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fair thistle
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Never shilling again smh

silk sphinx
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what rarity should this be?

fair thistle
fair thistle
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anyways how complex is it

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im gonna assume this is rare level since it's pretty reliant

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could be uncommon

silk sphinx
# fair thistle anyways how complex is it

every time a playing card or Joker creates money, Banker gains 0.05 xMult per dollar created. (ie. Gold Seal card gives Banker 0.15x per trigger, Golden Joker gives Banker 0.2x)

forest knoll
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does it lose xmult if you lose money (wraith, the tooth)

fair thistle
silk sphinx
fair thistle
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I think a problem some people have with balancing is that they don't take into account the complexity levels for the rarities

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especially with the issue of just switching a joker's rarity if it's over or underpowered

silk sphinx
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thats why i'm asking

fair thistle
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since commons are meant to be simple and rares are meant to be a bit more complicated, but people like to think of it as just "how much does it carry your run"

silk sphinx
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fair

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well i think that because it benefits soley off of other jokers and deckfixing, maybe rare?

fair thistle
silk sphinx
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but yeah

cloud willow
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yes

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the fact that we had 28 commits in a day is a joke

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but the actual content is serious

frigid mica
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Maybe it’s noituus causing issues.

woven orchid
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wait not thousands if we're just adding another letter and counting up with that nvm

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it would have to be 48 for zeebee tho

fair thistle
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what is zeebee

forest knoll
fair thistle
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hi meta :3

frigid mica
fair thistle
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ruby is so cool

forest knoll
# fair thistle what is zeebee

the latest smods release is numbered "1531zeebee" because it was the 28th significant change (new feature or bugfix) to smods on march 31st. a less april fools-y name would be "1531zb"

woven orchid
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i hate making pull requests to mods !!!!! i always just remake them with my changes

fair thistle
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hey Lily hi
I've been making a shit ton of balance changes to my mod and I realized I never gave your joker an actually effect

forest knoll
fair thistle
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I should probably work on making the Galactics wackier

fair thistle
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Oh sorry my Bad

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ophelia

woven orchid
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keep the joker the same though

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i am Ophelia now and the character is still Lily

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i prefer the distinction

fair thistle
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ahhhhh, okay
i digress

frigid mica
fair thistle
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but I feel like the galactics kinda just feel like if exotics were vanilla

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Lily jonkler has no effect yet too

forest knoll
fair thistle
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Trying to think about things but I've had to throw around a lot of ideas for customization options

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(thinking of redoing the name color thing, feels... strange)

fair thistle
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plus I've been a bit lazy lately partially due to the fact that I don't really wanna do art on this phone anymore

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(bday coming up at the latter half of the month, asking for a drawing tablet)

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i hope to make a good effect for the Lily joker if my brain works tommorrow

candid rain
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Did Brainstorm mod stop working? I'm unable to get negative blueprint anymore

fair thistle
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worded it like shit but it gets removed after the boss blind

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brianstorm

blissful stag
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slopatron 3000 the mod

frigid sedge
blissful stag
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genuinely one of the worst designed blinds btw just saying

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but im too stubborn to actually get rid of it

frigid sedge
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how do you even win that

blissful stag
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you dont

frigid sedge
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what mod is this so i nkow not to play it

blissful stag
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shrug

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im too lazy to download unlock all to find out

balmy lily
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when the overshoot is TOO obscure

lost bolt
leaden vector
frosty pecan
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which is the best balatro content mod

hard plank
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trust

hard plank
hard plank
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it's from Cruel Blinds

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i wonder what the boss does

exotic belfry
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Muck

wide mulch
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hey guys

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whats the point of calculate effect

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is that new

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and how new

hard plank
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SMODS.calculate_effect ?

wide mulch
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im trying to re-read my code generation algorithm after 1000+ user commits and ive realised i havent actually programmed in lua or seen lua in like 8 months

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am i tripping or was calucate effect never a thing

hard plank
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as in what thing

wide mulch
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for like just shit like adding chips

hard plank
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you just return it in calculate function

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if context.joker_main then return { chips = 67 } end

wide mulch
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so why is my generator spitting out this

  calculate = function(self, card, context)
        if context.cardarea == G.jokers and context.joker_main then
            return SMODS.calculate_effect({
                chips = 10,
                colour = G.C.CHIPS
            }, card)
        end
    end
frigid mica
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I’m crine

wide mulch
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unless someone changed my code gen

wide mulch
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this is what im saying

frigid mica
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Don’t put return and SMODS.calculate_effect in the same thing

wide mulch
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its 6am where i live i might not be in the right state of mind rn

hard plank
wide mulch
hard plank
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and you don't need to return it

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just return the { chips = 10 }

wide mulch
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is calculate effect new as in the last half a year

hard plank
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no

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it was news back in 1401 ALPHA

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aka last year

wide mulch
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what time last year

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is it before i initially wrote jokerforge

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or after

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anyways

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in this case, calculate effect is completely useless then

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this is what im trying to understand

subtle oasis
hard plank
hard plank
wide mulch
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i am going to sleep and working on this rewrite tomorrow

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thank you for the wisdom

subtle oasis
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my base event queue

wide mulch
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i may have messed some things up for back compat reasons

hard plank
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don't bother with alpha 1304a compat

wanton rapids
wide mulch
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no i mean joker forge back compat

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like with other effects

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that may use calculate effect

wanton rapids
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return SMODS.merge_effects { { mult = 4 }, { mult = 4 } }

wide mulch
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i am rewriting my joker forge algorithm from scratch in rust

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and this time the code will be clean

wanton rapids
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aikoyori

hard plank
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do you remember eval_this

wanton rapids
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no i never used it

wide mulch
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i will be back with more benign questions tomorrow as i begin to relearn how smods works

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stay tuned

subtle oasis
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why my base event queue stay in 2000 when i do nothing?

hard plank
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idk what you're trying to do

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anyway i will still shill my own mod until the end of time

wide mulch
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actually a goated mod

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i played it like 8 months ago

hard plank
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the code is a mess

wide mulch
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you are talking to the creator of joker forge about your lua code being a mess

hard plank
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it was from the days before i learned the proper ropes of smods

wide mulch
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you gotta be a top 10 smods wizard now

hard plank
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not really

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there are people better than me

wide mulch
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yeah so top 10

hard plank
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i don't think I'm top 10 tho

wide mulch
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the issue was i never really learned lua or smods, i just learned a new function at a time or stuff like that

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and i have never made a balatro mod

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so i retained basically no information

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because i will learn how to do something once, just to implement it, then never use it again

hard plank
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so you know what the deal is with some niche functions

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my mod has a whole file dedicated to utils

wide mulch
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I participated in hot potato

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but I wasn't good enough to do some of the hard parts of the coding

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it's like I have a super surface level of what everything does, use it once, then never again, so I never built those skills

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but I will relearn for jokerforge 2

wanton rapids
hard plank
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more fluff

wanton rapids
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aikoyori

hard plank
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is water food

wanton rapids
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s shenanigans

wanton rapids
lost bolt
hard plank
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do you drink diet cola as food

strong obsidian
fiery lintel
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does anyone have a mod specifically turning the tarot card designs into JJBA designs? if so, can I get the name of it

rain orbit
winged prism
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Why is the text small

rain orbit
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This one way better actually

winged prism
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It's still as small

rain orbit
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You're small

winged prism
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Finally

limber oak
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?

granite forum
granite forum
wanton rapids
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wtf is a bundles of fun

granite forum
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my mod

hard plank
sleek granite
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morefluff 2....

tawdry quest
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where can i get the most recent release of lovely?

frigid furnace
tawdry quest
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thanks

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i couldnt find it

wanton rapids
lost bolt
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well this is a new one

winged prism
sleek granite
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fluffier than ever

umbral pilot
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I wonder if he fishes

tawdry quest
lean dune
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but also holy shit, MoreSpeed?

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doing it like this just seems like a pain to keep updated but meh

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git submodules exist

hard plank
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You're using a version of my mod from 5 million years ago

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when did you get it

lean dune
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it's not illegal, the licenses mods use allow for redistribution

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it's also probably not helpful to anyone

wanton rapids
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in the long run this will end up being harmful to mod devs since people are way more likely to have outdated versions if they get it from here

lean dune
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this is also true

wanton rapids
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will you always update it? this is not foolproof

west hill
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Why don’t you just maintain a list of links to your favourite mods instead?

wanton rapids
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you can try but i can guarantee you will almost never have them all fully up to date

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okay? you have your local mods folder for that

west hill
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How does having a git repo full of outdated code solve that

wanton rapids
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then go to the mod repo?

dusty token
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submodules.......................

wanton rapids
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is this true?

west hill
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I am baffled

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These reasons make no sense at all 🤷

tawdry quest
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i have removed myself

wanton rapids
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but the repo is still there ?

tawdry quest
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yah the repo still exists

wanton rapids
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i feel like having the note at the very bottom doesnt help at all

sleek granite
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infinite jokers but no jokes

tawdry quest
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ima just add more mods i mean it wouldve been about 57 if there wasnt a 100 file upload limit

wanton rapids
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dont

tawdry quest
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why

wanton rapids
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the repo existing is the problem, if someone searches "balatro mods" and finds this and downloads outdated mods then it will be your fault

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you can have it private if you just want it as a source code reference

tawdry quest
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i have no words for that

sleek granite
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why do you want to be the 9minecraft of balatro

tawdry quest
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i mean theres also the fact that ive removed most of the mods with bugs ive found also i mean whats wrong with an outdated mod if t works?

wanton rapids
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it being outdated is the problem

tawdry quest
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but whats wrong with it being outdated if it works fine

lean dune
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the problem is us mod devs having to troubleshoot users on outdated versions because it often doesn't work fine

wanton rapids
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we cannot trust that this will always remain the case

lean dune
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all mods have bugs. always.

tawdry quest
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i test every mod i download also i said most

toxic cloud
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that's pretty much one of software testing principles
you cannot and can never get rid of bugs, they always exist in a program

storm forum
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...additional comparison - such is like using Windows 2000 and expecting Microsoft support-

tawdry quest
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i use windows 10

woven orchid
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i say this with love ali you are definitely the only person who would make that reference

wanton rapids
woven orchid
tawdry quest
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ik but still

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and again most

lean dune
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as a mod dev, it's a pain having to keep troubleshooting all the bugs that you've long already replaced with other bugs

sleek granite
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why do you want to bootleg freely available content

tawdry quest
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i havent changed it at all its just alot in 1

lean dune
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"bootleg" doesn't imply you changed it

sleek granite
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yes 500 in 1 nes cartridge

storm forum
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Or those old CD/DVDs with multiple versions of Windows on them from back in the day.

woven orchid
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this is like if you made your own version of steam that does everything the same but you never updated it ever and then got confused why Valve was annoyed

tawdry quest
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its like 4 AM rn and i havent slept in 26 hours

wanton rapids
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pineapple i am going to assume good faith and that you mean well but PLEASE take this down

storm forum
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blueprint Then commit sleep.

woven orchid
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if my mod were on there i would absolutely tell you to take it down but thankfully i have the honor of being spared by your bad mod choice

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not overall but MoreSpeed are we for real

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Handy is right there

lean dune
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this isn't even functional as provided, there's no smods

umbral pilot
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needs lovely

woven orchid
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github is not a place for your file storage it is a place for maintaining projects with version control

umbral pilot
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missing strontium

tawdry quest
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were asuming you alr have lovely and smods

lean dune
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missing dwmapi.dll

umbral pilot
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need dwmapi.dll

lean dune
wanton rapids
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this needs dwmapi.dll

tawdry quest
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yah

lean dune
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so you specifically excluded smods?

tawdry quest
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yes

lean dune
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fun

storm forum
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Missing .NET 9.0.

umbral pilot
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I recommend balamod

lean dune
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Missing LÖVE 11.5.0

tawdry quest
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i have like love 0.9

umbral pilot
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that's a good one

lean dune
wanton rapids
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okay well now your outdated mods arent guaranteed to work with current smods

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so now there is actually an issue

umbral pilot
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just don't update smods

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🙏

lean dune
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download smods 0711

tawdry quest
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i have leme check 1.0.0-beta-1224a

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smods

lean dune
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congrats you're two major updates behind

umbral pilot
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lovely source

umbral pilot
tawdry quest
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ill just include those in my github and aslong as they dont update their smods everything will probly work

lean dune
lean dune
tawdry quest
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yes

lean dune
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I'd rather you not redistribute an old version of smods
-# for legal reasons i can't stop you

tawdry quest
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also smods is over 100 files so i cant do that anyway

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github file limit

dusty token
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please

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submodules......

tawdry quest
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what dat

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explain

dusty token
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it lets you include other git repos

tawdry quest
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cool

umbral pilot
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crustmodules

lean dune
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methmodules

woven orchid
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crustpeak

dusty token
lean dune
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frosticepeak

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🐅

umbral pilot
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me when I auremodule all over the place and get banned from the Berlin public library

lean dune
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tiger2ing it

west hill
# tawdry quest i mean theres also the fact that ive removed most of the mods with bugs ive foun...

You have a version of Malverk that is outdated and has bugs that have already been fixed - my response to anyone reporting these will be to update the mod but if they’ve downloaded it from you they have no way of knowing that. This is a fundamental issue with what you are doing here and the only person responsible for issues people encounter is you, but the devs are the people who will get the flack for it.

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Please either remove this repo from public view, or delete any of my mods from it.

tawdry quest
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idk which ones are yours

west hill
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This proves my point, you show no respect for individual devs by doing this

woven orchid
umbral pilot
west hill
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I imagine most devs will hold exactly the same viewpoint as I do on this

tawdry quest
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tbh

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ill just remove malverk if it bothers you so much also read the botom of the readme.md

lean dune
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that notice helps no one

dusty token
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this is a collection of balatro mods i put up to have an easier way for people to browse balatro mods without searching for hours
bmm, miraheze, and #1209506514763522108 exists 😭

tawdry quest
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"im lazy and used a python program to find the authors"

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-me

toxic cloud
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still

wanton rapids
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please remove 0 error too

tawdry quest
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yah ik im kinda stupid

woven orchid
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this is stupid

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how do you not realize this

wanton rapids
toxic cloud
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the repo helps no one

lean dune
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as a contributor to Talisman and MoreSpeed, I'd like you to remove those too

tawdry quest
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never said it was

woven orchid
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stupidity is not an excuse to do stupid things if people are telling you to not do it

dusty token
woven orchid
lean dune
woven orchid
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i readded notations as a system (they were just sitting there but unimplemented)

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what abt u

tawdry quest
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ima just private the repo

toxic cloud
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there, much better

dusty token
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thank you

woven orchid
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good

lean dune
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I've "technically" "contributed" to Talisman

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Just some smods-related fixes iirc

toxic cloud
lean dune
tawdry quest
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guys im sorry for my stupid mistakes i will now go do something else for a while

lean dune
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go to sleep

tawdry quest
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nah

lean dune
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yeah

west hill
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If you haven’t slept for 26 hours you should definitely do that

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Look after your health

hard plank
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improvements to mod list

tawdry quest
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btw last thing before i go to bed would yall be fine if i just made a big list of links to balatro mod repos and put it as a readme.md?

umbral pilot
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you should do that :-)

dusty token
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pineappeak

woven orchid
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that is actually a good idea

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i mean there are already balatro mod indexes so if i were you i would focus on mods that aren't on things like BMM

tawdry quest
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im back

toxic arrow
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anyone got any ideas for a unique way to have an edition that is tied to money

tawdry quest
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  1. make an edition 2. get some rope 3. tie it to money
toxic arrow
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hhmm

unkempt current
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Guys i want to develop a game

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A mod wasn't enough

lean dune
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we had jame, now we have gam?

unkempt current
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Speaking of mods i haven't touched my mod in a while

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-# Nor did anybody play it

tawdry quest
lean dune
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nice. btw I would recommend handy instead of more speed

frigid mica
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Isn’t Amulet better by a large margin?

wanton lintel
frigid mica
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My mod uses it

lean dune
frigid mica
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I don’t need to use to_big on my calcs anymore

lean dune
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it's talisman but you don't need your mods to support it

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it just works™

wanton lintel
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yeah eclipse might use that lowk if numbers get big

frigid mica
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I like my numbers cdata bruh

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No more table numbers

hard plank
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hi

fair thistle
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millions must aikoyori

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hundreds must astro

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billions must cryptid

lean dune
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haikoyori

bleak axle
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Hello i require idea for a personal mod im making
(No it wont ever be released)

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Its for a joker called "Half life 3"

fair thistle
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im stealing from all of you

carmine prawn
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What do you mean SMODS.mod_blind_size() is now a thing!? NOOO lewxen_Teary_Laugh

hard plank
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hi flowire

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it is a thing since like a few days ago

carmine prawn
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Yeah I just saw it ... Is the one thing that made my Mod special just a normal thing now?
Damn 😔 ✊

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I guess I'll check it out after the Mod-Jam lol

lean dune
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being supported by smods doesn't make it normal

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it just makes it so you don't have to jump through hoops to do it

hard plank
fair thistle
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i honestly might convert my blind size mod jokers into scoremod jokers

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-7% blind size per 7 scored into x1.07 score per or whatever

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celesteing it

bleak axle
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Wait... is it wrong of me to use this channel? Since i have a mod but i dont wanna release cuz its just for me

All i wanna do is to ask for ideas and help with crash stuff if need be

fair thistle
exotic belfry
bleak axle
carmine prawn
lean dune
exotic belfry
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It was pretty clearly made to not be called on its own lol

fair thistle
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i need to get a pro balancer on my team, my mod has "just-bump-it's-rarity-up"itis

exotic belfry
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(I wish it was but I digress)

lean dune
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you can always calculate_effect though so meh

hard plank
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do you guys like my score_mod

carmine prawn
fair thistle
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i really dont want those stains to stay

fair thistle
exotic belfry
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My main gripe is that .set is a valid argument for the function but you just cannot use that since there’s only blind_size and xblind_size 😭

hard plank
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😭

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tbf it was like carbon copy of score mod pr

lean dune
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i love rushing releases

bleak axle
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Also.. exuse me if im very new to modding i just started baby step with jokerforge

awaits to be laughed out of the room

Still i do wanna learn how to code...

exotic belfry
fair thistle
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guys is this good

lean dune
fair thistle
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i mean theres some learning tools i could point to

lean dune
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i also recommend astra's guide

fair thistle
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using other mod's code as reference, i think theres a mod called VanillaRemade that is meant to help you to learn how to code

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i dont recommend jokerforge since its not great for learning

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it doesnt really show you upfront what the code does until you decompile it or whatever

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iirc

lean dune
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wdym decompile

exotic belfry
bleak axle
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I see, i see, thank you :>

fair thistle
# lean dune wdym decompile

i was hearing goodmorning talk and he said that a lot of people say that jokerforge is not a great learning tool
one of the things he said he was gonna remedy in jokerforge 2 was making the code show up right there when you put the blocks in

bleak axle
fair thistle
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dont be afraid to ask for help, you can also use other mods as examples for wording, ideas, effects, art, etc

lean dune
fair thistle
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yeah i know i meant to say like

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it doesnt show the code

exotic belfry
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Some of the lines don’t even do anything lol

fair thistle
lean dune
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also tools like jokerforge are never good for learning actual coding

lean dune
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due to how they work, they always generate code a certain way that doesn't always mirror what human-written code would look like

fair thistle
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FUCK OFF

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IM GONNA KILL MY BROTHER

bleak axle
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Btw i do wanna ask where is a good channel to ask for game ideas?

I dont wanna rip off #1155557846805643434 ideas there

exotic belfry
fair thistle
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shut up

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shut up

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SHUT UP

lean dune
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wtf is happening astro

fair thistle
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im actually gonna die i hate that meme so fuckin much

lean dune
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damn

fair thistle
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like not as a stupid "ough you're getting executed haha !!!" i just hate it

bleak axle
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My intrusive thoughts made me think... "i should make a 67 joker"

lean dune
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what happened to when 69 was the funny number

bleak axle
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I shudder at the idea

lean dune
fair thistle
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make a joker that smokes weed

bleak axle
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Oh right i still wonder what should i do with a joker i have called

"Half life 3"

fair thistle
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Take the concept of the things you want to add as jokers, strip them down to fundamentals while keeping some specificities for the final effect
Do not translate it directly, try your best to Intuit an effect without attaching rarity to it

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Get it's complexity level,

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For example if it's simple, it's common

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But if it's a bit more complex, it's rare

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Do not just change the rarity to balance a joker, change the numbers in the joker

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Do not be afraid to try again over and over

bleak axle
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Hmmmmmm interesting :0
But also i do need to take into account this mod im making basically is a "yahimod" aka take a meme, game or anime reference and turn it into a joker

Just something that makes it fun for me

fair thistle
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yahimod, while cool, doesn't have great replay value

bleak axle
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Yea thats why i try to balance it out

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And not make it full blown cryptid

fair thistle
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which is kinda the point, but if you want replay value you've gotta show the player you care

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That's why when I put things into #1487506153309999244 I try to take into account how the player would FEEL using it

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Past fun and into y'know

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Not getting overwhelmed

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Not getting boring after a while

hard plank
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hlx

bleak axle
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Tbh my original plan for "hl3" was "when a blind is selected, 1 in 9999 chance for a legendary joker to spawn, after 3 blinds, self destruct"

Issue is probably to hard to make lol

timid arch
#

sounds pretty simple actually

#

something like
If context is selecting blind and probability is successful, spawn a rarity 4 joker
If context is winning blind, increase a local variable by 1
When the variable equals 3, self destruct

winged prism
hard plank
#

soul is more common than that

bleak axle
#

I lnow it was dumb so i never made it lmao

compact charm
#

anyone got mod recommendations

#

im generally fine with anything

keen knoll
normal hollow
full edge
#

You should play Vanilla Remade

compact charm
#

i'll check these out eventually

full edge
lean dune
winged prism
dusty token
#

not again

winged prism
#

I think a mention of a project involving AI probably falls under it, and just removing the part that explicitly mentions it from the message is kinda dumb
mr_bones

#

<@&1460584319486791871> hello lolhappy909

long hare
#

is this rule 8?

winged prism
long hare
dusty token
#

balatrospire6

long hare
#

also, the entire project is also AI

#

btw, that CC guy joined the server today

forest knoll
compact charm
compact charm
#

just an ai copy

normal hollow
#

you can semantically argue if it's a port or not but i do think it goes against the spirit of that rule nonetheless

winged prism
#

I OpenSpire on my Balatro till Claude rules 9

forest knoll
#

it's a "reimplementation" of the game's logic, I think that counts as port-esque
point is, it lets you play something very close to balatro in a pirated manner, much like a port to gba or whatever

lean dune
#

wtf

compact charm
#

honestly i dont even know how to type em dashes on discord

lean dune
#

AI sts clone in my Balatro?

#

this is blatantly rules 1+9

maiden vine
#

Looks like an ai response

#

😹

hard plank
compact charm
#

this guy also has an ai copy of slay the spire on his github

umbral pilot
lean dune
#

it's a shame the em dash has become a symbol for LLMs

umbral pilot
#

you can also literally just

compact charm
#

thats not an em dash

#

its a hyphen

fervent owl
#

they aren't a native speaker

hard plank
umbral pilot
#

seems like fun!

lean dune
#

maiden vine
fervent owl
#

they probably use llm to translate

maiden vine
compact charm
hard plank
#

crazy people*

maiden vine
#

I would simply say "Im sorry. I wasnt aware of the rule..."

compact charm
#

its probably just translated

hard plank
#

ethan you don't get to do it

compact charm
#

surely ai cant run discord accounts

umbral pilot
hard plank
maiden vine
dusty token
#

yoh know what

forest knoll
#

you should be ashamed. we are not AI friendly in here. copying the game like this is no way to express your love for it, and I hope playstack DMCAs you

maiden vine
#

Looks like they translated it

hard plank
#

I'm sure it's also translated

dusty token
#

you shouldve posted this in april 1st

umbral pilot
#

I think it's neat that they made something about a game that they love

compact charm
karmic compass
#

is this a really late bit

#

it's the 3rd

compact charm
#

i think its for real

#

the guy put up videos advertising this on xiaohongshu

maiden vine
#

That's shit

unkempt current
#

What's going on in here

cloud willow
maiden vine
#

unkempt current
#

I'm sorry — I didn't quick catch that.

#

Why does ai use — so much

maiden vine
#

Probably the data they use to train on has — whenever they tend to explain something

compact charm
#

academic writing i guess

#

i wouldnt know

maiden vine
#

I think that's the case

forest knoll
compact charm
#

my school paid some ai service and used it to grade essays 🙏

umbral pilot
#

being vegetarian makes a big difference too 👍

compact charm
#

worst decision of all time

maiden vine
umbral pilot
#

meat industry is an even larger emitter of methane and whatnot

normal hollow
#

chat, it's also against the rules to discuss ai

#

you should move on

maiden vine
#

fashion industry is also destroying environment

compact charm
#

industry is destroying environment in general

maiden vine
#

Yeah

#

The hate for AI is just a subtle representation of hates for corpos in general

latent crescent
compact charm
dusty token
maiden vine
latent crescent
#

True

#

you got me

maiden vine
#

It is the aftermath of long term issues

umbral pilot
maiden vine
#

Like unemployment, poverty

dusty token
forest knoll
maiden vine
#

Farting frequently is a symtom of some intestine disease

umbral pilot
#

or of a hero this server needs

whole hatch
forest knoll
#

hi lolhappy
sorry if i got heated in the fallout of that, bit of a kneejerk reaction

wide mulch
#

very great tool

normal hollow
#

hi goodmorning

winged prism
#

I mean. Rule 9 does say "any other mention". Cough cogh

wide mulch
#

ai in coding is like, industry standard

maiden vine
wide mulch
#

companies pay for their developers to have ai subscriptions

maiden vine
#

We have to do more things in this era of ai boom

wide mulch
#

its just the new way software developers code now

#

i remember when chatgpt 3 came out

#

and i tried it

maiden vine
#

Without using AIs we fall short on performance

wide mulch
#

for some coding

maiden vine
#

😹

forest knoll
#

this software developer still writes code the old way

wide mulch
#

and i was very very impressed even if it was largely bad

#

yeah

wide mulch
#

i like to think of ai in terms of, it will make you 10x more productive. if you are a good developer, it will make you output good code 10x faster. but if you are already a bad developer, you output slop 10x faster

#

i thought htat rule only applied to ai art

#

if so i will stop mentioning it lol

winged prism
#

That's not my name

dusty token
#

i still code manually cuz i do perf-critical mods :>

normal hollow
#

mine are performance critical but because i try to make it perform as bad as possible

forest knoll
#

i still code manually because i believe software development is a creative endeavor as well as a technical one, and i don't want no robot doing that work for me

north salmon
#

using ai to code ends up quickly ruining your skills to write code yourself

dusty token
#

anyway, uh

#

jame

forest knoll
#

sealab joker jame is going quite well and i'm excited to see what everyone creates balatrojoker

forest knoll
#

ktem when

wide mulch
#

i think ai is less valuable when it comes to stuff like making balatro mods. because there is less widely available docs for SMODS, and also you are making balatro mods for fun so theres more incentive to not use any ai at all

cloud willow
#

music time lets go

compact charm
wide mulch
#

if you ever make something more than balatro mods you will see what i mean tho lol

compact charm
#

i was forced against my will to vibecode an app at some random programme

cloud willow
#

as someone who codes outside of mods

#

I hate AI

karmic compass
#

yeah i was going to college for software development but ended up noping out

#

seeing the state of industry standard nowadays i ultimately made the right call

#

it absolutely will KILL all of my passion and enjoyment of coding

cloud willow
#

okay back to music bye chat

karmic compass
#

and i dont want to lose that

forest knoll
#

as someone going into the software development field and having coded outside of modding already, I will go down kicking and screaming before I touch an AI

cloud willow
#

7/4 is gonna be weird to make music in

karmic compass
#

ai coding is just adding a middleman for looking up stackoverflow code

#

like yeah it will do it for you faster

forest knoll
#

like I said before, there's a creativity aspect to software development that I refuse to have taken away from me
also the environmental angle, not to mention the economical angle

karmic compass
#

but also you will eventually look up stackoverflwo code yourself to fix the ai code anyway

#

so effectively you're doing it twice

#

so much for efficiency

wide mulch
#

like i said before, if you are a bad developer, it will make you write bad code 10x faster, and if you are a good developer, it will make you write good code 10x faster

forest knoll
#

yea LLMs will hallucinate. it's not a matter of tweaking the parameters or training a better model, it's a core feature of the product

#

and I'd rather get it right the first time

wide mulch
#

also, writing code was never the bottleneck of software developers

#

as a software developer, writing code is not the thing you are hired to do

normal hollow
#

that's correct sadly

karmic compass
wide mulch
#

its designing systems and having the correct architectural decisions that makes you a software developer

cloud willow
#

ik its still a sentence

karmic compass
#

you're not hired for your ability to write the code

#

you're hired for your ability to critically solve a problem

cloud willow
#

yes its correct but its an interesting sentence

wide mulch
#

writing code was always a means to the end of designing the system you are building

languid roost
#

ok maybe I've enough patience for crashing over and over again (How to trigger: Use Cryptid + Entropy mod then play Antimatter Deck (Some runs can survive due to Entropy > 0 if you have Entropy Jokers))

wide mulch
#

this is why programming skills are transferable between languages

#

there is a caveat with that

forest knoll
wide mulch
#

because some languages exceed in certain areas, and being really good with one language speaks volumes against someone with equal programmer skills but being new to the language

#

like even if you know programming, you will still probably write some terrible c++ code the first few months you are introduced to it

karmic compass
#

it's like every other job

forest knoll
#

your whole point (which i presume is "good use of AI automates the writing code part while you still develop the system yourself") is operating under the assumption that ai will consistently write good code. which it will not

wide mulch
#

you still gotta read the code it produces and make tweaks

#

its not like its a magic button rn

karmic compass
#

unfortunately stock holder are too stupid to realise that fact

#

and thus, why they wants you to do it that way

wide mulch
#

ai will make okay code 80 percent of the time which is enough to be valuable

karmic compass
#

instead of, doing it the way it has been perfectly working for decades

forest knoll
#

it won't ever be a magic button, and i don't see where you can get significant efficiency boosts if you're just reading all the code and correcting it anyway

karmic compass
#

that's the neat part

#

you fucking dont

#

on average it doesnt actually contribute anything that's significant

wide mulch
#

most of the time, the code you are writing is not some crazy reveloutionary concept, it exists already

karmic compass
#

it just looks good to shareholders because something is faster

wide mulch
#

i dont believe that software developers will ever get replaced, i think job security will be enhanced

karmic compass
#

and oo more code equal more product equal more money yeah

long hare
forest knoll
karmic compass
#

unga bunga billion dollar

wide mulch
forest knoll
#

no lmao

long hare
#

this has gotten out of hand

karmic compass
#

to be fair i ask people here all the time

forest knoll
#

instead of trusting a machine that can and will hallucinate made-up solutions to a problem that won't work, i do the synthesis myself

wide mulch
#

its not a mean conversation

karmic compass
#

this server is the stackoverflow of balatro

wide mulch
#

this server is really good and ai is bad at balatro modding and it makes less sense to use it here

normal hollow
karmic compass
#

out of all things why are you pedanting me on this

normal hollow
#

???

#

reread what i said

wide mulch
forest knoll
past lava
wide mulch
#

it wont do balatro modding well becasuse its too niche

wide mulch
#

living up to your name i think lol

karmic compass
#

ok and how does affect what i said

past lava
#

and most break

karmic compass
#

the ability is there, the fact that people dont use it doesnt negate its existence

normal hollow
#

that's it's not true, a discord server is not organized in the same way for people to care about searching back

karmic compass
#

if anything, it should be promoted more

normal hollow
#

it's partly a people problem but it's also a discord problem

dusty token
#

what even is happening

wide mulch
#

for what it is, this discord server is about as good as it gets for help in balatro modding

#

because theres a lot of talented developers in here

karmic compass
#

okay fine

#

I use it as stackoverflow because I know how to backread and look up keywords that will lead me to the solutions i hopefully need

normal hollow
#

this is why i made vanillaremade, i think having knowledge stuck on discord servers is bad and i hate when communities force you to join theirs

karmic compass
#

dont know about everyone else

#

sorry for making a blanket statement

wide mulch
#

vanillaremade has always been the goat

wide mulch
forest knoll
#

ok at this point i think things are getting too heated and i'm gonna step back, this isn't worth the argument anymore

wide mulch
#

but yes i can imagine, i cant think of any vibecoded games but i would think that to be true

wide mulch
winged prism
#

Why are ya'll still on the Rule 9 topic 😭

wide mulch
#

midding general has always been wild west

winged prism
#

Also why THE FUCK this isn't a base discord feature FUCK YOU

winged prism
#

Oh is it

#

Okay

#

Nevermind then

karmic compass
#

guys play my mod

winged prism
#

UNFUCK YOU

karmic compass
wide mulch
#

guys play my mod

karmic compass
#

how

past lava
#

play smallpox

wide mulch
forest knoll
#

play stakes redux

karmic compass
#

i think we should have play my mod day

#

where we all say play my mod

#

and then we link revo's vault thread

past lava
fair thistle
winged prism
#

That's like everyday- oh

wide mulch
karmic compass
#

i also dont have a released mod i could link

wide mulch
#

but maybe by proxy i have made more mods that all of you combined

wide mulch
#

😎

karmic compass
#

i have personally coded 2 ktane mods

#

does that count

wide mulch
#

i was in hotpotato surely that means that entire mod is mine

winged prism
past lava
#

i do not deserve anyone playing my mods
i am a filthy j*kerforger

wide mulch
#

joker forge is the goat

#

no bias

karmic compass
#

i mean yeah, for its purpose it is a good tool

#

it's not great and it's defintely only for very small scope mods

#

but like if you want to goof around and make like 15 jokers referencing your friends then it's a perfectly good route to go

#

it's the hamburger helper of balatro modding

wide mulch
#

joker forge is great i wish i made money from it

karmic compass
#

perfectly serviecable on its own, can be elevated by someone who are willing to put in the work

wide mulch
#

i am going to litter it with ads

#

starting in 2 minutes

#

full page unskippible ad whenever you export

karmic compass
#

but should be used with the awareness that it is not a replacement for the proper methods

#

enegry system

#

each time you add a block it cost 1 energy

#

you gain 1 energy every 4 hours but can buy upgrades

wide mulch
#

this is the way

winged prism
#

10 credits

wide mulch
#

i did some maths a while ago and if i did add banner ads to jokerforge when i first made it, i wouldve made thousands by now

karmic compass
#

gotta have the """value pack""" that's perpetually 10% off

wide mulch
#

but that is a bit skewed because it does not account for people using it less because there are ads

past lava
karmic compass
#

oh my mod has plenty

#

in fact, the very first thing i made in my mod was an injoke

winged prism
karmic compass
#

and the sole reason i learnt to mod was to make that joker

wide mulch
#

if only joker forge existed when you wanted to make you rmod

karmic compass
#

went down great in the group chat

wide mulch
#

i might ruin the slay the spire 2 community next

#

spireforge

karmic compass
#

got three whole 😮 reacts in the groupchat

#

so basically im famous

winged prism
#

Mewgenics has modding support

wide mulch
#

mewgenics would be too hard

#

spire might be easier than balatro

#

in terms of coding

#

i looked into making a binding of isaac forge

karmic compass
#

ktane forge

wide mulch
#

people told me not to do it because it was really difficult

karmic compass
#

it has possibly the ripest modding scene ever

wide mulch
#

but thats what people said before i made joker forge

karmic compass
#

and it's LITERALLY made to be modular

wide mulch
#

i will wait until spire has proper modding support

fair thistle
#

I need to add more jokes to my mod

karmic compass
#

downside is that you do have to somehow do 3d modelling

wide mulch
#

steam workshop type stuff

fair thistle
#

fun meme jokers are goated

winged prism
#

No mewgorge 🥺

#

Who the fuck is gorge

karmic compass
#

stephen gorge from the hit youtube channel stephenplays and stephenvlogs

past lava
karmic compass
#

which one is older stephenvlogs or the green brothers vlogs

#

like im pretty sure their timeline are pretty similar

#

he was like a pretty early investor in the daily vlog meta

past lava
#

should i buy mewgenics

winged prism
#

Yeah

wide mulch
#

mewgenics is really great

#

i got to act 3

fair thistle
#

girl dinner

#

+20 chips per fuckin whatever

karmic compass
#

girl dinner

#

girl dinner
retriggers all estrogen based jokers
(crossmod only)

winged prism
# wide mulch i got to act 3

Really fucking trying hard rn to not spill the beans on how to get cool secret dialogue because it's giga spoilers

wide mulch
#

i might pick it back up

#

been playing sts2

#

and programming joker forge 2

fair thistle
wide mulch
#

and finishing up my uni work

past lava
#

dear god.

winged prism
wide mulch
#

been working on it for a while now

#

its no longer a website

#

its a desktop app

#

can see the code changes while you change blocks

#

and see the code behind each block

winged prism
#

-99% user base?

wide mulch
#

as well as it automatically putting the mods in your mods folder

winged prism
#

Who is downloading Jokerforge 😭

karmic compass
#

yeah idk about that

wide mulch
#

and massive ui improvements

fair thistle
wide mulch
karmic compass
#

like that's just making me code with two programs instead of one

winged prism
wide mulch
#

you will be able to edit the code as you are placing blocks also

fair thistle
winged prism
fair thistle
#

im trying to add more fun commons to my mod

wide mulch
#

its meant to be a full like editor of balatro mods

#

combination of coding and block placing

fair thistle
#

i think the caviat is that i need less lines

karmic compass
#

-5% per card is A LOT

wide mulch
#

so you can make general outline of what you want your mod items to do, then manually make changes

cloud willow
wide mulch
#

and it still all gets saved to one jokerforge file

winged prism
fair thistle
#

yeah you know what

#

these common food jokers actually feel a lot shorter than what i'm trying to aim for

past lava
#

it's kinda hard to make common jolers

#

jokers

fair thistle
winged prism
wide mulch
#

jolers

fair thistle
#

i think flat -req is a good base

past lava
karmic compass
#

i also dont really get -blind req as an effect tbh

winged prism
#

Jolly Jollers

karmic compass
#

like in 99% of situations that is actually just worse that adding to the score

#

cus chips get multed and stuff

winged prism
fair thistle
winged prism
#

Gimmicking

fair thistle
#

well isnt -blind req like almost identical to +score?

#

i dont wanna get into the semantics of similar thing vs similar thing

#

it's for flare

karmic compass
#

there's some mod effects that add overkill mechanics which is like the one case where -req might have a slight edge

#

but yeah it's literallty just pulling the goal closer vs walking toward the goal

fair thistle
#

again; it's like comparing xchips to xmult
people add it because they like the ✨aesthetic

karmic compass
#

well xchips has its places because it IS mathematically meaningful

#

and different to xmult

fair thistle
karmic compass
#

-req just isnt

fair thistle
winged prism
#

If I want to make something suck out something, I won't make it add

fair thistle
#

people add requirement reduction because scoremod might not fit

#

one is yellow and the other is purple

past lava
#

ew

fair thistle
#

prayer card

karmic compass
#

also how do you have wiki for your stuff

fair thistle
#

i dont

#

entropy does

karmic compass
#

who maintains mod wiki

#

is it even being maintained

cloud willow
#

man i love this fill

winged prism
#

Random cultist imagery

#

Music is scary

fair thistle
#

to be honest i kinda wanna make a miraheze wiki for my mod

winged prism
#

Anyway what the fuck was happening in SiIvaGunner April Fools event, why is there Error Sans in Anthology of the Killer of all things

#

I didn't know Anthology of the Killer got on steam

fair thistle
#

honestly i kinda wanna just focus a bit on how i should get my Commons structured, that way they dont feel forced

languid roost
#

Yep, still the same error balatrojoker

fair thistle
#

galileo joker because he's an astrologist

fair thistle
#

honestly might mildly rename fluffy and shy joker

karmic compass
fair thistle
#

to be more Flash-based than Astro-based

karmic compass
#

stuff like Fellatro or Hope!Garfield Kart

#

honestly a pretty creative bit

#

gave us some MASSIVE bangers too

winged prism
fair thistle
#

what i want to do is wipe this entire blinds list and try and make it more starspaceish

#

because rn it has a few old stinky concepts from back when i had someone making most of the bad ideas

karmic compass
#

boss blind where it plays unmutable copyrighted music so the goal is to beat it as fast as possible before stream gets claimed

#

or like instead of "set money to $0" it plays the first 5 minutes of a disney film

fair thistle
#

thinking of making a final final boss blind at like ante 16 or ante 24

#

some shit like "Chaotic Core" and it gains a new effect each blind

#

until like the fuckin god of chaos appears and its a completely new and devastating effect

karmic compass
#

has there been a mod that did anything with ante 52

#

that's like THE number

fair thistle
#

i kinda wanna add like really small exponentiation or tetration to my mod like morefluf

#

my mod used to have a gameset planned that had a lot of emult and echips jokers and items and shit but we killed it because it doubled the workload for basically no reason

karmic compass
#

what if jokers that do other transformation beyond expoential stuff

fair thistle
#

and if i wanted customizability i would probably just make talisman/amulet only jokers

karmic compass
#

jokers that takes your score as a function for a wave and fourier transform it

fair thistle
karmic compass
#

joker that take your played hand as a set of coordinate on a 5D hypercube and triggers if that vertex is adjacent to previous hand

mint summit
#

What context would I use to trigger an effect whenever the joker to the left/right triggers?

fair thistle
#

nevermind that's adding blind size lmao

karmic compass
#

joker that gives you mult equal to f squared if your played hand is able to be made into a valid 6D pythagorean sextuplet

#

hey guys did you know that pythagorean theorem actually holds true in any number of dimensions

fair thistle
#

joker that converts your mult into binary and then square roots it

fair thistle
#

i kinda wanted to do a base10 to base11 or like bases to bases thing for starspace

#

but it felt a bit weird

long hare
fair thistle
#

yeah

#

thats basically what it does anyways

karmic compass
#

so in 2D the pytahorean equaltion as we know it is a^2 + b^2 = c^2

fair thistle
#

"Converts blind size from base 10 to base 11 (a is interpreted as 1)"

karmic compass
#

but if you expand it to a 3D space, you get a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = d^2 where d is the "hypothenuse", and it holds true

fair thistle
karmic compass
#

you can extend this infinitely upward as the number of dimension grows

#

this is just an excuse for me to mention this fun fact

#

i love higher dimension math

fair thistle
#

Straight Up Crack (Uncommon, $8):
Sell this Joker to convert the blind requirement to hexadecimal (letters are interpreted as numbers based on their place in the alphabet)

#

walter hartwell white joker 🔥

#

what if his name was walter mult

oblique valley
#

ayo im new here, does mods disables achievements? cuz i wanted install handy mod

fair thistle
#

and he was red like mult

long hare
hard plank
fair thistle
karmic compass
#

joker that hashes your held cards with sha256 and gives +5 mult for each 5 in the hashtext

fair thistle
#

my inspiration for my more wacky jokers that i want come from shit like aikoshen and Paya's Terrible Additions

long hare
#

joker that pushes each digit of your mult 3 to the right

fair thistle
#

i kinda wanna do a joker that targets a number or thingy that like no normal player knows how to interpret

oblique valley
#

thx y'all

fair thistle
karmic compass
#

joker that calls the openai api to ask it to evalute your hand, and you gain mult based on how close its result actually is to the correct number

fair thistle
#

and then just says good luck

fair thistle
#

anyways i digress

karmic compass
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detrimental joker because it cannot get anywhere close

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it doesnt even know what a jimbo is

fair thistle
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It's not just 1200 score, it's 1201 score. 👏