⚙・modding-general

[amber river]

oh shit i came back just in time

[hardy brook]

Hello. I'm just learning about this myself

I know the posts are backwards, I have my searches from newest first lol

Like I get the reason, but it just sucks still

[cursive lake]

youch...

[amber river]

oh i see now yeah i think its more justified

i think

[woven crag]

p sure she said that was a joke right after

which also seems a bit obvious to me

[civic atlas]

i mean even if it is a joke

i personally dont think this is to a bannable degree but its definitely not something reasonable

[woven crag]

what even happened to the ai guy

[civic atlas]

banned

i think

[woven crag]

okay

[amber river]

wish i had the whole context, i feel like we're missing pieces

[wraith seal]

i think the insult that she said in #💻・modding-dev is def a bit too much, though

[woven crag]

i mean yeah, all the messages of the ai guy got deleted so it looks way worse now

[amber river]

was the ai guy the person who made an in-game ai interface to generate new jokers

[civic atlas]

tbf ruby was escalating the situation a bit

too

much

[woven crag]

nope

thats seu pai

hes
not that bad

[amber river]

ahhh okay

[woven crag]

also he actually abides by the new ai rules

[amber river]

mb gng i been on a hiatus

[civic atlas]

i still dont think ruby warrants the ban though

[amber river]

ai rules???

[woven crag]

check first pin

in here

[amber river]

as it the first time it happened tho??

[woven crag]

tbh if that was enough to warrant a ban then way more people should also be banned imo

because ive seen worse things go unpunished

[exotic belfry]

kinda true

[hardy brook]

On a more lighter note.... While RattlingSnow and I played around with the Unenhanced Custom Playing Cards, I brought up the idea I wanted to do a while back. "Koi-latro"

It's Koi-Koi x Balatro.

Kinda in the same vein as something like "Hit"

[west hill]

It doesn’t really need to be repeatedly discussed, the modding team have explained their reasoning, it clearly explains that is more like a totting up of a number of things over an extended period of time, I think if people have issues with the decision they should message the mods privately

[cursive lake]

wats koi koi :3

[cursive lake]

sorry i brought it up

[civic atlas]

agreed

[amber river]

mb bro i just wanted tea

[hardy brook]

Koi-Koi is a japanese game that uses "Hanafuda" to make hands to get points

typically a 1v1 game

[civic atlas]

hotpot leek

[amber river]

sounds awesome bro

[hardy brook]

Ironically the best way to understand is from the gamegrumps episode lol

https://youtu.be/NLRb_7oHv60?si=QhvoXm4t0AiYjN8q

But here's the wiki page

https://fudawiki.org/en/hanafuda/games/koi-koi

(Game Grumps gives how it feels to everyone)

[crude verge]

i need one more indie game for my mod

[cursive lake]

havent watched grumps in ages outside of revisiting da kirby dream course series occasionally

[deft ore]

in stars and time

[hardy brook]

Dungeons & Degenerate Gamblers

[exotic belfry]

Solar Ash

[humble rampart]

balatro

[civic atlas]

my game

[prisma latch]

windowkill

[hardy brook]

-# Sonic The Hedgehog

[cursive lake]

Death Must Die

[gilded vortex]

Given the reasoning by the mod, I think Ruby would not be allowed back unless she changed her behavior or committed to

[cold rose]

my deltarune

[crude verge]

any good idea?

[civic atlas]

that is not my game

[amber river]

now thats reasonable

[civic atlas]

i shall now execute you

[woven crag]

or committed to....?

[amber river]

guys should i release a new batch of ideas onto revo for him to add to judgement or should i wait until we have enough arts

[gilded vortex]

Hence I think “campaigning” without that in mind is fruitless

[deft ore]

That reasoning is genuinely fully fair. However if that was truly ban-worthy I can think of at least one other person who should be gone too

[woven crag]

is it seu pai

[gilded vortex]

Change her behavior

[civic atlas]

its me

[deft ore]

No seu pai is actually capable of having good faith discussions when AI isn't involved

[civic atlas]

i will be banned

[deft ore]

No it's Victin

[civic atlas]

DAMN

[gilded vortex]

Let Revo out of the basement to touch grass for a bit first

[woven crag]

actually what about twigin

[deft ore]

Wait actually hold let me change my display name again

[formal orchid]

sad

[civic atlas]

oh yeah twigin wouldve been banned day 1

[amber river]

@formal orchid go lil guy go touch the grass

[woven crag]

yeah lmfao

[deft ore]

Ive had twigin blocked for a bit but I've heard they've improved

[humble rampart]

no rest for the wicked

[amber river]

ive got plans for you

[gilded vortex]

If you have an issue you can contact a mod

[hardy brook]

Lemme go find my Hanafuda textures

[formal orchid]

its been so long since i updated judgement i dont think im in the basement anymore

[amber river]

victin what did you do

[deft ore]

If it was already in place they ABSOLUTELY wouldve been banned day 1 though

[deft ore]

Incapable of having good faith arguments essentially

[amber river]

weve been waiting for art for so long

[gilded vortex]

I freed Revo

[amber river]

YOU WHAT

[crude verge]

outside jokes, some indie game not too obscure?

[civic atlas]

hotpot leek

[cursive lake]

berry pretty :3

[deft ore]

much better

[full edge]

Have you set up Neon White already?

[formal orchid]

art 😔

[hardy brook]

I know the top is August. I BELIEVE the bottom row is the wip for March

[formal orchid]

no artists to enslave

[amber river]

nobody wants to do art bro

but its ok

[main path]

if u havent already put these in
i would love to see some hades and enter the gungeon rep

[civic atlas]

revo

[deft ore]

whats wrong with isat

[civic atlas]

my game

[west hill]

This is a ridiculous statement, victin has never resorted to the behaviour Ruby has been banned for

[formal orchid]

bazinga

[cursive lake]

ooooooh i knew nintendo was originally a card game company didnt know this was da game tho

[civic atlas]

dont call me that again

[formal orchid]

your name is

bazinga

[deft ore]

Bazinga

[dusty token]

🍿

[civic atlas]

Bazinga

[west hill]

He’s just very stubborn in his opinions and has a bit of a different writing style to most people

[formal orchid]

what do u expect 🥀

[civic atlas]

ok its kind of funny so ill allow it

[hardy brook]

Yup

[civic atlas]

Anyways

[crude verge]

i dont know anything about hades, i would need help to put something about the game.

[hardy brook]

So question: Isn't Ruby the owner of Cryptid currently?

[civic atlas]

revo

[full edge]

Not interested in delving into a deeper convo about it, but to defend Victin: I've never been even prompted to think he's arguing in bad faith. Stubbornness and being pedantic are not bad faith, regardless of whatever other judgement you wanna give it

[formal orchid]

bazinga

[crude verge]

Bazinga.

[civic atlas]

Can You Help Code For Medium

[formal orchid]

sure

[civic atlas]

hurrah

[formal orchid]

new mod unlocked

[civic atlas]

send your git ill add pushing perms

[dusty token]

bazinga

[gilded vortex]

😭 I’m thankful people are defending me but I think it’s unnecessary at the moment. As I said I reckon they can contact the mods if they have an issue

[civic atlas]

Bazinga

[exotic belfry]

Yeah seriously. This level of hate feels toxic 😭

[deft ore]

Bazinga

[formal orchid]

hollon i forgot my git

[dusty token]

bazinga, im yapping on my exam

[formal orchid]

Cdrvo

[civic atlas]

bazinga

[exotic belfry]

bazinga

[civic atlas]

thats my emoji

[dusty token]

bazinga, emoi

[exotic belfry]

lies

[formal orchid]

jimbo_spin

[civic atlas]

mb that is the discord.gg slash penis emoji

[deft ore]

eh fair

[deft ore]

dwayne

[civic atlas]

w speed ❤️‍🩹

[exotic belfry]

Speed eats his pizza

[civic atlas]

check your mail

[formal orchid]

k

y'all should ping me when replying

[civic atlas]

@formal orchid hi

[formal orchid]

😭

[civic atlas]

im gonna do it once for the bit

[formal orchid]

time to push malware in medium

[drowsy parrot]

bruh

[formal orchid]

also peak readme

[civic atlas]

read me

[deft ore]

im going to make a new mod called large

[formal orchid]

ok so im n the mod

but

what do i do

[deft ore]

its medium but all the numbers are bigger

[full edge]

I think I've hard coded in every obvious edge case. I'm sure more will pop up once people actually use the API, but it's almost ready to be released. Works on every vanilla joker, I think 😄

[formal orchid]

when is to_medium()

[civic atlas]

idk what do you want to do

[hardy brook]

oh?

[deft ore]

turns a bignum back into a number

[formal orchid]

fire

[formal orchid]

what needs to be done

[amber river]

what

[deft ore]

what does to_small do

[amber river]

mods

[formal orchid]

😭** **

[amber river]

should i

install

[civic atlas]

lab ui

[full edge]

I will get unreasonably toxic to people using cryptlib value manip from now on. Not for good reasons, but as a marketing strategy

[civic atlas]

the entire thing

[dusty token]

return 0

[formal orchid]

blow up

[formal orchid]

UI??

im cooked

im so fucked

[uneven rover]

whats the mod that lets you add additional decks on the deck select screen

[deft ore]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1414106464615665786

[civic atlas]

you can do the logic

if you want

[hardy brook]

Btw, I'm still contemplating what to do with Koi-latro.

Like should I make it so that you play it from the deck like hit or should i make its own stake system similar to Ortalab?

[amber river]

PEONOUNS?????

[uneven rover]

i couldve sworn it was deck sleeves

[deft ore]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1270516504470880357

[fickle elbow]

What happens if you get a hand size joker increase its values than sell it?

[formal orchid]

wait i need to play

medium

first

[civic atlas]

check the mod page

[formal orchid]

git clone my beloved

[uneven rover]

that doesnt seem right

[civic atlas]

cardsleeves

[deft ore]

wdym

it shows 12 decks at once

or like 10 or something idk the exact number

[formal orchid]

ofc https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1325147180280971294

[uneven rover]

its not what i was thinking of though

[deft ore]

what are you thinking of then

[full edge]

It doesn't affect those jokers

[civic atlas]

play My Mod

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1337725450562310195

[formal orchid]

i thought readme was peak

the commit for it is peaker

😭

[civic atlas]

W speed ❤️‍🩹

[full edge]

I'm considering setting something up that would allow for that, but that's for later. It'd need a new system to deal with refreshing values that work like add_to_deck

[turbid ruin]

W speed ❤️‍🩹

[fickle elbow]

Fair way to go about it, the value system i made is currenly just bugged with them.

[formal orchid]

to_bigger() 🤔

[uneven rover]

that was it thanks

[turbid ruin]

What mods should i play

[civic atlas]

see i knew it im awesome

[woven crag]

entropy

[fickle elbow]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1357543332602970212

[turbid ruin]

No

[civic atlas]

smods

[formal orchid]

smiddles

[turbid ruin]

Okay :3

[civic atlas]

sminds

[deft ore]

bignum but every entry in the table is also a bignum

[formal orchid]

smediums

[full edge]

I'd love your insight if you have any weird edge case stuff for your value system, btw! And assuming it's alright with you, I'll add a default converter to the API, so that it's inherently compatible! I already do that for Cryptid, so it never doubles up, haha

[deft ore]

smows

[formal orchid]

fire 🔥

[cursive lake]

i second all in jest its berry good

[turbid ruin]

I love smods i can’t play mods without it

[formal orchid]

i got flashbanged

[hard plank]

#1326135270759993364

[amber river]

is all in jest compayible with talisman tho

[formal orchid]

by the purple background

[amber river]

😳

[cursive lake]

this too

[turbid ruin]

No that one is laggy af

[deft ore]

hi aiko

[civic atlas]

porple

[deft ore]

news on ruby from egg

[hard plank]

how did you know

[full edge]

But vanilla compat is a bunch of hard coding so I can work around weird implementations. There's some jokers that you'd expect to work, but they don't because of vanilla hardcoding stuff. Decided that as an API it's not my job to account for that, haha

[formal orchid]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1379136953307500645

[cursive lake]

i've not had any issue with it while having talisman active

[sterile hornet]

oh i fixed it, thats weird

[amber river]

goatex

[turbid ruin]

#⚙・modding-general message

[hard plank]

i really need to know

are you playing with like

other mods

[turbid ruin]

😭

[drowsy parrot]

lock in

[turbid ruin]

Peak?

[formal orchid]

trust its peak (it is NOT)

[turbid ruin]

Yes

[woven crag]

you should watch the trailer

[turbid ruin]

Handy cartomancer

[civic atlas]

kill all niko

[woven crag]

for tangents

[turbid ruin]

Cardsleeves

[formal orchid]

ngl

[hard plank]

i would need to see your mod list

[drowsy parrot]

TRUEEEEEEE

[turbid ruin]

Can you send

[sterile hornet]

yessir, trying to finish this piece

[formal orchid]

death to nxkoo

[civic atlas]

im surprised niko got that far with his coding skills

[gilded vortex]

Dang

[turbid ruin]

You’ll have to wait

[drowsy parrot]

im surprised nxkoo got far

[cursive lake]

just got rickrolled in current year damn

[woven crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL58YVCrqrI

[hard plank]

i hate myself dawg why am i sick

[civic atlas]

everyone in chat dislike this video

[hard plank]

hopefully I'm better tomorrow

i don't even have energy to play games

[turbid ruin]

Elon dih deck 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[formal orchid]

i love this very readable text

[fickle elbow]

The only other real problem with mine is value manipulation on consumables, it tends to be weird or permanent.

[west hill]

clearly says $5 smh

[gilded vortex]

Maybe you were changing the center by accident?

[turbid ruin]

I think modding peaked

[full edge]

Mine currently only targets jokers. Haven't even started to look at how I'd go about that, haha. But I'd definitely need to include it for the API to make sense

[hard plank]

I'm sorry that the mod lagged for you

[formal orchid]

also why is this here

[woven crag]

why not

[full edge]

I assume the All In Jest system is somewhat like Cryptid's, where it generically applies to all values?

[turbid ruin]

Owww you’re so sweet
It’s okay honey i’ll give it a try once i’m home and maybe help find out why it lagged

[civic atlas]

no idea mate

[fickle elbow]

Yea kinda, it is much better than Cryptids though

Consumables work different than other cards most of their values either store in card.ability.consumable which affects the center for some reason, or the center.

[full edge]

Haha, yeah Cryptid's kinda drowning in legacy stuff

is it just vanilla consumables that give issues, or all of 'm?

[fickle elbow]

All of them

[full edge]

Because for the jokers, a bunch of vanilla stuff I've just hardcoded in, rather than actually set up a system for. The goal's for mods to not imitate vanilla code, anyway 😛

Oh, weird! I'll have a look soon, I'm curious how that happens

[fickle elbow]

I can send some of the code i tried for consumables and what i have for value manipulation if you need it.

[full edge]

I was about to ask, honestly, haha

The value manipulation stuff would be great to see generally, just for compat reasons

Because the only way I know how to handle that is hardcoding it, hahaha

Just tested, because I forgot to actually check, but yep, stacked values aren't affected 😄 So now there's actual use for temp power boosts on scaling jokers, besides some score, haha

[fervent vessel]

ooo

[fickle elbow]

Oh yea, that reminds me of another problem which was scaling enhancements, basically it would undo any power boost gain from them.

[stoic cove]

i have a question im trying to use the multiplayer mod but whenever i am in the solo player mode no matter what hand i play the max score i can get is 160 is there a fix for this

[full edge]

Ah, yeah, depending on how something's set up, it might recalculate it

[stoic cove]

it is the same on all the decks

[full edge]

The multiplayer devs are a lot more active on the Multiplayer discord! If it's a known bug you'll have an answer given there way quicker!

[stoic cove]

thank you

[fervent vessel]

I've tried doing something like that but my stacked values would just reset to what it was before when removing the buff, this is pretty cool!

[full edge]

I'm not sure how I'd deal with stuff that recalculates 🤔 Unless you'd have the entire multiplier be recalculated every update, but that seems excessive, haha

[full edge]

It's based on the system I set up for my own mod, and there it's a lot easier because I know value manipulation would be a thing, so all the code is written around that assumption, haha. The way the system works is just by alllowing you to choose variable names to be exempt from value manipulation. That way they also don't get reset

[fervent vessel]

oh cool! thats a smart way of doing it

[full edge]

I'm probably releasing the first version of the API for it in #1406740128231194644 tonight or tomorrow, if you'd like to use it instead of having to reinvent that specific wheel, haha

[fervent vessel]

but must be difficult cause you have to manually do it for each joker

[indigo egret]

i just updated Flynnsanity

[full edge]

It's difficult to do it afterwards

[indigo egret]

#1424217486345375835

[civic atlas]

ok

[crude verge]

guest the game

[fickle elbow]

I sent a dm with information regarding what i have with value manipulation

[full edge]

but for my own mod, it's incredibly easy to set up. I just have a list of variable names, suffixes and prefixes the system looks out for, and you can set those yourself. If you're consistent in how you've named your variables, it's very, very plug-and-play. For my own mod, a joker like runner would have the stacked chips be called stacked_chips, and the chips it gains each trigger be called a_chips, and variables with stacked in the name just never value manip

[fervent vessel]

fire, this is the state of my value manipulation rn 😭 I've been able to stop xmult and denominators from being doubled but the gain still resets (probably just because of the way i set up this joker, permanent value manipulation works fine)

[cursive lake]

what is bweh in dis context

[fathom gust]

man this boss rush thing is getting a lot of content huh

[full edge]

Oh, my system's made to be able to deal with that!

Though I'm sure I've also got some edge cases, hahaha

let me grab an example

[exotic belfry]

I made this last night so I'm posting it again. Good luck

[cursive lake]

super excited to try when able

[civic atlas]

wheres trerraria

[woven crag]

at the beach

[civic atlas]

grrr

[woven crag]

where the hoes at

[civic atlas]

whweeereresee treeeeewraeararrsaia

[hardy brook]

Deltarune, Stickers, Spy vs Spy, Bald....

Roulette

Splash text

[full edge]

My implementation of a similar joker! This doesn't use the API (yet), as I still need to backport it into Kino, but it's the same core system

[cursive lake]

in my garden tilling da ground

[civic atlas]

coky want boig boin

[fervent vessel]

oh thats great!

[fathom gust]

tf is ghengis khan doing there 😭

[hardy brook]

Oh you got joker art for kino? epic

[exotic belfry]

You'll see

[civic atlas]

why wouldnt it be

[exotic belfry]

Thanks Genghis

[drowsy parrot]

genghis birth wheel roulette smile shady business bottle caps 2 guys shaking hands umamusume pokemon kill minecraft nxkoo daniel cocky stickers

[civic atlas]

wtf

im bazinga

[drowsy parrot]

no really

[full edge]

If there's stuff you'd like to do, as far as value manip goes, that isn't in there, also just lmk, I'm up for seeing if I can implement it. Only stuff I've consciously decided to not add is value manipulation that isn't multiplicative

[fervent vessel]

thats fair, no need for ^ value jokers

[full edge]

Under the pretence that it additive value manip is a mechanic that's really hard to make good designs with, but in truth because it'd be a nightmare to really make it work, hahaha

[grim rover]

this gotta be possible in coding i know it

[lost bolt]

What should I name this deck?
-1 Shop Slot but +1 Booster Pack and Voucher slot

[grim rover]

Scalper Deck

[civic atlas]

hook ease dollars

ez

[storm forum]

-# Actually, that hook isn't needed anymore iirc.

[civic atlas]

wtf

inform me

[storm forum]

context.money_altered

[civic atlas]

oh

thats neat

[fathom gust]

most boring ass effects i have made ever

[grim rover]

i was right

now let me figure this out

[prisma latch]

WHY ARE YOU LONG

YOURE MEANT TO BE SQUARE

[civic atlas]

why wouldnt it be

[full edge]

it's hip to be square

[indigo egret]

my major inspiration for my balatro mod is raldi's crackhouse

specifically the "dude what the hell are you playing" aspect

i want it to look extremely confusing to those who don't know Balatro

[civic atlas]

ok

[drowsy parrot]

🪓

[indigo egret]

I believe i nailed it

[civic atlas]

anyways cant you just make the sprite in the atlas a square?

[prisma latch]

it is a square

[formal orchid]

set

display_size

[civic atlas]

oh

weird

[prisma latch]

how does half joker do the thing of not having a too long hitbox

oh so im meant to set display_size not pixel_size

[formal orchid]

display_size{
  w = whatever
  h = whatever
}```

[prisma latch]

makes sense ig

[formal orchid]

something like this

[indigo egret]

would you take a Markiplier joker that levels up your played hand 14 times and then explodes

[storm forum]

pixel_size = { w = 69, h = 69 } for 'tis.

-# ...but the Atlas for it is defined as full 71x95.

[grim rover]

okay so i assume
context.amount
also does negative for when money is lost?

[civic atlas]

what if it was 67 instead

[prisma latch]

should the art be at the top of the texture instead of centered then

[grim rover]

thank god

[formal orchid]

-# check https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1337725450562310195 rq

[storm forum]

Aligned to top, yeah.

[prisma latch]

and if its less than the normal width do i align left or keep centered horizontally

[formal orchid]

id stick it to top left and pray

[storm forum]

Top left it would be, yes.

[prisma latch]

ok wait hang on im confused cause one of you is saying display_size and the other is saying pixel_size

[prisma latch]

thats not entirely clear to me

so display_size stretches the sprite and pixel_size centers it?

[woven crag]

display_size is at what size the sprite is rendered

[storm forum]

pixel_size is the "hitbox", display_size is how big its' drawn.
For this, I had to use both

display_size = { w = 71 * 1.27, h = 95 },
pixel_size = { w = 71, h = 95 }

[woven crag]

pixel_size just tells the game how much space the sprite actually takes up on the spritesheet

iirc

[prisma latch]

so if the art is at the correct size on the spritesheet already i dont need to bother with display_size?

[storm forum]

ye.

Just pixel_size.

[stable juniper]

had a great run with Tally Deck, while testing the new Tarot ^U^

[formal orchid]

if you had set the atlas to 71/95

i think it will try to scale it up

and strecth

[prisma latch]

i thought every card atlas had to be 71x95

[storm forum]

That's the default.

[woven crag]

you can always make smaller sprites

[prisma latch]

im just confused now

[formal orchid]

if you want to use it in the smea atlas use display_size

otherwise make a different atlas with different size

[storm forum]

That Joker I mentioned is 91x95, which is why I needed display_size

[prisma latch]

i mean this is for a consumable typewhere every card will be this big, so i can just shrink the atlas down and itll work out?

[grim rover]

so like 3oak, 2p, 4oak, fhouse, straight, flush etc can trigger this

[formal orchid]

-# im sure im %70 wrong here

[full edge]

Would probably make the orbs even tinier in the final product, but this is a quick mock-up. As far as indicating compatibility with specific mechanics (for example, blue = blueprint, purple = retrigger, green = force trigger, yellow = value manipulation), do I go for very bottom, or underneath the name? 🤔

[prisma latch]

id say bottom

[full edge]

yeah, bottom's probably better

Time to refresh myself on how you manipulate the existing UI, hahaha

[fallow hatch]

what

[amber river]

minecraft

[full edge]

Oh man, I actually have no clue how to jam stuff under the existing joker UI, haha. Guess I'm saving that for later

[storm forum]

hooky

[full edge]

yeah but idk remember what I'd hook for that, haha. I'm fine just putting it on the backburner for now, anyway, idk where I'd put this code, anyway

I'm not gonna include it in every API, but I'm not gonna make an API mod for it either, I reckon

[keen knoll]

imo it doesnt look super good

[full edge]

Yeah, I want them to be smaller and less saturated, over all. They're intended to be very small reminders on the UI. Just drew big circles in the mock_up, haha

[grim rover]

as you can see i'm running out of ideas

js realized how crazy this would go with anaglyph deck

[full edge]

i'd maybe have it more like this. Probably somewhere in between. Gonna mess around with it a bunch, I reckon

[grim rover]

how much money does an average balatro player spend per run

[grave panther]

none it’s a premium game where you purchase it once up front and get all the content - no f2p elements

hope this helps

[fathom gust]

very fair blinds

[keen knoll]

guys

they made another "destroy played stone card" joker

[cursive lake]

really depends on how rng plays out, and if i have any effective econ building given to me

[eternal portal]

hi chat

[cursive lake]

hallo cass

[manic summit]

hi

[grim rover]

bro i meant

[eternal portal]

im cass

[exotic belfry]

hello cass

[eternal portal]

none reference

[grim rover]

oh my god

[keen knoll]

also lt put it in his will

[cursive lake]

put what in his will

[keen knoll]

to never like sell the ip

to casinos and stuff

[full edge]

oh wait, the code for cryptid's value manip was rewritten

[grave panther]

baslotro will never come to Caesar’s place noooo

[full edge]

of course my compat doesn't actually compat anymore

[cursive lake]

what would a casino do with the ip 😭

[keen knoll]

it uses SMODS.scale_card now i think

[keen knoll]

tf you mean? its literally already poker theyd make themed slots and stuff

[trail berry]

im poker

[full edge]

That's just for seeing that it happened, right? I'm checking the code out now. Just need to figure out where I hook now, haha

[cursive lake]

oh yes lets start a new table where players can earn 1 million chips in 1 hand

[keen knoll]

hi

[keen knoll]

youre not... wrong

[trail berry]

should i make more forgeslop guys

im bored

[grim rover]

holy originality

[wanton rapids]

sinful powercreep...

[grim rover]

the j

[keen knoll]

purgatory balance

[trail berry]

alright guys give me some forgeslop ideas

[keen knoll]

oh have u seen that video

[grim rover]

no

[keen knoll]

oh

[prisma latch]

here we goo

[keen knoll]

+10 mult if hand is more than 3 cards and has a scoring ace

[prisma latch]

is there any way to relock somethnig without resetting a profile? i wanna check if the undiscovered sprite looks right

[keen knoll]

no

[trail berry]

what do i call it

[keen knoll]

ace equilibrium

[spark whale]

what is the difference?

[trail berry]

wo w

[civic atlas]

unlock all i think

[trail berry]

Wow!

[civic atlas]

shouldve called it nxkoo joker

because ace

[trail berry]

okay

i now need

a 2nd joker

[wanton rapids]

+5 mult

[full edge]

cryptid compat's done from the cryptid side, now just from mine, and then I think I've got a pretty neat API set up

[trail berry]

what should it be named

[prisma latch]

ah. display_size doesn't work on undiscovered sprites. what the fuck do i do about that

[civic atlas]

nxkoo joker

[wanton rapids]

joker 2

[trail berry]

Wow!

[keen knoll]

are you going to make an eo card

[turbid ruin]

Wait you guys make mods

I thought this is a channel for discussing mods

[prisma latch]

eo?

[keen knoll]

perk eo

[civic atlas]

who do you think makes the mods

[prisma latch]

oh my god

[spark whale]

achievements dont work for me on profile without unlock all

[keen knoll]

:)

[civic atlas]

weird

[turbid ruin]

Name every mod

[trail berry]

Wow!

[civic atlas]

my mod

[wanton rapids]

wow

[civic atlas]

and then theres no other mod

[trail berry]

okay i need a 3rd joker now

[keen knoll]

ok ill name them all jeff

every mod is called jeff now

[civic atlas]

wtd

[wanton rapids]

this will surely cause bugs

[civic atlas]

you cant name my mod jeff

[turbid ruin]

That was smart actually

[prisma latch]

does anyone have a fix for this. i dont want it to be long but i cant fix it long

[civic atlas]

its name is Brian

[keen knoll]

oh yea? check ur mod :>

[civic atlas]

its still brain

[trail berry]

help

[spark whale]

do all challenges achievement trigger just once, after last completed or i can win any and retrigger achievement without mods?

[turbid ruin]

Like the dog

[trail berry]

i need a 3rd joker

[wanton rapids]

does anyone know the best joker from jeff

[keen knoll]

purple joker, ez

[civic atlas]

jeff

[wanton rapids]

leak jeff

[civic atlas]

wtf

[turbid ruin]

Jeff leak

[civic atlas]

jeffpot leak

[trail berry]

do i add jeff

[wanton rapids]

add jeff to jeff

[keen knoll]

third wheel: if hand contains 3 hands, increase the rank of each chard

[civic atlas]

9/11

[keen knoll]

wtf

[wanton rapids]

so like two pair or 3oak or specific flushes?

[civic atlas]

does the same thing as 9/11 in balaposting

[wanton rapids]

what on earth is balaposting

[keen knoll]

i meant cards but thats pretty funny

[trail berry]

#1424435797150535881

[wanton rapids]

oh its just another google doc mod okay

[keen knoll]

cant believe someone made balatro in google doc

[prisma latch]

is balaposting ever gonna be made or is it just a place to expend all your dumb ideas

[trail berry]

might actually make a repo

[eternal portal]

cass

[hard plank]

cass...

[keen knoll]

candy

[civic atlas]

seven eleven

[worn rain]

🗣️

[civic atlas]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1397999050384605228/1424808556343070881/m2-res_480p.mp4?ex=68e54bdf&is=68e3fa5f&hm=7b0f2d7bb54c7e1fbabbb1ce54675e8d798fa85e32bc27e30767822c1607020e&

[full edge]

oof starting over fully on this cryptid compat system there's too much changed code

Does Cryptid only have one card that gives a temporary value manipulation change?

[unborn plover]

idk but wtf is happening lmao

[worn dagger]

???

Who wants cat picture?

[turbid ruin]

🤚

[unborn plover]

jesus fucking christ

[prisma latch]

i just realised i could do something real funny with my consumables
right now i have power cards and perk cards. i could name the alchemy cards Potion cards. and the future planned music-themed consumables i only have as a vague idea i could name Phonograph cards

ppppp

[gilded vortex]

The return of @tropic egret

[indigo egret]

HUMORIZATION!!

[prisma latch]

lmao

[worn dagger]

Damn

[unborn plover]

but what does the letter "m" have to do with jolly joker?? 😭

[worn dagger]

Who likes my cat

[indigo egret]

what mod is this

[gilded vortex]

Hello cat

[indigo egret]

google cryptid faq

[gilded vortex]

Are you a cat that owns a cat

[worn dagger]

Arnold

Yes

[indigo egret]

github link?

[keen knoll]

molly moker

[worn dagger]

Doesn’t have one

[unborn plover]

molly?

[keen knoll]

jolly

m

[exotic belfry]

Why they looking at me but also behind me

[unborn plover]

yet I still don't know what this means

[worn dagger]

Look it up

[full edge]

I've lost all maths knowledge. this shouldn't even be difficult 😭

[worn dagger]

Dementors

[keen knoll]

math is fun tho

[full edge]

no wait i've figured it out

it was very simple

[woven orchid]

math? i know all of it…. i remember it all…….

[worn dagger]

He remembers your pacifists

[junior rock]

oh yeah? whats the number im thinking of then

[worn dagger]

2

[woven orchid]

that one

[full edge]

hmm I think I've goofed the math still

[desert mirage]

h.m...

mega jokers...

mega evolution deck

u can mega evolve jokers in a boss blind,,

[woven crag]

yummy i love basically =0 mult

also waow

the value manip but good is happening

[full edge]

Just need to make sure I convert values properly

and then I've cryptid compat'd

so then it's just a playtest round

[worn dagger]

Holy shit is that metal sonic neo

[full edge]

and then #1406740128231194644 Value Manipulation will be what I'm going to be incredibly annoying about

[pastel surge]

yes

[worn dagger]

No way

[hardy brook]

The second someone sees an apple with +chips:

"Ortalab Reference?"

[woven crag]

i figured out perma bonuses guys

[worn dagger]

I was thinking that lmao

[hardy brook]

nice!

[woven crag]

is there a blind called "the doctor" by any chance

[pastel surge]

no

[woven crag]

idk what im even going to use this for but

fun

[full edge]

Nice, Eris. What's the difference between what you added and stacked?

[hardy brook]

The Timelord?

[woven crag]

idk i never played stacked

does stacked have something similar

[pastel surge]

i just realised
you cant fucking see the stake sticker because fatass' hair blocks it 😭

[full edge]

Stacked allows you to add new calc effects to objects

[hardy brook]

Wait... aren't you Nimsi though?

[pastel surge]

✅

[hardy brook]

why you calling yourself a fatass?

[woven crag]

oh no i just implemented a single perma bonus and thats it, this isnt an api or anything like that

[full edge]

Oooh

still pretty good work! not everything needs to be an API 😛

(it should be 🔫 )

[woven crag]

idk i might make a library with my return manip stuff

mayhaps

[pastel surge]

copypaste your code for whenever you have to do it again
then cry in a corner when you find a bug

[lime siren]

modded minecraft when i download 4 content mods and 20 libraries are dependencies

[full edge]

my dream

[pastel surge]

🤷

for the love hate of the game

[full edge]

somewhere my code applies itself again and if I solve that, I'm done

uuugh

[fathom gust]

just making sure the knife isn't too strong and too weak at the same time

compared to the (very unfair) scale

[unborn plover]

gotta say, this deck is pretty peculiar

[humble rampart]

vertical graph of doom

[pastel surge]

desmos in here was not on my bingo card

[fathom gust]

i know it's not complex math but it's still funny to scare some people with

[woven crag]

i mean thats

not a lot right

especially at this scale

[fathom gust]

yeah it actually isnt

[woven crag]

its just x3 every hand effectively

[fathom gust]

from FUCKING 3000 😭

[prisma latch]

ok does anyone here have any unconventionally sized consumables who can tell me how they got the undiscoveredsprite to be the right size because it just isnt for me

[full edge]

oh god I realize now why the cryptid compat messes up

I store it in ability so Cryptid muliplies the multiplication log 🥲

fixed it 🥲

[fervent vessel]

yay

[full edge]

vanille, Grab Bag, and Cryptid, and using 2 different systems, and 4 different standards, but it all works, haha

[pastel surge]

shit
ive been beaten to the punch

[fervent vessel]

sick!

[full edge]

Something that this has made me wonder is whether it'd be nice if for certain features that smods wouldn't implement, there'd be some empty functions provided to hook into, so there's a streamlined core, at least 🤔

[pastel surge]

otherwise this is good

[fervent vessel]

that could be pretty useful maybe

[full edge]

I'm sure actual programmers have set up smart ways to deal with that in like 1991, haha

[fathom gust]

do i redo this design

[wanton rapids]

does it have any effects in the run?

wait i may be stupid

for its presumably current effect i would phrase it "Blind Size and Reward" instead of mult and money

[prisma latch]

so it just has a random base and a random reward? interesting

[fathom gust]

it only works because math.random doesn't change

[wanton rapids]

actually it only gets called once right

[fathom gust]

yep

what the fuck 😭

[lime siren]

Chips

[fathom gust]

YOU

[wanton rapids]

Chips

[lime siren]

yum

[prisma latch]

WHY ARENT YOU SQUARE

BE SQUARE

[woven crag]

or be there

[prisma latch]

?????PLEASE BE SQUARE WHYA RENT YOU SQUARE

[fervent vessel]

can you not just make the sprite square and still have it as 71x95 ?

like that kinda

[prisma latch]

problem with that is that it would have space on the top and bottom you can hover over when i dont want that

[fervent vessel]

oh right

[prisma latch]

i want the hitbox to match the size of hte card

ive wasted so much time that could have been spent on the actual joker this is for on just trying to get a fucking undiscoveredsprite to workkkk

[fervent vessel]

🥹

[forest knoll]

i don't know if vallkarri even has the undiscoveredsprite set up but i know that mod has non-standard card shapes for the planetoid cards

[honest zephyr]

WAIT

[surreal walrus]

what do I do if I can't unlock the next stake after I beat the previous one? I beat abandoned red stake two times, I quit to menu in the first one and lost on purpose in ante 9 in the second one, both of those didn't count.

I have these mods: jokerdisplay, handy, blueprint, systemclock, jokersellvalue, nopeus, run reviewer (this one is disabled)

[honest zephyr]

open a new profile with nothing unlocked or discovered

and then look for square joker to see if it even has a different undiscovered sprite

[prisma latch]

well you see

square joker is an exception

all of these consumables are square shaped

[cold rose]

hop on balapostin

[turbid ruin]

I have no coding background
How hard would it be for me to make a mod

[full edge]

A simple mod? Incredibly easy

A mod that adds some new stuff? Very doable

[honest zephyr]

depends on what effects you try to do

[grim rover]

got them all working in my mod but Keychain and License Plate desperately needing a rework already 😂

[turbid ruin]

Just a silly mod

Vanilla like

I want to play it with friends

[honest zephyr]

you can refer to steamodded example mods and vanilla remade

[turbid ruin]

What

[full edge]

Jokerforge mods to play with friends has basically no barrier to entry. If you wanna program it yourself, there's a lot of tools to help you, and you can ask people here for tips and insight

[turbid ruin]

Oh that’s cool

I didn’t know you guys are friendly like that

[honest zephyr]

we are very normal

[turbid ruin]

I know this might sound generic but i think that people will scream at me for my weak coding skills

[forest knoll]

we're actually evil and we hate everyone who doesn't instantly know how modding works /j

[fathom gust]

discord why are you so delayed today

holy

[turbid ruin]

nooooooo

[fathom gust]

i mean as long as you aren’t rude to others generally we’re cool with others

[lime siren]

soon™ :clueless:

[honest zephyr]

that's what most people think. hell even i think that
you just need to muster up the confidence to ask for help

[turbid ruin]

So people won’t yell at me ?

[full edge]

Some people might be weird, but most people are very willing to be helpful. Especially if You're actively trying to learn, rather than just trying to get something out there with the hope of N writing your code for you in modding dev, haha

[turbid ruin]

I wish i was N

[lime siren]

hand over your pride and ask N' that 500th question that may or may not just be listed on smods wiki that you read over thrice

[turbid ruin]

Sounds like a smart guy

So how do i start guys

Is there a tutorial or something

[fathom gust]

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki/Your-First-Mod

[turbid ruin]

I’m really going in blind i have basic coding knowledge

[full edge]

Learning how to read documentation is a weird and annoying skill to learn, but also a huge boon, haha

Have you set up a code editor before? That's the place to start 😋

[turbid ruin]

I’m okay with reading

[turbid ruin]

No

[lime siren]

its such a shame that i cant control + f the wiki because that would be a massive help

wait

can i

[turbid ruin]

Which one should i use

[forest knoll]

someone link the vanillaremade wiki, I can't rn

[fathom gust]

alr

https://github.com/nh6574/VanillaRemade/wiki

[lost bolt]

I should probably set up the LSP

[forest knoll]

A lot of people recommend vscode but use whatever you're comfortable with

[lime siren]

jumping off the nearest cliff, i can

[full edge]

I'd linke stuff but I'm on my couch underneath a cat, haha

[turbid ruin]

😭i’m not comfortable with anything sis

[forest knoll]

the VanillaRemade wiki will help you set up vscode then

[full edge]

Vscode is good to pick up because it's the standard, so if you're running into issues with it, someone'll most likely be able to help you

[fathom gust]

vscode is usually the best place to start off with

[turbid ruin]

Omgosh thank you

[fathom gust]

quick and easy to setup and also has an easy way to upload a mod to github

which is the primary method of sharing mods

[forest knoll]

I personally think it's a bit overkill but I'm aware that my opinion is not the community standard lol

[turbid ruin]

Yeah every mod i installed is on github

[full edge]

it is probably overkill but being the community standard is such a huge benefit that it's probably still good to use, haha

[turbid ruin]

Can i use photochop for images of jokers

[full edge]

yeah, definitely

[turbid ruin]

Coool

[fathom gust]

did you mean photoshop

[turbid ruin]

Wait I’m not an artist 🧑‍🎨

[forest knoll]

simply do it anyway :3

[turbid ruin]

Oh yeah my bad

[full edge]

the trick is to find an art style that's consistent or to learn to not care, haha

[woven crag]

reminds me that i need to still make like temporary doodles for my jokers

[storm forum]

"PhotoChop" is an actual app for iOS...

[fathom gust]

if you want to get into joker art it's best to try aseprite

[fathom gust]

o h

[full edge]

my old joker arts are just downscaled images

[fathom gust]

(you can compile this btw)

[worn bone]

glop is real,,,, https://github.com/Oinite12/potassium-remaKe/releases/tag/v0.1.0

[turbid ruin]

What does compile mean

😭

[storm forum]

"Assemble" the program from source code.

[full edge]

I wouldn't try aseprite compiling if you're not comfortable with it, haha. Especially if you already own another program you'd wanna use

[turbid ruin]

I prefer photoshop yeah

[honest zephyr]

there should be a program that auto compiles aseprite

[woven crag]

you can either

• buy aseprite for the low low price of $20
• get it for free but you have to compile it yoursel

[fathom gust]

god cellular data is ass holy

[storm forum]

-# I've tried compiling the Lovely injector for x86, not just x86_64...

[woven crag]

or just not use aseprite

because a lot of people just stay with programs they already used

[turbid ruin]

Okay but how do you compile

And why’s it free if you compile it like what’s the catch 😭

[woven crag]

the catch is that you have to compile it

[worn bone]

glop time

[fathom gust]

iirc aseprite has a build script

[woven crag]

since usually people get scared off by the idea of compiling

[turbid ruin]

Can you hit me with a pipe

[storm forum]

Yes it does.

[fathom gust]

https://github.com/aseprite/aseprite/blob/main/INSTALL.md#automatic-building yeah this exist

[lime siren]

its so over for me

[frigid furnace]

wtσ i just posted this on the cryptid server

[turbid ruin]

Art is hard

How do people even draw

[fathom gust]

i wouldn't say my art is the best
(ignore crystal on the top right astro drew her)

[fathom gust]

time and effort

[turbid ruin]

The art benchmark is too high for me

[worn rain]

i like the jimbos :trol

[storm forum]

Start with stick figures and such.

[fathom gust]

I DIDN'T DRAW 2 CHARACTERS YET

[storm forum]

-# Hell, none of my Jokers have been "drawn", I just mashed things together.

[turbid ruin]

Bottom right corner aura farming like crazy 😭💔

[turbid ruin]

You tell me i can mash things together???? That’s the best thing i do

[fathom gust]

||she's defo gon kill herself||

[worn rain]

chicot aura farming solos

[fathom gust]

ah fuck

[woven crag]

shilling my mod more look at this (i still have no idea what im going to use it for but also learning experience am i right)

[turbid ruin]

Missed opportunity to aura farm more

[storm forum]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[turbid ruin]

🔥

[turbid ruin]

😍scholar’s dream

[lime siren]

i would so shill my mod rn if i actually added anything new over implementing sdm's solution reworking merged joker descriptions and dejankifying pseudo open

[fathom gust]

i need to figure out how i can force a different bg colour when a variable is equal to smth

[turbid ruin]

Anyways fellas

Cya

[honest zephyr]

i would shill my mod if. i felt like it

i haven't opened it in-game ONCE

[surreal walrus]

why isn't there a modding_help to separate questions from mod dev 😭

[fathom gust]

would have shilled my mod but it’s scuffed as hell

[woven crag]

because this channel is the modding tech support channel

[lime siren]

how do you know anything works then 😭

[surreal walrus]

where do I ask for help then?

[woven crag]

try turning on achievements in the mod menu config maybe? idk if that could fix it

[honest zephyr]

hopes and prayers 🙏

[woven crag]

here

[lime siren]

wrong! 10 trillion crash screens on launch

[surreal walrus]

OK, I'll try

thanks

[wanton lintel]

axe body spray (just got a free copy of moonanimate 🔥)

[honest zephyr]

if there's no red lines in the lua files i'm doing stuff right

[wanton lintel]

true

[woven crag]

balatrue

[turbid ruin]

Chad tangents made me lose braincells

[lime siren]

:clueless:

[honest zephyr]

yeah it does that

[turbid ruin]

Susie’s idea

💥

[prisma latch]

why do so many people use scripts and stuff to upscale their assets. its literally like a couple of keystrokes in aseprite

[woven crag]

just use like

the one aseprite balatro extension

smh

1x to 2x scaler my beloved

[turbid ruin]

THE PROGRAMMING URGE TO AUTOMATE EVERYTHING

One day mods will be ai generated

[honest zephyr]

most of my shit is literally referenced from vanilla remade if it crashes the game when i load it they're doing shit wrong not me

[lime siren]

if that one aseprite extension has 1 million users i am one of them if that one aseprite extension has 1 user i am that user if that aseprite extension has 0 users i am dead

[foggy crag]

Folks familiar with modded wiki, can you explain why even tho I upload new version of the image (x2 size), it still doesnt update it on the wiki page?

I literally cant update files

[full edge]

It takes time to update

[foggy crag]

Why uploading new files work instatnly?

and with no issues

[full edge]

Yeah, but they aren't grabbed immediately. Idk why, but I've had the same issue

[whole hatch]

Wassup yall

[storm forum]

Cache.

[woven crag]

hello

[lime siren]

hello

[storm forum]

You can "purge" pages to try and reset the cache, but you'll need to give it time.

[honest zephyr]

hello!!

[foggy crag]

So, I just have to wait?

[lime siren]

wtf wheres my 👋

[foggy crag]

Thanks, folks

I was paranoid

[whole hatch]

Mb I’m blind 💔

[lost inlet]

added cryptid-style credits

(despite cryptid being on it works without it)

[full edge]

hey it's finally all new art 😄

I should make new art for the monster cards at some point, though

[honest zephyr]

the one sin of my coding is that i use loc_txt

[full edge]

loc_txt scares me

[lost inlet]

loc_txt is pain

[honest zephyr]

i guess pain is my fuel

[trail berry]

l...

l...

LOC_TXT????????????

[honest zephyr]

yes hello i am satan himself

[lost inlet]

i still hate Xmult_mod more

[deft ore]

theres nothing inherently wrong with Xmult_mod it's just. stupid

[trail berry]

okay my sin

is that i use [thing]_mod for scaling

[full edge]

That's what vanilla does. That's a completely normal set up, hahaha

[trail berry]

damn

im not special

[full edge]

I've got some quirky variable conventions that I will start pushing onto the community soon, but that's because I need to be able to differentiate between chips that are given whenever an ace scores, and chips gained whenever you score a straight

[wanton rapids]

it's what was used before newcalc added xmult

[full edge]

Bless newcalc

Big fan

[lost inlet]

made caeruleum (upcoming cryptid joker) less intuitive because i just have to let whatever message the joker gives go through
supposed to upgrade the operator of adjacent chips jokers, but i have to have the message from the joker go through regardless

[trail berry]

at least its not as bad as scalae's code having fucking aaa, bbb in it

[full edge]

🪭

[lost inlet]

i want to purge cryptid of Xmult_mod

[deft ore]

wait why

[wanton rapids]

wdym why

[deft ore]

how different was oldcalc

[lost inlet]

vanilla used it

[deft ore]

that that was, required

[wanton rapids]

xmult_mod is how vanilla does it

[deft ore]

oh

blame thunk then

[wanton rapids]

xmult is a convenience feature added by newcalc

[wanton lintel]

my sin is that i dont use localization luas the localizing is in the item file

[full edge]

Seeing how complex the cryptid value Manipulation stuff still is after the rewrite made me wonder if my approach is somehow too simple

[trail berry]

okay im gonna be honest i use join instead of the hardcoded feature for scaling messages

e.g. i use "+" .. card.ability.extra.mult_mod .. " Mult"

[woven crag]

WHY

[full edge]

Because I can't imagine why it's necessary to do a bunch of deep table copies and all I can think of is that I must be missing stuff

[woven crag]

localization isnt real i guess

smh

[lost inlet]

localize()

[lost inlet]

cryptid code

[crimson rain]

why not #1# ...............................

😔

[deft ore]

blunder

[woven crag]

because cant do that in message return

[trail berry]

thats for localization

[crimson rain]

oh wai

[full edge]

Cryptid code 😭

[dusty token]

interesting spike

[crimson rain]

wrong thing yeah

like

[full edge]

I commend the ruby rewrite but it's still so unwieldy

[crimson rain]

i forgot the specirfic message its localized as or smth like that but yeah

😭

[woven crag]

me when im asked what modded consumable set the "seed" card has

[lost inlet]

thank god double scale was able to be improved with scale api

[full edge]

This is why I'm rewriting the cryptid stuff I enjoy from scratch

[woven crag]

its still double scale

lmao

[lost inlet]

yea

[trail berry]

wait are we talking about modest double scale

[full edge]

Blockbuster: Force Triggers soon ™️

[lost inlet]

it should still be deleted

[trail berry]

or mainline double scale

[woven crag]

thats the same

[worn dagger]

Hi

[lost inlet]

both used to have awful code

[woven crag]

isnt it

[trail berry]

no

modest double scale is twice as fast

mainline double scale is quadratic

[woven crag]

wtf i thought double scale didnt get changed

because of mystic misclick

being annoying

[worn dagger]

Want to see kitty?

[woven crag]

sure

[wanton rapids]

i like 2x double scale actually

[trail berry]

2x double scale fits as like a rare

[worn dagger]

Here u go Eris

[trail berry]

i think

unless im stupid as shit

[woven crag]

-# its called DOUBLE scale, not QUADRATIC scale!

[lost inlet]

i want the 2x on all gamesets but mystic just. had to say no

it'd also make it easy to nerf scalae

[deft ore]

is that even value manip anymore or is that just like. doubling SMODS.scale_card gains

[lost inlet]

though neither are super fun still

[woven crag]

it is the latter i think

[deft ore]

scalae should be the old double scale effect

[trail berry]

man i need a scaling joker that manipulates its own scaling

[lost inlet]

also scalae lies to you
the example is straight up wrong

[woven crag]

why

[woven crag]

how so

[keen knoll]

isnt rhat just a scaling joker

[woven crag]

math too hard they just say big number

[lost inlet]

or scale 2X as fast
increase by 1 at end of round/ante/whatever

[trail berry]

+1 mult
gains +1 mult at end of round
gains +1 mult gain at end of round

[deft ore]

scaling joker that scales faster

[trail berry]

something kinda like that

[deft ore]

oooh i like that actually

start with 3 because its exotic

[woven crag]

thats just a scaling value that scales

[trail berry]

includes self

[trail berry]

gains 1 scaling value at end of round

[wanton rapids]

old old morefluff did this

[eternal portal]

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