring heron]

2 full pages and 10 decks

nice

[hushed arrow]

how can I change this part of a card using take ownership?

[daring heron]

is that too much?

anyway how would i make cards for this deck have a 50% chance to get a random seal, enhancement and edition?

[brisk rose]

For each card, poll those things, and weap that in a 50% chamce

Might be easier to just throw it away 50% if the time

[daring heron]

How do i do that?

[eager pendant]

Hint how to make the Joker match in the hand when there are 4 distinct Jokers in the hand

[gentle rain]

:33< :DD

:33< :??

:33< why thinking react

[brisk rose]

Because @daring fern does nothing but sit and ponder every message in chat all day

[gentle rain]

:33< the thinkerrrrrrrrrrrrr

[dapper sun]

Hold W to Ponder

[daring heron]

Do you know how i can do that?

[brisk rose]

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki/SMODS.Edition#edition-methods

And enhancements and seals have poll methods too

Just run each on every card in the deck, interacting through in a loop

And the 50% chance I think you already figured out

[daring heron]

Honestly i have no idea what to do with this information, i just started 2 days ago lol

[brisk rose]

It's okay, I've been here for over a year and still haven't really started yet

[daring heron]

You do seem to know a lot

Could you tell me what and where to put that code?

I already have a loop that repeats 13 times

Like, i know how to replace an exact number of random cards with another, but i don’t know how to make it replace a card into a random other card

[dull wyvern]

Do you guys have any idea why this pattern search might fail?

[daring fern]

SMODS patches it already.

You need to patch the patched.

[dull wyvern]

Damn

Uhh, is there a way to review smods patched source code?

[daring fern]

Look at the lovely dump.

[dull wyvern]

Aight, thanks

[daring heron]

do you know how i do this?

[brisk rose]

Roughly but I can't really type it out rn

[daring heron]

oh, okay

i'm assuming i need to use a pseudorandom_element

but i honestly dont know how to set those up

[daring fern]

No.

[daring heron]

oh

then how?

[daring fern]

poll_seal, poll_edition and poll_enhancement

[cursive sentinel]

hi, is it possible to make a joker impossible to create through stuff like judgement tarot cards or riff raff joker?

[daring fern]

Put ```lua
in_pool = function(self)
return false
end

[cursive sentinel]

by defining you mean before loc vars?

[daring heron]

it's giving an error

[daring fern]

No, I mean inside SMODS.Joker

[daring heron]

and what else do i need to add

[cursive sentinel]

like this for example?

[daring fern]

Yes.

[cursive sentinel]

thank you !

[daring fern]

You need , also get the lua extension.

[daring heron]

but how do i fix the error?

[cursive sentinel]

oh right

[daring heron]

i don't know how to set up polls

so it's giving an error

[daring heron]

okay and where do i put that stuff

inside the poll?

i have this i dunno what to do next

like.. this?

i barely know what i'm doing half the time, i need assistance

[daring fern]

Seed is not a valid seal.

[daring heron]

yeah mb

[cyan lagoon]

SMODS.poll_seal({ arg1, arg2 })

[daring fern]

SMODS.poll_seal({ guaranteed = true, type_key = "seal" })

[daring heron]

and then where do i put the args

oh wait nvm

[wintry solar]

You don’t need the type key

[daring heron]

now what?

idunno what to add

[wintry solar]

You don’t need to add anything

[daring heron]

but then how would it know what to choose from

or does it know that by default

[crisp coral]

it chooses from all seals in the game

[daring fern]

It's poll_seal so it only chooses from seals.

[daring heron]

okay

wait do i need to put this inside the deck?

[cyan lagoon]

how is this comparing boolean to a number?

[brisk rose]

It's in the calculate function for the deck pretty sure.

[brisk rose]

Could very well be wrong though

You also have to have it in a for loop, looping over every card in the deck

[daring heron]

i currently have it just after the base atlas

should i put it in the function of the deck?

[daring fern]

Put everything after the not in brackets.

[daring heron]

i have this rn

do i need to add anything to actually apply the seal?

or is it good

[cyan lagoon]

now this whole function doesn't work

[valid dove]

regular brackets ()

not curly brackets {}

[daring fern]

Thats because your checking if the table your defining doesn't exist which is impossible.

[cyan lagoon]

a

[glad osprey]

I'm not saying it'd bad I just think of it every time lol

[cyan lagoon]

aight, thanks

[daring heron]

now what do i add

[gentle rain]

:33< it came off as very very rude!!!

[daring heron]

for it to do smth

[gentle rain]

:33< felt very
:33< insulted

[daring heron]

i think the poll works, now i just need to make it actually set the cards

how do i do that again

tried this but it doesnt work

and like crashes the game

so how do i make it work

[daring fern]

You do chosen:set_seal(SMODS.poll_seal({ guaranteed = false }))

[hard flume]

For the Pikmin Portion of The Carrot Field (my Balatro Mod)
I'm only going to start with red blue and yellow Pikmin, as I feel like I need to test the idea first in order to make sure it even plays well. Heck, I might even decide to just keep it to those three to avoid complicating things

[tall wharf]

😭😭😭😭

i never played pikmin

[daring heron]

tried to add multiple polls and now it crashes again

[hushed arrow]

when I'm using take ownership how can I disable the original effect/function?

[daring fern]

Crash log?

[daring fern]

It's set_ability

[daring heron]

oh yeah

[daring fern]

Also poll_edition is not SMODS

[daring heron]

hm?

like this?

or should the poll also be called ability

still doesnt work

how do i fix it?

[daring fern]

poll_edition is not SMODS

[daring heron]

huh??

theres SMODS before it

should it not have that?

[daring fern]

Yes.

[daring heron]

like this?

[daring fern]

Also you don't need to poll it twice every time.

[daring heron]

i really don't understand, what do i need to edit here and what should i put there

for i = 1, 52 do
                    local chosen, index = pseudorandom_element(cards, pseudoseed("seed"))
                    SMODS.poll_enhancement({ guaranteed = false})
                    chosen:set_ability (SMODS.poll_enhancement({guaranteed = false}))
                    SMODS.poll_edition({ guaranteed = false})
                    chosen:set_edition (SMODS.poll_edition({guaranteed = false}))
                    SMODS.poll_seal({ guaranteed = false})
                    chosen:set_seal (SMODS.poll_seal({guaranteed = false}))
                    table.remove(cards, index)
                end
                    return true

[daring fern]

for i = 1, #G.playing_cards do
    local chosen, index = pseudorandom_element(cards, pseudoseed("seed"))
    chosen:set_ability(G.P_CENTERS[SMODS.poll_enhancement()])
    chosen:set_edition (poll_edition())
    chosen:set_seal(SMODS.poll_seal())
    table.remove(cards, index)
end

[daring heron]

still crashes

how do i fix it?

it crashes whenever i start a run with the deck

how do i make it not crash lol

the crashing isnt intentional hah

so how do i fix it

[daring fern]

I updated the code, try that.

How would one make a joker that cycles through all the joker sprites every frame?

The only hard part I'm thinking is the jokers with soul sprites.

[daring heron]

still crashes

[quartz ravine]

it looks like b_zodiac is the problem.

[hushed field]

using SMODS.DrawStep to add this indicator, but not sure how I actually change the placement of a sprite. I want it to end up at the bottom, but I'm not sure what variables actually control its placement

[quartz ravine]

Check your mod prefix, make sure that works

[daring heron]

okay, but i have nothing anywhere that has zodiac in it

[hushed field]

end goal is it ending like this

[quartz ravine]

For reference, if this is an enhnacement you're using, it needs to be applied like this card:set_ability("m_Fox_grass", true)

Abilities are always prefixed by m_. Try changing it to m_b_zodiac

[daring fern]

Are you looking at your lovely dump?

[quartz ravine]

I don't have the problem, :), trying to help ceebee

[daring fern]

I'm aware.

[daring fern]

Zodiac is a deck.

[daring heron]

not one of mine

[daring fern]

I am almost certain nothing about b_zodiac is the problem?

[hushed field]

can you show the full code, Cebee?

Where are you running this?

[vocal cedar]

im having a terrible time understanding editions... like they seem SO complicated to code compared to simple jokers

Anyone have a good tutorial on editions? something simple not too complex?

im trying to create an edition that gives 1.65X Chips

Im also trying to add a "smelt feature"

Basically, if your current hand score exceeds the blind requirement, and your hand contained a stone card, it gets "smelted" into a Ceramic card, which still has no rank or suit, but gives 2.5X chips

anyone know how hard this could be or any ideas on how i could do this

i would PAY a mf to teach me editions man these are SO HARD

like

doesnt have to be now either

just man

i am STRUGGLING people 💀

[daring heron]

i'll send it in DM's cuz it'd be a big message, just running this with the balatro mod loader

[daring fern]

Just put xchips = 1.65 in the config I think.

[hushed field]

I've not messed around with editions yet, but besides the shader, they're very similar to enhancements, no? It shouldn't be too hard to get you to figure it out, soul. What's your code looking like for the edition atm?

And what's going wrong?

[vocal cedar]

oh this is MrFreese btw lmao sorry

had a rebrand

anyway

[hushed field]

hahahahaha

[vocal cedar]

nothing is WRONG yet

like

looking at a friends "template" for ONE edition and bro had to like

remade almost everything

and he didnt know a better way to do it

one sec

[quartz ravine]

Hi Soul, I have an edition I made, which effectively has 'Hiker' baked in. The card gains strength when played.

You could probably take a peek at this to figure out how some things are done

[vocal cedar]

please

[vocal cedar]

edition, not enhancement?

like im talking polychrome foil holo... how would your edition work on a joker lol?

[quartz ravine]

https://github.com/1RedOne/FickleFox/blob/master/src/editions.lua#L236

Check this out 🙂 . It's an edition. Interestingly I found that Joker's need to have a separate calculation step for an edition to work on them.

[hard flume]

Hi chat!

[quartz ravine]

If it's a regulat playing card, when it is scored or triggered in any way (Even if it is held in hand!) it will proc the special edition.

If it's a joker, we listen for joker_main's context window

[daring fern]

‎

[vocal cedar]

ooh cool

[vocal cedar]

interestingggg

[vocal cedar]

thank you thank you

looking now

[rapid stag]

usually in the sprite table is a T table. that should have an x and y that controls the position?

[quartz ravine]

Hi folks, does anyone know how to add content to this pane?

[hushed field]

I thought so too, but it doesn't seem to cooperate with me at all

[quartz ravine]

I've seen other mods add a 'Credits' tab but I would rather do this

[glad osprey]

no 👍

[daring fern]

You want to put credits in the description tab?

[rapid stag]

🤔 ...what does your sprite look like?

[glad osprey]

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki/Mod-functions#modextra_tabs

[hushed field]

blind_indicator_sprite = blind_indicator_sprite or Sprite(0, -10, card.T.w, card.T.h, G.ASSET_ATLAS["kino_ui"], {x = 5, y = 0})

[quartz ravine]

Yes, if the default config of an SMODS mod puts 'Author' in huge text, I don't feel like its right that other folks contributions go into another tab. They should be right there and center IMHO

[brisk rose]

can't you just add authors in the field given?

[rapid stag]

and the 0, -10 isn't controlling the position at all when you change it?

[brisk rose]

comma seperated lists are common there

[hushed field]

not at all

[glad osprey]

change the mods description lol

[crisp coral]

it's controlled by the draw_shader if you have it

[hushed field]

                    blind_indicator_sprite:draw_shader('dissolve', nil, nil, nil, card.children.center, scale_mod, rotate_mod)``` I do, yeah!

[crisp coral]

.

actually let me just take the lobcorp code

[hushed field]

It does make sense that the code that wiggles it also places it

[crisp coral]

self.children.lobc_prey:draw_shader('dissolve', 0, nil, nil, self.children.center, 0.1, nil, nil, 0.1 + 0.03*math.sin(1.8*G.TIMERS.REAL) + self.T.h*-0.2, nil, 0.6)
self.children.lobc_prey:draw_shader('dissolve', nil, nil, nil, self.children.center, 0.1, nil, nil, self.T.h*-0.2)

for the self.T.h*-0.2, lower value means sprite is higher

i think

[rapid stag]

yeah, 0, 0 starts at the top left

...or is it the bottom

[crisp coral]

top left

[hushed field]

ah that makes sense. lm check to see which argument is which, so I don't actually erase a necessary nil, haha

ms mr mx my? are these new genders?

[hushed arrow]

how can I make a card similiar to hiker but it adds mult to the card instead?

[glad osprey]

look at that one card from neato

frosted prime rib

[daring fern]

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki/Perma-bonuses

[faint yacht]

Hiker example, but perma_mult instead, yeah.

[hushed arrow]

aight thanks

[rapid stag]

@hushed fielddid you ever get that working?

[hushed field]

was literally about to post that I got it working!

Thanks for the help, y'all

[hushed arrow]

if I seperate my mod into several files like jokers, backs, decks etc is there a specific thing I need to do for the game to "read" them? that you wouldnt usually have to do if you had everything in one file?

[quartz ravine]

Sweet, this looks good to me 🙂

[daring fern]

You need to load them with SMODS.load_file

[willow plinth]

tired coding is also really brainrot btw

but also, the smods contexts are ruining me

[red flower]

dcconepeek

[willow plinth]

does anyone know if the wiki is up to date here?

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki/Calculate-Functions#contexts

[hard flume]

Hi :3

[willow plinth]

hi carrot

if i do if context.after and context.cardarea == G.play then it never enters that
if i do if context.after then it fires too soon 😭

[red flower]

what do you want to do

[willow plinth]

i want to modify_rank a random scored card after scoring

[quartz ravine]

Hi N', I am sooo inspired by the way you organized your code for your mod. I feel like we could just make a community style guide based on your mod as reference!

[willow plinth]

i also tried final_scoring_step but that felt too soon as well

[red flower]

i want to organize it a bit better honestly

[red flower]

are you doing it in an event?

[hushed field]

it's not the context that's messing you up, it's the animation order. All visual changes happen after calculation's done, so if you're not using an event, the change visually happens immediately, even though it'll be scored as the proper card

[willow plinth]

nope, simply in Joker.calculate

[red flower]

what ice said

[willow plinth]

ahhh okay, i need to wait for events i see

makes sense, thanks guys

[atomic jolt]

Hi guys, is there some documentation somewhere that contains all the things that start like G.something?

[hushed arrow]

do I give it a path like SMODS.load_file("back.lua")? or what

[red flower]

no, you need to look at the code

[atomic jolt]

Where in the code can I find that?

[willow plinth]

look at the source code, specifically Balatro/globals.lua

[daring fern]

You need to give it a path from the root folder.

[atomic jolt]

Ah, thanks guys

[willow plinth]

but i think G also gets updated dynamically all over the place

probably a good idea to do print(inspect(G)) or print(tprint(G)) right before you use it

[quartz ravine]

Jumping back and forth from C#, C++ and yaml for work to Lua and PowerShell for afterhours / fun stuff is breaking my brain

[red flower]

i work with python so its not that hard but sometimes i write "then" after if statements lol

[hushed arrow]

if it's already in the root folder isnt it just the filename?

[red flower]

yes

[quartz ravine]

Hi folks, somehow my toggles are out of sync with my mod config. When I do a print statment, I can see the value is set correctly, but the toggle does not show this

I want the toggle to default to enabled and the user can disable it if they like (or have bad taste)

In my config.lua I end with returning these vals as true.

[atomic jolt]

I'm new to modding Balatro, where does it get printed to?

[hushed arrow]

and what file should all the SMODS.load_file() be located?

[red flower]

whats the code

[red flower]

main file

[placid star]

can you make your own loc_colours?

[glad osprey]

the console

[red flower]

yes

[willow plinth]

oh, i always forget windows users don't have to start balatro from command line

use the DebugPlus mod to see logs in game

[quartz ravine]

Thanks N!

My modinfo.json

[atomic jolt]

Alright, already downloaded that so shouldn't be an issue

[willow plinth]

and if it gets too much, you can always look at the latest log in Mods/lovely/log

like especially print(inspect(G)) and print(tprint(G)) are huge

[red flower]

hmmm i dont see anything wrong
what if you delete the file under %appdata%/Balatro/config/modid.jkr

[hard flume]

How would I go about adding a button to a Joker? Not making it functional right now, I just need to add a new button and go from there

[daring fern]

Rise.

[hard flume]

I'm not sure anyone knows how to answer that one

The cycling Joker one

[hushed field]

check how buttons are added to consumables through SMODS.DrawStep

[hard flume]

Ohhhh yeah!!

Ty!

[quartz ravine]

Look at Cryptid, it has doublesided jokers, or jokers which are also consumables and can be invoked at any point. That could get you started

[willow plinth]

i did it in my mod, animated soul sprite that is

animated base sprite is just as easy

[hard flume]

Ty! I'm trying to make onions from Pikmin, as such they need to store. Well. Pikmin

[daring fern]

Please share, but I still need to know a fix to the legendary problem.

[red flower]

a new button like the sell button?

[hard flume]

Yeah!

[red flower]

you can hook card:highlight and modify self.children.use_button

https://github.com/nh6574/JoyousSpring/blob/58749c3f350bbf101e0167e19bf072008c6119ea/src/general_ui.lua#L307

[hard flume]

Ty!!

[willow plinth]

i can share it in typescript and transpiled lua, here is the ts, which should still be readable

i basically yanked this from Aura though but simplified a lot of it

jokers here is basically just an array of SMODS.Jokers

and for base sprite instead of soul sprite, you can change every instance of soul_pos to just pos

const jokerEntries = Object.entries(jokers);
const jokerNames = new Set(jokerEntries.map(([key, value]) => value.name));

const defaultFps = 30;

const oldUpdate = G.update;

/**
 *
 * @param dt
 * @example
 */
const newUpdate = function (this: typeof G, dt: number) {
    oldUpdate.call(this, dt);

    for (const [jokerName, joker] of jokerEntries) {
        if (!joker.animation) {
            joker.animation = {
                frames: 60,
                immediate: true,
                target: 0
            };
        }

        if (!joker.animation.t) {
            joker.animation.t = 0;
        }

        joker.animation.t += dt;

        if (joker.animation.t > 1 / (joker.animation.fps || defaultFps)) {
            joker.animation.t -= 1 / (joker.animation.fps || defaultFps);
            joker.animation.next_frame = true;
        }
        else {
            joker.animation.next_frame = false;
        }

        if (joker.animation.next_frame) {
            const loc = joker.soul_pos.y * (joker.animation.frames) + joker.soul_pos.x;

            joker.animation.target = loc + 1;

            if (joker.animation.immediate && joker.animation.target) {
                joker.animation.target = joker.animation.target;
            }

            if (joker.animation.target >= joker.animation.frames) {
                joker.animation.target = 0;
            }

            joker.soul_pos.x = joker.animation.target % (joker.animation.frames);
            joker.soul_pos.y = Math.floor(joker.animation.target / (joker.animation.frames));
        }
    }
};

const oldSetSprites = Card.set_sprites;

/**
 *
 * @param c
 * @param f
 * @example
 */
const newSetSprites = function (this: typeof Card, c: any, f: any) {
    oldSetSprites.call(this, c, f);

    if (
        jokerNames.has(this.config.center.name) &&
        this.config.center && this.config.center.soul_pos &&
        this.config.center.atlas
    ) {
        if (this.children.floating_sprite) {
            (this.children.floating_sprite as unknown as typeof SpriteType)
                .set_sprite_pos(this.config.center.soul_pos);
        }
        else {
            this.children.floating_sprite = Sprite(
                this.T.x,
                this.T.y,
                this.T.w,
                this.T.h,
                G.ASSET_ATLAS[this.config.center.atlas],
                this.config.center.soul_pos
            ) as typeof SpriteType;
            this.children.floating_sprite.states.hover = this.states.hover;
            this.children.floating_sprite.states.click = this.states.click;
            this.children.floating_sprite.states.drag = this.states.drag;
            this.children.floating_sprite.states.collide.can = false;
            this.children.floating_sprite.set_role({
                draw_major: this,
                major: this,
                role_type: "Glued"
            });
        }
    }
};

const oldCardDraw = Card.draw;

/**
 *
 * @param layer
 * @example
 */
function newDraw(this: typeof Card, layer: any) {
    if (
        this.config &&
        this.config.center &&
        this.config.center.pos &&
        jokerNames.has(this.config.center.name)
    ) {
        this.set_sprites();
    }

    oldCardDraw.call(this, layer);
}

G.update = newUpdate;
Card.set_sprites = newSetSprites;
Card.draw = newDraw;

and with the jokerNames.has(this.config.center.name) everywhere i make sure only my jokers get animated

[quartz ravine]

Ah, I found my issue! My mod used to be called FoxesGarden and the config file still referenced that, so it wasn't getting updated. Thanks @red flower

[cursive sentinel]

if i have used a centralized method for my mod (putting everything in the main.lua), how hard it is to transition into at least a separate localization file?

[willow plinth]

but to simplify even further:

1. use a normal SMODS atlas
2. update (soul_)pos.x and y at some interval
3. attach the sprite to the joker in Card.set_sprites
4. call set_sprites in Card.draw

oh and replace floating_sprite with front if you want to animate the base sprite

[red flower]

easy, smods provides a function for switching from loc_txt to loc files: SMODS.create_loc_dump()

[cursive sentinel]

is it in the docs?

[red flower]

yes but it doesnt say more than i did lol

[willow plinth]

@daring fern i can also share the transpiled lua but it has a lot of noise

[cursive sentinel]

mh, and i put it where? in my main.lua? or in the localization luas?

and im not sure if smods loc files have a particular structure too

(and i hate french translation, it's horribly inconsistant and unclear)

[willow plinth]

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki/Localization

[glad osprey]

question why does lovely mod patching not work on macs?

[red flower]

I know it has something to do with the compiler that mac uses by default but I don't understand any of that

[willow plinth]

but where does it not work?

[red flower]

you can look at the discussion in the lovely discord

[glad osprey]

when patching other mods

[glad osprey]

where be that

[red flower]

https://discord.gg/3kAQgU6d

i think it was fixed tho but they still havent finished the release

[glad osprey]

apple TMD fans in shambles

(they gotta deal with a smaller galdur menu)

[willow plinth]

oh shit what am i missing out on on macos?

btw i think this is the main blocker but idk: https://github.com/ethangreen-dev/lovely-injector/issues/208

[glad osprey]

lovely patching other mods

[red flower]

for most mods the problem is lovely patching smods, like to add new cardarea calculations

but the most important one is jokerdisplay support with morefluff : )

[willow plinth]

#1288906099180699661 message

[glad osprey]

still doesnt work?

just cuz something should work doesnt mean it does 😭

thats like programmer 101

[willow plinth]

jokerdisplay with morefluff works on my machine

[red flower]

maybe it's not all macs

but definitely some

[shell timber]

it's colour cards

[willow plinth]

are people not starting balatro with sh run_lovely_macos.sh ?

[willow plinth]

ah okay, now i get it...yeah color card jokerdisplays don't work for me

[cursive sentinel]

ok i think i rly misunderstood this..

[glad osprey]

no because we are not insane??????

[willow plinth]

Note: You cannot run your game through Steam on Mac due to a bug within the Steam client. You must run it with the run_lovely_macos.sh script.

i though you were on mac

[glad osprey]

no

[willow plinth]

okay

[glad osprey]

windows

[proud moon]

does anyone know how i would make a joker use both mult_mod and chip_mod AND show the messages for both? would i need an event for it?

[red flower]

i have no idea how it works, sorry lol
you can do it manually

[glad osprey]

how is that confusing 😭

[hushed field]

unless you're specifically trying to not show a message, I'd recommend not using the _mod returns

[proud moon]

ah ok

[glad osprey]

com im revoking your human rights

im gonna

idk but im gonna do something

[willow plinth]

maybe stop lovely patching?

[glad osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-yachty-censored-not-drake-tech-support-gif-8658410013845332703

[willow plinth]

i don't get it why it's needed for mods anyway, why not just hook? or maybe i'm dumb and don't see the reason

[glad osprey]

you would have to rewrite the entire function

dont do that.

that is a mod incompat factory

COUGH COUGH CRYPTID COUGH COUGH

[red flower]

rewriting an entire smods function is worse because that updates more frequently as well

and they literally provide an easy way to add more cardareas through patches

[willow plinth]

how so? set your priority to load after the mod you are depending on, check if the function exists in your code and then do the ol'

old_fn = fn_from_mod

function fn_from_mod() {
old_fn()
-- do your stuff here

} 

[hushed field]

I guess a solve could've been if smods patched in a custom function to hook where those targets are, though if order matters, you're still out of luck. Though that's gonna be an issue with any patching

[red flower]

not everything can be done before or after the function

[willow plinth]

i see

[woeful stratus]

not if you need to add stuff in the middle of the func

[glad osprey]

thats just overly complicating it and also can cause issues

[red flower]

if functions didnt have side effects then maybe but sadly this is not functional programming

[willow plinth]

yeah no i get that

hm

[glad osprey]

patching is just so much more convenient

[red flower]

i still do hooks when i dont need to rewrite everything tho

[glad osprey]

yea

[willow plinth]

i'll never do it if i can avoid it

i will not write lua code in toml files lol

[glad osprey]

good fucking luck dude

[willow plinth]

thanks

[glad osprey]

get prepared for many issues down the line

[willow plinth]

maybe i'll do it if the patch format ever supports doing a patches.pattern where payload can be a file path

[glad osprey]

...

oh

i see

[cursive sentinel]

is it possible to add spaces within a {X:colour} ?

it always crushes it

[glad osprey]

like {X:colour }?

or {X:colour} {}

[cursive sentinel]

no like {X:red,C:white}Something Something{}

and for it to give Something Something instead of SomethingSomething

[glad osprey]

huh

that shouldnt happen

[willow plinth]

{X:red,C:white}Something{} {}Something{} maybe?

[cursive sentinel]

it makes two boxes then no?

[glad osprey]

or is it an issue with X specifically

[cursive sentinel]

itdoes also in base game

(with french translation...)

[glad osprey]

ah

[willow plinth]

it should

This modifier uniquely strips all whitespace from the styled text

[glad osprey]

i figured X was a stand in and not x mult

[willow plinth]

yeah ur right i think, hmmm

[glad osprey]

what happens if you do {X:mult}A{X:mult}B{}

does that create two boxes aswell

[willow plinth]

@cursive sentinel

Unlike the similar Defined background modifier {X:}, {B:} does not remove or change the whitespace of styled text, so displayed contents will remain the same as their input string.

try it with B

[glad osprey]

oh yea that works too

[red flower]

to not code in the toml? why not make it a function in one of your files and patch that in?

[cursive sentinel]

so B is like X but better?

will try

[red flower]

B is like V but for the background

[glad osprey]

it should look the same tho right

[willow plinth]

X is also for background but only for defined ones

[glad osprey]

just with whitespace

[willow plinth]

mmmm yeah that actually makes sense lol

[red flower]

for some reason i read that as V lol

[willow plinth]

aight i could live with patching if i abstract out as much as possible

[glad osprey]

idk why you insist on overcomplicating it this much 😭

[red flower]

most of my patches are 1 line long anyway

[glad osprey]

its literally not that hard

[cursive sentinel]

replacing the X with B crashes when i hover the joker

[red flower]

what crash

[cursive sentinel]

'créer {B:tarot,C:white}La Mort{} quand',

[red flower]

pls log

[cursive sentinel]

ok

[willow plinth]

it's not about difficulty, i want syntax highlighting and sane commit diffs in my code

[red flower]

it's B:1

[willow plinth]

did you read the docs though?

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki/Text-Styling#variablecustom-background-colour-modifier-b

[cursive sentinel]

ahhh

B doesnt use colours as X

[glad osprey]

for what patches are used for you really dont need those

[cursive sentinel]

so gotta declare colours, thanks !

[glad osprey]

like N said most of the time its single lines

[red flower]

sometimes i code the patch in the file i want to patch for highlighting and then copy that

[glad osprey]

[[patches]]
[patches.pattern]
target = "game.lua"
pattern = "{card_limit = self.GAME.starting_params.consumable_slots, type = 'joker', highlight_limit = 1})"
position = "at"
payload = "{card_limit = self.GAME.starting_params.consumable_slots, type = 'joker', highlight_limit = 1e100})"
match_indent = true

this is literally what one of my patches for tmd looks like

[red flower]

what if i have 1e100+1 consumables

[glad osprey]

womp womp

[modern kindle]

you get a free bar of soup

[red flower]

yay

[glad osprey]

and an expensive bowl of soap

[willow plinth]

what happens if another mod patches the same thing btw? not arguing, just interested

[red flower]

i love eating soap

[glad osprey]

works fine most of the time

[willow plinth]

priority takes over then?

[red flower]

yeah

[glad osprey]

if its an at patch then one will happen the other wont (typically) otherwise its just priority

[red flower]

"at" patches are the most dangerous ones

i still use them a ton because UI code is a mess

[glad osprey]

most of tmd's at patches either are inconsequential or contain the original code

[modern kindle]

not if i change ur patches

[glad osprey]

wait can you patch patches 😭

[modern kindle]

that would be pretty peak

[glad osprey]

very very stupid but also funny

[red flower]

im turning your patterns to regex

[willow plinth]

a modding api that patches all the hard coded values in game.lua would be nice

to configurable ones

[daring heron]

anyone know how i can disable the sounds of the cards for my deck here

[willow plinth]

so then mods don't need to patch anymore (for the most part)

[glad osprey]

i really need to move some of my qol patches and stuff to their own api

[daring heron]

it's kinda annoying hearing 13 of those sounds

[long frigate]

whats the context for a joker like oops

[glad osprey]

not context

add_to_deck and remove_from_deck

[long frigate]

ohhhhhh

[red flower]

i dont have a single patch to change those, i would use hooks for that personally

[glad osprey]

seperate funcs

[long frigate]

tyyy

[long frigate]

is it still in calculate or should it be in loc_vars

or other way around i think is how vanilla works

[glad osprey]

seperate funcs

[long frigate]

oh

im dumb

mb

lol

[hushed field]

The values I patch I generally patch to make them adjustable without causing issues. Like changing odds for lucky cards on a per card basis that doesn't mess with other mods

[glad osprey]

-- This function is called when the card is added to deck. from_debuff is true whenever a card gets debuffed and then undebuffed.
    -- Debuffs usually call both of these functions, essentially, when a joker is debuffed, it's simply removed from your jokers, except for the fact that it takes up a slot.
    add_to_deck = function(self, card, from_debuff)
        -- Changes a G.GAME variable, which is usually a global value that's specific to the current run.
        -- These are initialized in game.lua under the Game:init_game_object() function, and you can look through them to get an idea of the things you can change.
        G.GAME.round_resets.discards = G.GAME.round_resets.discards + card.ability.extra.discard_size
        G.hand:change_size(card.ability.extra.hand_size)
    end,
    -- Inverse of above function.
    remove_from_deck = function(self, card, from_debuff)
        -- Adds - instead of +, so they get subtracted when this card is removed.
        G.GAME.round_resets.discards = G.GAME.round_resets.discards - card.ability.extra.discard_size
        G.hand:change_size(-card.ability.extra.hand_size)
    end
    -- Because all the functionality is in remove_from_deck and add_to deck, calculate is unnecessary.

from the merry andy modded vanilla code @long frigate

[long frigate]

ty

[daring heron]

like this?

[red flower]

no

please read some programming basics

https://www.lua.org/pil/5.html

[glad osprey]

its F all over again

hey @daring heron quick test

what do you think a function called play_sound would do

[daring heron]

probably play a sound

[glad osprey]

correct

do you think youd need to ask a discord server what that function does upon seeing it for the first time

[sturdy compass]

Squid has ptsd after the F debugging incident

[willow plinth]

which incident?

[daring heron]

not really, but idunno how to make it silent

[glad osprey]

ok nevermind it isnt f all over again

[daring fern]

I got this:

[sturdy compass]

There was a dude here who didn’t know what play_sound() did

[daring heron]

damn

[sturdy compass]

Sent a screenshot and asked “What does this do” unironically

[willow plinth]

flashy :D

do you filter for your jokers only?

and how often do you update the pos?

[glad osprey]

ngl thats actually a really cool concept for a joker

[hushed field]

Looks sick!

[willow plinth]

because that's how my game looks if i install aura

[glad osprey]

hurts my eyes though

[daring heron]

how do i make it silent tho, idunno which line actually makes it silent, but one of these does in one of my different decks

[daring fern]

No, It's only vanilla jokers, and I couldn't figure out how to make it slower than once per frame.

[glad osprey]

silent is one of the arguments for the function

[daring heron]

where can i add it, just after the function?

[glad osprey]

im going to slap you

[red flower]

enhancements dont make a sound

[daring heron]

oh yeah

[red flower]

please read about function arguments, like just search a youtube video

[daring heron]

:<

this does

[glad osprey]

look at it

inspect it

[sturdy compass]

That’s an edition

[glad osprey]

see what it does

[proud moon]

you might want to learn general programming structure for lua, it will make problem solving a lot quicker

[sturdy compass]

Not an enhancement

[glad osprey]

they want an edition

[daring heron]

yeah, those make sound

[glad osprey]

they want it to be silent

[sturdy compass]

Ah

[daring heron]

can i ask what i did to be slapped tho

[sturdy compass]

You were told silent is a function parameter

[willow plinth]

okay so for the fps (this is straight from aura):

if not anim.t then anim.t = 0 end
anim.t = anim.t + dt
if anim.t > 1/(anim.fps or 10) then
    anim.t = anim.t - 1/(anim.fps or 10)
    next_frame = true
end
if anim.extra then
    if not anim.extra.t then anim.extra.t = 0 end
    anim.extra.t = anim.extra.t + dt
    if anim.extra.t > 1/(anim.extra.fps or 10) then
        anim.extra.t = anim.extra.t - 1/(anim.extra.fps or 10)
        next_frame_extra = true
    end
end

and for vanilla jokers: i can't really help a lot there, because as i said Aura, which is also supposed to modify vanilla jokers, has the same bug you shared in the video for me...Aura additionaly changes SMODS.injectJokers

[daring heron]

i know what to add, but i have no idea where

[daring fern]

No, I want it to change into every joker.

[daring heron]

since it already has true, true

dont know what it does cuz ice made it for me

but that confuses me

[red flower]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJKK-CarQks

[willow plinth]

oh so the behavior in the video is intended? i don't get it sry

[sturdy compass]

The true, true is for the poll_edition function, not set_edition

[daring fern]

As I said in my first message How would one make a joker that cycles through all the joker sprites every frame?

[rough furnace]

Silly idea for a mod: make a joker for every food you have for supper

[willow plinth]

sorry i'm slow today

[sturdy compass]

Jimbo’s Feast

That actually sounds like a really fun idea

[proud moon]

im pretty sure this is how localthunk does the food jokers normally

[glad osprey]

NO TI DOESNT

[daring heron]

yeah, that's whats inside the set_edition

[glad osprey]

caps lock

whoos

that was not meant to be caps

[willow plinth]

but congrats i guess, you did it! :D

lower fps shouldn't be too much of an issue

[glad osprey]

no it doesnt thats in poll edition

[daring heron]

and poll edition is inside of set_edition

[sturdy compass]

So if those parameters are for poll_edition, do you think they would apply to set_edition?

[glad osprey]

yes

[glad osprey]

you are giving those to poll edition

not set edition

[daring heron]

well how do i give it to set edition

[sturdy compass]

I’m boutta crash out

[red flower]

lol

[daring heron]

nvm then

i'll try to figure it out on my own then

[red flower]

the reason we're not giving you the answer is because if you don't learn how to pass arguments to functions you're going to have a really hard time

[sturdy compass]

Do you have access to base game source code

[proud moon]

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki/SMODS.Enhancement This might give some insight on enhancements

[tall wharf]

:3

[willow plinth]

function a(p, q)
end

function b(x, y)
end

you are doing this:

a(b("x", "y", "p", "q"))

you should be doing this

a(b("x", "y"), "p", "q")

[glad osprey]

when i said this wasnt f all over again i was a fool

[red flower]

please dont mock people too much for trying to learn

[sturdy compass]

At least they’re for coherant than F lol

[glad osprey]

true

[sturdy compass]

I respect the grind but man

It can be a lot

[glad osprey]

and have enough critical thinking to understand what a function does

[willow plinth]

and ideally you should be doing this

b_result = b("x", "y")

a(b_result, "p", "q")

[sturdy compass]

You are doing a great job at explaining this, bravo

[red flower]

i respect anyone that doesnt just copypaste from chatgpt

[daring heron]

honestly i tried and the code sucked

[glad osprey]

I respect anyone that doesn't just chatgpt

[sturdy compass]

Take a look at what strmnn is saying

[daring heron]

yeah

i fixed it

[glad osprey]

ngl at some point we should've started charging F per question

[willow plinth]

btw i think people are frustrated because even gpt 3 could have fixed your issue if you prompted it better lol

[daring heron]

whats f btw

[daring heron]

yeah, mb

[glad osprey]

^

[daring heron]

oh

well, thanks everyone for the help

[glad osprey]

atleast you were trying to learn so thank you for that

[red flower]

i have a rule that i only help anyone make an entire joker (or object) once
the next time i stop helping them unless they start asking specific questions

[modern kindle]

You're all gonna be in shambles when I release my mod all balatrogpt

[proud moon]

evil

[daring heron]

haha thanks, i figured the deck creator mod wouldnt cut it anymore with the ideas i have

[red flower]

a mod that is all AI but it's actually someone pretending that is all AI and just making up hallucinations would be funny

like those fake AI scripts

[shell timber]

i wanted to like resprite default jimbo at 100x100 and scale it down to 71x95 and put it in as "AI Joker"

and add like a 4th thing to the hat or something

[sturdy compass]

The thing about them is they keep asking and end up making dev chat really annoying to talk in, so we attempt to help to clear up chat (even after telling them we don’t want to and will not hand hold them through an entire dev cycle)

[willow plinth]

i thought about that too recently, but then chatgpt gave me better ideas

[sturdy compass]

It’s genuinely insane behavior

[shell timber]

people who use llms for ideas confuse me

people who regularly use llms actually

[sturdy compass]

Truth nuke

[red flower]

just do like me and have your chat be half filled with "Blocked message" : )

[modern kindle]

I think a problem is some people also dont learn in a necessarily traditional format

I learn best by taking someone's code and ripping it apart until it makes sense to me

[sturdy compass]

Honestly that’s not a half bad idea

[willow plinth]

do i really also need to start using stuff like "/jk" here like an insane person 😭

[modern kindle]

Damn n has me blocked he hates me

[red flower]

not true

[modern kindle]

Lmfao

[red flower]

the blocked part

[sturdy compass]

This is totally fine! The problem with F is that they do not learn and essentially expect us to go step by step to make the code for them

[glad osprey]

cant believe n blocked me i was just asking how to play a sound 😔

[modern kindle]

Thats it. You dont get my extra kitkat

[red flower]

noooo

[daring heron]

can i have a kitkat

[daring fern]

When I have this, It changes frames a few then it stops, and it does that a few.

[red flower]

i do have some frequent posters blocked tho

[modern kindle]

Thats fair yea
Admittedly i get very irked when people ask 'is this possible' when 98% of the time whatever is being asked is obviously possible
But I just click away

[proud moon]

does anyone else use llms as a faster form of typing because sometimes it can predict your next line of code based on what you already wrote? (or to check syntax because having a 2nd pair of "eyes" is nice)

[sturdy compass]

I do not

[shell timber]

i do not

[red flower]

i always have the urge to just reply "yes" to those and walk away lol

[proud moon]

i guess if you are already proficient there is no point

[glad osprey]

what is llms

[shell timber]

intellisense is a good ide feature, full on code completion is yuck

[red flower]

i had to disable all the copilot shit vscode enabled for me recently

[shell timber]

like chatgpt and shit

[glad osprey]

ah

[proud moon]

yes this, lol this is what i use (im new to lua so it helps me learn how to do it right)

[glad osprey]

I only use that stuff when I'm programming for roblox bcus i don't know enough about roblox programming

[proud moon]

isnt roblox also lua?

[shell timber]

yeah that's not an llm nor is it new

[glad osprey]

luau

so yea basically

[modern kindle]

At most I've used things to help me figure out where the fuck i missed a comma if an error is obscure, but I dont often have that here since vscode is pretty good about telling me where smth fucked up
Gmod lua errors when I missed a comma use to fuckin obliterate me

[proud moon]

fair enough

[sonic cedar]

How else does calculate_effect work? I'm trying to use a function for general scoring but using unpack doesn't let the guy score. So i tried putting it in calculate_effect but I'm getting a parameter error? What did i do wrong? (unpack version left in for comparison)

[sturdy compass]

You shouldn’t be using that function in a return. That function is essentially calculating a return table independently from your actual return

[sonic cedar]

oh so literally i can just do an ifthen context and just drop it in

[sturdy compass]

No

[sonic cedar]

darn

what would i do instead if im not just moving it out of the return?

[glad osprey]

someone should remake this with F and the text being "showing our constant beggar things they've never seen"

Last one just being a lua 101 website

[shell timber]

Documentation

[willow plinth]

i admire people that have the time and are so anti ai, they rather go line by line through error logs full of garbage spanning literal meters instead of just giving it to an llm and see if they can find it faster

[glad osprey]

TRUR

[glad osprey]

if i see someone with an ai pfp I will literally force them to let me draw them a pfp

[shell timber]

the issue with using an llm is you train yourself to not actually think about the problem

[sturdy compass]

What exactly are you trying to do with this?

[willow plinth]

as always it's not that black and white...i get the sentiment but yeah...

[shell timber]

i mean i guess yeah

at least you're not using it for full code completion (I Hope)

[glad osprey]

that's why you just get the worst llm known to man

[shell timber]

that stuff actually rots your brain

[modern kindle]

But noooooo it's so convenient guys

[sonic cedar]

scoring setup that i can reuse instead of having to put the whole thing again and again

[sturdy compass]

Ah ok

[willow plinth]

i'm also talking from a position where i learned to code without llms (because they kinda didn't exist yet)

so maybe while learning to code one should not use llms or just very sparingly

[shell timber]

This

the main issue with constantly asking an llm (or a discord chat for that matter) is that you can't move forward if you keep getting the answer given to you

[sturdy compass]

So that return table you have, basically just replace the word return with SMODS.calculate_effect and wrap the table in parenthesis

[frosty rampart]

the other issue with using an llm imo (at least just generally feeding your code to chatgpt or whatever) is that it's NOT SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR PROGRAMMING. it's a model that predicts how the english language works. it's mashing stackoverflow posts together into something that at least superficially looks right, and maybe it actually functions but maybe it doesn't

[shell timber]

True...

[sonic cedar]

oh it IS the return table THATS what you meant 😭

the one i just sent or the one in calculate

[sturdy compass]

The ome you just sent

[brisk rose]

thinking is for losers, but good luck getting any balatro mod coding done with an llm

[willow plinth]

but a benefit of llms is less people will ask dumb questions in this discord lol

[sturdy compass]

That way you can have your helper funtion and the functionality you want

[glad osprey]

hey guys what does create_card do

[hard needle]

video ai will always look like shit.. image ai will always look like shit.. llms will always get better.. what more does AI have to complete

[sonic cedar]

got it!! off to test

[shell timber]

you aren't going to believe this....

[sonic cedar]

wins the blind

[modern kindle]

I think thats a strange response though
In life you are often given the solutions to problems rather regularly
And then you apply them to your day to day

I think it depends more on the person
Regularly people are given answers here even and then learn off of that

[keen tiger]

unironically ive been thinking of configuring a local qwen model to explore balatro's codebase and answer reverse engineering questions

[shell timber]

eh i guess

[keen tiger]

that way you arent piping balatro's code off to a remote server

[shell timber]

look if you keep asking the same question then that's the problem

[brisk rose]

I mean... I don't think so? I think, for better or worse, it will all improve

[sturdy compass]

Oh last thing, the function also takes a card object as a second parameter, so don’t forget to add that

[modern kindle]

Agreed there yea

[sonic cedar]

what so card or

[sturdy compass]

Yeah just put a , card after the table in your calculate_effect parameters

[shell timber]

i remember back in the early days of modding when someone said "i asked an llm for variants of your Blood Pact joker, now you should add these!"

[glad osprey]

new speech bubble just dropped

[shell timber]

True...

[keen tiger]

a capable llm with balatro's codebase and smods documentation in context would be very useful for modding, sadly the latter is a copyright concern since you're literally shipping proprietary code off to a server so you're stuck with worse local models

[modern kindle]

That's insane

You should be so touched...

[willow plinth]

the actual issue is reading comprehension and adhd, llms can actually explain some concepts or issues pretty well, doesn't mean people will magically care more about taking the time to understand

[brisk rose]

I think llms surpress thinking insofar only as things like calculators and google do

[glad osprey]

were you even asking for ideas 😭

[shell timber]

this guy has lived rent free in my head for a year now i guess

i wasn't

[glad osprey]

BRO

[sturdy compass]

[glad osprey]

"hey I know you didn't ask but here's some ideas for your mod that an ai thought of since i can't have original thoughts"

[sonic cedar]

oh god what have i done

[shell timber]

and then he proceeded to post two shitty ai images with The Joker wearing some crown of thorns thing

[sturdy compass]

“Yo bro add these” I’M DYING

[modern kindle]

I have totally used ai for names cause I can't ever think of cool names lmao

[willow plinth]

you have chosen the wrong kind of font for coding

[glad osprey]

❌

[sturdy compass]

Oh nononono, don’t run the function in calculate_effect, make the function run calculate_effect

[hard needle]

i should add these :trol:

[willow plinth]

my main quest in this discord is converting people to monospace fonts

[shell timber]

ai for placeholder art and names are Yuck. have a shitty ms paint drawing named tempname412 as has been done before

[brisk rose]

novel thoughts are required even for automatically executed creativity. It's a tool, and yes I do fully believe it can be a tool for genuine expression, but we've had this conversation 3 times in the last couple weeks and I don't feel like arguing against the strong consensus atm

[sturdy compass]

If I were on my computer rn (which will be soon) I’d show an example for you

[hushed field]

not to start this discussion, and I'm generally not blanket-ai or anythin,g but this is definitely not the case, judging by what my teacher friends are saying, and what my teaching researcher friends are currently looking into. AI's potentially very detrimental to thinking, it seems, but probably not due to the most common reasons given against it.

[glad osprey]

i legitimately do art first before anything just so I don't have to do a placeholder sprite

[hard needle]

pfff placeholder sprites?

[sturdy compass]

I just ripped Cryptid’s placeholder atlas for placeholder sprites lmfao

[glad osprey]

ai def can be good (just look at doug doug or vedal) but most of the ways it's used are terrible

[shell timber]

i'm not actually blanket ai ban i just cant think of a good use for it

[hushed field]

I tried working with placeholders but at this point I just make art before I get into something

[sturdy compass]

My goats…

[frosty rampart]

peak art

[hard needle]

ai is funny

[sonic cedar]

OK.

[modern kindle]

I would personally think age plays a factor
(Not that I'm educated in it)
I haven't lost my critical thinking skills cause I've asked chatgpt some things

[sturdy compass]

Still not there…

[glad osprey]

the only reason I made placeholder art for TMD was because someone else is working on it now and they don't do art 😭

[sturdy compass]

Hold on imma do this for ya

[brisk rose]

I mean idk I'd have to wait for the research to really pan out before I take super preliminary stuff as meaning much. Not to be contrarian for the sake of it, but I just highly doubt it.

Plus no one wants to learn in a school setting anyway. I was the fucking validictorian and cheated whenever it was convienent becuase fuck that shit

[sturdy compass]

LMFAO

[brisk rose]

And this was well before LLMs

[hard needle]

💀

[frosty rampart]

awful. thank you

[brisk rose]

Also names being AI is such a triviality. If you get a good idea for a name from an ai, who the fuck cares

[glad osprey]

rate the placeholder art

[glad osprey]

discord should add votekicking

[sonic cedar]

why is it placeholder

[glad osprey]

because i needed placeholder art

[proud moon]

ive got a question,

[sonic cedar]

so ask it

[glad osprey]

no

[modern kindle]

Guys what if we are all placeholders

[glad osprey]

next person

[red flower]

ive got an answer: 42

[brisk rose]

I don't like AI joker art because it looks like shit, but I do not object to it on a deeper level, but again, this discussion is very overplayed recently

[proud moon]

i meant to press shift+enter not enter, oops

[shell timber]

something something dont ask to ask

[hard needle]

guys i have a question about a question about a question

can i ask my question about a question about a question

[glad osprey]

hey guys can I ask if it's okay to ask about asking

[sturdy compass]

This is literally all it should be. Cut down on a little extra fluff for ya too (sorry notmario, your fluff is not welcome here >:( )

[sonic cedar]

there's like 5 more of me down the line this isnt a "what if" it's a "which one"

[modern kindle]

Guys I dont have a question

[shell timber]

i made a less fluff joker dw

[glad osprey]

guys i took someone's question

[frosty rampart]

in terms of actual art for my mod, i'm uh. slowly learning

[modern kindle]

I accidentally eated the other yous so it's just you now temporarily

[sturdy compass]

I am so blessed to have dedicated artists for Maximus 😭

[willow plinth]

are you one of those "system" people?

[hushed field]

I'll end on the note (to prevent taking this over for more ai discussion, ofc) that generally with any technology, it's not some inherent cancerousness that makes it detrimental. The issue with llms and learning aren't inherently llm based, just harshly enabled by them. But at the core is the same issue that makes social media, google search, and youtube algorithms detrimental, which is that there's patterns that enable and then promote behaviours that are detrimental, and use is prioritized over correctness. The nuanced take, I guess, is 'phone bad' but this time a zoomer says it. The entire crux of it comes down to the use case and accessibility of it, and LLMs make this worse due to feeding into sci-fi narrativization that even people that work in the ai field can't properly separate themselves from

[modern kindle]

Ive had to bribe my artist with mcdonalds

[glad osprey]

this sounds so bigoted 😭

[red flower]

it's capitalism

[shell timber]

okay yeah im not inherently anti ai im anti ai slop

[hushed field]

Eh, yeah and no I guess, haha

[long sun]

hihi, quick question

daft question

[glad osprey]

british

[shell timber]

do ask