⚙・modding-general

[woven crag]

oh yeah i saw that one while perusing the smods PRs

it seems very useful

[woven crag]

i would never hardcode my own vouchers

[torn urchin]

Funnily I wanted to do this

[astral vapor]

@torn urchin you should crossmod with CardPronouns

NOW

[torn urchin]

What's that

[hard plank]

add pronouns to cards

[torn urchin]

Is there a "idk what I am" pronoun

[astral vapor]

you can add any pronoun

[torn urchin]

I see

Who made this

[woven orchid]

hi

[astral vapor]

lily

[woven orchid]

#1414106464615665786

[torn urchin]

Lily

[hard plank]

lily

[torn urchin]

You're fantastic

[woven orchid]

:)

[torn urchin]

Hope you have a good rest of your day or night

[wraith seal]

fantastic, like

[torn urchin]

Four

[hard plank]

also added this

[torn urchin]

What did you do

[astral vapor]

she's what now

[hard plank]

definitely did not run into a suspiciously deer shaped bump

[torn urchin]

Ball ball ball

[azure dagger]

MY GRANNY CALLED, SHE SAY "TRAVVY YOU WORK TOO HARD"

[torn urchin]

I'll look into the pronouns mod later

[hard plank]

safe

[astral vapor]

thank you

[chilly pine]

wheres... balatro... bla

[astral vapor]

average blue archive

[blissful brook]

I sent it in wrong chat and server

[chilly pine]

dies of lack of balatro black

[blissful brook]

😭

[torn urchin]

Played Minecraft for 13 hours apparently

That's not good

For

[blissful brook]

How you didn't pass out

[torn urchin]

Uh

[azure dagger]

determination

[torn urchin]

Idk

The create mod was fun

[modest canyon]

awwwwww beanssss

[torn urchin]

And it's 5 am for me

[modest canyon]

overflow???

[torn urchin]

And I haven't slept

So

Yatta

[woven crag]

i ❤️ infinite loops

[modest canyon]

no like

what even happened???

[vapid swan]

I wonder if it's possible to get steam playtime hours

[woven crag]

game ran out of memory

[modest canyon]

but why

we just

[hard plank]

wait why do you have both cryptid and cryptlib

[modest canyon]

because im evil and fucked up like that

[woven crag]

very often its caused by a function recursively calling itself

[modest canyon]

sorry💔

[woven crag]

because otherwise you gotta do some crazy shit to get stack overflow

[blissful brook]

Aikoyori, what do you think of my resprite?

[hard plank]

why is it merged

[modest canyon]

also i just fucking realised i picked up an eternal negative spectradolia on glowing deck

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1307934546746019932.png?quality=lossless&name=11013614502450&size=48

[blissful brook]

Because it is fake ?Aikoyori?

[vapid swan]

Feels a little too gradiented

[woven orchid]

its ok

its code is only ran when you obtain it

[vapid swan]

try not using too many colors

[woven orchid]

it'd be problematic if you could sell it but you can't

so thankfully its just 5% probably

[vapid swan]

it makes artwork look blurry :)

[woven orchid]

however if you make a copy of it the copy will inherit the values and you will only ever find spectral cards

[woven crag]

doesnt Cryptid.manipulate recalculate add_to_deck

[woven orchid]

honestly i dont know

[blissful brook]

Good idea

[woven orchid]

ive heard that it does but ive never seen evidence that it does

[harsh glacier]

i believe you have to do that manually

[woven crag]

because otherwise it like woudlnt work with a lot of vanilla cards

[hard plank]

haya

[harsh glacier]

aikoyori

work on my mod

[hard plank]

im going to go to kfc

want anything

[harsh glacier]

fries

[hard plank]

ok

[woven orchid]

game vs 10 lordly jimbos

[wanton rapids]

what a skilled horse

[woven orchid]

woke!??! like like #1414106464615665786

[wanton rapids]

can make a piano make bass sounds

[hard plank]

oops

[dusty token]

this level of bracket nesting feels cursed

[woven crag]

what the fuck!!

[blissful brook]

Distorted Aikoyori

[modest canyon]

okay so do we kill cryptlib or cryptid

[woven orchid]

do you like cryptids content

[hard plank]

Cryptid has Cryptlib

[wanton rapids]

cryptid provides cryptlib

[wraith seal]

dementi

:3

[modest canyon]

we like cryptid crossmod with entropy but thats about it

[wanton rapids]

so if you have both you technically have double cryptlib

[woven crag]

Cryptid possessess the functions of the mod "cryptlib"

[modest canyon]

we KNOW

[woven orchid]

then probably kill cryptlib

because you can just deatomize cryptid content until its what you like

[woven orchid]

builtin banner

[harsh glacier]

i have cryptid cross mod (bad)

[woven orchid]

i have very very little cryptid crossmod

[wraith seal]

i should add bepis joker to bsr

[woven orchid]

about 12ish cards total

which i am proud of because my mod used to be a cryptid addon

[storm forum]

...I have just 1 tweak to a tag for Cryptid content-wise. That's it.

[woven orchid]

guys did you know 20x lordly jimbo is powerful

[wanton rapids]

🤯

[astral vapor]

how do i make a credits page

[dreamy abyss]

many of them

[woven orchid]

very many

all using any/all pronouns...

I AM

[dreamy abyss]

how entropious

[astral vapor]

its giving... https://youtu.be/2b1IexhKPz4

[woven orchid]

someone should update my wiki

so many jokers are outdated

[astral vapor]

list of mods that have crossmods with cardpronouns

i need to make a wiki entry

[dreamy abyss]

O_O

[quick trellis]

all jolly jokers btw

[astral vapor]

bulgoekoyori when

[woven crag]

negative deck 🥱

[hard plank]

no

[dreamy abyss]

can we get it go in aikoshen

[sleek granite]

boo

[hard plank]

play aikoshen

[sleek granite]

play aikoshen

[woven orchid]

i love it go

[sleek granite]

where we going

[woven orchid]

i got 99.37% accuracy on it

i kinda want to go for higher but i also know that’s not realistic for me

[astral vapor]

im still on a version of aikoshen with the old aiko

[storm forum]

Legaciko.

[astral vapor]

will legacy aiko be in the optional malverk texture pack bundled with aikoshen

the "i hate new textures" texture pack

[storm forum]

"Programmer Art", even.

[astral oasis]

hi chat

how do i not make the "buy & use" button appear on a consumable in shop

[hard plank]

no

[blissful brook]

Lagtrain ahh animation

[blissful brook]

Dead mod xd

[hard plank]

im not adding old aiko

[sleek granite]

return false in your can_use function if the card is in the G.shop_jokers slots

[astral oasis]

thanks a lot!

[astral vapor]

@hard plank what number plush did u get

i got 706

oh

i got 706, @hard plank got 708, and @main path got 714

[sleek granite]

did you get bug girl

[astral vapor]

no i

[sleek granite]

ok fair

[astral vapor]

i literally only got gd colon

[sleek granite]

idk i just checked makeship cuz you posted lmao

oh shit that ended today

[prisma latch]

no way
niko decor spotted

[runic kraken]

finally done,
4 more jokers for my mod

[astral vapor]

https://youtu.be/3s1oVxv6V2c?si=f9TDTCgyFavlSB7K

[prisma latch]

i made it :3

[astral vapor]

wHAT

WHAT

[prisma latch]

(which is why its kinda uggy)

[astral vapor]

WHAT

[astral vapor]

can you make it into a seal for my balatro mod

[prisma latch]

wh

niko seal??

[astral vapor]

niko seal

[prisma latch]

yeah

niko seal

why not

[hard plank]

@prisma latch

[prisma latch]

why are we pinging me

word bomb

[astral vapor]

OH SHIT

[hard plank]

word bomb

[astral vapor]

I MEANT TO SEND THE EXPORT

NOT THE ORIGINAL PROJECT

[hard plank]

word bomb

[prisma latch]

you can delete the message lmao

[astral vapor]

i got hrt

[prisma latch]

no way

[hard plank]

are you still working on rendoms

[sleek granite]

i cant believe it

[astral vapor]

idea!

[full edge]

morning, nerds

[astral vapor]

spectral idea: the jondom
removes all jacks from deck

[prisma latch]

yeah but its called hodgepodge now cause i got bored

[hard plank]

😭

😭

[prisma latch]

????

i love ????

if you die in the russian roulette game over instantly

no benefit

[hard plank]

intrusive thoughts

what the fuck

[astral vapor]

@main path

i can't read, i'm a balatro faaaaan

joker forge users are deranged

[full edge]

doing the joker art for this poster now and I'm being forced to look at the truly, truly terrible photoshopping that's being done

[hard plank]

where is star space discord

[full edge]

what the hell is perspective even

[astral vapor]

What the fuck does the September 11th Joker Do????

[hard plank]

send it to @pine zinc

[sleek granite]

ITS NOT EVEN THE RIGHT YEAR

[wanton rapids]

wait it's 9/11/2011....

[wraith seal]

ice

[sleek granite]

omg its bepis and ice and notmario and autumn

[wraith seal]

i love shield hands

[lean dune]

meow

[wraith seal]

hi aure

[civic atlas]

804 hands

[wraith seal]

nop

[lean dune]

hi bepis

[civic atlas]

not very algebraic

[astral vapor]

hide the tetration channel from aiko

[civic atlas]

205 hands

[wraith seal]

thats more corect

gepard is done

[lean dune]

what if xhands

[wraith seal]

wtf!

[astral vapor]

@wraith seal make a pompom one

[wraith seal]

not now :3

[hard plank]

where is it

[wraith seal]

i have to finish all the v1.0 hsr characters first

[hard plank]

why is aliucord buggy

iroyokia

[wraith seal]

shes the next one

[hard plank]

I'm full of servers

it's buggy

try again

idk aliucord is broken

i turned it on

[true dew]

I clicked klondike, it's solitaire and I have no clue how to play solitaire

[solar sandal]

hi chat

[gilded vortex]

Hi aven

How are you

[wraith seal]

hi aven

i made gepard + shield hands

[gilded vortex]

How are you bepis

[gilded vortex]

What are those

[solar sandal]

cool

[pine zinc]

Hello.

[gilded vortex]

Hello iroyokia

[wraith seal]

uh

[gilded vortex]

How are you

[wraith seal]

basically something that is consumed in place of hands

[gilded vortex]

huh

@_@

[harsh glacier]

@wraith seal bepie

FUCK

[wraith seal]

who tf is bepie

sob

[harsh glacier]

😭

[tidal terrace]

Bepie is cute

Good morning

[visual escarp]

does anyone wanna do some multiplayer?

[gilded vortex]

Hello haya

[astral vapor]

can anyone make a mod page for my mod

[harsh glacier]

hi i barely did anything today

no

do it yourself

[pine zinc]

I am iroyokia.

[gilded vortex]

Someone made one for me

:3

[astral vapor]

idk how to do it properly

[harsh glacier]

the learn

[wanton rapids]

website or wiki

[gilded vortex]

You can try asking in the Modded Balatro Wiki Server

[pine zinc]

be me

[astral vapor]

https://balatromods.miraheze.org

[buoyant timber]

What counts as a mechanic for the tag in https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1209506514763522108 ?

[gilded vortex]

Someone made a page for me and I didn’t even ask

[toxic cloud]

Mime at home

[astral oasis]

chat is this enhancement possible

Card is Spades and Clubs at the same time (Keeps original suit)

[wanton rapids]

probably?

[toxic cloud]

hook SMODS.smeared_check

[hard plank]

wtf

quantum suit

[harsh glacier]

wtf

aikoyori

[west hill]

Yeah pretty simple effect

[astral oasis]

how do i hook i'm so newbie

[hard plank]

eremel have you seen the ortalab cross mod

[toxic cloud]

local smeared = SMODS.smeared_check
function SMODS.smeared_check(card, suit)
    if SMODS.has_enhancement(card, "m_modprefix_key") then
        if (card.base.suit == 'Spades' or card.base.suit == 'Clubs') and (suit == 'Spades' or suit == 'Clubs') then
            return true
        end
    end
    return smeared(card, suit)
end

[astral oasis]

ah i see, thanks a lot

[hard plank]

I'm not going to KFC

[harsh glacier]

damn

im adding one more ba character to my mod ig

[astral vapor]

i have some new consumeables

[latent crescent]

[astral vapor]

what should they do

seriously

idk what to do with them

[prisma latch]

what are they

[astral vapor]

MiniDiscs

[hard plank]

ok I'll go to KFC now

[gilded vortex]

The main idea is to save the original function somewhere, overwrite it, then call the original function inside the new one

[tidal terrace]

Lumi may peak

[hard plank]

how do i become peak

[astral vapor]

from left to right

Blank MiniDisc
Gold MiniDisc
XS-IV Minidisc
Lumina Minidisc
Solid Minidisc
Twinkle Minidisc
CubeMix Minidisc
Axia Minidisc
Hi-Def Minidisc

based on real minidiscs btw

[hard plank]

where is furina

[tidal terrace]

I thought you hated it

[hard plank]

i never said or implied that?

[harsh glacier]

guys did you know that among us is gonna collab with genshin

peak collabs with mid

figure out which is which

[hard plank]

i know

"collab is mid"

[hard plank]

like

umbral cards are meant to be more rare that tarot

but not as rare as spectral

[civic atlas]

^2$

[hard plank]

yes but you lose

and you can't save scum

[civic atlas]

^2$

[gilded vortex]

Does anyone here know how to toggle localization options inside of a language?

Like, have some localization tables that are selectively loaded

[astral vapor]

@prisma latch any ideas

[prisma latch]

hm

[astral vapor]

i mean they're meant to hold music

[gilded vortex]

I remember Coke minidisks

[prisma latch]

change what music track is playing

lmao

[gilded vortex]

It was some kind of promotion

[astral vapor]

so my idea was when they're used, they're "inserted" and then gives an effect

like turning cards into specific editions

which sounds tarot'y i know

[gilded vortex]

Inserted where

[harsh glacier]

@hard plank can you make music for my mod

[hard plank]

how

I'm bad at music

[harsh glacier]

false

[prisma latch]

maybe it could be that when you use a minidisc it has a continous effect that lasts until you use a new one

[astral vapor]

its just the use button but it plays a disc insert sound

[harsh glacier]

i cannot play it here but the music you made for hotpot is awesome

[gilded vortex]

Ah so it consumes them?

[astral vapor]

i can

[hard plank]

😭😭😭

[astral vapor]

i mean ywah

[hard plank]

I'm going the fuck to KFC

[astral vapor]

@harsh glacier i'm hopping on fl studio, what beat do u want

[gilded vortex]

Maybe like you can only have one active at a time, and you have to hold them?

[prisma latch]

so like, one could give $ per hand played, one could give a mult boost, etc

[prisma latch]

yeah one active at a time thats what i meant

[gilded vortex]

And I also specified keeping them

[prisma latch]

i think when you use it it should leave your consumable slots, but maybe if you use a new one it swaps them

[gilded vortex]

I just find it a bit weird if they are applying an effect but vanish completely

[prisma latch]

yeah it can go to its own slot, and then when you use a new one they swap

[astral vapor]

i would need to ask thunderedge

[astral vapor]

ui is gonna be a bitch

[hard plank]

help

[astral vapor]

:D

[prisma latch]

slots aren't that hard to add actually

[gilded vortex]

I don’t think it’s too hard

[prisma latch]

worst part is making them position in like packs and smth

[gilded vortex]

You can reference the Zodiacs from my mod

[prisma latch]

but if you just put them somewhere out of the way you dont even really have to worry abt that

and hey if you dont end up using the idea i will

lmao

[astral vapor]

well i'll do the ol reliable and beg my developer

since all im good for is art

[hard plank]

did you know every time you see a small card thing pop up in my mod that's another card area

[gilded vortex]

Does anyone here know how to do this?

[grand geode]

did you know i have a cardarea for eating jokers

[hard plank]

yes

[gilded vortex]

Did you ever manipulate localization files?

[grand geode]

thank you aiko you're cool

apart from uwuifier (doesn't do what you're asking for), no

[prisma latch]

me when i use debugplus to set the boss blind and start skipping to get to it but there was a boss tag

[gilded vortex]

What does it do

[main agate]

maybe its time i get vscode

[hard plank]

me when i have to do the whole process again

[gilded vortex]

I reckon you had the censored effect but also it was probably on tooltip level

[gilded vortex]

Mood

[grand geode]

censored is replacing the ui

uwuifier is directly modifying the locs right after they're created

[gilded vortex]

Does it toggle in-game?

[prisma latch]

what the
why does my blind show "nil" for the variables in blind select but show them normally in the actual lind

[gilded vortex]

What variable is it

[prisma latch]

its just vars = {1,6}

[hard plank]

collection loc vars

[gilded vortex]

The Blind description during Blind select isn’t dynamic

And there’s some weirdness with the collection too

[prisma latch]

so collection_loc_vars = {1,6}?

[hard plank]

it's another function

[gilded vortex]

@grand geode

[grand geode]

no

i already said it doesn't do what you're asking for

[woven crag]

vros desperate

is it really worth it

[astral oasis]

yeezus?

[gilded vortex]

I reckon Malverk does something similar

Since it can change localization priority on the fly

[woven crag]

malverk does allow changing locs yeah

[gilded vortex]

I also expect the system to be a bit too complicated though

But it’s definitely a reference I have in mind

I’m just trying to see if anyone else has done something similar and simpler

[woven crag]

just make it a built in malverk pack 👍

[gilded vortex]

Not the worst idea, but probably not good for this toggle

[hard plank]

the only thing i can think of is to switch it with loc vars key

[gilded vortex]

I mean that is how the switch happens

My question is how to toggle it without reloading the game

[woven crag]

how so
you can toggle it on/off just the same

[trail berry]

hi guys

[woven crag]

hello poker

[prisma latch]

ok well now it always shows nil

[gilded vortex]

It would force people who want to keep the vanilla localization to download Malverk too

[woven crag]

no?

[hard plank]

😭😭😭😭

[woven crag]

fym

[gilded vortex]

For this kind of thing I think it’s better to keep it self-contained

[woven crag]

if its a malverk pack you can only enable it with malverk

[hard plank]

what are you even trying to do

[woven crag]

changing vanilla localization to be consistent with their mod (for some reason??)

[gilded vortex]

Add a toggle that disables changing some vanilla localizations

[woven crag]

yes malverk literally has that

[prisma latch]

collection_loc_vars = function(self)
  return {vars = {
    1,6
  }}
end,

what did i fuck up

[woven crag]

thats why i said make it a built in malverk pack

or just dont because you shouldnt need to change vanilla localization for a content mod

[hard plank]

personally I think it's a bit rude to replace vanilla localization

[prisma latch]

yeah i really dont get why youre trying to push this on your players so hard

its just gonna make them think you changed what the vanilla jokers do

[woven crag]

(this is also why i said make it a malverk pack so it isnt enabled by default and requires another mod for the people who REALLY want it but apparently they REALLY want their localization changes to be enabled by default)

[gilded vortex]

I don’t necessarily agree

[hard plank]

it's ok to not be consistent

[gilded vortex]

I agree

[woven crag]

then why do you care

[gilded vortex]

But I also want the vanilla Jokers to teach players the different wording

[hard plank]

especially with mods

[foggy crag]

If it was up to you, what kind of effect you'd give these Jokers?

currently looking for inspiration

[gilded vortex]

I don’t know these people sorry

[woven crag]

if your own jokers arent enough to teach the players said wording then thats your issue

you dont need to change vanilla if you arent good enough at teaching the player

thats an issue with your cards

[gilded vortex]

I am teaching the player new wording

[woven crag]

yes which you should do in your cards and not by changing vanilla

[gilded vortex]

But why

[prisma latch]

tooltips and good wording should be enough to do that without changing vanilla

[gilded vortex]

Vanilla text isn’t canonical scripture

[woven crag]

because when people install a content mod people want content and not for random unrelated things to be changed

theres literally NO reason to change vanilla

[unkempt current]

Why are we arguing over vanilla wording again

[gilded vortex]

I think the wording is good, but also that it clashes with vanilla’s style

[full edge]

I wouldn't change vanilla text, myself, but I don't see why it'd be a big deal, either

[astral vapor]

dawg, the other infamous kanye album

[gilded vortex]

Since both options are good, I think abiding to a single standard makes more sense

[woven crag]

okay then let it clash with vanilla's style

[unkempt current]

Oh it's victin again

[astral vapor]

the one replaced by jik

[woven crag]

who cares

[gilded vortex]

So my mod abides by my standard

[foggy crag]

I mean, why not if you really want to

it's a mod

not a pitch to the dev

[gilded vortex]

Yeah idk why people are acting as though I’m crucifying Jimbo ;P

[woven crag]

if you need to change vanilla jokers to teach new wording then your wording is probably just bad

though

[gilded vortex]

I disagree

Because that assumes vanilla wording is perfect

[woven crag]

?

[hard plank]

i like when it replaces the localization for thematic effect

[woven crag]

no?

[hard plank]

like utdr mod

[full edge]

I'm not sure what the wording specifically is, but also, I think there's a very easy counter argument there that's basd on how TCGs have worked

[gilded vortex]

What does it do

[unkempt relic]

Hello I want to make a mod give me ideas please

[woven crag]

explain

how so

[hard plank]

it changes spectral cards to prophecy cards

[full edge]

where incidental mechanics have expansive text, and once an ability is keyworded, it's rephrased and errata'd

[hard plank]

which fits with the deltarune theming

[unkempt relic]

Please

[unkempt current]

Sorry but I'm not the best at ideas
Also you came here in the wrong time because there's some sort of argument going on

I don't think anybody will answer

[main agate]

first time using vscode
does anyone know if theres a way to disable that red highlight its annoying af

[full edge]

I think most people here with ideas are planning in incorporating them in their own mods! 😄

Also happens if a mechanic becomes standardized in some way. In which case the wording change isn't done for an improvement, but just to show that these mechanics are consistent

[gilded vortex]

I’m rewording effects that exist in-game to teach the wording to the player. You’re arguing that this means the new wording is bad, which requires assuming the original wording didn’t have any issues

[woven crag]

thats probably because you dont have your lsp set up so it doesnt know they exist

[modest canyon]

......just got a Trib from judgement?????

[main agate]

my what

[gilded vortex]

I didn’t exactly understand your line of argumentation, but this is what I’m doing

[woven crag]

i said if you absolutely NEED to change vanilla to make people understand YOUR wording thent hats YOUR issue

[modest canyon]

any judgement believers in chat???

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1344702036582858802.png?quality=lossless&name=clueful&size=48

[gilded vortex]

And I’m saying that argument hinges on assuming vanilla wording is perfect

[gilded vortex]

Start with something small

[woven crag]

https://github.com/nh6574/VanillaRemade/wiki#3-set-up-the-lua-lsp

[gilded vortex]

A single modification, a single Joker

[hard plank]

I don't think hand holding is necessary

[full edge]

There are certain MTG effects, especially in the early years, that are one-off mechanics in a set and use a lot of words. After the effect becomes more common, a wording that's shorter becomes the norm, as it's shared amongst cards so easier for players to pick up, and errata'd to be the text of those old cards

But I might be arguing from a bias because I'm probably going to change the vanilla text of Vampire, hahaha

[gilded vortex]

I think my rewording is a bit of the opposite of handholding though

[full edge]

Also, I'd just change it and change it back if players get confused or dislike it

[woven crag]

no, it really doesnt. i asked for you to explain how so but you still havent answered this

[gilded vortex]

Some people are arguing it’s less specific, which I can agree, but I don’t think it’s incomprehensibly so

[main agate]

oh yeah ive done that already

[full edge]

No use in wandering through hypotheticals or disagreements

[main agate]

thats not why its highlighted

[gilded vortex]

And part of the goal is to teach the implicit meaning

[woven crag]

you should be able to do that with your own cards though

[gilded vortex]

Some people here seem to dislike it ;P

[full edge]

Yeah, but I would also hazard a guess that Eris isn't your target audience, haha. It's worth taking their opinion in, but if you disagree, you disagree

[gilded vortex]

You said the new wording is bad. I’m saying if the original wording was worse, it can’t be bad.

In any case, while I think vanilla works as a closed box, once you start modding it starts breaking down. Hence the need to reword it sometimes

[gilded vortex]

I’m not taking their opinion though

[full edge]

taking in*

as in listen to and consider, even if you disagree. Typo on my part

[gilded vortex]

Also there were other people against it

@full edge anyways these were the changes so far

[hard plank]

i just realised

[full edge]

I'm not a huge fan, but that's unrelated to it being a change to vanilla, haha. I think the verb there makes the sentences read a bit awkward, mostly. But I'm behind the concept (because I'm doing the exact same)

[woven crag]

something being better than something else doesnt make it not bad
also the new wording literally is worse since youre taking out information that was previously there

[hard plank]

DNA stands for duplicate n add

[woven crag]

true....

[hard plank]

in this context

[full edge]

To show why I'm probably changing Vampire's description next Kino update: I've got a bunch of jokers based on vampire movies that all have effects based on vampire. Vampire's a simple concept but a bit wordy (which in vanilla makes sense), and it makes it so the effect is harder to do variations on and describe those, if you're intending to keep the vanilla text. So I'm keywording the process of removing a quality from a card to turn it into a stat on the joker into the ability 'Drain'. Some jokers care about drain as an ability, or care about vampiric jokers, so to show that vampire would also trigger those effects, I'm changing vampire to use the word Drain instead

[gilded vortex]

Removing information isn’t bad

[hard plank]

even tho it normally refers to deoxyribonucleic acid

[gilded vortex]

DNA was explicit about it being permanent while Certificate wasn’t

[woven crag]

the information you removed is where the card goes

[gilded vortex]

Removing it from DNA makes it consistent in a way that increases clarity and imposes the assumption that created cards are always permanent

Which they always are

In all vanilla effects

[full edge]

Does 'get' as a keyword term get an info queue?

[harsh glacier]

i gotta be honest having to change vanilla description is very iffy

[gilded vortex]

That too

[gilded vortex]

I’ve considered it

[harsh glacier]

a mod shouldn't attempt to trample into vanilla stuff if you're trying to add to it

[woven crag]

it definitely should since as i've said before, "get" on its own says absolutely jack shit

so it does need an info queue

[full edge]

I'm setting a toggle up for mine, which I think I remember you having done as well

[gilded vortex]

That is implied by “get”

[woven crag]

unless its extremely obvious

[gilded vortex]

Which you learn by using cards with “get”

Or, in this case, by knowing what DNA and Certificate do in vanilla

[gilded vortex]

I want to, and I was asking if anyone had

[harsh glacier]

"get" is bullshit in terms of card creation btw

[gilded vortex]

I know I can use Malverk as a reference but I’m looking for a simpler one

[harsh glacier]

its a bad term

"create" makes more sense

[woven crag]

whats the point if you can already learn it from cards in your mod?

[harsh glacier]

where are you getting the cards from

[full edge]

My plan is literally just to create a tiny function that'll check if a specific toggle is turned on, and then display based on that

[gilded vortex]

Create doesn’t attach a CardArea to the card

Hence “get”

[hard plank]

I think he wants you to think that the word "get" implies that it gets added to hand

[gilded vortex]

I was inspired to use “get” because Hearthstone uses it as I do

[woven crag]

get also doesnt

[harsh glacier]

literally what is a card without an area

[full edge]

a partner

[prisma latch]

get feels way more ambiguous than anything else imo

[astral oasis]

so this doesn't work?

SMODS.Enhancement {
    key = "dark",          
    atlas = "placeholder",  
    pos = { x = 0, y = 0 },    
    loc_txt = {
        name = "Dark Card",
        text = {
            "Card is Spades and Clubs",
            "at the same time",
            "(Keeps original suit)"
        }
    }
}


function SMODS.smeared_check(card, suit)
    if SMODS.has_enhancement(card, "dark") then
        if (card.base.suit == "Spades" or card.base.suit == "Clubs")
           and (suit == "Spades" or suit == "Clubs") then
            return true
        end
    end
end

[harsh glacier]

fuck.

[hard plank]

suppose i don't know anything about hearthstone

[gilded vortex]

Cards don’t need CardAreas, but also, “create a card” could be in the deck, in the hand, in play, in the discard pile, in the shop, etc.

[hard plank]

and i use the word get

[storm forum]

SMODS.has_enhancement(card, "m_modprefix_dark")

[full edge]

Idk, I can see why y'all see it as ambiguous, but yeah, tcgs often handle systems like that through keywording of abilities in exactly that way

[woven crag]

https://github.com/nh6574/VanillaRemade/wiki#whats-a-hook

[prisma latch]

the humble "draw to hand":

[hard plank]

adding card to deck

[astral oasis]

thanks guys

[hard plank]

because "get" is ambiguous in balatro space

[prisma latch]

anyways entirely unrelated to anything going on right now, funny easter egg interaction with stop sign and the pip

[woven crag]

except every single time "create" is used in vanilla it states or implies where the card goes

[full edge]

Yeah, I think there's probably a better word than get, but that's preference

[harsh glacier]

if you can easily infer that create means "add cards to hand" then i don't think this is an issue at all

[gilded vortex]

I think this just overwrites the SMODS function, which breaks Smeared Joker and Wild Cards IIRC (and other modded effects)

[modest canyon]

HARDCRASHED THE GAME OH MY GOD

💥

[astral oasis]

nope, didn't work either

[gilded vortex]

I mean, I don’t think you need to know Hearthstone. The mod teaches you the meaning. I’m just saying that a popular game uses the same keyword with the same meaning.

[astral oasis]

i see

[hard plank]

what are the chances I run into those two cards or whatever else before running into your modded cards

[woven crag]

you can just... make it a malverk pack....

[hard plank]

for a first playthrough mind you

[gilded vortex]

Knowing how this chat hates hidden interactions I’d expect them to dislike this :P

[gilded vortex]

The art changing is funny

[modest canyon]

wait why cant we ping ruby

dammit

[prisma latch]

the chances of getting this is rare and it applies for literally one blind, its just a funny easter egg, i dont think anyone will really care

[gilded vortex]

I disagree because you can create cards in other places

[modest canyon]

did they banish her from here

[woven crag]

thats pretty funny

[hard plank]

ruby is working on hot potato

[modest canyon]

aw beans

[hard plank]

i think that's very funny

[modest canyon]

right

that thing

[astral oasis]

local old_smeared_check = SMODS.smeared_check

function SMODS.smeared_check(card, suit)

    local base_result = old_smeared_check(card, suit)
    if base_result then return true end


    if card and (SMODS.has_enhancement(card, "dark") or card._is_dark) then
        local base_suit = (card.base and card.base.suit) or card.suit
        if (base_suit == "Spades" or base_suit == "Clubs") and (suit == "Spades" or suit == "Clubs") then
            return true
        end
    end


    return base_result
end

is this any better?

[gilded vortex]

I’m not arguing against you, I’m just saying that people here tend to think hidden information in games is “objectively” bad game design and complain ad nauseam at you for it

[woven crag]

ive never seen anyone say things about hidden interactions here tbh

[gilded vortex]

Which is too wordy IMO

[near lance]

this could like kill a run lol

[harsh glacier]

too wordy doesn't inherently mean bad

[gilded vortex]

People were against it in our conversation yesterday

[hard plank]

"gain"

[prisma latch]

i dont see how

[woven crag]

about what

what conversation

[gilded vortex]

I agree but conciseness is better when it maintains approximately the same clarity

[prisma latch]

you'll still have your upgraded 8's and youll get a chance to upgrade some sixes

[gilded vortex]

The same conversation we’re having right now

Just yesterday

[woven crag]

?

[near lance]

huh

[woven crag]

what?

fym

[hard plank]

the cards gain mult

[near lance]

oh

[woven crag]

this has nothing to do with hidden interactions

unless changing vanilla text counts as a hidden interaction now

because its not very hidden

[hard plank]

that's why I think that's extremely funny

[hard plank]

especially with the custom art

and everything

[near lance]

oh lol

[hard plank]

I know you can tell or not but my hand is full of grease right now

[full edge]

sorry my mod already has a hook bepis prepare to see me in court ❤️

[wraith seal]

wtf!

[hard plank]

haya I am definitely not at the KFC right now

[storm forum]

-# chicken

[full edge]

Is the burn application a general thing that's counted, or is it per joker?

[modest canyon]

holy fuck actually hit transcendence wow

[full edge]

Does having multiple burn jokers speed up Hook's ultimate?

[modest canyon]

first tier is e100 apparently

[gilded vortex]

It is better. I’m not sure what difference it would make to you to call the original before or after and what conditions to wrap around it, but there’s also some assumptions built-in.

Like, I assume most people want true to triumph over false in that function, which you’re currently supporting.

[astral vapor]

@harsh glacier why does the new monopoly card look so wrong

[wraith seal]

its per joker, but i think i should clarify that yeah

-# and i just realized theres a typo in there too sob

[astral oasis]

hmm okay

[harsh glacier]

what new monopoly card

[hard plank]

haya I will work on your mod

[gilded vortex]

That’s because people were arguing I was omitting information

[harsh glacier]

proof?

[astral vapor]

the new textures

[harsh glacier]

wtf

[astral vapor]

im so used to the old textures of the property pack

[woven crag]

the main function of a card is not a hidden interaction

[harsh glacier]

it's. been like that since july 😭

[gilded vortex]

So there was a brief detour with people saying that game effects not providing 100% information to the player at all times was “objectively” bad game design

[astral vapor]

I WAS USING PTA 0.3.0 THIS WHOLE TIME

[woven crag]

at least the main function of a card SHOULDNT be a hidden interaction

[harsh glacier]

you fool

[woven crag]

what?

i dont think you understand the difference between a silly easter egg effect and the literal main point of the card

[harsh glacier]

this means that sinister potion is bad game design because i don't list every single one of the 8 effects it can give

[gilded vortex]

You can understand the main point of the card

Especially people who already know how the card works

[wraith seal]

🤔

[woven crag]

okay where does the card go

[wraith seal]

no wait actually that sounds like a good idea

[woven crag]

that is created

[gilded vortex]

I think for the infinitesimal number of people who aren’t sure where the card is created, they can learn by playing

[hard plank]

i didn't know what the shelter do at first in utdr mod

[gilded vortex]

And learning by playing isn’t bad game design

[woven crag]

correct

[hard plank]

because the description says . . . .

[woven crag]

but you dont need to change other things to also be like that

[hard plank]

then you enter shop and it's all prophecy pack

(spectral)

[full edge]

How do you feel about me changing Vampire's description, that I mentioned earlier, Eris?

[sleek granite]

i think if you make Vampire count as a Draining joker you should make it say Drain on it probably

[harsh glacier]

autumnmood

[sleek granite]

hi PMH(PTA)

[harsh glacier]

@hard plank can you work on my mod

[hard plank]

i can't

right now

[full edge]

Yeah, I'm just curious how people that feel like vanilla jokers shouldn't be altered would try and communicate that Vampire also counts for those effects

[hard plank]

tho definitely not at KFC

[wraith seal]

i changed it so it counts everytime burn is applied now

thanks ice

[sleek granite]

iceburn

[hard plank]

honestly

balatro mobile

[chilly pine]

ok

[woven crag]

depends, what does the changed description look like?

[sleek granite]

chat does my avatar make it obvious i only know how to draw knives

[chilly pine]

chat does my avatar make it obvious that Fungus Infection

[drifting kraken]

How exactly does to the power of work cause I am very confused cause it appears to be multiplying by 2 but I assumed it was meant to multiply to the number of itself

[chilly pine]

wdym

[gilded vortex]

No. It looks like you know how to draw circles too

And rectangles and lines

[sleek granite]

shit

[hard plank]

@drifting kraken

[chilly pine]

you can draw images composed of pixels it seems

[drifting kraken]

Sorry?

[woven crag]

what joker is even supposed to give ^mult because none of them seem to be doing that

[hard plank]

i thought you sent the video to showcase your run

my bad

[drifting kraken]

Thats all good

Neat score tho

[hard plank]

it rounds up to the next power of 2

[woven crag]

rounding to the next power of 2 is just slightly worse X2 Mult

[wraith seal]

rounds your mult to 2^(x)

[drifting kraken]

Oh

[drifting kraken]

Well thats neat

[wraith seal]

168 rounded up is 256 which is 2^8 i think

[chilly pine]

sets your mult to 2^(ceil(log2(mult)))

[hard plank]

yes bepis

2⁸ = 256

[wraith seal]

yipee

im not shit at math

[chilly pine]

amazing

[hard plank]

toga's stuff

[full edge]

Vanilla
This Joker gains X0.1 Mult per scoring Enhanced card played, removes card Enhancement
This Joker {C:attention}Drains{} enhancements from scoring cards and gains X0.1 Mult per card {C:attention}Drained{}

Though that's not the final version, because I'm playing around with wording still. Part of why I've not put it in the mod yet

[woven crag]

i take it Drained is a common mechanic and/or has a tooltip?

[chilly pine]

vampire

[wraith seal]

you can probably remove "and" imo 🤔

This Joker {C:attention}Drains{} enhancements from scoring cards, gains X0.1 Mult per card {C:attention}Drained{}

probably works the same, and is a bit shorter

[woven crag]

also draining enhancements would probably feel clear even in vanilla without a lot of jokers that use the same wording

[plush hound]

yall so talented

[chilly pine]

{X:red,C:white}X#1#{} Mult

[wraith seal]

says who

[hard plank]

idk

[wraith seal]

i am not talented

i dont know how to make shaders 3:

[plush hound]

YOU ARE

[hard plank]

i think drain is more clear

[wanton rapids]

are you planning on making drain a keyword action

[chilly pine]

X:mult probably actually

i dont know

[wraith seal]

its X:mult, yeah

[chilly pine]

i will never learn how to do shaders

[woven crag]

mult and red are the same colour guys

[hard plank]

than get

[woven crag]

in text colour at least

X:red is the exact same as X:mult

[wraith seal]

it is the same color, but you want to use X:mult instead

because trance affects X:red and X:mult differently

[full edge]

Yeah. I've got a Sinners joker planned that makes any vampire joker draining trigger all vampire jokers, for example

[plush hound]

i used X:blue

for chips

[woven crag]

i see

[plush hound]

and X:chips

[hard plank]

what could drain enhancement meant

[plush hound]

for hands

[wraith seal]

wtf?

[full edge]

But it's to unify the vampire joker archetype that's kiiinda half-baked in Kino atm

[plush hound]

:3

[full edge]

Good point

[woven crag]

i think its fine then

[full edge]

Yeah

[woven crag]

since drain already feels clear on its own + its a common archetype

[hard plank]

i kinda agree here

[chilly pine]

drain is intuitive enough on its own i feel like

[west hill]

drain is an interesting word choice

[full edge]

But it is changing the description (and technically functionality) of a vanilla joker

[hard plank]

i can't possibly think of anything else that "drain enhancement" could mean

[hard plank]

for a vampire thing i think it makes sense

[chilly pine]

sewer mechanic

[wraith seal]

take X0.5 of the enhancement's effect and put it somewhere idk

:3

[hard plank]

there's theming going on here

[woven crag]

thats fine in this case since it the description has the exact same information + theres a thematic reason for it

[hard plank]

which i already said is fine if you're going for thematic purpose

personally

[astral vapor]

https://youtu.be/W482hSfvoXw?si=dHmK5-vkC188Xfyy what the fuck

[wraith seal]

i was about to say ur late but thats not the same video

[astral vapor]

who deltaruned my best friend remix

[drifting kraken]

Sorry if I'm a bit slow but how exactly is it worse, wouldn't it be the same or would it reach a point of diminishing returns
Cause isn't it just 2x

[hard plank]

iirc this person has some drama attached to them i don't really remember

[wraith seal]

if you have 255 mult it will round up to 256 mult

[woven crag]

the closer you are to the next power of 2 the less it actually does

[wraith seal]

which is just +1 mult

[true dew]

my balatro crashed but with no crash screen

[drifting kraken]

Oh

[drifting kraken]

Yeah thats not great

[hard plank]

you win

start a new run

[astral vapor]

if you have 256 mult, it rounds back to 0

[wraith seal]

wtf!

[drifting kraken]

OH
That explains why 450 became 512

Thank you

[west hill]

what were you expecting it to do?

[hard plank]

hello eremel

[west hill]

hi aiko

[true dew]

I tried to smeargle (basically blueprint but with smeared joker attached) a brainstorm which was copying a suicune, that's all it took for the game to die

[hard plank]

have you checked the dynatexteffect thingy yet

😁

[harsh glacier]

hi careremel

[full edge]

Yeah, that's true, I guess. Feel like there's some misinterpretation as to Victin's keywording of 'Get' there, then, because I personally don't really see the difference, in that case (leaving aside whether the keyword itself has the right name, I'd say)

[hard plank]

(documentation needed)

[wraith seal]

hi >true

[harsh glacier]

bepisfever

[west hill]

didnt aure merge it?

[hard plank]

he did

[wraith seal]

haya

[hard plank]

I'm still ecstatic about it

[harsh glacier]

when are you making uma sim in balatro

[woven crag]

taglist tomorrow

[hard plank]

bepis can you add horse in hot pot

[wraith seal]

i wonder if aure has read the code in my SMODS.CardButton pr yet

[west hill]

I think the issue with 'get' was that it didn't specify where the card goes, no?

[wraith seal]

never.............

u can make it urself :3

[west hill]

I still think the general structure is really wonky 🙃

[full edge]

I mean, if it's tooltipped that works, right? I think it's probably me knowing Victin's a MTG rules nerd, so I just assumed it'd function like reminder text, hahaha

[wraith seal]

oh i forgot this existed

[trail berry]

im bored im gonna do this again

uhh give me a good joker idea and ill add it to a mod idk

[woven crag]

oh FUCK yes i love card buttons

cant wait for that

[west hill]

Yeah I suppose, I think it'd be an unnecessary tooltip though when you can just write Add X to Y rather than Get X

[wraith seal]

true, true, though i really cant come up with better solutions myself 3:

the scrolling button controller support is probably the only thing i did mostly right honestly lol

[trail berry]

please

[hard plank]

buttonslop coming soon

[west hill]

I have an idea in my head of how it would look, just need to look at what you've done and see if they will mesh together

[prisma latch]

Think im gonna start adding some more blinds, is this a good blind idea

[harsh glacier]

who the fuck is companion

[wanton rapids]

hotpot has 1 million if statements

[prisma latch]

its Companion

we love Companion

[astral vapor]

card made entrely out of toggleable buttons forming a grid wher u can draw stuff

[prisma latch]

probably just gonna be like. an indestructible stone card

[trail berry]

Oops! All If Statements

[west hill]

something like this

SMODS.CardButton({
  key = 'example',
  colour = G.C.RED,
  inactive_colour = G.C.GREY,
  loc_txt -- for button text, in loc file
  position = 'left',
  apply = function(self, card)
    -- return true if the button should be on the card
  end,
  can_use = function(self, card)
    -- return true if button can be clicked
  end,
  use = function(self, card)
    -- called when button clicked
  end
})```

[full edge]

Yeah, I can get that on one hand, though I think if there's a keyword it implies there's a way to mechanically care about it, as a trade-off. Nevertheless, think it's only interesting if people experiment with that stuff. If it doesn't work for people, that'll be the feedback received in the end, after all

[latent crescent]

no way

[wraith seal]

hmmmm

that'd work better honestly, yeah, i just left people to add their own func and button to the return...

[latent crescent]

First time I'm excited bout new smods thing

[west hill]

yeah, if it's being made into an API, it should absolutely do all the UI work for you

[west hill]

my only question with it is how much control over the position is it able to provide

[prisma latch]

is this too op for a non-showdown

[hard plank]

😭😭😭😭

[sleek granite]

i love blind that kills you later

(lie)

[prisma latch]

i love the plant 2

[hard plank]

my 1 glass cards

[woven crag]

i love blinds that have a lasting impact on your run

[keen knoll]

its just a worse hammer boss

[prisma latch]

so a resounding "this effect is shit" then

lmao

[storm forum]

Piss.

-# This will be reworked alongside a heave of nerfs across the board.

[west hill]

I think it should probably have an order property that controls the position from top to bottom

[prisma latch]

fuck that's just chicot

[hard plank]

that's just chicot

[wraith seal]

chicot but cooler

[woven crag]

i think its cool

[hard plank]

ok but you can't kill my blind this way

[prisma latch]

yuh huh

it doesn't disable. it just straight up kills

[hard plank]

my blinds are way too evil

[civic atlas]

making a mod that disables aikos blinds from ever spawning rn

[prisma latch]

gs

[civic atlas]

why does the g look like that

[wraith seal]

is this skate

[wind token]

no

[hard plank]

you're ragebaiting

[wind token]

Its Aragami 2

[prisma latch]

i want jacob to have a destruction effect because hes a murderer. but destroying cards doesnt seem right because he kills people he thinks are bad (this is hte moment he became the bay harbour butcher) and cards are quite helpful actually

[civic atlas]

not in the picture

the typewriter font g in general

[wind token]

yea, why did we shape g to be like that

[civic atlas]

why does it have 2 circles

[wraith seal]

bsr sees playing cards as enemies :3

[civic atlas]

theres like an upside down Q

but small

[wind token]

q is like this

[prisma latch]

also i already have story of undertale which destroys every single card you play

which is very funny

[civic atlas]

it looks weird

[wind token]

and they went "what if we made q worse"

[hard plank]

my mod

[civic atlas]

yeah exactly

[latent crescent]

if G.GAME.round_resets.blind_choices["Boss"]:find("bl_akyr") then G.GAME.round_resets.blind_choices["Boss"] = "bl_wall" end oopsie

[prisma latch]

yes aiko

[civic atlas]

g is such a stupid letter i hate it

[prisma latch]

i know we both hav story of undertale

this has come up multiple times already

[hard plank]

i really should make it more forceful

[keen knoll]

x:

[civic atlas]

x is peak lettering

[latent crescent]

Unless you do it every frame, but that's a lame

[civic atlas]

its so simple

[hard plank]

I'm lame

i will do it every frame

crashing the game

i still think it's quite tame

don't put me to blame

and don't you dare say a name

[latent crescent]

I just think making uncounterable bosses is bad game design

oh well

[hard plank]

power scaling

you probably won't ever see them if you don't play Cryptid

[woven crag]

i mean they definitely are counterable, none of them are a 100% guaranteed loss

[hard plank]

because once the bosses came

if you're ready then they are not the same

also my bosses are pretty counterable if you know to prepare

[woven crag]

i could probably think of way more evil bosses than aikoshen master blinds if i wanted to

in fact i'd argue endless entropy is more evil than aikoshen master blinds

[wraith seal]

what about aiko forgotten blinds

or smt

[woven crag]

forgotten blinds arent that bad

[wraith seal]

the ones that appear in ante below 1

[hard plank]

master is meant to be somewhat difficult

[wraith seal]

:3 wtf i remember them being unfair

[hard plank]

but manageable

i have higher tiers in mind

[woven crag]

😨

[woven crag]

theres the one thats +1 ante per card scored but thats like the worst it gets

[hard plank]

permanent -1 hand size per hand played

[woven crag]

oh

[wraith seal]

wasnt it X2 ante

[hard plank]

that's just to spite negative ante players

[hard plank]

bepis what is 2 × -1

[woven crag]

thats a different one also thats only in -1 and below
also even if it was in ante 0 it would do nothing

[wraith seal]

idk at least 1

[hard plank]

bepis

are you joking

are you ragebaiting

[wraith seal]

is this ragebait

[hard plank]

bepis do you know multiplication

[obsidian sky]

two negatives give a positive. which is why 2x-1 is 4

[wraith seal]

like, 2 mult

[hard plank]

bepis

suppose you are at ante -1

the boss said X2 ante per card scored

you play 5 red seal kings with sock and buskin

what ante will you be in after the hand finishes scoring

[woven crag]

i'd argue thats actually more evil because you need to go through like 5 billion antes to win

[civic atlas]

like atleast 1

[gilded vortex]

Couldn’t you have given a simpler example

[woven crag]

no

[prisma latch]

-32768

[civic atlas]

massive expodentia coming

[hard plank]

sounds correct

[hard plank]

🍪

[wraith seal]

i forgot where my "is this ragebait" gif is

[hard plank]

bepis

2 × -1 = -2

[civic atlas]

even if you found it you wouldnt be able to send it anyways

[hard plank]

it basically sends you into the negatives

[wraith seal]

gasp

[hard plank]

en passant

[civic atlas]

like

chess?

chess

ch

chess

chess de

[delicate dust]

ough

[wraith seal]

why do u hate SMODS.Sticker...

[delicate dust]

its confusing

[wraith seal]

is it

[civic atlas]

why is the shadow on the cross section of the hair and the face so weird

i guess usually theres the big ass eyes so you cant notice it

[hard plank]

yeah

[civic atlas]

faceless aiko is so cursed

i can smell the rectangle tool