⚙・modding-general

[frozen vector]

Feel free to dm me if you need clarification too :3

Or send it in that thread

Either works

[reef tangle]

is revo still here

[reef tangle]

okay ^w^

[frozen vector]

Literally all art is just this

But different colors

[reef tangle]

why the hell do you need artists for

its already finished

[formal orchid]

i get you

im trying to find someone to art for #1388661813742407820

[frozen vector]

I don't want solid color placeholders for all my art twt

[formal orchid]

enslaving artists isnt easy

[exotic belfry]

Can confirm

[frozen vector]

And I STILL need to rework these four

As in, rework ability

The general idea will stay tho

Hearts x mult, spades +chips, clubs +mult, diamonds money

[reef tangle]

flail and dna

trust

[frozen vector]

The rework is that they will destroy all suits other than their own

And that they will all be on trigger effects

[reef tangle]

fair

[neon orchid]

Sproing

[frozen vector]

So +chips on a spade scoring, x mult on hearts, + mult clubs, money on diamonds

[frozen vector]

Also wait, am I dumb

Or class of 09?

[reef tangle]

ye

[frozen vector]

Fire

[reef tangle]

@formal orchid if you will i have 2 questions about the joker spawning stuff

how do i get printers
and
how do i get vaulted jokers

[cloud willow]

anyone know how I can stop the default actions for glass and lucky cards?
ive managed to get my own effect inserted but it's still doing the regular effect

[formal orchid]

printers can appear in shops

an there's a tarot for them

[frozen vector]

I'd imagine you'd need a lovely hook for that

[cloud willow]

rn im using take ownership

[formal orchid]

-# 2 tarots if you count the mega one

[cloud willow]

it worked for the jokers

[reef tangle]

are vaulted jokers like

actually vaulted

or

[cloud willow]

but it doesn't seem to disable playing cards

[formal orchid]

there is a shop tab

there are 4 buttons to do shit with your jokers

one of them is turning the placed joker into it's vaulted counterpart

if eligible

[formal orchid]

#💻・modding-dev
also could try to find and patch out the part where they're calculated in the base code

[reef tangle]

where is the shop tab .w.

[formal orchid]

idk tho

[formal orchid]

is your lovely 0.9

should be under the reroll button

[reef tangle]

nope

ill reinstall lovely rq

[formal orchid]

fire

[reef tangle]

didnt expect your mod to only hv

have cards that only show up when cryptid is there*

i think

[formal orchid]

i have crossmod with like 40 mods

wait letme count actually

[reef tangle]

good thing i have 40 mods

[formal orchid]

ok 34 that im aware of

33 i added locally and the 1 added by someone else on another mod

[reef tangle]

i can tell

[formal orchid]

i need to change 2 of those cryptid ones

[exotic belfry]

But here’s the printers

[formal orchid]

pronters

[reef tangle]

ok what happened here

[formal orchid]

i have no idea but

lovely seems to be 0.8

[reef tangle]

it shouldnt be

i put the newer version in

[forest knoll]

remember that lovely is installed differently from regular mods

it's a version.dll file that goes next to balatro.exe

[reef tangle]

o

[forest knoll]

yea the lovely folder in the mods folder is just output that lovely generates (logs and dumps of the patched code)

[reef tangle]

where do i find balatro.exe

[forest knoll]

in the steam entry for balatro, go wherever the "browse local files" button is

[carmine prawn]

[reef tangle]

ok not to keep going but where do i find the dll in this

[forest knoll]

you probably downloaded the wrong thing
that is likely the source code

follow the install instructions on the lovely github and it should link to the dll download

[reef tangle]

oki

[limpid lake]

someone who knows what they're doing could turn that folder into the dll
I'm not that someone. i have absolutely no idea how to do that

[forest knoll]

yea it's not impossible to compile it yourself
but there is no reason to do that unless you're interested in contributing to lovely

[reef tangle]

ok so my lovely thing came with version.dll

and now because theres no love.dll

it wont open

and idk how to get it back

[normal hollow]

verify files on steam?

[reef tangle]

ok

[forest knoll]

^ love.dll is a vanilla balatro file

[reef tangle]

ah

[ornate bone]

welp i tried.

forgot how ass I am at pixel art if it isn't editing off others stuff.

[neon orchid]

this is what nebula deck wishes it could be

[jaunty crest]

I am overwhelmed

What do I pick....

[reef tangle]

do yall think i have enough decks

[forest knoll]

install galdur

[reef tangle]

what mod is this

[reef tangle]

sell me on galdur

[jaunty crest]

Vall karri

[west hill]

Do you enjoy clicking that next deck button

[reef tangle]

yes

[west hill]

Then you are insane

Good luck in future modding experiences

[jaunty crest]

Seriously...

What

[west hill]

in all seriousness, galdur turnns deck selection into this

[forest knoll]

^ it also does the same for stakes

and comes with cardsleeves support

[west hill]

it might eventually have continue run support too

[woven crag]

What would continue run support even be

Theres already only 1 button in that menu

[neon orchid]

if i install a mod to add decks I will deal with clicking through every deck

[rain orbit]

I'm surprised it doesn't already

[reef tangle]

yuck

[jaunty crest]

Wdym by continue run?

[reef tangle]

way too convenient

[jaunty crest]

You mean resume?

[manic summit]

💔

[west hill]

it would, in theory, give you a lot more information about the run, and maybe have different save profiles implemented

[woven crag]

Interesting

Different save profiles would be great to have

[neon orchid]

i wouldnt be able to go back to vanilla if I could do that

[rain orbit]

The resume run menu is still the vanilla menu

[latent crescent]

Is it really need an upgrade?

[forest knoll]

not necessarily need, but look at what eremel just said

[jaunty crest]

I'm gonna kill myself....

[forest knoll]

the chromidic

[woven crag]

the chropeakic

[balmy lily]

THE CHROMATIC CLAIMS ANOTHER SOUL

[cloud willow]

why are lucky cards driving me insane 😭

[frail iris]

hey does anyone know how to make the banner mod not spam jimbo all the time?

[frozen vector]

It'll happen if you ban to much, each category of card has a "default" that if it can't spawn something valid, it gives the default

Vouchers have blank, jokers is Jimbo

Basically, the more you ban, the more jimbo

[frail iris]

and theres nothing to force it to reroll it until it doesnt roll jimbo?
and maybe then, idk, a mod that only lets one category (lets say, rares/legendaries) appear?

[reef tangle]

tip: dont have duplicare

or get chicot

[wind turtle]

No, it can't spawn anything else, so it spawns Joker

[frozen vector]

It already DOES reroll what it can, if an entire rarity is either owned, or in shop or banned, anything of that rarity becomes jimbo

Even the soul can give Jimbo technically

[reef tangle]

what if you ban jimbo

🤔

[frozen vector]

It doesn't care.

[reef tangle]

damn

[frozen vector]

Jimbo is the default

[frail iris]

oh okay

[frail iris]

i have jimbo banned LOL

[frail iris]

well but i mean, for example: if you already have all the common, then force that joker to not be common, ykwim??? bc im playing only with 24 jokers and theyre all uncommon or rare, mostly rare

[frozen vector]

Mhm, I get it

But as of now I don't know of anything like that existing

[frail iris]

i guess i will have to learn to make mods to solve it /hj

[formal orchid]

guys... play #1325147180280971294

[neon orchid]

Nah

No thanks

[formal orchid]

:((

[keen quail]

sure !

[formal orchid]

:))

another night i can get a good nights rest

what

ok i cant make sentences

[keen quail]

eep well

[formal orchid]

thanku

[worn dagger]

I jimbod eveywhere

[undone surge]

is jimblo legendary?

holy

[keen quail]

yea uh this guy's hexation

[undone surge]

and what does it do?

[worn dagger]

playing polterworx

they are Transcendent

I hit the 0.1 chance to get this

[undone surge]

annnd

And what does he do?

[keen quail]

yk tetration? yea uh this guy's several layers past that lol

[worn dagger]

I tried

doesn't work

[undone surge]

nag

[worn dagger]

it has the amulet bug

[vague epoch]

hey i'm knew to the server does anyone know how i install the mods?

[wind turtle]

Go to the bottom of the hooks.lua file in a text editor and change:

if not SMODS.Mods.Talisman or not SMODS.Mods.Talisman.can_load then
    to_big = function(num) return num end
    to_number = function(num) return num end
end
```To:
```lua
to_big = to_big or function(x) return x end
to_number = to_number or function(x) return x end

[worn dagger]

thank you mr or ms. dev

[neon orchid]

What about Mrs.

[worn dagger]

dw I'll use this when I go to 2k astros later

1k jimbo

[prisma mantle]

So, I'm trying Cryptid for the first time. I'm getting a bunch of "empty" cards in my hand, where there's just nothing where a card should be. (There's also a brief blue flash when I play a hand.) Is this mod unstable as hell or am I doing something wrong or what?

[worn dagger]

@wind turtle

[full edge]

Cryptid's unstable pretty often, yeah. What version do you have?

[prisma mantle]

0.5.14a, I think?

[full edge]

Ah, that's the latest. If you're on the Cryptid server, you'll probably want to let them know this bug exists. It's due to cards being improperly destroyed. Do you know what was destroying cards?

[prisma mantle]

Yes, I think this happened because of the D10 joker.

One of its random "cards of this suit have a chance to break" effects.

Sorry, the correct name for the joker is "Chocolate Die".

Can you link me the Cryptid server?

[full edge]

I'm not in it, sorry! I'll see if I can grab a link

https://discord.gg/eUf9Ur6RyB

[prisma mantle]

Posted there.

[wind turtle]

Did you save the file after you changed it?

[lofty glen]

does anyone know if when downloading imm if I need to do anything with the files or if I just download it will it work

also is there a big difference between imm and bmm if so which should I use

[rain orbit]

They have their own stuff going on but bmm has minor bugs so imm is just more desirable

[lofty glen]

ok thanks

[worn dagger]

Yep

I’ll try again tho

@wind turtle it shows this and yes you need the development version for polterworx to run

[wind turtle]

Did you remove the end?

[worn dagger]

nope, it works now.

Thank you!!!

[cloud willow]

[wanton rapids]

does it work?

[unkempt current]

Sine wave, solar system and clock

Wait a minute

No

This is the wrong channel

Took me this long to realize

Whatever enjoy this art technically it's in a mod

[cloud willow]

yep

took all day but all vanilla cards have been coded

[wanton rapids]

oh okay so it is hard coded

[cloud willow]

adding your own cards isn't too hard though

only had to add 14 lines to ena

[cloud willow]

it's also not completely hard coded

it takes into account any probability modifying thigns

like oops or rigged

[cloud willow]

hmmm what should I do now

i lowkey don't wanna art sooo

[frigid mica]

Play Balatro

[cloud willow]

no i wanna mod

i just don't know what to mod

[frigid mica]

A joker

[limber oak]

for balatro

[cloud willow]

idea had

[frigid mica]

Earn money equal to card ID 👀

[ornate bone]

so looking at my "sinister fountain" joker idea. It'd probably have the art be "a sinister looking bird bath full of a green glowing liquid in a dark dungeon with skeletons near the fountain and the word JOKER written on some of the bricks of the dungeon floor"

[cloud willow]

no just $1

[frigid mica]

This is a common joker?

[cloud willow]

yeah

[flat kiln]

how do i install jens almanac?

[trail berry]

what mod is this

[ember crow]

#⚙・modding-support but ik polterworx (jens almanac) has a server you can join

[frigid mica]

Did you guys hear?

It’s separating from Cryptid

[limpid lake]

good decision imo

[frigid mica]

What part of the balancing do people not like about Cryptid

Just wondering

I hear Tenebris lowk sucks ass because they just give +25 Joker Slots and $25

But I think it’s a rarity issue, it’s probably better if it was legendary or something idk

[balmy tangle]

low quality bait lmaoo

[plucky pond]

[frigid mica]

Hi jen

I think a lot of the balancing issues are most likely rarity issues

[balmy tangle]

n
no

[frigid mica]

Like Canvas should’ve been a legendary

[frigid mica]

No? Then what?

[balmy tangle]

im
im not going to engage in the bait lmao
simple enough to say that cryptid is intentionally unbalanced, and therefore the discussion of it's balance is not only invalid but completely nonsensical

[frigid mica]

Wdym bait?

[woven orchid]

balance and good design are different and cryptid could be good if it was well designed unbalance but unfortunately outsourcing your suggestions to dumb children makes your mod bad

[frigid mica]

I’m being deadass

[frigid mica]

Oh

So it’s less “All these jokers are too broken” and more “Why are you letting kids direct your mod”?

[woven orchid]

not necessarily kids but just

people with no sense of game design

[forest knoll]

cryptid is stuck straddling the line between Big Number balance and Vanilla-esque balance and it needs to pick a side. no matter what it picks, it will result in cuts and aggressive rebalancing, and it's just stagnated because no one wants to lose anything
i actually prefer polterworx over cryptid because polterworx knows what it's doing, it leans full tilt into Big Number balance

[balmy tangle]

y'all engaging with the

[frigid mica]

What bait oml

[forest knoll]

this is a thought I had earlier today before this conversation happened lol

[plucky pond]

i'm so lazy that i legit forgot what i was gonna say

[woven orchid]

brilliant

[balmy tangle]

so true

[forest knoll]

mood
good to see you again btw jen, hope pwx dev is fun for you again

[plucky pond]

[frigid mica]

Uh oh

You’re not safe

[woven orchid]

also agreed cryptid on its own is just so messy these days and atleast pwx is consistent

[frigid mica]

Even in the official Balatro discord

[woven orchid]

btw jen did you see the fusion ui i made it was a solid while ago but i may as well ask

[forest knoll]

sorry lol
most of the balatro spaces I'm in nowadays are more relaxed about reply pings, I'm out of practice

[frigid mica]

A mod even more broken than Cryptid has a consistent balance 🥀

[forest knoll]

power level should not be conflated with balance quality

[woven orchid]

truthing

[balmy tangle]

truke

[frigid mica]

I feel like I also try to level my own jokers too?

[woven orchid]

interesting word

[plucky pond]

yes i did, to be fair though money is going to completely be removed from fusion requirements in 0.1

[woven orchid]

oh interesting

[balmy tangle]

borrowed it from someone lol
(truth nuke)

[grand geode]

speak my name

[forest knoll]

it's more important that you have consistent balance than you limit the absolute power of the mod. if you want to make a strong mod with hyperoperations, lock in on that, don't be wishy washy about it

[forest knoll]

how mystical

[plucky pond]

i'll probably have to dabble in some UI tomfoolery though

[woven orchid]

i love ui

i’ve actually been having fun with making ui recently so that’s a good sign

[plucky pond]

so i've heard

[loud pulsar]

W or L?

[grand geode]

i'm neutral about ui

[forest knoll]

I have been enjoying UI recently too tbh
got frustrated trying to get a new game menu to pop up a while back but once I figured it out it was very satisfying

[woven orchid]

should state what prime numbers are for the uninitiated but i lik the idea

simple but not ineffective

[frigid mica]

Consistent balance, what makes it consistent?

[forest knoll]

a little silly, I like it
pretty good synergy with Fibonacci too

[plucky pond]

the main thing i need to do regarding UI is an upgrade tree

[loud pulsar]

yeah sure thats a good idea

[grand geode]

i'm advanced at it i think but deleting a node in the middle and having to indent everything manually because vsc would expand the tables

</3

[frigid mica]

Lunchly joker when

[loud pulsar]

1/4 chance to be mouldy

[frigid mica]

Mold 🤑

[latent snow]

honestly i wish i knew how lua worked, then i would go scorched earth on making a CRK x Balatro mod

[main path]

I'd like to say im fairly good at ui

[frigid mica]

Somebody made beast cookies into jokers

[latent snow]

That ain't enough
i want more

[main path]

but yeah ui can be frustrating if youre trying to do some weird funky stuff

or add to existing ui

[frigid mica]

Another mod has other cookies too

Like White Lily

[forest knoll]

just as long as one joker doesn't seem to totally outclass another in your mod, you'll probably be fine
(keep rarities in mind too, a Rare joker should probably outclass a Common joker anyway, because the Common joker is balanced by how easy it is to get)

[main path]

iirc UNIK's mod has a few CRK references

[frigid mica]

Yes

[balmy tangle]

3rd party cookies in balatro when 🧌

[frigid mica]

900n1’s Gamblepack has Beast Cookies, as mentioned

I did my part by adding crossmod joker

Silent Salt Cookie

[forest knoll]

coin flip on if it's already in toga's mod or not

[main path]

funnily enough i think thats the exact name of one of aiko's replicanti cards

[balmy tangle]

Also, rarer jokers tend to be more complex, and commons tend to be simpler

[latent snow]

i mean, i made a balatro fangame before i eventually lost motivation on the project due to other projects i became intrested in
it had some cookies, like Timekeeper and Mystic Flour (just those two are fully functional)

[frigid mica]

But I am doing the 8th legendary joker soon.

[balmy tangle]

which reminds me, i need to make flood joker uncommon

[frigid mica]

Is Doise balanced enough?
Grandiose Rarity, 1e100 XChips, 1 in 2 chance it switches to ^Chips.

[main path]

I'm still really proud of how I made this UI

[frigid mica]

As in Balanced Enough to be Grandiose

[reef tangle]

What would pom knees ability even be

[balmy lily]

i misread it as storm burger cookie

[frigid mica]

Suit Related, based on smeared, gives XChips and XMult based on suit

[normal hollow]

can u stylize it as JoyousSpring pls

why did i write it like that

[forest knoll]

I don't really have context for the rest of your mod or how hard it is to get a Grandiose joker, but if it's not obtainable in shop then you're probably fine

[fickle quarry]

Would an eternal flesh panopticon self destruct?

[frigid mica]

Dairy Queen Cookie 🔥

[latent snow]

Timekeeper would retrigger all played and held in hand cards
Mystic Flour would've gave Exponent Chips, and X mult depending on how many apathy cards (No Rank or Suit, X4 Mult, Destroyed after hand) were made WITHOUT using mystic flour (mystic flour would add 1 apathy card to the deck per round)
Frost Queen would freeze a shop item, keeping it there after you left and re-entered the shop

I can maybe come up with new Legendary (or smth idk) Cookie Jokers

[cloud willow]

had random idea

[balmy lily]

nah

[fickle quarry]

Soo??

[balmy lily]

you got a gateway printer now

[fickle quarry]

Js recycle through gateways?

[frigid mica]

Gateway-like Spectral card

[fickle quarry]

Oho

[frigid mica]

They’re not hidden but they’re hard to find, you have to get them naturally

[ornate bone]

I am not having that shit come out of my infinite vending machine. /srs

[latent snow]

Alr, here's some ideas

Pomegranate Cookie: "Pomegranate Cards" can now be made. Pomegranate Cards give X3 Mult, decreasing by X0.02 each time triggered. is destroyed when mult reaches X1.
Black Pearl Cookie: For each card played, cards have a 1 in 5 chance to be destroyed before they can be played. destroyed card's strength gets converted into XMult, using the same system as Raised Fist.

Believe me
if i knew how to mod in Lua, i would make a CRK x Balatro game straight up

[cloud willow]

another card done yay

[ornate bone]

How do I post a screenshot without spoiling a suprise?

[sweet viper]

I was finally able to download mods

[rain orbit]

Draw over it

[latent snow]

Since i probably won't start working on it again, does anyone want me to publish the fangame file (It's in sb3, you need turbowarp to open it)

[ornate bone]

here we go. Just hide the details outside of the filter by rarity.

[latent crescent]

is single-colored letter a part of regular DynaText or it's DynaTextEffect

[main path]

The letter bump and single letter coloring are done together in one custom DynaTextEffect

[latent crescent]

I see

Forbidden technology for me unfortunate

[main path]

All it took was some math involving cosines

[latent crescent]

I mean I cant rely on SMODs API because well, you know

[latent snow]

I had an entirely new consumable idea, math cards

[latent crescent]

So when I'm doing something UI related I have to either utilize vanilla or do everything myself

or copy-paste entire smods function for myself

anyway, cool stuff

color pallete is weird tho

toxic green or smth

[long hare]

decided to actually balance my mod
ended up deleting an entire consumable set

[latent crescent]

also when cards start materialize they want to juice up so hard

[main path]

Yeah i straight up just defined a function for my mod on the Card object that is an identical copy of Card:start_materialize, minus the juice_up call

I also had to do some funny stuff with starting the dissolve animation without destroying the card so I made another function that does that as well

[loud pulsar]

W synergy?

[toxic cloud]

how is Lucky Number a rare

[loud pulsar]

i mean wee is rare

[toxic cloud]

wee stacks chips

Lucky Number seems not to

[loud pulsar]

oh yeah youre right lemme rephrase that

imagine its wee

[toxic cloud]

uh

the card art is reddish

so I'd reimagine the effect like

played 7s permanently gain +7 Mult when scored

[loud pulsar]

oooooo like a hiker thank you i love that idea

[frigid mica]

I’m turning this into a joker

[toxic cloud]

bump the price to $7 too

[loud pulsar]

yes i love that

here we go

oh hey also jsut realised it synergises with this

wow i just love 7s

[neon orchid]

i spent so long trying to get this sleeve and its ass

the stack affect is so damn ass dude

[loud pulsar]

What mod is that

[neon orchid]

shenanigan's decks

[neon orchid]

or maybe im just mad at the deck itself

[loud pulsar]

I feel like it’d just make the small blind super easy and not change big or boss blind

Wait can it reduce to under the 5?

[neon orchid]

it has no lower limit

[loud pulsar]

Oh

[neon orchid]

you can theoretically die from having 0 handsize by just using the deck

so you basically have 0 discards at all times

[loud pulsar]

Good for baron mime ig

[rigid warren]

anyone know if its possible to have an overlay on a playing card like soul and legendary jokers 😛

as an enhancement or something

[toxic cloud]

definitely

[limpid lake]

you could do it with a draw step
idk how those work though

[toxic cloud]

actually it's a lot more complicated than just draw step

[limpid lake]

several draw steps?

[toxic cloud]

draw step + set_ability

you'll need to initialize a Sprite object as the card's child node using set_ability

furthermore, a patch to Card:set_ability to remove said Sprite on setting a non-floating-sprite enhancement to prevent memory leak

[rigid warren]

thats SO complicated yall im newgen

[woven orchid]

you know you can create and delete sprites within a drawstep
unless there’s some reason not to do that here

[toxic cloud]

huh

alr, makes sense

never thought of that really lmao

[woven orchid]

just check if it should have the sprite, delete if it shouldn’t and it does, add if it should and doesn’t, then render as normal

that’s what i did

[toxic cloud]

I kept forgetting that draw step is called every frame

[rigid warren]

if i say im using jokerforge and i didnt know i had to get my hands dirty

what then you guys

[forest knoll]

learn lua :3 it's not very hard i promise

[rigid warren]

i used to larp knowing lua yall #oldrobloxexploiter

[limpid lake]

lua is easy as languages go
that's kind of one of its main things

and there's a lot more you'll be able to do

[toxic cloud]

I see lua as javascript with friendlier syntax

the only thing that makes lua stand out in a weird way is that array index starts at 1 instead of 0

[limpid lake]

yeah idk what they were thinking with that one

or, well
it does make the #length feature pretty straightforward

[toxic cloud]

exactly

[rigid warren]

so im like looking at balatros actual stuff rn

i asked this in #⚙・modding-support

trying to make a legendary joker that adds an enhancement to cards, that count as every rank, and i want to do this by blurring the edges of a card and adding a soul like overlay to the card

how would i even go about making a wild card for ranks

bc wild cards look so stupid

theres no rules

[storm forum]

Quantum ranks ain't a thing yet, so that'd be a toughie.

[rigid warren]

fuck

bc like each instance that cares about a suit

checks for a wild too

wouldnt i have to go thru each rank search and include "changed" too

they're called changed cards

[toxic cloud]

the actual problem lies at Card:get_id

it's basically hardcoded in a way that makes checking for card rank extremely straightforward, but also extremely hard to expand

[rigid warren]

thumbs up reaction

[keen knoll]

and no continue

[toxic cloud]

yea, that too

kind of sucks in some way that you can't skip to next iteration normally in lua

[grave gazelle]

Does anyone know how I could make an enhancement where the card counts as any/all suits and any/all ranks?

[rigid warren]

@grave gazelle is the person helping me hes doing more coding than i am im doing sprite bs

also

[rigid warren]

shut up ive been asking that

[toxic cloud]

[forest knoll]

tldr the way the game checks for suits is Card:is_suit("Suit"), which returns true if the card counts as Suit and false if it doesn't. this allows stuff to modify when cards count as suits
with the rank, it's just Card:get_id(), which returns a number that represents the rank. you can't make that return more than one number at a time

[grave gazelle]

oh my bad my discord is tweaking

[forest knoll]

for the suit part, check VanillaRemade for how the Wild enhancement is implemented
for the rank part, you've been chewed out about that already lol

[toxic cloud]

Card:is_rank is included in Quantum Rank API, except it's already kind of stale

[rigid warren]

so like i might not understand it, couldnt i make a rank 14, then include it in all instances of a rank check?

idk if thats my same question but rephrased

ik it will be dumb with other ranks but i wanna get this shit off the floor 😭

[round ore]

does anyone know how to fix cryptid crashing?

like I play 5-10min a run then the game crashes

every run happen the same thing

even if I log back in the game it crashes again

It just stop crashing when I start another run

[limpid lake]

rank 14 is ace

also no you'd basically have to recode everything that checks rank

i think maybe you could do it with metatables?

[rigid warren]

what i planned on doing

[limpid lake]

well sure, that'd work with everything you actively coded, and then break on anything else

any other mod

[normal hollow]

are we quantum ranking

[rigid warren]

trying yeah

[normal hollow]

why

[rigid warren]

trying to copy mindcap mod's homework rn but they called it infinity card, then overclocked, and now nothing idk

[normal hollow]

love yourself

[rigid warren]

ion even use lua b4

[round ore]

Am i muted?

[rigid warren]

also is this a frequend occurence wth

"are we quantum ranking" im crying

[limpid lake]

there's been a quantum ranks draft pr in smods for ages

it's a popularly desired feature

[round ore]

😭

[rigid warren]

man i thought i was SO fucking creative

[normal hollow]

yes

[normal hollow]

no

[granite forum]

no

[granite forum]

uninstall cryptid

[rigid warren]

@round ore wow ass

[normal hollow]

#⚙・modding-support share log

[limpid lake]

crash log
"it crashed" explains nothing
also consider asking the cryptid thread in #1209506514763522108 for more targeted assistance

[round ore]

then reinstall?

[granite forum]

uninstalling cryptid solves 2 problems

1. You don't have to play cryptid
2. no crashes

No

no reinstall

[limpid lake]

ignore George, he's opinionated

[granite forum]

that implies installing cryptid

[granite forum]

opiniongooning actually

[limpid lake]

you can be two adjectives

[rigid warren]

sobbing crying emoji reaction praying hands emoji reaction

[novel heron]

hey george

does your mod add a new area for consumables or does it use the usual one?

whatever i'll just try it cuz it looks nice

[granite forum]

which one

chimes?

[novel heron]

yes

[granite forum]

no it's just a new consumable set

[novel heron]

okay nice

[granite forum]

honestly not too proud of it

which is why i've begun work on bundles of fun

more interesting concept

[novel heron]

the consumables look nice and unique though

[granite forum]

unique no

look nice is iffy too

[novel heron]

dont talk yourself down

[granite forum]

well

[novel heron]

you did something great and other people enjoy it, me probably included

[granite forum]

as i get better at art i can look back and be like

man

that is dogshit

[novel heron]

i get that but thats a positive thing

shows you how much you learned

[granite forum]

yeah

[novel heron]

and you can look at older stuff in a vintage kind of way

[granite forum]

i'm much more invested in this though

wait sry that's huge

mb for clogging chat lol

[novel heron]

huge in size but also huge in like huge

i'll check it out

[granite forum]

very indev

only first bundle has been released

[novel heron]

awesome

i like the shrimp

[woven orchid]

no way its the fork person

hi

[novel heron]

lmao hello

[woven orchid]

3 pronged forks...

[toxic cloud]

darn

[exotic belfry]

can we get a fork with prongs equal to the amount of strmnn forks

[novel heron]

gosh darn it

[granite forum]

womp womp shrimp is being scrapped 😭

don't like his concept

[toxic cloud]

onek when

[granite forum]

replacing him with a leek

[novel heron]

nooooooooooooo i will fork it and keep it forever 😈

[granite forum]

i mean idc

you do you

it's just unfun

[novel heron]

jk

[granite forum]

mr bones rippoff

[novel heron]

i just like the art i have no idea what it does yet

[granite forum]

🔪

[granite forum]

decaying mr bones

pretty much

durian and dragonfruit are my favorites

gameplay wise

durian is just a run blessing in any situation

and dragonfruit is too

[novel heron]

meh durian seems like something i'd just ignore unless in a very specific scenario

[granite forum]

????

[novel heron]

like i need an empty slot and enough consumable slots for this to be worth it i guess

[granite forum]

two free fools

i take it whenever i see it unless my build is airtight

like amazing early

[novel heron]

but i also play balatro very differently to most, at least thats what i found out last time i was active here xD

yeah yeah sure, early its nice

but i wouldn't sell a mid joker for it is what i mean

dragonfruit on the other hand

seems like my jam

[rigid warren]

"are we quantum ranking" dpmo

[toxic cloud]

best Sagatro feature trust

[lyric summit]

Had to think really hard about it, but I think this is pretty good. Thoughts?

[timid arch]

unconditional xmult on a common 🤔

[quartz socket]

noooo

[granite forum]

no not you

[ornate bone]

I have an evil idea

Brb

[hoary meteor]

Guess what rarity the only unconditional xmult in vanilla is

[storm forum]

-# Technically conditional because it depends on an another Joker-

[ember flicker]

why do you have a big overlay on the art

is this a thumbnail

[hoary meteor]

If you wish to play like that then there are no unconditional jokers because for jimbo you need to play a hand and for cartomancer you need to start a round and for golden joker you need to end a round

[timid arch]

Uncommon (its ramen)

[ember flicker]

GarfWOWZERS

[ember crow]

its condition is requiring the mod to be installed

[timid arch]

it is still in practice unconditional since the condition is always being met unless you tamper with the mod files

[hoary meteor]

requires you to see it in shop

the only unconditional xmult joker is actually called Cheat Engine.exe

[ember crow]

and cavendish has the condition of not hitting the 1 in 1000 chance to break

[lyric summit]

If you tampered with the mod files to the point the effect couldn’t take place, you wouldn’t even have the modded joker there cause it’s not installed.

[ember flicker]

does it even check if the mod is there in the code at all or is this a defacto unconditionnal

[granite forum]

i bet defacto

[timid arch]

oh yea cavendish is also unconditional forgot about that

[granite forum]

ok but there is a condition to get cavendish

[timid arch]

by "unconditional" I mean "by having this joker you will get the effect without having to do anything special"

[ember crow]

no its not, the condition is hitting a 999 in 1000 chance and breaking gross michael

[timid arch]

fair enough

by this rationale my original answer is still correct

[ember crow]

and with oops all 6s its only a 998 in 1000 chance

[ember flicker]

well no the only condition would be breaking gros michel

[timid arch]

499 in 500 also

[ember flicker]

you still get the xmult even if it breaks after

im sure

[lyric summit]

if the file for the joker itself exists, then it works. because it’s flat xmult that i worded in an attempt to sound like it does anything more than that.

[ember crow]

no you dont? that would basically be 1 in 1000 chance to apply negative

[ember flicker]

wdym apply negative

cavendish doesnt make negative cards i'm sure

[ember crow]

cuz if theres still x3 mult after its destroyed it means it doesnt take up space so its basically negative

just no temperance procs

[ember flicker]

no i mean it gets destroyed after giving the xmult

the condition is on the destruction not the xmult

by any means xmults are conditionnal because they check for a context before applying lolm

[ember crow]

OHHHHH u forgot about that

[limpid lake]

all xmult is conditional on not feeding the joker to madness or dagger first

[lyric summit]

Well, it’s a single x1.5. kinda the xmult equivalent of a basic joker.

[ember flicker]

yeah no, i checked vanilla remade and assuming its 100%

the xmult is unconditional as it only checks for the joker_main context

the destruction is on the end of round context

[ember crow]

ohhh yea i completely forgot about that, its also conditional on not crashing ur game before u play ur hand

[ember flicker]

its also conditional on not crashing ur pc before u launch the game

[timid arch]

every joker is conditional on localthunk being born

[ember flicker]

literally

[limpid lake]

it's also conditional on not randomly pressing alt+f4 for no reason before the joker goes off

[lyric summit]

Is Jimbo conditional +mult because you need to obtain him before he does anything

[limpid lake]

yes

[ember flicker]

yes

[ember crow]

and jimbo is actually quite rare for a common unless ur on the tutorial seed

ive seen way more rebates and chads

[timid arch]

he has the same chance of appearing as every other common

[granite forum]

yeah

[granite forum]

are you on crack

[lyric summit]

Thank you I will take this as an absolute fact for balancing purposes going forward

[granite forum]

statistically you will see more of some joker than other jokers

[timid arch]

in fact he is more likely to appear since he is the default joker and will appear if there is no other available joker

[ember crow]

ive just never seen him in a shop

[granite forum]

how

play more balatro

maybe you just never remember because you don't take him

[lyric summit]

Just get every other joker (besides showman)

[ember crow]

well ig i have only done like 600h

[granite forum]

HOW

you HAVE seen jimbo i'm 100% sure

you just don't care and forget

[ember crow]

only when playing modded

[granite forum]

also how do you have 600h and no c++

[granite forum]

what you play cryptid so shop is flooded

play with a hundred mods

smh

[timid arch]

playtime is not indicative of completionism

[granite forum]

ik but like

at least c++ progress

[ember crow]

fr, i still have yet to beat orange stake on plasma

ig some of that time is me leaving the game open overnight

[granite forum]

i feel like once you get C then you can play modded

morally

[ornate bone]

price is not final

[ember crow]

at least they saved $5 ig

[granite forum]

#4f6367

[ember crow]

i think making it a legendary that only appears thru the soul would work

[lyric summit]

I’ll be completely honest I’ve played like atleast a solid 100-150 hours and I haven’t even got to gold stake yet i because I still just kinda suck at strategically thinking about everything. I like the game a lot though so I just keep playing even if I’m not doing anything right. Probably a few people like that.

[winged prism]

Be so for real dawg, you ain't getting c++ unless you're specifically trying to do that

[ember crow]

fr, like ive even watched drspectred videos and now im ok at the game, but not good enough to get above 0 mmr in bmp

[limpid lake]

nobody's got a sticker on diet soda unless they actively played for it

[ornate bone]

done lol

I'm not revealing what it does.

[stark hare]

why? 😭

[granite forum]

huh

[ornate bone]

you'll have to wait till what it's a part of is ready for launching.

[granite forum]

well i just thought if you play a lot of balatro you start doing that

[lyric summit]

Why is it I’m only good at recognizing the best strategy when I’m not playing and it’s somebody else that makes a bad choice 😔

[ember crow]

first, i need go get past blue stake on non plasma and orange stake on plasma

[granite forum]

morally

[granite forum]

yeah plasma is rough

[winged prism]

I think people in #⚙・modding-general are more invested in modding than being completionists

[granite forum]

hmmm

maybe

[ember crow]

rough? its the easiest deck in the game

[stark hare]

tbh I don’t give a fuck about going c++

[tranquil vessel]

I mean, not discovering all the vanilla items and already starting w/ mods is kinda crazy no?

[granite forum]

for gold stake it is on my top 3 hardest

white stake it is my second favorite

[ember crow]

its basically ^2 to ur score i would think its ez

[granite forum]

basically it is

basically it's also booty at gold stake

[winged prism]

That's kinda true but like, I meant stuff like c+ and c++

[granite forum]

with x2 blind size score gets rough

[ember crow]

eh i just have a seperate profile for main and modded, also those qol mods are required if im ever playing the game

[ember crow]

eh

[ornate bone]

has any mod made the smods sepia edition usable?

[stark hare]

I discovered everything on my mobile save after I started playing mods on my pc save

[granite forum]

tbf i never unlock ouija on new profiles because it's so bad

[ember crow]

i think maybe polterworx did, but im not sure

[granite forum]

just sitting undiscovered

[lyric summit]

I’m occasionally a mod completionist because when there’s some cards with small cracks in the balance I can destroy everything but the base game is just too consistent for me to exploit an afterthought synergy

[granite forum]

i usually get soul before ouija

[ember crow]

fr, -1 hand size is not worth it

[granite forum]

YES
You also are not getting flat ^2 score
when your score is high enough it functions as such but it still does very little if score is relatively balanced already

[tranquil vessel]

Yeah, exactly. I do expect almost all players to atleast have Completionist before starting modding

or like... close to it (Illusion my behated)

[storm forum]

[ember crow]

trueee

but a flush on ante 1 beats the blind on plasma

[granite forum]

illusion is fine
planet merchant is where i draw the line

[granite forum]

early easy
late hard
like you have to score 600,000 for finisher

[ember crow]

nah planet merchant is acc quite good cuz planet cards are good

[manic summit]

best voucher

[ember crow]

at that point, u either have lots of +chips jokers or lots of XMult

[ember crow]

now tarot merchant on the other hand...

[ornate bone]

I'll do my own take on Sepia

[winged prism]

Give me a shop with extra planets

And hold the Jokers

[granite forum]

hold the jokers?

[normal hollow]

uhhh

i did gold stake checkered

[winged prism]

Sometimes I feel like going for c+ at least but then I just. Don't feel like playing vanilla at all

So I just don't do that

[tranquil vessel]

That says nothing about whether you did Completionist though haha. You can complete C, C+, and C++ in any order

[normal hollow]

oh i forgot completionist was a different thing

yeah i would agree then

[rain orbit]

Peasant is spelled wrong

[winged prism]

C+ is possible without C and C++ is possible without C or C+
Very wiseful

SpathodeaWisdom

[wispy canopy]

do we like this guy

I have couple more I wanna show I'll just do them one at a time

[normal hollow]

i wonder if there are runs that are easier with less stuff unlocked

[tranquil vessel]

I like him, but he's kinda easy, whatever that means

[wispy canopy]

It means hes kinda easy to program

[frigid mica]

I forgot how dead cells works

[robust urchin]

does the mult reset when new round?

because it says discard used this round

[wispy canopy]

yeah

[robust urchin]

ok then yeah its good

[rigid warren]

cagne turns 1st discarded card into a changed card, change enhanced cards count as all ranks and trigger all rank based effects
knwo all vouchers include their 2nd teirs
solid when sold, up to 5 selected cards will always be draw 1st
happie retriggers all jokers once, locked to right side of jokers
viole increases chances of finding higher rarity jokers, (sacred orb style, commons have a 50% to be rerolled into uncommon, uncommon 25% rare, rare 1% legendary, (can happen all in same card))

NONE of these are blueprintable

scroll up i know quantum cards are not possible so yall dont need to yell at me 😔

10$ to whoever can guess what game this is referencing

[tranquil vessel]

Might be nice to think about a slightly different way to phrase it. I had the same question, and also assumed it would reset at end of round, but would be good if it's said slightly more explicitly

[granite forum]

why is happie uncopyable

[rigid warren]

orobouros

[granite forum]

wha

[rigid warren]

itd just retrigger the blueprint again

[granite forum]

ok?

[rigid warren]

word

[granite forum]

same would having 2 copies

[rigid warren]

ez naninf lowk

idk if showman/ankh have donts but

that'd be one of them

coding idiot btw <

[granite forum]

no they don't

[ember flicker]

goobert

[granite forum]

judgement does

[rigid warren]

if theres 2 id js make it force reroll into a different legendary

[granite forum]

or just design it differently

i feel like a retrigger is already too good

it's like blueprint but better on every joker

and blueprint is already high rare

so this sits more at cryptid exotic

[rigid warren]

cough

canvas

cough

[granite forum]

ok

unbalanced mod unbalanced

shocker

[rigid warren]

i mean yeah but like

who gaf

[toxic cloud]

retrigger all jokers once is already a high legendary

[rigid warren]

js forcing it to be undupable would balance it

[granite forum]

no

it's still unbalanced lol

[toxic cloud]

I have the same food joker in Obscure (Cryptid Epic) but only lasts 10 rounds

[granite forum]

the philosophy behind cryptid epic is that it can be more powerful than legendaries but it is niche and fits into only some builds

[rigid warren]

seltsering it would be so annoyinh

[granite forum]

so make a different idea

this is better than legendary and is the best joker in every scenario

[rigid warren]

death certificate from isaac or that one code spectral card from crypted

when sold

open collection and press 3 lol

[granite forum]

see that is just

also not great

because it practically is every other joker

there really is no situation where that is worse

[rigid warren]

that was the only other thing we had lowk

[granite forum]

just have an original idea idfk

legendaries are hard to make

because their design strongly encourages them to be good for most builds

[rigid warren]

are all the other ideas fine tho

[granite forum]

uh

the voucher one is

[rigid warren]

just a rip of cryp i know

100%

[granite forum]

viole is fine

cagne is uncodeable and frankly is still not that good

[rigid warren]

bruh i know i literally said thatttttt

[granite forum]

ik it's uncodeable

but all ranks isn't even that good

because you sacrifice enhancement

and only 1 per round

and creating custom enhancements for jokers is not great ever

[rigid warren]

would making it both quantum and chaos be too good or

we also said we could just rip canvas cards and buff them but

we got like no buff ideas

also the wording of happie leaves room for misinterpretation, aleckzander means its as if all your jokers have red seals, not pushing ur procks back to the leftmost

[rigid warren]

not joeking yall

[ember flicker]

cuphead

[rigid warren]

❌

[ember flicker]

niche roblox game that no one played

[rigid warren]

bro please

its not some bs

😭

[ember flicker]

ngl it probably is

i have like 0 result for the characters other than cagne

[rigid warren]

game's discord has 564 boosts

[novel heron]

tell us now

[ember flicker]

ok

how come i find no fan art

[rigid warren]

bc

the words are jumbled up callbacks to elements of the game

and the scrabled up words are just

regular words

cagne is just change without the h

[rigid warren]

no bc then id have to give myself 10$ and idk how to do that

[novel heron]

yo guys i invented a new language to make references to a niche game
guess the game

[ember flicker]

zzzzz

[rigid warren]

easiest 10$ ever

[ember flicker]

is it

reads notes

[rigid warren]

no bc like

[ember flicker]

Binding of Isaac: Rebirth?

[rigid warren]

u gotta know

[rigid warren]

no but i stole like 3 ideas from isaac when coming up for the things the jokers do

its not in my games tab sneaky sneaky

[rain orbit]

[novel heron]

you still not gonna beat this mod for most niche balatro mod by a looong shot: https://github.com/cloverpepsi/TheLibrary

[rigid warren]

no im not bc the game is niche but has hundreds of millions of players

[ember flicker]

it probably is a roblox game

[novel heron]

wtf is you discord bio 😭

[rigid warren]

i was gonna do something along the lines of score requirement reduction for happie but i got told by team thats just score with extra steps

[rigid warren]

its not i swear

[ember flicker]

we are labubu we skibidi the 67

[novel heron]

is the smallpox in your name a mod or are you just ill?

[ember flicker]

both

[rigid warren]

wrd

(wearedevs)

[rain orbit]

My stuff has a system
+mult becomes -chips, but that's bad so I made it useful by taking away score requirement as it's measured in chips

[rigid warren]

woah holy unique

never even heard of some shit like that

[ember flicker]

we are skids 😭

[rain orbit]

I don't have anything good for -mult though, so I just pair it with Xmult too

[rigid warren]

something something buzzword Xchips is dumb

[ember flicker]

coming from quantum rank guy

[rigid warren]

don't read my message history

[novel heron]

xBalls

[rigid warren]

and judging by the reaction this is common

[ember flicker]

wdym bro you arrived today

[rigid warren]

yeah

[ember flicker]

there is no history to begin with 😭

[rigid warren]

yeah dont look at my messages

js like

[novel heron]

did anyone in any mod make references to cloverpit and/or ballxpit yet?

[rigid warren]

block me dont perceive me

❌❌❌❌

[ember flicker]

?????

[rigid warren]

😶‍🌫️

[rain orbit]

No it's just that there's nothing else measured in mult except for mult itself

Chips are used to measure the chips that are multiplied and the score

Mult is just used to measure mult

[rigid warren]

something something buzzword plasma deck

[rain orbit]

What

[rigid warren]

xchips is dumb except for plasma deck bc you approach a square

[novel heron]

stop somethinging

[ember flicker]

xchips is fine

[rigid warren]

xchips is xmult

[novel heron]

ur mom

[ember flicker]

no

[rain orbit]

[ember flicker]

(o)-(o)

[novel heron]

(.)(.)!=ah whatever

[rigid warren]

so fighting just responging what to claim ignorance

[ember flicker]

what

[rigid warren]

what

[rigid warren]

ewwww

[ember flicker]

hate agaisnt nerds

(u)-(u)

[rigid warren]

what do yall think of the jokers

[novel heron]

in general?

[rigid warren]

i know cagne is uncodable and bad but shut up

yeah

[novel heron]

i definitely had something similar to knwo months ago - maybe even a joker - so not unique but fun definitely

[wind turtle]

No, it is possible to code.

[rigid warren]

dont give me hope bruh

[novel heron]

solid - how do you envision that? like, does the joker open the deck view? or do you need to select cards currently in hand? because then it might not really be legendary, idk

[rigid warren]

needs to be in hand

wait for it like u would any tarot card

[novel heron]

happie - what does the locked to the right side thing do? am i dumb?

[ember flicker]

for solid u should probably use a sticker

[novel heron]

viole is nice yeah

[rigid warren]

lowk aftermath of the wording battle me and team had

[novel heron]

whattttt

anyways

[ember flicker]

good night str

[rigid warren]

buenas noches

feli drop some shit

critique them

[rigid warren]

i was thinking a green burnt corner of the card

[rigid warren]

bro said this shit and dipped 😭

[ember flicker]

i dont have any critiques because i dont jnow the game ur refering to

[rigid warren]

oh the functions have little to nothing to do with the game

the vibe of the functions is like

kindaaaaaa adjacent to what they're referencing

but no im saying talk shit about their functions

obv happie is something happy so its gotta be some bullshit

[ember flicker]

outside of the joker retriggering i have no issues as those things have already been done

[rigid warren]

i can not find a viole adjacent

i tried distancing some of them and viole as far as i can tell is

[ember flicker]

i believe a card fucking with weights exists

[rigid warren]

oh idk the keywords to use so ur probably right

i meant in the way that its a focus on rerolling jokers into higher rarities with the chance to happen more than once

[ember flicker]

what

what do you mean by reroll

[rigid warren]

sorry i play isaac a lot

increase rarity

the proc would be visual it wouldnt be like showman where its just after a shop refresh

[ember flicker]

ok

[rigid warren]

😒

bro does NOT think thats cool

[ember flicker]

bro wants me to spam emojis in every message

Uwaaaaa!! this is so cool! ✨ ❤️

zz

[rigid warren]

no 🙂‍↔️ thats 😭 not 🚫 what ‼️ i 🙏 want 😓 you 🫵 2 ✌️ do👆

[ember flicker]

ok

[rigid warren]

undertale

🤤

[woven orchid]

ughh.. i swear there were five finisher blinds but i just.. i can't remember the last one

[ember flicker]

forgotten blinds????

aikoshen ???

[rigid warren]

is that doing this

[woven orchid]

i made that video so yeah

this is my shader code applied in that vid, he just added the sound to it

[amber river]

gargantuan juan

[ember flicker]

funny ur popping up when i have my eyes on ur deathcard

[woven orchid]

my adorable adorable card

its so good

[ember flicker]

have u seen nxkoo

[rigid warren]

67

[wind token]

oh thats cool

[woven orchid]

who is he?

[ember flicker]

is that me

i have added tribe pools

ur feline lily

[strong obsidian]

Bird synergies are going to be a thing now I bet.

[ember flicker]

for now i only have magpie as an avian

But i'm planning to add the Totem

in order to boost the tribes

[worn rain]

hey gang

[ember flicker]

hello ed

[worn rain]

my tummy hurts

[ember flicker]

the what

[rain orbit]

The uh

Uh

UH

idk

[ember flicker]

bizarro chin

[rain orbit]

Ts took like 2 hours to make btw

[worn rain]

my surgery was a success

[ember flicker]

you should give the score requirement stuff another color

[worn rain]

as can likely be picked up by how I am not dead

[ember flicker]

so that u can implement joker display support later

[rain orbit]

I put score requirement as blue since score is measured in chips

[worn rain]

go for green cuz Glop or something

[rain orbit]

[ember flicker]

this reminds me i have to change the colors actually, since i switched from act 3 design to act 1

[rain orbit]

What

[ember flicker]

inscryption card titles inherit the card colors

as for the pelt cards too

and i will probably do the same for sigils

[woven orchid]

mee

[hard plank]

hi

[unkempt current]

My mod