💻・modding-dev

[earnest creek]

ty

[hardy viper]

probably search "function juice_up"

[tepid crow]

you could enable regex and search for function .*?:juice_up

[stiff locust]

i'm so fuckin stupid how did i not think of this

[hardy viper]

isn't juice_up a global

[stiff locust]

okay i'm still not sure how exactly the values work but juice up shakes the joker

[hardy viper]

oh is that all you needed to know

[tepid crow]

Class method 🙃

[hardy viper]

yeah juice up shakes the joker

[stiff locust]

but what do the values do

it has two arguments

[hardy viper]

x and y intensity probably?

[stiff locust]

ahhh

makes sense

[hardy viper]

nope im wrong

intensity and duration is more likely

[tepid crow]

it's amount and rot_amount, whatever that means 🤷

[hardy viper]

oh that makes sense

[tepid crow]

it does?

[hardy viper]

god id be so much more helpful if I wasn't sitting on a bus right now

[stiff locust]

what's <eof> again?

[hardy viper]

rot stands for rotate

[tepid crow]

well yeah but doesn't tell me anything yet 🤣

[hardy viper]

end of field I think? regardless it means missing an end

[tepid crow]

<end of file>

probably unexpected

aka you didn't close a bracket

[stiff locust]

but when i add an end it says unexpected end

[stiff locust]

i closed all the brackets

[drowsy tulip]

nope

what should i put in the colors

[stiff locust]

i hate when this happens cause it means I did something stupid and I can't see what it is cause the thing doesn't tell me

it means an end or a bracket close is in the wrong place but idk which one or where it should be

[tepid crow]

one of G.C.[color-name] is probably easiest

[hardy viper]

if your IDE is competent you should have lines above your ends; check which end doesn't have a line above it and delete it

the lines go up to whichever thing it's "connected" to is the best way of explaining it

[drowsy tulip]

so like if i want to get the suit colors what should i put in

[stiff locust]

okay

[drowsy tulip]

G.C.spades, G.C.hearts, etc?

[stiff locust]

that didn't help

[hardy viper]

uhhh show screenshot?

[tepid crow]

you should probably go look at the definition of G.C, it's at globals.lua:333*

sorry

globals.lua

[stray orbit]

here are the suit colours in globals.lua

not sure what each one does

but for example if u want the bottom ones use G.C.SUITS.Hearts

[stiff locust]

these brackets (highlighted line) especially hate me even though they're all properly closed
the red after the end wants me to put a } down but when I put a } down it tells me to get rid of it

and the return also wants a } somewhere

[hardy viper]

func has no end

[stiff locust]

bruh

[tepid crow]

return a
return b

doesn't make any sense, that's why it's yelling at you

[hardy viper]

neither does add_event

oh wait your indentations are completely wrong nvm

[stiff locust]

okay

do i even need the return true

i mean it's in the baseball card code but it looks unnecessary

[tepid crow]

you need it in the event function

[hardy viper]

if you hover over all that code that's incorrectly indented and press tab once it'll fix itself btw
also if you right click and hit format document

[tepid crow]

an event function will keep running over and over until it returns true

very useful for some stuff

[stiff locust]

okay so I should remove the return true
and move it down to the return box where the other stuff gets returned

?

[tepid crow]

when does the second return happen?

in the event or outside it

[stiff locust]

currently
in the event

[tepid crow]

true

is that your intention?

[stiff locust]

my intention is that it checks if a joker is from my mod or if it's splash

and if so it makes that joker give 2x mult

[tepid crow]

so, should the second return be inside the event or outside it?

[stiff locust]

uhhhhhhhhhh

I think so

wait

no it shouldn't

should it?

[tepid crow]

idk, "I think so" isn't really an answer to "A or B?"

it should be outside

[stiff locust]

okay i moved it outside

[tepid crow]

can you show?

[tepid crow]

alright, seems better

[stiff locust]

okay

[tepid crow]

I have no idea what that comma is doing there or what happens when it stays there though

[stiff locust]

i removed it

[tepid crow]

oh I guess it's in the table so it probaby won't break anything

yeah seems good now, try running it

[stiff locust]

im also running another experiment rn

seeing if i can make a joker with multiple fusion recipes

[drowsy tulip]

fuck this bitchass game and its bitchass mods man i fucking hate balatro

[tepid crow]

^ me whenever I have to work with balatro UI

[stiff locust]

oops

i seem to have fucked up the local text

oh well

[earnest creek]

how can I yoink a singular texture from the vanilla spritesheet? trying to take a legendary joker bg specifically

[stiff locust]

yeah it uh

crashes if it checks a vanilla joker

cause the mod is nil

[tepid crow]

Just open the .exe, they're all in /resources/textures/[1x or 2x]/jokers.png I believe

(you can open it with 7zip or whatever)

[tepid crow]

so make sure .mod exists before you start indexing it

in lua, you can do that by e.g. if table.key and table.key.sub_key == "something" then ...

[stiff locust]

so i'd do if context.other_joker.config.center.mod and context.other_joker.config.center.mod.id == "Tsunami" then

am i getting this right

[tepid crow]

if mod is nil, that will already crash

[stiff locust]

oh

[tepid crow]

you're checking if id exists, not if mod exists

[stiff locust]

edited the message did i get it right

okay

thanks

[tepid crow]

gotchu

also some of the question you ask are really basic lua stuff

you should be able to google/stack overflow some of it

[stiff locust]

yeah i'm very new to this

[stiff locust]

it's difficult because i only know things by the names i put in the code and not by what they are
i wouldn't know what to look up to find out the answer to what i just asked

[tepid crow]

that's all part of learning

[stiff locust]

yeah i'm starting to get the hang of things

been asking less and less questions about what im doing the more jokers i make

i almost got one to work without any outside help

[regal wolf]

read the lua docs

they're really informative

I guess they could be a little overwhelming if you have no programming experience...? but nothing beats them.

[split jungle]

Is lua like C

Actually scratch that everthing is C

[tepid crow]

I'd say it's kinda python-like

Lua has some weird quirks though, mostly the "everything is a table" approach

[maiden phoenix]

You're a table

{Larswijn = "sleeves"}

[tepid crow]

Made a PR for it since I actually need it now >:) https://github.com/Steamopollys/Steamodded/pull/267

[tepid crow]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/e5c4a59a426c34c27fe72e5dcd232acd/a75857dadfbb34e2-6c/s540x810/75dd31618184b9aa249b2357da64e84836054cf2.gifv

[split jungle]

Doing SQL make me fear table

And java

And springbooy

Fuck

[frosty dock]

i forgor 💀

[edgy reef]

Huh, conveniently there’s a REMOVE THIS comment right next to it.

[tepid crow]

aint that convenient

[frosty dock]

that was never actually about that, it's about a testhelper unlock functionality that triggers when false and not _RELEASE_MODE aka never

[tepid crow]

Appreciate it! Also thanks for fixing the indentation a second time 😅

[frosty dock]

stupid merge conflict editor didn't even do it right, i don't think

[tepid crow]

🤔

[tepid crow]

Has this been completely replaced by DEPENDENCIES? I cannot find any references to LOADER_VERSION_ in steamodded's code.

nevermind, found the exact commit https://github.com/Steamopollys/Steamodded/commit/92c9636c69130a608fb72207c6fe7c345d6bc2d3 where it was removed

should probably still update the wiki 🙃

[split jungle]

Is this new

For what

[tepid crow]

LOADER_VERSION_? No, it's old and no longer used

[split jungle]

Ah

[tepid crow]

you can do the same thing using DEPENDENCIES now

[stiff locust]

i was really hoping i would be able to figure this one out on my own but i cant

trying to make a tarot card that creates splash
current issue being that the use button can never be pressed

[split jungle]

Keep beating the code

[stiff locust]

i feel like I did everything right

but I clearly did not

[wintry solar]

whats above this?

[split jungle]

What does create splash mean

[stiff locust]

splash the joker

[wintry solar]

almost the entirety of your definition is inside your loc_txt table

[stiff locust]

what

oh shit

is it

oh my god it is

lmao

okay hold on

[stiff locust]

yeeah that's all it needed

i knew i did smthn stupid

thanks

[split jungle]

You are one sytax away from amagedieon

[narrow pollen]

do you know what is absolutely pissing me off right now?

if you have a joker give both chips and mult during the joker_main phrase, it works mechanically

but it uses the multhit1 sound... and G.C.CHIPS for the background color.

[edgy cedar]

i can open baltro but there is no mod menu on it but every thing is conceited to the game and i don't know why it is not working any help?

[edgy cedar]

it's working

[orchid thunder]

How can some edit the code to add chips directly

I have an idea for a joker and I want to make sure it's possible

[brisk rose]

What do you mean by directly?

[orchid thunder]

It takes %5 of overscored chips and you start with it next blind

Like the total score

Or whatever it's called

[brisk rose]

Jokers change blind requirements pretty often

If that's what you mean

Idk how they do it though

[orchid thunder]

I don't want it to change the requirements

[brisk rose]

Lowering the requirement by that amount would so the same thing as adding it to the score

[orchid thunder]

I want it to directly save a value then have the next round start with that value instead of just 0

But then it's not so much carrying stuff

It's a bucket

[brisk rose]

It's probably possible but idk how you'd do it

[orchid thunder]

Idk what's the value that detects those

[elder vapor]

new to balatro mod dev, is there a way to make a deck only consisting of certain ranks? ex. deck of 3, 5, and 8s

[orchid thunder]

Just look at the code for the abandoned deck

[elder vapor]

i tried to find it in back.lua

but idk if its there

[orchid thunder]

Well I can't help much because I don't have the code on my phone

Wait I have an idea

[orchid thunder]

I canr find it but I know there is a deck with a deck of six's if you can find it you can look at that code

I think it was something kollection

[elder vapor]

hmm

do you know what mod?

[orchid thunder]

I thought it had kollection in it instead of collection

Idk tho I might be crazy

[split jungle]

Do anyone have details API of steamooded

I have no idea what initialization does or what we need example Png for

[brisk rose]

It's crimson's ultimate card kollection(

Also sometimes spelled with a c

[brisk rose]

.

[brisk rose]

(Its Id is 'cuck' lol)

[elder vapor]

which file is it in?

[brisk rose]

The release is probably your better bet

The repo is a bit of a grabbag rather than the mod itself

[elder vapor]

ah found it

doesn't appear to be any code 😭 unless i'm looking in the wrong place

[split jungle]

I feel it is a bit intentional

[brisk rose]

Looks like theres something called AllSixes ctrl+f for that

[elder vapor]

ah found it

again

[brisk rose]

Intemtional?

[orchid thunder]

Anyone know if this would work

[sly sluice]

hey yall, im trying to make a mod to expose certain pieces of the background.fs shader to the GUI so i can mess with it with original values

i want to see these seven values displayed on the GUI in realtime:

extern MY_HIGHP_OR_MEDIUMP number time;
extern MY_HIGHP_OR_MEDIUMP number spin_time;
extern MY_HIGHP_OR_MEDIUMP vec4 colour_1;
extern MY_HIGHP_OR_MEDIUMP vec4 colour_2;
extern MY_HIGHP_OR_MEDIUMP vec4 colour_3;
extern MY_HIGHP_OR_MEDIUMP number contrast;
extern MY_HIGHP_OR_MEDIUMP number spin_amount;

can anyone help?

[orchid thunder]

Can you explain any of those values to me

[sly sluice]

time is what LOVE uses to change the background over time, spin_time changes how fast it spins, the three colors change the color of the spiral in the background, contrast makes them more distinct, and spin amount is how many spins have happened onscreen

[orchid thunder]

Oh ok interesting

[edgy cedar]

were is talisman 2.00 beta? cryptid will not work without it

[brisk rose]

Cryptid usually comes with talisman, but if you're using a version straight from the repoI bet talismans own repo is at that version

[edgy cedar]

k thanks

[rugged loom]

(currently unfinished)
hi sooo uhhhh what color did hands use again? am i even doing this correctly i dunno how to do planet cards 💀

[drowsy tulip]

might be wrong but you need to put the atlas and name in quotes

also you can check localization>en-us.lua for the colors

[rugged loom]

ight

1s

[rugged loom]

might be onto something here

[frosty dock]

#8# and #50# should be #3# and #4#, these are variable indices

[rugged loom]

ight

fixed

[rugged loom]

is this good so far btw (pretend the #3# and #4# have been fixed btw)

[frosty dock]

so far it will crash

because it doesn't have a hand type associated with it

[rugged loom]

the hand type is supposed to be flush wheel

i'll try making it but dont expect much lel

[stiff locust]

was actually just about to ask about this

[stiff locust]

which of these refer to which variables

[regal wolf]

I recommend you read the Lua docs, it will help you massively :D

[rugged loom]

🤔

what lua docs

[regal wolf]

https://www.lua.org/manual/5.4/

Definitely read the first 3 chapters

[brisk rose]

quick question, what's the color for the ante counter?

[regal wolf]

All colours will be in self.C inside of globals.lua

[regal wolf]

What kind of colour is it, is it like whiteish?

[brisk rose]

I'm just trying to edit my trance theme. I need to know what it's called in the game

[stiff locust]

probably {C:attention}?

i can check

[regal wolf]

I doubt

That’s only used for descriptions iirc

[brisk rose]

Thunk seems to reuse colors in odd places to be fair

[regal wolf]

If you can send a pic of the colour I can guess

Just like a screenshot

[brisk rose]

I guess I'd just need to change my theme to default to do that

one sec

[regal wolf]

Wait dw

Are u talking about the orange?

https://assetsio.gnwcdn.com/balatro-ante-10.jpg?width=1200&height=1200&fit=bounds&quality=70&format=jpg&auto=webp

[brisk rose]

yes

which does look like it might just be attention

[regal wolf]

It would be ORANGE

G.C.ORANGE

[stiff locust]

angry orange because it's uppercase apparently

[regal wolf]

No it’s uppercase bc it’s a global

[brisk rose]

yeah I don't need to write it out myself anyway. The colors are already in the skeleton of the theme

just needed to know which one it was

[stiff locust]

okay

function()s hate me and i hate function()s what did I do wrong this time

[brisk rose]

It's not ORANGE

this is what ORANGE is in my theme

not the very dark blue the ante number is

[maiden phoenix]

I think you put the card.ability line inside your card_eval

[stiff locust]

card.ability line?

is that the config = one

that of which is not inside my card eval i dont think

i haven't tested anything yet but yeah something is currently wrong with this

oh right i need to change the name of splashflag so it doesn't collide with another joker

[maiden phoenix]

The one in your screenshot

[brisk rose]

It was "IMPORTANT"

(Which I think is the same as attention?)

[tepid sky]

Agreed, no orange, that aqua

[stiff locust]

ohhhhhhhh

now it says return is an undefined global

i do need to return something to end the event

but yeah moving the brackets solved the other thing

i moved the return outside the function and inside the event

so now it works

okay

testing time

balatro says unexpected symbol near this end

oh right the comma

didnt see it

anyway how do i refer to card.ability.xmult in description text

[brisk rose]

{X:mult,C:white}X#1#{} Mult

At least that's how 0.98 jokers did it. Presuming it hasn't changed

[stiff locust]

alright so it didn't inherit the value from throwback, that's fine, i'll just recalculate the value manually so it "inherits" the value regardless

[brisk rose]

I might have misunderstood the question

do you mean the current xmult, or just xmult in general?

[stiff locust]

no you understood the question

this joker has two values, one of which is already referred to

the extra value, 0.05, which scales by 0.05 if played hand contains at least 1 extra card
and its xmult value which starts as the value throwback should have and then gets added onto

[brisk rose]

ah okay I see

[stiff locust]

did not work

[maiden phoenix]

Its case-sensitive

[stiff locust]

oh

idk it's not working

anyway my joker

seems like it's doing something?
i can't tell if the ability is working as intended because i can't see the values

it did reach 2.35x mult which means it's definitely doing something different

[brisk rose]

here's the description for a 1.0 joker, seems to still be the same way to do it

[stiff locust]

i'll try #3# and #4# to see what they come out as

if i try every number, one of them will work

okay this is actually a really tedious and bad idea

yeah idk

i need one of them to refer to card.ability.extra and one of them to refer to card.ability.x_mult

they both come out as nil no matter what numbers i put

idk what i'm doing differently

[brisk rose]

wait, x_mult should be part of extra

[stiff locust]

oh

[stiff locust]

okay i'll switch things around

[brisk rose]

it's extra.x_mult

(You really should just be going in your mods folder and referencing other mods like I do)

[stiff locust]

i am

[brisk rose]

oh okay sorry

[stiff locust]

i will test again with these values properly written in

this didn't fix my issue, both values still show up as Xnil

[brisk rose]

can I see the code?

[stiff locust]

yeah hold on

[brisk rose]

every card.ability.x_mult needs to be card.ability.extra.x_mult

waiy

I mighta misreasd it

(and mistyped too :P)

lemme look again

[stiff locust]

yeah i missed two

i think i fixed it now

it is playing the chips sound when it gives xmult but uhh

i can fix that later

[brisk rose]

I think you have #1# and #2# swapped in the description

the index should be just the order you define them in extra

[stiff locust]

they still both appear as Xnil

swapping them doesnt seem like it will fix that

[brisk rose]

I think you have spaces where you shouldn't

wait nvm

[stiff locust]

is there a context i can use for "do this immediately after this joker is obtained"

[brisk rose]

I really don't see any differences (besides this being a 0.98 mod) that keep your values from displaying

but the other mods I was looking at were 1.0 and seem to do it the exact same way

[stiff locust]

yeah thats whats annoying me

it exclusively doesn't work for my joker

[wintry solar]

You need the loc_vars function

[stiff locust]

oh

[stiff locust]

it is angry at me

oh i didn't end it

ayy it worke

d

[stiff locust]

.

this is the last thing that i need and then the effect is functional

also why is this message making the chips sound when it gives xmult

how do i make it do the xmult sound

[frosty dock]

iirc it's Xmult_mod, not xmult

[stiff locust]

but the joker works

with xmult

it just makes the chip sound

will xmult_mod fix that

[crisp coral]

use add_to_deck(self, card, from_debuff)

add_to_deck = function(self, card, from_debuff)
    -- do stuff
end

[stiff locust]

it did, actually
neat

[stiff locust]

this did not work

[crisp coral]

it's outside

[stiff locust]

huh

[crisp coral]

and i think that one should be using set_ability instead (so it displays the value correctly when created but not picked up, e.g shop)

set_ability = function(self, card, initial, delay_sprites)
    card.ability.eternal = true
end

[stiff locust]

ah okay

anyway how is it outside

[crisp coral]

put that next to the calculate function

calculate = function(...)
end,
set_ability = function(self, card, initial, delay_sprites)
    -- do stuff
end

[stiff locust]

ohhh

okay i will try this

it won't actually appear in the shop because it's a fusion

unless you're using reverie or the cryptid equillibrium deck ig

this worked though

thank you

[crisp coral]

ah actually don't put it in add_to_deck because it will run every time the card gets undebuffed

[stiff locust]

yeah that'd be a bad thing

anyway

another fusion done

do you have a favourite vanilla joker myst

[crisp coral]

uhhhhhhhhhh

wait i need to check the list again LOL

ah wait. right.

riff-raff

[opal spade]

you can prevent it from running on undebuff by checking if the add to deck is run from debuff

[crisp coral]

that but too much of a hassle

just do set_ability

[opal spade]

true

[nocturne garnet]

EVIL!!

AND IT WORKS!!

[stiff locust]

god dammit

i already fused that with splash

can you pick again

[crisp coral]

sock and buskin

[crisp coral]

the swag

[nocturne garnet]

poor blueprint sprite

will forever be missed

[stiff locust]

how do i retrigger a card again

context.other.card.retrigger?

wait i got this

return repetitions = card.ability.extra

[opal spade]

context.repetition return {repetitions = <number>}

[opal spade]

context w/o plural

[opal spade]

it has to be a table

[stiff locust]

if this works this will be the fastest functional joker ive made

[tepid crow]

damn that's crazy, I love it

[stiff locust]

it didn't work

alright what did i get wrong this time

[crisp coral]

.

[stiff locust]

so

where would that go in my code

this doesn't make sense to me

it doesn't like it when i put it before the return

[crisp coral]

sec

if context.repetition and context.cardarea == G.play and context.other_card:is_face() then
  return {
    message = localize('k_again_ex'),
    repetitions = card.ability.extra.retriggers,
    card = card
  }
end

[stiff locust]

that looks like it would trigger the code only if a retrigger happened

am i just misunderstanding context.retrigger

[crisp coral]

context.repetition is what's handling card retriggers

[stiff locust]

okay

having issues with the second part of the effect

this should retrigger all extra scored cards

and also if it's a face card retrigger it an extra time

it doesn't currently do anything and i'm not sure why

[languid mirage]

alright, ship it

[stiff locust]

it is something to do with context.retrigger not working here

[brisk rose]

I'm guessing you saw it suggested in #1155557846805643434 too

wait nvm

you're the reason it was at the top

lol

[languid mirage]

[nocturne stratus]

Love it

[brisk rose]

I may be a bit [your username] sometimes

[stiff locust]

gaycoonie = context.other_card.name

[stiff locust]

anyway context.retrigger isn't working here

when i do if context.retrigger on this part of the effect it just doesn't pass

if i remove context.retrigger all the if statements and stuff work but it doesn't retrigger because there's no context.retrigger

[frosty dock]

nil

[hardy viper]

attempt to index nil value

[stiff locust]

fuck

i'll fix it later i have to fix my fusion first

but context retrigger hates me

please help

[nocturne garnet]

god this thing is long

[zealous glen]

Is that a shader?

[languid mirage]

ya

[zealous glen]

I wonder if it works with Aura

[stiff locust]

https://tenor.com/view/her-gif-26366183

[languid mirage]

I can already tell you it won't

[zealous glen]

Cringe

https://tenor.com/view/nichijou-break-dancing-gif-26300217

[languid mirage]

since I don't check for sprite changes, only for center key

[brisk rose]

I mean... it would be ideal if it used whatever sprite the joker in question actually uses in game

[loud citrus]

Gosh this game is difficult at times 💀

I tried making 8 ball a 3 in 8 thinking editing the first number was gonna be very easy, oh boy was I wrong, no matter what I do, if I return G.GAME(don't remember the value), I in k pairs, register the number in vers, it just refuses to be anything but 1.

I hate this game's code at times, there are many redundant things about it but the one time they could have added something to ensure it functions is the one time it isn't there.

[brisk rose]

I've definitely seen plenty of probabilities with a numerator that isn't 1

and not just when modified by dice or w/e

[loud citrus]

Is there an example of a mod that does?

[zealous glen]

You just need to multiply that number by 3

By default it’s 1

O!A6s doubles it

[brisk rose]

yeah you should be able to hard code the modification

[zealous glen]

It’s not hardcoded

[loud citrus]

Yeah that's what I was trying to do to avoid complications

[brisk rose]

Rose wants one that is

[zealous glen]

Hardcoding would be to avoid using G.GAME.probabilities.normal

You don’t need to avoid using it

Just multiply it by 3

[brisk rose]

I didn't mean make it fixed, though that's up to their use case

I just meant modify it themselves the same way oops does

[zealous glen]

No that’s not what I’m suggesting

You don’t need to modify it a priori like O!A6s

[brisk rose]

what are you suggesting? They just want the numerator to be 3

[zealous glen]

You can modify it a posteriori

[brisk rose]

by default

and then anything after would modify that

[loud citrus]

Okay I'll try that, at this point I just wanna see the number be anything but 1 lol

Also I've been trying to mess with G.GAME.probailites.normal but I could also be bad at math

[tepid crow]

are you sure your localization is correct?

[zealous glen]

You don’t want to change G.GAME.probabilities.normal

You just want to multiply that value by 3

[loud citrus]

Don't, oh

[brisk rose]

As I said plenty of jokers have non 1 numerators on probabilities that are then modified as normal by things like oops

[loud citrus]

That makes a lot more sense why nothing was happening

[brisk rose]

I wasn't suggesting a specific solution

[zealous glen]

For example, let X be the random variable used for determining if a random event happens, and let p be the constant modified by O!A6s

Then what you want to check is X < num*p/den to have a num in den chance of happening

[loud citrus]

Yeah, do you know what mods have them? I wanna peek at the code

[zealous glen]

Paperback

I’m pretty sure I told Lars how to do it lol

Nope different person

Just a blue profile picture too

[languid mirage]

I might add check for exact atlas and atlas pos at some point in the future, but for now it's fine as is. Aura is not even halfway through to a release version, I guess there's jimball in cryptid which is fairly popular, but yeah ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brisk rose]

and also some people just use texture packs

not me, but still

[zealous glen]

There are other Jokers that change sprites

Bunco has the tape

[languid mirage]

mayhaps

[zealous glen]

I think L Corp does too

[tepid crow]

eyo

what's this blue-ism

[zealous glen]

I recognize people by profile picture not by name

So it’s nameism

[tepid crow]

fair enough, I always get really confused when someone I know changes their profile pic

[brisk rose]

The day Denver changed his from vapereon will live in infamy

[zealous glen]

Who’s Denver

[languid mirage]

it already uses atlas & sprite pos of another card as of the moment it detected the joker being copied

it only wont update if you changed texture pack mid round, which would be weird

[brisk rose]

former vaperon profile pic

now purple thing from some pther media

[tepid crow]

how did you misspell the pokemon name twice in different ways

[brisk rose]

fuck

I thought I fixed it

but didn't check

vaporeon

isn't even hazrd to spell

[zealous glen]

Vaperon the Poison Eevolution

[brisk rose]

(my keyboard sucks)

[zealous glen]

Hazardous name based magic

[brisk rose]

It's also 8 am and I haven't slept

but to be fair I got up at 3pm

[tepid crow]

... I feel like you should fix that

[brisk rose]

I'm nocturnal like a real raccoon /srs

[zealous glen]

So you’re a fake raccoon?

[brisk rose]

I mean I'm not quite a therian, lol

but that's getting dangerously close to FurryDiscourse™️

[stiff locust]

day two

(still day one but cooler)
of trying to get context.retrigger to like me

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nocturne garnet]

im having so much trouble thinking of a showdown blind that revolves around modded and vanilla jokers

at first it was "Debuff modded jokers on even hands, debuff unmodded jokers on odd hands"

but thats just a more powerful Crimson Heart

[languid mirage]

it should work now in v.1.1

[rough furnace]

I mean you could just make it lesser like 1 in 2 chance to debuff modded jokers per hand

or even debuff a random modded joker each hand

[zealous glen]

Good

[mellow sable]

Convert all vanilla Jokers into random modded Jokers

[rough furnace]

that could be fun

[zealous glen]

I had a Boss Blind which was just Cerulean Bell

[nocturne garnet]

im not trying to be cryptid bad

[rough furnace]

maybe even as a temportary thing

[nocturne garnet]

i mean if you have a whole build of regular jokers

boom,

[zealous glen]

I did tweak it to not be Cerulean Bell, but I’d be fine if it was Cerulean Bell

[nocturne garnet]

you have 5 ouroboroses

[rough furnace]

btw math I was thinking what about a boss blind for crytpid that uses your glitched logic to half the values of all jokers

[tepid eagle]

if number of modded jokers and vanilla jokers are not equal, each hand scores 90% less?

[rough furnace]

tbh for any modded vs non modded joker blind, you should do a check to make sure theres enough modded jokers (or at least provide them with your mod)

[zealous glen]

Or don’t

Skill issued player

Should’ve skill diff’d and installed more modded Jokers

[rough furnace]

every modded joker is destoryed when blind selected

[nocturne garnet]

oh yeah tried that

[tepid eagle]

if you have only modded jokers or only vanilla jokers, all your personal information is shuffled and flipped

[nocturne garnet]

what if Regular Boss Blind on ante 7 that triggers a much more powerful Showdown Blind on ante 8

[rough furnace]

if you on;y have modded jokers crash the game. If you only have vanilla jokers lose

[tepid eagle]

if you only have vanilla jokers all mods are uninstalled permanently

[rough furnace]

if you only have vannilla jokers you die in real life

[nocturne garnet]

open up one of my videos for every modded joker you have, install a virus for every vanilla joker you have

[tepid eagle]

all jokers are debuffed until you install another mod

[rough furnace]

disable one joker for each mod you have installed

[zealous glen]

+2 Treants for each modded Joker, -2 Treants for each vanilla one

[rough furnace]

what if net negative treants?

[tepid eagle]

death

[zealous glen]

You’re in Treant debt and the Treant union takes you to court

[nocturne garnet]

wyd when this mf pull up

[rough furnace]

the joke moment

[nocturne garnet]

this blind has a 1x blind requirement 😈

[rough furnace]

whats you do if over

[nocturne garnet]

ante 8 will be a little worse

[tepid eagle]

don't score more than 0X required score

[brisk rose]

in this case just skip skip

also you definitely need to add a config to disable these blinds, lol

they seem unfair and unfun (to me, many people love that shit)

[brisk rose]

I'm presuming make the score 0

[tepid eagle]

computer explodes

[nocturne garnet]

nope

[brisk rose]

do you just lose?

lol

[tepid eagle]

i assume the storm probably comes

[nocturne garnet]

it does this

||i still dont know what it should do lmfao||

[tepid eagle]

all your jokers become splash

[stiff locust]

how would that be a boss blind

that'd be a good thing

[tepid eagle]

all your jokers becomes splash but you have to do badly

[stiff locust]

that's evil

[hardy viper]

splash becomes removed from the game

[stiff locust]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-super-saiyan-dbz-rage-angry-gif-5497679

[crisp coral]

x1000 blind size if holding splash

[rough furnace]

splash makes no cards be scored

[tepid eagle]

splash makes all jokers in the collection score as well

[earnest creek]

how do I put textures for jokers in correctly? I got the sprite already, just a bit very much confused on how they work

[earnest creek]

nvm got it working

lets go, just finished my first own joker :D

[mild night]

thinking of making an EID (External Item Descriptions) -esque mod for Balatro to explain jokers that have odd wording, odd effects, odd interactions, etc
any suggestions?

either with what it should visually look like, i.e should it be like when you hover over jokers like stickers and edition?, or just what information i should include about specific jokers

[stiff locust]

throwback applies retroactively

[mild night]

thats a pretty good suggestion actually, stating if something is retroactive or not

[stiff locust]

yes that is why i made the suggestion

anyway day 2 of uhhh

okay it's more like day 1.5

of trying to get context.repetition to like me

[mild night]

i think that might not be as necessary as i just thought

considering the wording is specifically 'this run'

in the case of throwback, steel, etc

[stiff locust]

your mod is literally for explaining joker wording

you might as well include it

[mild night]

the wording there is clear enough imo, it's not like obelisk where there's an effect that isnt stated; "resets after playing your most played"

[brisk rose]

that isn't stated?

[mild night]

nope

[stiff locust]

i really do need to get this working though i need a lua wizard to get me out of webbed hell
the second part of this code (after the first return) does not work whether i do or don't add context.retrigger into the individual if statements

if i do add context.retrigger the if statements don't go off and if i don't then it doesn't retrigger

i'm just now thinking of a solution but i have my doubts

that thing where you like

annotate your own code is really helpful

[brisk rose]

comments?

[mild night]

yeah i was gonna say

[stiff locust]

no like

saying what the code is doing out loud

it immediately makes me realise what's wrong with it

[brisk rose]

oh you mean logicking it out

[mild night]

flowchart moment

[stiff locust]

i think I solved the problem maybe

ill be really proud of myself if i have

IT WORKED

I FIXED IT

[jagged compass]

something rly wierdis going on with my game

i just installed mods, but every run is going the same, same skip tags, same delt hand, even across different decks.

i dont know how to fix it

i skipped the tutorial where jimbo tells you stuff. am i stuck in some sort of "tutorial hell"?

[stiff locust]

if jimbo is in the shop every time, yes

[jagged compass]

no no

[stiff locust]

if not

then that just means you have the same seed every time?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tepid crow]

did you win a run since?

[jagged compass]

i cant even pick the seed

[jagged compass]

i reset my files since installing mods. (integrity check)

[tepid crow]

steam's?

[jagged compass]

ive done basiclly nothing

[jagged compass]

yes

[tepid crow]

that does nothing for your savefile btw

stored in a different place

[jagged compass]

i mean, the install told me to do it, and i was having crashes so i meant to reinstall stuff anyway

[tepid crow]

yeah no it's fine that you did it - it just doesn't reset your savefile

[jagged compass]

anywho, what could be causing this? it's not even letting me start a new run properlly, it always takes me directlly to the repeated run

[tepid crow]

do you care about anything in your savefile?

[stiff locust]

reset your savefile and play out the tutorial

[jagged compass]

not just that but it always restarts the run

[jagged compass]

i just reset it

[stiff locust]

reset it how

[jagged compass]

deleting files and checkng integrity to recuperate them

[stiff locust]

that's not resetting the savefile

[tepid crow]

again, checking integrity doesn't do anything to your savefile

[jagged compass]

well it was meant for a diferent purpose. i was having a lot of crashes so i wnated to wipe the files clean

[stiff locust]

resetting the savefile is (turn off steam cloud sync) going to appdata/roaming/balatro/X number file

the 1 folder holds profile 1, and the 2 folder holds profile 2,, etc

[jagged compass]

yea yea i also did that as part of the crash fix process

[stiff locust]

delete that to clear your savefile

but steam cloud sync brings it back

[jagged compass]

i turned it off

[brisk rose]

if you're fine with all your stuff being done, all you have to do to get out of tutorial hell is play a few antes. idk how many but somone told me you didn't have to win a run

[tepid crow]

I do recall someone having a similar issue, but I think that was without any mods 🤔

[rough furnace]

I think you just need to go through all the tutorial dialog

[jagged compass]

welp i just deleted the numbered folder and am still stucj

[rough furnace]

its the settings file that keeps track of the tutorial

[jagged compass]

hmm what triggers are there? i think i already skipped 2

[tepid crow]

you need to delete settings.jkr

[rough furnace]

i don't remeber

[tepid crow]

there's like 10 lol

[jagged compass]

this is what i get for tryiing to get jimbo to shut up -_-

[rough furnace]

I was meaning to be able to enable/disbale the tutorial in DebugPlus but I forgor

[jagged compass]

well i havent installed that yet so it would have made no difference.

[rough furnace]

well I didn't make it yet

but if I did you could just disbale the tutorial

I can take a look and see if it's easy to disable

[jagged compass]

interesting. os during the tutorial the hand i received is indeed the same as the stuck seed

[tepid crow]

yeah just try playing it out

[rough furnace]

the tutroail has a forced seed

if you install the dev branch od DebugPlus you might be able to just run this in the console
eval G.SETTINGS.tutorial_complete = true G.SETTINGS.tutorial_progress = nil

yeah that works though you might need to go back to the title screen after hitting play

[jagged compass]

wait, what are the odds?

i just got a negative rly early

o k im unstuck

[rough furnace]

Doing a little testing

honestly not sure how to handle mods like betmmas

cause its multiple mods in a repo

but also the repo is technically a lovely mod

[edgy reef]

woa

What we cooking

[rough furnace]

thinking mod index/database thing

but honestly it's probably too difficult

due to everyone and their mothers deciding they want to layout their mod in different ways

[tepid crow]

lmfao

[edgy reef]

xdd

[tepid crow]

mod index? kinda like aura was working on?

[rough furnace]

yeah maybe

this could maybe be used in addition to that

rn this can clone repos and read the metadata

[edgy reef]

There is plan to switch to mod.json for mod metadata (at least according to recent SMODS commit) which would likely make this much easier.

[rough furnace]

what about repos with multiple mods?

tbh we should njust remove smods loading mods from sub dirs

would make my life easier

[tepid crow]

wouldn't that disrupt any user accidentally nesting their mods?

[rough furnace]

I mean half the mods already crahs when a user does that do to lovely patches not happening

[tepid crow]

at some point lovely was planning to load patches from sub directories too

not sure what happened to that

[edgy reef]

It hasn't been merged yet

[rough furnace]

I think someone made a PR to add a variable to allow it but idk if methrule even wants it and alos that won't help if a user accidentally puts it under 2 paths

[tepid crow]

2 paths? like double nested?

[rough furnace]

like someone cloning a mod to Mods/path/path instead of Mods/path

[tepid crow]

yeah double nested

I mean, seems a lot rarer to happen in the first place

[brisk rose]

really doesn't help that some people set up their repos that way

[tepid crow]

true

[brisk rose]

doesn't matter atm if they don't have lovely patches

[rough furnace]

yeah

though if we made those not load those mods would probably get changed right aay

[tepid crow]

eh

I feel like that's optimistic

lot of people just adding instructions to readmes and stuff in my experience

[brisk rose]

they'd just say to use the release or smth, and it'd be a headache for modpack makers

modpacks work a lot better when you can just include the repo as a submodule. At least if you don't wanna code an installer

[rough furnace]

actually @frosty dock how are you thinking the mod index should work with mods with multiple mods in it (like https://github.com/betmma/my_balatro_mods and https://github.com/WilsontheWolf/Balatro-Mods)?

betmma's is weird in particular

[frosty dock]

haven't thought super much about specifics, and i actually still need to get the automerge to work the way i want it to. interesting question though

same for jen's collection

[rough furnace]

also iirc jen's almanac doesn't even exist on git anymore

[brisk rose]

Luckily I don't use any cryptid stuff in my modpack, lol

[rough furnace]

also will it be able to yoink from releases?

can we just host a zip somewhere else and use that?

[brisk rose]

how will this mod index work?

[frosty dock]

it might not even use git directly or only have it as an option

[brisk rose]

wait that's what's being discussed

I'm a silly

[rough furnace]

love2d has methods to open zips

[frosty dock]

i don't mind having it allow specifying any download link

yoinking from releases, why not. pretty sure that requires git though

[brisk rose]

I'd certainly want my mods folder to have unzipped files so they could be modified if needed, but I get this would all be optional

[rough furnace]

you can use the release zip or just download the source at the tag of the release

like https://github.com/MathIsFun0/Cryptid/archive/refs/tags/v0.5.0.zip points to cryptid's release's source zip

[frosty dock]

yeah ik, but does that work for latest release?

[rough furnace]

uhh not sure

there is an api endpoint to get releases https://api.github.com/repos/MathIsFun0/Cryptid/releases

I could make a script that goes through and checks the latest releases and updates any mod links

run it on a cron job for the index

[frosty dock]

hm https://stackoverflow.com/questions/24987542/is-there-a-link-to-github-for-downloading-a-file-in-the-latest-release-of-a-repo/54836319#54836319

[brisk rose]

shame Windows is... Windows and y'all don't just have global access to bash (at least I think that's how linux works, I'd be technical for a windows user, not so much as the linux user I am)

(I do know bash isn't the only shell)

[rough furnace]

no you run the cron job on a server somewhere and then update the metadata on the webserver

side note cryptid's release zip won't work proper for the index cause it includes steamodded and talisman with it

[brisk rose]

I... still don't know why they do that

accessibility I guess, but it causes more problems than it solves imo

[rough furnace]

I mean it onl really caused one problem because of a lovely upgrade breaking the included smods

other than that I don't recall any issues with it

[brisk rose]

I mean like... it isn't even that good for accessibikity because people don't follow the directions

[rough furnace]

it seems decent

also most people just unzip into the mods folder which just works™️ with that zip

[brisk rose]

I guess windows is more consistent in whether it automatically creates a subfolder or not

[frosty dock]

so this exists but I'm not sure there's a way to have it point to source code?

[brisk rose]

I still see people with everything still in a nested Cryptid folder all the time

[rough furnace]

we can get the url from the api, so I wouldn't worry about it

[frosty dock]

fair enough

[rough furnace]

I'm willing to donate some compute to have something automatically updating url's

yeah I just did some testing and I should be abel to make a zip extracter for steamodded pretty easily

we can also inspect stuff about it before extraction it

so if we wanted to read the config for deps or wahtever

[tepid crow]

please don't try to automatically resolve dependencies lmao

[primal robin]

Why data in a map instead of just object?

[rough furnace]

habit

it's a bit safer for unsafe user data as they can't make prototype modifications, but in this case, it's not going to be an issue I think

[rough furnace]

why not?

if you try installing crytpid it should install talisman as well

and if it's the wrong steamodded version it should probably abort installing

[frosty dock]

still not entirely sure about this github-based system tbh

https://github.com/Aurelius7309/Steamodded.index

maybe something database-backed is just better

[rough furnace]

I think it would be nice for people adding stuff

we can run a script on it to generate some other files and whatveer we need

[frosty dock]

it surely would provide better potential for UX/frontend

(most things would be better than using pull requests)

[rough furnace]

I mean we can built a front end that uses the github for the backend

oh for editing

yeah probably

I think jsut getting something working might be smart

then we can adapt the backend

probably use github pages for a custom domain

then if we need to we just swap out where the domain points when changing

[tepid crow]

from the slight amount I've heard about resolving dependencies, it's hell to implement yourself lol

[rough furnace]

I mean steamodded already resolves dependancies for conflicts

so we can know if they aren't met

[frosty dock]

yeah i just wasn't able to get my hands on anything quickly to start working on some kind of backend and didn't just wanna use some tiny mongo cluster lying around

i saw oracle have some free stuff but they didn't accept my fake credit card and i don't have a real one (yet)

[rough furnace]

tbh I was thinking just making a dcript that goes through some stuff, makes some config and then makes a static path and either host that or push it to github pages or smth

all you really need is some index file which justh as a bit of info about every mod in the index and then the client can make more requests from there to find out about certain mods

or if we need to then we just make a simple backend

[frosty dock]

doesn't sound half bad tbh

[rough furnace]

and if you need to run code, I can run it

I have a machine running with a bunch of unused resources that are availbe

[frosty dock]

also after looking into the specifics more, I'm not so sure if that would have me protected from having to pay up if something overloads lmao

[frosty dock]

that's great

[rough furnace]

it's just sitting there idling

also actually this thing has a 500GB disk why is only 100GB availbe

[frosty dock]

hm

[mild night]

out here with a RAID 5 drive god damn

[rough furnace]

I mean it wouldn't be a very good raid as it only has one disk

[tepid crow]

redundancy is redundancy!

[rough furnace]

tbh idk what is setup on this thing

it seems like sda3 has all the disk space but isn't where root is mounted

[brisk rose]

it's not just a 100g partition on an otherwise empty drive?

[brisk rose]

oh it is

[tepid crow]

can someone remind me if there was a reason for not considering a modding manager like thunderstore?

[rough furnace]

is there 2 disks in this system?

[mild night]

real, thunderstore would be so much less hassle

and is quite easy to setup, especially as you can share modpacks by just importing/exporting a profile code

[brisk rose]

I mean... why would they have to be physically seperate disks?

to the OS it's all the same

[mild night]

also means you can push updates and then have people semi-automatically download them

instead of doing it manually

[rough furnace]

ok idk what's going on here

I guess this is what lets it limit each vm's disk size

[brisk rose]

oh lvm

yeah that's voodoo

(I say as a non programmer or system admin)

[mild night]

I really shouldve spoken out about using thunderstore a while ago, would've made things so much easier much earlier

[brisk rose]

people ask about it all the time

[frosty dock]

we're trying for a system that's fully integrated with the game here

[rough furnace]

does thunderstore have an api?

[frosty dock]

TS was an option but it was never properly picked up

[brisk rose]

I really don't want the mods tro migrate off of github

[mild night]

ts is a database and api

[brisk rose]

which thunderstore would probably lead to

[rough furnace]

I never used a mod manager because github is easier and there were no benifits for me

[frosty dock]

same

[mild night]

github isn't easier for entering the modding space though

[rough furnace]

I mean they could probably exist on both.

[tepid crow]

yeah I love the github system too, but I can see why it's a pain for users

[mild night]

^ that too

they're not mutually exclusive

[brisk rose]

they could yes

but have you met humans?

[rough furnace]

well unless you're already a programmer

[frosty dock]

the reason we don't use TS is because modders didn't bother

[mild night]

which most people playing the game arent

[brisk rose]

or a linux user

[rough furnace]

but a lot of the mod devs are

[mild night]

that doesn't mean we shouldn't improve ease of use and access?

[rough furnace]

esecpfially for something like balatro where we don't need to compile anything for mods

[frosty dock]

hence why we're trying to build a system that integrates directly with the game and doesn't need anything else

[mild night]

how many people struggle with just getting steam modded to work, let alone getting mods to work

[rough furnace]

tbh I care mroe about my ease of use than users

[brisk rose]

it's a teaching tool

now these folk know a lot more about their computers

lol

[mild night]

which nobody who downloads mods uses, it's only those making them

[rough furnace]

also thunderstore or whatever wouldn't make getting steamodded easier

[mild night]

You are very naive

[rough furnace]

just mods for steamodded

[mild night]

if you think people are actually learning from that rather than getting pushed away by the difficulty

[mild night]

yes it would

[frosty dock]

steamodded doesn't install any harder than literally anything else

[rough furnace]

how?

[mild night]

Thunderstore already has steam modded on it

[brisk rose]

no, I'm talking shit because like Wilson I care more about my convience than theirs

[mild night]

and it's a two click install

and it works perfectly

[rough furnace]

how?

[mild night]

you... download thunderstore, and go to balatro, then download steammodded, then click Modded

[rough furnace]

you still need to manually put it in the same spot and install lovely

[mild night]

no you do not

[rough furnace]

oh theres an app for it?

[mild night]

I have never done that

[mild night]

YES

[brisk rose]

also you can make a frontend while still keeping the backend and manual option available

[mild night]

good god

[brisk rose]

which is the whole point

[frosty dock]

from my perspective, it works perfectly by means of me having previously uploaded it to their app manually

[brisk rose]

making it easier for the average user while keeping it the same for modders and powerusers

[rough furnace]

how does the automatic thing work with lovely and antivirus?

[brisk rose]

that's the ideal imo

[mild night]

it just works, I've never had to make an exception or change my antivirus

[frosty dock]

it doesn't

[mild night]

.???

[frosty dock]

at least not for recent lovely

the most recent version of lovely on TS is still like 0.3.0 right?

[tepid crow]

Right. I just feel like you guys are talking about how to completely re-invent a mod manager? It just seems... overkill?

[brisk rose]

are you still on lovely 0.4 and smodded 0.98

[mild night]

exactly

[rough furnace]

I mean a mod manager is just a program that downloads and deletes files

[brisk rose]

plenty of games have their own mod managers

[mild night]

when there's a reason for it

there isn't one here

thunderstore works perfectly fine

the only disadvantage is that you have to actually... upload and maintain your mods on it

crazy concept

[brisk rose]

forcing thunderstore isn't gonna happen

lmao

[mild night]

forcing a new mod manager is just ridiculous lmao

[rough furnace]

seems like the thunderstore manager is windows only so thats not a great option

[brisk rose]

it wouldn't be forced

[frosty dock]

so all you're asking is for me to make my own workflow inconvenient for the sake of having an install process for end users that's maybe slightly easier?

[brisk rose]

the mod manager is optional

[rough furnace]

right but then its no different downlaoding mods from github or thunderstore manually

[frosty dock]

it would be forced upon mod devs

[mild night]

"slightly" you mean orders of magnitude easier?

[tepid crow]

see that's a great reason to not use thunderstore specifically

[brisk rose]

fair enough

which I guess I technically am

but still as long as it's all github based i'd be fine

[mild night]

yeah that's an actually valid point, but it doesn't change the fact that thunderstore is a perfectly viable option which is readily available for windows

[brisk rose]

man.. computers aren't that hard. I see frankly braindead teenagers come on here everyday and even start trying to make their own mods

[frosty dock]

the largest hurdle people face, it literally can't solve

that is antivirus issues with lovely

[mild night]

..?

how so

[frosty dock]

downloading a zip file and extracting it into a folder isn't hard

[mild night]

people struggle with it in chat on the daily what are you talking about

[frosty dock]

at least not orders of magnitude harder than pressing two buttons

if that's what this comes down to

[mild night]

you're really arguing that we shouldn't make it easier for people because it would be slightly harder for you

when the whole point should be ease of access?

[brisk rose]

the hardest part for people is literally reading and follow instructions, which is frankly a skill issue

[mild night]

which can be avoided by.... using a mod manager

[rough furnace]

except it can't

cause a mod manager can't configure your antivirus

[brisk rose]

if you're using lovely you're using a really old version

[frosty dock]

I'm not arguing against ease of access

I'm saying we can't make thunderstore a viable option, mod devs like myself won't bother because they care about their own workflow first

[tepid crow]

you're completely right about that lmao
but I think that making something easier to use is a plus regardless

[frosty dock]

I've helped through many installation processes, the key issue is antivirus most of the time

[rough furnace]

that or mods crashing which is often not something that would be able to automatically be fixed

[brisk rose]

same

just takes a bit of patience to help them troubleshoot

[frosty dock]

tbf i should slap the antivirus warning on the install page right in their face as step zero

[brisk rose]

good idea

[frosty dock]

it's too out of the way

[tepid crow]

in my experience it's actually people not reading the installation instructions well enough

[frosty dock]

it's not clear enough that they definitely need to do it and do it right away

[rough furnace]

Maybe we should link the Anti-virus section in bold under the lovely section

[brisk rose]

but yeah this is the main reason thunderstore is a non starter regardless

[tepid crow]

also I suggest removing the link to releases from that page - I don't know how people scroll past the giant deprecation warnings, but it happens with some regularity

[frosty dock]

fair, but beta releases aren't far

I just feel it should include some working version of the index, even if not fully featured

[tepid crow]

you can just add the link back when beta releases happen

[rough furnace]

Also it seems there are ads which I don't really like suggesting we use a program with a bunch of ads in it (idk how bad the ads are)

[brisk rose]

yeah it's all a bit corporate seeming

[rough furnace]

Maybe just a version that allows self updating, without support for other mods

[mild night]

there is a single ad front. it's one banner.

[brisk rose]

Lilo, I use Linux, and many of the users and devs also use linux or mac

something windows only is completely irrelevent to balatro modding

imo

[gaunt thistle]

I can't provide input on Thunderstore but there is value in having "real" package management

[mild night]

"many" speak relatively. proportionally a vast majority of users are going to be running windows

[tepid crow]

again a good point against thunderstore specifically, but I feel like I should clarify
my original question was why not use any existing modding manager? thunderstore is just one of the options

[rough furnace]

To be fair Linux support isn't too bad as baaltro doesn't really have official Linux support, but macos is probably important

[rough furnace]

What other options are there?

[brisk rose]

outliers matter, especially for stuff like this

[rough furnace]

The only mod managers I've ever used are custom Minecraft launchers

And Olympus which is not a generic one

[gaunt thistle]

r2modman does exist and last time I checked it runs on Linux and Mac, but I agree in that I've rarely felt the need to use a mm for Balatro

[mild night]

outliers do matter, but when you're talking about relative effects you should accurately depict how much of your userbase it affects

[gaunt thistle]

Being totally transparent: I work for Thunderstore

[brisk rose]

pretty sure some of the devs on major mods are mac or linux users

so it's not just about poprotionality

[gaunt thistle]

I feel like Balatro is perfect for an in-game mod store

[rough furnace]

Lovely is also handy as it doesn't get wiped by updates

[tepid crow]

Honestly? I have no idea

Just kinda feels like you guys are about to create something when there might already exist something for what we need

[brisk rose]

the number of users effected doesn't equal its effect on the scene

[gaunt thistle]

if you guys dont want to commit to anything you can go about it like neovim and have package management work entirely around repos

[tepid crow]

lmao

[mild night]

thunderstore won't wipe github out like it's the only source for mods. having most of the stuff on thunderstore or other modmanagers means you don't have to worry about the majority of the problems that come with a fresh modding scene

[rough furnace]

Most games I've used have thier own mod managers (often built into the mod loader) and also it's nice having full control on how something behaves and not forcing somethifb else to fit for our use-case

[mild night]

which is mainly getting people into it

[gaunt thistle]

I mean I'm not vouching for Thunderstore lol

I think that the way it's currently being done is good, y'all just need proper package dependencies n such

I'll reiterate that an in-game solution is totally possible

[mild night]

the best case solution is officially supported mods, but that isn't going to be available, if ever, for at least another 6 months

[frosty dock]

i won't even bring up overwolf because again r2mm exists

[brisk rose]

tbh I think having more of a web presense outside of discord would help more like that more than anything. It's why I think #1260833176935465063 needs a webpage to go with it

[frosty dock]

steam workshop notoriously has the same issue of making it hard for mod devs for the sake of oversimplifying user experience

[rough furnace]

I mean whatever we use for auto updating, it should have a front end

[mild night]

which thunderstore would allow. thunderstore has a full web interface

[tepid crow]

Honestly? I think every game having it's own mod manager is usually kinda dumb lol. As user, I wouldn't want to use 5 different managers for my 5 different games

[gaunt thistle]

I mean it's a fundamental limitation with how mod manager tools develop and the needs that they fulfill

[brisk rose]

well ideally it's more that the manager becomes part of the game