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[rugged pier]

gnight everyone

[tawny narwhal]

Gn good fellow

cheers for your help

[minor furnace]

you probably should use SMODS.create_card, I just don't

[radiant plank]

thanks yeah i saw that code in card.lua for other jokers but something is trying to index center and it was crashing because of nil

guess i should just find the source of the crash instead of using SMODS.create_card

[minor furnace]

what does your current code look like for creating the card?

[radiant plank]

one second ill share it

totally written by me and nobody else btw

if #G.consumeables.cards + G.GAME.consumeable_buffer < G.consumeables.config.card_limit then
  G.E_MANAGER:add_event(Event({
    trigger = 'before',
    delay = 0.0,
    func = (function()
      local card = create_card('Tarot', G.consumeables, nil, nil, nil, nil, key, 'double')
      card:add_to_deck()
      G.consumeables:emplace(card)
      G.GAME.consumeable_buffer = 0
      return true
    end
  )}))

key is not nil

wait i think i might see it, bout to test it

[minor furnace]

yeah key is the card you're trying to force to be created

[radiant plank]

yeah im setting that up manually

[tawny narwhal]

Guess whaaaattt

[radiant plank]

found the problem

[tawny narwhal]

I get a NEW ERROR

yaay

[minor furnace]

what did you get now

[radiant plank]

i needed this line before the call to G.E_MANAGER:add_event:

G.GAME.consumeable_buffer = G.GAME.consumeable_buffer + 1

[daring fern]

Is the key correct?

[tawny narwhal]

Ya

and for the mod ID, I use the prefix right?

that's what someone told me earlier

[daring fern]

When does it happen?

[tawny narwhal]

As soon as I play the 20th High card hand

[minor furnace]

yeah so it should be c_prefix_cardkey

[daring fern]

Show the code.

[tawny narwhal]

SMODS.Joker {
    key = 'stellar_collapse',
    loc_txt = {
        name = 'Stellar Collapse',
        text = {
            "After {C:attention}#2# High Card{} hands,",
            "collapses into {C:legendary}Singularity{}.",
            "{C:inactive}(Currently {C:attention}#1#{C:inactive} hands played)",
        }
    },
    config = { extra = { high_card_count = 0, high_card_limit = 20 } },
    rarity = 2,
    atlas = 'collapseatlas',
    pos = { x = 0, y = 0 },
    cost = 6,
    loc_vars = function(self, info_queue, card)
        return { vars = { card.ability.extra.high_card_count, card.ability.extra.high_card_limit } }
    end,

    calculate = function(self, card, context)
        if context.before and context.scoring_name == "High Card" and not context.blueprint then
            -- Increment count
            card.ability.extra.high_card_count = card.ability.extra.high_card_count + 1
            
            -- Check if it should transform
            if card.ability.extra.high_card_count >= card.ability.extra.high_card_limit then
                G.E_MANAGER:add_event(Event({
                    trigger = "after",
                    delay = 0.15,
                    func = function()
                        card:set_ability("j_LSingle_singular")
                        play_sound("CollapseBoom")
                        card:juice_up(0.3, 0.3)
                        return true
                    end,
                }))
            end

            -- Normal progress message
            return {
                message = "Collapsing...",
                colour = G.C.ATTENTION,
                card = card
            }
        end
    end
}

[minor furnace]

what is card:set_ability("j_LSingle_singular")

[tawny narwhal]

^^^

I was told to use that to make a joker transform into another (kinda like Ghost)

[minor furnace]

huh

I've only ever used that function for giving cards enhancements

[tawny narwhal]

Hmm... SO what Would I do for turning it into another joker (i.e. destroying itself and spawning 'singuler')

Bruh my keyboard is on the fritz

[daring fern]

What I said does work.

[minor furnace]

I wasn't saying it didn't work, I just wasn't aware the function did that

[tawny narwhal]

should this
-- Normal progress message return { message = "Collapsing...", colour = G.C.ATTENTION, card = card
be nested in an else? (I should really learn lua better IK)

[daring fern]

Every time you play high card it's going to say Collapsing...

[tawny narwhal]

Well thats fine, since once it transforms it'll be a different joker

[minor furnace]

what is line 262 of your card.lua?

and also, did you start a new run before testing this

[daring fern]

Your prefix is LSingle right?

[tawny narwhal]

yessir

Maybe me trying to trigger = 'after' is doing something funky?

[minor furnace]

idk

there's also the chance that trying to change a joker within itself causes some weird pointer issues

but I couldn't tell you

nope, I put it in one of my own jokers and it worked

although I didn't do it as part of the event manager

[tawny narwhal]

Could I see that?

[minor furnace]

works in the event manager too

this is all I have in the calculate function

        if context.end_of_round then
            G.E_MANAGER:add_event(Event({
                trigger = "after",
                delay = 0.15,
                func = function()
                    card:set_ability("j_reverse_rekoj")
                    card:juice_up(0.3, 0.3)
                    return true
                end,
            }))
            return {message = "test", colour = G.C.ATTENTION, card = card}
        end
    end```

[tawny narwhal]

WAIT

IT WORKED I THINK

[minor furnace]

did you perhaps

[tawny narwhal]

JUST THE SOUND DIDN'T WORK

[minor furnace]

did you forget to start a new run the last time you tested it before the sound error?

[plush cove]

question

so for a while I've had a system where I put all my special mod variables into their own table, so that I don't accidentally create a "unique_jokers" table that overlaps another mod

is this a good practice or would I be better off just changing it to be more like on the right

[tawny narwhal]

That... may have been the case

[native zinc]

programmer art is insane

[minor furnace]

tonight's mod was brought to you by the letter 'B'

[tawny narwhal]

NOOO

It crashed again

why......

[plush cove]

neater looking version of the second one

is there even any performance difference at all?

[tawny narwhal]

wait

WAIT

NO

IT CAN'T BE

Is it because the card it's trying to turn into was undiscovered

[minor furnace]

I assume the difference between individual prefixed variables and storing them in a table is just a single pointer operation every time you want to access it, unless you're indexing it with ['key']

[plush cove]

i'm just referring to it like this

[tawny narwhal]

nvm it crashed even with the card discovered

[minor furnace]

shouldn't be? at least I don't think.

Emperor can create undiscovered tarots

[minor furnace]

I don't think you need to worry about performance issues unless you're deeply nesting loops, or making recursive functions

as a rule of thumb

[tawny narwhal]

okay

working again

just sound I needc help with

how do I specify the file location

I'm looking at the SMODS sound page

And I'm goofy

nvm

[tawny narwhal]

Okay... IDK what I've done wrong

I've specified the key and the path for my sounds

But it keeps crashing with the same error as before

[lament agate]

screenshot the path and the audio

[tawny narwhal]

In the files?

[lament agate]

yes

[lament agate]

is it .ogg or is it .wav

[tawny narwhal]

.ogg

[wintry solar]

Show the code where you’re trying to use it

[tawny narwhal]

calculate = function(self, card, context)
        if context.before and context.scoring_name == "High Card" and not context.blueprint then
            -- Increment count
            card.ability.extra.high_card_count = card.ability.extra.high_card_count + 1
            
            play_sound('Stellar_Upgrade', 1, 0.7)

            -- Check if it should transform
            if card.ability.extra.high_card_count >= card.ability.extra.high_card_limit then
                G.E_MANAGER:add_event(Event({
                    trigger = "after",
                    delay = 0.15,
                    func = function()
                        card:set_ability("j_LSingle_singular")
                        play_sound('Stellar_Transform', 1, 0.7)
                        card:juice_up(0.3, 0.3)
                        return true
                    end,
                }))
            end

            -- Normal progress message
            return {
                message = "Collapsing...",
                colour = G.C.ATTENTION,
                card = card
            }
        end
    end
}

I intially had the upgrade sound in the return, but I just tried moving it out to see if that'd change it

[wintry solar]

You need your mod prefix on the sound key

[tawny narwhal]

oh fr?

I knew it'd be something goofy like that

cheers broiski

[stray warren]

Is there a scoring_hand cardarea to check for scoring cards? I can't remember

[wintry solar]

G.play

[stray warren]

That's all the cards though, right? I just want the ones that actually score

[wintry solar]

Nope it’s just scoring cards

Unscored cards have context.cardarea == “unscored”

[stray warren]

Ah, I was using G.hand.highlighted. Forgot to change it 🤦‍♂️

Ok actually, that brings me to my next question. How do I check for the scoring cards when they are played in a blind? This code doesn't seem to be working. It's supposed to add the scored ranks to a table, but I don't think the cards are actually in G.play at the point that press_play runs:

  press_play = function(self)
    for k, v in pairs(G.play.cards) do
      if not SMODS.has_no_rank(v) then
        G.GAME.blind.config.blind.ranks_played[v:get_id()] = true
      end
    end
  end,

  -- Debuff ranks registered in ranks_played when a hand is drawn
  drawn_to_hand = function(self)
    for k, v in pairs(G.playing_cards) do
      if not SMODS.has_no_rank(v) then
        if G.GAME.blind.config.blind.ranks_played[v:get_id()] then
          v:set_debuff(true)
        end
      end
    end
  end,

  -- Set the ranks_played table to an empty table for if the boss shows back up
  defeat = function(self)
    G.GAME.blind.config.blind.ranks_played = {}
  end,
}

[wintry solar]

I believe you can use the new blind calculate functions to do this

[stray warren]

Oh that's a thing? I didn't see it on the Wiki. That sounds like what I need

tbf I was only looking in the Blind section

Uh, is the calculate function just calculate for a blind with the same parameters and contexts as other objects?

[gray apex]

Made multiple Shortcuts stack

[stray warren]

Ah, I think I found it on the repo.

[native zinc]

there really should be a mod that just makes all duplicate jokers stack some way

[iron iron]

i beleve thats a thing?

ik theres one that makes bp compatible with almost everything

[tawny narwhal]

Hey guys, last thing. My joker plays a sound when a high card is played, and also has a sound for when it transforms into another joker. Problem is, when the 20th High card hand is played, both sounds play, and I only want the transform sound. any tips?

here is the code

 calculate = function(self, card, context)
        if context.before and context.scoring_name == "High Card" and not context.blueprint then
            -- Increment count
            card.ability.extra.high_card_count = card.ability.extra.high_card_count + 1

            -- Check if it should transform
            if card.ability.extra.high_card_count >= card.ability.extra.high_card_limit then
                G.E_MANAGER:add_event(Event({
                    trigger = "after",
                    delay = 0.15,
                    sound ='LSingle_StellarTransform',
                    func = function()
                        card:set_ability("j_LSingle_singular")
                        card:juice_up(0.3, 0.3)
                        return true
                    end,
                }))
            end

            -- Normal progress message
            return {
                message = "Collapsing...",
                sound = 'LSingle_StellarUpgrade',
                colour = G.C.ATTENTION,
                card = card
            }
        end
    end
}

[daring fern]

You should put an if around the 2nd one checking that high_card_count is less than high_card_limit

[tawny narwhal]

Okay, the upgrade sound doens't play anymore, but the upgrade sound doesn't play either. Not sure why.

NVM, fixxed

[hard flume]

Bells & Whistles

[untold saddle]

can i change the ingame currency ($) with an image?

[primal robin]

Good luck

[desert ore]

Are there any mods that have a functionality added that allow multiple different enhancements on a single card? If it's a lot of custom I might just keep the idea on the backburner

[daring fern]

I'm pretty sure Steamodded has quantum enhancements built in.

[desert ore]

Oh shit, sweet. For editions or enhancements too?

[hushed field]

what's your specific idea, btw?

[desert ore]

Just a joker that allows "quantum enhancements" as you called it for Aces

Or not you

But Somethingcom

[hushed field]

quantum enhancements allow for jokers to have effects like 'all stone cards count as copper cards'. It also works for ranks and suits, but you have to be prepared to deal with some jank, as you can't check for rank or suit the normal way in the check enhancement context for quantum enhancements

[fading kestrel]

Is there a mod that makes this mess of jokers easier to sort through?

[humble girder]

there is no mod that makes the gameplay of cryptid reasonable, no

[desert ore]

Yeah this makes sense, having a stone wild card is a paradox lol

Jank is to be expected

[limber blaze]

stone wild cards are just wild cards with 50 chips makes sense to me

[daring fern]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1258438028800692224

[humble girder]

i dunno about that
-# try baliatro today

[desert ore]

But like what I was think is like, stacking enhancements and stuff like that. So like if you use a devil on a glass card, it becomes a gold card and a glass card, rather than converting

[hushed field]

damn, they're learning. they're shilling their mod now 😛

[desert ore]

And you could stack another

[fading kestrel]

Thanks

[hushed field]

You'd have to implement a custom system for that, I reckon. It's an interesting idea, but I suspect it'd be quite some refactoring code

[desert ore]

Hmm. Well maybe once I know a little more I'll throw my hat at it. Thanks for the help guys

Wait a minute that would be a nightmare visually, enhancements are a custom png not a layer thing

Yeah maybe this is too much of a pipe dream

[gentle rain]

is it blueprint compatible too?

[desert ore]

Wait a min I'm just talkin out my ass, ah well whatever I need sleep

[next timber]

is there a way to make a seal that prevents flipping by boss blinds?

[worthy stirrup]

Im trying to make it so my joker copies to the left and not the right, but it still says its compat with the one on the right.

heres the jokers code

[humble girder]

hook Blind:stay_flipped to check for your seal on the card being evaluated

[next timber]

👍

[worthy stirrup]

i honestly dont know what to do

[humble girder]

if G.jokers.cards[i] == self then self is a center

if G.jokers.cards[i] == card then

similarly other_joker ~= card

[manic rune]

good morning everyone

[humble girder]

      card.ability.name = "Blueprint"
      return {
          vars = {card.ability.name == "Blueprint"},
          main_end = main_end
      }
  end,```
this is probably every kind of wrong

[hard flume]

Hi :3

[worthy stirrup]

that works like normal blueprint

[manic rune]

hi 🥕

[humble girder]

first of all

you set your card's ability name to blueprint

that will trigger all the vanilla code

to consider your card a blueprint

[manic rune]

can i ask what main_end does?

i never used it before

[humble girder]

no fucking clue

[worthy stirrup]

oh

i dont know but it just doesnt work without it

[humble girder]

also you set your card ability name to blueprint and then set vars to a comparison for the same value

which is literally just true

[worthy stirrup]

the main_end btw

[humble girder]

there is no case in which vars = {card.ability.name == "Blueprint"}, isn't equivalent to vars = {true}

which makes me think there's a lot of copy pasting going on here that you don't understand the purpose of

[daring fern]

I'm pretty sure this is what you are looking for ```lua
loc_vars = function(self,info_queue,card)
card.ability.blueprint_compat_ui = card.ability.blueprint_compat_ui or ''; card.ability.blueprint_compat_check = nil
return {
main_end = (card.area and card.area == G.jokers) and {
{n=G.UIT.C, config={align = "bm", minh = 0.4}, nodes={
{n=G.UIT.C, config={ref_table = card, align = "m", colour = G.C.JOKER_GREY, r = 0.05, padding = 0.06, func = 'blueprint_compat'}, nodes={
{n=G.UIT.T, config={ref_table = card.ability, ref_value = 'blueprint_compat_ui',colour = G.C.UI.TEXT_LIGHT, scale = 0.32*0.8}},
}}
}}
} or nil
}
end,

[humble girder]

oh interesting

so main_end adds a set of extra ui nodes to the end of the uibox

[manic rune]

ohhh

that sounds useful

[hushed field]

yup, main_start is the other side of that same coin

[crisp coral]

then where is main_middle

[humble girder]

interesting, i might abuse this

[hard flume]

How do I make it so that only a certain suit can have a certain rank? Is that even possible?

[hard flume]

(I wanna make musical ranks but only have them be able to have Bells and Whistles as their suit)

[worthy stirrup]

I think i have the code set up right

[humble girder]

you don't

your code is very far from correct

you're still checking for self in update instead of card

[worthy stirrup]

oh right

fuck

[humble girder]

second, there are two incompatibles in your box which makes me think that you're still somehow tripping vanilla code

[manic rune]

ive been making blinds, and i wonder if theres an equivalent to card.ability to store data that can be used and isn't reset whenever you re-enter the run?

[humble girder]

G.GAME.blind

[manic rune]

.

:3

[daring fern]

Update should be like this. ```lua
update = function(self, card, context)
local other_joker = nil
if G.STAGE == G.STAGES.RUN then
for i = 1, #G.jokers.cards do
if G.jokers.cards[i] == card then other_joker = G.jokers.cards[i-1] end
end
if other_joker and other_joker ~= self and other_joker.config.center.blueprint_compat then
card.ability.blueprint_compat = 'compatible'
else
card.ability.blueprint_compat = 'incompatible'
end
end
end

[humble girder]

you missed a self

it's orange

[manic rune]

i could've swore i used that but it still resets, thanks

[daring fern]

It works for me.

[hushed field]

nope! ❤️

[humble girder]

other_joker ~= self

that check is pointless by the way

[manic rune]

...actually?

[humble girder]

but it's still checking a card against a center

[hushed field]

Actually. No vanilla blind stores information. I'm doing it by setting current.round variables for kino, atm

[manic rune]

-# fuck

[humble girder]

that's incorrect though Ice

[hushed field]

wait, is it?

That's good to know

[humble girder]

G.GAME.blind is your intended "card" for the current blind

look at stuff like fish, which store their state vars in self (which in vanilla is G.GAME.blind)

[worthy stirrup]

there still is two for some reason, even i dont see me calling for any of blueprints needs

[manic rune]

i tried storing into self.config before

[humble girder]

of course it kinda starts breaking apart if you want multiple blinds active at the same time

[hushed field]

I think I've misinterpreted Aiko, then. They're using the debuff table to store information, and that it didn't save/load properly

[humble girder]

never EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER modify ANYTHING on self in an SMODS.GameObject

[worthy stirrup]

I think i should edit

            card.ability.blueprint_compat = 'compatible'
        else
            card.ability.blueprint_compat = 'incompatible'
        end

[manic rune]

im sorry 💔

[worthy stirrup]

but idk what to edit but it gives me the vibe sometghings wrong

[hard flume]

I assume it's possible with a bunch of workarounds, and presumably hooks or patches, but I'm not sure which one I should do

(As in, whether I should do hooks or patches or none at all(

[humble girder]

sudden idea: blueprint update() could be eliminated if joker reordering evaluated a context (event driven rather than looping the array of jokers for every blueprint you own)

[hushed field]

Hmm, fish doesn't have any variables it needs to store right?

[humble girder]

it does

when a hand is drawn you can't differentiate in a vanilla blind between cards drawn as a result of a discard and cards drawn as a result of a hand played

so fish stores a prepped flag every time you play a hand to signal that cards drawn until the next discard are supposed to be drawn face down

[hushed field]

yes, but that's unflagged the moment the cards are drawn, no?

[humble girder]

it's not persistent state i guess

okay then look at crimson heart

same thing

[hushed field]

And no saves can happen during that state, so it never needs to save it's state

[humble girder]

saved into G.GAME.blind

and it needs to save/load the joker that is being debuffed to function correctly

yes, being debuffed is an attribute of the joker but crimson heart needs to understand which joker is being debuffed as it cannot pick the same one twice in arow

[hushed field]

Crimson Heart doesn't store the debuffed card, no? I though it flagged a card as debuffed on the card object, and then checks if there is currently a card being debuffed by it

[humble girder]

it does

it absolutely stores it

listen i had to reimplement every vanilla blind as an SMODS.Blind in baliatro, i know exactly how much state is being stored

[hushed field]

haha, I believe you, no worries, I'm just not sure how it saves it then? Is it just because the data that you tie directly to the object gets saved?

[humble girder]

everything under G.GAME is being saved

simple as that really

saving a run saves the G.GAME table and every cardarea under G

[manic rune]

wait, actually?? 😭

is it for ur uhh deal with the devil or smt

[hushed field]

I've been operating under a very wrong understanding of the save system then! God, that's good to have someone correct me on

[manic rune]

im glad i learned something from asking a dumb question :3

[humble girder]

it is for the deal with the devil

[crisp coral]

save system is wack

[manic rune]

true

i still gotta figure out how sounds work

ghhh

[humble girder]

i also had to hook every blind hook

[manic rune]

dear god

[hushed field]

I thought it reset instances of each object based on their configs, and only saved specific data, but I guess it makes sense that it can save then. Do you know if the save system interacts strangely with tables, then? Because for my custom blinds, I stored information in the debuff table, which didn't seem to save

[humble girder]

try baliatro sometimes this year (perhaps today)

[crisp coral]

naww the baliatro promotions

i'm losing so hard in this selfpromo game

[manic rune]

i need to put my mod's name in my nickname again

[mental nacelle]

i managed to do this (i cant figure out how to get blinds to reset from the second boss and not the first)

[manic rune]

there we go

[humble girder]

i have no idea what the debuff table is if i'm being honest

[manic rune]

fused all the four names together

[crisp coral]

the most I've done is putting L Corp. Myst as my nickname once

[manic rune]

that helps a lot

[hushed field]

I'll mess around a bit more with it with this knowledge in mind

[manic rune]

every single project moon agent in existence when they hear a game got a pm-related mod:

[crisp coral]

Ante always increases after beating a Boss Blind, regardless of where it is on the blind deck

[lament agate]

how do you edit the logo appearing on the main menu

[humble girder]

this is what is being saved

oh hold on

you're onto something

[crisp coral]

onto what

[humble girder]

Blind:save() is very conservatively implemented

[mental nacelle]

so, would there be a way to reset from the fourth blind, unless I made the third blind draw from a set of non-boss blinds?

[humble girder]

okay i take back everything @hushed field i'm stupid lol

but also this does raise an interesting question

i might contribute some blind state saving to SMODS to sort it

[crisp coral]

there's a function that checks for Blind type

hook to it

[humble girder]

i actually think there might be vanilla blind bugs hidden here if i looked deeper

[crisp coral]

what question!!!!

[manic rune]

blud said that and never specified the question 💔

[humble girder]

seems like most of the blind data actually ends up being saved in card abilities

[manic rune]

but also

[hushed field]

Hahaha, good to know. I have no clue how the save system works so if you tell me something does save, I'll assume I've just implemented things wrong 😋

[manic rune]

does that mean theres no consistent way to save stuff for a blind rn?

unless through G.GAME, but that probably requires everything to be reset whenever you face the blind again

[humble girder]

so here's the thing right

[crisp coral]

mhm

[manic rune]

-# god damn it

[hushed field]

Easiest solve is just add the base info onto the blind, and have it create a table for it in G.GAME.current_round that it'll alter and check

[crisp coral]

save to G.GAME.blind instead and hook to save funcs

[humble girder]

the best thing you can do is you can do like G.GAME[G.GAME.blind.config.blind.key] = {my_state_var1 = 'foo'}

store it in a keyed table under G.GAME

[manic rune]

i have no clue where the save funcs in question would be :3

[humble girder]

it is guaranteed to save

[manic rune]

ah

hm

[crisp coral]

Blind:save and Blind:load

[humble girder]

just make sure you hook set_blind to reset that table

[manic rune]

-# oh fuck that exists?

[humble girder]

much simpler than overriding Blind:save and Blind:load imo

[crisp coral]

girl

[manic rune]

man

[hushed field]

Oh, that brings up a question on my end, what's the logic between what is stored in G.GAME[x] vs G.GAME.current_round[x]?

[humble girder]

current_round is reset every round

G.GAME is not

[manic rune]

wouldnt G.GAME.current_round be more convenient in this case?

[humble girder]

technically yes

[manic rune]

since theres no need to reset stuff afterwards in set_blind

[humble girder]

sort of

it is for vanilla use cases

[manic rune]

boy

[humble girder]

i'll absolutely hate you when i have to patch around it for deals with the devil but you can do it

[manic rune]

;3

[crisp coral]

well however you save your blinds you can't really save specific cards

[manic rune]

i guess i will do your approach then, i will try my best to avoid conflicting other mods

[crisp coral]

you still need flags on the cards instead

[manic rune]

damn

i havent look into flags yet

[crisp coral]

just set stuff in card.ability

[humble girder]

card.ability is saved as-is

it's saved so as-is that if a function ends up in card.ability the game crashes on save

[hushed field]

Wait, really? That'd imply I should have some bugs that I don't seem to be having. Or I've just fully missed them so far

[manic rune]

ohhhh

icic

[humble girder]

so there is kind of a caveat

[crisp coral]

it might only be resetting specific keys

[manic rune]

i already did that, but i thought flags r a different concept

[humble girder]

as most things in balatro, it's not cleanly reset

it's literally resetting each key one by one 🙂

[hushed field]

Ofc hahaha

[crisp coral]

swag

[manic rune]

wha

💔

[crisp coral]

balatro is a if it works it works game

[humble girder]

so you'd still need reset logic bepis

[manic rune]

i wonder why "core" is dark

[humble girder]

cry_ dansgame

[manic rune]

:3

[manic rune]

truly a moment indeed

this should do the work righte

[humble girder]

yes

[tall wharf]

fuck

I've accidentally ordered

something from the store that i already left lmao

[manic rune]

nice

[tall wharf]

WDYM NICE

oh lmao

I'm stupid

I'm in dev

[humble girder]

nice

[manic rune]

nice

[mental nacelle]

patching into blind:get_type doesnt increase the ante, but it still resets to small blind

[reef belfry]

Im suffering the consequences of making a detailed joker again

[wintry solar]

All the vanilla blind stuff is very hard coded iirc

I might do a blind update for smods to allow for a lot more options

[manic rune]

SAAAAAAAAANS??????

[raw geyser]

How do you add a custom drawstep?

[wintry solar]

Just put what would have been in the draw function in it

[humble girder]

baliatro already adds a bunch of extra triggers for blinds so you can do more

i wanted to contribute that to SMODS too

but i'm waiting for aure to knock out blind contexts and so i can understand what he's refactoring there

[hushed field]

are blinds receiving even more contexts than the last update gave 'm?

[manic rune]

so far blind calculate has been very friendly to beginners like me

[humble girder]

idk are they just done?

maybe i have missed that they're just done

[manic rune]

i think blinds don't have any new contexts

[hushed field]

yeah I meant calc support generally

[manic rune]

oh yeah, baliame, how does context.modify_scoring_hand work?

its not documented so idk how to get it workin

[humble girder]

i assume whatever calcs we have right now correspond with the blind functionality (recalc_debuff, set_blind, press_play, etc.)

so we're probably not getting more calcs unless we get more blind hooks

i do intend to add more blind hooks

[humble girder]

no idea

[manic rune]

man, i sure love undocumented features

[humble girder]

actually

i do have a sort of an idea

[manic rune]

go on, im listening

[humble girder]

it runs on each G.play card, and you can return {add_to_hand = true/false, remove_from_hand = true/false} to make that card storing/not scoring

but it seems like it only runs on cards in play so you can't do fun stuff like i did with splatter

-# try baliatro on the next day ending with 'y'

[manic rune]

mmmm

[humble girder]

quite possibly one of the strongest jokers in my set

[manic rune]

it is

scoring 10 cards at most is insane lol

and i imagine those scored cards in hand also function as cards in hand?

like, steel cards would still work

[humble girder]

yes, those cards are both scored and held in hand

[manic rune]

jesus

[humble girder]

not as big of an advantage as it sounds

[manic rune]

gold ticket would go crazy

[humble girder]

it's an upgraded joker, it's quite hard to force specific upgraded jokers

[manic rune]

upgraded jokers??

:3 i shpuld really check out your mod

[humble girder]

it's a postcard effect

upgrades a compatible joker

inspired by bazaar, tbh

only common jokers have upgrade paths though

[wintry solar]

Yeah I think it only runs on cards you play

It’s easy to add cards in hand to scoring though

[humble girder]

some of them are just strong

[manic rune]

how would u do this 🤔

[humble girder]

some of them can really go off the rails

[manic rune]

oh, so like, joker evolution?

[gray apex]

Was testing a new Joker, and... guessed the 1 in a 1000 chance first try...
(The min and max update dynamically based on your guesses)

[manic rune]

cavendish broke

[humble girder]

surely when you get a 1 in 1000 first try you have to assume your code is wrong

[manic rune]

baliame, i thought my gacha code broke too

like, i got the 0.3% twice in a row

but turned out its just the seed i got is cracked as hell

[hushed field]

I've had a 1/4 chance trigger 16 times in a row during testing, and spent too much time bugfixing something that wasn't broken

[manic rune]

💔

[humble girder]

okay so

maybe lua's rng implementation just sucks ass

[manic rune]

you always have insane luck when you are playtesting your mod

[wintry solar]

# Polydactyly
[[patches]]
[patches.pattern]
target = 'functions/state_events.lua'
match_indent = true
position = 'before'
pattern = '''
-- TARGET: adding to hand effects
'''
payload = '''
local ortalab_poly_jokers = SMODS.find_card('j_ortalab_polydactyly')
if next(ortalab_poly_jokers) and (next(poker_hands['Straight']) or next(poker_hands['Flush'])) then
    for i=1, ortalab_poly_jokers[1].ability.extra.cards do
        table.insert(final_scoring_hand, G.hand.cards[i])
    end
    SMODS.calculate_effect({message = localize('ortalab_polydactyly')}, ortalab_poly_jokers[1])
end
'''

This is the patch I have that does it in ortalab

[manic rune]

awww, we need a patch for that? 💔

[wintry swallow]

Does anyone know a mod that can choose jokers before starting a game? I want to use it for testing several jokers at once

[humble girder]

[[patches]]
[patches.pattern]
target = "functions/state_events.lua"
pattern = '-- TARGET: adding to hand effects'
position = 'after'
payload = '''
local extra_cards = 0
for i, joker in ipairs(G.jokers.cards) do
    if not joker.debuff and joker.config.center.additional_scoring_cards and type(joker.config.center.additional_scoring_cards) == 'function' then
        extra_cards = extra_cards + joker.config.center:additional_scoring_cards(joker)
    end
end

extra_cards = math.min(extra_cards, #G.hand.cards)

for i = 1, extra_cards do
    table.insert(final_scoring_hand, G.hand.cards[i])
end
'''
match_indent = true```

generic additional_scoring_cards center implementation

[manic rune]

use debug plus

it allows you to spawn anything

[humble girder]

also lmao i remember i marked this experimental and then it just worked perfectly first try

i felt like the game might have something to say about G.hand cards scoring, nope, it's all okay

[gray apex]

Ah, yeah code was bugged

[humble girder]

called it

[gray apex]

It only needed one digit in the correct spot

Funny it happened thrice tho lmao

[daring fern]

How does one make it so something only triggers once no matter how many copys of the joker there are?

[wintry solar]

Yeah, cards that are “scored” dont actually care where they are

It means making hand cards score is remarkably easy

[rain slate]

make a global variable in like G.GAME

like G.GAME.your_joker_triggered and then like ```lua
if not G.GAME.your_joker_triggered and other_conditions then
G.GAME.your_joker_triggered = true
-- do the stuff
end

[native zinc]

one full page yall

[hushed field]

Good job!

Oh no wait sorry

Bood Bob!

[native zinc]

B B B B B bb b

[rancid bridge]

B indeed...

[native zinc]

alas there are actually 17 jokers but two of them are on Commented for the Forseeable Future because they're blueprints and dont work with retriggers

[hushed field]

I need to figure out how I want the synergy messages to work 🤔 the current system is super annoying.

As I'm typing this I'm realizing I can just limit it to one message per joker and just have it display an xN thing behind it

Oh ugh I also still need to do the config UI change because I have too many config options at this point

[native zinc]

i need to make a markdown list of jokers asp

might as well do it now

[hushed field]

Markdown?

For the readme on your git?

[native zinc]

yeah\

alternatively i make a google sheets or something

[normal crest]

Or put your mod in the wiki

[hushed field]

I think oinite just added a localization parses, so it really is dead easy to add your stuff to the wiki now

[normal crest]

Oh? How does that work

[stiff locust]

i need a sanity check does anyone know how to change the rank of a card

[normal crest]

SMODS.change_base

[stiff locust]

assert(SMODS.change_base(card2, nil, "9"))
this crashes

is that supposed to crash

[normal crest]

What's the crash?

[stiff locust]

assertion failed

card2 exists i made sure of it

[hushed field]

I haven't used it yet, myself, so not entirely sure. They've posted about it in the wiki discord though!

[normal crest]

I'm not sure why that'd fail tbh

Unless card2 isn't a playing card

[stiff locust]

card2 should be a playing card
for index, card2 in ipairs(context.full_hand) do
tis defined here

[normal crest]

It looks like change_base returns the card, and in your case the card is somehow nil

But not before it tries to change the rank

So I'm not sure what's going on

[stiff locust]

removing the assert makes it work

i don't know why the assert was there

[normal crest]

That's odd

[native zinc]

assert for other.card

and debugging

[manic rune]

almost 1k lines now, yipee

[rain slate]

I just referenced the strength code to make a utility function that does it for me (argument is a number from 2-14) ```lua
function Card:set_rank(new_rank)
local suit_prefix = string.sub(self.base.suit, 1, 1)..'_'
local rank_suffix = new_rank

if rank_suffix < 10 then rank_suffix = tostring(rank_suffix)
elseif rank_suffix == 10 then rank_suffix = 'T'
elseif rank_suffix == 11 then rank_suffix = 'J'
elseif rank_suffix == 12 then rank_suffix = 'Q'
elseif rank_suffix == 13 then rank_suffix = 'K'
elseif rank_suffix == 14 then rank_suffix = 'A'
end

self:set_base(G.P_CARDS[suit_prefix..rank_suffix])

end

[manic rune]

it doesnt affect anything but

this part is not that necessary

[rain slate]

ik

[manic rune]

oh but also, whats "T"?

i just noticed that

[rain slate]

I think for some reason the ten has like a letter

[manic rune]

does balatro not like "10" and use T instead

:3

wtf

[rain slate]

that was just in the strength code

[manic rune]

💔

[rain slate]

[manic rune]

[native zinc]

ye

because

[zealous glen]

Has anyone here added a custom context with automatic calculation

[native zinc]

D_9
D_10
D_J
D_Q
D_K
D_A

[manic rune]

i mean, i guess its to make it consistent

[rain slate]

oh cuz it'd be one letter longer than the others

the horror

[native zinc]

i bet with 100% certainty that either localthunk wanted a nice list or it actually matters in some horrid spaghetti code

ig also explain why ace is id 14

its to make it higher than kings

i think 1 is stone cards?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rain slate]

if you just do SMODS.calculate_context({ insert table here }) it will do it all for you

[manic rune]

nop

[native zinc]

stone cards are just nothing

nvrm ind

[rain slate]

stone cards are actually funny

cuz they have a suit and rank

[zealous glen]

I don’t think it handles animations automatically

[rain slate]

it just doesn't get used

[native zinc]

ig there's straight up no id 1

[native zinc]

vampire:

[rain slate]

well

in regular circumstances

[rain slate]

wdym

[zealous glen]

I don’t think that’s true

Stone Cards are negative

[native zinc]

oh

clever

but still no id 1?

[zealous glen]

@rain slate This (although that version shouldn’t have any animations anyways)

I tried to fix it and add an animation (when I tied it to a Joker) but I got nothing

[zealous glen]

It is possible for Stone Cards to form a Straight

Although I’m not sure if that’s a vanilla bug or a SMODS bug

I could only find reports of it in modded versions of the game

[native zinc]

just tested did not work

idk

[zealous glen]

Tested what

[native zinc]

i just converted a straight into stones with tower

[zealous glen]

No not like that

Stones have random negative IDs

[native zinc]

i assume the bug is doing something with the id

oh interestingly bad idea

[zealous glen]

But if those IDs are sequential they could be Straights I think

[native zinc]

painful

aur

[zealous glen]

Interesting

[native zinc]

it doesnt go below zero

[manic rune]

how is this not a rare 💔

[native zinc]

it's effectively just +4 hands/discards with a tossup on whether you actually get hands or discards

[humble girder]

i mean technically burglar turns 3 discards into 3 hands and it's a common

[manic rune]

thats an uncommon

[humble girder]

this is somewhat more flexible but at the end of the day it's an economy joker on par with golden joker

[manic rune]

not a common 😭

[humble girder]

right, uncommon, w/e

[manic rune]

and thats exactly my point

this seems better than burglar by a long (?) i forgot the idiom

[native zinc]

ig i can just knock it down to +2/+1

[humble girder]

here's my counter argument

having +1 hand is one of the weakest stats in the entire game

[manic rune]

i will assume that playing 1 hand -> +1 discard, using 1 discard -> +1 hand
can you imagine how broken that would be if this hits High Card

[humble girder]

not many jokers scale well off of hands played, the value of a leftover hand is $1

lmao mail-in rebate already effectively breaks the game without any other joker

[native zinc]

no

[humble girder]

to-do list hitting high card is a 1 in 10 and otherwise it's wasting a joker slot for the most part

[manic rune]

play 1 card, +$4
discard 1 card to get another +1 hand

repeat until you go through your entire deck, then win the round

[native zinc]

play 1 hand -> +1 discard -1 hand

[humble girder]

and even if you high-roll it, to-do list converts $1 into $4 which is on par with a gold seal

[native zinc]

use 1 discard -> +1 hand -1 discard

effectively +1 hand -2 discards

[humble girder]

i'm sorry bepis but you're way off on the balance of this card, it's actually really weak for an uncommon

[manic rune]

i could also argue that it goes really well with hanging chad + lucky cards/cards with gold seal too

theres nothing keeping you from just playing your entire deck

[humble girder]

there is a lot that keeps you from playing your entire deck

[manic rune]

or hanging chad + gold ticket

[humble girder]

with this joker playing 1 hand costs you 2 hands

[manic rune]

wait

OHHHHHH

[humble girder]

yes

use your brain pls

[manic rune]

i thought it meant playing a hand gives you a discard, and vice versa

[native zinc]

even when i have 9 hands here in reality i really have 5 if i dont discard further

[manic rune]

if its playing a hand -> reduces 1 hand, increases 1 discard then yeah, ig its fine

[native zinc]

i am on blue deck

that is a bad image

imagine 8 hands instead and 4 hands in reality if i dont discard further

[humble girder]

i actually think this is really weak for an uncommon

i can't think of a use-case

[manic rune]

true

i had the wrong impression 💔

[humble girder]

other than cashing in on hands

it's pretty good with green deck is about it

[native zinc]

my current use for this joker is uhhh ... fishing for royal flush and failing once in every 15 blinds

[manic rune]

💔

nahhhh

[zealous glen]

To Do L

[manic rune]

im never taking that honestly

😭

[manic rune]

i won gold stake with that before, helped me a lot with econ surprisingly

[zealous glen]

I’m just making a joke at the image

[manic rune]

:3

nah

i wont let you disrespect the joker...

[humble girder]

to do list more like to il etpaper

[native zinc]

unironically i cant believe that the joker named "Balancing Act" is the only joker that ive posted here that has a balance discussion spawn from it

[manic rune]

i mean

its truly a balancing art we are engaging in here

[zealous glen]

Bepis won’t let me disrespect pis

[manic rune]

pis off

💔

[humble girder]

i honestly find it funny that we'd ever bring up a joker as bad as to do list in a conversation about balance when mail-in rebate exists

[manic rune]

-# that was a joke, please dontt ake it seriously eofam

[zealous glen]

him? off*

Actually no that’s not how I wrote it

him i guess off*

[manic rune]

yeah but LIKE

the synergy with that rolling on High Card + a high number of hands is insane, think about it ❤️

potential joker

[humble girder]

thinking

thinking really hard

still thinking

thinking

...nope.

[zealous glen]

ing

[manic rune]

:( i will protect this joker even when im killed for it

my potential boy WILL get a W

[native zinc]

you say this but ive failed my last three todolist + balancingact test runs due to my greed

on white stake too. im a good player trus t me

death by 100 dollars and 50% of the required blind score

[humble girder]

1 in 10 (12?) to hit a "good" hand, and you gain $3 per extra hand played effectively, to do list is actual garbage and someone is doing cryptid levels of broken shit for it to have a measurable effect on balance

[normal crest]

you just gain 2 dollars per hand played

if you hit the right hand

[humble girder]

$3, but yes

(it's $4 at base value)

[normal crest]

Oh I thought it was 3

[humble girder]

i''ve already accounted for losing $1 because you played a hand

[normal crest]

It's not terrible IF you actually hit a good hand

[native zinc]

i hit rebate more often when i throw it in haphazardly as a negative and accidentally play the right hand without looking at it

[normal crest]

More money is always a good thing

[humble girder]

the only good hand is high card, maybe an argument can be made for pair

at best it's a 1 in 6

[manic rune]

i have an idea: i want my jokers to have effects that are outside scoring purposes too, but at the same time, i dont want to abuse the page mechanic too much:

do you think its a good idea to convert this description to something else when you are not in a blind, and converts it back when you are? but at the same time, it will make it so you dont actually know its scoring effects outside blinds, so maybe its not a solution

[humble girder]

in that round you earn, let's say you have burglar, $21 extra. mail-in rebate with 4 discards is effortlessly $10 per round played

[native zinc]

i've unironically forgotten about the discard and hand tags

[manic rune]

...eh, i will just add another description page for that one

[native zinc]

wtf does Balancing Act do to them

uh

[humble girder]

not much

[gray apex]

Fixed the code validating function for this joker

[humble girder]

skipping a blind is literally never a good play (except maybe a select few tags in ante 1)

you never need to worry about discard/hand tag balance

[manic rune]

i have the repeat loop to make sure that it will loop back to 2 if it overshoots

[normal crest]

the thing is, you can't really choose which one you get during a run

[manic rune]

but is that the best way to do that

im unfamiliar with math.(stuff)

[normal crest]

and you do have more hands than discards to start with without any other jokers

[manic rune]

so maybe theres something to optimize it?

[humble girder]

sure but it's not relevant, this is about whether it's even worth discussing the balance and we are talking about two jokers of equal rarity

[native zinc]

oh i was wondering why i didnt get any discards for my hand, i literally am out of juice and need to discard

impressive

[normal crest]

they're both heavily affected by rng so I think they're pretty similar

[manic rune]

i feel like how balanced a joker is should be based on whether if you find it in a shop, do you want to buy it or not

i personally usually buy to-do list when it appears for e-con, not sure about others' opinion on that though

[native zinc]

i would buy a lot more things over to do list

[humble girder]

mail-in rebate is arguably lighter affected by RNG because it naturally weighs towards giving more money (idol card selection logic)

[native zinc]

unironically i would buy golden over to do list

[humble girder]

^

same

[manic rune]

fair, its more consistent

[humble girder]

golden joker is far more reliable

[manic rune]

but UNSEEDED balatro runs dont give you the option to just freely choose what joker you will pick, i still think to-do list is a solid option for e-con

[humble girder]

to-do list risks being money negative

it may be the correct play to not even buy it

[native zinc]

to do list is awful for its cost imo

usually i try to get a lot of interest before even buying anything

[humble girder]

i'd buy golden joker before ante 3 but not to do list

[manic rune]

doubt it, dont you get to see the hand to-do list is choosing before buying it?

if the hand is what you are looking for, you can buy it, play that hand, and sell it, isnt that a profit in which case

[native zinc]

most of the time it really doesnt do that

and okay to do list is like 4 dollars

no shenanigans i have 4 hands 3 discards

[modern kindle]

Good schmorning chat

[native zinc]

to do list basically gives 3 dollars profit due to hands

[manic rune]

yeah but if it hits a good hand (high card, pairs)

in the next blind, you can get a considerable amount of money

[normal crest]

you've gotta sacrifice hands for a chance of hitting the card you want to then discard it, if you have your deck fixed then yeah, it's way better late game

[native zinc]

it's like 5 dollars profit

high card it would be 8

[hushed field]

i have to be missing something incredibly fucking obvious. This joker checks how many pairs you have in hand, then gives 50 chips for each. Except #_ranks is always empty.

[humble girder]

if you have 3 discards, you will statistically gain at least $5 per round with $0 invested, even a "whiff" is not as brutal as to do list hitting straight flush

[brazen tusk]

for those who wonder if stickers can go on other cards, yes

[humble girder]

i'm sorry, you can't close the gap with whatever RNG arguments you have

[hushed field]

(I know that there's a neater way to write the check if the item exists, but I thought I'd gotten the syntax wrong, so resorted to this, to find it that wasn't the issue)

[humble girder]

to do list on average does nothing for several rounds while mail in rebate generates money for investing resources that otherwise don't generate money

[normal crest]

there's a vanilla function for checking what hands are in a certain list of cards

evaluate_poker_hand i believe

or smt like that

[manic rune]

nop

-3 = -$3 at payout
3 high cards/pairs = $12, if you havent reached the max limit of uhhhhh forgot the term ($5 = +1$), its $14
=> $10

and nothing's preventing u from just not buying it when it hits a bad hand anyways, so u can just ignore it when it hits a bad hand in shop, and buy it when it hits a good one

[hushed field]

That wouldn't return a potential 3 number of pairs, right? As this checks for cards held in hand. Or does it return information for every potential pair in a table?

[native zinc]

you lose all 4 hands from playing the three high cards

[manic rune]

right, so its $10

[native zinc]

so it's 11 - 4 = 7 dollars

.

[normal crest]

that functions counts only unique pairs

so if you have 4 2s it'd only be one pair

[humble girder]

you get an extra $13 is the one round highroll you might get on an average 4 hands deck. this is the only case where it has an immediate positive RoI (it appears in the shop with high card). it's so bad.

[normal crest]

and it definitely works with cards held in hand

[hushed field]

my code, I think, should to. But if you have a 2,2,3,3,5,5,K you'd be holding in hand, would it return the fact that there are 3 separate pairs in hand present?

[manic rune]

u didnt account for interest

[normal crest]

Yeah it does

[hushed field]

ah, great

I'll use that than

[normal crest]

You can look at pocket pair in paperback as a reference

[native zinc]

aint it 1 dollars interest

[manic rune]

2

[hushed field]

still, baffled by why that array doesn't store anything. I feel like I was going crazy, checking that. I must be missing some super simple lua syntax, somewhere

[native zinc]

you lose the $4 by buying it

[hushed field]

Thanks, srockw! I'll solve it that way

[native zinc]

so that's $8

which is 1 dollar interest

[manic rune]

you also gain $2 from selling it though 🤔

[native zinc]

ah pain

you lose $4 from buying it, you lose $4 from hand money, you gain $12 if its highcard, gain $1 interest, gain $2 sell

[normal crest]

the problem was you were using ipairs to loop thru it

you should've used pairs

[zealous glen]

Good morning schdilly

[native zinc]

that's $7 profit

[manic rune]

again - its $2 interest

[native zinc]

so you sell it during the blind

[manic rune]

you are gaining $12 from doing the high card

that is already after losing money from buying

[zealous glen]

You can just reuse the function that computes Poker hands

[native zinc]

is that assuming that my winning hand is also high card

wh

[manic rune]

oh, true

[native zinc]

it's $12 not $16

[manic rune]

its still hitting the $2 interest mark if you are selling it after using the 3 hands though

[humble girder]

can we please say out loud that to-do list is a terrible joker that has one super meh highroll which is so bad you'd still be better off economically finding a hermit and it's literally not worth discussing it from a balance perspective

[manic rune]

.......................

[native zinc]

yeah that's a lot of work

oh hey nice

[manic rune]

i

[normal crest]

I'd say to-do list is not as bad as you make it sound

[manic rune]

was testing a blind

[native zinc]

it's always the mod testing runs

[manic rune]

💔

THIS IS THE SECOND ONE I GOT TODAY

AT ANTE 1

💔

[normal crest]

Sure there are better options, but that doesn't mean it's worthless

[zealous glen]

Me testing a Blind and drawing 4OAK

[manic rune]

of course its him

what the fuck

[hushed field]

ah yeah ofc. I got distracted by #_ranks always printing 0, haha

[native zinc]

also to do list sucks for the nontrivial reason that if you play a secret hand it gets added to the pool iirc

which does lower the chances if you have those kinds of builds

yeah okay it does do that

why .

[zealous glen]

what do you mean

[manic rune]

why would you use to-do list when you reached a point when you unlocked a secret hand though, thats the question

[native zinc]

true

[turbid maple]

I don't like to-do list that much but I think it's acceptable

[manic rune]

im so frustrated over this

💔

[native zinc]

i think the worst econ joker is

matador

[humble girder]

but think about the HIGHROLLS

with the MATADOR

when you land it right before a suit debuffing blind omg

[tawny narwhal]

To all of you who helped me. Thank you. I can sleep now that this silly mod is done.

[native zinc]

sobbing

i should nerf this at some point in hindsight

[manic rune]

ehhhhhh

not worth nerfing

[native zinc]

lets go gambling with the J 10 9 8 7

[manic rune]

its already as inconsistent as it is, 1 in 10 for just $10 💔

you could argue that oops all 6s increases the chances of which, but lucky cards exist

[native zinc]

think. of the oops potentia

[tawny narwhal]

1 in 2*X mayhaps?

[native zinc]

aww youve already thought of the oops potential

[humble girder]

should you?

[native zinc]

idk i think i've done decentish with balancing

[humble girder]

it's basically business card

it's $1 per card played for 4 not that good ranks

vs business card being $1 per card played for 3 good ranks

[native zinc]

just that i end up picking this and get like 15 dollars in one hand in some round and go "waoh..."

it is much better on abandoned

[humble girder]

yeah but you expect larger dry spells than with business card so shrug

[manic rune]

do we like the idea of unique small/big blinds chat

[humble girder]

not below gold stake lol

[native zinc]

dang most of these jokers are really less/more consistent X

[manic rune]

honestly

thats fine

[native zinc]

thanks ben for obelisk 2

[humble girder]

obelisk is a very good joker though

[manic rune]

mostly asking because i need to find a place to add those birbs in :3

its a very fragile enemy in hsr, but i think it would be fun to encounter fodder enemies every once in a while for small blinds

[hushed field]

bepis, develop my biome system for me so that you can have persistent effects in the blind that work as the fodder enemies

[manic rune]

biome what

[hushed field]

honestly, i feel like most obvious design gaps are filled by the vanilla jokers, so if you try to not go too out there with your designs, you'll definitely run into that quite often

[native zinc]

i have yet to use this guy in any meaningful capacity

the deal of all time

[humble girder]

dude

[normal crest]

idk if it's the quality of your images but the small text feels too small

[hushed field]

I wanna set up a biome system that adds modifiers to antes, as a separate mod from kino, though

[humble girder]

implement them as out of pool blinds

and steal my pact code

[normal crest]

might be the CRT effect

[native zinc]

yeah its way too small

its bc im not on fullscreen

[manic rune]

you can just make flavor text inactive so that it wont look off even when its big

[hushed field]

once I actually start on that mod I'll definitely check your pact code, baliame, haha

[manic rune]

...oh

[native zinc]

they're more readable in full

[manic rune]

im kinda

[next timber]

if you pull this off i will add compatibility with the Scoundrel mod i plan on making that will. replace every single system the game has

[manic rune]

planning on doing smt similiar to that

but i havent thought about modifiers to antes themselves though

[humble girder]

it's literally just a complete hooking of all vanilla blind stuff, i should package it as a library mod or something

[manic rune]

so maybe our ideas are not the same :3

[next timber]

theres no way 1x game speed is actually this slow wtf

[manic rune]

what function does it run when a new run is started

[hushed field]

haha, damn, did nothing break with the latest smods version??

[manic rune]

definitely not :start_run(), since that runs when you re-enter an already existing run too

[humble girder]

i'm hooking, not patching

it's extra stuff added at the end of normal blind stuff

[normal crest]

definitely start_run

just add a check for not saveTable if you're patching

[humble girder]

start_run, not saveTable, yeah

[manic rune]

-# oh

:3 im dumb, thanks

[next timber]

ok so it seems that when using G.GAME.dollars in calculate, it uses whatever value the money was at when scoring began. Is there any way to pull the current value of G.GAME.dollars?

[normal crest]

using an event

[next timber]

no other way?

[native zinc]

nada

[humble girder]

there's a dollar buffer somewhere

don't remember where

that ease_dollars writes

i think

[next timber]

ideally i need this calculate to return a mult thats calculated using the current dollars value

[zealous glen]

Wrong

[normal crest]

hmm

[native zinc]

dan g...

[zealous glen]

Use the buffer

[normal crest]

if you can't make it work with the dollar buffer baliame mentioned you might have to SMODS.calculate_effect

[next timber]

ok now time to find the buffer ig

[normal crest]

common_events.lua probably

[zealous glen]

Also the buffer doesn’t get updated automatically

[normal crest]

ease_dollars sounds like a common event to me

[zealous glen]

So if a mod adds effects that change the amount of money during scoring

It doesn’t necessarily update the buffer

[manic rune]

this should work then, right?

[zealous glen]

The modder needs to buffer it

[manic rune]

it should run only once when a new run is started

[normal crest]

saveTable is not defined there

[manic rune]

crap, what am i supposed to check

[normal crest]

this what game does

[manic rune]

hmmm

so args.savetext, right?

[zealous glen]

SMODS provides an utility to set variables at the start of a run

Also each Ante

[hushed field]

I'd personally set it up not as blind hooks, but as new objects that probably use similar logic, but I reckon that'd be very similar in use.

[manic rune]

oh

i gotta check the utility page then

[zealous glen]

Check out the Castle example

In example mods

[normal crest]

that's called kinda in the middle of the start_run function tho

if you want smt to happen after everything you'll still want to hook

[zealous glen]

Oh if you want to change the background color

[quartz ravine]

Hi dudes, I cannot figure out this context window

If played hand is Flush, give +3 mult for each card

[zealous glen]

Check out how Bunco or my mod do it

[manic rune]

not the background color, just uhh

something i want to set to G.GAME when a new run starts

[zealous glen]

Whatever Hiker does

[humble girder]

counterpoint: writing them as out of pool blinds gives you easy access to both acting on game events and letting other things act on biome events without significant effort

[next timber]

ok no ease_dollars just does G.GAME.dollars = G.GAME.dollars + mod so idk

[normal crest]

then yeah definitely use the utility function for mods

[next timber]

waut nvm

[zealous glen]

As I said

It doesn’t automatically update the buffer

[next timber]

it adds that to the event queue

[zealous glen]

The buffer needs to be updated manually

[next timber]

shiiiiiit

[normal crest]

basically this

[hushed field]

hmm, that's a good point. I'm taking this down in the brainstorm doc for it, and give it some actual thought once that mod seems like something I'll start working on

[normal crest]

you'd just check if run_start then

[hushed field]

there's Kino and Jokersets still in my event queue first, haha

[manic rune]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[zealous glen]

Then check the Castle example

[next timber]

it doesnt look like there is a buffer for money it just adds the change to the event queue. thats. funn

[manic rune]

ahhh icic, gotcha

[zealous glen]

There is a buffer

[manic rune]

:3 in my defense, i completely forgot castle used smt like that

[zealous glen]

Check out cards that add money during scoring or that use the value of money during scoring

[zealous glen]

I meant the SMODS Castle example

[manic rune]

yeah thats what i meant

[humble girder]

i mean okay technically you can implement it as cards instead, it all depends on the types of effects you want to do, not that easy to get a card to debuff a hand (Not allowed!)

[minor furnace]

anybody know what cardarea the collection pages use?

[zealous glen]

They use collection cardareas

[minor furnace]

that would make sense

[zealous glen]

Invisible Joker in the sky that calculates all the rules

[manic rune]

is itttt this or SMODS.current_mod.reset_game_globals = function()..?

or are they the same

:3

[next timber]

it looks like vagabond just checks G.GAME.dollars

[manic rune]

i think thats just a lack of lua knowledge on my side, honestly

[normal crest]

i mean that's the same thing I sent

[humble girder]

good ol control cubes

[normal crest]

just it has castle logic inside

[hushed field]

I think blinds can do whatever jokers can, but not the other way around, currently, so blinds would definitely be the way to go. My current idea, which I haven't thought through much, was to set it up as a new object type that is channeled by the blind objects, similar to the set up I'm using for Spellcasting in Kino. Probably wouldn't be that simple to convert that, though, as these effects would be passive, and spellcasting is active

[humble girder]

i don't think blinds get contexts, or is that what aure did in blind calcs?

[zealous glen]

what can't Jokers do

[hushed field]

yup

[zealous glen]

They do

[hushed field]

debuff a hand

[hushed field]

they can do it, I assume, but not as easily

[humble girder]

by default jokers don't act on debuff_hand and recalc_debuff

they could but both require patching

[next timber]

thx

[hushed field]

I might start to mess around with it sooner rather than later, just because I'm considering making the showdown blinds for Kino ones that also do things during the small and big blind

[normal crest]

I think now you can just hook into Card.can_calculate

[zealous glen]

Notably it's not the only buffer in the game

[humble girder]

that doesn't do what i'm saying though

that figures out if a card should be considered debuffed, but that's a bad pattern here

since the game during recalc_debuff asks the blind if it thinks a card should be debuffed, so the pattern would be to also ask the jokers

not have the card report it's debuffed based on what jokers you have

or i guess can_calculate() could call back to jokers which would be incredibly expensive since you're trading an O(1) cache (card.debuff) for an O(n) live check

[manic rune]

https://streamable.com/j3u8us

[zealous glen]

I considered passing the context to can_calculate

[manic rune]

it works :3

[zealous glen]

So that it itself could calculate on the card

[normal crest]

oh, the way I made a joker debuff cards is to hook into the blind function you mentioned

[minor furnace]

how would I check if the collection is currently open?

[manic rune]

is it possible to add a button to this area

[normal crest]

maybe check if G.your_collection exists

but that might only be the case if there are cards visible

i'm not entirely sure

[manic rune]

actually, i think i figured how to

the question here is: where's the ui of boss blind?

i can probably attach a button to that

[normal crest]

maybe create_UIBox_blind_choice in ui_definitions.lua

[manic rune]

gotcha, i will check that :3

thanks

[quartz ravine]

Attempt to use a nil value at self.extra.odds

I will never remember that this is nil in calc for smods. I should just remap self = card

[hushed field]

Every time I think I'm ready to push the new updates, I discover something I still need to do

[minor furnace]

as far as I can tell this always exists

[normal crest]

oop

maybe check the length of it?

[minor furnace]

different approach, is there a way to tell what cardarea a card is currently in?

from the card itself

[normal crest]

card.area

[minor furnace]

that will probably work

[quartz ravine]

hi guys, I feel like this is just too weak or slow. How would you improve this card?

I think if Trousers gains +2 mult per pair, then this should gain +5 mult

[brazen tusk]

i agree

really cute art btw

i love chocobos

[tall wharf]

also it should be red and +2 mult

i think

[quartz ravine]

TY, my wife went crazy making tons of cards, now I am trying to think of how to use them

here is like half of the jokers, just to share

[brazen tusk]

heres the description following Spare Trousers as an example if you want

"This Joker gains {C:mult}+#1#{} Mult",
 "if played hand contains",
"a {C:attention}Straight{}",
"{C:inactive}(Currently{} {C:mult}+#2#{} {C:inactive}Mult){}"

those all look great!

[digital niche]

im so slow i just realized that "atlas" isnt a madeup word for codding used in balatro its an actual word

its just a resolution variable basically

[lyric blade]

So guys, I have a little problem. It's not really important, it does what I want, but not the way I want it.
This piece of code for a joker retriggers a lucky card until it gets lucky (Gives either the mult or the money). And, it works! But the strange thing is:

• It first does the card eval status text as many times as it will retrigger BEFORE the card gets even scored
• The retriggers are ... inverted? The first score of the card is lucky, while all the following scores are not

This makes it all look very very strange, so... does somebody have an idea of what I am doing wrong? Or how to optimize it? Like it's ok, but just very strange. Especially the first problem is pretty uncomfortable. Maybe I should put the card_eval_status_text somewhere else?

[hushed field]

the card eval message should be in an event, in this case!

[lyric blade]

Ooooooh makes sense, thanks! Do I have to put SMODS.score_card in the Event as well to have the scoring not inverted?

[brazen tusk]

what we think of this effect? disintegration would be a status or something that destroys the card in the alotted time, 3 hands might be too quick but idk
-# (also art is WIP)

[runic pecan]

How do I call the "Foo" pool table if I hypothetically followed this part of smods wiki?
My guess is G.P_CENTER_POOLS.Foo but I want to make sure before proceed.

[digital niche]

where in the balatro archives are the tarot cards?

[hushed field]

My suspicion is that putting the score card in there will create some major issues

[lyric blade]

I'll try, let's see XD

[brazen tusk]

i love jerma

[lyric blade]

I love it! But kind of weak for a rare joker I guess... maybe make it create 2 Spectral cards or lower the rarity to uncommon or increase disintegration to 5 hands?

[minor furnace]

what if instead of figuring out why the sprite is wrong before the card has been discovered, I just make it discovered by default to bypass the issue

[brazen tusk]

havent touched the rarity yet but ill keep that in mind when deciding, ty

[lyric blade]

Also does the disintegration have an effect on eternal Jokers? :D

[brazen tusk]

depends how i end up getting it to function but im thinking of just applying a perishable sticker instead

[lyric blade]

I see

[brazen tusk]

which would work on eternal jokers

[digital niche]

when making an edition, where do i say what it does?

[lyric blade]

Check SMODS.Edition in the wiki

[digital niche]

tyty

editions is either the joker ones or the card enhancements or is there a different thing for enhancements that im not seeing?

[brazen tusk]

editions

enhancements

[digital niche]

no yeah ik, just wondering if in the code there is a difference because i didnt find a "SMODS.enhancement" part in the example part

[brazen tusk]

ohh mb

[digital niche]

np ^^

[lyric blade]

There exists a SMODS.Enhancement