⚙・modding-general

[stable juniper]

for endless, the plan is to keep making more aces, get my money up for Mello, and get some Tarots to get Ghost online :D

i had the opportunity at the start of the run to play into unscored cards, but i said no, and still managed this ^u^ so that's a great sign of Joker diversity there

Sketch is the goat though

[chilly pine]

revo goated

[prisma latch]

another example would be uhh Pact of Petrification, gain Runerigus (retrigger played cards once per held stone card), stone cards in hand swap their enhancement with random cards in hand cards when hand is played

idk if that effect is a big enough tradeoff but

[blazing verge]

it appears I have done something wrong

[full edge]

Ongoing self-indulgence, but for people even slightly considering potentially using the Value Manipulation API, I'd love to know whether this short documentation in the Readme reads well
https://github.com/icyethics/Blockbuster-ValueManipulation

[chilly pine]

has enhancements isnt a thing iirc

use SMODS.get_enhancements

[prisma latch]

or Gain Jovial Merriment (gains 0.5x mult if hand played is highest hand of run), 1.5x blind size

[chilly pine]

if SMODS.get_enhancements(card)["m_prefix_key"] then

[prisma latch]

seems to be a 404?

[chilly pine]

yeah its not embedding

[full edge]

oh yeah, you're right, i accidentally published the repo as private 🥲

[chilly pine]

maybe you didnt set the repo to public

ah

[storm forum]

...assuming Four Fingers is not considered for such?

[full edge]

https://github.com/icyethics/Blockbuster-ValueManipulation
it should work now

[chilly pine]

oh awesome

ill check it out

[stable juniper]

oh we're cooking chat

[full edge]

Only works for jokers rn. Will be adding broader support soon, but I've not yet worked with that before so gonna learn how to do that first, haha

[full edge]

ghostbusters joker???

love that art, Ghost!

[stable juniper]

AAAAAAAA NOOOO NOT THE GHOSTBUSTERS AAAAAA

hehe thanks ^U^

[full edge]

it's tf2, right?

[stable juniper]

here's her ability :3

[full edge]

or am I even more incorrect there, haha

[stable juniper]

oh ya Medic, ye

[full edge]

pfew

[storm forum]

true.

[stable juniper]

also this run's just getting started >:3 i found The Brazier so now we get Copper Grate Aces

[drowsy parrot]

bergur

[full edge]

I should play Phanta again. I think I haven't touched it in a good few months

[stable juniper]

ya i've recently put out a 2.0 that rebalances a lot of things

and adds a bunch of things

[full edge]

I'll check it out soon. I've barely played modded balatro outside of testing my own stuff for like the last 2 months, haha

[chilly pine]

oh this is really cool

might make compat later

[stable juniper]

i need to check out kino ^u^ i've seen people play it but never tried it myself

also OUGH WE ARE COOKING

[lime siren]

Yeah the readme reads well, except maybe add examples of what you're explaining in the readme?

[full edge]

The hope is to make Value Manipulation a lot easier and more consistent, as well as a designed mechanic, rather than Cryptid's more generic scattershot approach.

[lime siren]

Oh wait the examples are directly in items/compact_standard nvm

[chilly pine]

i can see

[sleek granite]

blockbuster becomes more based

[chilly pine]

youve done a really good job there

[full edge]

probably wouldn't hurt for me to link it directly from the readme, though

[lime siren]

Anyhow I hope this API pans out because imo value manipulation is really good/fun but needs to be sort of standardized somehow, and this approach seems really good

[full edge]

It'd be cool to see people use Blockbuster: Counters or Spellcasting, but the Value Manip stuff I truly hope can become an actual default for that mechanic, haha

[sleek granite]

value manipulation 🎉

[full edge]

I want to add some more additional controls for devs, like adding variable specific max's and such, but I'll have to figure out how I want to deal with that because I didn't consider that when I wrote this, so it might be unwieldy to add, haha

[storm forum]

-# Release first, polish later. 🍞

[chilly pine]

is this a good effect fusion for burnt joker and dusk

in this case #1# is 2 and #2# is 1

[lime siren]

Maybe not for an api

[full edge]

this version's definitely still possible to have core changes, I should make that clear in the README. It's more so released so people can try it out and tell me if something's just totally impractical, haha. But I'm suspecting most of it would work fine atm without needing major overhauls

My problem is that while I'm comfortable writing code for Balatro mods, at this point, I'm far from a dev, so if I developed stuff like this in full isolation, it'd be filled with idiosyncracies that probably wouldn't be great for other people to have to figure out, haha

[sleek granite]

ice youre so cool

[opaque matrix]

Is there an easy way I can remove "Negative Joker" visual effect?

[full edge]

remove the shader, you mean? The thing that inverts the colours?

[opaque matrix]

yup yup, thats right

I read that there's 2 layers but idk if thatas right

[full edge]

I don't know how I'd do it, but it shouldn't be all too difficult. I've personally just not touched shaders much. But you should be able to just remove a shader from a negative object, as far as I understand.

I could see how I'd set it up, if you have some additional info on what you'd wanna remove it for?

[opaque matrix]

yeah im not really familiar with how all this works. Was hoping I could just change smoe values in teh raw files but im struggling to understand what im looking at

basically, I dont like the look of the cards whenever they get the "Negative" visual effect applied

[crude verge]

hotline miami

[full edge]

You'll definitely be able to figure it out, but there's not some simple toggle in the code. But I suspect you could just change the shader itself, or disable it rendering

[prisma latch]

reading through the blockbuster docs, honestly going through and renaming everything to be actually consistent would probably be. a good idea. so this is a good upportunity to di that

[stable juniper]

hehe, i discovered a bug with Peekaboo :3

[opaque matrix]

when you say change the shader itself, waht does that entail? sry i'm clueless on shaders and such

[stable juniper]

this one i got was Negative, but its ability set it to Holographic

it should not be able to do that, of course :>

[full edge]

A shader is a specific code, in a specific file. You should be able to just replace that code with some other code to have that be rendered differently. It's not difficult, but I suspect it would be difficult to figure out what you're even looking at if you're not used to looking at code.

Would you want the negative cards to have no specific visuals at all, preferably?

[stable juniper]

o7s

[opaque matrix]

yes, basically treat it a as a normal card whenit comes to visual fx

[full edge]

I think that could also be done by just changing the shader field on the edition 🤔 I can have a look and see if I can whip something up!

[stable juniper]

oh that's funny :3 if u sell Aquarius u don't instantly lose on 0 hands

HEHEHEHE

[full edge]

It's a big boon for systems like this. I'm happy I forced myself to program like that early on, haha. But it's a bitch to have to do retroactively if you've already set up a lot of content

[grim rover]

i saw a chart about how 6 - 10 doesn't get much love so i js made license plate be a weaker fib

[opaque matrix]

that would be amazing, but no pressure at all

[full edge]

oh, love the art for that

[prisma latch]

i think blockbuster actually gives me a very good opportunity to just. go through every joker and clean them up, add blockbuster compat, and add blueprint compat (for some reason ive decided its a good idea to just. pretend blueprint doesnt exist for now)

[grim rover]

pretty cool how it coincidentally says "L" to 1-5

[full edge]

decent change i don't get it working before I have to leave, haha, so no promises either 😛 But I don't mind giving it a shot

[opaque matrix]

thanks so much, i've been trying to read up on it as much before asking but it's beyond my chimp brain powers atm ha.

[full edge]

not just blockbuster: value manipulation compat, but full blockbuster compat ❤️ time to add Blockbuster: Spellcasting and Blockbuster: Counters to your mod

[full edge]

Haha, you'd have figured it out eventually. It's just a bit of a hurdle to learn how to read code and be confident in what to change, but after that, you'd be flying through it, surely

[prisma latch]

counters sadly do not really come into my style of writing effects, and spellcasting feels. very specific

am i correct in thiniing blockbuster: spellcasting is essentially the spells mechanic from kino as a library?

[grim rover]

saw this chart

[stable juniper]

that's missing Wee

he's so small i can't even see him >:3

[full edge]

Yeah, and Counters is the Counters mechanic, haha. They're both set up to be broader than what Kino uses, but they're basically what Kino uses

but the Value Manipulation library is also just Kino's value manipulation, haha

[prisma latch]

i did notice the docs dont yet mention how to apply value manip to a joker? i assume you just haven't written that yet

[full edge]

Oh, yeah, I forgot that's also necessary, haha. You can see an example in the debug.lua file, but I'll write that later today!

[chilly pine]

seal fusions

[prisma latch]

oo i see you can distinguish between sources

handy

[chilly pine]

okay i have

no idea

for seal fusion

except for averaging the colors maybe idk

[prisma latch]

visuals wise? swirly

or like. red bg with gold dollar sign for red/gold fusion

that kinda thing

[chilly pine]

i mean its commutive fusion so i dont know which to decide as the bg and which as the symbol

[full edge]

distinguish between sources?

[prisma latch]

like, being able to tell which multipliers come from what

[chilly pine]

and i still have no idea what to do with the mechanics

[prisma latch]

red/gold: retrigger once for each $5 (or $10?) you have

[chilly pine]

thats a teensy bit op

[prisma latch]

alternatively red just. does the other seal's effect. Again

[chilly pine]

thats kinda lazy

what do i know though

[full edge]

I'm definitely up for checking it out later, but not sure where the shader's being applied properly!

[chilly pine]

hm actually

oh yeah wait nvm i got ideas now

[prisma latch]

do tell

im curiours

[full edge]

Oh, yeah. I had to force that shell onto Cryptid for compat as well 🥲 It makes it a lot easier to remove and recalc multipliers, especially if your value manipulation has a chance of being removed

[chilly pine]

its related to mediums other mechanics

[full edge]

Cryptid has a separate variable for the multiply card, apparently, because that's the only conditional value manip

[chilly pine]

i do still want to make them mono colored to make them fit with the vanilla sprites

[opaque matrix]

tyvm, no worries either way much appreciated

[prisma latch]

btw, does/will bb support manipulating playing cards? like their enhancements and their chip values

[round ore]

Hi all, first time here and I think I understand all the rules, so I'm sorry if asking this here breaks any rules, but I'm having an issue with a mod I'm attempting to create, and I was wondering if/where I could ask?

[full edge]

Here's the right place to ask! 😄

[full edge]

I wanna look at that soon. Ideally, it'll be able to do value manipulation on any object type, but there's some set up things I wanna look at to see how that works. I checked the code this morning and realized it's not actually hardcoded to be limited to jokers, I just assumed it'd only do jokers because that's how Kino's set up, haha

[vale sage]

hi chat
what you guys doing

[full edge]

Oh, I should probably add an integer only variable convention as well 🤔 to prevent the stuff that Cryptid has where you can pick 0.67 cards out of 2.88

[prisma latch]

i imagine that due to enhancements being able to change so freely it might be a little harder than usual, but given you seen to store a list of each multiplier applied by each source i imagine a hook or two might be able to do the trick

as opposed to the big edition which just. chucks the original ability table into a variable, multiplies whatever it can, and prays

[full edge]

Part of what makes my system a bit easier to deal with is that, by default, every value that gets manipulated is assumed to be static. I don't recalculate changing values, because of that, like gathered stacks

[balmy tangle]

cryptid bad 👍

[full edge]

Cryptid able to be improved and iterated upon 👍

[sleek granite]

blockbuster good 👍

[round ore]

Ok, so, I'm using the SampleJokers from Rare K, to learn how to create Jokers and learn the code of the game, and I have a Joker created and loaded into the game, but I'm having an issue with the "shakecard" function in the code, where "juice.up" registers as a nil value. This occurs only when I have the new Joker I created in my Joker line-up.

I've tried a few things to trouble shoot (changing the function name to prevent global overwrite, reinstalling SMOD and Lovely, verifying game file integrity, completely resetting my Balatro) and nothing has worked, so I finally decided to come here and ask the Elders. :)

[balmy tangle]

oh, right its not necessarily talisman
talisman bad 👍

[prisma latch]

i dont get why everyone here seems to think cryptid is just irredeemably terrible tbh. yeah its a little numbersloppy at times but theres a lot it does right imo

[balmy tangle]

cookie clicker if it was boring

[sleek granite]

i like light cards for personal reasons

[full edge]

Does the game crash? There's a chance you're dealing with a syntax error somewhere. If you can post the crash log, and your code, we can have a look!

[balmy tangle]

i dislike it personally because it sets a precedent for most new modded balatro viewiers to say "all modded balatro has to be numberslop, and numberslop is therefore good and normal"

[round ore]

Yes, it does. Give me a few and I'll post it up. Is there a limit to how much code I can actually put into #💻・modding-dev ?

[sleek granite]

popular thing is actually not the entire scene

news at 11

[balmy tangle]

might be good to move to #💻・modding-dev, as this chat fills up with idle chatter easily

[prisma latch]

thats fair but thats more just the truth of big mods

[full edge]

I don't care for Cryptid and I don't care if people do care for Cryptid. I'll let them have their fun. Though I guess I'm trying to prevent some mechanical implementations I dislike from slipping out into other mods. I will make sure Blockbuster becomes the value manipulation default over Cryptlib, hahaha

[balmy tangle]

yeah except for the fact that the only big mod is cryptid. like, theres some other ones, but its the main one

[sleek granite]

what if i ditch my old mod and just make emojiokers

[prisma latch]

cryptid has some great ideas amd some cool implementations but i cant deny they can get drowned out by its sheer amount of content

[full edge]

You can definitely post stuff like that here, but there's a risk you'll get talked over by another Convo. #💻・modding-dev definitely works, though!

[grim rover]

finally got them all reworked

[full edge]

It's a mod pack wearing a single mod as a skinsuit. But that's the case for plenty of the bigger mods in Balatro. Part of why I'm blockbustering Kino, I guess

[full edge]

The initial letter being coloured is such a cute addition

[balmy tangle]

I mean my mod is designed to be 4 mods in a trench coat, except they are completely independent

[prisma latch]

i think kino is more alike a singular expansion, it has a consistent theme and introduces a small handful of new mechanics to get that theme across

as opposed to cryptid, which. has no theme and yes mechanics

[grand geode]

lobcorp is at least one mod in a ragged trenchcoat

[sleek granite]

kino has a lot of mechanics

[full edge]

Kino's cohesive only because of theme, haha. But spellcasting could be it's own content mod, entirely. (I might work on one when I feel like I've set up enough Blockbuster modules)

[prisma latch]

hodgepodge is
cohesive in that it is not cohesive

thats the deal. thats what it is. its a hodgepodge. its whatever i feel like at the moment

lol

[harsh glacier]

pta has no theme i have the right to put whatever i fucking want

[limber gull]

hey so i have the brainstorm mod available, i'm tryna roll for basically getting a 7 of clubs while opening an arcana pack and potentially copy it using death and the fool, how to do that?

is that possible?

[prisma latch]

i should make an alternatuve square logo for hodgepodge thats just the h in slices of all the different styles

[prisma latch]

as far as i remember brainstorm was pretty limited in what you could actually search for? there was a website that was a bit better but im not sure theres anything that tells you what playing cards youll draw in a tarot pack

could be wrong though

[limber gull]

i'm tryna get that one joker that you get when you play 4 seven of clubs

[eternal portal]

im cass

[prisma latch]

uhh you can use the 10 of clubs seed and death a few of them all the way back round again

idk

[limber gull]

hai cass

[limber gull]

huh

[prisma latch]

im the original ren

theres an erratic deck seed with all 10 of clubs

[limber gull]

don't have the erratic deck 😔

[prisma latch]

ah

maybe try searching for seeds with death and fool? or deaths in the shop not packs

[limber gull]

how that work

also doesn't a seeded run invalidate discoveries

[prisma latch]

idk

[eternal portal]

ren

[prisma latch]

cass

[limber gull]

this pisses me off

I'm the original starwalker

[eternal portal]

i agree

[limber gull]

can i just disable my mods

[storm forum]

You could, yes... or move the version.dll file out.

[limber gull]

i deleted it

mods aren't for me 😅

[round ore]

Mods aren't for me people when I show them insane numberslop

[limber gull]

whut

[prisma latch]

hey since it got nuked from existance can we start calling mfkaa just mfk

mod formerly known

not anymore

[full edge]

I always feel sorry for people that have questions about Brainstorm because I think the people that know how to work it don't hang out in these channels that much, haha

[prisma latch]

too busy working for nasa 😔

seed science scares me

[earnest eagle]

Aw

[prisma latch]

????

not me!!!!

im rensnek on github

if you catch me doing blockchain stuff shoot me dead where i stand

[earnest eagle]

help?

[full edge]

they say that every balatro mod list is going to look like this in the future

[earnest eagle]

@brisk seal Yo, did you do blind editions?

[brisk seal]

yes

[storm forum]

Just Module Things™

[earnest eagle]

Shit's fucked, apparently

[brisk seal]

As in it doesn’t work?

[earnest eagle]

Yurp

[sleek granite]

really deltarune fans /j

[earnest eagle]

There's 50-something citations for Kris on the DR wiki

[sleek granite]

what does that have to do with

[earnest eagle]

Same game

[sleek granite]

counters, spellcasting, valuemanip, Ft, abduction, popcorn seasonings

[prisma latch]

oh yeah what are ft and popcorn for

[earnest eagle]

Popcorn's food

[full edge]

Popcorn is confections, ft is force triggers

[crude verge]

fuck colour palette, rainworld joker

[full edge]

Might also make held items and biomes but those would be a lot more complex to set up

[earnest eagle]

Ooo, pretty

@brisk seal Sorry for the DM

[sleek granite]

i wonder if bepis is still BSRing

[wanton rapids]

are held items a new layer for cards?

like you could give The Leftovers to a joker and it'd have 1.1x mult or something

[full edge]

Yes. The idea would be that they're movable between jokers

[earnest eagle]

oh bugger me sideways and call me a prick, this is getting outta hand

[sleek granite]

held items where you can have effects increase the amount of holdable items

held items where you can have a joker with two slots

(idk im just yapping)

[full edge]

Yeah, leftovers that gives x1.1 mult when joker is triggered, or an Hearts engine that force triggers a joker whenever 5 hearts have been scored

[sleek granite]

valuemanip is interesting tho

[earnest eagle]

Or one that scores a card as a random enhancement?

[round elk]

Emptying Backpack (Rare)

+2 Joker slots (card itself occupies 1 slot, so technical +1 joker slot), +1 Consumable slot
Reduces interest cap by 2

[full edge]

But for held items to be interesting, I need the value manip and force trigger api in a good place. And for biomes to be interesting, I'd need the smods per object weight system to be added

[sleek granite]

held items are cool

[earnest eagle]

@full edge Is this a good idea?

[full edge]

I personally don't like quantum enhancements at all, but it could definitely work

[prisma latch]

do confections particularly need to be a library? oh wait no actually they do act differently to normal consumables dont they

[full edge]

There's a chance I might make them a separate thing from Blockbuster, because they'd really still be a content mod, but I want them separate so I can use them in other potential mods

[chilly pine]

obligatory uninteresting seal

[prisma latch]

what is jank

[chilly pine]

doesnt even work 💔

new scoring parameter

[earnest eagle]

What, like glop?

[chilly pine]

why is glop the generic new scoring parameter

[willow wolf]

GUYS

why the fuck are my runs stuck on ANTE 1

[sleek granite]

hi chat

[willow wolf]

HELP

[prisma latch]

no

purgatory

[drowsy parrot]

glop

[chilly pine]

ok pangaea

[willow wolf]

disabled cryptid

[chilly pine]

some fuck messed with ease ante or whatever the function is called

probably

[willow wolf]

IT WAS CRYPTID

[earnest eagle]

Weird, my Cryptid's ok

[willow wolf]

i used cryptid from main

[earnest eagle]

Same

[turbid ruin]

Day 1 of coding my mod until i lose my sanity

I lost it

What the fuck is lua

Even about

[willow wolf]

yeah even the latest version of cryptid

even release does this

[wanton rapids]

oh yeah cryptid has a bug that does that

[willow wolf]

im on steamodded 0930a

[earnest eagle]

827c

[turbid ruin]

You’re like 100 versions late

[earnest eagle]

I don't have the Cryptid bug

[turbid ruin]

How tf does steamodded have 900+ versions

[distant badge]

making challenge rules to disable my own mod’s stuff…

[prisma latch]

i should mess with negative mult more, its smth my mod experiments with but not as much as it could

[shy quail]

Its my consumeable. Its like a mini-tarot

[prisma latch]

a joker that sends you backwards in progression if you score negative the blind requirement would be interesting

[full edge]

It was released on the 30th day of the 9th month

[turbid ruin]

OHHHH

0930

[earnest eagle]

C uck chair in my balala!

[distant badge]

why do you have a beta version of perkeo

[earnest eagle]

Oh, that's from the Perk-O-Lating mod

[turbid ruin]

But you have 0😭

[round ore]

LETS GOOOOOOOO

Thanks everyone for their help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chilly pine]

coolio

[round ore]

i still have stuff to figure out but i'm starting somewhere! ^v^ I will moer than likely have more questions

[crude verge]

little nightmares

[turbid ruin]

Oh it’s the

Inscryption

Stoat

[round ore]

YEAH!!!!

[turbid ruin]

Cool

[chilly pine]

have you heard of balatro inscrybed

[round ore]

is there already an inscryption mod???? :(

[turbid ruin]

Idunno

[chilly pine]

yeah but you can still do it

theres like 5 alternate balatros

if anything i think seeing other interpretations would be neat

[frigid mica]

What is the Jimboest Jimbo that ever Jimbo’d?
A. Gros Michel
B. Mimbo
C. Jimbothy
D. Gary.

[chilly pine]

wheres jeff

[formal orchid]

being worked on still

[turbid ruin]

Balls

[formal orchid]

asa gives off kate vibes

[frigid mica]

I don’t want him, he’s too gay to make it too the list of slightly gay Jimbomen

[chilly pine]

wtf

[round ore]

gonna have to beat em to the punch >:3

[chilly pine]

this is discrimination

[formal orchid]

goodluck

[frigid mica]

Sorry I will add him to the list

E. Jeff

[turbid ruin]

Shut up

[chilly pine]

E

if i feel like it sure

okay im bored

@formal orchid how is the playing card merging going

[frigid mica]

Jokergraphy

What is Groser? Michel or Cave N Dish

[chilly pine]

jeff

[frigid mica]

He’s too Exotic to make it to the list of common Bananas

[chilly pine]

wtf

this is exotiscrimination

[frigid mica]

Sorry I will add him to the list

[turbid ruin]

Is ruby still banned

[frigid mica]

Michel, Cave N Dish, or Jeffxotic

[chilly pine]

jeff

[earnest eagle]

...wait why was she banned

[frigid mica]

Ok imma be fr, I had no idea Ruby was banned.

Wtf happened?

Did she get into a fight or sum

[turbid ruin]

Are you stupid

😭😭

[frigid mica]

I thought this was a bit we’re all doing

[turbid ruin]

Why the fuck do you think people have

….

Alright bro😭

[chilly pine]

who is ruby

[earnest eagle]

Entropy mod maker

[frigid mica]

Entropy dude

[chilly pine]

who is entropy

[frigid mica]

entropy makes entropic joker

[turbid ruin]

Die

[chilly pine]

who is entropic joker

[frigid mica]

Anaptyxi

[earnest eagle]

WHOA

[chilly pine]

who is Anaptyxi

[frigid mica]

You rolled a 4.

[chilly pine]

woah thats pretty high

[turbid ruin]

Is it a d20?

[frigid mica]

Uhh idk

[chilly pine]

who is idk

[earnest eagle]

d100

[frigid mica]

You said die, so you rolled a die.

[turbid ruin]

D6 or D20

[frigid mica]

It’s a D Infinity

[turbid ruin]

Go fuck yourself 😭

[frigid mica]

You can switch between dices if you like

[formal orchid]

im not at home

[frigid mica]

That’s why D infinity is powerful.

[chilly pine]

that would make sense

mb

[frigid mica]

Ever tried getting a Polyphemus before

[turbid ruin]

Ever sinned before and got sent to hell ?

Because you definitely will be sent to hell

Hell is awesome i heard you don’t die there

[chilly pine]

i mean i dont plan to go to hell anyways so

[turbid ruin]

Surely your actions won’t have consequences and you won’t end up there tho

So don’t worry

[chilly pine]

i dont plan on dying any time soon so thats ok

[frigid mica]

I will uhh… I will do horrible things to Satan.

I will tell him to play Jen’s Almanac.

I will tell him to play Cryptid.

[turbid ruin]

Satan hop on black ops 7 it’s only 89.9$

[frigid mica]

This week on evilscaling: Is Satan on Fraudwatch??

[turbid ruin]

Oh ! What’s that ? Pfff no of course your money doesn’t go into funding wars on other countries are you crazy ?

[daring sluice]

what mod is this

[frigid mica]

Show a screenshot?

[earnest eagle]

How’s my F5 looking?

[turbid ruin]

You really have no thoughts in that brain

[daring sluice]

idk it's on your keyboard you tell me

[frigid mica]

I’m so fucked up man.

[earnest eagle]

I mean Flush 5

[frigid mica]

Not even weed compares.

[daring sluice]

real...

[frigid mica]

This reminds me, I should probably make that Metal Face joker. (It’s an MF DOOM joker that gives a death tarot if you play an ace and a king)

[frigid mica]

Is it broken or what?

Doesn’t matter if they don’t score, just that they’re played.

[turbid ruin]

Sorry i’m just a casual hater

[frigid mica]

Middle finger

[tranquil vessel]

If you're good at something, never do it for free

[frigid mica]

Waste of time, no.

[turbid ruin]

I do it for the enjoyment of making people angry

[chilly pine]

ugly ass seal 💔

[turbid ruin]

You’re right you better spend that time coming up with bullshit ideas

[frigid mica]

What did I even do to you

[turbid ruin]

Even the background is ass

[chilly pine]

okay

[tardy sigil]

Bro got the mouldy seal

[chilly pine]

taupe is like a dark beige

[unkempt current]

Tape

[tardy sigil]

What

[lost inlet]

the funny

?

[tardy sigil]

I don't understand the joker

[chilly pine]

every ^chips operator becomes Xchips with its value timed by 1.5

so ^2 would become X3

[lost inlet]

if a joker gives, say, ^2 chips it will instead give X3 chips

[chilly pine]

LMAO

[lost inlet]

jinx

get me a soda

[chilly pine]

diet cola

[tardy sigil]

Okay yeah

That makes sense

Kinda

[chilly pine]

🤷

[prisma latch]

whi put thermal paste on my card

[earnest eagle]

Beige seal? Whassat do?

[chilly pine]

scroll down

[earnest eagle]

I'm at the bottom of chat

[chilly pine]

scroll up

[earnest eagle]

There is no more down to scroll

[earnest eagle]

What do they do?

(Interface cards)

[chilly pine]

no idea

[earnest eagle]

Rename Chrome to Chromium

[round ore]

Common Chrome L

Another W for Firefox

[earnest eagle]

I personally like Floorp

[analog narwhal]

What is a score-calculator that is compatible with other mods?

[round ore]

Animating Jokers is possible, right?

[chilly pine]

yes

[earnest eagle]

How'd you think we got the hologram's scanning animation

[round ore]

OH RIGHT

Forgot about that mf

[earnest eagle]

It's a combo of that+the soul layer

[round ore]

what the Kentucky fried fuck

[earnest eagle]

And that's how ASA got banned

Oh boy!

[junior rock]

what happened

[formal orchid]

I havent seen the mrbeast scam in a while

Wonder if they gave up on that

[fathom gust]

they probably get blitzed in like 1 nanosecond

[formal orchid]

🤔🤔

[round ore]

Is this TOO good? Or should i keep the effect to just sigils?

[junior rock]

what is a sigil

[round ore]

I’m making an inscryption mod; sigils are what give the cards in THAT game their effects

Brainstorming Ron

Ron

RN

[fathom gust]

??

also 1 in 6 chance to rename goes crazy

[junior rock]

"add its effect"?

[round ore]

Example:

[junior rock]

what are you confused about

[round ore]

Sacrifice Jumbo; you can add the +4 Mult it gives to another Joker, or a card in hand, etc.

[fathom gust]

dear god

[fathom gust]

+1e16 area slots

[chilly pine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1397999050384605228/1425120817015951360/youtube-dkySLyd-BvU.mp4?ex=68e66eb0&is=68e51d30&hm=48b1da144e0ede5aefae95f7c8f16272245b49c5ff7956f1b9ec6c7a60bf940e&

[prisma latch]

salted caramel chocolate joker in real life????

[round ore]

That looks delicious

[chilly pine]

it does

[primal valley]

what the hell am i witnessing

jhc

is this polterworx ce

[chilly pine]

pwx:ce 💔

[prisma latch]

what does the ce stand for

[chilly pine]

community edition

50% sure its referencing ptuce

[vivid seal]

at what point does balatro become nothing but a vessel for who can score a higher number

[edgy galleon]

tf they supposed to use, the apple calculator ⁉️

[hard plank]

hmmm yes today I will use WolframAlpha to calculate arithmetically

[young bridge]

Hey, sorry to bother you guys but I have encountered an error and I can't seem to fix it

[chilly pine]

a bad lovely patch has resulted in this crash

[hard plank]

what mods do you have

[young bridge]

these are the mods that I have

I have tried reinstalling Lovely but it doesn't seem to fix anything

[toxic cloud]

seems like a Talisman error

which version of Talisman is installed

another thing to note that Multiplayer has conflicts with Talisman (Fantom's Preview integration cannot handle bignum)

[young bridge]

I have the latest version of Talisman

[manic summit]

You need to delete old folders before updating

also update cryptid

[young bridge]

Oh it worked

Thanks

I thought I had Cryptid Updated

Thank you guys

[hard plank]

uh

do you think me making wordle blind made me better at wordle

[keen knoll]

doesnt sound very lovely to me

[deft ore]

yes

[worn bone]

aikiyori have you played lingo 2 yet

[hard plank]

no

[worn bone]

you should and then get 5000 ideas for letter cards/blinds

[worn dagger]

Niko from one shot what is your opinion on starspace

[cloud cipher]

You won't believe it but I'm optimizing mayhem
Unfortunately i am suffering
Is there any function thats called EVERY TIME mult/chips is modified and is there a way to update the color of ui elements because im setting their color to a gradient

[gilded vortex]

Have you watched someone play Lingo 2

[worn dagger]

🔏

[woven orchid]

probably SMODS.Scoring_Parameter.(Chips/Mult):modify

[cloud cipher]

Didn't really work all that well
I think i needed put in in an event but I'm trying update_hand_text hook now because I'm desperate

[fathom gust]

oh.

[pastel surge]

uh oh

[fathom gust]

i think this is impossible

like actually

[hard plank]

no

[fathom gust]

unless you have burgular trigger like 50 times before starting the boss rush

[woven orchid]

i’m so tired but can’t sleep because i’m at school already

[worn dagger]

Evil co*k

[eternal portal]

why is the number like this

[worn dagger]

Anyways who needs a picture

[eternal portal]

its just ^0.75

[worn dagger]

Let me find an image to cheer you up

[woven orchid]

cart

[ivory sinew]

Cats

[worn bone]

is this from unik's?

[chilly pine]

milestones in question

[eternal portal]

carb

[wanton rapids]

...cassette?

[full edge]

Do they function like achievements, or do they ever reset?

[chilly pine]

theyre like pseudo achievements? idk how to describe it

i will add jokers that mess with its status

[full edge]

I'm kinda itching to reimplement a better version of quests and make that a blockbuster api as well 🤔

They're mod specific achievements that content in your mod can care about, is what I'd guess is happening, right?

[chilly pine]

yuh

[full edge]

Do you track all relevant stuff from your mod's calculate?

[chilly pine]

wdym

[full edge]

How ominous

[full edge]

How are the milestones tracked, I mean, haha

[chilly pine]

oh

in the profile

[pastel crag]

How do you translate the game into another language?

I looked into the mods, but does the game support unofficial modded langages?

[chilly pine]

G.PROFILES[G.SETTINGS.profile].milestones[key], specifically

[main path]

SMODS has official language support
https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki/SMODS.Language

but yeah the base game doesnt have unofficial language support afaik

[pastel crag]

So I can, for example, make a langauge for spanish but not for, let's say "toki pona?"

*make entries that is

[chilly pine]

i mean nothing you can't do its just if you can cleverly patch it in

[main path]

oh
what i meant is that
you could definitely make a mod that provides a toki pona translation

[forest knoll]

no, SMODS.Language exists for no reason and it's just there to specifically mislead you and spite you /j

(yes)

[pastel crag]

lol haha

[chilly pine]

pirate speak language

[pastel crag]

that would be cool, ngl

like the meme languages for minecraft?

[balmy tangle]

is anyone else getting this weird behavior where lucky cat "upgrades" before the lucky proc? Is that a new issue with steamodded 827?

[eternal portal]

yes

[worn dagger]

More kitty

[balmy tangle]

the great meower

[main path]

<@&1133519078540185692>

[worn dagger]

<@&1133519078540185692>

[balmy tangle]

why cant i ping mods lmao

[pastel surge]

somewhere in here is photochad

[balmy tangle]

anyway thanks mods

[worn dagger]

Mods what do you think about my cats?

[chilly pine]

but nobody came

[full edge]

What mod is that deck from?

[pastel surge]

my mod
the one im making

[full edge]

Ah, I just assumed it was some cryptid related mod, haha

Nice cardback

[worn bone]

speaking of which, ruby is still banned right

[worn dagger]

“Tiny magic hedgehog destroyed”

[balmy tangle]

oh shit wait what
since when

[worn bone]

couple days ago

for being mean to an ai bro

[balmy tangle]

damn

never mess with ai bros
they can use predictive text way faster than you can type

[umbral pilot]

I miss ruby

[worn bone]

this is where you contact the mods about it

[balmy tangle]

oh shit wait we've got a lyra fan in chat rn

well, 2

[delicate dust]

LMAO

[fathom gust]

well shit 😭

[worn bone]

what do you mean multiplied by ^0.75

[fathom gust]

im gonna be real i forgot to change the description of that

[hardy brook]

What?

[obtuse quiver]

[worn bone]

????????????????

https://youtu.be/rsufGY5I8jA?feature=shared

[woven crag]

wtf is that

[worn bone]

i dont know

[fathom gust]

i misread that as "close to me"
and immediately thought

[blazing verge]

enchancements just for like a single joker

[deft ore]

cat card

[blazing verge]

card cat actually

[eternal portal]

hi

[wanton rapids]

<@&1133519078540185692>

[grave panther]

thx

[fathom gust]

2 cryptobros in less than 6 hours

insane

[civic atlas]

not that insane

balatro is a pretty big server

[exotic belfry]

I've seen more in less time

[eternal portal]

rude

i just said hi

[wanton rapids]

my apologies

[umbral pilot]

be nice to cass

smh

[eternal portal]

im cass

[zenith loom]

h

[plush hound]

im tyler

[north inlet]

i spent way too much time on this

[north inlet]

put vampiremask in there

[zenith loom]

expensive ruby

wtf santa claus is here

[zenith loom]

omg hi nxkoo

[north inlet]

Ho ho ho

[keen knoll]

im candy

[plush hound]

RILEY HAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

[forest knoll]

i'm old!

[plush hound]

is Steam down for you guys

[forest knoll]

no

[plush hound]

what

[sand loom]

Wasn’t missing and dependencies just had to add a line of text to steammodded to get the specific mod to work

[forest knoll]

front page is fine, taking a bit longer to load when i try to go to a game page but it's still working fine

[keen knoll]

im not

[exotic belfry]

It is for me

[zenith loom]

howve you beennn

[exotic belfry]

Oh well it was

[indigo egret]

ask me about my mod or something

[keen knoll]

hiii guys

[indigo egret]

the cat joker tears apart the fabric of the universe if played hand contains more than 1 card btw

It destroys a random joker and sets ante to -3

[keen knoll]

hiii

[indigo egret]

hiiii

[plush hound]

huh

Steam geeking

[plush hound]

im fineeeeeeeeeee hbuuuuuuuuuu

[zenith loom]

not horrible

got some dr pepper

[keen knoll]

im candy

hi

[exotic belfry]

the goat

Of mainstream at least

[plush hound]

dr beba

[storm forum]

Maintenance.

[keen knoll]

im candy

[plush hound]

fairsies

cant play TF2

[keen knoll]

hi

hiiii

[pastel surge]

i have a question

does ante -8 have a finisher blind

[drowsy parrot]

ig find out about it yourself

[pastel surge]

how do i reach ante -8

[main path]

you can enter
eval ease_ante(-9)
in the debug+ console

[pastel surge]

i see

[wanton rapids]

ante 0 doesn't so probably not

[fathom gust]

no

[pastel surge]

sad

[umbral pilot]

when does hotpot

[full edge]

Added a separate way to check if a variable should be rounded to an integer, so you don't get cards that generate 2.4 cards

[drowsy parrot]

october 4th

remember that twin

[north inlet]

what if you sell that joker and then get 3 copies of it, then 9, then 27, then 81

[full edge]

I'm not sure it works like that, haha. I don't think I've ever used that joker in a run

[north inlet]

holy deckfixing

[pastel surge]

free deckfixing 1991 no virus

[north inlet]

deckfixing at the cost of dying from no points

worth it

[pastel surge]

its not worth it

[north inlet]

its so worth it

play 3 high cards with 4 unscoring cards

[coarse prairie]

Every Disease know to mankind is currently residing on his body

[pastel surge]

what about the unknown ones

like common cold 2

[humble rampart]

he deserves it

[north inlet]

thats just uncommon cold

[coarse prairie]

you guys forgot about epic cold

[north inlet]

nobody beats exotic cold

[pastel surge]

legendary cold

[coarse prairie]

Exotic tier cold

[woven crag]

entropic cold

[barren ridge]

empyrean cold

[primal valley]

uhhhh

what was the max rarity in polterworx again...

oh right

omnipotent cold

[umbral pilot]

sbubby colb

[lost bolt]

like the terraria modded composer?

[fathom gust]

wanted to see how horrific cryptid is when my mod is active

[keen falcon]

is it acceptable to play modded before 100%ing vanilla

[junior rock]

youre allowed to do what you want

[lost bolt]

personally i think you should at least gold stake one deck that isn't checkered but you can do what you want forever

[primal valley]

ahhhh yes

[wind panther]

question does a mobile balatro mod manager interface exist

if not then i kinda. wanna make one lmao

[fierce mist]

I did that with the hex-card deck (forgot the name, the one Therm did)

[primal valley]

the classic

[primal valley]

not yet

[wind panther]

bet

[fierce mist]

you shouldn't. not yet

[junior rock]

dont talk about it here though #📜・modding-rules

[wind panther]

ah alr

[fathom gust]

if mobile modding is disallowed then why are you asking this

[lost bolt]

royal decree says no modding outside pc here

[wind panther]

i wasn't aware, sorry

[junior rock]

discussing it here isnt allowed

[junior rock]

discussing*

[keen falcon]

wait... say that again...

[full edge]

Also added a way to cap specific values if you want to for #1406740128231194644

[lost bolt]

speaking of is this close enough to have an implied "JOKER" text (it's supposed to be the signature)

[junior rock]

no

[full edge]

so you can prevent your game from breaking when value manipulation would make you generate 1e300 tarots

[full edge]

I would not be able to decipher that as reading Joker, I reckon

[lost bolt]

hm

[woven crag]

couldnt you already do this with the old system. cryptid literally has jokers with limits to effects by having an immutable cap

[junior rock]

at least its not even clearly "implicit" to me, i only know that its meant to be because you told me it is

[keen falcon]

dont do checkered like that bro 😭

[full edge]

I suspect Cryptid has a similar thing yeah. But Cryptid's system having QoL stuff built in is no reason for me to not do it, haha

[lost bolt]

i saw someone who gold staked checkered but hadnt even black staked any other deck

[earnest eagle]

Do it on entropic stake

[full edge]

I suspect mine is a bit more customizable, though, but I'm not sure how that's dealt with in Cryptid. Mine allows you to set a per mod max, rather than force a global maximum, due to how the standards are set up to work. Leaves a lot more space open for variable names to not conflict with each other

[woven crag]

i thought entropic stake got removed

in the rebalance

[keen falcon]

gonna try to gold stake black deck first

[earnest eagle]

Oops! The game crashed:

Syntax error: card.lua:2229: <goto continue2> jumps into the scope of local 'edi'


A bad lovely patch has resulted in this crash.


Additional Context:
Balatro Version: 1.0.1o-FULL
Modded Version: 1.0.0~BETA-0827c-STEAMODDED
LÖVE Version: 11.5.0
Lovely Version: 0.8.0
Platform: Windows

Stack Traceback
===============
(3)  C function 'function: 0x0104c800'
(4) global C function 'require'
(5) main chunk of file 'main.lua' at line 900
(6) global C function 'require'
(7) LÖVE function at file 'boot.lua:323' (best guess)
Local variables:
 c = table: 0x01051f40  {identity:false, version:11.5, accelerometerjoystick:true, modules:table: 0x01052118, gammacorrect:false, title:Balatro, externalstorage:false (more...)}
 openedconsole = boolean: false
 confok = boolean: true
 conferr = nil
(8) global C function 'xpcall'
(9) LÖVE function at file 'boot.lua:362' (best guess)
Local variables:
 result = boolean: true
(10) global C function 'xpcall'
(11) LÖVE function at file 'boot.lua:377' (best guess)
Local variables:
 func = Lua function '(LÖVE Function)' (defined at line 355 of chunk [love "boot.lua"])
 inerror = boolean: true
 deferErrhand = Lua function '(LÖVE Function)' (defined at line 348 of chunk [love "boot.lua"])
 earlyinit = Lua function '(LÖVE Function)' (defined at line 355 of chunk [love "boot.lua"])

[woven crag]

cryptid jokers just have a value in an immutable table/value and then use math.min with it and the value to be capped

[keen falcon]

im js built different

[delicate dust]

shi... i mean...

how could you NOT?

[storm forum]

...I didn't beat a single Gold Stake before dropping into modding. 😂

[delicate dust]

i'd probably look at what it does code wise before picking it up though LMFAO

[earnest eagle]

What mod?

[full edge]

Oh, but you'd have to set that individually on every joker, then?

[delicate dust]

what sort of question is this?

[junior rock]

does this mean you can't sell mods

[delicate dust]

sorry if that sounds rude but man

[woven crag]

individually per value

[fathom gust]

cryptid (eck) and my mod

[delicate dust]

u don't owe anyone shit, do whatever u want

[full edge]

I mean, the capping itself isn't the difficult part, haha, regardless

[delicate dust]

its a singleplayer game afterall

[earnest eagle]

What's your mod called?

[fathom gust]

isotypical's junkyard

though it's a lil unstable

[fierce mist]

I'd personally say no. They must be free for all

[fathom gust]

by

a lot

[umbral pilot]

selling mods 😭

[junior rock]

as in that's your personal opinion or that's your interpretation of this clause

[delicate dust]

😭

[full edge]

per value per object, or do values that share names get treated the same? I've not done a deep dive on Cryptid's current implementation, besides reading up enough to be able to get the conversion working again

[wind panther]

i think so, don't risk it

[woven crag]

i dont think it does since spectred has paywalled mods

[fierce mist]

interpretation

[lost bolt]

i should make a mod without testing it once

[full edge]

This stuff is so legally untested that regardless of what you think, the only way to find out is a lawsuit

[umbral pilot]

yes, #1413687995378176021 works fine with balatro on Microsoft Windows 11 PC and Linux kernels, no matter the form factor

[fierce mist]

Cryptid 2?

[woven crag]

balatrue

[delicate dust]

nice i like that one

[wind panther]

i just shot LocalThunk an email at his general contact email talking about whether or not i would be allowed to make a mobile interface for BMM, and i'm gonna leave it at that for here

[umbral pilot]

their official policy in this server is that it's not allowed to be discussed unfortunately

[wind panther]

:wah:

[drowsy parrot]

true!

[full edge]

LocalThunk cannot say yes for the same reason the TOS exists

[woven crag]

i mean i dont think anyone can stop you, you just cant discuss it here

[wind panther]

i see

[delicate dust]

localthunk found dead in chicago

[woven crag]

also yeah

[umbral pilot]

although I do sob a bit at the fact we cant chat about pc builds ported to mobile

since those are legally fine and do not break any TOS

[junior rock]

not necessarily

[wind panther]

sorry about all this '^^

[fierce mist]

It's fine

[full edge]

As the official dev, he and the publisher have an agreement to abide by TOS and not officiale endorse or affiliate with content that breaks that, like lovely injection on phones

[fathom gust]

omfg im so dumb

[fierce mist]

I've asked dumber questions

[fathom gust]

😭

[umbral pilot]

lovely techically doesnt do that using lmm

just plane old simple patching

[indigo egret]

i made a mod with jokers of my favorite game and the creator responded (kinda?)

[full edge]

Oh neat

[lost bolt]

half joking cause my pc is out of commission right now 😭

[indigo egret]

The developer wondered what the fuck was going on

[wind panther]

wonder if installing the balatro apk on a quest 2 (android based) would count as a separate platform than mobile

[umbral pilot]

but yeah, it's a hard line to walk since anything that appears like mobile modding seems like an endorsement of it

[indigo egret]

and one of the character's VAs said "the mod was made by someone who's banned from here btw" like a nerd

[delicate dust]

modding desktop balatro using a mobile code editor 🔥

[lost bolt]

i have like

[fathom gust]

great way to self report right there
(unless you were unfairly banned)

[lost bolt]

something thats not a pc but not a phone (a bigger phone)

[delicate dust]

wtf 😭

[woven crag]

didnt he literally just say this was like. about a mod with stuff from another game

[drowsy parrot]

va????

[woven crag]

what is being self reported here exactly

[umbral pilot]

yeah lol idk

[indigo egret]

in another server

totally unrelated to Balatro

[indigo egret]

Voice Actor

[delicate dust]

yeah not here

[fierce mist]

(I love how we always go off-topic. There's no rails for this train)

[drowsy parrot]

no ik

[fathom gust]

we never had any rails to begin with

[indigo egret]

can you really call this off-topic

[fierce mist]

Exactly!

[indigo egret]

It's surrounding a mod of the game

[full edge]

Assume general rule of thumb is that if it's not clear if you can talk about the device you're modding, then don't in any official spaces.

[umbral pilot]

yeah

if you use -mm then it'll be functionally the same as desktop

[fierce mist]

Well, it was about if selling mods are fine and now it's about mod devs getting banned from discord servers. Two different mods

[umbral pilot]

mm means mod manager obviously

[formal wedge]

mm stands for mmm, morebalatro

[delicate dust]

mm means mimbo mumbo actually

[umbral pilot]

lmm means lovely mod manager

[indigo egret]

Let me guess, the selling mods dilemma was the mr game and watch jimbo mod

[full edge]

Time to dive back into Cryptid code again, I guess

[umbral pilot]

selling mods in general gives me the yucks

[delicate dust]

i wish mercy on your soul

[balmy tangle]

actually mm stands for mmmm or marvin's marvelous mechanical museum

[umbral pilot]

I would never do it

[fierce mist]

same

[indigo egret]

MMMMMMMM LUNCH TIME

[drowsy parrot]

mtm means male to male, girls

[fierce mist]

Like, why? Why would you, barring unfiltered/lightly filtered greed?

[umbral pilot]

nevermind lovely 0.9.0 is going to be a paid release on my patreon

[delicate dust]

i cant imagine working on a passion project for something u truly love and being met with indifference by the people u look up to

[full edge]

With how collaborative and iterative modding spaces can be, even accepting donations can be a bit iffy, honestly

[umbral pilot]

I look up to @exotic shadow

[delicate dust]

goated

[lost bolt]

I look up to @lost bolt

[umbral pilot]

I've been offered donations before but it wouldnt be care considering the amount of work other people have put in too

[fierce mist]

I look up to the general sky, I don't care where I'm going.

[umbral pilot]

and I have a job where I get paid well

so I dont need donos

[lost bolt]

give me all your money

[fierce mist]

No wonder I get lost in circles.

[drowsy parrot]

wlw means winners love winning, men

[fierce mist]

No, it's Wumbo, Little Wumbo!

[junior rock]

donations arent even really iffy. if you can "donate" for lobbying then you can donate to someone who's working on a mod lol

[umbral pilot]

donations I would get just wouldnt amount to anything

it wouldnt be worth tarnishing my repuation

especially for like 40 bucks a month, probably less than that

it's a waste of time

[turbid heart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1401984872138149928/1425193481386856498/image.png?ex=68e6b25c&is=68e560dc&hm=273cb405e93c89cf6ff379a4c710037211f3041f73f872c8d00c929fa578d9ec&

balala

[junior rock]

how would it be tarnishing your reputation

[indigo egret]

imagine making a mod for a game based on the things you like and one of the VAs of said thing says something like "this was made by someone who got banned in our server you won't find any info of the mod here"

[full edge]

Yeah, it feels weird being the focus of donations when there's so much shared effort. I've not had people offer to donate because of how cool #1340334060597285025 is, but I would feel icky accepting it just due to how much of the functionality that makes my shit possible is done by you and the lovely contributors, and Aure/eremel and the smods contributors. And N for ghostwriting a lot of code ofc.

[umbral pilot]

because lovely is worked on by a lot of people, not just myself. I guess donations wouldnt tarnish my reputation but it changes the incentivisation structure of the work.

[fathom gust]

oh they were just rubbing it in?

[umbral pilot]

we do it for free because we love what we do

[indigo egret]

this sounds crazy out of context

[umbral pilot]

yeah. and I mean im sure it would be fine, but I would never be morally ok with it

[fierce mist]

One question left, you're a developer for lovely?

[umbral pilot]

yes, im ethan

[woven crag]

john lovely

[fierce mist]

Well, cheers to you Ethan!

[umbral pilot]

I made lovely and continue to maintain it with the help of WilsonTheWolf, CG, ejw, and with contributions from like 10 other people who have helped out in the past

[indigo egret]

JOHN LOVELY???

YOU'RE JOHN LOVELY THE CREATOR OF LOVELY??

[turbid heart]

whys it immoral for people to give you money for your work on something because it isnt entirely your own?

[umbral pilot]

Wilson, CG, and ejw are all also contributors to SMODS so they should get a huge thanks if you see them in here

[turbid heart]

if they're not paying under any misconception of what you are doing

[full edge]

Also, the moment you start accepting Kofi dono's for your mod, you need to be a whole lot more careful with the assets and code you use. I know I had copied some of Autumn's code in the past, and while I think most of that's gone, I'm not sure how much is still in there and it'd create all kinds of awkward domino trails as far as credit, and whether licenses would allow you to profit in any way

[turbid heart]

or false pretenses

[umbral pilot]

Wilson is the DebugPlus guy

[plush hound]

give me money

[umbral pilot]

because I'm personally gaining from the unpaid labor of other people

I'm not personally morally ok with that

[delicate dust]

guh...

[umbral pilot]

so I would much rather just not involve money in the first place

[full edge]

Because nobody's gonna put in the work to actually see how a mod is set up, and whether it doesn't step on toes

[fierce mist]

Because you're saying some people aren't allowed to see your work. Plus, you're profiting of off someone else's work, and that's a bit of a legal issue

[turbid heart]

huh? what does this first one mean

why would you say some people arent allowed to see your work

[full edge]

But I personally also wouldn't throw a fuss if someone made like 300 dollars total for a mod, over a period of time. I just wouldn't, myself

[delicate dust]

paywalled mod

[turbid heart]

its not like you're selling the mod

thats not whats being talked about though

[turbid heart]

wdym?

[junior rock]

but youre not selling it. youre receiving donations for it. its not paywalled

[turbid heart]

thats a reasonable stance

[fierce mist]

Misunderstood that part

[turbid heart]

im not sure how much you can legally own code anyway, as unfortunate as it is

[junior rock]

youre also arent really proffiting off of someone else's work because it isnt paywalled

[umbral pilot]

lovely has like 2 million downloads in total across all platforms. we would probably get like 50 bucks a month TOPS on donations. split across all of us it's not really worth the hassle

you invite a lot of drama for not much gain

[junior rock]

but thats a different issue entirely

[turbid heart]

dont disagree with you on that, just a bit confused on it being a moral issue yea

[junior rock]

im fine if that was the reason but the moral issue is the one i completely disagree with

[indigo egret]

the Mr Game and Watch jimbo incident

[full edge]

I don't wanna drag up old controversy, but Jen's Almanac is a prime example. The controversy that's framed as being about permission to use assets that weren't made was kick-started by people learning about the fact that large sums of money were donated to that mod, and neither the donators nor the dev seemed to actually be able to say what stuff in the mod was made by them and what wasn't. On a scale as small as balatro modding, legality is lip service because no one is going to involve lawyers, but there's very reasonable questions to be asked about ownership and use of licenses in that case

[umbral pilot]

it makes me morally uncomfortable. personal morals are not a universal provable thing, so it's ok to disagree.

[umbral pilot]

I'm just saying that it makes me personally uncomfortable

[eternal portal]

cedit

[main path]

credit card in the deck

[fierce mist]

cedit

[full edge]

I'm definitely missing some nuance to the past events there, by the way, but I struggled to come up with a more relevant example

[delicate dust]

credit card in the pack deck

deck pack

fuck

[lost bolt]

Go up to $20 in debt while held in hand ???

[junior rock]

thats an issue of crediting rather than having anything to do with donations, imo.

[desert mirage]

john lovel

[woven crag]

why so redefined

[lost bolt]

also buffoon pack as the next card

[turbid heart]

yeah that doesnt seem like a moral issue, and more an issue relating to someone abusing the system and misattributing credit. i dont think thats a moral argument against the idea, more than it is an argument of why it'd not work in practice

[fierce mist]

Donations for a mod, that's mostly fine. Presuming no paywalls, it's fine from a person-to-person stance. I probably wouldn't, as I'd see it as I shouldn't, but you could

[turbid heart]

ya

[delicate dust]

the only question i have (and im not here to argue about anything, just curious) is: why want donations?

[turbid heart]

need money

[delicate dust]

fair enough lmao

[junior rock]

people are broke

[lost bolt]

we've got to have

money...

[wanton lintel]

yeah donations are hard to fucking deal with from what i can tell
like if theres more than 2 devs its just not worth it to do donations
the amount aint that much usually and dividing it amongst a whole mod team can lead to ppl getting the same as someone who has done like 2 things

[junior rock]

but why don't you think you should?

[full edge]

I would emphatically say it's not. Assets may not have been given permission to be used if the person knew donations was part of the set up. While we can say that donations are always just a nice gesture to a creator you enjoy, there's a huge difference between when someone actively pushes donation links on their platform focused on that mod. (Though, I will also say, this is not what happened with Jen's, as far as I'm aware!)

[wanton lintel]

greed

[formal wedge]

the threat of capitalism does not stop even if you are making a mod...

[delicate dust]

that varies from person to person i feel like

[fierce mist]

because of what I've said, it would feel like I'm profiting off of it.

[turbid heart]

least obvious bait

[junior rock]

so then its an issue of informed consent, not an issue of donations inherently.

[lost bolt]

donations split by number of lines changed on git clearly (JOKE(

[desert mirage]

i should get a free meal deal for working on the hatchet mod

[eternal portal]

Buffoon Pack in the Credit Card

[desert mirage]

if someone gives me £3.50 i will add them as a joker /j

IM KIDDING IMKDIDING

[full edge]

Yeah, I guess my point is more so that informed consent is incredibly difficult when it comes to iterative and community-driven projects such as a mod build on a framework, with a lot of open source content

[formal wedge]

hey guys i suddenly found 3.50 euros, what should i spend it on?

[delicate dust]

for 3 euro im adding u as a joker

[fierce mist]

your lunch

[delicate dust]

business is booming

[turbid heart]

i dont think asking this is inherently unreasonable either tbh

[barren ridge]

invest it in a very low yield bond, within a few years you'll have 4 euros

[turbid heart]

like i know its meant as a joke but asking for money to add something that you have to work on isnt an inherently nonsensical idea

[umbral pilot]

hello

[eternal portal]

i will do absolutely nothing for 5$, kofi in bio

[turbid heart]

even if its just using the api, that isn't nothing

ppl get paid minimum wage for things that require about the same amount of effort and time

[junior rock]

payment for creation is very different to payment for access as well

[formal wedge]

ill pay 3 euros to get added as a joker, then in 10 years ill sell me as a joker for 2k euros

[umbral pilot]

I mean it's FINE asking for donations

I wont do it

I will not judge you for it

[turbid heart]

completely reasonable

[umbral pilot]

However I will judge you for paywalling a mod

[desert mirage]

ok but on a serious note whenever my close friends ask me for art-based commissionary help, im like "either pay for my tesco meal deal or dont pay at all"

[umbral pilot]

I'm just not in-line with that kind of thing

[distant badge]

turning off the thermostat

[umbral pilot]

I was against it when it was a problem is Skyrim mods, I still dont really appreciate it now

You CAN do it and it's fine if you do

Well I guess not now hahahaha

You know what I mean though

[plush hound]

cough

Garry's Mod

[turbid heart]

? wdym

[woven crag]

is this not literally just commissions but slightly different

[turbid heart]

yes

thats my point

[umbral pilot]

commissions are fine

[fierce mist]

Like $5 commission is real cheap

[junior rock]

I'm okay with paywalled content so long as you have the rights to sell what you are selling

[main path]

imo if i were to have a dono page for a mod
i'd put like a paragraph or 2 detailing exactly where the money is going and how the money is split between contributors
Even then though, i dont think i'd put up a dono page for a mod unless people were begging me to

[lost bolt]

i would open a kofi but i dont really like how it exposes both sides full names and probably address atp idk

[umbral pilot]

goes against what localthunk wants, which is fair

[solid ivy]

Bro I have Alzheimer or what

[full edge]

I've got a lot of free assets that I made in the past floating about on the internet. I don't much care about licensing (Regardless of which license I assign, I always just add a disclaimer to my stuff saying 'you can use these assets without credit as long as you don't accept donations or paywall your content'. Or something like that. The donation stuff wasn't in there (I used to just broadly mention 'no monetization'), until my assets were on the donation page of some explicitely anti-trans fangame. It just creates weird situations. But again, I'm also not actually against having a ko-fi link on your git page. I just personally don't care to connect donations to my open source projects

[turbid heart]

ah did localthunk make it against the rules to commericalize

[woven crag]

how are you going to charge people for using an api. how do you even check that