⚙・modding-general

[tidal terrace]

Hi fey

[gilded vortex]

I reworded DNA so they want to put Dagger to the right of me

[lost inlet]

yea
honestly cryptid isn't the most recommended either for the best experience but i am adding crossmod for it so not adding that popup
plus the way i'm designing it is meant to make it harder to survive even with absurd scoring jokers

[deft ore]

Left

[sterile hornet]

sometimes something is good enough for me, i wouldnt dwell on wording more than i should

[wanton lintel]

ok but i use rogue mine and mr bones to enter the bone zone tho

[deft ore]

smh you forgot how dagger works

[junior rock]

modder forgets how vanilla joker works

[normal hollow]

victin.getting_sliced

[unborn plover]

Wait what, what does DNA's description look like rn?

[gilded vortex]

I prefer to improve upon the wording when I think I can do better

[lost inlet]

mr bones's wild ride (through an active minefield)

[prisma latch]

the ride never ends

[unborn plover]

Mr cadaver's fun ride

[dusty token]

= true

[gilded vortex]

person forgets right and left swap depending on the direction you're looking at

:P

[deft ore]

this is also my philosophy but i accept criticism

[prisma latch]

big grape when

[honest zephyr]

anyway let's get out of rage in a cage

[wanton lintel]

i'd say, make it an optional setting. have it off by default. you can alter basegame, but it feels weird when you force it upon players

[honest zephyr]

uhhh i still need ideas for effects

[woven crag]

current dna description: "If first hand of round has only 1 card, add a copy of it to deck and draw it to hand"
what victin changed it to: "If first hand of round has only 1 card, get a copy of it"

[gilded vortex]

I agree

[deft ore]

battat says its battating time then battats all over the place

idk

[gilded vortex]

Well, I think I'd have it on by default

[unborn plover]

Haha- wait what's happening!?
I'M SLOWLY DISAPPEARING HEL-

[prisma latch]

wait, vanilla says "get"?? this would be leagues better just by changing it to "draw"

[junior rock]

how are you managing to invert in a 2D plane

[honest zephyr]

no that's the modified one

[deft ore]

vanilla doesnt say get though

[gilded vortex]

when the wheel

[prisma latch]

oh

[gilded vortex]

but also

[prisma latch]

i think it should be draw

[honest zephyr]

why do i suddenly have a craving for smores

[gilded vortex]

the art of all Jokers has the Jokers looking at the player

If I were a Joker I'd be looking at the player

[prisma latch]

blueprint and brainstorm:

[unborn plover]

_ _

[gilded vortex]

hence Dagger would need to be to my right to destroy me

[deft ore]

golden ticket staring directly in my soul with its lack of any facial features

[junior rock]

wrong

[gilded vortex]

I meant facing

[sterile hornet]

Victin sometimes i dont really understand you

[gilded vortex]

My bad

[lost inlet]

ngl i think vanilla is better because the drawing to hand part is pretty important
vanilla wording aims to leave zero room for ambiguity, that rewording does leave room

[wanton lintel]

how about if bignumber go brr mods are installed you simply deploy jokers that are good with your mod and basegame but just fucking kill bignumber go brr jokers
balance chaos with chaos

[sterile hornet]

soudns like you should make a joker of yourself

[deft ore]

It might be inconsistent but I know what the hell it does

[gilded vortex]

"ESLer says "looking" instead of "facing", Dagger them"

[prisma latch]

vanilla's wording very rarely confuses me, i think its good

[dusty token]

to deck? to hand?

[hard plank]

this is really good 😭 how is it a common

[gilded vortex]

I don't think it's confusing, I think it's inconsistent

[wanton lintel]

spare trousers secretly has eyes in the pocket

[hard plank]

nvm

[gilded vortex]

It's just vanilla DNA

[deft ore]

The rewording doesn't say where it goes so until future clarification i will shove the new cards directly up your ass

[junior rock]

the distinction is relevant.
it's like if I said "why are you looking at me" instead of "why are you facing me", they have two different connotations

[honest zephyr]

what happens if you have talisman with your mod and you type "to_big = to_big"

[woven crag]

but then why are you making it more inconsistent

[sterile hornet]

papercut

[deft ore]

its not very well balanced

[prisma latch]

who knows maybe we'll be getting the coveted description rework in the content update

[gilded vortex]

I was replying to a joke on me by flipping the joke back

[unborn plover]

Dagger
Put the jokers to the right to start a massive slaughter

[honest zephyr]

NEW FEAR UNLOCKED IG UESS

[normal hollow]

nothing

[wanton lintel]

your pc blows up

[deft ore]

just dont rework dna to sound stupid and nothing bad will happen

or any other card creation joker like riffraff

[lost inlet]

LOL
i did plan to have some of this kind of chaos with aikoshen where bug can just destroy every joker of a new rarity if you have multiple

[keen knoll]

hey how do you check if youre actively in a game

is it just (if G.GAME)

[dusty token]

this feels like fixing a problem that doesnt exist

[deft ore]

if the game is open youre in the game

hope this helps

[gilded vortex]

That's fair but until they invent a Joker with an eye on the back of the head, I think it was sufficiently clear for the context of "if a Joker is commenting on a Dagger about to destroy them, does the Joker say the Dagger is to their "right" or "left"?"

[keen knoll]

i mean in a active game vs the main menu

[normal hollow]

G.STAGE == G.STAGES.RUN also #💻・modding-dev

[deft ore]

how do you know all jokers dont have an eye on the back of their head

[keen knoll]

thx

[deft ore]

the art doesnt show them from behind

[gilded vortex]

Anyways, I did say I was wrong to use "look" instead of "face"

[sterile hornet]

nowaying actually joined main balatro server

[wanton lintel]

look i love cryptposting and other unbalanced mods so i love killing the chaotic, omeganum ripping jokers with even more chaos so the player has more fun trying to deal w the chaos and manage their numbers well

[honest zephyr]

"erm... he's to my left, isn't he?"

[sterile hornet]

right i dont think this will happen anytime soon

[hard plank]

uhm

[wanton lintel]

re trigger

[gilded vortex]

I'm not sure why you think it's more inconsistent

[keen knoll]

im mostly here to occasionnly get mod help lol

[honest zephyr]

then the joker thinks for a second

[keen knoll]

hi gap

[honest zephyr]

"wait."

[deft ore]

nothing else says get and if it did itd be inconsistent with where that goes

[woven crag]

because no other card in vanilla says it like that

so its inconsistent

[deft ore]

because you dont clarify get i assume it goes into hand

based on dna

[buoyant kestrel]

consistency dont matter that much its just unclear

[deft ore]

but if i have marble joker it doesnt do that

thats in deck

[honest zephyr]

"sorry i meant camera left, my right"

[prisma latch]

guys i think theres a conflict between "mult" and the operator being multiplier we should rename mult to red chips i think that will make everything more clear

[unborn plover]

What

[honest zephyr]

what green mario shit is this

[deft ore]

can we rename chips to blue mult as well

[gilded vortex]

?

Certificate does

-#

[woven crag]

oh fuck off

[honest zephyr]

what red luigi shit is this

[woven crag]

im not doing this shit

[lost inlet]

honestly the way i might do it is just threatening them with the omeganum limit
oh wow my score operator can be upgraded woah- oh fuck i've hit omeganum limit oh god oh fuck
this honestly sounds amazing though

[prisma latch]

yeah that makes sense

[deft ore]

fuck off we know you changed it

[prisma latch]

rename xmult to xred blue mult

[unborn plover]

Can we rename "erratic deck" into "fuck you deck"

[gilded vortex]

I mean, I don't think it's unclear

[deft ore]

that has the exact same issue that dna did

[deft ore]

where do the cards go victin? explain using only the description as a source

[gilded vortex]

at worst people will play with it and then understand it

[normal hollow]

cute

[deft ore]

afaik they go directly up your ass

[gilded vortex]

and I could add a tooltip explaining the keyword

[deft ore]

thats bad the description should tell them without needing to use it

[honest zephyr]

should probably clarify this is a joke maybe besides just posting small balatro joker emoji

[deft ore]

dont clutter the infoqueue

[gilded vortex]

is the character from anywhere

[unborn plover]

Ain't that Mr bones?

[grand shadow]

Correct

[prisma latch]

put every word in a tooltip

[dusty token]

to where? hand or deck? is the card random or defined? is the seal random or defined?

[normal hollow]

touhou

[prisma latch]

give every word a tooltip with its dictionary description

[gilded vortex]

What part do you mean

[normal hollow]

yes

[gilded vortex]

Of course it's not used in vanilla

[deft ore]

the dictionary descriptions also need tooltips

[lost inlet]

honestly a talisman scoring time limit might also be funny
scoring took too long. kills you

[deft ore]

and each letter

[gilded vortex]

I guess some people might not play in English

[deft ore]

YOUR SCORING TOO LONG

[wanton lintel]

see i honestly hate watching people take the easy way out of balancing
sure i could simply use conflicts, but its more fun to play around with detrimental yet still fun mechanics, let player enjoy the mods they want while still having balance the way id prefer

[unborn plover]

Ah wait oh yeah that is a reskin

[gilded vortex]

But I reckon the people here have enough understanding of the English localization to complain about it

So it doesn't seem relevant

[hard plank]

???????????????????????????????????

SECOND ONE????????

[lost inlet]

yea

[gilded vortex]

And I treat as /j

[deft ore]

tldr joker moment

[wanton lintel]

oh yeah i thought of a thing that does smth if calc takes more than 10 seconds

[deft ore]

that loses the point of tone indicators

which is that theyre clear to others

[honest zephyr]

put the tone indicator itself

[gilded vortex]

Have you played vanilla?

[deft ore]

just like how your dna isnt

[gilded vortex]

why 🤔

[deft ore]

You shouldnt need to know what it does to tell the description should tell you what it does

[deft ore]

oh god somethingcom515 reaction virus is coming

my two most hated unclarities...

[lost inlet]

i've been wanting to make my mod work with crazy bignum mods and so far i want to do it by adding stuff to endless mode that requires you to complete other side objectives to stay alive
could activate all of that early if your score is high enough

[deft ore]

what did i miss something

[honest zephyr]

what?????

[tidal terrace]

I got rate limited

Again

[wanton lintel]

you see, game design should always act as if the person never played. sure it may seem obvious to you, but not everyone will understand.

[gilded vortex]

Tone indicators only make sense to people who know about them, but makes sense to people who know Balatro

[deft ore]

no the fuck it doesnt

[gilded vortex]

I disagree that modded Balatro should act as though the person never played vanilla

It's modded Balatro not an original game

[deft ore]

it should act like youve never seen the joker youre rewording

or the new joker

[honest zephyr]

tone indicators are more commonly used so most people understand them

[gilded vortex]

Also, as I said before

[sterile hornet]

i would say so somewhat, ive seen people use it and it makes sense to me

[gilded vortex]

I think "play to learn" is good

[gilded vortex]

This is the Balatro server

[whole nova]

Balatro

[gilded vortex]

I think more people here are familiar with Jimbo than tone indicators

[lost inlet]

it's one of the few complaints i have about entropy as a mod
it assumes you already know some of its mechanics going in

[deft ore]

just get rid of the damn description entirely then

what does this joker do?

[whole nova]

your average person does not know tone indicators

[deft ore]

fuck you i wont tell you

[buoyant kestrel]

honestly i barely see them but like i know what they do

[whole nova]

gotta remember that most discord users aren't as chronically online as us

[gilded vortex]

I think it's more consice overall and adds consistency with the rest of my mod

[honest zephyr]

so pull a tboi then

[buoyant kestrel]

its not hard to learn because i did so by accident

[deft ore]

nor do they know meaning theyre joking either

[gilded vortex]

I think something like "/j" is easy to learn

[deft ore]

doesnt matter we're in modding-chat though

[whole nova]

i mean it implies a comedic nature

but yeah

[honest zephyr]

here's a short little blurb that sorta tells you what the item does. have fun

[gilded vortex]

But also I think more people here know than "/j"

[deft ore]

everyone HERE is as chronically online as us

[gilded vortex]

and "" I just find funnier

[lost inlet]

[gilded vortex]

like "/j" and convey the same tone but one is funnier

[buoyant kestrel]

everyone here is an online loser /j

[sterile hornet]

this i think i agree with

[whole nova]

everyone here is an online loser /srs

[hard plank]

OKAY

we got a build going on

[lost inlet]

[wanton lintel]

well clarification should understand regardless
without clarification, most players can feel lost or having features gatekept.
rewording something that clarifies well for consistency tells me you should really clarify for your own jokers rather than edit basegame to be more ambiguous

[dusty token]

if you feel that your mod is consistent and vanilla isn't then you probably need to make your mod consistent than trying to make vanilla consistent when i feel like it already is

[deft ore]

Consistency is less important than clarity

Victin you said that yourself

[gilded vortex]

Oh, and to add to my goals, changing vanilla Jokers clue people on what the new wording means

[whole nova]

i think my mod is the best one and everybody else's suck

[gilded vortex]

Because they should know how vanilla works

[buoyant kestrel]

also i like never use emojis so i dunno

[deft ore]

grab bag is second place

[honest zephyr]

i only understood that once you clarified it

[normal hollow]

same

[gilded vortex]

You're talking as though vanilla is consistent

which it isn't

[buoyant kestrel]

yes

[gilded vortex]

I mean you can just read vanilla

[sterile hornet]

man i wasted so much time, i should go clean my room

[deft ore]

they convey the same tone to people who already can read the tone without the indicator

[gilded vortex]

That's somewhat fair

[buoyant kestrel]

actually like i barely see emojis in here except for the 🔥 ⬆️ and 😭

[gilded vortex]

I don't think a game needs to be a puzzle game to be "play to learn"

[deft ore]

idk the assumption is that mods dont typically reword vanilla to introduce new things without changing their effect

[gilded vortex]

Like Binding of Isaac

[prisma latch]

good wording shouldnt need you to do this

[hard plank]

DO THEY JUST APPEAR WILLY NILLY NOW

[gilded vortex]

I think the wording is good, it's just different from vanilla

I don't think I should choose worse wording to conform to vanilla

[prisma latch]

a good modded description should just be immediately understandable to people who are familliar with vanilla

except maybe any new modded keywords, which really you should give easily understandable tooltips for

[tidal terrace]

Streamer luck

[deft ore]

You're the only one who thinks that
And it should be understandable to EVERYONE not just you

[tidal terrace]

Stop rigging the runs aikoyori

[prisma latch]

but im guilty of not using tooltips when i should because im lazy

[buoyant kestrel]

i don't think its worse and i think others agree

[deft ore]

Are you gatekeeping descriptions like it's Polterworx

[lost inlet]

shelter makes spectrals the only pack that appears but that just seems like massive luck lol

[gilded vortex]

I think the description is at least 90% clear, and statistically I expect most people to understand it exactly

[buoyant kestrel]

what does this even mean

[whole nova]

WE are ALL moving to jokerforge and NEVER programming again ✌️😂

[deft ore]

It could be 100% for everyone

[gilded vortex]

I think people like vanilla just because they're used to it

[deft ore]

With, and get this, no downsides

[honest zephyr]

i was making a mod on jokerforge

[wanton lintel]

i just learned to code 3:

[buoyant kestrel]

no but like i do not give a shit about vanilla

[whole nova]

too bad, not allowed anymore

[honest zephyr]

i then decided "hmmmm... i'm going to code"

[buoyant kestrel]

i have little to no attachment to DNA because i barely remember what it does off-hand

[whole nova]

we are ALL making our new mods with names like "crazylatro" and taglines like "THE most UNBALANCED balatro mod EVER"

[obsidian sky]

literally the only vanilla joker i can think off the top of my head that doesn't do exactly what it says it does, is matador

[prisma latch]

and thats getting reworked

lmao

[gilded vortex]

The main point of contention that I find valid is people complaining my DNA wording doesn't specify the card is put in your hand. I think "get" is sufficiently clear, both because people should know what vanilla DNA does and/or be able to intuit what "get" means, but that the last handful of people who maybe don't immediately interpret it that way will understand by playing with the Joker

[buoyant kestrel]

it could be clearer though

[honest zephyr]

i named my balatro mod after a consumable from entropy

[deft ore]

Idol, Rebate, Castle, Ancient Joker, and whatever other things that use random ranks/suits are slightly un clear

[prisma latch]

ok serious talk should i rename my mod from "rendoms" to "hodgepodge". it feels catchier

[woven crag]

get says nothing

at all

[deft ore]

If you put this wording in a modded joker how would I know it goes in the hand

[woven crag]

literally

[gilded vortex]

The vanilla DNA description: 1) lies to the player; and 2) isn't consistent with other effects that do the same thing

[hard plank]

WHY DO THEY APPEAR

[obsidian sky]

it goes in the square hole

[lost inlet]

{f_bho(100)}2 mult

[jaunty galleon]

it's called "jokerforge mods" sweaty

[buoyant kestrel]

just because that's true doesn't mean your wording is better

[woven crag]

anyway i improved the dna rephrase 👍

much clearer now

[deft ore]

I could play vanilla without any descriptions. That doesn't mean you should just not write descriptions

[woven crag]

[deft ore]

Correct. Yours also does that in a worse way

[gilded vortex]

As I said before, it's a keyword in my mod. I might add a tooltip just for it. In any case, I expect players to quickly pick up on it

It's used in e.g. Hearthstone

[wanton lintel]

Because vanilla is clear and concise. thunk can get every joker's point across perfectly in 2 or less sentences
even assuming that someone has played balatro, clarification helps
you may word how you like, but changing a working description to work with how you write is not the way.

[deft ore]

can you get rid of the description

[torn urchin]

We still on this rephrasing of Dna

[dusty token]

its fine if you wanna change draw to get, its not when you remove information from vanilla.
your new desc didnt specify where the card is put on. deck or hand?

[buoyant kestrel]

but why

[prisma latch]

ok what does get mean in your mod

[gilded vortex]

I would recommend people play vanilla before modded

[buoyant kestrel]

its like a few more words

[deft ore]

Get is fine but you removed the hand part

[buoyant kestrel]

and you don't need a tooltip

[deft ore]

On a modded joker how would we know though

[wind token]

better idea: copy first card sometimes
/j

[torn urchin]

Cheating smh

[deft ore]

How do I know this joker doesn't shove the cards up my ass?

I dont

[normal hollow]

"vanilla is consistent" explain this then

[gilded vortex]

Create a card in an "accessible" zone. (Hand for playing cards, Jokers for Jokers, Consumeables for Consumeables.)

[deft ore]

and thats the issue

[normal hollow]

you said this like 5 times. move on

[deft ore]

pareidolia?

[deft ore]

it gets the point across

[wind token]

its a shity point

[normal hollow]

yeah

[buoyant kestrel]

lets add a new keyword instead of adding like four more words

[deft ore]

where else do you want me to put them

[wind token]

pun not intended

[wanton lintel]

shit- uhh, fuck.

forgot abt that

[torn urchin]

Why are we still on this 😭

It's been like 10 minutes

[woven crag]

does every single instance of the word "get" in the context of a playing card mean adding to hand in your mod?
also, again, no need to change existing jokers to be consistent with your mod JUST because you happened to add one keyword. that makes no sense

[buoyant kestrel]

you should not do this unless it is absolutely required

[gilded vortex]

For the first part, yes

[hard plank]

look i already fixed it

[prisma latch]

fuck it ive been considering renaming my mod to hodgepodge for like 2 months, i'm gonna do it i think

[sterile hornet]

if you mean wording
almost an hour

[torn urchin]

Rifht

[gilded vortex]

I disagree

[torn urchin]

I don't know how long it's been

[wind token]

idk what i missed

[buoyant kestrel]

like if the keyword desc is 10 words long or smth

[torn urchin]

I've been touching grass

[sterile hornet]

too dark for me sadly, ill just clean my room

[torn urchin]

Slay

[deft ore]

i love the edition again

[lost inlet]

just gonna plop down this dingus again

[wanton lintel]

peak

[buoyant kestrel]

the reason i think you should not is because its adding more information that the player has to memorize when there is plenty space on the card to just tell them

[gilded vortex]

Actually currently there's one Tag that generates playing cards when you don't have a hand (during the Shop), so they go into the deck. I'm not sure this effect is on the release version though. I remember being unsure about it at the very least

[torn urchin]

Just let people do what they want

The world isn't gonna explode

[wanton lintel]

also, assuming someone has played balatro does NOT mean they remember what every joker does

[buoyant kestrel]

yeah but i want to argue

[gilded vortex]

I think "get" enables wording cards that interact with multiple card types concisely

[torn urchin]

😭

Cooked chat

[lost inlet]

i'm just proud of this one for enabling retrigger builds with non-5oak/flush five hands
and it requires fixing in a unique way

[deft ore]

hey guys do you like my bloodstone rewording

[gilded vortex]

Like you can "get" a Joker or a Consumeable in the same sentence

[woven crag]

that could also refer to zero, it should be:
"If number of played hands in the current round and the number of cards in the played hand has only one factor and equals itself squared, creates a card with suit, rank, enhancement, seal, edition and stickers identical to the played card, adds it to the deck, and then draws it into your hand

[gilded vortex]

Which is why I used it here too

[dusty token]

i cant even remember what legendary jokers even do

[buoyant kestrel]

thats a decent use case there
so like only use it there

[wanton lintel]

yeah. and dna only affects the playing cards area.

[gilded vortex]

Then it's not consistent

[buoyant kestrel]

dont matter

[wanton lintel]

as paradox said, clarity > consistency

[deft ore]

Gain any x-type object and place it into its designated area
(Jokers go into Joker slots, playing cards go into full deck, consumables go into consumable slots)

[buoyant kestrel]

if you want it to be consistent then bite the bullet and write it in full

[woven crag]

if 1 card and hand, get copy

[hard plank]

wow

[gilded vortex]

I agree, but I think some consistency is required for clarity

I think too much consistency can reduce clarity

[deft ore]

dna rewrite:
if only card hand one clone

[torn urchin]

Miku

[gilded vortex]

So it's a balance

[buoyant kestrel]

that is what people have been saying

[fathom gust]

and i fucked up the loc_vars trying to make quotes change depending on level

yay

[gilded vortex]

Or I can create a keyword

and use the keyword

[obsidian sky]

just put the whole joker code into the description. the most consistent and truthful option

[honest zephyr]

slightly less powerful wraith
creates an uncommon joker
halves current money

[buoyant kestrel]

use it where it is needed

yes

not literally everywhere

[deft ore]

you say this and then turn around and worship consistency while throwing clarity out a window

[torn urchin]

Copy first single played card ahh

[gilded vortex]

it is needed in DNA because it adds a card to the hand

If you don't use a keyword everywhere, the meaning of the keyword is detracted

[buoyant kestrel]

'get' only matters with multiple card types

[gilded vortex]

Like "permanent"

[deft ore]

how do we know. that it adds it to the hand

[honest zephyr]

owie

[deft ore]

and not somewhere else

[keen knoll]

toga keeps crashing my game

[buoyant kestrel]

consumables are not being copied bro

[deft ore]

how do i know that when i use dna i won't find the card in my pantry in 2-5 business days?

[gilded vortex]

Looking further I think I'm using it in a Joker and a Tag that trigger during the shop, and IIRC they're on the current alpha release

[dusty token]

im just gonna close discord now otherwise my eyes will be stuck on this channel for the 9th time

[lost inlet]

add more localization keys for all the quotes and just pass localize(key) in loc_vars

[gilded vortex]

It's definitely a case where I could see myself changing the wording

Since it's inconsistent with other uses of "get", technically, but not in a way that matters I think

[buoyant kestrel]

like there is obviously a place for this keyword because it adds a given card type to its area

but if only one card type is being used you should probably just not

[gilded vortex]

It's a bit more specific

Since playing cards are usually in 4 areas

[deft ore]

Clarify which one then

Using your keyword doesn't do that

[gilded vortex]

But I think not using the keyword can create confusion

Like, DNA says the card is permanent but Certificate doesn't

[buoyant kestrel]

rewording is not illegal i just think the keyword is not at its best within DNA

[deft ore]

Who's to say DNA doesn't put your card in the discard pile?

[gilded vortex]

I think the usage in DNA is like vanilla uses Death and the page 1 Jokers

They're teaching you the language of the game

Death teaches you can reorganize cards

[jaunty galleon]

why say get when you can say create anyways

[gilded vortex]

Page 1 Jokers teach you what to expect

[deft ore]

Yeah but you're teaching something inconsistent

[gilded vortex]

I think "get" conveys the accessibility of the created card more

and is shorter

[jaunty galleon]

create card and add to hand

boom

[buoyant kestrel]

create a copy of the played card and add it to hand

easy

[gilded vortex]

That is longer and doesn't satisfy all the uses of the keyword "get"

[deft ore]

Who cares if its longer it's way more descriptive

do you really want super short descriptions that say nothing?

[gilded vortex]

Reworded DNA is teaching the player the meaning of the keyword

[buoyant kestrel]

i mean you need first there too but thats pretty much it

[deft ore]

DNA: card one first clone

wow so useful

[buoyant kestrel]

a joker where its effect is buried within 5000 tooltips

[jaunty galleon]

does it? i feel like "get" is both ambiguous and inconsistent with vanilla as well as other mods

[wanton lintel]

because youd prob think a copy is a hologram or some shit as a beginner

[gilded vortex]

Does DNA need its versatility? No. But does DNA having it makes it easier to understand? Yes.

[deft ore]

maybe

[gilded vortex]

Vanilla is inconsistent with itself and I don't care about consistency with other mods' wording

[lost inlet]

the best wording is obviously to just put the entire source code in the joker description

[gilded vortex]

The latter is just an insane ask IMO

Maybe "insane" is a bit of a strong word

[buoyant kestrel]

then stop trying to be consistent

[gilded vortex]

But it's

[deft ore]

most mods are consistent ish with vanilla

[gilded vortex]

uhhh

unreasonable

[buoyant kestrel]

chasing consistency is a bad idea

[wanton lintel]

also if you dont like how jokers are worded dont force your opinion on people playing your mod

[gilded vortex]

I agree

[buoyant kestrel]

that is what you are doing

how can you agree??

[gilded vortex]

I think there are degrees to it

[jaunty galleon]

not really? mods tend to stick pretty close to vanilla wording and highlighting while introducing other keywords like, say, "modified"

[gilded vortex]

I don't think using "get" is beyond the line

[deft ore]

You're being hypocritical here

[buoyant kestrel]

it is beyond the line to change vanilla jokers to introduce this

[gilded vortex]

it depends on the mod

[gilded vortex]

I disagree

I understand why people might think that way

[wind token]

oh my god you guys are still doing this

[jaunty galleon]

usually i stick as close to vanilla as i can so people don't have to learn a set of new keywords, especially because most people play with many mods at once

[gilded vortex]

If you dislike it you can ping a mod

[deft ore]

You're chasing consistency above all else and even putting down clarity for no reason but to make it shorter

[wind token]

no, i just find it funny

[gilded vortex]

Fair

[fathom gust]

#⚙・modding-general try not to get into an argument / go into a meltdown challenge
(extremely hard)

[buoyant kestrel]

do you want people to play your mod
like make it a toggle and default off because most don't care or disagree

[gilded vortex]

I don't think the keyword is like impossible to understand

[gilded vortex]

I mean I have already said I think I should add a toggle

[buoyant kestrel]

exactly bro

[gilded vortex]

in this conversation

[jaunty galleon]

yeah but mods with tons of content and systems like pokermon, joyous or kino are meant to be played on their own, whereas smaller content mods should be designed with the expectation that they'll be played with other smaller content mods

[wind token]

i am on neither of your sides here

pipe down

[buoyant kestrel]

i know buddy

i just find it funny

[deft ore]

It's impossible to fully understand without the clarification of where the card goes

[honest zephyr]

this card looks like it would play the song "Dump" from the deltarune ost while it's on screen

[gilded vortex]

you don't even know if I already have a toggle or not

y'all are just yapping

[deft ore]

Because until further clarification who's to say it doesn't go to Mars

[whole nova]

lucky rabbit and grab bag are brothers in arms although one has way more content which just isn't okay. this is why mods should never be designed expecting other mods along with them

[jaunty galleon]

i'd love for people to play with just grab enabled but they don't and not accounting for it would make the UX worse for most players

[gilded vortex]

;P

[deft ore]

Yeah because your wording would also be bad for your own jokers

[gilded vortex]

I mean I'd like the mod to grow bigger

[deft ore]

Even if vanilla's untouched it's bad practice

[buoyant kestrel]

i am not denying that

[gilded vortex]

This seems oddly imposing for someone who doesn't know

[buoyant kestrel]

i've seen the chat though

i don't know if i've seen a single person agree

[honest zephyr]

this song https://youtu.be/xVvCCqC3Cik

[deft ore]

Yeah literally nobody agrees with you

You need it to be understandable to everyone and right now it's only understandable to you

[hard plank]

i will survive

[wanton lintel]

it is fine to word your jokers how you like, but vanilla should be used as a baseline to prvent confusion, because vanilla is clear and concise

[jaunty galleon]

why fix something that isn't broken lol

nobody's confused when they read dna

[grand shadow]

Coding in a nutshell

[gilded vortex]

My wording is more concise, but also, I think when vanilla comes into contact with mods the weaknesses of its wording are highlighted

[grand shadow]

Tell me I'm wrong tho

[deft ore]

Why break something that's slightly dented

[jaunty galleon]

and in case you are, you use it one (1) time and then you get it instantly

[gilded vortex]

Like, vanilla DNA says it adds to the deck and draws to your hand

a modded effect that triggers when drawing cards from the deck wouldn't trigger with DNA

[deft ore]

Correct

[gilded vortex]

Because DNA doesn't do what it says it do

Not in a way a player would interpret it anyways

[deft ore]

Nobody is saying that vanilla is perfect

[buoyant kestrel]

okay then just reword it like this:
Creates a copy of the first played card and adds it to your hand
or smth

[deft ore]

but I would say a hell of a lot of people are saying that vanilla is better than yours

[deft ore]

missing conditions of first hand and 1 card

[gilded vortex]

I never said I wouldn't use "get" as a keyword

[buoyant kestrel]

yeah

[sterile hornet]

facts and logic

[gilded vortex]

I want to add a toggle, because I understand why people want vanilla to still read like vanilla, and I might add a tooltip

and I will use "get" as a keyword

[sterile hornet]

why is played card so single ☹️

[ember surge]

the omnious spamton theme

[gilded vortex]

The main reason I haven't added a toggle is that I'm not sure how to make it work

[buoyant kestrel]

okay so you do understand what you are doing here:
you are adding something that is realistically literally only going to be used by you and the people who don't know what the toggle does

[whole nova]

hi guy evalute my joker idea ok thanks
The Glow, Pt. 2 (Common?)
Gains +2 Mult per hand played, resets if score catches fire (Currently: +0 Mult)

[gilded vortex]

I think I could make a config variable that interacts with the localization file, but Idk how to reload the file

[buoyant kestrel]

like thats fine

but its kinda pointless imo

[gilded vortex]

This is kind of a weird comment

[deft ore]

🔥

[honest zephyr]

sounds good

[gilded vortex]

Presuming people wouldn't toggle the vanilla rewording off would lead me to not reword the vanilla Jokers :P

[fathom gust]

sounds decent honestly
planning to undershoot score awards someone

[wanton lintel]

prioritizing simply conciseness will lead to jokers that make less sense.
DNA is as long as it is to help players know how it works, and that the card won't randomly vanish.

[buoyant kestrel]

can you reword what you just said

[gilded vortex]

Nothing in the game randomly vanishes like that

It could be briefer, in a way that other people here like, and still be clear

[buoyant kestrel]

because its unclear if you misunderstood me or mistyped

[buoyant kestrel]

or some secret third thing

[deft ore]

For new players the idea of a copy might mean it vanishes to them

For modded you dont have to do the permanent thing

[wind token]

no it doesnt lol

[deft ore]

since people know balatro

[wanton lintel]

explaining a feature is objectively better than staying consistent and leading to confusion

[deft ore]

but you should clarify where it goes

[prisma latch]

guys do you think rendoms has become hodgepodge

[buoyant kestrel]

translation: i genuinely did not understand what you just said

[prisma latch]

ignore the fact i accidentally pushed the gitignore with text for the wrong repo entirely

[gilded vortex]

You're saying that the only people who would see the modified text are: 1) me; and 2) people who don't know they can toggle it off. Therefore, it leads to the conclusion no one would want to use the modified text, which is more conducive to not modifying vanilla wording

[deft ore]

for some people it might
talking about like. brand new players who got lucky and found dna

[sterile hornet]

sounds like a very rare and unlikely hypothetical but i get the notion of clarity here

[buoyant kestrel]

yeah

[fallen thicket]

I just ran into stack overflow for the first time lol

[heady sparrow]

^^

[buoyant kestrel]

exactly

[jaunty galleon]

i'm hodging it

[buoyant kestrel]

maybe thats why i was confused because you were saying it like its a bad thing

[gilded vortex]

I got that, I just needed some time to rephrase it

[wind token]

easy fix, just use the card once and youll understand it

[gilded vortex]

I am saying it's a bad thing because you're being deceptive if you're trying to argue that

IMO

[buoyant kestrel]

i am judging from this chat

[gilded vortex]

Not what I meant

[buoyant kestrel]

?

[gilded vortex]

I meant that if you're arguing for a toggle but you don't think anyone would use it, then you're being deceptive

[jaunty galleon]

more mods need to translate roughly to "assorted collection of bullshit" (see: Grab Bag, Charcuterie, Hodgepodge)

[gilded vortex]

You can argue that no one would use it so I shouldn't do it

[buoyant kestrel]

you were the one who mentioned the toggle

[true dew]

can't wait for Aiko at add a pokermon effect to her card

[deft ore]

descriptions should be clear

[wanton lintel]

never have basegame alterations on by default. people play mods to mix basegame they're used to and the mod. if you randomly alter something they're used to, even if it's wording, they could think you also changed the effect

[gilded vortex]

I feel like arguing for a toggle if you don't think anyone would use it is deceptive

[buoyant kestrel]

you.... I AM SAYING YOU CAN DO IT EVEN IF NO ONE AGREES

[wanton lintel]

"fuck around and find out" is not the right way to show how a joker works.

[deft ore]

sleeping on mods that are [CREATOR]'s Bad Things

[buoyant kestrel]

ULTIMATELY OUR OPINION DOES NOT MATTER

[buoyant kestrel]

you fucking...

[wind token]

fuck around and find out is the best way to learn imo

[heady sparrow]

non-round evolutions now also evolve in 2 rounds

[gilded vortex]

I think more games could be like that

[deft ore]

The toggle's the compromise because we know you aren't letting go of this bs

[deft ore]

Not balatro, the game where it's already established that descriptions are clear

[gilded vortex]

I'm not even a fan of that particular kind of game

I just think they're allowed to exist

[heady sparrow]

it's bad game design

[jaunty galleon]

MUCHO TEXTO vs. FUCK AROUND AND FIND OUT
which message will resonate with players?

[wind token]

okay... now get this... dont download the mod

[heady sparrow]

it's irritating at best and downright unplayable at worst

[fathom gust]

review bomb it

[deft ore]

why are you making your mod like that if you're not a fan then

[buoyant kestrel]

i was not even arguing i was trying to get you to understand that this would be just for you and so if you want to do it for others and not you then you shouldn't

[heady sparrow]

REAL

[wanton lintel]

other games can teach their mechanics this way. Balatro has so many items that if you think a joker does something just to realize it wasnt clear, you can unintentionally kill a run

[gilded vortex]

I don't think I changed anything vanilla yet. I want to change a main vanilla mechanic, and I'm still considering how to integrate it.

In any case, as far as vanilla Jokers go, I only expect to reword them without changing the effect, so that much should be stated in my mod

[heady sparrow]

a "fuck around and find out" game HAS to be extremely simple to not be an absolutely horrible time

[wind token]

runs die, it happens, the player will learn what works with what

[gilded vortex]

Players can lose and learn too

In any game

[gilded vortex]

I don't think they need to be simple

[deft ore]

That should be implicit stuff like "Retriggers are better with Xmult" not "I didnt know Burglar stole my discards"

[gilded vortex]

I think having a quick restart is important

[heady sparrow]

deceiving a player into taking something that ends up killing their run because they had no way of knowing better is still just bad game design

[gilded vortex]

or whatever Souls-like do

[wanton lintel]

or its astro's playroom

[heady sparrow]

like, that's just objectively bad game design

[heady sparrow]

yeah, or it's a sandbox

[gilded vortex]

I disagree

[wind token]

i never said to hide such stuff

[gilded vortex]

It's just different game design

[fathom gust]

ok so i admit to making shitpost jokers that do that
(cough inst gameover jokers)

[buoyant kestrel]

honestly with your comments earlier i think you may be taking this too personally

[heady sparrow]

for roguelikes and roguelites, where the whole point is that you only have one life per run, it abso-fucking-lutely is awful game design

[deft ore]

You're arguing for Victin's side of unclear descriptions

Which is hiding that

[gilded vortex]

I don't see why

[whole nova]

tangents and its consequences have been a disaster for the balatro race

[buoyant kestrel]

we are not attacking you

[deft ore]

it's allowed if it's funny and disableable

[gilded vortex]

I disagree

[buoyant kestrel]

you just have an unpopular opinion

[wind token]

they arent hiding bugular, they are hiding the fact it gets added to ur deck

[deft ore]

(cough cough psi pineapple cough cough)

[tidal terrace]

Hello

[deft ore]

it's an example

[gilded vortex]

I mean, I agree with those two statements

[heady sparrow]

we used to have some shit like that in Cryptposting until I personally got rid of all of em

[gilded vortex]

I don't see this

[heady sparrow]

(except for All or Nothing but that's a risk you willingly take, it's never forced on you)

[buoyant kestrel]

i crashed out there because you were being argumentative when that wasn't even what i was doing
clear your head or smth

[gilded vortex]

I don't understand how your crash out implies I'm taking it personally

You crashed out not me

[buoyant kestrel]

because you were being argumentative when that wasn't even what i was doing

[heady sparrow]

-# okay atp I think you're just ragebaiting

[buoyant kestrel]

please read

[deft ore]

Victin is genuinely like this

[wind token]

fuck it, im posting meowskulls joker

[buoyant kestrel]

the crash out wasn't the important part

[gilded vortex]

I don't think I understand this then

[heady sparrow]

o h

[buoyant kestrel]

are you ragebaiting

[gilded vortex]

We're presenting our arguments to each other

[torn urchin]

It's me frr

[deft ore]

I would know we were on the same hotpot team and we almost had him kicked off

[buoyant kestrel]

i wasn't arguing

[deft ore]

Honu just never made the deciding vote

[buoyant kestrel]

i was having empathy

ffs

[gilded vortex]

"arguing" can have two meanings

People can use it to mean "presenting arguments" or to impart some kind of negative emotion behind comments

[wanton lintel]

with high stakes, you either have to ease the player into mechanics or simply teach them how it works. you cannot expect players to remember EVERYTHING, thats how you get people to dislike your creation because they see it unfair when something isnt described well enough and they just... fucking lose

[buoyant kestrel]

i suppose i meant the former
though it was really meant to be closer to advice then like an argument

[heady sparrow]

^

[wanton lintel]

im going to high card build myself /j

[heady sparrow]

Lyre gets me lol

[gilded vortex]

I mean, you're justifying your points, I'm justifying mine

I don't think either of us are too out of line

[heady sparrow]

I do believe that's referred to as a debate lol

[signal notch]

having issues rn i dont khow how to fix it lol

[gilded vortex]

Maybe my previous interpretation of your argument as deceptive was a bad faith interpretation

[olive hamlet]

<@&1133519078540185692>
Situation unfolding

[deft ore]

so you live slowly

[gilded vortex]

I'd need to think more about it

[wanton lintel]

i very much enjoy rougelikes. i understand what is fun and what is "how the FUCK did that kill me?!"

[deft ore]

dont hate on my goat high card

[buoyant kestrel]

i did not understand your clap-backs though
like they seemed to be coming from a perspective that i was trying to attack you or something

[gilded vortex]

Argument, debate, discussion, they're all synonyms

[hot perch]

let me read

[wind token]

hi mod

[grave panther]

wtf are yall on about

[hard plank]

hi

[lean dune]

hi

[buoyant kestrel]

its pretty much over at this point dw

[olive hamlet]

Something about a deadlock between wording a joker

[deft ore]

the most relevant discussion we've probably ever had here

[grave panther]

victin are you getting baited you should know better

[buoyant kestrel]

at least compared to earlier

[deft ore]

for once it's actually balatro

[lean dune]

I'm not sure I get it either

[hot perch]

😭

[strong obsidian]

Feet warning. (Again.)

[hardy brook]

It's time

[gilded vortex]

I don't think so

[buoyant kestrel]

no its the other way around

[wind token]

foot joker

[lean dune]

you don't know victin then

[hot perch]

im getting baited with that ping im going back to sleep

[lean dune]

he's actually like this

[hard plank]

aikoyori UTDR cross mod ability maybe

[hardy brook]

What's going on?

[wind token]

Victin stole my lunch money /j

[buoyant kestrel]

i get that but like
if it quacks like a duck and walks a duck..

[wanton lintel]

argument involves dislike on one or more parties
discussion is positive on one or more parties
and debate is neutral where both parties feel strongly

[gilded vortex]

I feel like I've been calm and having a good conversation

[gilded vortex]

Argument can just mean presenting arguments though

[wind token]

me when i see a goose

[olive hamlet]

there was an argument about Joker wording

[buoyant kestrel]

i am sorry but that is not the impression you have been giving me

[heady sparrow]

hi getting baited with that ping im going back to sleep, I'm Sage!

[deft ore]

*is

[olive hamlet]

Oh is still

[hot perch]

hmph.

[hard plank]

pretty sure i asked everyone to stop like an hour ago

[wanton lintel]

oh hi
victin reworded dna to be unclear and we're explaining what feels fair for roguelikes

[buoyant kestrel]

its over at this point

[olive hamlet]

Far from it sounds likeo

[buoyant kestrel]

no

it just ended

[lean dune]

[heady sparrow]

HI ASTROOOOOO

oop

caps lock

mb

[hardy brook]

i see

[wanton lintel]

one does not simply stop the modding-chat

[hard plank]

i fucking called it

[lean dune]

oh hi crimson

[wanton lintel]

mahjong on the psvita

[hard plank]

aure

[lean dune]

see this is why i don't like balacord modding chat

[heady sparrow]

REAL

[deft ore]

This isn't even the first time Victin has refused to budge from a position on something minor

[hard plank]

I'm so sorry about this

[heady sparrow]

did you install some sorta malware 😭

[deft ore]

aikoyori do you still have hotpot downloaded

[hard plank]

i have my own backup

but i already shut down my PC

tho i have my own backup with small fixes in my own private GH repo

[deft ore]

theres an easter egg with death with the ||magic factory joker||

[buoyant kestrel]

honestly it wasn't that bad because i wasn't ragebaited as hard as when i had an actual conversation with seu pai

[olive hamlet]

Although, if someone hypothetically complained to me about using legendary art in rare jokers, well I wouldnt budge much too
(I may be less confrontational)

[buoyant kestrel]

almost happened again earlier so i just blocked them

[deft ore]

theres no reason to use this on word bomb but itd be really funny

do i gamble

[buoyant kestrel]

yes

[prisma latch]

no way, intersex cards, based

[hard plank]

mmhmm

[wanton lintel]

oh yeah in arguments like earlier sorry if i seem mad im not
i just explain my point and elaborate

[deft ore]

victin was furious about that for seemingly no reason

[hard plank]

i just wanna mod the game for fun please stop arguing

[deft ore]

gambling sweep

fuck it we ball

shit

[wanton lintel]

i need to at least join the hotpot servet this seems peak

[heady sparrow]

HAH

I was right to choose no

[grave panther]

im not mad. don’t put it in the paper that I got mad

[deft ore]

it is (and i'm week 2)

who knows what the past 4 weeks have been cooking

[honest zephyr]

hwat

[wanton lintel]

if i didnt have school id prob join hotpot

[honest zephyr]

what does this mean.......

[wanton lintel]

but i procrastinate my ass off

[buoyant kestrel]

what is hotpot i keep seeing it

[deft ore]

cant be as bad as team :)

[honest zephyr]

ohhh okay

[deft ore]

teams have a week to add stuff to a mod

8 teams total

[hard plank]

you mean ||mass-produced ?????slop||

[honest zephyr]

i have not been reading chat at all i've just been drawing something completely unrelated

[buoyant kestrel]

amazing

[deft ore]

||on the death description unless its been changed with -1 selection limit||

[wanton lintel]

what

[buoyant kestrel]

||this doesn't contain anything of meaning i just wanted to fit in||

[gilded vortex]

@buoyant kestrel this topic kind of got lost, but as I said above maybe my interpretation of your argument was in bad faith. I'd need to think more about it. If that struck a nerve with you I apologize.

I'll need to think about it to evaluate if my interpretation was unreasonable or not. My main point was that, if you held the opinion you had, you could just argue against me adding a feature at all instead of both: 1) trying to reach a middle ground; and 2) using your opinion as an argument in favor of a different point.

If you had only done 1, I would readily agree my interpretation was in bad faith, but I had the opinion that trying to do both would be deceptive.

[gilded vortex]

Cool

[deft ore]

for comparison sillyposting the dysfunctional mess with victin's destructive criticism got 97

most other teams got around 300 ish

[buoyant kestrel]

i mean i can see two but i wasn't thinking about that too much

maybe weird wording on my part i dunno

[wanton lintel]

i see
well ill go find ppl to kidnap and feed me ideas
the shadow demons in my closet are tired

[grave panther]

what if xchips

[honest zephyr]

waow...

[normal hollow]

i love xchips

[olive hamlet]

I do like them

[prisma latch]

i have One xchips joker

none joker left chips

=1 mult, x4 chips

[olive hamlet]

Made plenty in fact

[lost inlet]

i literally just never take this
not worth it

[wanton lintel]

id prob be close to like 20-60 bc i mass commit
i usually code in vscode then paste over content

[buoyant kestrel]

xchult is better

[wanton lintel]

but gambling :(

[normal hollow]

i have many xchips jokers

[prisma latch]

x blue mult

[hard plank]

hey unik what ability should i have for my self insert for your mod

feel free to give me ideas

[lost inlet]

unless my run would probably die anyway

[honest zephyr]

doesn't xchips require talisman or am i trippin

[grave panther]

none joker left chips forever

[hard plank]

or what your mod has that i can spawn

[prisma latch]

rarerer

[wanton lintel]

no just smods

[grave panther]

I love notepad++

[prisma latch]

notepad++??

[heady sparrow]

^

[prisma latch]

thats a peak mod name

[lean dune]

what if xglop

[wanton lintel]

thanks :3

[honest zephyr]

add glop to balalatro

[grave panther]

Hold on what if xjokers

[gilded vortex]

Honestly that's fair. In that case, it does seem like assuming bad faith was unreasonable of me

Sorry

[wanton lintel]

thamks ^ω^

[lean dune]

bananananano

[heady sparrow]

woh

cute pfp alert!!

[heady sparrow]

that's just invis joker, technically

[trail berry]

hi guys

[honest zephyr]

thank you!!!!!!

[grave panther]

what if xbalatro where when scales it launched more instances of balatro

[prisma latch]

lmao

xcpu usage

[trail berry]

mrrrrrow

[lean dune]

what if xconsumeables

[honest zephyr]

yesterday is history. tomorrow is a mystery. but today is a gift.

[lean dune]

what if xmods

[prisma latch]

xframerate

[gilded vortex]

What if xx

[buoyant kestrel]

a half balatro would run only half of the time

[hard plank]

@deft ore you may be able to tell how active the team is from how much they talked in critical bugfixing channel

[honest zephyr]

that's why it's called the present.

[wanton lintel]

hi poker

[trail berry]

XXMult (Legendary?)
All XMult is doubled
(e.x. X2 Mult -> X4 Mult)

[buoyant kestrel]

amazing

[lean dune]

what if xjokerrole where more people get the Jokers role

[lost inlet]

oh now i have two different score modifiers to worry about for a funny exotic joker

[neat widget]

get mad

i dont want your damn lemons

what am i supposed to do with these

you're trying to give cave johnson lemons

do you know who I am

[wanton lintel]

aw shit the hotpot server invite expired

[neat widget]

i'm the man whos gonna burn your house down

with the lemons

[trail berry]

Yellow Gem (Rare)
All Chip gain is multiplied by 10

[buoyant kestrel]

X2 Operator
All scoring affecting chips or mult has its operator scaled by X2

[neat widget]

im gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon

that burns your house down

[lost inlet]

mine supports astronomica's already but not aikoyori's
though i don't think the latter is on any jokers?

[wanton lintel]

what if i go to jail then is today a gifft

[lean dune]

when life gives you melons, ||you're probably dyslexic||

[prisma latch]

life did not give us lemons

we made them with our own bare hands

[hard plank]

marie I'm so sorry if i made you feel weird like 12 hours ago it was not my intentions to make your feel that way

[neat widget]

honestly

[olive hamlet]

Some potential ideas include:

• Creating an Ancient Joker when an Epic/Legendary Blind is defeated/selected
• Creating 1 “Awakening” (the few ways to get Ancient Jokers, which destroy the 3 leftmost jokers) when boss blind (or showdown) defeated

[neat widget]

i forgot we talked 12 hours ago

i forget a lot of things

its all good

[mint flame]

when life gives you lemons, cut them open and squeeze the juice into it's eyes

[lost inlet]

ah yes i sure do love every xmult joker becoming tetration

[trail berry]

Dyslexic Joker
All digits Chip and Mult gain are shuffled
(e.x. +57 Chips to +75 Chips, or +250 Chips to +502 Chips)

[buoyant kestrel]

heheheh

[prisma latch]

fine ill take the bait
when life gives you lemons dont make lemonade

[hard plank]

I'll see what i can do

[prisma latch]

make life take the lemons back

i dont want your damn lemons

[lean dune]

what if melonade

[mint flame]

nah the ideal astro build is ^^2 mult

[trail berry]

The 700th Mention of Astro
All scoring affecting chips or mult has its operator turned to tetration

[olive hamlet]

Ancient is Exotic equivalentish and based on “Ancient Cookies” rarity so its the most I’ll go

[lost inlet]

i do have a joker that can fuck with operators but it also only adds +1 and square roots the scoring value

[lean dune]

oh no you ruined my hexation joker

[buoyant kestrel]

X-1 Deaths
(losing a run would win and winning a run would lose)

[lean dune]

it's terrible now

[wanton lintel]

stevie has fucking died.

[ornate bone]

I BROKE MY COPY

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Loads a big ass revolver and blows their own brains out

[trail berry]

okay but its cryptposting so it doesnt matter

😁

[wanton lintel]

and lzh
hes there too

[buoyant kestrel]

X1e300 Deaths
losing deletes your drive and kills you but winning grants you (practically) infinite power

[gilded vortex]

I think I've run into this issue

I think you have too many things running at the same time

Scoring operations?

[trail berry]

i HATE steal a brainrot

[wanton lintel]

death sentence the joker

[wanton lintel]

true...

[trail berry]

i just thought of this

[buoyant kestrel]

and if you lose you will go to hell no matter what afterlife actually exists

[woven crag]

guys did you know that the text for the don't starve face card skins use a different apostrophe from every other text in the game

[trail berry]

i know this take is gonna 🥶 but

[wanton lintel]

hot take: you can use tetration and be balanced

[buoyant kestrel]

lukewarm to me

[wanton lintel]

damn

[trail berry]

actually wait im thinking

oh yeah morefluff

[woven crag]

proof (even vscode says something about it

[trail berry]

it feels really forced in morefluff though i think i'd change it

[lost inlet]

Off the Deep End:
every scoring operation becomes {e300}e300 chips and mult
destroyed if every card in hand scores

[wanton lintel]

morefluff uses tetration???

[hard plank]

is xchips vanilla

[wanton lintel]

aint that the ` bastard or smth

[buoyant kestrel]

localthunk never intended for XCHIPS to grace this land let alone any arrows

but thats fine

[gilded vortex]

Classic vanilla inconsistency

[lost inlet]

i've made a decently balanced echips joker

[wanton lintel]

yes localthunk defininely has never gone against xchips ever

[woven crag]

nope not even
vscode says it gets confused with that character often though

[wanton lintel]

w

[full edge]

Jokers should only ever give +4 mult.

[gilded vortex]

"let alone any arrows" when arrowhead

[ornate bone]

okay new balatro mod idea

[buoyant kestrel]

i am not anti xchips

[ornate bone]

if the game crashes it deletes system 32

[hard plank]

some of us really need to think hard before cooking if it's worth it

[trail berry]

Xchips is nice but i'd always recommend do something unique with it

[lost inlet]

a

[ornate bone]

it's called "GO FUCK YOURSELF!"

[gilded vortex]

I think everyone should

[trail berry]

hell vanilla uses Xchips! look at the flint!

[buoyant kestrel]

i just like sounding dramatic

[full edge]

I will not think I will watch a movie and immediately make a joker that needs 6 lines of description to explain the effect.

[keen knoll]

i like xchips it feels unique

[wanton lintel]

heres an exotic+ rarity idea i had
"^^1 Chips, gains by 0.01 for every unique item used/owned this run"

[mint flame]

what does "fuck you" do

[hard plank]

chat i have a question

[buoyant kestrel]

i do not give a shit about balance honestly i made a scaling operator joker bro

[trail berry]

X0.5 chips! its Xchips!

[wanton lintel]

eemult is overused imo we need more chips tomfoolery

[keen knoll]

yea i agree

[lost bolt]

This Joker gains 0.01 XChips every time someone complains about XChips in #⚙・modding-general

[keen knoll]

especially with plasma

[hard plank]

hop on any colour picker and take a screenshot of the colour you think is the most blue to you in your opinion (doesn't need to be solid rgb blue)

[mint flame]

run-winning joker

[trail berry]

X1e100 chips goes hard

[hard plank]

i need this answered

[ornate bone]

found the source of the issue

i had firefox and chrome open at the same time.

[buoyant kestrel]

okay right i was drawing mayo before this

[ornate bone]

like a stupid person.

[woven crag]

Xomeganum infinity chips

[buoyant kestrel]

fuck me

[deft ore]

return {xchips = math.huge}

[low vigil]

How to fix stack overflow error

[deft ore]

nxkoo impression

[buoyant kestrel]

crazy bro

[hard plank]

Impossible if you don't give any other details

[full edge]

The biggest reason to not use xchips, honestly, is just because it can make designs homogenized mechanically. I haven't played a lot of PWX at the time, but it's use of xchips resulted in a lot of jokers that are functionally very similar straight-up scoring jokers.

[buoyant kestrel]

heres the mayo so far

[hard plank]

ty

[buoyant kestrel]

fair enough

[trail berry]

can we no longer fix cryptid crashes

[buoyant kestrel]

shush its a secret

[wanton lintel]

fixing crpptid crashes is a death sentence

/j

[full edge]

Not player's fault they're not comfortable figuring out crash logs

[deft ore]

actually impossible

[buoyant kestrel]

waiter, crash the game

[north crater]

Aiko i realised i forgot something in the f*ckass pack

I forgot the shop sign

[deft ore]

waiter bring me two more waiters

[lost bolt]

Guys cryptid crashes for me:
a

[buoyant kestrel]

waiter, start recursing

[trail berry]

guys cryptid crashes for me

Oops!

[north crater]

Waiter, please wait

[trail berry]

how do i download jokerforge btw

[deft ore]

why cryptid crash

Oops! All 6s: attempt to compare

[wanton lintel]

blood sacrifice

[ornate bone]

if I knew how to use Furnace Tracker I'd probably make a mix of Balatro's theme in the style of Sonic 1 & Sonic 2's game over theme for a mod that plays that sound upon game crash

[wanton lintel]

"guys why crash"
crashlog that clearly states they are using a dev version

[mint flame]

joker idea
X0.1 Mult per second spent calculating hand

[trail berry]

WHENS JOKERFORGE ADDING DECKS WAHHHHHH

[full edge]

Gonna be a bit of a stick in the mud, but I think it's probably good for the state of these channels if people asking troubleshooting questions don't immediately get clowned on

[trail berry]

i know how to do decks i just like checking up on joker forge every now and then

[buoyant kestrel]

yeah probably

[hard plank]

how do i use joker forge

[wanton lintel]

yes, but like if it clearly states smth relating to unstable dev versions they are not reading

[deft ore]

if the crashlog clearly says Do This Thing then no

[wanton lintel]

like scratch

[deft ore]

anything else (even just compare table with number) we should try and help

[deft ore]

i cant jokerforge off my lottery card its not working

[woven crag]

hey guys why cryped crash

Attempt to compare table with number
Steamodded dev version detected! ......

Mods:
Cryptid 0.whatever.whatever~dev
Literally every single mod ever~dev
Steamodded ~dev

[trail berry]

how do i make a balato mod

[deft ore]

first you subscribe to the Hately Premium++ subscription for $100 a day

[wanton lintel]

we need to normalize not putting dev versions in the main branch

[gilded vortex]

I recommend checking the pinned message and reading the SMODS wiki. Try starting small and referencing other mods.

[trail berry]

guys how do i get a joker

[deft ore]

then you need Steamchanged Golden Edition for $20 a month or $50 lifetime

[woven crag]

guys how downlode cryped

[north crater]

@hard plank dude i fucked up i forgot something i had to do for the pack

[wanton lintel]

damn ok then can't complain

[north crater]

I forgot the shop sign

[deft ore]

you can't be doing this man

[full edge]

Did they post a crashlog that I missed?

[trail berry]

guys how downoad extra credti

[woven crag]

extra cremid.....

[trail berry]

i know

[woven crag]

tbh

[deft ore]

poker was on our team they actively helped make hotpot

(unlike you)

[wanton lintel]

we arent clowning on any real person rn

[trail berry]

the beef just keeps going bro

[deft ore]

just the concept of people being stupid with crashlogs

[full edge]

But also, you can ignore people instead of clowning on them to make 'm feel dumb.

[wanton lintel]

ok hold on

[trail berry]

can i

be in starspace

[gilded vortex]

Oh I thought you were serious

My bad

[full edge]

Yes you are?

[north crater]

Joker idea :

Original joker, do not steal : selects a joker in your hand and copies it's effects forever