#⚙・modding-general
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what rarity should this be?
money
anyways how complex is it
im gonna assume this is rare level since it's pretty reliant
could be uncommon
every time a playing card or Joker creates money, Banker gains 0.05 xMult per dollar created. (ie. Gold Seal card gives Banker 0.15x per trigger, Golden Joker gives Banker 0.2x)
does it lose xmult if you lose money (wraith, the tooth)
potentially?
no it's like a "How complex does it feel to use? It's definitely uncommon or rare level" thing, not a "I wanna know what the already explained effect means"
this also ignores interest, selling cards and tarot/spectral cards
oh 
I think a problem some people have with balancing is that they don't take into account the complexity levels for the rarities
especially with the issue of just switching a joker's rarity if it's over or underpowered
thats why i'm asking
since commons are meant to be simple and rares are meant to be a bit more complicated, but people like to think of it as just "how much does it carry your run"
fair
well i think that because it benefits soley off of other jokers and deckfixing, maybe rare?
honestly I would say higher end uncommon, but at the same time a Banker that gains XMult for getting Money feels like a rare counterpart of Bull or Bootstraps
wouldnt the Bull/Bootstraps counterpart be "gain xyz xMult per $s amount"?
but yeah
I mean not exactly
yes
the fact that we had 28 commits in a day is a joke
but the actual content is serious
Maybe it’s noituus causing issues.
to be zeebee it would have to be like thousands of commits
wait not thousands if we're just adding another letter and counting up with that nvm
it would have to be 48 for zeebee tho
what is zeebee
yea you should probably not use noituus, overflow is just better
hi meta :3
Does Polterworx already work with Ruby’s forks
ruby is so cool
the latest smods release is numbered "1531zeebee" because it was the 28th significant change (new feature or bugfix) to smods on march 31st. a less april fools-y name would be "1531zb"
i hate making pull requests to mods !!!!! i always just remake them with my changes
hey Lily hi
I've been making a shit ton of balance changes to my mod and I realized I never gave your joker an actually effect
i dunno i don't play polterworx
but they're not forks, they're new mods made pretty much from the ground up
I should probably work on making the Galactics wackier
Not my name anymore but Sure
keep the joker the same though
i am Ophelia now and the character is still Lily
i prefer the distinction
ahhhhh, okay
i digress
Polterworx requires both incantation and Aurinko, which I believe are Engulf and Overflow in this context
but I feel like the galactics kinda just feel like if exotics were vanilla
Lily jonkler has no effect yet too
ok then tell pwx to stop requiring them, that's weird
Trying to think about things but I've had to throw around a lot of ideas for customization options
(thinking of redoing the name color thing, feels... strange)
of course i am not the best for throwing ideas around at people I don't really talk to daily and I'd rather bring it up with the person that knows the character the best
plus I've been a bit lazy lately partially due to the fact that I don't really wanna do art on this phone anymore
(bday coming up at the latter half of the month, asking for a drawing tablet)
i hope to make a good effect for the Lily joker if my brain works tommorrow
Did Brainstorm mod stop working? I'm unable to get negative blueprint anymore
slopatron 3000 the mod
woaw
genuinely one of the worst designed blinds btw just saying
but im too stubborn to actually get rid of it
how do you even win that
you dont
what mod is this so i nkow not to play it
that's cruel blinds
which is the best balatro content mod
i know
it's from Cruel Blinds
i wonder what the boss does
Muck
im trying to re-read my code generation algorithm after 1000+ user commits and ive realised i havent actually programmed in lua or seen lua in like 8 months
am i tripping or was calucate effect never a thing
as in what thing
for like just shit like adding chips
you just return it in calculate function
if context.joker_main then return { chips = 67 } end
so why is my generator spitting out this
calculate = function(self, card, context)
if context.cardarea == G.jokers and context.joker_main then
return SMODS.calculate_effect({
chips = 10,
colour = G.C.CHIPS
}, card)
end
end
I’m crine
unless someone changed my code gen
Dawg
this is what im saying
Don’t put return and SMODS.calculate_effect in the same thing
its 6am where i live i might not be in the right state of mind rn
calculate effect is used in case you wanna do a bunch of nesting or if you want things to be ordered differently
i swear this is possible without calculate effect
is calculate effect new as in the last half a year
what time last year
is it before i initially wrote jokerforge
or after
anyways
in this case, calculate effect is completely useless then
this is what im trying to understand
wtf
February
before that we used to use eval_this for some other custom effect
my base event queue
i may have messed some things up for back compat reasons
don't bother with alpha 1304a compat
you can do like
no i mean joker forge back compat
like with other effects
that may use calculate effect
return SMODS.merge_effects { { mult = 4 }, { mult = 4 } }
is this seen as better code
i am rewriting my joker forge algorithm from scratch in rust
and this time the code will be clean
triangle
aikoyori
do you remember eval_this
no i never used it
i will be back with more benign questions tomorrow as i begin to relearn how smods works
stay tuned
why my base event queue stay in 2000 when i do nothing?
idk what you're trying to do
anyway i will still shill my own mod until the end of time
the code is a mess
you are talking to the creator of joker forge about your lua code being a mess
it was from the days before i learned the proper ropes of smods
you gotta be a top 10 smods wizard now
yeah so top 10
i don't think I'm top 10 tho
the issue was i never really learned lua or smods, i just learned a new function at a time or stuff like that
and i have never made a balatro mod
so i retained basically no information
because i will learn how to do something once, just to implement it, then never use it again
honestly you should try building one
so you know what the deal is with some niche functions
my mod has a whole file dedicated to utils
I participated in hot potato
but I wasn't good enough to do some of the hard parts of the coding
it's like I have a super surface level of what everything does, use it once, then never again, so I never built those skills
but I will relearn for jokerforge 2
hm
more fluff
aikoyori
is water food
s shenanigans
no but a water joker is a food joker
is diet cola food joker
do you drink diet cola as food
It's a drink.
does anyone have a mod specifically turning the tarot card designs into JJBA designs? if so, can I get the name of it
Why is the text small
This one way better actually
It's still as small
You're small
Finally
?
-# Ice Cube
This is blatant copyright infringement on bundles of fun leek
wtf is a bundles of fun
my mod
morefluff 2....
where can i get the most recent release of lovely?
morefluff 2?
well this is a new one
Being small would let me to use hamster wheels and shit
fluffier than ever
what a handsome man
I wonder if he fishes
idk if this is illegal https://github.com/eliyoakum-sudo/balatro-mods/edit/main
that's a 404 because it's an edit link
but also holy shit, MoreSpeed?
doing it like this just seems like a pain to keep updated but meh
git submodules exist
it's not illegal, the licenses mods use allow for redistribution
it's also probably not helpful to anyone
in the long run this will end up being harmful to mod devs since people are way more likely to have outdated versions if they get it from here
this is also true
will you always update it? this is not foolproof
literally my point
Why don’t you just maintain a list of links to your favourite mods instead?
you can try but i can guarantee you will almost never have them all fully up to date
okay? you have your local mods folder for that
How does having a git repo full of outdated code solve that
then go to the mod repo?
submodules.......................
is this true?
i have removed myself
but the repo is still there ?
yah the repo still exists
i feel like having the note at the very bottom doesnt help at all
infinite jokers but no jokes
ima just add more mods i mean it wouldve been about 57 if there wasnt a 100 file upload limit
dont
why
the repo existing is the problem, if someone searches "balatro mods" and finds this and downloads outdated mods then it will be your fault
you can have it private if you just want it as a source code reference
i have no words for that
why do you want to be the 9minecraft of balatro
i mean theres also the fact that ive removed most of the mods with bugs ive found also i mean whats wrong with an outdated mod if t works?
it being outdated is the problem
but whats wrong with it being outdated if it works fine
the problem is us mod devs having to troubleshoot users on outdated versions because it often doesn't work fine
we cannot trust that this will always remain the case
all mods have bugs. always.
i test every mod i download also i said most
that's pretty much one of software testing principles
you cannot and can never get rid of bugs, they always exist in a program
...additional comparison - such is like using Windows 2000 and expecting Microsoft support-
i use windows 10
i say this with love ali you are definitely the only person who would make that reference
we cannot trust that your testing is fully adequate
it is a metaphor
as a mod dev, it's a pain having to keep troubleshooting all the bugs that you've long already replaced with other bugs
why do you want to bootleg freely available content
i havent changed it at all its just alot in 1
"bootleg" doesn't imply you changed it
yes 500 in 1 nes cartridge
Or those old CD/DVDs with multiple versions of Windows on them from back in the day.
this is like if you made your own version of steam that does everything the same but you never updated it ever and then got confused why Valve was annoyed
its like 4 AM rn and i havent slept in 26 hours
pineapple i am going to assume good faith and that you mean well but PLEASE take this down
Then commit sleep.
if my mod were on there i would absolutely tell you to take it down but thankfully i have the honor of being spared by your bad mod choice
not overall but MoreSpeed are we for real
Handy is right there
this isn't even functional as provided, there's no smods
needs lovely
github is not a place for your file storage it is a place for maintaining projects with version control
missing strontium
were asuming you alr have lovely and smods
missing dwmapi.dll
need dwmapi.dll
didn't you say this was your mods folder? 🤔
this needs dwmapi.dll
yah
tis
so you specifically excluded smods?
yes
fun
Missing .NET 9.0.
I recommend balamod
Missing LÖVE 11.5.0
i have like love 0.9
that's a good one
fr
okay well now your outdated mods arent guaranteed to work with current smods
so now there is actually an issue
download smods 0711
congrats you're two major updates behind
anyways you can add lovely to it if you want 🙏
lovely source
it's called "supply chain security"
ill just include those in my github and aslong as they dont update their smods everything will probly work
Updating to 1503 only once the next version releases
do you still not see how this is a terrible idea?
yes
I'd rather you not redistribute an old version of smods
-# for legal reasons i can't stop you
it lets you include other git repos
cool
crustmodules
methmodules
crustpeak
im moduling it
me when I auremodule all over the place and get banned from the Berlin public library
tiger2ing it
You have a version of Malverk that is outdated and has bugs that have already been fixed - my response to anyone reporting these will be to update the mod but if they’ve downloaded it from you they have no way of knowing that. This is a fundamental issue with what you are doing here and the only person responsible for issues people encounter is you, but the devs are the people who will get the flack for it.
Please either remove this repo from public view, or delete any of my mods from it.
idk which ones are yours
also you couldve just asked
This proves my point, you show no respect for individual devs by doing this
what do you think he did

I imagine most devs will hold exactly the same viewpoint as I do on this
tbh
ill just remove malverk if it bothers you so much also read the botom of the readme.md
that notice helps no one
this is a collection of balatro mods i put up to have an easier way for people to browse balatro mods without searching for hours
bmm, miraheze, and #1209506514763522108 exists 😭
still
please remove 0 error too
yah ik im kinda stupid
oh boy i can't wait to browse 20 fucking mods
this is stupid
how do you not realize this
you keep saying this but its not an excuse
the repo helps no one
as a contributor to Talisman and MoreSpeed, I'd like you to remove those too
never said it was
stupidity is not an excuse to do stupid things if people are telling you to not do it
what do you wish to gain from making this repo
i have also technically contributed to Talisman so i can add onto this but a little less
i did it before i was told
same tbh
you overestimate my contributions to talisman
i readded notations as a system (they were just sitting there but unimplemented)
what abt u
ima just private the repo
there, much better
thank you
good
I also did that
THANK YOU
guys im sorry for my stupid mistakes i will now go do something else for a while
go to sleep
nah
yeah
If you haven’t slept for 26 hours you should definitely do that
Look after your health
btw last thing before i go to bed would yall be fine if i just made a big list of links to balatro mod repos and put it as a readme.md?
you should do that :-)
pineappeak
yeah sure, that's much better :)
that is actually a good idea
i mean there are already balatro mod indexes so if i were you i would focus on mods that aren't on things like BMM
im back
anyone got any ideas for a unique way to have an edition that is tied to money
- make an edition 2. get some rope 3. tie it to money
hhmm
we had jame, now we have gam?
nice. btw I would recommend handy instead of more speed
Why talisman specifically
Isn’t Amulet better by a large margin?
that exists?
I don’t need to use to_big on my calcs anymore
yeah eclipse might use that lowk if numbers get big
hi
haikoyori
Hello i require idea for a personal mod im making
(No it wont ever be released)
Its for a joker called "Half life 3"
ive been thinking of reworking some things at the cusp of my ibispaint era ending
im stealing from all of you
What do you mean SMODS.mod_blind_size() is now a thing!?

Yeah I just saw it ... Is the one thing that made my Mod special just a normal thing now?
Damn 😔 ✊
I guess I'll check it out after the Mod-Jam lol
being supported by smods doesn't make it normal
it just makes it so you don't have to jump through hoops to do it
i also have that thing where it changes blind size when you change given card selection
to be fair i do want to implement more blind size mod jokers but at the same time i kinda like adding scoremod jokers instead
i honestly might convert my blind size mod jokers into scoremod jokers
-7% blind size per 7 scored into x1.07 score per or whatever
celesteing it
Wait... is it wrong of me to use this channel? Since i have a mod but i dont wanna release cuz its just for me
All i wanna do is to ask for ideas and help with crash stuff if need be
at least some of them, i need more variety in my effects
I tried messing with it last night and it’s admittedly a bit confusing. Ended up just using the calc return key associated with it lol
for assistance, #⚙・modding-support
No assistance for now just need some joker ideas but even then idk if this is the right channel
Hah, I guess I'll be having lots of feedback then - Especially after working with the concept for so long

i mean that's all it's made for. it's not intended for direct use outside of calculation effects
It was pretty clearly made to not be called on its own lol
i need to get a pro balancer on my team, my mod has "just-bump-it's-rarity-up"itis
(I wish it was but I digress)
you can always calculate_effect though so meh
do you guys like my score_mod
That might be a problem - No, that IS a problem out of my perspective 
seriously though it would be awesome if i could just get a couple people to run through and give their genuine opinion on all the jokers and content and mechanics i have planned, like not as a bit
because like. there is so much messy shit from the early days when i had no scope
i really dont want those stains to stay
yes aikoyori
My main gripe is that .set is a valid argument for the function but you just cannot use that since there’s only blind_size and xblind_size 😭
i love rushing releases
Also.. exuse me if im very new to modding i just started baby step with jokerforge
awaits to be laughed out of the room
Still i do wanna learn how to code...
Might I suggest #1486847115127947374 if you wanna learn code
guys is this good
nah you're in the right place :) feel free to ask about anything you stumble across in #💻・modding-dev (just preferably not about jokerforge, us mod devs don't know jack about it)
jokerforge is a bit janky last time i heard
i mean theres some learning tools i could point to
i also recommend astra's guide
using other mod's code as reference, i think theres a mod called VanillaRemade that is meant to help you to learn how to code
i dont recommend jokerforge since its not great for learning
it doesnt really show you upfront what the code does until you decompile it or whatever
iirc
wdym decompile
#1456643778336129127 is fantastic, #1349064230825103441 is a great collection of resources as well
I see, i see, thank you :>
i was hearing goodmorning talk and he said that a lot of people say that jokerforge is not a great learning tool
one of the things he said he was gonna remedy in jokerforge 2 was making the code show up right there when you put the blocks in
I seen modding starter pack and learned how some of it works just not implemented it yet
dont be afraid to ask for help, you can also use other mods as examples for wording, ideas, effects, art, etc
yeha but nothing decompiles anything. it just generates code from the blocks
After seeing some of the code it generates, I wouldn’t even recommend that. It’s nearly incoherant and disregards most good coding practices
Some of the lines don’t even do anything lol
-# entropy and aikoshen have been pretty decent examples for me
also tools like jokerforge are never good for learning actual coding
mhm, that too
due to how they work, they always generate code a certain way that doesn't always mirror what human-written code would look like
Btw i do wanna ask where is a good channel to ask for game ideas?
I dont wanna rip off #1155557846805643434 ideas there
The most recent example I can give of this is it stuffs consumable use code in a return 😭
wtf is happening astro
he keeps typing 67 on my account whenever he sits down at my desk
im actually gonna die i hate that meme so fuckin much
damn
like not as a stupid "ough you're getting executed haha !!!" i just hate it
My intrusive thoughts made me think... "i should make a 67 joker"
what happened to when 69 was the funny number
I shudder at the idea
make a joker that smokes weed
Oh right i still wonder what should i do with a joker i have called
"Half life 3"
i mean this one works
I don't want to feed you ideas correctly because I don't have "Ideas?" but I can tell you the process I have
Take the concept of the things you want to add as jokers, strip them down to fundamentals while keeping some specificities for the final effect
Do not translate it directly, try your best to Intuit an effect without attaching rarity to it
Get it's complexity level,
For example if it's simple, it's common
But if it's a bit more complex, it's rare
Do not just change the rarity to balance a joker, change the numbers in the joker
Do not be afraid to try again over and over
Hmmmmmm interesting :0
But also i do need to take into account this mod im making basically is a "yahimod" aka take a meme, game or anime reference and turn it into a joker
Just something that makes it fun for me
fair enough, but you've gotta put some love into it if you want it to be fun
yahimod, while cool, doesn't have great replay value
which is kinda the point, but if you want replay value you've gotta show the player you care
That's why when I put things into #1487506153309999244 I try to take into account how the player would FEEL using it
Past fun and into y'know
Not getting overwhelmed
Not getting boring after a while
you forgot about half life x
hlx
Tbh my original plan for "hl3" was "when a blind is selected, 1 in 9999 chance for a legendary joker to spawn, after 3 blinds, self destruct"
Issue is probably to hard to make lol
sounds pretty simple actually
something like
If context is selecting blind and probability is successful, spawn a rarity 4 joker
If context is winning blind, increase a local variable by 1
When the variable equals 3, self destruct
Very simple, but like if you want to balance stuff out why make a realistically useless Joker
realistically useless
soul is more common than that
I lnow it was dumb so i never made it lmao
is this like when someone says they listen to anything so you play noise for them
I'll recommend them your other mod next time
You should play Vanilla Remade
i'll check these out eventually
Oh, and #1340334060597285025 of course
I want to play Strawberry Remade
#1466489320108982399, and since Revo got you on Revo's Vault also get #1485950792384118814 for them to coexist
#📜・modding-rules rule 9?
I think a mention of a project involving AI probably falls under it, and just removing the part that explicitly mentions it from the message is kinda dumb

<@&1460584319486791871> hello lolhappy909
is this rule 8?
It isn't, but it's definitely rule 9
balatrospire6
if not rule 8, then probably rule 1
ts frying me
its not really a new port
just an ai copy
you can semantically argue if it's a port or not but i do think it goes against the spirit of that rule nonetheless
I OpenSpire on my Balatro till Claude rules 9
it's a "reimplementation" of the game's logic, I think that counts as port-esque
point is, it lets you play something very close to balatro in a pirated manner, much like a port to gba or whatever
wtf
honestly i dont even know how to type em dashes on discord
Yeah how did they type that long dash
Looks like an ai response
😹
Sorry — my apologies.
this guy also has an ai copy of slay the spire on his github
iPhones auto fill it iirc
it's a shame the em dash has become a symbol for LLMs
they aren't a native speaker
seems like fun!
—
Me neither
they probably use llm to translate
But who would type that in normal context
huh
I would simply say "Im sorry. I wasnt aware of the rule..."
its probably just translated
ethan you don't get to do it
surely ai cant run discord accounts
hmm?
you'd be surprised
This
yoh know what
you should be ashamed. we are not AI friendly in here. copying the game like this is no way to express your love for it, and I hope playstack DMCAs you
Looks like they translated it
I'm sure it's also translated
you shouldve posted this in april 1st
I think it's neat that they made something about a game that they love
they should also dmca the fake chinese balatro copies on google play
That's shit
What's going on in here
—–‐ oh that's neat
—
Probably the data they use to train on has — whenever they tend to explain something
I think that's the case
I highly recommend giving this a read, and I hope you can reconsider your use of AI
https://www.nea.org/professional-excellence/student-engagement/tools-tips/environmental-impact-ai
my school paid some ai service and used it to grade essays 🙏
being vegetarian makes a big difference too 👍
worst decision of all time
Reason we should all hate corpos
meat industry is an even larger emitter of methane and whatnot
fashion industry is also destroying environment
industry is destroying environment in general
You know what else creates a lot of pollution? Wars. Weak argument
i dont think we should have wars either gang
You know what else creates a lot of pollution? Humans. Weak argument
Wars are what come after
It is the aftermath of long term issues
your butt makes a lot of pollution
Like unemployment, poverty
i make 20 pollutions / s
no shit, but it's a lot easier for the average person to do something about AI's impact than a war's impact
"other thing is bad" doesn't mean the first thing is good. weak argument
Get help
Farting frequently is a symtom of some intestine disease
or of a hero this server needs
Hi Evgast 👀
hi lolhappy
sorry if i got heated in the fallout of that, bit of a kneejerk reaction
i use ai to help me code all the time
very great tool
hi goodmorning
I mean. Rule 9 does say "any other mention". Cough cogh
Yeah sad but true
companies pay for their developers to have ai subscriptions
We have to do more things in this era of ai boom
its just the new way software developers code now
i remember when chatgpt 3 came out
and i tried it
Without using AIs we fall short on performance
for some coding
😹
this software developer still writes code the old way
^
i like to think of ai in terms of, it will make you 10x more productive. if you are a good developer, it will make you output good code 10x faster. but if you are already a bad developer, you output slop 10x faster
i thought htat rule only applied to ai art
if so i will stop mentioning it lol
I fucking
That's not my name
i still code manually cuz i do perf-critical mods :>
mine are performance critical but because i try to make it perform as bad as possible
i still code manually because i believe software development is a creative endeavor as well as a technical one, and i don't want no robot doing that work for me
using ai to code ends up quickly ruining your skills to write code yourself
sealab joker jame is going quite well and i'm excited to see what everyone creates 
uhm
about that
jtem
uhhh
ktem when
i think ai is less valuable when it comes to stuff like making balatro mods. because there is less widely available docs for SMODS, and also you are making balatro mods for fun so theres more incentive to not use any ai at all
music time lets go
Ohhh haha
is this why your name is sloppenheimer
get this man a true
if you ever make something more than balatro mods you will see what i mean tho lol
i was forced against my will to vibecode an app at some random programme
hi
as someone who codes outside of mods
I hate AI
yeah i was going to college for software development but ended up noping out
seeing the state of industry standard nowadays i ultimately made the right call
it absolutely will KILL all of my passion and enjoyment of coding
okay back to music bye chat
and i dont want to lose that
as someone going into the software development field and having coded outside of modding already, I will go down kicking and screaming before I touch an AI
7/4 is gonna be weird to make music in
ai coding is just adding a middleman for looking up stackoverflow code
like yeah it will do it for you faster
like I said before, there's a creativity aspect to software development that I refuse to have taken away from me
also the environmental angle, not to mention the economical angle
but also you will eventually look up stackoverflwo code yourself to fix the ai code anyway
so effectively you're doing it twice
so much for efficiency
like i said before, if you are a bad developer, it will make you write bad code 10x faster, and if you are a good developer, it will make you write good code 10x faster
yea LLMs will hallucinate. it's not a matter of tweaking the parameters or training a better model, it's a core feature of the product
and I'd rather get it right the first time
also, writing code was never the bottleneck of software developers
as a software developer, writing code is not the thing you are hired to do
what is this sentence
that's correct sadly
it's correct though
its designing systems and having the correct architectural decisions that makes you a software developer
ik its still a sentence
you're not hired for your ability to write the code
you're hired for your ability to critically solve a problem
yes its correct but its an interesting sentence
writing code was always a means to the end of designing the system you are building
ok maybe I've enough patience for crashing over and over again (How to trigger: Use Cryptid + Entropy mod then play Antimatter Deck (Some runs can survive due to Entropy > 0 if you have Entropy Jokers))
this is why programming skills are transferable between languages
there is a caveat with that
smods, spectrallib, cryptid, and entropy are outdated
because some languages exceed in certain areas, and being really good with one language speaks volumes against someone with equal programmer skills but being new to the language
like even if you know programming, you will still probably write some terrible c++ code the first few months you are introduced to it
it's like every other job
your whole point (which i presume is "good use of AI automates the writing code part while you still develop the system yourself") is operating under the assumption that ai will consistently write good code. which it will not
which is why you dont just vibecode everything
you still gotta read the code it produces and make tweaks
its not like its a magic button rn
unfortunately stock holder are too stupid to realise that fact
and thus, why they wants you to do it that way
ai will make okay code 80 percent of the time which is enough to be valuable
instead of, doing it the way it has been perfectly working for decades
it won't ever be a magic button, and i don't see where you can get significant efficiency boosts if you're just reading all the code and correcting it anyway
that's the neat part
you fucking dont
on average it doesnt actually contribute anything that's significant
most of the time, the code you are writing is not some crazy reveloutionary concept, it exists already
it just looks good to shareholders because something is faster
i dont believe that software developers will ever get replaced, i think job security will be enhanced
and oo more code equal more product equal more money yeah
i did not know that the balatro theme was in 7/4
but tbf i never counted it lol
so then i don't see the appeal of ai when i can just check stack overflow for a significantly lower cost in many different ways
unga bunga billion dollar
so instead of trusting a machine that is able to synthesise 10 different stack overflow posts, you trust the one answer you find from a random guy
no lmao
<@&1460584319486791871> rule 9
this has gotten out of hand
to be fair i ask people here all the time
instead of trusting a machine that can and will hallucinate made-up solutions to a problem that won't work, i do the synthesis myself
the topic is on ai, i said i would stop lol
its not a mean conversation
this server is the stackoverflow of balatro
this server is really good and ai is bad at balatro modding and it makes less sense to use it here
wrong
it's not because people dont back read
ok i have this thing call a search function
out of all things why are you pedanting me on this
have you tried using ai other than balatro modding
he wasn't saying you don't backread
i've never used ai.
it wont do balatro modding well becasuse its too niche
then how can you know lol
living up to your name i think lol
ok and how does affect what i said
most of vibe coded games do not turn out well
and most break
the ability is there, the fact that people dont use it doesnt negate its existence
that's it's not true, a discord server is not organized in the same way for people to care about searching back
if anything, it should be promoted more
it's partly a people problem but it's also a discord problem
what even is happening
for what it is, this discord server is about as good as it gets for help in balatro modding
because theres a lot of talented developers in here
okay fine
I use it as stackoverflow because I know how to backread and look up keywords that will lead me to the solutions i hopefully need
this is why i made vanillaremade, i think having knowledge stuck on discord servers is bad and i hate when communities force you to join theirs
vanillaremade has always been the goat
vibecoding != using ai to help you code
ok at this point i think things are getting too heated and i'm gonna step back, this isn't worth the argument anymore
but yes i can imagine, i cant think of any vibecoded games but i would think that to be true
i dont think anyone is genuinely upset
Why are ya'll still on the Rule 9 topic 😭
midding general has always been wild west
Also why THE FUCK this isn't a base discord feature FUCK YOU
it is tho
guys play my mod
UNFUCK YOU
guys play my mod
how
play smallpox
play stakes redux
i think we should have play my mod day
where we all say play my mod
and then we link revo's vault thread
that's not a mod
That's like everyday- oh
ive never made a balatro mod
i also dont have a released mod i could link
but maybe by proxy i have made more mods that all of you combined
😎
i was in hotpotato surely that means that entire mod is mine
If you're gonna play #1325147180280971294, there's a chance you will want to play it with #1466489320108982399. In that case, you would have to get #1485950792384118814
i do not deserve anyone playing my mods
i am a filthy j*kerforger
i mean yeah, for its purpose it is a good tool
it's not great and it's defintely only for very small scope mods
but like if you want to goof around and make like 15 jokers referencing your friends then it's a perfectly good route to go
it's the hamburger helper of balatro modding
joker forge is great i wish i made money from it
perfectly serviecable on its own, can be elevated by someone who are willing to put in the work
i am going to litter it with ads
starting in 2 minutes
full page unskippible ad whenever you export
but should be used with the awareness that it is not a replacement for the proper methods
enegry system
each time you add a block it cost 1 energy
you gain 1 energy every 4 hours but can buy upgrades
this is the way
10 credits
i did some maths a while ago and if i did add banner ads to jokerforge when i first made it, i wouldve made thousands by now
gotta have the """value pack""" that's perpetually 10% off
but that is a bit skewed because it does not account for people using it less because there are ads
i've been considering making a mod with my friends inside jokes
oh my mod has plenty
in fact, the very first thing i made in my mod was an injoke
I ain't using slopforge without an adblocker bruh
and the sole reason i learnt to mod was to make that joker
if only joker forge existed when you wanted to make you rmod
went down great in the group chat
Mewgenics has modding support
mewgenics would be too hard
spire might be easier than balatro
in terms of coding
i looked into making a binding of isaac forge
ktane forge
people told me not to do it because it was really difficult
it has possibly the ripest modding scene ever
but thats what people said before i made joker forge
and it's LITERALLY made to be modular
i will wait until spire has proper modding support
I need to add more jokes to my mod
downside is that you do have to somehow do 3d modelling
steam workshop type stuff
fun meme jokers are goated
stephen gorge from the hit youtube channel stephenplays and stephenvlogs
gorge mewgenics
which one is older stephenvlogs or the green brothers vlogs
like im pretty sure their timeline are pretty similar
he was like a pretty early investor in the daily vlog meta
should i buy mewgenics
Yeah
like yeah girl
girl dinner
+20 chips per fuckin whatever
Really fucking trying hard rn to not spill the beans on how to get cool secret dialogue because it's giga spoilers
all jokers with she/her pronouns are retriggered
and finishing up my uni work
Omfg
been working on it for a while now
its no longer a website
its a desktop app
can see the code changes while you change blocks
and see the code behind each block
-99% user base?
as well as it automatically putting the mods in your mods folder
Who is downloading Jokerforge 😭
yeah idk about that
and massive ui improvements
just you wait...
like that's just making me code with two programs instead of one
Put ads in that trust
you will be able to edit the code as you are placing blocks also
Placing blocks and shit
im trying to add more fun commons to my mod
its meant to be a full like editor of balatro mods
combination of coding and block placing
i think the caviat is that i need less lines
-5% per card is A LOT
so you can make general outline of what you want your mod items to do, then manually make changes
chat are we cooking
and it still all gets saved to one jokerforge file
5oak of faces demolishing half of a blind????
yeah you know what
these common food jokers actually feel a lot shorter than what i'm trying to aim for
-50 blind req per Spades scored?
How jolly
jolers
i think flat -req is a good base
SHUSH
i also dont really get -blind req as an effect tbh
Jolly Jollers
like in 99% of situations that is actually just worse that adding to the score
cus chips get multed and stuff
Quirky 😋
well in this case the toucher is a joke by lasagne where it's just this creature that touchesing you and then you die
Gimmicking
well isnt -blind req like almost identical to +score?
i dont wanna get into the semantics of similar thing vs similar thing
it's for flare
there's some mod effects that add overkill mechanics which is like the one case where -req might have a slight edge
but yeah it's literallty just pulling the goal closer vs walking toward the goal
again; it's like comparing xchips to xmult
people add it because they like the ✨aesthetic
well xchips has its places because it IS mathematically meaningful
and different to xmult
-req just isnt
yeah but usually people add it because its just blue
If I want to make something suck out something, I won't make it add
people add requirement reduction because scoremod might not fit
one is yellow and the other is purple
prayer card
also how do you have wiki for your stuff
man i love this fill
to be honest i kinda wanna make a miraheze wiki for my mod
Anyway what the fuck was happening in SiIvaGunner April Fools event, why is there Error Sans in Anthology of the Killer of all things
I didn't know Anthology of the Killer got on steam
honestly i kinda wanna just focus a bit on how i should get my Commons structured, that way they dont feel forced
weathergirl
galileo joker because he's an astrologist
the event joke is undertale AU prefixes being applied to other media
stuff like Fellatro or Hope!Garfield Kart
honestly a pretty creative bit
gave us some MASSIVE bangers too
Yeah I figured that out 😭
I just didn't really expect fucking Error Sans having a beef with BB specifically
what i want to do is wipe this entire blinds list and try and make it more starspaceish
because rn it has a few old stinky concepts from back when i had someone making most of the bad ideas
boss blind where it plays unmutable copyrighted music so the goal is to beat it as fast as possible before stream gets claimed
or like instead of "set money to $0" it plays the first 5 minutes of a disney film
thinking of making a final final boss blind at like ante 16 or ante 24
some shit like "Chaotic Core" and it gains a new effect each blind
until like the fuckin god of chaos appears and its a completely new and devastating effect
i kinda wanna add like really small exponentiation or tetration to my mod like morefluf
my mod used to have a gameset planned that had a lot of emult and echips jokers and items and shit but we killed it because it doubled the workload for basically no reason
what if jokers that do other transformation beyond expoential stuff
and if i wanted customizability i would probably just make talisman/amulet only jokers
jokers that takes your score as a function for a wave and fourier transform it
sets blind size to log base (1+(1/(log base req))) blind req
joker that take your played hand as a set of coordinate on a 5D hypercube and triggers if that vertex is adjacent to previous hand
What context would I use to trigger an effect whenever the joker to the left/right triggers?
joker that gives you mult equal to f squared if your played hand is able to be made into a valid 6D pythagorean sextuplet
hey guys did you know that pythagorean theorem actually holds true in any number of dimensions
joker that converts your mult into binary and then square roots it
i kinda wanted to do a base10 to base11 or like bases to bases thing for starspace
but it felt a bit weird
into binary interpreted in base 10*
so in 2D the pytahorean equaltion as we know it is a^2 + b^2 = c^2
"Converts blind size from base 10 to base 11 (a is interpreted as 1)"
but if you expand it to a 3D space, you get a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = d^2 where d is the "hypothenuse", and it holds true
i could do an on sell effect
you can extend this infinitely upward as the number of dimension grows
this is just an excuse for me to mention this fun fact
i love higher dimension math
Straight Up Crack (Uncommon, $8):
Sell this Joker to convert the blind requirement to hexadecimal (letters are interpreted as numbers based on their place in the alphabet)
walter hartwell white joker 🔥
what if his name was walter mult
ayo im new here, does mods disables achievements? cuz i wanted install handy mod
and he was red like mult
only Unlock All disables achievements
you doing bed steamodded for that i think
its customizable in the settings found in the mod list menu when you click the mods button
joker that hashes your held cards with sha256 and gives +5 mult for each 5 in the hashtext
my inspiration for my more wacky jokers that i want come from shit like aikoshen and Paya's Terrible Additions
joker that pushes each digit of your mult 3 to the right
i kinda wanna do a joker that targets a number or thingy that like no normal player knows how to interpret
thx y'all
like the pta joker that gives x3 mult or some shit if hand is pairs x whatever a fuckin
joker that calls the openai api to ask it to evalute your hand, and you gain mult based on how close its result actually is to the correct number
and then just says good luck
detrimental joker because you have to use ai
anyways i digress
detrimental joker because it cannot get anywhere close
it doesnt even know what a jimbo is
It's not just 1200 score, it's 1201 score. 👏