#⚙・modding-general

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formal orchid
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bepis goated

wraith seal
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i wish

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anyways what would i even call this mod

tidal terrace
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The nodes system is almost the same so ui was smooth

Shader coding was confusing
Since there was no visual tools

wraith seal
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like, it adds extra effects to jokers so

tidal terrace
wraith seal
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its not rpg 😭

tidal terrace
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Add crit rate and damage

wraith seal
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ITS NOT RPG

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THATS YGGDRASIL 🥀

tidal terrace
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Add gacha rolling

plush hound
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struggling with shader
looking up yahimod since their shader is only red filter

tidal terrace
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Jk

wraith seal
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i already did

formal orchid
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gacha rolling everywhere

plush hound
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looks inside

harsh glacier
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i added gacha rolling in my mod

tidal terrace
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Who’s lexi

plush hound
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cryptid devs

tidal terrace
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I see

plush hound
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im holding lexi hostage

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not that saturated

wraith seal
tidal terrace
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I thought people coded the mod for yahi

wraith seal
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yahi can code by himself, if im not wrong

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most of the mod is made by him
-# i dont watch yahi that much so might be wrong

tidal terrace
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Look into cryptid’s code

plush hound
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i NEED

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shaders

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but

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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

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)(UHDWNKL"C}{O_+)I_(UHU#J GHTYDGUW*U()ICSOP{"

formal orchid
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cryptid's code is interesting

wraith seal
formal orchid
tidal terrace
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There are plenty of examples

plush hound
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im gonna

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fry a fish

tidal terrace
plush hound
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and use it to catch locc ness

formal orchid
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nice

wraith seal
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mod formerly known as almanac (aka polterwox)

harsh glacier
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look at his minecraft stuff

plush hound
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he modded MC before

tidal terrace
plush hound
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yeah

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he modded stuff

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especially Java

tidal terrace
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I should make my own library for modding in balatro

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That’s not what a library is

hard plank
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please

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not the books

harsh glacier
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aikoyori

hard plank
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not the books

tidal terrace
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?

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What’s wrong with the books

harsh glacier
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books are evil

hard plank
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I'm deathly scared of books

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i can't read

plush hound
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i got a book named babel

tidal terrace
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I blame the industrial revolution

tidal terrace
plush hound
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name your mod library to babel

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and its just

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Lua but every vars are

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different language

tidal terrace
full edge
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Why is every star wars poster a huddle of people? They're so difficult to translate

wraith seal
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aiko

wraith seal
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can u give me another name for my mod

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:3

full edge
wraith seal
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yeah, more of an API mod with the extra effects stuff

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i dont plan on updating it though

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its just, there for people to play around with it without bsr

full edge
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Ah, what kind of API stuff? The attack stuff and such?

tidal terrace
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Are we allowed to make a cryptid library?

full edge
wraith seal
tidal terrace
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That’s great

wraith seal
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ive been able to make some pretty cool effects like destruction prevention and scaling increase

full edge
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Idk the state of it, but it exists, yeah. I don't think anyone uses it, atm, but I might be wrong on that

wraith seal
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:3

full edge
wraith seal
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mhm

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actually, no clue what cryptid does

full edge
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How do you spot when a value is scaled?

wraith seal
wraith seal
full edge
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Also, for a name, how about BepisFever's Shenanigans?

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Or Bepis's stuff

wraith seal
wraith seal
oak kernel
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Bepis corner

wraith seal
# wraith seal

basically it checks with an old ability table to see which value changed

full edge
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Ah, interesting. How do you account for internal counters and such, or timing related variables?

wraith seal
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i have no clue how to deal with them ima be real

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sob

unborn plover
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Bepis's bepisful's jonklers

plush hound
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Diet Bepis

wraith seal
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its the general issue with these scaling effects, i think, id need to hardcode some stuff for the code to ignore

full edge
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Yeah, I think that's where Cryptid also runs into issues with it, iirc. You're not getting the accidental xmult issue?

wraith seal
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nope

wind token
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Hello everynyah

wraith seal
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whats that issue though

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hi flote

wind token
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I’m fine thank you

hard plank
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flote

wind token
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Hi

full edge
hard plank
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!!

wind token
wraith seal
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warioware?

wind token
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So close

full edge
# wraith seal whats that issue though

I don't understand the details of it, but apparently every joker has an xmult value, and in Cryptid's case, it's sometimes recognized as scaling, meaning it can all of a sudden give random jokers an xmult scoring ability

wraith seal
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sob

wind token
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Rhythm Heaven

wraith seal
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theres an internal xmult value in every joker

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but as long as its 1, its ignored

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i also have an effect that increases mult and chips given by a joker too :3 (not as complex)

full edge
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I think for this stuff, considering you're making the API, you could have the soft solution that's just hardcoding stuff, but then also offer a way for mods to interact with how you exclude or include values? It's not perfect, but if you make the API and offer standards to go with it, it'll at least work for mods made to be compatible with it

wraith seal
harsh glacier
# wraith seal

now the question is if this is gonna work with how i do scaling joker modifiers

wraith seal
wind token
tidal terrace
wraith seal
wind token
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I like this idea

wraith seal
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allat r about x2 chips/mult

wraith seal
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it checks for all tables in .ability

harsh glacier
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nonono i mean i use a metatable for my scaling modifier system

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i had to hook to pairs 😭

wraith seal
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o

hard plank
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haya

wind token
wraith seal
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i havent learnt about metatables yet :3

full edge
# wraith seal yeah i plan to do that, a bit annoying for other modders so i apologize......

I think there's just no way around that. But I also think that generally the reason that's an issue is because players expect all mods to be relatively compatible with another. If you have an effect that doesn't work on jokers from another mod, that's seen as confusing. But for some API stuff, it'd be better if the expectation was that you need mods to be compatible for it to work

oak kernel
sleek granite
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oh sorry

full edge
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I think I might set up my value manipulation stuff as an API mod too, and just make it easier to make jokers compatible with my standards that are needed for it to work, or add your own preferences to the testing, because I really don't want Cryptid's indescriminate approach to remain the default, haha

tidal terrace
# wind token

You can also draw it on top of all the screen , to add visuals , maybe a little fade in and out of a little red tinted shader

wind token
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That’s not a shader, I made it in a video editing software

wraith seal
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also i still need a name :3

harsh glacier
tidal terrace
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I sad you can add one

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For more visuals

wraith seal
wind token
hard plank
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what the hell is a meta table

wind token
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I’m assuming you mean why it got lighter

harsh glacier
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yeah

normal hollow
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i love meta knight

harsh glacier
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why does it disappear

grand geode
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what's a meat table

sleek granite
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truly compatible scaling modification would need something SMODS level

wind token
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I don’t know

sleek granite
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like probabilities did

harsh glacier
sleek granite
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yeah

harsh glacier
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that would be worse than just probabilities

wraith seal
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another approach i could take is just, remove it so that it wont conflict with anything

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;3

sleek granite
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yeah

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i recommend not fucking with scaling if its something thats gonna be intrinsic to the mod

wraith seal
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or maybe an option you can turn on and off for potentially conflicting effects like this

sleek granite
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leave that for like cryptid crossmod

harsh glacier
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i added scaling modifiers for one fucking joker

sleek granite
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does it work?

harsh glacier
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the entirety of scale.lua is dedicated to one joker that has the effect

harsh glacier
sleek granite
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ok but does it work

harsh glacier
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yeah

sleek granite
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or does it "work"

tidal terrace
hard plank
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why did i read both differently out loud

sleek granite
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what joker is it anyway ill test it with my weird scaling stuff

wraith seal
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haya how do you check if a value isnt increasing time or smt like that

lunar sluice
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the best way to do scaling detection is to not do scaling detection

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and just dont care about when it doesnt work

tidal terrace
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That’s a horrible advice

sleek granite
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yeah i

am tempted to just like disable parts of cryptid i cba to support

lunar sluice
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like you would know any better

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i have tried to mess with this before

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theres no good way to do it

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theres no weird workarounds

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there is no good way to do it at all ever

wraith seal
sleek granite
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not unless you have the "i am john smods" stick and currently thats eremel

lunar sluice
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no

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even it being part of smods wouldnt be good

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it would fucking suck still

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because now all scaling jokers have to have 100 extra steps

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well not 100

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its probably not that hard

sleek granite
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yeah it would be ass

lunar sluice
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but something that is very simple becomes not simple

wraith seal
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but at the same time

there might be a scaling effect that genuinely uses the time, so ugh

normal hollow
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we should remove scaling jokers

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you get what you bought in the shop

wanton rapids
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we should remove jokers

sleek granite
dreamy abyss
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notmario

lunar sluice
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the only real solution to scaling detection is it being part of smods but thats still a bad solution

wanton rapids
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missingnumber

lunar sluice
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for multiple reasons

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anything you can cook up yourself outside of smods will be bad guaranteed

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and it wont work flawlessly

wraith seal
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the general solution would be to make people put scaling values in another table in ability

lunar sluice
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i think

wraith seal
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its easy, but annoying

lunar sluice
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making people declare scaling values would probably be best but how do you do that neatly

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moving them to another table is bad because its not flexible for little benefit

dreamy abyss
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notmario should i draw more jokers or curl up in bed and continue wallowing in despair (while a fortune street gameplay video is playing)

lunar sluice
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and also

sleek granite
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fortune street is so good

lunar sluice
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how do you know whats the scaling value and whats the scaling base

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which is important

normal hollow
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two tables

wraith seal
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scaling base shouldnt be too hard to find since you can just reduce the new value by the old one

lunar sluice
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almost all scaling detection needs to know how much it scaled by and some of it probably wants to access the base value

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okay but what if you want to do stuff with the actual value

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and not just how much it changed by

wraith seal
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only really an issue if its a + to scaling and not a x

lunar sluice
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and yes

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theres that

hard plank
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where did notmario go

dreamy abyss
lunar sluice
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people can do all numbers of wacky shit with scaling

sleek granite
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like probabilities wow its almost like i was at this part of the conversation already

lunar sluice
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just naively using the difference will break more than just not doing that

dreamy abyss
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actually should i draw a suit yourself card just because

sleek granite
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thats

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amazingm????

full edge
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The entire issue with it is just that it needs detection, honestly. No way around that. Best way to mess with it would be for an API to just say 'if you want to be compatible with this, you need it to program it in a specific way so I can handle it, I'm not going to be the edgecase solver'

lunar sluice
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performance is the main drawback

full edge
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Because there's also just general issues with storing and checking tables constantly

lunar sluice
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it might be unfortunate but its probably better not as a context

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because of this

dreamy abyss
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us: fortune street
eu/aus: boom street
jpn: itadaki street ("top street"???)

lunar sluice
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and just some function you hook into

dreamy abyss
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announce a new itadaki street game already you cowards

normal hollow
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if you ever "scale" or "modify" or "forcetrigger" my joker im sending you to jail

sleek granite
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ok forcetriggers are cool tho

wraith seal
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ok maybe i will just, have the effects in my api mod as universal as possible

full edge
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That'd be my approach. Make scaling some function, or make it so jokers that are expected to be compatible have a 'scaling modifier' value that they always use, which is specifically targetted

wraith seal
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like literally no chances of conflicting whatsoever unless you fuck up something

hard plank
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ok i find quantum enhancement kind niche

wraith seal
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true

lunar sluice
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id have scaling detection be optional
make some function which passes in the card, the scaling value, the scaling base value and probablysome other shit

harsh glacier
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i don't care about universal compat this is why my mod crashes all the time

sleek granite
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it would be better if it wasnt So Laggy

lunar sluice
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it would be nice to be able to modify the scaling values by having ref_table shit but that seems messy

sleek granite
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i think i might permanently remove the quantum enhancement stuff in thac

lunar sluice
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by modify i mean actually modify the card

normal hollow
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i still dont understand why they are a context instead of hooking get_enhancements

sleek granite
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bc
its so bad

wraith seal
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the destruction prevention effect might be a bit less universal

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but idk?

harsh glacier
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like????? its basically called everywhere

full edge
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my assumption would be timing related things?

harsh glacier
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doing a context check almost everytime is a fucking terrible idea

full edge
lunar sluice
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you really want to avoid contexts as much as you can for stuff that runs all the time

sleek granite
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doing 52 context checks every time you do a context check

hard plank
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i kinda don't get why probability modification is a context

lunar sluice
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because contexts are just automatically pretty laggy

wraith seal
normal hollow
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you can do timing related things in a hook, it is less intuitive and a bit less newbie friendly but that's better than lag

wraith seal
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the effect itself is actually pretty synergetic, it works with invisible joker and egg and stuff

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so it does open up some pretty nice combos

normal hollow
wraith seal
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.

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oh fuck i forgot to addd autumn's suggestion

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daglmadgd

lunar sluice
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probabilities are basically only called when the chance is rolled and you hover over the card

wraith seal
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i hate myself

lunar sluice
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so yeah that one is not that intensive

hard plank
normal hollow
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i have a hook for both functions lol

lunar sluice
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i had to hook it too because of stuff being weird

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like d1

normal hollow
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to do permanent probabilities

hard plank
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i have one to modify chances permanently

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yeah

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at least it's clean

full edge
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I think my general issue with quantum enhancements is also more that it's one of the few features in SMODS that's implying design choices. Plenty of Kino enhancements would work really weirdly or just not make sense if quantum enhancements exist. It only makes sense for enhancement designs that are very in line with vanilla, and don't have any scaling or other longer lasting effects

lunar sluice
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guaranteeing the first probability of the round was just being weird with the contexts

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definitely a timing issue

frigid mica
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I’m thinking about what character I should turn into a joker, I already got the gimmick but not the character.

normal hollow
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oh yeah i also have one for guaranteeing probability

hard plank
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you know hooking that function is probably not that hard

frigid mica
full edge
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meepo from dota, or whatever his name is

lunar sluice
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but yeah if scaling detection ever happens it should probably be optional, and probably be a function

full edge
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or spider-man from the 90s

hard plank
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fuckin idk

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uhhhhh

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Illusioner from Minecraft

wraith seal
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can i get a name suggestion for the mod please ;3

lunar sluice
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having ref_value and ref_table for the base and the value would be nice since that way you can actually mess with the cards values itself rather than just the result

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but it seems messy

hard plank
lunar sluice
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and idk a better solution

wraith seal
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extra effects on jokers

wanton rapids
lunar sluice
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you would need like 5 parameters for this

wanton rapids
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+4 Joker

normal hollow
wanton rapids
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++4 Mult

hard plank
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Foundation

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idk

wraith seal
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im taking N' suggestion, armory sounds cool

full edge
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Technical Machine

frigid mica
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Creates a negative clone of the rightmost joker if a boss blind is defeated.

wraith seal
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gregtech

hard plank
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"Stacked"

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wtf am i cooking

normal hollow
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#Stacked

lunar sluice
wraith seal
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by default im probably limiting a joker to only having 2 extra effects maximum

frigid mica
lunar sluice
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but some things youd want to do with this

wraith seal
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because the description would be incredibly long, which bsr was supposed to handle

lunar sluice
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you cant unless you can change the card itself

hard plank
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i kinda like stacked

frigid mica
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I’m thinking… maybe Maxwell from Scribblenauts I guess?

wanton rapids
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maxwell doesnt clone himself though

wraith seal
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mmm armory and stacked

frigid mica
hard plank
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Maxwell can create a clone but isn't known for cloning

full edge
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I think there's just kind of a limit to what features can be generalized to work for any other mod, just with how the base game works. Main issue there is honestly communicating to players regarding how certain features will not work outside of specific scopes. Scaling manipulation, value manipulation with any nuance, quantum ranks, etc.

lunar sluice
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i think in terms of quantum enhancements

frigid mica
lunar sluice
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even though it only works with some types of design

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it should just

wraith seal
lunar sluice
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exist anyway

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because then people dont have to do weird janky implementations of it that break stuff

frigid mica
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I’m just looking for characters that fit the mold of the joker ability.

hard plank
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bro spawns shit out of nowhere

lunar sluice
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i think smods can get away with a little things only working with some types of design if it means that things are less likely to just break randomly

hard plank
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i think that's magic

frigid mica
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If it’s not Maxwell, then who else fits the joker ability?

normal hollow
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naruto

wanton rapids
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why do you need specifically someone who clones themselves

frigid mica
harsh glacier
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joker that scales the more copies you have of it

hard plank
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i guess it's effect → theming

frigid mica
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Yea

harsh glacier
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aikoyori

grand geode
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mfkaa syndrome

frigid mica
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Spinel can stretch her limbs, so I made her able to stockpile xmult on each card.

wanton rapids
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bottom up design can work i guess

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as opposed to top down design

hard plank
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myst

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high card letter deck

full edge
# full edge yeah, that's entirely fair

Lot of my complaints there would be solved, too, if the point is ever reached where players don't assume you can just throw 40 mods together and all their mechanics flawlessly interact, haha

wraith seal
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how does "Retrigger this joker once for (5-10) rounds" sound for an effect

lunar sluice
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effect -> theming is not something i generally advise but it can work

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sometimes it just

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makes the theming really out of place

wraith seal
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is it too numberslop

lunar sluice
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its fine

wanton rapids
wraith seal
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basically any joker, yeah

wanton rapids
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that's probably fine

frigid mica
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ENA from Dream BBQ is a salesman so I made sure you can buy a random voucher for free and gain interest.

full edge
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I've done effect > theming so often. Just kickstart some movie production into high gear, haha

wanton rapids
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that feels. very off. theming wise

hard plank
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can someone define numberslop

lunar sluice
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i think generally

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its numberslop if its too easy to get 1 or more e

full edge
wanton rapids
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anything >= 10000000000

grand geode
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lobcorp forces me to do theming > effect

lunar sluice
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i think getting into the e range is not that bad if you have a wacky setup

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but if its really easy to get there

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then youre doing something wrong

normal hollow
wanton rapids
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well yeah obviously there should be payoffs for good engines

wraith seal
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microsoft edge....

wanton rapids
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i feel like numberslop generally just comes from misunderstanding balatro as a game

frigid mica
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I don’t just make jokers op for no reason, their joker abilities have to have some sort of reason behind them.

lunar sluice
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yeah pretty much

wraith seal
lunar sluice
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a lot of people want to make balatro into cookie clicker except even cookie clicker keeps the numbers relatively low until the endgame

wraith seal
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most "numberslop" mods are just, "hey this joker retriggers 100 times/hey this joker gives ^^^^5 mult"

frigid mica
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So their joker abilities are tied to their canon abilities.

sleek granite
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i have a joker that retriggers 100 times
-# if you have 100 empty consumable slots

frigid mica
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Noisette retriggering the rightmost joker is based off of the lap portal from Pizza Tower.

full edge
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Multiple Man, my favorite X-Men, all about cloning

lunar sluice
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i have a joker that triggers 100 times if you sell 100 consumables

normal hollow
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i have no jokers that retrigger im not activating any optional features

wanton rapids
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i have a joker that retriggers 100 times if you break 200 brass cards

wraith seal
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you can "easily" reach naneinf in joyousspring but you also need some insane knowledge about what each joker does and its synergies, which i think makes it much more worth it

hard plank
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if it takes effort to get super big numbers is it a numberslop

grand geode
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i do not have joker retrigs too sloppy

full edge
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I have a joker that retriggers a 100 times if you have e157 dollars, I think

wanton rapids
lunar sluice
lunar sluice
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generally no

wraith seal
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same

lunar sluice
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but if you can get more than 1 e at all even with effort

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then yes

frigid mica
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Minos Prime is a Prime Soul, so I made sure you can get the soul spectral card from any discard.

lunar sluice
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well no

wanton rapids
lunar sluice
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cause vanilla can get more than 1 e

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so i guess more than 2 is probably better

sleek granite
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i have joker retriggers but i usually just have jokers retrigger themselves... theres like i think 2 (kinda 3 but not Really) other-joker-retriggers

lunar sluice
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i dont think i have any retrigger jokers that arent crossmod

frigid mica
lunar sluice
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broadcast is just copying

full edge
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Everyone should replace all forms of joker retriggers with Retrigger counters, tbh

sleek granite
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my biggest use of retriggering jokers is probably sock_and_buskin

wanton rapids
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"once per ante, if this joker is in the rightmost slot, -1 ante when boss blind is cleared. increases ante scaling by 1 when this triggered". quite verbose but oh well.

unborn plover
sleek granite
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which is just "retrigger this joker"

frigid mica
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I can’t make noise and Peppino because they’re already pwx’s jokers

harsh glacier
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i only have huh all 20s as my retrigger joker

wanton rapids
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there's your lap portal

lunar sluice
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actually wait no

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i have 1 retriggering joker

frigid mica
lunar sluice
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d7

full edge
grand geode
wanton rapids
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also yeah

woven orchid
lunar sluice
frigid mica
hard plank
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😭

lunar sluice
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no thats crossmod

dreamy abyss
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ok so since i cant be arsed ripping the texture for it myself using dolphin i think this is the best ref im gonna get
what do you think, is this a bad idea
should i just try to rip the actual card texture myself anyway so i have a better ref or what

wanton rapids
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i feel like the lap portal would probably be related to ante reduction if anything

grand geode
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I'm gonna take down paperback because they have the same thing from the ip I'm stealing from omg

hard plank
frigid mica
lunar sluice
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yes

dreamy abyss
lunar sluice
#

d7 might be too op tbh

frigid mica
# lunar sluice yes

So then by default, without cross mod, your fervor jokers are the most powerful jokers?

lunar sluice
#

yes

grand geode
#

ruby do you have more antinumberslop like chromatic

frigid mica
#

What’s your favorite fervor joker

lunar sluice
#

endless entropy was my main solution to that

sleek granite
#

am i numberslop

lunar sluice
#

by having a part of the blind that punishes unconditional scoring

#

but otherwise

#

not really

grand geode
#

ee is too hardcountery for my taste

lunar sluice
#

ee is interesting for sure

#

but i never get that late into endless

wanton rapids
harsh glacier
#

my mod originally had numberslop but its generally more toned down now due to ari tax

quartz wasp
#

Fantastic name for a Joker truthfully

sleek granite
#

tbh i dont even know if it works with anything other than vanilla blueprint / brainstorm :)

grand geode
#

ari tax is crazy

harsh glacier
#

most of my numberslop jokers are only really in cryptid now

frigid mica
#

Wait, so you can only beat nameless nadir if you have “= jokers”?

wanton rapids
#

just. don't score

frigid mica
#

Or like pure jokers

harsh glacier
#

or are prismatics which are generally memeic in nature anyway

wraith seal
lunar sluice
#

unles you turned entropy off

sleek granite
#

true i can test that alongside the paya one

frigid mica
wanton rapids
#

oh wait nameless nadir debuffs the leftmost slot

lunar sluice
#

yeah

wanton rapids
#

just dont run 73 morbillion jokers and youll be fine

sleek granite
#

i might make PDR just 1 retrigger

lunar sluice
#

just literally have 1 scoring joker

wanton rapids
#

well then its not doubled

lunar sluice
#

or

#

dont score that highly

sleek granite
wanton rapids
#

true

grand geode
#

don't vanilla builds usually have 4-5 scoring jokers

frigid mica
#

How does the last part work?

wraith seal
#

what the fuck 0% again??

lunar sluice
#

so yknow

frigid mica
#

Anytime you pick a card, the card itself gets destroyed

lunar sluice
#

theyd be fine

harsh glacier
#

how unlucky

grand geode
#

fair enough

frigid mica
#

And if played, they turn into umm

woven orchid
#

i do not like endless entropy because i love my hand levels and if i dont love my hand levels then i also love stacking xmult jokers,

sleek granite
lunar sluice
#

its really only bad to have multiple scoring jokers if your scoring jokers are absolutely insane

grand geode
#

i still don't know the context in which ee plays but shure

wanton rapids
harsh glacier
#

ante 32

lunar sluice
#

it just appears on ante 32

wraith seal
frigid mica
woven orchid
lunar sluice
#

none:

wanton rapids
#

none:

lunar sluice
#

none scales so fuckin slowly

frigid mica
#

One of them is supposed to be able to disable boss blinds.

wanton rapids
#

is none a secret hand if it's unlocked

frigid mica
#

And they can level up all hands by x2 for each played flush

harsh glacier
#

chicot 2

lunar sluice
hard plank
#

cannot be disabled:

lunar sluice
#

but you can always just play it

#

chicot.....

sleek granite
#

chicot 2
disables aikoyori's shenanigans blind modifiers

grand geode
#

yknow it's unsloppable if you remove every card and deck from the game

harsh glacier
#

only one of my boss blinds cannot be disabled and its sweet sleep on ante 39

sleek granite
#

i kinda wanna

harsh glacier
#

it would defeat the purpose of playing naneinf 10 times

sleek granite
#

see this mythical high ante

#

of 20

lunar sluice
#

i think people care too much about slop because almost all mods dont even need to worry about getting that bad

frigid mica
#

I feel like dark Donald is a liability if I reach ante 32.

lunar sluice
#

psychic double reacharound isnt slop because its just slightly too powerful instead of being way too powerful

wanton rapids
#

true...

sleek granite
#

yeah i was being facetious

grand geode
wanton rapids
#

morefluff was numberslop while it had John Balatro....

lunar sluice
#

i mean like

grand geode
#

COUGH COUGH TANGENTS

lunar sluice
#

in terms of your own mod

grand geode
#

self contained yeah i don't have to worry about slop

sleek granite
#

psychic double reacharound actually fucking sucks tbh

lunar sluice
#

its weird because its like

#

way more niche than most niche effect jokers

frigid mica
#

What kind of joker do I really wanna make next? I said I was gonna make a Nicole Watterson joker but their ability of doubling self’s sell cost for each retrigger doesn’t quite work with their theme.

sleek granite
#

but that niche is a thing that you almost always want to be doing

lunar sluice
#

yeah that too

hard plank
#

welcome back to slop live

lunar sluice
#

its really hard to activate but you always want to activate it

sleek granite
#

just whether or not you CAN

lunar sluice
#

so its just idk a bit strange

harsh glacier
#

i have a few niche effect jokers

lunar sluice
#

oh i have so many effect jokers

#

effect jokers are awesome

frigid mica
#

I wanna make a 13th joker but I have to base it off of a character

lunar sluice
#

antiderivative is peak

harsh glacier
#

king halo retriggers unscored played cards which most of the time do absolutely nothing

#

unless its volatile

lunar sluice
#

antiderivative switches suits and ranks

sleek granite
#

fuck yeah i love retriggering unscored cards

grand geode
#

i should make unscored synergy actually

lunar sluice
#

i should like

#

also do unscoring synergy

woven orchid
#

i love unscoring cards

hard plank
#

i was trying to make adofai level but I'm stupid

sleek granite
#

i fucking love not scoring cards

woven orchid
#

nooo stop being stupid aikoyori

grand geode
#

i have an abno that forces unscoring cards already

sleek granite
#

(it almost makes high card interesting)

woven orchid
#

im going to try playing hyperalphabetical deck

wanton rapids
#

what are the requirements for derivative and antiderivative

lunar sluice
#

high card is boring but only if you go into endless

hard plank
#

lily update my mod i fixed a softlock

wanton rapids
#

actually i can just have a look

woven orchid
#

in 10

lunar sluice
#

derivative is just 5 cards with non standard ranks or suits

frigid mica
#

“Creates a random consumable for every unscored card”

wanton rapids
#

oh that's silly

lunar sluice
#

they are usually hard to find

#

so thats why the stats are so high

wanton rapids
#

playing a derivative with antiderivative should make a None

lunar sluice
#

with other mods it kinds breaks down a little

wanton rapids
#

secondary unlock method

lunar sluice
#

true

harsh glacier
frigid mica
#

Oh wait no

harsh glacier
#

which count as both scored and unscored

wraith seal
#

the effect expires now

frigid mica
#

Creates a negative consumable if card is unscoring

#

But

woven orchid
#

help guys my hand has numberslop

wanton rapids
#

what the fluff...

lunar sluice
#

X3 mult if you have more unscored cards than your current hands level

sleek granite
grand geode
#

Plays all cards held in hand as unscored cards

frigid mica
#

Multiplies obtained consumables by x2 for each unscoring card in hand.

wanton rapids
#

can you make it so spelling "NoMoreMult" installs NoMoreMult

woven orchid
#

actually i thinks im going to change hyperalphabetical deck

frigid mica
#

Resets after hand is finished scoring.

grand geode
#

can you make it so spelling cryptid kills you

hard plank
#

i should actually make a dyslexic mode

wanton rapids
#

can you make it so spelling plusfourmult gives you +4 mult

hard plank
#

so people with dyslexia can play a bit better

lunar sluice
#

can you make it so spelling a deck applies the effects of the deck

woven orchid
#

im just going to disable the shop

grand geode
#

can you make it so spelling allisbaba

woven orchid
#

but give +8 hand size

hard plank
#

my text might be a bit hard to read

woven orchid
#

so u can spell easier

frigid mica
#

Or is getting any consumable from each unscoring card is already broken?

grand geode
#

i'm still thinking of making actual usable alphabet jokers

sleek granite
grand geode
#

because theyre like aiko's neglected children

sleek granite
#

i should not assume i know what the placeholder art things are

grand geode
#

manhattan cafe spell......

normal hollow
#

horse

sleek granite
#

fuckin horse names

woven orchid
#

what the fream

#

holy description

frigid mica
sleek granite
#

(also peak art 🔥)

grand geode
#

the shop does not exist

harsh glacier
#

i love ari

normal hollow
grand geode
#

like the limit does not exist

#

like adofai

frigid mica
hard plank
#

it go

frigid mica
wraith seal
woven orchid
#

time to make the game skip the shop

sleek granite
wraith seal
#

i know

sleek granite
#

PLEASE DO NOT IMPLY I AM STEALING ART

hard plank
#

I'm sorry alphabet cards for neglecting you

frigid mica
#

God I have so many joker ideas

wraith seal
#

0% again fml

grand geode
#

@tall vortex eats your art cutely

frigid mica
#

But I could never match them with any character

grand geode
#

especially golshi

normal hollow
#

golshi's art is really good

woven orchid
#

wtf aiko you already did shop skipping?

hard plank
#

myst do i have to do art for lobcorp now that you are thinking about making alphabet cards

frigid mica
#

Retrigger all played cards and jokers once, then gain x2 sell value for each retrigger.

hard plank
grand geode
#

uhmm

woven orchid
hard plank
#

yeah by all means

frigid mica
#

Create a random negative consumable for each unscoring card.

woven orchid
#

was planning on making my own implementation but if you already made it and left it in the code i might as well
its crossmod anyway

frigid mica
#

Create a negative clone of the rightmost joker after beating a boss blind.

grand geode
#

i need to rework some of my common jokers omn

sleek granite
#

alright psychic double reacharound does not work with fuckin anything

grand geode
#

what the fuck is retrigger first played card 2 to 5 times

harsh glacier
#

😭

grand geode
#

💀

sleek granite
#

tempted to take it out back

frigid mica
harsh glacier
sleek granite
#

kinda dont care enough to figure out how to detect modded copy jokers

harsh glacier
#

i guess you can log context.blueprint_card but like

#

timing

woven orchid
sleek granite
#

so you see

woven orchid
#

what a descriptio,n,

harsh glacier
hard plank
harsh glacier
#

😭

sleek granite
#

yeah lmao

solar sandal
woven orchid
sweet bramble
frigid mica
#

What if I made a joker that lets you create a card of your own choice without any restrictions if you sell a fantastic joker?

harsh glacier
#

any card of your choice

#

or jokers only

frigid mica
#

Did I stutter

grand geode
#

+4 MULT AT ALL COSTS

solemn mason
#

Assistance, please.

frigid mica
hard plank
wraith seal
#

mm

sleek granite
#

you think that isn't something i could just do myself

wraith seal
#

time to scroll up and see the poll results

woven orchid
#

aikoyori is there a chance you could make letters sort alphabetically overall rather than capitalized alphabetically then lowercase alphabetically

hard plank
#

were you in game

#

or was it just starting

woven orchid
#

do i get a cookie

solemn mason
#

Kind of? It "started," then didn't.

hard plank
wraith seal
#

stacked it is

harsh glacier
#

you know who else is stacked

frigid mica
#

Gain +1 chip and +1 mult for every scored card, this will be a rare joker.

sleek granite
grand geode
#

why do capitalized letters exist gameplaywise

hard plank
wraith seal
#

sorry n' :3

hard plank
woven orchid
harsh glacier
sleek granite
#

how do
modded copy jokers even work

grand geode
#

carefully

harsh glacier
#

SMODS.blueprint_effect

hard plank
#

for example a joker that gives you chips if you capitalise first letter

frigid mica
sleek granite
#

hm

sleek granite
#

maybe i can do something here

hard plank
#

I'll do that when i get back to coding

#

alright?

#

I'm having dinner

sleek granite
#

if its just one function to hook

tall vortex
woven orchid
harsh glacier
#

hi ari

#

when are you doing art again

hard plank
#

ari can you make some cross mod umbral cards

grand geode
#

hi ari

hard plank
#

not the KFC

harsh glacier
#

why does kfc keep getting brought up anyway

frigid mica
#

If you want, it can instead be “gain chips and mult by x2 (not xchips or xmult) for each scored card, resets if blind is defeated”

harsh glacier
#

i don't even like kfc

hard plank
#

i was going to KFC when theunseenexplosion was live

#

playing my mod

harsh glacier
#

when are big streamers gonna play my mod

solemn mason
hard plank
frigid mica
grand geode
#

when are big streamers gonna play my mod

sweet bramble
#

trust in the wheel of mods

hard plank
sleek granite
#

surely this will not cause any problems ever

grand geode
#

i don't trust murphy to not fumble lobcorp but it'd be funny as shit

frigid mica
#

I’m thinking about adding specific streamers as rare jokers

#

Not exotic like pwx jokers

sleek granite
#

wait shit how do i set it to false tho

hard plank
grand geode
#

i know

hard plank
#

i mean

harsh glacier
#

thunk tank

hard plank
#

does that make for better content

grand geode
#

and my mod is reading heavy

harsh glacier
#

my mod has words

#

actually no

#

that's aikos

formal orchid
#

my mod exists

frigid mica
#

What kind of rare joker would roffle be

harsh glacier
#

roffle spawns 2 hanging chads and 2 photographs

hard plank
woven orchid
hard plank
#

streamers get cooked by thinking

warm shard
#

how do I mod Balatro to add new jokers

frigid mica
frigid mica
sweet bramble
warm shard
sweet bramble
hard plank
#

pi cubed

#

i should add achievements

hard plank
#

for my mod

grand geode
#

would it be mean to force murphy to fight a superboss

sweet bramble
frigid mica
#

What about Murphy?

sweet bramble
#

photochad's too easy

sweet bramble
woven orchid
#

oh yes this joker has a sprite now

sleek granite
#

i got cooked (i am in an oven)

woven orchid
#

are you ok

grand geode
#

gay rambling,,,

sleek granite
#

the ac is on and my favorite music is playing

woven orchid
frigid mica
#

And then yahiamice would either switch chips and mult or give +3 shop slots and increase chances of negative jokers by 75%

sleek granite
#

i am going to attempt something
mf

dreamy abyss
#

...so this is the raw texture. really.
ohhhh boy im gonna have fun spriting this

sleek granite
#

oooo.......

solemn mason
#

I'm a bit of a layman who doesn't understand software, so I deleted Hit instead. It still crashed.

hard plank
#

hmmm

frigid mica
#

What’s hit?

hard plank
solemn mason
hard plank
#

that and do what i am going to say

#

you go to the mods folder then lovely then underscores (_) then src then upload utils.lua to here

frigid mica
#

What kind of stuff does paperback have

hard plank
#

2 new suits

unborn plover
#

oh yeah, now this works perfectly

hard plank
#

can you name it Scientiful instead lmao

solemn mason
#

No underscore. Only dump and logs. Most I can do is get that copy-pasted.

hard plank
#

i forgot to say that

#

there should be a _ in there

unborn plover
solemn mason
frigid mica
#

Should I actually try to make the original version of the spinel joker?

solemn mason
#

The whole thing? It's a lot.

#

Once it loads.

frigid mica
#

Or is my new spinel joker already perfect?

#

The new one gives x6 mult per played 4 aces or faces, stockpiles xmult on played hand, gains extra stockpiling power upon selecting a boss blind. It also levels up high card by 6 levels if you play it to prevent it from not stockpiling.

hard plank
#

does it say smods in there

solemn mason
#

Yes. It's slow, but the game is loading. Should have that in a minute.

frigid mica
#

I think I could beat nameless nadir if i have atomikos

hard plank
#

Balatro\Mods\lovely\dump\SMODS\_\src\utils.lua

#

there

frigid mica
#

Because it apparently deletes poker hands and scales high card.

#

Wait, I haven’t even tried atomikos by itself.

solemn mason
#

So I see that, and will paste all of that in a minute, but what's this about uploading it?

woven orchid
#

is someone here good with joker ideas, im geeked

lunar sluice
#

hello

solemn mason
woven orchid
#

i have no idea what to do with them

lunar sluice
#

what are the 3 jokers that valk adds

sleek granite
#

what is an energia

lunar sluice
#

cryptid joker

#

it copies obtained tags

woven orchid
lunar sluice
#
  1. When a booster pack is skipped create 1 The Fool, when The Fool is used create 1 Charm Tag. increases by 1 when a blind/boss-blind is defeated
sleek granite
#

hey hexed spirit how come lily lets you have two tags

woven orchid
#

it special

#

also no consumable works like the fool does for spectrals and i didnt want to make one

#

im ok with it being objectively better

sleek granite
#

sixsuits crossmod:

#

(this is a joke)

lunar sluice
#
  1. Create 1 Meteor tag whenever you level up your least played hand. Increases by 1 when least played hand is played
sleek granite
#

i still love how sixsuits just
has The Fool?

woven orchid
#

interesting,

solemn mason
#

Pasted.

hard plank
#

as in upload it here

lunar sluice
#
  1. Booster pack tags are replaced by Ethereal tags, Create 1 Random tag when entering a blind. Increase by 1 when a blind is defeated
wraith seal
#

mmm

#

i think stacked is ready for release

sleek granite
#

bepis

wraith seal
#

autumn

woven orchid
#

i may mildly adapt the 1st and 2nd but thank you rubyy ive had these on my todo list for weeks

sleek granite
#

that was literally the thing i was going to ask lmao

wraith seal
#

😭

lunar sluice
#

im so good at coming up with ideas trust

wraith seal
#

also, how rare should naturally spawned effects on jokers be

solemn mason
sleek granite
#

can jokers spawn with only 1 bonus effect?

solemn mason
sleek granite
#

id say like 20% maybe

wraith seal
#

each empty effect slot runs that chance

#

so it can potentially have 2

sleek granite
#

the fuck is an effect slot

wraith seal
#

:3

#

jokers can have 2 extra effects on maximum, like i said before, right

sleek granite
#

oh i
missed that

hard plank
sleek granite
#

is this modifyable perhaps with a Voucher

wraith seal
#

mhm

sleek granite
#

this feels very Voucher design space

#

awesome

wraith seal
#

nxkoo is dead

plush hound
#

misclick

wraith seal
#

dead person tryna act alive 😭💔🥀

sleek granite
#

the chance of a effect could also be cool to change at runtime in a Voucher like manner

woven orchid
#

oops i lied to myself

wraith seal
#

so 20% it is then :3

woven orchid
#

i dont have 3 exotics to implement i have 6

lunar sluice
#

oops....

wraith seal
#

vouchers and stuff, you guys can do that ❤️
-# because im not good at art and id rather not have placeholder

woven orchid
#

i guess this is one way to hit 100 jokers after all the removals of The Big Fucking Balance Update

solemn mason
lunar sluice
#

i think im at 100 now if you include crossmod

sleek granite
woven orchid
#

considering just

#

spending 2 or 3 hours learning shaders and trying my hand

#

i said valk wouldnt have editions but like theyre so fun

hard plank
wraith seal
#

wtf is aikoshit

woven orchid
#

haid..?

harsh glacier
#

aikoSHIT

sleek granite
#

Haid

hard plank
#

the evil mod

harsh glacier
#

my mod has about 100 jokers rn not counting cross mod

frigid mica
#

How do you copy that one video where you can create a straight using only 3 cards

sleek granite
#

Placeholder Grey colour card.....

harsh glacier
#

i need to update my revo's vault cross mod

lunar sluice
#

without crossmod im at 69 jokers

trail berry
#

nice

oak kernel
lunar sluice
#

straight up ascending it right now and by it lets just say heh my tags

woven orchid
#

ruby i have to ask

#

do you remember all necessary parameters for smods.consumable/joker off the top of your head

lunar sluice
#

no i just copy paste shit

solemn mason
#

Mine's breaking, but I think I have about 5-600 jokers.

woven orchid
#

thank god

lunar sluice
#

i do have event queue stuff memorised though

#

so maybe ill memorise that soon too

woven orchid
#

it appears the layers are slightly wrong

lunar sluice
#

its possible but you ned a mod which stacks something with four fingers

woven orchid
#

instead of the midlayer having the 2nd chevrons its the soul layer that has them

sharp wagon
#

guys idk if this has anything to do with anything but when i had the balatro mod manager i couldnt launch up rainbow six siege and now that i deleted it it works, anyone has ideas how this works

woven orchid
#

what

frigid mica
woven orchid
#

well i like to call them that but i think that is not an official name

sharp wagon
woven orchid
#

thats your right

#

im just confused because wtf kinda issue is that 🥀😭

sharp wagon
#

BUT IT FINDS THE MOD MANAGER

#

AS A

#

CHEAT??

woven orchid
#

oh

#

that makes more sense but still a bit silly

sharp wagon
#

damn t

frigid mica
#

I feel like if I made jokers of any custom rarity, they’re always bound to work with canvas.

solemn mason
#

The apparently new error:

woven orchid
#

now that looks correct

solemn mason
#

Aikoyori.

woven orchid
#

malicious and evil aikoyori summoning

frigid mica
#

Why does cryptid have only Violence layer jokers and flesh panopticon and not other ultrakill jokers

#

Missed opportunity to create swordsmachine joker

solemn mason
hard plank
wraith seal
plush hound
#

said they dont want more ultrakill jokers

wraith seal
#

it spawns naturally now

#

nice

woven orchid
#

curious, how do yall handle plurality in joker descriptions

#

in the past ive just ignored being grammatically incorrect but idk
this joker scales so it will be either tag or tags and idk if i want to manually implement it

#

or just do (s)

sweet bramble
# solemn mason The apparently new error:

this is most likely a mod having problems loading a deck, if i had to guess it's due to Too Many Decks. make sure all the mods you've used have been updated recently

plush hound
#

suits_plurals

#

suits_singular

solemn mason
#

They have been updated.

plush hound
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the jokerforge arc begin

wraith seal
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we are cooked

plush hound
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MIKE

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delete my VSC

hard plank
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we are cooked,

sweet bramble
fallow bramble
plush hound
wraith seal
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god those are so ass... 🥀

quartz wasp
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As I'm getting into modding, are there any sort of tricks or best practices that anyone would recommend? I'm trying to learn from other mods and the SMODS documentation but I'm sure there are probably some things that are wise but unmentioned.

wraith seal
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organize your mod into different files

plush hound
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but jesus christ

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the shop is oversaturated

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with them

quartz wasp
fallow bramble
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Fuck doing any effort, forgeslop all the way

sleek granite
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all jokers should have jokers

plush hound
#

MIKE

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delete my LSPs

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delete my VSC

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we're going to JokerForge

sleek granite
#

unlimited jokers but no jokers

wraith seal
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you can use for loops to make things faster, like

for i = 1,15 do
  SMODS.Atlas{
    key = "hi"..i,
    path = "hi"..i..".png",
    ...
  }
end
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yes this is somewhat directed to a CERTAIN someone here

fallow bramble
#

Nxkoo at least puts the minimal of efforts into their mod

sleek granite
plush hound
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i TRIED

wraith seal
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id rather have a shortage of mods but all of them have noticeable effort than a ton of mods but most of them are bad

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sob

normal hollow
# plush hound thanks bepis

i wanted to use your joker as an example for blueprinting 2 jokers but folder names blocked access for them because of parental protection lmao

quartz wasp
plush hound
#

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

wraith seal
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lmaoooo

plush hound
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😭

wraith seal
trail berry
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the jokerforge era is here

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no more quality mods pump out more forgeslop

wraith seal
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the thing is people who completely rely on jokerforge wont be able to achieve any other effects outside of the existing effects in the website

quartz wasp
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I'm mostly a Python and C+ gamer so Lua was new ground for me but I'm starting to get it

fallow bramble
wraith seal
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i get its super friendly for beginners, but i dont think people should completely rely on that to make their mods

or at least put some more effort into it to back up for the lack of unique effects, like good art or something

sleek granite
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BUT I WANNA BREAK THE GAME