⚙・modding-general

[wanton lintel]

smiles

[buoyant kestrel]

background scroll

[worn rain]

might be too fast

[buoyant kestrel]

perhaps

its deltatimed though!!

[wanton lintel]

ugh i havve no inspo besides "spellcasting from a deck"

[drowsy parrot]

IT HAPPENED AGAIN

[woven orchid]

what the hell

why is it blue

im sorry for not believing you

[wanton lintel]

is this good or shit

[digital jungle]

wait since when did that happen

[wanton lintel]

actually fuck it i dont like this idea

[buoyant kestrel]

who are the two odd ones out (besides the ones penguin has added lol)

[dense egret]

the last two?

[buoyant kestrel]

ye

[wind token]

am i the one in the wrong for blocking someone i found annoying???

[wind token]

marker and handwriting

[buoyant kestrel]

if they cause rage then block em its for their own good lmfao

[buoyant kestrel]

not what i was looking for but a good answer nonetheless

[dense egret]

the 9 looks hard to read

[round ore]

which

[buoyant kestrel]

perhaps

[wind token]

the one im assuming says branches and Curly?

[round ore]

cool,

[worn rain]

🔥 funny card idea

[buoyant kestrel]

also a good answer

[round ore]

https://www.nerdfonts.com/

[hard plank]

2 years ago

[hard plank]

it just happens sometimes

every button

is it just me or is this thing squished

[blissful brook]

It is

[exotic belfry]

Have fun making sense of this

[chilly pine]

wheres terraria

[exotic belfry]

bruh

bro salty minecraft made the cut

[chilly pine]

im #1 minecrf hater

[woven orchid]

je suis swear a la bro

[exotic belfry]

?????????????

[woven orchid]

is the top right supposed to be what i think it is

[exotic belfry]

probably yeah

[woven orchid]

what do i think it is

fuck does that mean

[exotic belfry]

No way bruh

[woven orchid]

play on this deck NOW!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1209506360987877408/1296287462754222163/image.png?ex=68e47046&is=68e31ec6&hm=7a64cd412d97b9aa5a5f6282aebb22f2fa59971b015f90c180bf9d1a391f9b73&

[exotic belfry]

WOAW AN ENTIRE NIL!

[woven orchid]

+1 nil per round

[exotic belfry]

It's a market

[woven orchid]

are they pretty

[wind token]

1 nil per round is crazy

[exotic belfry]

yes

[woven orchid]

oh sorry

[exotic belfry]

ourple

[wind token]

too op

[woven orchid]

i didnt get the abbreviation

[exotic belfry]

lmao

[woven orchid]

wheres the other horse thing?

smh

[exotic belfry]

brugh

[copper loom]

I H
N L

[woven orchid]

you know EXACTLY what im talking about

add a picture of a hospital or something

[exotic belfry]

I cannot fit everything

Y'all ask too much of me 🥀

[woven orchid]

just make it really really small and tall

[wind token]

horse...

[woven orchid]

put it here

[chilly pine]

whats pokemon

[wind token]

peta, the horse is here

[exotic belfry]

I am a programmer

[woven orchid]

guys do i do my homework or do i keep making tauic spectral cards

[exotic belfry]

Therefore I am lazy

[main path]

the bgm offer still stands

this would go hard as a background audio for the image

[chilly pine]

im leaving this server

[woven orchid]

wait nvm i forgot my homework is ltierally just to make a spotify playlist im going to do that

[main path]

dawg
i wish i had that type of homework

[woven orchid]

its for my easiest cl,ass

[main path]

i just submitted an essay like 30 mins ago

[woven orchid]

i have actual things to do in other classes but those are due in a few days anyway so im putting them off

but its just like a community building tthing where they gave us the playlist of 2 other people and we had to make a playlist for them that branched out a bit

[exotic belfry]

That's so easy wtf

[woven orchid]

i mean its not really homework its just . i can do it at home . and i didnt spend my class time wisely

[exotic belfry]

lol

[plush hound]

haaha

imagine having a homework

[woven orchid]

arent you unemployed and not in school or something

[plush hound]

fuck

[exotic belfry]

[woven orchid]

pick a struggle either be a timid freak or have a job

[main path]

aight its 12:20 am for me i should head to bed

💤

[woven orchid]

gl sleep

[plush hound]

HEY I NEVER DO MY HOMEWORK BEFORE

[chilly pine]

niko

[plush hound]

hello

[chilly pine]

actually i cant send that in here

[woven orchid]

yall ever just eat the entire pack of icebreakers all at once

[exotic belfry]

You boutta have the freshest breath in a 50 mile radius

[woven orchid]

truth nuke

[worn rain]

voucher fun

[woven orchid]

i eat mints procreationally

i mean recreationally

[drowsy parrot]

lily stop icebreaking i can smell the mint 8 hours away

[plush hound]

dragon's breath felt like an angel's breath

[woven orchid]

dragons breath felt like an angel shot

[drowsy parrot]

your breath felt like miasma

[plush hound]

big shot

[woven orchid]

hey pangaea

can i get an angel shot

looks at niko in fear

[plush hound]

WHAT

[drowsy parrot]

oh angel shot is an actual thing

kills nxkoo

[woven orchid]

it signals to the bartender please fucking help

[plush hound]

makes you gay

[drowsy parrot]

yknow what i like being a bartender

[drowsy parrot]

makes you go on the ground like a triceratops

[frigid mica]

Where do I post random shit for people in this channel to look at that isn’t anything about modding?

[cloud hill]

how much more till i nan-inf talisman?

[round ore]

you are nowhere close to that lmfao

[cloud hill]

okay think imma break my pc first then

[exotic belfry]

You don’t

[cloud hill]

im stuborn, imma get there eventually, even if i gotta code my own mod

[woven crag]

you will only get talisman naneinf by literally just adding an instant talisman naneinf button

and thats it

also if you try to construct such a thing on non-optimization branch talisman your balatro would just crash of stack overflow trying to store the number

[limber oak]

are you on bignum or omeganum

[round ore]

the problem is do you understand the maths

[round ore]

didnt they nuke bignum in the omeganum optimization

[limber oak]

we gotta address the elephant in the room

[woven orchid]

doesnt matter; theyre on omeganum
they are miles past bignum cap

ee308 tends to be smaller than ee12897

[limber oak]

yeah

okay

[cloud hill]

omeganum

[limber oak]

good luck hitting omeganum cap

[woven orchid]

the only way to reach omeganums cap is to make a joker that literally just sets your mult to the omeganum cap

as eris said

[round ore]

do you understand hyper e notation

[limber oak]

i think its ##1000

[woven orchid]

the scale of those numbers is too big from each other

[woven orchid]

wrong

e308##e308

[cloud hill]

nope but i will learn

[woven orchid]

ruby made it coolerer

[forest knoll]

talisman lied to you about that one

[limber oak]

an e???
past all the hashes??????

[woven orchid]

can i make an update to talisman that just updates the displayed limit to "Practically endless"

[round ore]

ok so ill explain some shit

[forest knoll]

that's the least impressive part

[woven orchid]

yes

[limber oak]

ok imma be fr

expantanum would go crazy 😭

[round ore]

so omeganum limit now is e308##e308

[woven orchid]

you can do e308{e308}e308 now
but unfortunately recursive bignums is a sin, so {e308} is the hard cap

[round ore]

yeah it's {10, 9e15, 1, 2}

[wanton rapids]

i doubt any mod focused on gameplay will get past {e308} though

[limber oak]

the only one that was making omeganum cry was pwx

but thats gone now so

[vivid seal]

wtf is even balatro at this point

[woven orchid]

can i add expantanum to talisman just to annoy people even more about numberslop

[limber oak]

do it

it would be very silly

[woven crag]

if you dont value your sanity then sure

[forest knoll]

if anyone wants to make a number go up balatro mod then i recommend making your own incremental game instead
skip the cards part, just inject pure big number into your veins

[woven crag]

true

[woven orchid]

just go play an incremental game

making your own is too much effort

[forest knoll]

perhaps

[woven orchid]

log onto galaxy.click

theres so many good ones, and then there's so many TMT ones

[limber oak]

i do actually have an account on galaxy.click what the helll

[worn rain]

hi people

[forest knoll]

classics include universal paperclips (although that might have too much going on) and cookie clicker

[woven orchid]

i'm not taking this back, TMT games are like the jokerforge of incremental games in the worst way possible

[limber oak]

unlike lua

you need js knowledge

[woven orchid]

the worst part being they all look the same so theres nothing unique at all

its basically just what if we strip everything unique from an incremental game and just made them all look the same. but its ok because we lowered the barrier of entry

[limber oak]

celestial incremental?

[round ore]

E6 = 10^6
E100 = 10^100
E100#2 = E(E100)
E100#3 = EEE100
E100#100#2 = E100#(E100#100)
E100#100#3 = E100#(E100#100#2)
E100#100#100#100 = E100#100#(E100#100#100#99)
E100##100 = E100#100#100...#100 (<- there are 100 of 100s there).

@cloud hill

[limber oak]

500 cigarettes

[woven orchid]

still has the classic TMT lack of visual originality

[cloud hill]

so baically 100^100^100?

[round ore]

what

100^100^100 is tiny

[limber oak]

idk, i find terraformental, biotomata, 1TFD quite peak (especially 1tfd)

[round ore]

it's only a few magnitudes of order larger than the observable universe

[cloud hill]

like 100^e100

[round ore]

which is a joke to big number

[limber oak]

how much are we talking

[round ore]

small

[woven crag]

thats like e2e100

[round ore]

im just scaling against current omeganum limit

[woven crag]

youre well past that

[cloud hill]

okay, anyways i forgot that # existed

[limber oak]

i think thats within bignum

[woven crag]

just wait until you see

expantanum notation

which has J

and uhhh

[round ore]

wait until bro found out about
fgh

[woven crag]

other stupid shit

[round ore]

this is why we need slownum

actually lets do hardnum

[limber oak]

da hell is slownum

[cloud hill]

my brain

[round ore]

an idea by mathisfun

[wanton rapids]

omeganum focused mods can be fun but are basically impossible to do crossmod with

[round ore]

which store number as slow growing hierarchy

[limber oak]

only reason why i play on omeganum is to not deal with naneinf

[worn rain]

my mod introduces numnum

every number is replaced with burger 🍔 🍔 🍔 🍔

[limber oak]

how did we get here

[woven crag]

borgar

[wanton rapids]

powerful

[wind token]

my mod introduced n... it just subtracts the last two numbers from your number

[woven orchid]

if i were jigsaw my final challenge would be to calculate f_w(10,000) with only a piece of infinite paper, a pill that makes you immortal and an infinitely lasting pen

[wanton rapids]

hi flote

[limber oak]

scary

[wanton rapids]

i would just not take the pill

[woven orchid]

but if you escape then you live forever except for being killed

[wanton rapids]

thats still not a good thing

[wind token]

id end my life with the pen bro

[woven orchid]

do you not want to live forever

with the option of death

[manic summit]

*kills*

[woven orchid]

what if you had to calculate 3{4}3

[wanton rapids]

3{4}3 is probably doable (?)

[woven orchid]

instead of basically {10,000}

[wind token]

I DONT KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS

[woven orchid]

it's more doable

[manic summit]

L

[wind token]

id still kill my self

[woven crag]

kind of

[wanton rapids]

that's 3^^^^3 right

[woven orchid]

ya

[manic summit]

✅

[limber oak]

yeah thats just hexation

[woven crag]

3^^^3 is already like

insanely large though

[limber oak]

that reminds me, i made a joker which really hurts you

[round ore]

{3, 65, 1, 2} is roughly graham's number

[limber oak]

just abbreviate it at G(64)

[round ore]

expantanum limit is around {10, 9e15, 1, 2}

[limber oak]

whats the effect?

^^^0.1

[woven orchid]

i love game design

[wanton rapids]

isnt that basically just =1

[digital jungle]

then id just take infinite time because i have no clue what that even means

[woven orchid]

yes

[limber oak]

sometimes with high values i would get something >1

like 3

[wanton rapids]

so basically its =1

[woven orchid]

clearly very well designed

[woven crag]

=1 chips and mult unless you have hexation yourself

[limber oak]

its rarity is named 'detriment' for a reason!!!!

[woven orchid]

yeah it could be detrimental in a more interesting way

[limber oak]

you can get around this

[woven crag]

ok

[manic summit]

score = 1, new entropy joker? /s

[limber oak]

if you position the joker to be the leftmost joker, that ^^^0.1 is not as scary as long as you have a bit of +mult and e_mult

[manic summit]

true

[woven crag]

the flint if it locked in 🔥

[limber oak]

there will be more, im simply testing the idea there

-# it aint just gd now

[round ore]

if i were jigsaw my final would be the same as lily's but you have to do g_(psi (I)) (3) instead

[frigid mica]

The closest I’ll ever get to naneinf talisman is either nan or infinity

[frigid mica]

Hot take: Operators above multiplication are useless, Because unless the number being modified is any other number, you’re literally only going to get 1.

[frigid mica]

How do mfs keep coming up with shit like this

[round ore]

who

[frigid mica]

Where do y’all get ideas to make your own numbers

[round ore]

math

duh

[frigid mica]

Maybe I’m too stupid.

[fickle yew]

Weird question maybe not weird and I'm stupid but why can't I seem to unlock money tree in Cryptid?

I complete rounds with full interest but my counter remains at 0

[manic summit]

It's bugged so just force unlock it with debugplus

[gilded tulip]

Hey modding chat. What did I miss
I was on a business trip for a while and it feels like I missed something

[dusty token]

good 2pm

[fickle yew]

👍

[manic summit]

Ruby was banned for arguing with an ai bro

idk the details but yeah

[gilded tulip]

Ruby was not banned for arguing with an AI bro.

[manic summit]

that's what she told me 🤷‍♀️

[gilded tulip]

Ruby was banned for not being able to have good faith discussions

[round ore]

hmmm

[manic summit]

14 am

[gilded tulip]

Like, I'd like to imagine people know that I am very lenient with my moderation

Genuinely I don't think I have banned a single person over anything aside from spamming and scams

[round ore]

ok bro when are u increasing your sell cost by 3$ \j

[gilded tulip]

But even I have a maximum threshold to my patience

Like, we were discussing a hypothetical about modding Balatro on a PS5 with Linux installed on it

And it was a great discussion

But ruby didn't really follow the hypothetical and threw out this banger

Which goes beyond hyperbole. And this is a consistent pattern

[manic summit]

She very much crashed out I see

[gilded tulip]

As far as I remember ruby has kicked up several undeserved fusses

Across 2025 and my time hanging out in the modding chat

That is the actual reason she was banned

And I am officially in favor of this, since I believe she has been warned at least two times about this behaviour

[manic summit]

She has caused some problems in the cryptid server as well, but since she's mod now she hasn't really caused issues there

[gilded tulip]

You can argue with AI bros all you want. I am in favor of discussion

But you do NOT get to throw around lines like this

Consistently

Across multiple months

Despite warnings

[manic summit]

She 10000% took things too far 😭😢

[fickle yew]

ok this is gonna sound more stupid

How do I do this within debugplus

[manic summit]

Hold tab, it tells you there

[fickle yew]

gotcha finally figured it out thx

[pliant oyster]

She was annoying

[chilly pine]

what is the alpha part

[round ore]

limit ordinal

[manic summit]

Chat I need to make my mod but I can't get on my pc since it's almost 2 am

[round ore]

ssh

use your phone

ssh into your pc

[manic summit]

My dad turns the wifi off

<@&1133519078540185692>

[round ore]

install some lua ide to code on your phone

i personally use neovim on phone but you do you

[manic summit]

but I can't activately play balatro to test things

[round ore]

are you a fucking bot or what

no

[manic summit]

they have some gooner ai pfp 💀💔💔🥀

[round ore]

im not a furry

[round ore]

gooner furry ai gen pfp

no self respecting artist would use ai pfp as their pfp

[static vale]

banned, thanks!

[manic summit]

Oh and they're banned lol

[manic summit]

🤑🤑

[manic summit]

And I can't get the lmm

[round ore]

real dev dont test

they just know it works

[manic summit]

I barely know lua 💔🥀

I need to test

[jaunty galleon]

being based in a bannable offence in balacord now, got it

[manic summit]

Wait why are you on a different account

[round ore]

if you call that based...

[round ore]

i have multiple alts

[jaunty galleon]

i meant ruby but whatever

[obsidian sky]

so uh. any good balatro servers related to modding? 🧌

[jaunty galleon]

no

[obsidian sky]

damn

[harsh glacier]

[jaunty galleon]

actually the modded wiki server is aight

[obsidian sky]

oh wait they have a server? i had no idea

[jaunty galleon]

yeah they mostly use it for, you know, wiki stuff

the only big servers for specific mods have been Cryptid and formerly PWX, both of which are much worse than balacord

[obsidian sky]

i see

[jaunty galleon]

it truly is balatrover

[round ore]

yeah... i meant exactly what i meant

[round ore]

we should just create one ourselves

yknow

[manic summit]

TRUE

[manic summit]

Cryptid is okay but people are incompetent there (as a mod there)

[jaunty galleon]

the worst idea known to man

[round ore]

yknow how i am, i cant be a mod lol

so uh yall should found a club

[manic summit]

you'd just tell people they're stupid

[full edge]

the one good balatro mod discord is the Kino one because no one there talks unless they're reporting a bug

[frigid furnace]

I will note that despite us having an #off-topic, I don't really like having discussions pertaining to modding and the community around it on that server, because more often than not it just ends up not having any good faith surrounding it

[manic summit]

Honestly there should be a general balatro modding server

[round ore]

thats cuz i dont want to lie yk

[jaunty galleon]

i don’t think there’s a balatro modder on the planet that wants to admin the inevitable shithole that turns into

[obsidian sky]

i'm really surprised that i genuinely just can't find that many unofficial community-led servers, for a game with a fanbase as large as this. like, in general. not even mod-related

[round ore]

just become toxic yourself bruh

[manic summit]

yep

[round ore]

im also dumb bruh, got really depressed before accepting that my life is pointless

might as well see what's left of it

[manic summit]

I'm hella depressed too 😇

[frigid furnace]

Balatro and it's mods aren't complex enough to warrant that many sub-community centers

Like most of the underlying game tech is easy to pick up on

[round ore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P08nSjyGmCk
@manic summit watch this sis very ++

[full edge]

I think Balatro's just got a lot of players, but not a lot of people that are die hard committed. After all, the active people in the modding scene add up to maybe 50 people. I think most sub communities would emerge around bigger content creators like Roffle or Spectred

[manic summit]

Even high score runs and stuff are simple enough to where we don't need a separate server for them lil

[manic summit]

I'm not watching arknights thing

[dusty token]

i dont feel like making a server for my own because it'll probably be less popular than what i have in my modded forum

[full edge]

Only reason a server is helpful is that I've found that people are more willing to report crashes in a server's bug report channel rather than a channel

[frigid furnace]

I already get overstimulated running servers for my friend groups I don't wanna deal with servers for mods lmao

[round ore]

you are

deal with it 😇

[manic summit]

I managed a server for awhile and I wasn't really active so I left because I would get too many useless pings

[dusty token]

i might update my readme to link my modded forum

[jaunty galleon]

balatro modding server but it’s only for bug reports

[full edge]

my dream

[manic summit]

peak maybe

[round ore]

hmm maybe your mm can use more than just one backend

[frigid furnace]

• update smods
• use smods latest release not dev
• update this mod
• mod is unsupported
  Long ago, the 4 responses lived in harmony, then everything changed when update smods attacked

[wanton rapids]

i think this is called Github

[dusty token]

mod index, thunderstore, photon
i dont wanna add more

[olive hamlet]

If its for bugs, I dont imo it warrants a server, maybe Im too ehh on making my own server of my own mod
Also github issues exist

[frigid furnace]

Only the Developer, master of all 4 responses, could defeat update smods, but when the world needed them the most, they vanished

[round ore]

bro

just add more

[dusty token]

no

[round ore]

you have like 3 backends, only 1 is actually relevant afaik

and by backend i mean the download backend

[dusty token]

i mean, what other backend i should add

[jaunty galleon]

truth nuke

[dusty token]

nexus, gamebanana?

[round ore]

git

[dusty token]

oh

[chilly pine]

🤯

[dusty token]

soon ig

[round ore]

https://github.com/nvim-mini/mini.deps
you can use this as a reference

[dusty token]

thing is, adding git support is good and ive been thinking abt it, but with the way im detecting the mods rn it can conflict badly

[round ore]

ok so

just detect git on $PATH

[dusty token]

🤔

[limber oak]

question is what will balala 1.1 break

[vivid seal]

it will break something when it finishes it's ice cream

[manic summit]

wdym? Like break mods?

Absolutely

it will break smods 100%

[ornate ibex]

Why use smods???

[jaunty galleon]

balamod truther in chat

[ornate ibex]

I know this sounds dumb at first but if you think about it removing lovely from the equation and justing having your own lua wrapper would be better

[wanton rapids]

for an individual mod, sure, but you throw away compatibility with basically every other mod

[jaunty galleon]

smods as an API has a lot of functions i would hate to live without

[wanton rapids]

also yeah

[jaunty galleon]

also have you seen balatro source code

good lord

[ornate ibex]

yeah i just like screwing around a lot more than using mods themselves though i suppose lol

[wanton rapids]

also i truly doubt 1.1 could break smods that much

[ornate ibex]

if talking about a huge update then it definitely could because lovely has an over reliance on source code pattern but not that much if just a tiny update its easily fixable like you said

which is why somebody should make a lua wrapper that will just replace lovely cough cough

[dusty token]

👀

[ornate ibex]

there are ups and downs to both tbh though

[round ore]

yeah but then we need to rewrite balatro in rust ya know

[manic summit]

Lovely works fine so there's no need

[umbral pilot]

I mean people are able to do what they do because of the control gained from lovely injections

[wanton rapids]

modding before lovely was horrendous we do not want to go back there

[umbral pilot]

you can do what naneINF and IMM do where you use the save-dir trick to load game files, which is pretty valid and cool

[dusty token]

true
ive been making lua based loader, and it still uses source code patching for balatro modding

[umbral pilot]

pretty similar to naneINF then

[ornate ibex]

just speaking of ideas i have sometimes though I agree lovely is definitely helpful

[wanton rapids]

oh is naneinf the [forbidden] one

[umbral pilot]

yeah for platforms not to be mentioned

[ornate ibex]

and wouldnt want to get rid of it ever lol

[umbral pilot]

but naneINF reimplements the lovely patch format 1:1 which is sick

[manic summit]

Source code patching is necessary for complex things in modding

[dusty token]

im actually interested

too bad the modding rules

[ornate ibex]

yep

[umbral pilot]

it's rad, you should chat with 3XPL about it https://discord.gg/wQNmkakb

[ornate ibex]

what is this???

[manic summit]

I'm joining this too

[umbral pilot]

he's planning on replacing the backend with liblovely IIRC but it would still be a good place to talk about integrated lualoaders

[ornate ibex]

ohh ok

[wanton rapids]

is liblovely the crate that actually does the patching?

like. parsing the patches and applying them to the buffers i mean

[ornate ibex]

but i think there is the perspective that you need source patching when if you can just require the file and use all its functions in your own scripts that would be easier and more fun

[umbral pilot]

not really, liblovely is a native library that we can embed directly into luajit and love2d directly

you would still need to inject your code into the game

but what you're describing is basically just smods

[ornate ibex]

yes you would but you dont have to patch everything one by one

[umbral pilot]

what do you mean?

[ornate ibex]

in order for smods to work certain functions are patched this is what lovely does exactly

[dusty token]

too bad my lovely support is so suck, the smods patching slows down loading by 30s

[umbral pilot]

ah are you reimplementing lovely patches in pure lua?

[dusty token]

yeah

[umbral pilot]

yeah, 3xlp also had performance issues with his reimplementation

you need to do a lot of work in luaspace to avoid repetitive string clones and whatnot

[timid flame]

Hey people, i have been collecting some ideas for a mod for a while now, one that i would be interested in if it’s possible: a joker that has 3 variations. And if one shows up it blocks the other 2?

[wanton rapids]

this could be done with in_pool stuff yeah

[umbral pilot]

in lovely I get around that by using a rope which lets us mutate string content in place in like O(1) time

so it's relatively fast

[umbral pilot]

smods needs to get its code in the game, often in awkward places that are hard to get at programatically

and the game isnt built around being able to import en mass and use

so you need an intermediary injection step to expose the necessary functionality

[manic summit]

smods lovely patches are all over the place ngl

[timid flame]

Neat!

[umbral pilot]

haha yeah, no kidding

it's a bit crazy

[frigid furnace]

i mean, so is vanilla code, gotta fight fire with fire

[manic summit]

Vanilla code is more comprehensible then smods patches

[umbral pilot]

patches just arent very comprehensible right now unfortunately

which is part of why my lovely-sdk work is so important imho

[wanton rapids]

oh the patch warnings are neat

[dusty token]

i reimplemented regex in lua :')

[manic summit]

that'll be really useful when it's more finished

[umbral pilot]

3xpl used a library that seemed to get him like 90% of the way 😭

[umbral pilot]

oh yeah. I implement a patch timeline system so we have total diagnostic information about patch application order, hot zones, etc.

so the sky is the limit in doing conflict analysis

[umbral pilot]

needs like 200x more polish, it's incredibly buggy right now

although funnily enough most of those bugs are UI related. the backend is quite good

[manic summit]

Are you planning adding some link with vscode like we were talking about in vc

[umbral pilot]

still planning on ways to do it better than how im doing it right now

"open editor" button opens it in your default editor in a temp file and watches for changes

[manic summit]

Oh, yeah that's rather jank

[ornate ibex]

whats it written in love 2d or???

[umbral pilot]

yeah it's not a great workflow

[umbral pilot]

it's written in egui

[ornate ibex]

ohh so rust

[umbral pilot]

yeah. it's a pretty great UI library

but it's pure immediate mode so you need to be exceptionally careful about your architecture otherwise it can fall apart really easily

[manic summit]

Rust is something that I would want to learn at some point

[ornate ibex]

yeah rust is a very fun language but its still getting there gui wise tbh

but good luck with your project

[umbral pilot]

slint is pretty great from what I've heard. I think if I went back to 0 I wouldve just gone for slint but egui has been great as well

[ornate ibex]

yeah i would do more projects in rust if it had more gui libraries

[umbral pilot]

I recommend it. it's got some sticking points but it's a generally great experience

[ornate ibex]

seconded

[umbral pilot]

valid, yeah. check out slint and lmk what you think

[ornate ibex]

alr will do

[manic summit]

How hard is it to learn? Like if I barely comprehend lua how cooked am I?

[umbral pilot]

you could do it since you're smart, but it would be a struggle

[ornate ibex]

its got a deep learning curve but if you read the documentation and actually read it then its the best programming language ever ^

[manic summit]

Should I like get better with lua or go for something more middle ground in difficulty

[ornate ibex]

do you know what metatables are

if so you probably as good as it gets in lua lol

besides a few neat tricks here and there

[manic summit]

Like I said, I barely comprehend Lua

[ornate ibex]

ohhh well then you should probably as them on this one since im an idiot lol

but i would say stick with lua and learn it since its an easy fun first language and can do a lot of cool things for how simple it is

like i made a lua vm in lua

like how can you make something that runs lua in lua its crazy

atleast to me it is idk

[manic summit]

So meta tables is how talisman works? (Just searched them up)

[ornate ibex]

uhh @umbral pilot

sorry for pinging but thats on them

[wanton rapids]

talisman has a Big metatable, yes

[manic summit]

attempt to compare number with table 💔🥀

[ornate ibex]

https://devforum.roblox.com/t/full-beginner-guide-to-metatables-what-are-they-and-every-metamethod-explained/2505946

this is where i actually learned about metatables

[dusty token]

i am going to compare them
2
table: 0x7fe13dc

[manic summit]

why roblox

[ornate ibex]

uhh its before they went luau

[umbral pilot]

lua is lua

same general concepts

[ornate ibex]

and thats where i learned my lua

i used to just mess around on roblox

you can learn a lot on devforum tbh actually

[woven orchid]

help i cant fit my full name

[manic summit]

I was making a game on roblox with someone and they did all the coding and I just did the building and stuff

[dusty token]

i learned lua from computercraft

[manic summit]

isn't that a minecraft mod 😭

[woven orchid]

i learned lua from Reading other mods code and Winging it

[wanton rapids]

lua is made to be embedded in other things

[ornate ibex]

indeed

[north salmon]

it is

[woven orchid]

at this point i feel like saying you “know” a programming language is mostly meaningless
once you understand general logic it never really feels like a time investment to “learn” a programming language at least to me

[umbral pilot]

exactly yeah

one of the biggest challenges early on is learning out to learn out to code

once you get used to the logic structures it's all syntax, which is pretty easy

[north salmon]

there is "understanding of basic syntax and most used keywords" level of knowledge, and there's "knowing about all keywords and default libraries" level of knowledge

and in 99% of the time first is just... enough

[umbral pilot]

the latter is exceptionally rare nowadays 😆

mostly because the tooling is so good

[manic summit]

In middle school I screwed around with python in my coding class but I forgot it all, I messed around in turtle graphics which was fun

[north salmon]

with unlimited access to internet and modern language servers, there's no point in memorizing every keyword and library

[limber oak]

name one alternative

[umbral pilot]

pure lovely

doing it manually

[manic summit]

true

[ornate ibex]

huhh i said that years ago but i was talking about ideas of one

[storm forum]

Meanwhile, my previous Lua modding antics...

[manic summit]

editing the exe

[woven orchid]

seems fitting

[north salmon]

real

[woven orchid]

i wish i had more projects i could point to and say “hey look at this” but frankly i hadn’t made anything impressive until i started modding balatro

[dusty token]

dont lose the exe info though ;)

[storm forum]

Unreleased, but still a valid point.

[manic summit]

worm

[ornate ibex]

sonic lol

[distant badge]

listening to imaginal disk rn

[ornate ibex]

good for you opal

[woven orchid]

i’m Lily

[distant badge]

thank you imbǎdatfortnitė

[ornate ibex]

lol

[manic summit]

hi lily I'm pizza emoji

[hard plank]

what

[manic summit]

wdym what

[ornate ibex]

what is free ruby i must be living under a rock

[manic summit]

Person got banned

[ornate ibex]

why???

and so what???

make a petition to get them unbanned lol

get everyone to sign it

[manic summit]

#⚙・modding-general message read down

[ornate ibex]

create petition it would be funny

maybe it would actually get them unbanned who knows

[manic summit]

Not that simple

[limber oak]

theres no am and pm in the 24h ⏰ system

[manic summit]

I'm making a joke 😝

[ornate ibex]

welp they aren't getting unbanned then

[plush hound]

13 PM

[frigid mica]

An exotic joker that is the only joker to be found in the shop naturally, but it costs a shit ton of money to even buy.

And even then it does nothing.

[manic summit]

what..

[frigid mica]

Imagine if such a joker existed.

[manic summit]

Could be an interesting gimmick for a joker

[frigid mica]

The only good thing about the joker is that it’s exotic, so you can use commit to get a different exotic joker out of it.

[manic summit]

It actually having an effect

[frigid mica]

That’s the only use case for the joker.

[ornate ibex]

instead of pokermon do digimon

[manic summit]

True

[ornate ibex]

i know im a genius no need to thank me for that idea

lol

how has nobody though of that though seriously

[manic summit]

#⚙・modding-general message

[ornate ibex]

didnt happen #⚙・modding-general message

[turbid ruin]

We have a yu gi oh mod

[ornate ibex]

he isnt a programmer right

[manic summit]

the reply ping 💀

[ornate ibex]

bruhh ☝️ 🤓

[manic summit]

Are you talking about n?

Guy who made yugioh mod

[ornate ibex]

so yugioh is digimon??? sorry i didnt watch those shows only pokemon so i dont know please dont hate lol

[manic summit]

No 💔🥀

[ornate ibex]

ohh ok were good then the guy didnt make the digimon mod he cant program

that is a good mod idea though

[manic summit]

I agree

[ornate ibex]

tbh we need a hardcore balatro though its to easy

did someone make that already 🙁

[manic summit]

Hardcore challenges in aikoshen:

[ornate ibex]

so someone did

the mod got made already 🙁

is that what your saying

and they name it the most stupid thing ever too

[manic summit]

Aikoshen is more than just that hardcore challenges

It's called aikoyori's shenanigans

[ornate ibex]

everyone went to bed bruhh

[manic summit]

It's just easier to type aikoshen

[full edge]

I need to grab some small mods that add jokers that I can test some stuff with 🤔

[ornate ibex]

i wish i could help but im stupid

[manic summit]

Like how small

[full edge]

Mostly programmed by one person, and mostly just adding jokers. Though I don't think big mods would be bad either. I could just grab Grab bag and Lucky Rabbit and test from there

[manic summit]

This maybe
https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1415537444639477801

[ornate ibex]

unc

[manic summit]

who are you calling unc

[full edge]

But for #1406740128231194644 Value Manipulation API I need to see if the system works at applying stuff that's mod specific so I just need a few mods that have consistency in their variables, hahaha

[ornate ibex]

cough

[manic summit]

Me?

[ornate ibex]

no what

umm im gonna get off bye

[manic summit]

Oh okay...

I'm so confused

[frigid mica]

So it turns out

[grand geode]

wavewave

hi ice hi hi hi

[frigid mica]

My own fantastic jokers are not affected by “Apostle of Wands”

[ornate ibex]

what are you gonna do about it

[grand geode]

turn off reply ping

[ornate ibex]

🙁

😐

[manic summit]

It's 4 am, do I sleep

[ornate ibex]

yeah arent you a child or something

dont you have school

[frigid mica]

Wtf I literally win now, Asriel’s one of my most op jokers currently 😭

[umbral pilot]

probably wise :-)

[turbid ruin]

Never heard of wise

Stay up

[turbid ruin]

Wtf is this 😭

Horse of hearts 💔

[dusty token]

what is with discord forum search

lovely injector - thread not found
love2d - thread found

[turbid ruin]

Yeah it’s so ass

I noticed

[storm forum]

Go and find out.

[turbid ruin]

Thank you for blessing me with slop mr 🙏

[dusty token]

i guess they only do string contains

cant blame them, i do that too

[chilly pine]

LOL

[turbid ruin]

That’s not an excuse

[dusty token]

😅

[chilly pine]

quite lovely

[turbid ruin]

For the record you can type “shimishimyashimya” in google and you’ll find the song

[round ore]

yeah we got fuzzy searching

in fucking neovim

[turbid ruin]

Woah

[round ore]

it shouldnt be hard to add it in discord

[turbid ruin]

Can i come see

[round ore]

come see what

my skibidi toilets?

sure

[turbid ruin]

This

[prisma latch]

i have readied my checklist for stuff i wanna do on my mod today, now it is time for me to. not do that cause i got actual real life better things to do first

[full edge]

ren, which of your mods was the one that included the Big edition?

and that did value manipulation stuff, right?

[turbid ruin]

It’s fucktober again

[prisma latch]

it was mod formerly known as rendoms (hodgepodge), and yeah big is meant to double all values on a card

its. a little jank

hopefully value manip api will do me a solid lol

[full edge]

I was gonna ask if you wanted me to help test it out and give some feedback on usability for it, once I've dropped it, haha

[round ore]

look up blink.cmp

there is a rust impls

and a lua fallback

[trail berry]

good morning guys

wow what the fuck

[prisma latch]

oh yeah sure totally

[limber oak]

i know my code could really use some optimization

[full edge]

I think I only need to set up the proper standard for all the Vanilla jokers now!

But made a quick and dirty standard for Grab Bag that would absolutely crash because it only checks for odds to exclude at the moment, haha. But as you can see, it doesn't multiply all the numbers on the card!

@jaunty galleon If you want Value Manipulation compatibility with the API, I can set it up for you, I've got half the work done now, anyways 😛

Oh, and I shouldn't forget to include the converter code for the Cryptid/Cryptlib value manipulation

[onyx cloak]

Pfft I just had funny idea for a joker

Can not be debuffed 
Does nothing else 

Rarity: uncommon or legendary 

[wanton rapids]

if "does nothing else" means it doesn't take up a joker slot that'd be funny

and like. couldn't be sold or destroyed or have an edition

[west wyvern]

how do i use the debug mod

[wanton rapids]

debugplus?

if you just want to spawn jokers press "3" or "ctrl+3" (idr but its one of the two) in the collection on a joker

[turbid ruin]

HOLD TAB AND READ 🗣️

[full edge]

Setting up the Vanilla standard now, and god I'm so ready for there be a bunch of quirky edge cases

especially for jokers that don't have an extra table in their config

[wanton rapids]

what does the definition look like for a joker?

for the valuemanip compat

[full edge]

Oh, I think I already see stuff with quirked up potential, haha. But if I want it to be able to work on the basic +4 mult Jimbo, I probably need to figure out a way to have it determine whether the +mult is the joker's intended effect, or from some other source

There's nothing you do with the joker itself, in most cases. For the Grab Bag test I posted earlier, the definition looks like this

I'm probably gonna see if I can set up a fully functional standard for Grab Bag, just because I'd love to have a mod I can test with that isn't written by me, haha (and it'd tell me how difficult it'd be to set up a standard for a well-written mod with good naming conventions)

[sleek granite]

oh damn blockbusters on valuemanip now?

[full edge]

Yeah, should have a basic version that's usable for people up today or tomorrow

[sleek granite]

damn what did i miss since counters

[full edge]

Only core functionalities that I need to set up still are the vanilla standard guidelines, and the convertor for other value manip systems, like Cryptid's

[full edge]

The Spells API, though I need to still add more stuff to that. Been chasing the fun a bit, instead of doing my due diligence and actually finishing stuff, haha

But I want to have set casting animations in the API as well, and the UI needs to be improved a bit for custom suit stuff

[sleek granite]

interdasting

i should update my mod

[dull field]

Playing Murphy’s new mod Nopelatro (literally everything is a 1 in 2 chance now),
picks up Yahimod’s Adobe Premiere (X2 mult, 1 in 6 chance to crash the game).
“Oh, that’s basically free X2 mult, sweet! A (1 in 2) in 6 will never go off!”
Premiere crashes next hand, immediately
Steammodded bug where selling a card will crash the game due to NaN-colored particles

[full edge]

Also added more complex spell stuff, so you can now have spells that need specific recipes that always get cast, regardless of whether you have a card that can cast it, and unlockable spells with their own recipes, though I want to make that system a bit easier to use as well

[dull field]

Awesome. Sweet. Thanks game, didn’t want to play that run anyways

[full edge]

What's the steammodded bug?

or crash, rather

What's the state of Yahimod, btw? Does that still get maintained?

[dull field]

Doesn’t seem to be

[full edge]

That's a shame. No fan that's maintaining a fork either?

[storm forum]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[full edge]

Oh, I'm realizing I also need to figure out whether I should take ownership of some jokers so I can make their value manipulation functionality closer to Kino's, or whether I just let Vanilla's implementation be a simpler one 🤔

Because Kino's works the way it does because I have a bunch of variables that I only include in the code to ensure interaction with the value manipulation

[sleek granite]

the latter imo

[dull field]

No idea. I can’t trace it. It attempts to read a particle color from a table when selling a joker or consumable, or sometimes using a planet, and then just bricks up instead. The log will have an insanely large number negative number in the first entry of the list, and all other entries in the table are just nil. I think it might be from an interaction between Seals On Everything, Pokelatro/Pokermon, and Steammodded

[sleek granite]

i think part of what can make a generalized system like this cool is how it might interact differently with jokers that seem similar otherwise

[dull field]

As far as I have found, no

[full edge]

Yeah, that's fair. I'll probably add some toggleable tooltips to this system in case you wanna make some details obvious

[hard plank]

im new here what mod do i play

[sleek granite]

plus people will surely implement their own valuemanip compat in different ways

[full edge]

#1338302514616995892 is a banger

[hard plank]

||this is gonna be the last time i use this same joke||

[full edge]

#1334717157098913833 and #1217704157574860810 are great too

[chilly pine]

hotpot

[full edge]

oh shit

it's aiko

lol

[dull field]

Aikoyori’s shenanigans

[wanton rapids]

try https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1380780133018767450

[hard plank]

so tired of mult

[frigid mica]

At this point let’s just not play Texas hold ‘em at all.

[digital jungle]

play nothing because modding sucks

[frigid mica]

i hate all that exists and all that doesn't exist and in between that

[sterile hornet]

thank you niko from one shot, i was getting tired

[surreal walrus]

what do I do if I can't unlock the next stake after I beat the previous one? I beat abandoned red stake two times, I quit to menu in the first one and lost on purpose in ante 9 in the second one, both of those didn't count.

I have these mods: jokerdisplay, handy, blueprint, systemclock, jokersellvalue, nopeus, run reviewer (this one is disabled)

[full edge]

Oh my, Mr Bones is hardcoded, huh

[hard plank]

I'm sorry

[round ore]

https://x.com/NoriZCI

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I recommend checking out his works

[full edge]

joker stencil is also hard coded? damn

I should grab Cryptid and see how that code handles all these hardcoded things

[plush hound]

i feel like Cryptid had it the hardest because they modded the game in early era

not to mention their somewhat-out-of-box jokers

[wanton rapids]

cryptid was post-lovely

that's not early

okay it is but

[full edge]

I mean, I'm not gonna make a compat system for Cryptid. I'm just gonna do what I did for Kino compat and that means adding a hook to Cryptid's function and adding a converter there, in case the API system can be used

As well as the other way around

But it's more that I don't remember if cryptid's system handles the jokers that I'm learning now have their values hardcoded, like Stencil

[plush hound]

foiled again

[harsh glacier]

[jaunty galleon]

just saw this, if you’d like to send in a pr i’ll merge it as soon as i start working on grab bag again

i have my pc now but no way to connect it to the internet

[full edge]

The way it's currently set up, you wouldn't even need a PR, haha

It's one file that's still part of the Blockbuster code, atm

[sweet bramble]

blueberry pie (obligatory blueprint clone)

[storm forum]

hm... Balatro's music and flourish.mid may have the same time signature.

[turbid ruin]

Tell me when rubies become free so i can invest my whole 1$ into the ruby stock market

[limber gull]

what are some good QOL Mods?

This one looks good

[wanton rapids]

that's #1241580123766128761

[prisma latch]

man some of these blinds are gonna suck to program

oh come on balatro

im just trying to hear my power pack music in game and you give me an ante 1 small blind assist tag

well i gotta take it

free perish legendary

[full edge]

very simple UI indicator. Think I might try and come up with a broader system to show mechanical compatibility for stuff soon

Because that'd be very handy to implement when it comes to both this and force trigger stuff. Think I might just make a little addition that adds little colored orbs underneath the joker's description, or the badges, to indicate compat. Blue orb if it's blueprint compatible, purple for value manipulation, green for force trigger, etc.

[prisma latch]

i might have to change the lead instrument of the power pack music.. it sounds good at full speed but slowed down it gains a weird tone

the arpeggio is also barely audible ingame

[full edge]

so curious what these were intended to be used for, hahaha

[prisma latch]

is that raised fist or smth?? lol

[full edge]

yup

[west hill]

I like this idea of coloured orbs for compat icons, so long as there's an empty "socket" otherwise

[full edge]

Yeah, that'd be the plan. Gonna mess around with it a bit after I set up the vanilla compat stuff for the value manipulation

[sleek granite]

balatro goes niko

[prisma latch]

no way

i probably am gonna make a niko joker at some point tbh

i already have a sun suit

[full edge]

I'm trying to convince myself that I shouldn't just lovely patch some of these hardcoded values. but it's probably better to just not touch those

[sleek granite]

not every joker needs to work with it

[cold rose]

I need to balatropost

‼️

[full edge]

Yeah, with the UI indicating what's going on, it'll be fine. Just so surprised that stencil and mr bones use hardcoded values, haha. Makes it so the player can't as easily just assume which jokers would be compatible

[sleek granite]

valuemancy....

[full edge]

Business Card is hardcoded in the dollar value it returns 🥲

[digital jungle]

holy shit windowkill mention

[wanton rapids]

i feel like the v2 blind should just reduce your score by its score

though that'd probably just end up being a vv sidegrade

[prisma latch]

what does vv sidegrade mean

[wanton rapids]

violet vessel

[prisma latch]

windowkill nation unite

[prisma latch]

oh yeah

i think it would be more fun to have a blind that feels like a race to the finish, like an actual 1v1

[full edge]

Oh, the game also doesn't handle the way values are upgraded very consistently. Runner stores the stacked chips in ability.extra.chips, but green joker stores its stacked mult in ability.mult

[sleek granite]

i love balatro

[full edge]

hmm, might need to hardcode in a way to not increment chips if chips_mod exists, because it's the only one that'd work like that

all other value types are stored in config rather than config.extra

Okay, think I just make multiple compat standards for vanilla, that's easier

[crude verge]

untitled goose game

[acoustic igloo]

hjonk

[crude verge]

a little fixing

[runic pollen]

Random joker idea i had
Name: the power of the forge
Effect: every played card has a 1 in 4 chance of getting a random enhancement and/or edition
Way of unlocking: play a 5 card hand where every card is modified in a different way

[prisma latch]

low notes are a little hard to hear and the square arpeggio might be a bit too loud but other than th ti think this is good

honestly if anyone wants themes fot hteir packs these are pretty fun to make so hmu

ice was that you about to take my offer before realising how many packs you have

lol

[gilded vortex]

@plush hound?

[prisma latch]

STOP GIVING ME ASSIST TAGS IN ANTE 1

ACTUALLY NO KEEP DOING THAT

I LIKE LEGENDARIES

[full edge]

Might actually need to go through all vanilla jokers just to be sure it all works as intended. But the chips stacking jokers at least obey their own rules now

Now it's time to set the system up for individual overrides you can set in the joker

[prisma latch]

ok wow yeah the new power pack music works really well in game

damn i got runerigus

[full edge]

I don't actually have all that many packs, haha. I mean, compared to how many I could have

[prisma latch]

i am NOT getting a good stone card build set up in 5 turns just for it to become worthless again

[gilded vortex]

I’ve considered something like Companion before but I couldn’t think of a way to make it work in a fair way.

I think Roaring Knight doesn’t make much sense as a Showdown Boss Blind by itself. I have a similar concept as a Boss, except it’s just the winning hand.

I’ve long thought something like Marksman would be really cool, but I have no idea how to program it (outside of maybe making some “replays”). I think it would also be more with back and forth, which Balatro isn’t built for natively, so it’d probably require a mod built around the concept

[gilded vortex]

What’s this for

[plush hound]

thats nikoyori

[gilded vortex]

Also the joke username is very funny

[frigid mica]

What you think about my spy joker?

[full edge]

Blockbuster: Value Manipulation API

[crude verge]

PEAK

PEAK ALERT

[gilded vortex]

No white border nor Joker text

[full edge]

Setting it up so it works for the Vanilla jokers, which I can also backport into Kino, which is a neat bonus

[frigid mica]

[Obligatory Beyond Legendary+ Rarity]

[gilded vortex]

I think the face and the hand merge together a bit too much

[gilded vortex]

What does it do

[frigid mica]

Gonna have to draw this all over again 😭

[full edge]

@gilded vortex It's Kino's value manipulation system but more robust and made as an API. It's opt-in, so if you don't set up compatibility, your jokers won't be messed with. And setting it up so you can make very specific parameters so you can have a lot of individual control

[gilded vortex]

I think you could just move the hand or recolor it

[frigid mica]

(Used posterize for the palette)

[gilded vortex]

The values and hues are a bit weird

TF2 usually has brighter colors and lighting that makes reading the designs easier, I think

[gilded vortex]

Doesn’t SMODS support that now

Or wait you mean changing non-scaling values

I see

[full edge]

Yeah

People use Cryptid's system for it, atm, or have to make their own

[sleek granite]

balatro goes number go up

[full edge]

And that means you either end up with a generic value manipulator that can break the game, or if it's set up with a lot of guard rails, it can just make some jokers weaker than they're intended to be (Loyalty card in Cryptid's system goes from x4 every 6 hands to x8 every 12 hands, if you 2x the values, for example).

I think I'm also gonna add a way to cap values, so some values can't be increased beyond certain values, if you choose to

[prisma latch]

ugh i still dont know how i feel about this as an analog to blip being able to heal with no max health

it feels way too much of a stretch but i cant think of much better

oh right. and i have this legendary which makes that legendary just. not good

ok i definitely need a new effect for blip

oh i have an idea

i could change how the deck works as an analogue to hp, like your deck doesn't automatically reshuffle but at certain times you can shuffle more cards into it with no limit or smth

i gotta think about how this should work

[gilded vortex]

That reminds me I wanted to have a similar effect

Inspired by a Ruina deck (mod)

[prisma latch]

im stealing all of your ideas huh lol

[gilded vortex]

by someone23832

[gilded vortex]

I don’t think so

But we have a similar headspace for mechanics maybe

Anyways I mention it for context when I want to clarify why I like it or why I foresee some issue

[prisma latch]

• Deck does not reshuffle at end of blinds
• At end of blind, create a negative Crumb consumable
  Crumb: Shuffle 10 cards from discard into deck. If discard is empty, create copies of random cards

hmmm.. this feels less like a positive effect than id hoped

[wanton rapids]

only 10?

[gilded vortex]

I feel like you don’t want to use Crumb

Which cards are copied?

[prisma latch]

well discard is empty so random cards from deck id imagine

[potent magnet]

Giving a stealable idea: chaos chaos!, joker, 8$, rare, gives black hole if you win with using all hands and no discards.

[prisma latch]

i mean in windowkill the heal 20 item is replaced with the crumb perk that only heals 1 but. i guess i need to rebalance

[keen knoll]

maximum occupancy

if hand contains a full house, play all cards in hand and randomly destroy 2```

[gilded vortex]

That makes it more appealing but I feel like the optimal strategy is to try and luck out with good cards in the deck, copy them a lot to deckfix, and avoid crumbing otherwise

[keen knoll]

hows that

[gilded vortex]

All upside

I don’t understand why destroy

[keen knoll]

because maximum occupancy is being violated

so ppl get hurt and stuff

fire codes

[prisma latch]

the main idea im going for with blip is to compare some balatro mechanic to health, and have it so that its maybe harder to gain them but you have no limit on how many you can gain

maybe hands then? hands dont regenerate but crumb gives +2 hands or smth?

[keen knoll]

or discards

[prisma latch]

i dont think discards really compare all that well to health

theyre not like. strictly nessecary like hands are

very useful sure

[cursive lake]

hallo chat

goo morn to ye :3

[gilded vortex]

Maybe

[hard plank]

hi

[wanton rapids]

you could cut the crumb at that point and just make it happen when blind ends

[gilded vortex]

Crumb can accumulate them

[hard plank]

welp

[prisma latch]

true but i think it being players choice when to use them is better

[gilded vortex]

Super SmCrash Bros.

[cursive lake]

why are ye niko now?? Owo

[prisma latch]

plus then you can perkeo crumb for endless power

[hard plank]

i just bought the game

[gilded vortex]

Bit by the werenxkoo

[gilded vortex]

I saw you mention it

[prisma latch]

oh sick

oneshot is a great game have fun

[gilded vortex]

I was just joking about it being like SSB

[hard plank]

no no

i meant sonic racing crossworlds

[prisma latch]

oh lmao

[hard plank]

i already finished oneshot solstice back in lounge 2019 or something

[gilded vortex]

Idk OneShot except as some indie game people talk about

[hard plank]

i don't remember

[cursive lake]

i only know of it because a shitposter i follow has niko as a pfp

[gilded vortex]

So you follow aikoyori?

[cursive lake]

nyo i meant someone on fb, unless that happens to be them somehow and i never knew Owo

[hard plank]

i don't use Facebook

i know i have it linked

[cursive lake]

that answers that then : p

i know facebook is seen as an old person typa space but i've been there since i was 9 years old so its da only social media i can really be used to despite it being quite shit at times

if i try to use twitter or tumblr or really anything else i can't really vibe with it

[hard plank]

i was there in 2011 (somewhat certain)

it looked like this

[cursive lake]

i think on pc it looked like that for quite awhile actually

[hard plank]

i will never trust Mark Zuckerberg ever again after 2017

[cursive lake]

zucc can fuck himself honestly dont get me wrong

not like i trust any of the ceos behind social media but thats where the people in my computer i like to talk to hang sho...

was hot potato dropped btw i havent been here for a bit

[wanton rapids]

not yet

[cursive lake]

oh okie i thought it came da 4th :3

[hardy brook]

Hello Hello Chat

[wanton rapids]

yeah it got delayed

[fickle elbow]

Hello

[cursive lake]

hallo stinku

[cursive lake]

understandable, did yall run into issues during playtest??

[hardy brook]

Wh-

[prisma latch]

i hate trying to convert fonts to pixel art

[hardy brook]

I'm gonna assume you typo'd lol

[desert mirage]

i like watching them work :3

[cursive lake]

i was just playin, not a typo but maybe i shouldn't have said dat sowwy 3:

[hardy brook]

It's okay lol

Confused me more than anything because people HAVE typo'd it that way

[full edge]

I can't imagine hotpot is very easy to QA for, hahaha. Kinda the downside of the event's approach to code

[cursive lake]

oh i absolutely bet it isnt

[hardy brook]

Is it out? Was told it was Releasing the 4th

[cursive lake]

delayed

[full edge]

I think I'm gonna need to hardcode the final set of vanilla value manipulation things in, and then just make it very clear that the system doesn't deal with jokers that use the extra table outside of those haha

[hardy brook]

Ouch. Is there a delay date or...?

[full edge]

I have no clue what's up with hotpot tbh, I'll check it out when it releases properly, ig, haha

[hardy brook]

same, it looked interesting from the trailer

[formal orchid]

its so buggy rn

[full edge]

I've seen random screenshots and that's it. Really curious how much stuff there'll end being that makes me say 'why can't this be its own mod' 😋

[formal orchid]

well its getting better each day

[hardy brook]

Must be some crazy things then

[formal orchid]

it is pretty crazy

[wanton rapids]

there were issues with some mechanics so it got delayed while those get fixed up yeah

[hardy brook]

Typically the buggier the private build, the more ambitious the mod

[formal orchid]

when you have more than 40 devs in one mod

[hardy brook]

True

[cursive lake]

whats up with the free ruby

[wanton rapids]

i havent actually played hotpot much but from what i've seen there's a lot there

[hardy brook]

Meanwhile I'm here still doing basic stuff with Parallel Update and whatnot

[deft ore]

she got banned unfairly

[fickle elbow]

All in Jest

[formal orchid]

i think this week it could be ready?

[hardy brook]

Heeey, what's good Snow?

[cursive lake]

oh rip wtf

[hardy brook]

oh

Ruby's a cool person though

Sooooo

I'll be joining in the rally

[prisma latch]

i mean egg made some good points earlier

[full edge]

I'd check out Egg's message about it, yeah. Regardless of whether you agree, it wasn't without an actual reason. Banned unfairly makes it sound like Egg might just ban people if you tell them there's a weird sulfur smell, ya know, haha

[hardy brook]

oh ok. I'll look

They still were a cool person from the chats I've had

Also I like the cleanness but yeah lemme look

[wraith seal]

wait did ruby actually get banned??

😭

[hardy brook]

yes

Apparently at 3AM my time

[wraith seal]

dang

[hardy brook]

From what it seems, they got banned for "not being able to have good faith discussions"