⚙・modding-general

[celest valve]

NO THAT WAS MY CARDDDD

HE ATE MY CARD!

[keen knoll]

-# my mods not THAT popular lol

[winged prism]

Degeneracy mod moment

[flint folio]

hey guys
what would your reccomendation for a modding tutorial be
or should I just learn Love 2d in general

[strong obsidian]

I know.

[flint folio]

is there like a youtube series or documentation?

[blissful stag]

Playing balatro during a test what the fuck was past me doing

[flint folio]

obelisk tells me enough

[stable juniper]

this is such a cool negative......

[winged prism]

Was obelisk used or is it there just for that +10

[amber river]

whats the they/them

[winged prism]

Pronouns

[amber river]

for the joker?

[winged prism]

Yes

I assume it's that one mod that gives every joker pronounces for the funnies

[amber river]

i see

[stable juniper]

JokerPronouns

[formal orchid]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1414106464615665786

the api

[flat condor]

is it normal to have 2 Lovely running at the same time?

[ember flicker]

thats because u restarted

[azure dagger]

Sans, how did you get 2 LOVELY installs running at the same time?

[ember flicker]

alt + f5

or "R" in error

[flat condor]

I have no no idea

[flat condor]

You sure that's not gonna cause me to loose my pc?

[ember flicker]

loose your pc?

no

since u already have 2 lovely tabs

lol

[flat condor]

so just Alt + f5

should I close the game?

[ember flicker]

yeah that restarts balatro

yeah

[winged prism]

Loose my PC 😭😭

[ember flicker]

closing the game gets rid of the lovely tabs

[flat condor]

well it closed the game and restarted it

[azure dagger]

So I need some feedback on this challenge:

Should I remove some rules to ease the challenge or keep it as it is?

[winged prism]

Goblins come to your place of you use Alt + F5!!! They steal your PC!!!!!!

[flat condor]

you fall for alt F4 once you become skeptic to every command containing a F

well it restarted it

but there are still 2 lovely running

[ember flicker]

except alt f4 doesnt kill your pc

at worst it just turns it off

[azure dagger]

Would you happen to have 2 LOVELY folders?

[ember flicker]

oh ok

[umbral pilot]

@plush hound is this fixed on 0.9.0 I cant remember

what

ok nxkoo is that fixed

[umbral pilot]

@exotic shadow

[exotic shadow]

the 2 console is a side efect of how it restarts. With 0.9.0 it can be fixed but I need to make it still

[ember flicker]

ok now enabled/disabled color changes

[azure dagger]

-#

[frigid mica]

I should make atleast 5 dreamy jokers today.

As in this week

[plush hound]

it is fixed

[blissful stag]

FINALLY A PIVOT POINT?

The image wont send

[balmy lily]

THE WORLD!

[blissful stag]

Now i look like a schizo

[undone surge]

A good Concept for the trap bear could be that First Boss Blind effect is debuffed

[ember flicker]

thats not what it does

[winged prism]

Those are pelt related

[ember flicker]

its related to pelts

the bear trap makes u able to have pelts in your hand

[undone surge]

?

[ember flicker]

the pelt market makes u able to "trade" them

[blissful stag]

Do i be funny and do photograph or do the family for invis

[winged prism]

Pelts. There's a screenshot of a pelt a couple messages above us

[frigid mica]

Wait

[undone surge]

aigh

[frigid mica]

Lovely 0.9.0 is out now?

[void dock]

Hii

[balmy lily]

yep

[umbral pilot]

y

es

[ember flicker]

aiko's world's end voucher is fucking the pairing

[undone surge]

i felt pretty bad tbh

[balmy lily]

as in chunithm?

[ember flicker]

no as in world's end

[frigid mica]

Ok well I hope this doesn’t fuck up the other mods I already have.

[ember flicker]

itss alone

wait no

the culprit was toga

[woven orchid]

CardPronouns.......

[balmy lily]

another reason for me to boycott the mod

[woven orchid]

not just for jokers......... rage

[balmy lily]

WHY SO RARE

[undone surge]

prob imma make a bubble spech from ts

[frigid mica]

WHY IS ENTROPY THE FIRST MOD LISTED IN THE “YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO TRY THESE MODS” LOST

[void dock]

[ember flicker]

because they make u able to choose over 10 jokers

[storm forum]

The 1 in 500 is per individual card in the pack, too.

[woven orchid]

hey ali

[storm forum]

👋 hallu.

[balmy lily]

careful now.. freaky jimbo might be lurking

[woven orchid]

you should totally use screenshader to make balatro use 16 colours like win xp

[balmy lily]

wait what do you mea-

[ember flicker]

ali are u gonna put a tier 2 voucher for that guy

[woven orchid]

im just shilling my PR sorry

[frigid mica]

oh yeah, do i install from the OS/Download thing?

[storm forum]

XP is 16-bit color usually... 256 colors at least, but rarely 16 colors unless you fuck up the display driver.

[frigid mica]

Or do I install from the assets

[woven orchid]

oh yeah 16 bit oops

but yea you understand what i mean generally

[storm forum]

I'll also be blunt that I know heck all for shaders, but the idea is still need, even if not new, per se.

[balmy lily]

the demon king STRANGLED my jokers 😭

[balmy lily]

throwing another meme at the window

[fathom gust]

that fucking bird that i hate

[storm forum]

But yeah, I got what you meant-

[dire meadow]

tf

[frigid mica]

Can you poay balato on xp or vista

[ember flicker]

oh my fucking god it works

[violet venture]

bruh

[balmy lily]

i almost thought that was sigmund freud 😭

[storm forum]

The catch is that you need OneCoreAPI for this on XP, not sure about Vista.

[violet venture]

bless

[ember flicker]

oh my god

[void dock]

XD

[ember flicker]

lmaooo ride the bus just instantly fucking died after giving 1 mult

[flat condor]

also I gotta find some good card arts

[fathom gust]

yatta and gourdy is kill

(actually, this time.)

[undone surge]

son💔

[woven orchid]

why are we killing yatta

i love her

[fathom gust]

while i do love the pinata for being the candy freak
candy implementation is hell

[winged prism]

Multi-route Cavendish that has four ending Jokers

Yeah

[woven orchid]

methinks just implement it better....

sorry that sounds condescending but like

[fathom gust]

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[woven orchid]

i love yatta please

[fathom gust]

actually

gourdy is kill

i'll just do spectrals instead of candies for now...

[woven orchid]

good enough

i heart yatta

i have a whole folder on my computer with art of her

[ember flicker]

so many bifurcated strikes

wait

it has both

[fathom gust]

"#1 yatta freakout"

[woven orchid]

what

[winged prism]

Why does trifurcated tooltip calls it bifurcated❗

[ember flicker]

woops copy paste moment

[fathom gust]

nvm

[cold rose]

I'm so eepy i made this

becaus im so eepy

[dire meadow]

why are your suits so big

[ember flicker]

im blind

[woven orchid]

do you guys think i should make a popup when you play my mod for the first time that says its not intended for play with other content mods and may be more unstable than the average mod

[umbral pilot]

very fair

[woven orchid]

-# there are a few patches which are invasive by nature and could rarely cause issues with other mods

[winged prism]

I wonder if I should keep Jokers final values for the next one... Then again, I only have a concept for the first one lol

[normal hollow]

i will make a popup telling people to check the damn settings

[woven orchid]

REAL

actually

[ember flicker]

ok so the pelts work

[woven orchid]

i should include that in my popup because my screenshader vfx might be a bit excessive in some people's minds

theyre not actively flashy but i dont know if some people would appreciate it

[ember flicker]

and it did not score yipee

and the discard gave money

[flat condor]

so for these anyone know where I can get some better face cards?

[winged prism]

Somewhere in #1209506514763522108

I like Bocchi the Rock deck skin...

[long hare]

i like the slay the princess deck skin

[flat condor]

https://youtu.be/Uk3OgabKC6I?si=HfOb7xJXxZ8c_-n4

found this as well

I could at least do something with this

[amber river]

i was pinged

[long hare]

too bad discord's ping system sucks and you'll never find where you were pinged

[amber river]

i did it was revo

but u right u right

quoting markiplier

[fathom gust]

HUH???

[long hare]

wah, i never can find where i was pinged if there is a giant backlog

[long hare]

use amulet

[fathom gust]

?? 😭

[long hare]

ah

[fathom gust]

i murdered talisman a while ago

[long hare]

oh right amulet uses "talisman" in its code in order for compat to work

[fathom gust]

i think i know why i was getting the crash now

yeah

5 hands and then it said "fuck you"

[azure dagger]

SMODS.JokerQuip was the best added feature.

[azure dagger]

where is this at

[ember flicker]

epic win

[ember flicker]

the foxy jumpscare being in there when aikoshen and togastuff aren't is a tragedy

[fathom gust]

the newest lovely release

[azure dagger]

@exotic shadow Hey, I think there's an issue with your thing

[ember flicker]

lol

[azure dagger]

And by issue, I mean a download from your site is making a sandbox go ballistic.

[exotic shadow]

it's a false positibe. The invalid signature is becasue it's using the website to sign it. The code is all open source if you want to take a look

[ember flicker]

ok i fixed the pelts

[umbral pilot]

oooh 100/100 threat score

that's gotta be a record

[fathom gust]

i think these are epic/legendary blinds

might be wrong

[long hare]

why are there 3 small blinds and 2 big blinds

[fathom gust]

probably trying to cycle through an atlas

i dunno i didn't make this

[blissful stag]

What do you guys use for animated sprites

[long hare]

10000 sprites on the atlas i believe

[winged prism]

Weren't animated atlases added to smods at some point

Idk I never touched the thing

[blissful stag]

No i meant ljke what app

[winged prism]

A

[long hare]

i use piskel

its great for creating both static and animated sprites

[winged prism]

What app premium

[neon urchin]

@plush hound big exam for me coming tmr, gnna make or break me!

[long hare]

oh i already had my big exam. im getting ~80 i believe

[balmy lily]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9QHshnjVw8

[neon urchin]

🥺

the exam im gnna take is a government exam for a certification. so far the people i know who took it had a hard time, 2/5th of the guys failed!!

gnna make or break me

(it takes 400 bucks to schedule the exam)

[ember flicker]

they are, and even are required for blinds

[stark hare]

all the legendaries made today

[fathom gust]

ui hell here i go

[stark hare]

this gives me an idea for joke

[flat condor]

Can I play one round of balatro

without the game crashing

[granite forum]

what mod

[flat condor]

cryptid

[granite forum]

bet my life on cryptid

[flat condor]

wait let me see

[granite forum]

ah

lol

[flat condor]

you bet right lmao

[granite forum]

real easy fix

[flat condor]

I have this shit set on mid like the least crashy

and it still crashes

[granite forum]

uninstall cryptid

[flat condor]

👍

[granite forum]

play my mod

[flat condor]

I got some other shit to uninstall

[flat condor]

hit me with the name

[granite forum]

chimes

[flat condor]

Chime?

[granite forum]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1398831011340615680

[flat condor]

Just asking but

[granite forum]

kratos verde

[flat condor]

Do some people pay others to make custom cards for them?

like the face cards/

[granite forum]

i think so?

[flat condor]

I just wanna figure out if I can first

[granite forum]

not too many people i have seen doing commisions

i mean i have been doing sorta commisions

where i just draw for bibliography in exchange for code on my upcoming mod

it's like being paid then spending the money on a coding service

kinda

[flat condor]

roger

[ember flicker]

yeah u can spend money on me 🤑🤑🤑

[flat condor]

doesn't show up on balatro mod manager

[granite forum]

i thought it was

[ember flicker]

install it manually

[granite forum]

but you really don't need to use bmm

[ember flicker]

balatro mod manager is buggy and crashes shit anyway

[granite forum]

i swear it was put on bmm

[ember flicker]

probably the reason why cryptid is shitting itself

[flat condor]

I'll figure it it out

probably

I'm rather dumb when it comes to modding

Do I just make a mod folder or what?

[ember flicker]

you already have a mod folder

[flat condor]

at the top yeah

[ember flicker]

yeah its there

[flat condor]

is it just mod or mods?

[ember flicker]

its mods

[stark hare]

ya download the mod and put it in yo mods folder

[ember flicker]

yeah

[stark hare]

[granite forum]

in fact it is non on bmm

[flat condor]

ok now to figure out if I did It right or not

[granite forum]

i was gonna do that

[ember flicker]

u need to extract the mod so that its mods/modname/xxxx.json

[granite forum]

mods should NOT be there

[stark hare]

bmm isnt bad but its like

not

that useful

[ember flicker]

good

[granite forum]

you have it in the steam files rn

[forest knoll]

this is not right
mods folder should be in C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\Balatro

[ember flicker]

yup

[granite forum]

username being your computer name

[fathom gust]

very balanced fusion recipe

[flat condor]

ah hah!

got it to work!

thanks ya'll

gonna shower then see how the card making works

[amber river]

I had an idea but it's a new take on card sleeves

Essentially, add more stuff to Balatro that would cause cards to be flipped, and the sleeves would be a new type of modification that would do something when the card is flipped

hmmm 😈

[plush hound]

goodluuuuuckk! ^^

[lucid plover]

okay chaaat

if I already haaaveee a mod how should I go about installing a new one

or will that not ruin anything

[fathom gust]

terminus deck just turns into overshoot hell if unik's mod is installed

[lucid plover]

any advice here

[gray lark]

what mod is it?

[fathom gust]

you can just freely add mods
just make sure they don't start conflicting with eachother

[lucid plover]

extra credit (to be installed), Multiplayer (already added, I use it for calculator)

[gray lark]

you're probably fine lol

[lucid plover]

if my pc explodes it's your fault

how tf do I download this

[fathom gust]

i don't remember coding this properly what

[lucid plover]

chat there's no download button

[lucid plover]

that fool gives you the last legendary you got

[woven orchid]

people have like

tens of mods

youre fine if you have 3 or 4

ive seen people who actually play with like 70 mods

[lucid plover]

there's no download button

chat

[leaden vector]

are you looking at a github page?

[lucid plover]

yes

[leaden vector]

what mod are you looking at?

[lucid plover]

extra credit

no download button what do

[fathom gust]

LMFAOOO

[amber river]

[fathom gust]

PK GROUND MY GOAT

[leaden vector]

should just be able to click code and then download zip

[lucid plover]

click code?

[leaden vector]

there should be a button with the word code on near the right

it's green

[lucid plover]

that makes zero sense why did they hide the download

[leaden vector]

it is a bit odd

[woven orchid]

nobody is hiding anything

if you install mods the correct way you should be clicking on the latest release and then just clicking the download link to it

doing code → download zip is only if you want bleeding edge

[lucid plover]

every other time I've downloaded literlly anything

[leaden vector]

there's no releases

[lucid plover]

the download button was in clear sight

[woven orchid]

ok then yea extra credit should do releases

but also i would definitely not go as far to say theyre hiding it 😭

[lucid plover]

nono github is hiding it not them they didn't say where the download button was github did

[woven orchid]

ah

tbf github usually isnt meant to be the most end user friendly platform if youre downloading source code
i would definitely say its on the extra credit devs for not making releases

[lucid plover]

ight so I just unzip this and go orrr what, is there a specific place I have to unzip it too? mb most of the mods I've done were on mobile

[woven orchid]

unzip in your mods folder

the file structure should look like Mods/modname/[mod_contents]

if it looks like Mods/modname/modname/[mod_contents] it will not load properly

[azure dagger]

And this is known as a "nested folder"

[lucid plover]

I did figure I'd have to do some file work but can never be too sure stuff like this is picky

[woven orchid]

its not too bad

[lucid plover]

I went to school for IT I think I know that

lol

[azure dagger]

Some GitHub repos have instructions on how to install mods.

[azure dagger]

Ayyyy nice

[woven orchid]

be glad that balatro is in lua so the source code and the playable mod itself are the same

[lucid plover]

waaait huh

I went and used steam to finddd balatro and there is no mod folder

[woven orchid]

the Mods folder should be in %appdata%/Balatro/Mods

[fathom gust]

alright yay i got the key working(ish)

[woven orchid]

if you do not have one - install lovely and then launch the game once to generate necessary files

[fathom gust]

WHAT

[woven orchid]

assuming you dont already have lovely, if you do then just make sure youve launched the game once before trying to install mods

[lucid plover]

lol

I do multiplayer required it I don understand

[woven orchid]

install the new mod in the same place as you installed multiplayer

[lucid plover]

waaait a scond I installed the multiplayer launcher perhaps I have two seperate instances of the game

that would make more sense

[woven orchid]

oh right multiplayer has a launcher for some reason

[lucid plover]

to make it easier to install updates or some

[forest knoll]

doesn't smods literally have a giant button in the mods menu to open file explorer directly to the mods folder

[woven orchid]

it does

[lucid plover]

I don't know

[sage cairn]

wtf

[azure dagger]

Welcome to:

Aikoyori's Shenanigans

[forest knoll]

ok it does but it's labeled super poorly, it's the "List of Activated Mods" button

[lucid plover]

yugioh player's final boss

[lucid plover]

in game?

[azure dagger]

Yep

[lucid plover]

oh I didn't even think to look there okay

[forest knoll]

yeh
and in fairness, you still have to find the folder yourself to install smods in the first place

but once you have smods you'll never lose the folder again

[woven orchid]

wow no aquillarri

[spare token]

bombler jumpscare

[woven orchid]

wait actually theyre organized by priority i cant quite make that call

[leaden vector]

*explodes*

[azure dagger]

wow no Wildcard Collection

i can certainly make that call because mine is niche atp

[forest knoll]

no aquillarri here sadly 😔 but when it gets a stable release i'll add it to the Big Soup

[woven orchid]

Ha

aquillarri and stable in the same decade

[forest knoll]

heh :3

[lucid plover]

okaaay

tell me again where I slao this in

just where it says mods righhttt

[azure dagger]

%appdata%/Balatro/mods

[lucid plover]

alright we're there

let me go find that zip

aaand now we reload and hope it worked

if it didn't uuuuh guess I'll be here a while

chat we did it

this should be a lot easier now that I understand the process now

[rain orbit]

Changed I.O.U's mechanic

[fathom gust]

sighhh

[flat condor]

https://pin.it/7gxp2i5Ak

question where do I get these?

[hard plank]

see i want to change this button

[rain orbit]

Is it better than the last one at least

[fathom gust]

so called tanky mother 3 bosses when i hit them with the

[keen knoll]

placeholder chip

[sage cairn]

im stuck in shop hell

[grand geode]

hold r

[sage cairn]

true..

[worn dagger]

Hit space with reset key

[sage cairn]

cries softly

FUCK i thought i was free for a second

[worn dagger]

Never

[sage cairn]

well i am now

[hard plank]

😭

what happened

[sage cairn]

got like

3 of those jokers that give you a tag when you skip a pack

[keen knoll]

pity prize?

[sage cairn]

so i just kept getting tags that put me into packs

[sage cairn]

i dont remember its name

[keen knoll]

are u playing cryptid

[sage cairn]

its like a little present

ya

[keen knoll]

yea thats pity prize

[flat condor]

Ok made some test cards

fingers crossed this works

[rain orbit]

[hard plank]

Aikoshen vs Cryptid

[sage cairn]

https://klipy.com/gifs/stop-fighting-smiling-friends-1

[hard plank]

rap battle

[rain orbit]

Aikoshen v. Cryptid in the U.S. Supreme Court

[flat condor]

welp

it crashes the game

that's a good start

[sage cairn]

oh i just looked at that update announcement

i got 2 of those jokers on that run lol

[flat condor]

Question

can I leave a zip here or no?

cause I think I fucked up somewhere

when making my own custom cards

[sage cairn]

i think you would in #💻・modding-dev

[flat condor]

oh frick

[azure dagger]

Mods need to be unzipped

[flat condor]

I think I might have found the problem

didn't label it correctly

testing of mods work be like:

Task failed successfully

[latent crescent]

Wrong

[latent crescent]

Bomb explodes immediately

[flat condor]

xdd

ok what did I do wrong?

used the regular cards

instead of this

I'll keep that in mind next time

I'll make a note of that next time

Is there a template for just face cards + Ace?

[sage cairn]

oh thats fucked

[lucid plover]

That's

Extremely broken

The downside isn't even strong just leave the game every so often just to read collection

[flat condor]

other question

for searching up face card textures in #1209506514763522108 whats the keyword?

[grand geode]

me when the absurd balance is broken

[azure dagger]

Use either the Textures or Decks filter when searching that forum.

But Vocalatro is a good one.

[flat condor]

Roger

[stark hare]

except it’s modded so nothings memorized

😭

[ember flicker]

#1456641762591510671

[earnest eagle]

LF a mod that shows stake sticks on deck and optionally sleeve.

[ember flicker]

lf?

[violet venture]

Grandma's off her meds again

[grand geode]

hagmaxxing

[violet venture]

Yeah, till you find a Ecom combo you got to sell...

And completely drop the Mult to the negatives

Oh no...

I know the pain

Now the grandma doesn't matter

...

that's beautiful

Hey @hard plank? What happens if I get a lot of Emeralds?

[lilac obsidian]

What y’all know about the Siivagunner mod

Is it awesome

[violet venture]

Oh...it spreads...

Time to spread

...it did not spread.

@upbeat kayak @hard plank Zap and Palid act weirdly when with each other

[upbeat kayak]

Elaborate

[worldly owl]

begin game

[hard plank]

elaborate

[violet venture]

@upbeat kayak @hard plank
Zap Spade Ace Triggers it's duplication
Right next is a Palid Heart Ace
Immediately after triggering and scoring, the Zap Ace becomes a Palid Ace

My brain was thinking was that intentional?

So I tried it again, and didn't get any spreading

[upbeat kayak]

The spreading isn't guaranteed

[violet venture]

Oh.

[upbeat kayak]

I think it's like 20% chance

[violet venture]

Then why isn't it mentioned?

[upbeat kayak]

It's intentionally hidden

[violet venture]

That's fair

I take it the Ahab Jokers benefit Palids?

[upbeat kayak]

The whole Pequod does

[violet venture]

Gud

[blissful stag]

another day another 3 mods to the wait list

[upbeat kayak]

Where did you get the mod list from?

[blissful stag]

the mod wiki

[upbeat kayak]

Oh no

[blissful stag]

ill add the mods from the #1209506514763522108 on the next batch of 40

which is probably gonna take upwards of a month from now because that is A LOT of sprites to work on

and i have to copy respective mod art styles to seal the deal which is not my forte

[upbeat kayak]

My condolences

And good luck

[blissful stag]

thanks

[hard plank]

personally don't like this design choice

but not my mod

[upbeat kayak]

That's fair. It's set up that way for thematic and balance reasons, but I can understand how it may feel weird

[violet venture]

Indeed

[hard plank]

I've never played any pm game so don't ask me

btw i fixed this

[worldly owl]

thank you

goat

but im not playing on the mod rn bc i wanted to play this jojos mod that crashes if it has talisman

[hard plank]

you don't need talisman for my mod

in fact i recommend playing my mod without it

[worldly owl]

oh

then i will

thank you🙏

[hard plank]

i want my mod to be as compatible as possible

[worldly owl]

btw how do i close this 😭

[hard plank]

press tab

[worldly owl]

oh thx

nice

[hard plank]

fast alt tab user detected

[worldly owl]

yessir

[prisma latch]

reworked a couple of my food jokers (common, common, uncommon, rare, legendary)

wait no thats an ass rare i need to buff that

uhh X2.5 loses X0.1

still not great ill figure it out later

but uhh yeah i think fudge's new effect of +3 per hand played is fun

much better than its old effect of just having a use button that gives you mult that hand for limited uses

[worldly owl]

i think i did something

[prisma latch]

"good enough"

[worldly owl]

The game crashed

Because i did everything

[prisma latch]

what if there was a legendary

Scoring ante increases quadratically
Uncommons, Rares and Legendaries become more likely to appear each ante

actually no thats some cryptid bullshit im not doing that

[wanton rapids]

interesting

[stable juniper]

i've wanted to do this art style as a Joker for a while, but only today found out the name of its creator

[wanton rapids]

i have this but +4 but this should probably be fine?

[stable juniper]

(Kevin Haring)

[gray delta]

common giving pretty good xmult for a common is pretty uncommon ngl

[stable juniper]

well it's only X2 max

for 5 Jokers

[gray delta]

fair enough

[stable juniper]

i'm not against giving Commons xmult ^^

their xmult just has to be low and applicable to most runs

[gray delta]

photograph gives xmult im not either lol

[wanton rapids]

with this you have to bring the rest of your build down too

[stable juniper]

exactly

it's not something you want to build into late game

hence, common :3

[prisma latch]

i think i FINALLY have a good effect for the Diary of a Time Looper legendary. just. Scoring ante does not increase
seems maybe a bit powerful even for a legendary but i have a joker printer legendary itll be fine

[stable juniper]

wait so like. hmm this is insanely op ;u;

[wanton rapids]

so you could be on ante 39 but the blinds would be of the size of the ante you got it at?

this is ridiculous

maybe make it go at half speed or something

[stable juniper]

brainstorm mod > time looper ante 1 > just like. win

[prisma latch]

that wouldnt be a time loop though
i could make it only prevent the increase if you feed it a joker like with dagger

[wanton rapids]

maybe

[stable juniper]

oh maybe

[wanton rapids]

but that'd still be extremely strong

[stable juniper]

since that forces you to keep a slot vacant

[gray delta]

are you trying to be balanced or is this cryptid type shi

[stable juniper]

but still ;u; yeah it's. insane

[wanton rapids]

maybe something more permanent like random cards out of your deck(????)

something harder to get back

[prisma latch]

definitely nothing cryptid level but im not opposed to having some stupid legendaries

[prisma latch]

oh i like that more

[wanton rapids]

also maybe make the cost scale

[prisma latch]

what cost

[leaden vector]

Oh my god I thought you were my old friend

[wanton rapids]

amount of cards removed

[prisma latch]

oh true

yeah thats it

[gray delta]

so it prevents increaese and sacrifices more and more playing cards

[wanton rapids]

it's a cool idea but without a heavy cost it is definitely way beyond cryptid level imo

[prisma latch]

Time Looper's Diary (Legendary)
Scoring ante does not increase
On boss blind beaten, destroy 1 playing card and double destruction amount

[gray delta]

wtf

[prisma latch]

is that too harsh

[gray delta]

opposite

[wanton rapids]

eh you get 4 antes with a starting deck then it Kills You

[gray delta]

only 4 antes for a legendary tho ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[prisma latch]

i felt like just making it go up by 1 every time wasnt harsh enough

do i just make it increments of 5 or

[rain orbit]

Along with bizarros of the original 150 I'm doing a page or 2 of bonus ones

I have 2 bonuses so far

[round elk]

Insanity

[rain orbit]

Jokerekoj which is the conceptual halfway point between joker and rekoj, and ekoj which is oker but rekoj

[gray delta]

this mighr be i

oops

this might be insane to implement but what if u made it so that jokers you bought after getting the legendary would be gone after boss blind is beaten

actually that wouldnt do much nvm

[rain orbit]

Is it like fair and stuff to lock content for one mod behind having another mod

I want the unlock requirement for ekoj to summon oker

[prisma latch]

yeah thats just crossmod

[gray delta]

thats a rhing

[rain orbit]

Ok

I didn't knoe

[prisma latch]

what if it destroys all cards of one random rank from your deck

[rain orbit]

It's not like it's new content that appears when oker is installed, it's just eternally locked until you get and summon oker

[prisma latch]

no

[gray delta]

so uhh 10 antes

[wanton rapids]

kind of interesting maybe

[gray delta]

wouldnt that be kinda bad for like xoak runs

[wanton rapids]

but that makes living off standard packs quite easy

[prisma latch]

true

its hard to strike a balance between too many cards and not enough

[rain orbit]

Then it'd be unlocked even if the oker mod is deactivated

[wanton rapids]

maybe you could do like fibonacci

[rain orbit]

Unless you lose your save or smth

[wanton rapids]

so still multiplicative but slower

[prisma latch]

idk

thats weirdly specific

what if it was just a flat half the deck every time

[wanton rapids]

maybe

[prisma latch]

no too harsh earlygame

[wanton rapids]

but that slows down which feels a bit odd

[gray delta]

canio 🤑

[alpine cosmos]

hi chat

[gray delta]

hi blindside girl*

[alpine cosmos]

girl

[prisma latch]

i think this idea is definitely better than the old effect but balancing the amount of cards to destroy is gonna be hard

[gray delta]

sory

[alpine cosmos]

no prob

anyways hi!!

[gray delta]

i played your mod it makes me think too hard

[alpine cosmos]

thats fair

its definitely like a massive leap

[gray delta]

not necessarily a bad thing just i probably wouldnt play ur mod again

[alpine cosmos]

from balatro gameplay

its not for everyone!

its okay

[wanton rapids]

i love blindside ‼️

where were you when tech blind was kill

[alpine cosmos]

what if the cards destroyed were the cards played

[alpine cosmos]

i was laughing maniacally

[gray delta]

high card runs 🤑

[alpine cosmos]

like "scoring cards in last hand of round are destroyed"

[prisma latch]

potentially

[alpine cosmos]

gives you control whilst still limiting yourself and still able to recover from

[prisma latch]

yeah, and still hurts cause those are probably going to be among your better cards

i like it

[alpine cosmos]

yeyeye

[prisma latch]

weve done it

weve finally fixed time looper

[alpine cosmos]

weve done it

weve finally fixed time looper

[wanton rapids]

also is scoring ante detached from ante ante

[prisma latch]

yes it will be because otherwise you wouldnt be able to

yknow

win

[wanton rapids]

true

[prisma latch]

thats kinda the issue with its current effect

[alpine cosmos]

we all know that one friend stuck in the time loop

we all know that one friend stuck in the time loop

we all know that one friend stuck in the time loop

[prisma latch]

it just loads a save from the start of the ante unless you feed it a joker

[alpine cosmos]

oh damn

[gray delta]

anteater

[prisma latch]

its not good for anything but some minor save scumming really

[hard plank]

i think i got the recursive save enabled

[rain orbit]

Would bizarro burglar be a policeman or vigilante

[hard plank]

😭

[rain orbit]

Or like just a really charitable guy

[prisma latch]

i found

i think. it might be even worse by now

but anyways yeah now we have an actual good effect for it and i can stop thinking about it

[full edge]

My internet just crashed and if that means like 6 pages of joker updates to the wiki didn't go through I will explode

[prisma latch]

oh dear

one of the reasons im most excited to get hodgepodge done is honestly so it can have a wiki page. i just think it would be so neat to see my work laid out in a wiki even if it means making all the pages myself lol

new food joker

Unlimited Bacon (Legendary)
X1e308 Mult
Closes game

i just had the stupidest joker idea actually.
creates a folder on your desktop and gives chips based on the total size of the folder, but if there are duplicate files it self destructs

[full edge]

Oh because if you choose unlimited bacon, you also choose no games

[prisma latch]

indeed

if you sell it that means you choose unlimited games

so the game still closes

because unlimited games means no games

Hi

[storm forum]

🧡

[tidal nimbus]

Do you think too many Jokers or content a problem in one mod?

This question rises into my mind when I saw a mod with over 300 Jokers

I think there's a reason why there's only 150 Jokers in the base game

Not too many, not too few

[full edge]

Yes

[tidal nimbus]

It's gonna be a balancing nightmare, isn't it?

[full edge]

I say, having 350 jokers in Kino. But either it means there is a lot of thematic redundancy, or there are so many mechanical themes present that it's hard to get a build going, unless the set of jokers is really well constructed

[storm forum]

-# Slowly creeping up to 150 myself-

[tidal nimbus]

Even Cryptid only adds 210 Jokers

[full edge]

And balancing is definitely an issue. But it mostly is consistency. The size of base balatro is really well-suited for allowing both consistency and randomness. It means you can't play a run assuming you'll see a specific joker, but you can look for jokers that fill a specific role

[tidal nimbus]

That's thanks to Joker design philosophy localthunk has

[rain orbit]

Everything becomes less notable because it blends together, either that or most of the jokers are too uninteresting to even remember they exist

[tidal nimbus]

Each Joker only has 1 simple effect, no Joker has specific synergy with other Joker

[full edge]

It's part of why I'm adding this feature to Kino in the final update, so that there are ways to still have the huge size of it, as I like a lot of the stuff I added, but also allows for runs that aren't as drastically random as they are now #1406740128231194644 message

[rain orbit]

It's why I'm only planning to add 2 pages of bonus rekoj's at most

[tidal nimbus]

Pokermon is an exception to this probably

Cause most Jokers will evolve into a stronger Joker

[full edge]

Oh, definitely Thunk figured out some good things, but it's also generally a design philosophy you see pop up in any drafting game design. MtG designers have articles on it, but for a huge number of board games there's just a lot of things to consider

[wanton rapids]

i mean a larger pool definitely can work if there's mechanical redundancy which for most mods there is a decent amount of

[full edge]

The way rarities don't reflect power, but generic usefulness is a good one, as well as commons not being the most frequent rarity. Games thrive on their uncommon card designs. For MtG drafts, they're the core of the experience, but games like Wingspan (though they don't have explicit rarity, there are effects that are less frequent) also really depend on that second tier effect for you to win. Rares are bombs and enablers

I think the argument definitely changes if the pool is big because you're playing with multiple mods, yeah

But I'm starting to think, personally, that Balatro kinda starts creaking when you're past 250 total jokers. Not that it becomes a bad game then, but vanilla Balatro is a really, really good game, so even if it creaks, it can still be just regular really good, haha

[tidal nimbus]

Then you have mods that dependent with other mods to run

Ortalab is a good example

Since it's only adds things from the base Balatro game, it doesn't add too much contents

Plus, the mod has a stake that limits to Ortalab contents only

It doesn't have the issue I mentioned before

It doesn't have too many Jokers for player to juggle around

[wanton rapids]

does it not add 150 jokers?

[tidal nimbus]

Yes

[upbeat kayak]

This probably won't be the case for long, though

[prisma latch]

oh yeah we're getting "at least 3" new jokers

[tidal nimbus]

But the intention is that you can experience the mod by only play the content it provided

[wanton rapids]

realistically its 15 or maybe 30

because collection pages

[prisma latch]

yeah

what are the chances of more legendaries

[wanton rapids]

doubt it

[prisma latch]

yeah

[upbeat kayak]

100 new jokers, just like in pokemon gen 2

[full edge]

I think in the context of vanilla, legendaries are a nightmare of a design space

There's not really a lot of places to go. Most modded legendaries are very tied to new mechanics, are just too strong

[upbeat kayak]

It doesn't help that a good pair of Common Jokers can't completely outshine a legendary

[tidal nimbus]

Like this one from Bunco?

[full edge]

I haven't played bunco in at least 6 months. Were exotic cards the new suits it adds?

[wanton rapids]

i believe so

[tidal nimbus]

It is

[prisma latch]

yeah i think in modding legendaries are just treated as "this is too broken to give to a normal joker. ill just lock it away in the Crystal and call it balanced"

[tidal nimbus]

Exotic suits are not available by default

You have to play a poker hand containing Spectrum

There you go

[prisma latch]

how do you do that without the new suits though

[wanton rapids]

wild card

[prisma latch]

fair

[normal hollow]

hi

i have 404

[tidal nimbus]

That's not something you should brag about

[wanton rapids]

most arent in the main shop pool though right(?)

i should play joyousspring

[normal hollow]

i do

you should play joyousspring

[full edge]

JoyousSpring is a mod that's build around dealing with that many jokers

It doesn't really play anything like vanilla

[tidal nimbus]

Yeah I'll pass

[full edge]

I really struggle with legendaries. Only ended up going for 10 because I committed to a theme at the start, and that meant I had to go for 10

[prisma latch]

im happy with my 60 joker count
(pushes the nefarious 61st joker to the side)

[wanton rapids]

i do like the requirement system for your legendaries

[full edge]

You're truly missing out. JoyousSpring is very, very polished and well made. The jokers function very different because the content is all based around the very explicit archetypes.

[prisma latch]

for first release at least, i do want to add more in the future because Hodgepodge is just me throwing stuff at a wall and seeing whats fun lol

[wanton rapids]

i mean having too many jokers isnt really that bad of a problem as long as you have (almost) functional reprints of stuff

[tidal nimbus]

Are you putting gunpoint at me?

[full edge]

The requirements are something I'm really happy with just because it makes it a bit more justified to have a legendary be more niche in its usage. But man, it's a hard space to navigate. Every legendary design I made just felt like I was doing a normal joker that was too strong, haha

[tidal nimbus]

I don't know then

Maybe I just prefer small mods

[normal hollow]

i have a good reprint policy but im killing the resell market

[prisma latch]

i wish i could consistently hit the same level of quality with my jokers as i did woth Broken Record. its just such a fun joker thematically, visually and functionally

[wanton rapids]

what does it do?

[full edge]

Best thing to do is keep playing your mod. If there are issues, you'll encounter them as you play. I've been reworking a lot of common jokers for Kino because playing really showed how bad the spawn pool was changed

[tidal nimbus]

Every god damn suggestions I've seen be like

[prisma latch]

if rightmost card is unscored, score and retrigger 3 times

[wanton rapids]

interesting

[normal hollow]

i only have xchips

[polar oyster]

Wrap straight

[prisma latch]

admittedly a powerful common but its balanced with the fact you have to keep the card unscored i think

[wanton rapids]

this is to be expected? and its not really a bad thing?

[polar oyster]

I have idea Every played wild or 7 give x1.4 Chips

[prisma latch]

my only xchips is only xchips for the bit, none joker left chips

[polar oyster]

I think it balanced

[prisma latch]

=1 Mult, X4 Chips

[long hare]

XChips and ^Mult are literally every mod

[polar oyster]

XChips can be good as idea, but more likely it would same as Xmult

[prisma latch]

xchips is hard to get right i think

i do like editions that give ^chips actually

on playing cards

[polar oyster]

Always

[full edge]

I only have xChips on spells and romance cards, still. I kinda wanna get rid of them, but I haven't figured out how I wanna go about it

[ember flicker]

please do xChips jokers i need to get letter decks super op

[polar oyster]

I think if mod have ^mult/chips, then it have a lot of chance being unbalance

[normal hollow]

i have xchips for thematic reasons, like cards that are supposed to be pairs one has xmult and the other xchips

or cards that are water or blue or something

[wanton rapids]

yeah xchips is useful for flavour reasons

[prisma latch]

yeah

[unkempt current]

true

it's good for variety

[long hare]

oh god i dont like aikoshen's direct score system

[prisma latch]

Cryptid's ^1.1 chips edition i think is actually a very good use of both exponentiation and using chips over mult

[unkempt current]

im not sure why some people hate it

[ember flicker]

my xchips joker is meant for letter jokers,, thats why i put it on Aiko's card

[polar oyster]

XMult, XChips, XGlop, XMoney for red, blue, green and yellow

[normal hollow]

i think people hate it because they need to pick a hard side in the "should xchips be in vanilla" discussion and cant be nuanced

[ember flicker]

xGlop

[unkempt current]

glop

[normal hollow]

i would never glop

[unkempt current]

i miss glop

[ember flicker]

xChips should be in vanilla because why not? there's xmult already

[polar oyster]

I think like flint give x0.5 base chips is pretty vanilla and baalnce

[prisma latch]

xchips has no use in vanilla and its prinary use is theming, and i think thats fine

[wanton rapids]

realistically vanilla doesnt need to be in vanilla

xchips .

i

[prisma latch]

unlimited balatro

but no balatro

[unkempt current]

"+mult is supposed to be the only multiplier to your chips" said the glorious local thunk

[polar oyster]

X0 chips is pretty interesting idea

[long hare]

this means that it multiplies the stored score by 2.5

[full edge]

Spells use of xChips are the one I most dislike. Romance cards have it because it feels more thematic if the first romance card gives something different from the second one

[normal hollow]

i havent played with them whats the problem

[ember flicker]

then there shouldnt be decks that balance out mult and chips

[unkempt current]

sadge

[prisma latch]

how does that work. at the start of a round your score is 0. 0 x 2.5 is 0

[long hare]

usually your stored score is 0

[wanton rapids]

yeah and i dont blame him

[unkempt current]

i agree

[polar oyster]

X2.5 score on first hand is pretty useless? Like just x2.5 mult

wait no?

[normal hollow]

lol and it doesnt have a way to store it?

[long hare]

there's other cards that give +Score

[prisma latch]

thats weird

[ember flicker]

When you balance out the mult into the chips you're effectifely giving away the think thats multiplying your chips to the chips, which arguably makes it kinda a xmult

[unkempt current]

problem with +score is that it becomes irrelevant the higher the ante

[polar oyster]

Xscore is pretty interesting concept, but +score pretty meh

[long hare]

no no, the stored score is the total contributed to the blind req

[prisma latch]

+score and xscore are kinda pointless to me. it feels like its just 'skipping' mult and chips, which is taking a lot of nuance from the game

[normal hollow]

i know i mean before the first hand, but i saw the +score thing

[polar oyster]

Xscore has problem with a lot of hands

[full edge]

In every case, it kinda just depends on how it's designed. Mult, xMult and Chips work well because the games interacts with that at every point

[long hare]

yeah, if there was higher amounts of +score i would consider it as a possibility, but the highest +score in aikoshen is 100 (without scaling)

[polar oyster]

only if it not based on hand played

[unkempt current]

is there anything else we can come up with alongside chips and mult

[normal hollow]

there's a series of jokers i have in the backlog of joyous that do different math operations on the score

[long hare]

operator

[normal hollow]

but those are months away

[polar oyster]

I love ghost mult as my idea in mind, but it bad possible idea

Operators appear on every unbalance mods :(

[normal hollow]

what would be a non unbalanced way to use them

[ember flicker]

glop

[polar oyster]

wait I have idea: Swap chips and mult at the end of score

[unkempt current]

no

[ember flicker]

what about glug

[spare token]

why not glerp

[polar oyster]

Green glop

[spare token]

glorb glrolg

[ember flicker]

because glerp is already something else

[unkempt current]

the idea of glop is good
the only problem is that it's a shitpost

[polar oyster]

I think some ideas base by different mult can be potential

[ember flicker]

wait is glop an actual thing

[unkempt current]

yes

[polar oyster]

gloppost

[ember flicker]

wtf

[unkempt current]

a 3rd multiplier

added by potassium

[ember flicker]

maKes sense

[unkempt current]

oh you know nothin

[polar oyster]

glops was from April fool and then appear as separate mod

?

[ember flicker]

i want to do cat enhancements

nevermind

[long hare]

if we're not getting the new camellia song this month i'll be so sad

[ember flicker]

u cant have a stone cat

didnt camellia release 5 billion remixes

[unkempt current]

let's just call glop

[ember flicker]

hello glop this is modding general

[unkempt current]

xmult
because it multiplies your mult

[long hare]

xxmult

[unkempt current]

Ymult

[ember flicker]

is ^mult in base smods

[polar oyster]

If mult == xchips, then glop=Xmult?

[long hare]

yes, and so is ^chips

[ember flicker]

ok amazeballs

so what would be a use for ^mult then

like how do i define base and exponent

[long hare]

current mult is base, exponent is the operand

[ember flicker]

oh

its fucked

[unkempt current]

i once came up with a new operator window called expo and it exponentiates your score

but i scratched that because

unbalance if if

[long hare]

were you expecting n^X instead of X^n

[prisma latch]

i need to make a webdriver torso joker

[ember flicker]

yes

[long hare]

i think that's possible too

but that requires talisman/amulet

[ember flicker]

but it doesnt serve my purpose anyways

[long hare]

its times like this where im glad that piskel as a backup system

[ember flicker]

what

[prisma latch]

why do people use piskel 😭 libresprite and aseprite are right there

[rain orbit]

Piskel is web based and easy to access

[prisma latch]

i guess if you want to do art on the go its an alright tool

i just find it so much worse to use than libre and ase

even pixilart but i have more experience on that site lol

[tidal nimbus]

So overall

Am I wrong for worrying mod has too many Jokers?

[ember flicker]

i use paintdotnet

[long hare]

no i dont think you can have too many jokers, though if you have too many common jokers then it might drown out vanilla

[tidal nimbus]

So I was wrong in the end

[polar oyster]

I just now thought, the mods that adds many legendary joker and don't add other ways to get them are mostly don't add any legendary jokers.

[tidal nimbus]

How

Ah I see

[hard plank]

aikoshen sneak peek?

[tidal nimbus]

https://balatromods.miraheze.org/wiki/All_in_Jest/Jokers

This one in particular adds 39 legendary Jokers

[polar oyster]

All in jest is peak mod

[tidal nimbus]

The mod however added some way to make Legendary Joker to appear in shop

[normal hollow]

mine also appear in the shop : )

i just saw someone in a video get one in the shop and one in a pack in the same shop even though the odds are pretty low

[polar oyster]

Hmm Buffon pack should have any rare spectral, something joker repeated, because black hole and soul should

[storm forum]

This of mine on Anaglyph Deck would go ham.

[polar oyster]

-1 Ante, -1 Joker slot, evil

[hard plank]

toga

ali

what if i add more lengendaries

[long hare]

standard pack too

[polar oyster]

tru

convert all card into random enchantment /j

[tidal nimbus]

There is a mod have that

But it's just gives you bunch of Joker tags

[prisma latch]

im excited to implement pacts into my mod
they let you summon a certain legendary in exchange for a permanent downside

[polar oyster]

wait I have idea for standard pack spectral Add 5 red seal steel King of Hearts in your deck /j //

[keen knoll]

hi

[polar oyster]

bird

[long hare]

i dont think that's maroon or a mole

[keen knoll]

its a placeholder chip

[polar oyster]

Actually effect kinda kill every run for ranks

[keen knoll]

its a showdown blind

also blame jpenguin he designed it

[polar oyster]

Although my councillor will love this blind

[hard plank]

oh.

[polar oyster]

I have planned crossmod joker for note card, but not 100% and if your mod don't have similar idea

hmm Candy Cookie Clown

[gray delta]

that mod has spectacular art

[fickle elbow]

Nevernamed is a great artist

[flat condor]

Thank you

[stable juniper]

WOAH OKAY this looks sicker than i had in mind

[ornate bone]

Topsy Turvy Joker: Screen tilts from side to side. If the screen tilts to the left you gain chips, if the screen tilts to the right you gain mult

no cap on the tilts but to counterbalance it tilts slowly

[polar oyster]

Synergy if you unlucky and find negative tag

[dawn gull]

guys, what's the mod name that skip the animation of scoring hands?

[storm forum]

Talisman and Handy both have it.

[blissful stag]

Can someone please make a joker thats essentially family guy cutaways

"Man this is worse than the time i hit 0 for 15 with bloodstone" and it cuts to you selecting a hand to play a five of a kind king of hearts with a sock and a dusk on the final hand with bloodstone

[hidden marsh]

wait will polterworx ever return?

[stable juniper]

no

[hidden marsh]

;(

so is jen just doing gmod stuff

[unkempt current]

no

[hidden marsh]

wait what really happened to jen and the mod?

[unkempt current]

there was a lot of drama and stuff with the mod and it was too much for jen and so he cancelled the mod

atleast that's what i remember

[stark hare]

cancelled and deleted the mod

[unkempt current]

yes

[lavish pike]

Hi

[polar oyster]

hi GUD

[lavish pike]

Hellloooo

How is you

[limber oak]

hi gud

[polar oyster]

Im so clowny

[lavish pike]

Hi fireice