⚙・modding-general

[worn dagger]

I need a rewrite joker

[civic atlas]

who the fuck is everyone

[worn rain]

green

[amber river]

Maybe jokers that work with slangs

Or other languages

[worn dagger]

Edward Robinson

[amber river]

Or random letter assortments

[hard plank]

do you know how much work i had to put into this system rn lmao

[amber river]

absolutely not

[worn dagger]

^

[digital jungle]

mods kill this person

[torn urchin]

Hi Aiko

[humble rampart]

final destination from smash bros brawl starts playing

[amber river]

OH THE BLINDS APPEARING AT CERTAIN PIINTS DOESNT WORK FOR ME

tho

i have mllions of mods

so

[jaunty galleon]

flushes and straights are mid full house is the GOAT FOREVER AND ALWAYS

[random storm]

first joker of over a week

[torn urchin]

Hi Violet

[amber river]

full house is goated

ong

[hard plank]

buffoonery

[amber river]

@obsidian stump

[amber river]

i took it out

i think

[torn urchin]

Oh and you made bucky more broken 😭

[hard plank]

who tf did u ping

[random storm]

hai @torn urchin

[amber river]

everyone and everybody

[civic atlas]

who the fuck is everybody

[random storm]

this is not bucky

[hard plank]

you just pinged someone

[amber river]

off-brand everyone

[torn urchin]

Oh shit you are right

Sorry I got confused with the AGAIN

[jaunty galleon]

it’s cool but please fix formatting

i beg

[amber river]

yes i have

[hard plank]

as in you literally pinged a person with the name named everybody

[torn urchin]

Nah keep it

[amber river]

this is like the third time

[humble rampart]

is this what the kids are calling numberslop

[random storm]

ill fix the formatting when im dead

[random storm]

numberslop needs an E i think

[amber river]

Guys

I want

To make judgement

Into

[dense egret]

?

[amber river]

Something revolvinf heavy topics

As you play and do specific things

[jaunty galleon]

i would call this Petty Numberslop

[sleek granite]

grab bag

[amber river]

push sack

[humble rampart]

always

:money:

[jaunty galleon]

that’s me

[amber river]

bro sais :money:

[teal sky]

Right, the same Kruskal where most of his suggestions are in like group theory and then people drag it into googology

The fact that they're made to have fun as opposed to anything else is exactly the point. It's not a formal system of mathematics, it's a pastime. You're proving my point lol

You say "this isn't true" in point three as though you didn't admit to the second half in your last point and the first half in your current point

Googology asserts that some random invented number alakabob far exceeds other established hierarchies and then also provides no proofs of where exactly it sits nor any bounds in terms of known ordinal indices; it's not valid as an argument

ZFC is literally one way of writing definitions; there are so many different ways lmao
Do some martin-lof type theory or make yours from a topos or do literally anything. There are so many ways to construct number systems and ZFC is literally only known because of pop math

You pointing out that they're not publishing the papers in googology but instead googology uses those papers is just a sign of googology being a mathematical leech. Graham's number arose naturally in a ramsey-theoretic proof; googological numbers are contrived without even an attempt of such an origin and provide literally no insight into any other field

You can have fun but to pretend it's legitimate mathematics is funny to me

[random storm]

i apologize to corobo, but this was a slight modification on her original idea

[civic atlas]

numbers lop

[humble rampart]

:dinero:

[sleek granite]

should i remove the negative playing card spawning joker is it broken

[random storm]

woh

[humble rampart]

oh my god bruh

[torn urchin]

Jumpscare

I'm scared idk how to read

I'm a deltarune fan

[exotic belfry]

[civic atlas]

wall of text moment

[exotic belfry]

reading a novel rn

[jaunty galleon]

funny you should mention negative cards in trying to make them balanced

[humble rampart]

i hate matjh im not reading it

[sleek granite]

hows that

[humble rampart]

negative editions give +2 slots instead idk

[jaunty galleon]

Painted Card (Enhancement) - +1 hand size, X0.8 Mult when held in hand

[sleek granite]

oh right

i want negative for flavor tho

[humble rampart]

blueprint only copies .8X

get fucked

!!!!

[amber river]

bro is crashing out abouth google

[torn urchin]

Foley

[sleek granite]

its just fundamentally overpowered

[random storm]

did someone actually just reply "no" to this?

[civic atlas]

what is this arguement even about

[amber river]

google

or bing

[humble rampart]

googleplex

[random storm]

or yahoo

[teal sky]

The argument is about googology not being a legitimate field of mathematics

[sleek granite]

eat my odd bread

[torn urchin]

Nom

[amber river]

@hard plank is pissandshitium better or worse than bing

[humble rampart]

innacurately makign a googology joker and pissing 2 people off

[hard plank]

no comment

[sleek granite]

pissandshittium is a browser not a search engine smh

[amber river]

browsers literally are search engines

[hard plank]

I'm considering compiling chrome 138 so people can have browsers with adblock

[amber river]

gng the ragebait baited

im pissed now

[dense egret]

oh another arguin? 🍿

[humble rampart]

lmfao

[torn urchin]

Retry Now

[humble rampart]

nO

please no

[dense egret]

ok :c

[hard plank]

bad ragebait

[plush hound]

i thought googology was a wordplay for google

[sleek granite]

Get Fucked! /lyr

[jaunty galleon]

oh like that one NotITG chart

[humble rampart]

gogololgoygy is math for dumb babies because they say gooogooogaga

[plush hound]

googoology

[amber river]

GOOGOOGAGA

LMFAOOO

[humble rampart]

golgoygy

[jaunty galleon]

#baby-chat

[torn urchin]

Baby Saja be like

[jaunty galleon]

what has happened

[hard plank]

i hate it here

[plush hound]

the entire team, is babies

[civic atlas]

same

[torn urchin]

I miss Heaven

[jaunty galleon]

i like to play and draw

[plush hound]

she's busy

[torn urchin]

Makes sense

[plush hound]

also i beat Ruby in Entropy multiplayer

im good

[humble rampart]

satan after falling

[civic atlas]

what is the age range of a baby

like

[sleek granite]

i love my fucked up table of contents

[civic atlas]

how old do you need to be to be a baby

[slim tendon]

So answer this, are these both definitions you'd consider for fake mathematics

Well founded and provable, not made up, but still having no use

Completely made up for people to feel smart

Googology doesn't just spawn from people wanting bigger number, most of the time it is well founded, people write systems for it and publish them, sometimes being googologists themselves. The other times, it is fictional googology and actually made up.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.12832

This was published by a well known googologist, and is certainly not "pseudo-mathematics"

There are many other examples and almost every notation has a rigorous definition

Definitions for sets to restrict ordinals under conditions to redefine them:

[warm swan]

Same seed?
Otherwise it's all luck and that's 🧢

[amber river]

1

[humble rampart]

OH MY GOD BRUH

[dense egret]

uh, i think -5 months

[plush hound]

same seed, @daring sluice the witness

[warm swan]

Poggers job then :3

[tender atlas]

@tardy sigil Got another Joker you can draw if you still feel like it. I need a Jimbo marionette, full body with the strings.

[amber river]

witness the baddie

guys i just pulled this

[humble rampart]

0 to 1+N where N is however old you are if you talk about googolology

[slim tendon]

IM SORRY

[teal sky]

Proving my point once again
The veblen function is ordinal analysis
Try again

[humble rampart]

THEN STOP :SOB:

[jaunty galleon]

googology is numberslop if it was a mathematical field. if you needed it explained in modded balatro terms there you go

[plush hound]

nerd arguing

[slim tendon]

you didnt answer the first part of my response so I have no clue what your point is

[amber river]

bro is arguing like a redditor

[sleek granite]

it is tho

[daring sluice]

he spawned in a legendary and claimed it was from a skip btw

[dense egret]

-# 😭

[jaunty galleon]

my proof? polterworx server has a #googology channel

[civic atlas]

I KNEW IT

[plush hound]

NO

[amber river]

isnt polterowrx desd

[humble rampart]

playing peekabo with a baby type argument

[daring sluice]

sorry niko can't cover for you forever

[dense egret]

true

[rugged fable]

Y’all wtf is this argument about mathematics? Stop trying to gatekeep a field of study

[plush hound]

DUDE

[humble rampart]

DONT ADD TO IT

😭

[dense egret]

xd

[amber river]

someone is calling numbers stupid

[rugged fable]

In the modding chat of all places

[amber river]

in a balatro modding chat too

[teal sky]

The answer is that I consider it pseudo mathematics if it provides literally no insight into anything and does not serve to contribute anything whatsoever

[humble rampart]

i jist wanted to like show off jokers

[civic atlas]

modding chat is off topic until it isnt

[teal sky]

you are calling ordinal analysis googology when those are two entirely different fields

[humble rampart]

the person who uses modding chat as off topic is a fool everyday but one

[rugged fable]

Pedant spotted

[dense egret]

erh, 80% of modders

[plush hound]

i eat Jokers for living

[forest knoll]

if "pure" mathematics is the antithesis to "applied" mathematics in that it purposefully does not focus on immediate practical/useful application, then googology is the purest math of all

[daring sluice]

flipped a coin and it told me you're wrong sorry can you stop the argument now it's over gg

[tender atlas]

Whew, a topic above my education level today, lol.

[humble rampart]

oh my god bruh

[hard plank]

https://youtu.be/8ZP5eqm4JqM

[jaunty galleon]

well my coin said corobo is right so how do you like them apples

[humble rampart]

coin said so

[daring sluice]

uhh idk crunchy, sweet

[civic atlas]

where are you getting your coins

[humble rampart]

you both should have the coin have a kid and see what the coin kid thinks

[daring sluice]

as long as they aren't mushy idc tbh

[slim tendon]

This is also a good portion of mathematics though

Ordinal analysis and googology aren't mutually exclusive, just like astrophysics and physics aren't. Googology doesn't have any practical application, but that doesn't make it "pseudo mathematics". If this were the case, that would again, be a good portion of modern mathematics

[jaunty galleon]

ew green apples are much better than those red fakers

eat a real fruit

[humble rampart]

you are so obviously not sorry

[hard plank]

some people do big number just because it's big

[slim tendon]

no not really but I am sorry about not being sorry

[dense egret]

what

[amber river]

big numbers 🥺

[amber river]

i love that the fandom agrees that angey papyrus is just a realistic skull

[humble rampart]

😄

[torn urchin]

Am I even a person beneath

[daring sluice]

@grok is googology pseudoscience

[amber river]

@late crest grok it up

[humble rampart]

@gork hell o

[dense egret]

i love it too, i cant find the artist 😞

[civic atlas]

@grok is this true?

or something

[slim tendon]

Either way, i've said what I had to say and it doesn't seem productive to continue

You can interpret whatever I've had to say however you want, that was just my insight

[civic atlas]

i dont use twitter

[jaunty galleon]

@grok make this numberslop studio jiggly

[amber river]

grok is googology

[daring sluice]

who does

[amber river]

and is googology poggers or not

[civic atlas]

a lot of people apparantly

[humble rampart]

couldnt you have come to that conclusion 5 essays ago 💔

[slim tendon]

no

[dense egret]

tbf you started it

[slim tendon]

(insight)

[dense egret]

like it wasnt necessary

[civic atlas]

i think arguements and debates are an essential part of conversations as a whole and people are allowed to have it actually

[amber river]

pick me debater

[humble rampart]

anti intellectualism coursing through my fucking veins

[civic atlas]

apples are better than oranges

[teal sky]

I don't mean no practical application
I mean no application in any mathematical field at all :/

But also googology and ordinal analysis are entirely different, you're making a category error here

As well, you very heavily and constantly conflate source of interest with disciplinary contribution.
That someone identifies or doesn't as a googologist doesn't retroactively classify the content of their paper as googology. You linked proof theory and ordinal analysis, which are very unambiguously not googology. It's nothing at all like physics and astrophysics, they're in entirely different fields

Calling ordinal analysis googology is like calling algebraic geometry "math art" because someone drew a curve once; superficial similarity doesn't imply disciplinary equivalence very obviously

[amber river]

yes

[dense egret]

At least this didn't end in senseless insults.

[humble rampart]

mf we in a balatro discord we post jokers and jimbos

[hard plank]

ok so i would like you to imagine how big 10^100 is

[amber river]

bimbios and jimbos

[civic atlas]

pretty big

[humble rampart]

more than 10

[civic atlas]

i think like

a google

[humble rampart]

100 with 10 zeros

[civic atlas]

like the search engine

[amber river]

a gogol

[humble rampart]

golggogagogo

[hard plank]

what about 10^(10^100)

[amber river]

woah

that big

[daring sluice]

uhh idk probably like 2 baron 2 mime with 7 steel kings and level 20 high card

[civic atlas]

i think thats pretty complex google

like

[humble rampart]

some numberslop amoubt thats more than the atoms and doesnt matter at all

[civic atlas]

a googolplex

[amber river]

shut the fuck up

[hard plank]

it's so big but what does it mean

[daring sluice]

nunbersloppers when 1e-27

[torn urchin]

10^100 shrimps

[humble rampart]

"guys this number that doesnt exist is bigger than the amount of atoms ever" okay??? go away???

[jaunty galleon]

the arguments are certainly better than the people in here that go “ermmmm why are you arguing this isn’t arguing chat you can’t discuss anything” and shitting up the chat. there’s an interesting back and forth going on and about half a dozen people shitting up chat and contributing fuck all

[edgy galleon]

guys how bigg i s 897433799753135898986469963 it so big ......

[civic atlas]

number cleanse

[plush hound]

Nostalgic Googol Play Card

(Epic)

Sell this card to create a duplicate of the leftmost card

[humble rampart]

nothing its nothing its not useful to anyone ever beyond "did you know this big number is big"

[amber river]

so big

[hard plank]

it's way too big to even comprehend in its actuality

[civic atlas]

i think like 3 is pretty big

[dense egret]

TREE[3]

[amber river]

tempted to add more numbers to jusgement

omg

hex code ranks

[civic atlas]

tree

[humble rampart]

i dont comprehend the horrors beyond my imagination so i dont care

[humble rampart]

tree(4)

[civic atlas]

like the plant

[jaunty galleon]

i stand by the opinion we should have never gone past 1,000 because the human brain just Doesn’t Get It past that point

[humble rampart]

suck on that

[plush hound]

John Balala neg diff Kosmos

[daring sluice]

i think the issue i have is that there were only two people knowledgeable enough on the topic that were willing to engage in the argument but it just had to happen here for some reason

[civic atlas]

the plant? like from balala

[dense egret]

search TREE{3} on google

[plush hound]

we're just a casual player 😭

[humble rampart]

the 2 people on earth who have literally any opinion on the topic

[slim tendon]

There is significant overlap between ordinal analysis and googology

I genuinely think your idea of how googology is defined is wrong, and it is in fact fictional googology which you are describing. It may be recreational but most numbers are not arbitrarily defined. They rely on proof theory and ordinal analysis to reach that point, so are these numbers not a part of googology?

[humble rampart]

if you asked anyone else on the planet they wouldnt even say "i dont know" theyd say "i dont care"

[edgy galleon]

i think it would be biger if it was THREE{3} because tree is not a nunber

[amber river]

you cant prove a number

[humble rampart]

the two people who care about googoogagas met here

[civic atlas]

chat rate my mii

[amber river]

if you cant touch it it doesnt exist

[humble rampart]

7/8

[daring sluice]

3/3.2

[humble rampart]

cool hat

[civic atlas]

im playing miitopia

[dense egret]

but tree is bigger than a number, isnt it?

[civic atlas]

i think its a good game

[daring sluice]

no a tree is a plant dummy!

[humble rampart]

trees are bigger than paper usually yeah

[edgy galleon]

tree is like 1 because it long adn tall ? please be educate

[dense egret]

yea, Will you tell me that a number is bigger than a tree?

[amber river]

{3}

[humble rampart]

i assume a tree would be bigger than the paper you write a number on

[hard plank]

idk big number too big for my stupid brain

[civic atlas]

plant notation

[daring sluice]

100

[amber river]

depends on the number

everything is matter

[dense egret]

the?

[humble rampart]

2 trees

[amber river]

thoughts are matter

[civic atlas]

true

[dense egret]

yea thats 2(tree), youre cheating

[daring sluice]

meow

[humble rampart]

N+1 where N is the biggest number you can think of

get fucked i win!!!!

[dense egret]

uh, -1

[hard plank]

1ee100

reduced to 2 e's

[humble rampart]

0 is bigger than -1

[civic atlas]

e

like rush e

[slim tendon]

TREE(3) is estimated to be around ψ(Ω^(Ω^ω*ω)) [10] (ordinal analysis)

SSCG(3) is estimated to be around ψ(Ω_ω) [10], and grow at the buchholz ordinal (ordinal analysis and proof theory)

[jaunty galleon]

i mean i’m doing maths in uni so i understand the arguments being made but also i don’t really read many mathematical papers because a lot of them are very complex and dense. that is to say i don’t feel like i have the skin in the game necessary to formulate a detailed opinion about googology as a field. i agree with corobo’s points more though

[civic atlas]

the song

[amber river]

N+1 where n is a never before seen slur named "jiblet"

[dense egret]

prove it

-# pls dont

[humble rampart]

why are we owoing in modding chat

[sleek granite]

prove thac is the worst mod

[amber river]

a for earthquack

[dense egret]

I WASNT >:(

[humble rampart]

erfquake

[random storm]

owo

[humble rampart]

i prefer owoing in moddingchat over googlgolging

[sleek granite]

oh you can absolutely numberslop in thac

[dense egret]

happends a lot, you will get use to it

[daring sluice]

mrreow

[random storm]

mrowwwwww

[amber river]

stwop wif da nummyslop 🥺 uwu

[humble rampart]

real shit

[sleek granite]

you just cant talisman and i dont care

[civic atlas]

message to @packgod gif

[torn urchin]

OwO

[daring sluice]

meowing > googology

tbh

[amber river]

@forest berry

close enough

[torn urchin]

What am I doing with my life

[humble rampart]

who the fuck is packgosh

[daring sluice]

living probably

[jaunty galleon]

i mean i think mayhem is pure undistilled numberslop therefore i do not agree

[random storm]

mrrrrppp

[amber river]

dollar store packgod

[torn urchin]

Failing

[plucky sorrel]

mrahhh

[torn urchin]

Who X me

[humble rampart]

why tf we got kirkland packgod

[torn urchin]

VIOLET

[teal sky]

If I'm doing hodge theory I can't just say I'm doing category theory and then suddenly what I'm doing is category theory
I'm still doing hodge theory

If you're doing proof theory and ordinal analysis to get a value, then what you're doing is proof theory and ordinal analysis
You can drag them back to googology if you want but at no point was any of that a googological process

If I try to find if something is differentiable in R by using the cauchy riemann equations, that's still me doing complex analysis, even if I'm doing it to have it be applied to normal calculus
I can't suddenly say the cauchy riemann equations are calculus, they're not, they're complex analysis

[sleek granite]

aspects plus negative playing cards gives you access to several nutty combos

[teal sky]

meow

[random storm]

yes

[torn urchin]

Meow :3

[torn urchin]

Meow

[random storm]

mraowww

[humble rampart]

sonic the hodge theory

holy shit

[sleek granite]

Negative Glass Cards with Void Aspect come to mind

[humble rampart]

math is awesome

[daring sluice]

chat how to stop sneezing

[civic atlas]

meth is awesome

[random storm]

stop

[torn urchin]

I made a Negative Stone card gimmick

[forest knoll]

what if i made...
numberglop

[civic atlas]

stop sneezing

[humble rampart]

get a blankie

[amber river]

Guys can we get a dmc5 combo counter that scales according to your numbeslop

[sleek granite]

(void = score this card as if it was played and scoring it it is held in hand)

[torn urchin]

Idk how but I can help stop hiccups

[sleek granite]

(glass cards used this way dont break)

[daring sluice]

how would this help

[random storm]

i have an hour n 15 minutes left of coding

[humble rampart]

maybe ur cold idfk

[edgy galleon]

mrrp

[random storm]

comfi

[daring sluice]

good point

im already under blanket though

meoww

[humble rampart]

more blankie

[jaunty galleon]

even all the nerfed cards i see from mayhem translate in my brain to “Make the Rest of the Run Really Fucking Boring”

[humble rampart]

never enough blankie

[torn urchin]

I'm gonna explode

[random storm]

mrow

[daring sluice]

too many blanket

[humble rampart]

never too much blankie

[jaunty galleon]

maybe it’s just not my kind of mod though considering i play only the finest vanillaslop

[wanton rapids]

more blanket

[forest knoll]

it's settled then. i will make glop Good™

[daring sluice]

too many

[civic atlas]

blank like from balala

the voucher

[humble rampart]

blasphemy

[slim tendon]

When you want to specifically learn about big numbers, you don't say "I want to learn about how to prove sequences terminate and how to evaluate the different order types of natural numbers", you say "I want to learn about googology", and both of those topics are an enormous part of trying to achieve that.

[torn urchin]

Listening to Spoken for multiple times does something

I'm cooked

[random storm]

oki i need to get back to coding, bai cats

[humble rampart]

googloglogy isnt numbers

[civic atlas]

no yeah it is too many

[torn urchin]

Bai

[humble rampart]

what about dogs :(

[teal sky]

you literally don't need to learn about googology to do that

[civic atlas]

cause blankies are a countable noun

[torn urchin]

Don't exist

[random storm]

hiss

[sleek granite]

jahn grab bag

[humble rampart]

snarl

[daring sluice]

okay i got a second blankie

[humble rampart]

my flesh dissapears

[edgy galleon]

when you want to learn about big numbers you sit down, listen to a big number, then say "well what's that number plus 1 smart guy"

[sleek granite]

what if you shatter my jokers...

[slim tendon]

so what, is the term itself made up then? Because the foundations themselves are definitely not pseudo mathematics, and no part of the topic itself is

[torn urchin]

I thought you were a cat

[daring sluice]

what about infinity plus 1 how about that smart guy

[torn urchin]

My bad

[slim tendon]

or is it just a banner plastered on to topics like those

[torn urchin]

What if you shatter me

[edgy galleon]

cats have flesh silly

[dense egret]

You know that some infinities are bigger than others, right?

[humble rampart]

no i never meowed

[slim tendon]

Because I agree with this

[sleek granite]

shattered teto

[jaunty galleon]

to be real with you i think god runs in ANY roguelike are boring as fuck

[slim tendon]

But it is not pseudo mathematics

[edgy galleon]

yea, infinity + 1

[humble rampart]

ohnmy god bruh

[civic atlas]

uncountable infinity

take that liberals

[jaunty galleon]

i think rougelikes should have you constantly fighting for your life

[dense egret]

yea, unfortunatly that argument is valid xd

[dense egret]

nah i dont discuss

[edgy galleon]

my number is infinity infinities #blocked

[slim tendon]

true

just not with large cardinals

[sleek granite]

i think it is much cooler when this becomes *: Terms and Conditions may apply or *: Does not prevent tripping over your own stupidity

[jaunty galleon]

i’m on that Nubby’s shit rubberband the hell out of the game

[humble rampart]

roguelikes should have me huffing and puffing up to my knees in blood as i dont get 5 seconds into the game and i dont have fun at all

[edgy galleon]

i know that's why numbers are stupid and i should hide in the woods

[daring sluice]

i prefer cats and women

over numbers

[humble rampart]

i prefer dog women and men over numbers

[random storm]

your opinion on men

[daring sluice]

about the same as my opinion on women

[dense egret]

wait youre not a cat?

[humble rampart]

no im a boy dog

[random storm]

fair enough, have a good gay

[dense egret]

prove it

[teal sky]

Well what you describe as the topic is a different field altogether and the field itself, separated from other fields, doesn't actually contribute anything of substance

But also
Literally all terms are made up lol

[daring sluice]

thanks

[edgy galleon]

https://youtu.be/9378B0h5wqY?si=Te1Qw_XuCvLg3zd2

[humble rampart]

my fursona is a boy dog

[sleek granite]

balatro story mode

[jaunty galleon]

the opposite can be true too, some rougelikes like noita and fear and hunger go way too far in the other direction and fuck you over all the time and they’re slogs to play

[civic atlas]

what yall think of mcsm

[dense egret]

imo looks more like a cat, but it yours

[sleek granite]

my fursona is

[humble rampart]

MEGA CHAINSAWMAN

[civic atlas]

no

[humble rampart]

WHIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[civic atlas]

minecraft story mode

i think it was peak

[dense egret]

It's a shame they didn't continue it.

[edgy galleon]

i like lizards
my pfp is my side oc thats imprisoned for blowing up a restaurant for fun

[civic atlas]

🐘

[humble rampart]

my pfp is my fursona i made on webfishing

[jaunty galleon]

balatro is at its peak when you don’t know if you’ll pass the next blind or not and i think any balatro mod worth its salt should focus on putting the player in that exact mindset as much as possible

[humble rampart]

fun fact theres a lot of gay furries on webfishing

[slim tendon]

Right, but that term is plastered on for people who specifically want to learn large numbers, and learning about well foundedness and looking for paradoxes (the core of set theory) is a huge part of that learning process.

Obviously the same with trying to learn infinite arithmetic, large cardinal axioms, or the von-neumann hierarchy

Again this certainly does not make it pseudo mathematics, but the term is a bit weird, and it does attract people who don't care about all of the above (why fictional googology exists)

[edgy galleon]

🤯

[sleek granite]

i like the angle of "heres a shitton of tools figure it out"

[dense egret]

that, I'm not surprised, I won't lie

[humble rampart]

no i like hitting 800.000 score ante 6

[jaunty galleon]

for the record i think grab bag gets this balance wrong at the moment

[edgy galleon]

cryptid players like hitting 1e371 ante like 2 i guess

[humble rampart]

you can date them if they let you, you can just find gay furries, ive dated 7263 gay furries from webfishing

[civic atlas]

online dating...

[dense egret]

dude cryptid players are in the ante -186.180

[edgy galleon]

my gay furries are locally sourced thank you very much

[humble rampart]

napoleon did it so can i

[sleek granite]

balatro is at its best when you have 60 mods and the shop is absolutely fucked and you have random table scraps to survive with

[edgy galleon]

webfishing costs money, discord is free

sorry to mult in public like that

[jaunty galleon]

shattered jokers are cool in concept but in practice it either feels like you’re dragging a dead joker along and you can’t find a shatter or you break the run wide open ante 2

[sleek granite]

dead joker

like

[jaunty galleon]

Charcuterie’s Overclockeds are conceptually much stronger i think

[humble rampart]

yeah but they all go on webfishing anyways might as well

[daring sluice]

just sneezed y'all Lied to me!!!!

[humble rampart]

more blankie

[hard plank]

th30ne

[humble rampart]

clearly not enough blankie

[daring sluice]

i don't have more blankieee

[humble rampart]

obviously

[jaunty galleon]

that’s me

[humble rampart]

hug pillow

[hard plank]

I'll need someone to play against to test my mod

[teal sky]

Right, it's an informal blanket term that carries no inherent axiomatic commitments or proof obligations
Googology as a whole just promises the spectacle of huge numbers

The underlying methodology in the most generous cases can be taken from ordinal analysis and proof theory but that doesn't make them googological
Googology, as a standalone field, has no intrinsic mathematical content unless it inherits from other fields. That's what makes it pseudo mathematics.
It's parasitic on proof theory, ordinal analysis, combinatorics, etc., but that doesn't make it those fields just because it's parasitic off of them; it's structurally non-contributory

[daring sluice]

you make a great point

[humble rampart]

right?

[edgy galleon]

use chainmail

[hard plank]

big words big number my small brain can't handle

[sleek granite]

i wanna add something to shake things up to make things harder but im not great at designing things where the game plays fair and the player has a good experience rather than it just feeling awful

[jaunty galleon]

like, in balatro multiplayer?

[daring sluice]

this is insanity

[hard plank]

yeah

[humble rampart]

thats literally the opposite of what needs to happen

[sleek granite]

thats why i only have two blinds

and the showdown probably still feelsbad

[humble rampart]

i wonder if my jokers could work for blatro pvp

[sleek granite]

yeah i wanna add ways to interact with stickers

so they feel less Just Bad

[humble rampart]

balatro but every joker rolls 3d3 and if any of them are a 3 the joker is fucking unusable

[sleek granite]

and more like a puzzle you can potentially work with

[dense egret]

The line between unfair and difficult is quite thin.

[sleek granite]

then i might make some stickers of my own, carrying that methodology

[edgy galleon]

eternals let me do funny ankh shit on ghost deck

[worn dagger]

12:00

[lost bolt]

is nubby's number factory numberslop

[sleek granite]

i think payas stickers are pretty solid from what ive seen

[edgy galleon]

same

[hard plank]

also I'll need some more playtesting with oxidising stake

[edgy galleon]

nubbyslop

[sleek granite]

i might actually just. make stakes that combine other mods'

[slim tendon]

The underlying methodology in the most generous cases can be taken from ordinal analysis and proof theory but that doesn't make them googological

this is the majority of modern googology, again I agree it is plastered on, but stuff like ordinal analysis and proof theory are specifically designed for higher mathematics, and that doesn't make them "parasitic"

Googology itself is just the study of large finite numbers, and using methods outside of those two underlying topics is just stupid

[jaunty galleon]

no because the game rubberbands you hard if you start getting tons of restocks

[humble rampart]

the only real stakes are white stake and black stake and honestly i wish i could have a stake with JUST eternals turned on

[sleek granite]

and pretend im cool

[lost bolt]

so it gives big numbers in a more balanced way

[storm forum]

Head empty, no thought, but successfully pulled off use of love.thread antics.

[humble rampart]

NO!!!!!!!

[lost bolt]

i love nubby

[dense egret]

actually theres a mod that let you pick what stakes you want

[edgy galleon]

Proceed ???? 🧊🧊🐥

[dense egret]

yea, i forgot the name

[teal sky]

It doesn't make ordinal analysis and proof theory parasitic because they are able to contribute things on their own without inheriting from other fields
Googology cannot

[jaunty galleon]

yeah nubby’s also has insane difficulty scaling so it all balances out in the end

[worn dagger]

lmao

[lost bolt]

i would make a big numbers mod but attempt to make it so you have to work for it but i'm not experienced enough for that kinda balancing

[wanton rapids]

bologna tony is, i wouldn't say the rest is unless you get a god run

[jaunty galleon]

on the contrary it would be cool to see a small numbers mod someday

bologna is 1000% numberslop

[slim tendon]

This just delves deeper into the "usefulness" of certain topics. Extremely high level mathematics is useless in a lot of aspects, its almost purely academia. Same with other abstract topics like learning about dark matter. People do it because it's interesting but does not provide any short-term usefulness

[civic atlas]

why is nubby so closely tied to balatro by people when the only correlation is big number go up and limited ability slots

[worn dagger]

Who here loves

[wanton rapids]

NL, also thunk tweeted it out once

[teal sky]

They're not useless though
They provide insights about mathematics and contribute things on their own independent of other fields
Which is exactly what I've said

[civic atlas]

nl?

[jaunty galleon]

and the round -> shop gameplay loop, and the boss rounds/blinds, and perks and vouchers being similar, and the focus on item order and triggering, and

[wanton rapids]

thats also true

[slim tendon]

Algebraic topology and category theory are huge examples of being, for the most part, not useful except in academics. Sometimes people want to have fun and learn, and calling something fake or pseudo just because it is "parasitic" to other topics is flawed

[jaunty galleon]

what i wanna know is where people agree getting PEGGLE from

[wanton rapids]

i guess it's one step away from nubbys

[jaunty galleon]

nubby’s has VERY little peggle dna

[wanton rapids]

this is also true

[hard plank]

peggle?

[jaunty galleon]

a ball comes from the top of the screen and uh It Hits Things

that’s it

[hard plank]

I'm going to make numberslop game

[teal sky]

calling either of those useless is insane btw
Algebraic topology has a lot of applications in neuroscience and data analysis
Category theory has a lot of applications in linguistics and computer science
Even if it didn't, they both provide insights about mathematics and contribute things on their own, independent of other fields
So I'm not sure what the point is here

[civic atlas]

probably true cause i havent played nubby

[teal sky]

actually they both have applications in neuroscience

but like category theory specifically has an entire field called categorical databases which is direct applications in computer science

[real oracle]

guys, what do you think about this?

[slim tendon]

hence why I said for the most part

Deeper theoretical parts of algebraic topology like stable homotopy theory exist purely on deeply theoretical problems and thats it

But my original point still stands that googology is not pseudo mathematics because it is well founded, and it being parasitic to other topics is, in general, flawed. You could argue most useless parts of mathematics are parasitic to others. That's just how it works

[teal sky]

[jaunty galleon]

nubby’s is less balatro than all those games that have just Appeared on steam that are literally just balatro beat-for-beat but with scrabble instead of poker, but it’s got a lot of similar mechanics

[edgy galleon]

thought this said "very anatomical" 🫀🫀🫀 bye bye

if sire ass tag is what im known by then im honored

[teal sky]

"Most useless parts of mathematics" aren't parasitic though
If they contribute literally nothing on their own, then they are
But again again
They provide unique insights about mathematics and contribute things on their own, independent of other fields
Googology does not.
That is the difference.
Literally every field in mathematics provides insights about mathematics and contributes things independent of other fields

[edgy galleon]

bye bye

[wanton rapids]

i really don't like the new subgenre of "balatrolikes" that take 95% of the gameplay 1:1

[jaunty galleon]

same

[edgy galleon]

balatrolikes have existed forever... i mean look at Luck be a Landlord and Peglin

[jaunty galleon]

oh you calculate score by multiplying the red number and the blue number? that’s really cool man why didn’t you copy the part where balatro is a balanced game

i am the #1 peglin hater

[wanton rapids]

no but do those copy literally everything about the game

i dont like peglin for other reasons but at least its an original game

[edgy galleon]

i know im being stupid

[jaunty galleon]

also didn’t thunk say lbal inspired balatro directly

[edgy galleon]

yea

[jaunty galleon]

really balatro is a landlordlike

[slim tendon]

I could keep going but it seems like we're at a stand still. I think calling something pseudo just irkes me, especially because nothing about it is fake. Comparing googology to stuff like quantum meditation or whatever is just insane, thats all

[jaunty galleon]

word play is a decent take on a balatrolike. the perks need some balancing, but i do like how the scoring numbers are intentionally kept very small

[slim tendon]

And something being useless is often the most interesting to learn about, I've started my 1st year as a grad in astrophysics and most of the stuff we learn about is absolutely useless and abstract

[wanton rapids]

word play looks pretty good

especially since it ditched the whole chips X mult (or at least just the multiplication part)

[civic atlas]

i mean its made by the game development essays guy so

[torn urchin]

I'm back

[jaunty galleon]

mind over magnet looked mid as hell though

[torn urchin]

Is it still the same

[civic atlas]

mind over magnet is good tho

[jaunty galleon]

that’s just the impression i got from watching the dev logs

[teal sky]

It's not that its uselessness is why I dislike it, there's a difference
"Useless" implies it has no application which I do not care in the slightest about
But all of the insights and discoveries and everything else that are attributed to googology are insights and discoveries of other fields
It offers no insights or discoveries on its own, isolated from proof theory and ordinal theory

[torn urchin]

Yup

[slim tendon]

BMS is huge in combinatorics and was developed purely for googology

That paper I showed you was written by someone I know very well, purely because they want to develop stronger systems in googology

Y-Sequence is another huge combinatorics system that was developed purely for googology

[teal sky]

That's still misattributing it to googology though

[slim tendon]

How though

[hard plank]

i am stupid

[slim tendon]

They are googologists, and made it for googology

[civic atlas]

relatable?

[slim tendon]

Just like almost every other area in mathematics, they used underlying systems to give it well foundedness

Even PrSS has been huge in combinatorics, and it uses a sequence system (combinatorics) as a way to assign values to natural numbers (googology)

[hard plank]

wtf i am stupid

[teal sky]

They are discoveries in those other fields like combinatorics and proof theory
Veblen functions are proof theory and ordinal analysis
I can't find a single paper on the other two so I have a hard time believing they're huge things

[hard plank]

i dont understand any of this

[teal sky]

but if they're made in combinatorics then they are combinatorics

that's how that works

that doesn't make them googology

[random storm]

they say "don't have a favorite child", but the same clearly isn't true for balatro jokers as this is now my new favorite that i've made

[slim tendon]

Something discovered in quantum mechanics is quantum mechanics, but is still physics. There is nothing wrong with that analogy because they are identical

Nobody calls the study of large numbers "using ordinal analysis, combinatorics, and proof theory to develop systems that map natural numbers to other natural numbers", they call it googology

Which just so happens to include all of those because they are the fundamentals of googology

[teal sky]

trying to find papers mentioning PRSS is only coming up with papers regarding genes relating to colorectal cancer so :/

[woven orchid]

wtf mythical rarity jamx appearance in modding chat

[slim tendon]

primitive sequence system

I actually don't know if Bashicu pushed his papers out publicly, but it is an ordinal notation and has been used in other proofs

[slim tendon]

hi

[woven orchid]

hi

[hard plank]

hi lily

[woven orchid]

hi

[teal sky]

the closest I can see is primitive recursive sequence functions but those seem very unrelated

[slim tendon]

im just here because i found something that irked me thats all, ill be gone in a bit

probably

maybe

[teal sky]

my message was like 8 hours ago

[woven orchid]

super probably maybe

[slim tendon]

Yeah ik, i'm just hugely against pseudo science and I think its poison, and comparing a topic I have a hobby in to being fake like that just upset me, especially since I know the amount of work people put in to make it true and well founded

As a matter of fact I'm looking into developing large cardinal definitions for intermediates because of googology although that might not happen

[woven orchid]

googology is magic but only if we lived in a world where mages existed and it was just too complicated for my dumb brain

[slim tendon]

(weakly compact>a>greatly mahlo)

[teal sky]

Yes but it uses the mechanics of quantum mechanics, it doesn't just use the mechanics of like newtonian physics
It's disanalogous

[slim tendon]

Idk what pseudo-science youve learning about but theres nothing quantum about it lmao

People like deepak just like to coerce boomers into falling into that trap

[teal sky]

I study qft

.>

Albeit not as much as I study mathematics but they're interconnected

[slim tendon]

Yeah I'm learning about Calabi-Yau manifolds rn which is a huge intersection in astrophysics and quantum mechanics

[woven orchid]

subtle but nice

[teal sky]

complex manifolds are peak

[north crater]

thank you that's actually such a nice compliment, cause i thought it wasn't subtle enough actually

[woven orchid]

if it wasnt for me already having a card skin with my face on it i would use cards that looked like that

[teal sky]

they are my specialty

[north crater]

oh, thanks lol

[slim tendon]

Theyre only useful in theoretical physics for solving certain unanswered parts of string theory

[teal sky]

not specifically calabi yau manifolds but like
Just in general
tho I'm looking into hyperfunctions as well

[north crater]

some of them look particularily dope imo tho

[woven orchid]

ooh

[north crater]

light vs dark lookin ass

[slim tendon]

"fuzzballs" are my rabbithole

[woven orchid]

time to try a run of my own mod and see if i can get a chance to use mirrored cards at all

[slim tendon]

solving the mathematical singularity

[teal sky]

Not direct applications
Complex manifolds typically applies to lower branches like fourier analysis and deformation theory and alg geo

unless you mean specifically calabi yau

in which case
I guess? I never really focused on specifically calabi yau too much

[slim tendon]

They're just fundamentally useful in string theory, but so far no observational results have come from using stuff like gravitational wave astronomy

Which as of now without using simulations is the only way to test it

[teal sky]

isn't that like
the flaw with string theory
is the difficulty to test a large portion of it observationally

[slim tendon]

Yeah and it assumes a lot of stuff which more than likely isn't true

Requires 9 spatial dimensions and stuff

General relativity is also inconsistent with a lot of the stuff string theory assumes

Like the existence of a non-dimensional singularity

(which basic newtonian physics doesn't work on either)

[teal sky]

I mean general relativity is also somewhat inconsistent with quantum physics
how relativity can be reconciled with quantum mechanics is an active unsolved problem

[azure dagger]

@storm forum Ok, the "Albanian Virus" Joker has BALJEET from P&F?
Feral work.

[slim tendon]

It probably won't happen for a long time too

[storm forum]

"Hello, your computer has virus" meme is to blame for that one.

[slim tendon]

LIGO made improvements but we're still far off

[teal sky]

please consult the xkcd comic

[north crater]

am i cooking chat ?

[azure dagger]

So out of pocket for that

[teal sky]

I'm optimistic langlands will be what does it

[slim tendon]

I'm probably not going to write a dissertation on any of that towards the end of my degree, I think my interest has mostly shifted to Type Ia supernovae and the reason why total collapse is unlikely

[teal sky]

I've still been working on my thesis paper
I have more than enough time to switch it up but sunk cost fallacy gets ahold of me

[random storm]

correct, you don't!

[teal sky]

Debating switching the topic of my paper to deal with hyperfunctions though
They are incredibly interesting in the context of analytic continuation

[hard plank]

nice

[north crater]

i kinda wanna make diamonds green

[hard plank]

but why is the card ourple

[north crater]

cause green's my favorite color

[woven orchid]

and why he ourple

[north crater]

black is too boring

[random storm]

pretends to understand

[north crater]

and purplr is the closest thing to black

[wanton rapids]

purple spades look cool

[torn urchin]

What's your favorite colour

Currently I like pink

Nice vibrant colour

[dreamy abyss]

my favorite color is orange because i am weird

[teal sky]

They're essentially just generalizations of functions that encode the boundary behaviour of holomorphic functions
If a function has analytic continuation from both sides that agree, the hyperfunction is zero and if they differ, that difference is the hyperfunction itself
So it's a sort of residue on the order of analytic continuation that adds a cool fundamental property

[torn urchin]

Orange is a nice colour

[teal sky]

I like green

[torn urchin]

Greens also good

[teal sky]

lime green :3

[torn urchin]

Even better

Gross

Michel

[wanton rapids]

potassium is actually good ??

[torn urchin]

What?

[torn urchin]

What's your favorite colour

[wanton rapids]

uh i like purple i guess

[north crater]

oh btw

those colorswaps are wips atm

[torn urchin]

All the colours are awesome

[north crater]

they will be further changes to the face cards

[torn urchin]

Can't wait for this to be a mod

[north crater]

such as secondary colors, AA, and and a shadow ofc

[north crater]

not planning on publishing

unless there's a group of people rallying for it

[torn urchin]

Doesn't need to be published for it being a mod

[wanton rapids]

what is this... some sort of better balatro?

[hard plank]

sorry guyse

[torn urchin]

Hi Aiko

[north crater]

yeah but i plan on being the only one having it

[torn urchin]

Still can't wait

[wanton rapids]

astro i know whats in potassium

[north crater]

cause i just feel like a visual upgrade like this to the base cards is too basic to be put out

[teal sky]

is it kalium

[wanton rapids]

potassium (balatro mod)

[north crater]

like don't get me wrong, i know im doing good here

but it still isn't worth putting out there

imo

[torn urchin]

That's cool

Meant like I can't wait for you're progression

See how far you come

[north crater]

oh btw pearto

[torn urchin]

Sup

[north crater]

i plan on doing EVERYTHING

[torn urchin]

Okay

[north crater]

vouchers, tarot, jokers decks, blinds

EVERYTHING

[torn urchin]

Aight

[north crater]

planets

[torn urchin]

Can't wait

[north crater]

damn, why you sound like you dgaf lmao

like "aight"

[torn urchin]

My bad

[north crater]

no you're good lmao

[torn urchin]

If I sound over the top I might sound sarcastic

[north crater]

it was just funny going from this excitement to "aight"

[torn urchin]

It's gonna be peak I know

[north crater]

thanks, hun

[hard plank]

AR

[worn dagger]

Jupiter cult

We love playing flushes

[honest zephyr]

i've had bro sitting here for a while and i still don't know an effect.
....probably because i haven't been thinking about it.

[sleek granite]

silly cards like from lucky rabbit

[full edge]

Morning, modders and mothers

[woven orchid]

the two societies

[worn dagger]

It’s 1:10 (am) for me rn

[sleek granite]

ice i got steam drip

[north crater]

ok guys, how we feelin bout this green ?

[worn dagger]

Radioactive

You’re supposed to be asleep

K

Gn

Purple

[full edge]

Hahaha, damn, trying to overstimulate your friends list? 😋

[sleek granite]

well this is the bg

so yes

[full edge]

Oooh, steal that and make it a consumable type background

[real oracle]

These jimbos are supposed to be fruit cards

[torn urchin]

Fruity

[sleek granite]

fruity

[woven orchid]

are you saying youre 100% sure none of them are fruity

[worn dagger]

Fruity

[sleek granite]

fruity edition

its like freaky edition but instead of hearts its pacman fruit

[woven orchid]

nice cat

[worn dagger]

Thx

[real oracle]

Yoooo

[wraith seal]

wont be working on stacked for 4 days, away from my pc rn

:3

[sleek granite]

then ill be working on stacked

[worn dagger]

Polyneg (spectral): gives the effects of both polychrome and negative to one joker

[sleek granite]

modders together string

yeah yknow what sure fuck it

[hard plank]

"yeah"

[wraith seal]

lets go

[woven orchid]

what if it was half of the effects of both

[sleek granite]

no but ill probably make some more effects

[woven orchid]

x0.75 mult
+0.5 joker slots

very good idea

[worn dagger]

Half a joker slot 💀

[sleek granite]

and/or stuff that affects stacked mechanics

[wraith seal]

sre

[sleek granite]

i need to make something that detects if it is sane to do a post_trigger based on the return

[hard plank]

should i help work on stacked

[wraith seal]

i want to be more creative with stacked but idk how

[sleek granite]

check for all return types that present a visual to the player

[quartz wasp]

IT WORKS IT WORKS IT WORKS

YES!!!

FINALLY

[woven orchid]

the plant...

[wraith seal]

u can help with some tarots...

:3

[sleek granite]

i had nekoGloop with the suit levelling one and it triggered once for every heart in my deck every blind (even nonboss ones)

[wraith seal]

-# i want to expand a bit on the consumables but im actively avoiding that rn because, art

[worn dagger]

[sleek granite]

(cards with hearts suit cant be debuffed)

[torn urchin]

Is this for tangent or

I've seen this before

I'm tripping ignore me

[hard plank]

ok

[torn urchin]

I like heart cards

Shut up

[sleek granite]

post_trigger and forcetrigger have cool design space for stacked i feel

[wraith seal]

🤔 whats nekoGloop

[worn dagger]

Hard cards 😭

[sleek granite]

see here bepsie

from the homelatro crossmod in thac

[wraith seal]

ok so my idea for a tarot card is simple, its just a hammer (the effect is 1 in 4 to give a random joker an effect)

[sleek granite]

the relevant part is that post trigger happens ALWAYS even if the joker doesnt do anything

[wraith seal]

referencing the anvil spectral card

[sleek granite]

so i need a function to detect from the other return if the joker like did something. even if only visually

but i think the suit levelling ability is probably good

i might make a similar hand levelling one

these

[north crater]

what are we thinking ?

[quartz wasp]

this is for my mod called the mod which i am making for my friends birthday to surprise him

[hard plank]

ok

i guess a sledgehammer

[torn urchin]

Hell yeah

[summer geyser]

Redefined the meaning of "To Cook".

[north crater]

and i didn't even ad AA yet lmao !

[summer geyser]

You don't need to add Jack
-# ba dum tss
It's already amazing

[hard plank]

i guess ill have to add umbral card for that

[north crater]

nah see that's loser mentality

you always need to push further beyond in art

or else you ain't gonna do jacksht

[summer geyser]

Ah

[north crater]

im also gonna add shading on the face cards

[summer geyser]

In that case i have been a loser for 9 months.

[hard plank]

hello

[north crater]

actually idk about shading

[hard plank]

i will add new jokers today

[north crater]

gradient is making it complicated

[summer geyser]

chicken jockey joker?

[hard plank]

i already added that?

[summer geyser]

Oh.

blows up

[digital jungle]

new jokers? in this economy?

[hard plank]

placeholder arts were there

[summer geyser]

I wanna redesign the tarot cards into the ones from Outcome Memories

[north crater]

@summer geyser what do you think ?

did i push forward too much ?

[hard plank]

new rarity

planned for joker with linked effect

[north crater]

"copies effect from ALL jokers"

[hard plank]

no that's boring

it's not difficult

[north crater]

"copies effect from ALL jokers and ALL playing cards"

[hard plank]

i don't like it

[north crater]

you're boring

[hard plank]

yeah

i made that rarity because the joker comes in pair

[hard plank]

ok so there is a sentiment against uncontrolled big numbers around here so

[north crater]

blah blah blah

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[quartz wasp]

I'm pretty happy with it

[hard plank]

😭

why are you doing this

[worn dagger]

Too op for uncommon

[north crater]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[quartz wasp]

i feel as though it's balanced by turning every blind into a boss blind but i could very well be wrong

[silent thistle]

tf

...

(the same fucking number)

[hard plank]

anyway

[woven orchid]

whats the issue
every number is 10000000000000000005250476025520442024870446851108159154915854115518024579889881957876371994508111903896764088007465274278014249579258788820056842838115669472196386865459400540160

[silent thistle]

what fucking number is that one?

[woven orchid]

all

[hard plank]

lily did you type all that

[woven orchid]

no numbers exist other than 10000000000000000005250476025520442024870446851108159154915854115518024579889881957876371994508111903896764088007465274278014249579258788820056842838115669472196386865459400540160

[woven orchid]

do you think im the type of person to NOT type all that

[wanton rapids]

that is the number

[woven orchid]

plus i kind of want to train my hand eye coordination with the number keys since i am a bit shit at typing lots of numbers without looking at my keyboard

[silent thistle]

I am a bit shit at using a keyboard like a normal person.

[woven orchid]

or i guess more like muscle memory

[silent thistle]

So you are ahead of me.

[woven orchid]

point is i want to be able to confidently type numbers without continuing to look down

[silent thistle]

👍

[hard plank]

also unseen played my mod earlier again

[woven orchid]

u must be famour

s

[worn dagger]

Oh

[hard plank]

he played math deck first

[worn dagger]

Nvm

[hard plank]

but it took too much brain power

[silent thistle]

aikoyori is uh... relatively famous, I believe.

top tier balatro modder

[quartz wasp]

im still very new to modding so i dont really know what is balanced or not, im just sort of feeling it out as I go along and trying to make stuff that is funny

[woven orchid]

im going to play borderlands in the hotpot vc in five minutes

[hard plank]

relatively big mod for 1 person ig idk

i will not be there

[silent thistle]

did I write the name right? I am 90% blind and stuff

[hard plank]

simply because I'm not at my room

[placid mango]

Hey! Is there a way to retain or transfer progress? Would like to know how to do it and if it's possible to do for my phone

[hard plank]

nope

i would do it if i could

[silent thistle]

[woven orchid]

uuhmmm errmmmmm what the soup

[placid mango]

Damn, I wish this had cross progression :(

[wanton rapids]

what the fluff

[hard plank]

notmario

colours for umbral cards when

[wanton rapids]

uh when i feel like it

[silent thistle]

fuck is that?

[hard plank]

😭

[hard plank]

I'm going to make new set of consumables if you don't

[wanton rapids]

oh?

[hard plank]

😡

[woven orchid]

make color cards

its just colour cards but there isn't a u in the name

[hard plank]

😭

i have like at least 2 consumable sets planned

[silent thistle]

Anyways, I'll return now to the catacombs that is the vast majority of unpopular mods™.

[hard plank]

actually 3

i guess i can say that one of them is scenario card

[woven orchid]

i wish i could do more with my consumables

superplanets are doable but the rest are kind of limited by what they are

[hard plank]

i mean my mod already has like

[woven orchid]

like,, the point of aesthetic cards is just to apply an edition
i would need to make more editions for non-soul ones to be added

[hard plank]

27 umbral cards

27 alphabet cards

[woven orchid]

or planetoids
theyre just planet cards but they scale over time

[hard plank]

11 "planet" cards

I'm stupid

I'm making it reach 100

[sleek granite]

superplanets are funny

but i kinda wonder how evil it would be to lock high powered stuff like that from big number mods behind a voucher

like i just have a voucher pair in thac that enables numberslop lmao

[hard plank]

scenario cards will affect the game environment in multiple ways

[woven orchid]

i added 3 new ones yesterday

2 of them are just ^chips / ^mult on None based on the levels of your other hands (5% spawn rate because it is very powerful)
but the other one is actually funnier

^1.9 chips & mult on all hands plus another ^1.9 for each kitty joker owned

[harsh glacier]

numberslop..... in my thac?????

[sleek granite]

yeah i think its just

exponentiating poker hands is really good

even if theyre not leveled

[woven orchid]

i was thinking about making poker hand stats decay for some other bonus thats more temporary

because similar to earning a lot of money it is ultimately not rewarding

superplanets are intended to be very good but they also make the game very boring if you meet their conditions

[sleek granite]

more like theres some mods i cross that i might need to put some barrier of entry on

[hard plank]

autumn I'm adding autumn in my mod

[woven orchid]

why not winter

[hard plank]

as in the season

[sleek granite]

at least like for the really cracked shit

[hard plank]

because they will all be there

as one of the scenarios

[woven orchid]

i have an idea

ponderous

[hard plank]

what

i am confusion

[quartz wasp]

Is this overpowered?

[spiral monolith]

my modpack is complete

[woven orchid]

making valk metaprog have temporary buffs to xp gain instead of just whole-run permanent buffs

[hard plank]

yes

[wanton rapids]

^mult that triggers more than once is usually quite strong

^chips more so

[hard plank]

actually depends on what you want you mod to do

[woven orchid]

specifically by giving buffs an additional table and destruction condition function so i can just easily add whatever i want

[hard plank]

on a scale of vanilla to mayhem where does your mod exist

[quartz wasp]

i want my mod to have funny and weird mechanics but not really be overpowered. naturally the balance of the game will be shifted by having new jokers since each new joker makes all of the other ones rarer. and im not really cut out to figure out how that changes things

[quartz wasp]

most of the jokers i've added so far are pretty tame i think so pretty close ot vanilla

[woven orchid]

^chips is insanely powerful no matter the value because x^y grows,, well,, exponentially with x
and chips is usually quite llarge to start out with

[hard plank]

more like paperback ig

but ^ is still powerful

[wanton rapids]

this is why hyperjimbo is so much stronger than hypercam

despite doing almost the exact same thing

[woven orchid]

i hate reworking entire systems but this will be a very good thing because of what it will let me do

[hard plank]

same

[quartz wasp]

i see. i'll probably change it to xChips since i don't want the mod to be too easy to break

[hard plank]

I'm redoing the word mechanics

redoing the dictionary

[quartz wasp]

at least, i'd like it to require some rare or legendary jokers or strong deck set-up to push into crazy territory

[harsh glacier]

i didn't even work on my mod today because my internet is dead

maybe tomorrow 🙏

[hard plank]

if played word is a palindrome x3 chips

X3

[harsh glacier]

aiko.....

[hard plank]

hi

[full edge]

quick before work joker art finished

[hard plank]

what is that thing in the hand

[wanton rapids]

some kind of knife (?)

[woven orchid]

how does one properly document a function

[full edge]

Yeah, a knife. Looks odd in the poster too

Though I should maybe commit to making it more obviously a knife, haha

[quartz wasp]

i was gonna say, this is pretty accurate to the weird knife he has in the poster

[wanton rapids]

what does the function do? what are the expected limits on inputs and outputs? etc.

[woven orchid]

sorry i mean like logistically

this LOOKS ass but it tells you all you need to know

[wanton rapids]

uh look at the smods lsp stuff

[full edge]

Yeah, no clue what this knife is about, haha. I'd have to rewatch the movie because I don't even remember a weird knife with sperm artwork being a thing

[wanton rapids]

i think it supports markdown (?)

[woven orchid]

ah

the lsp stuff
my favorite MISLEADING INFORMATION when i try to ctrl+click a function

[wanton rapids]

okay so you can provide types for stuff like this

apparently