⚙・modding-general

[deft ore]

theres like two rudinn variants unless you want to do (ch3 egg spoilers) ||seven flying aces||

[wind token]

im doing diamond

he looks like a spade

[deft ore]

rudinn does? rlly?

[wind token]

to me

[distant badge]

:(

[tall yew]

i honestly cant tell if this is a shitpost or just modded balatro lmao

[nova elm]

i got all the antropic jokers and the one that gives tag got me like 200 tags

[deft ore]

most normal cryptid run

[nova elm]

now its all 300 cards packs

and my computer cant handle it

[tall yew]

currently faced with this

[nova elm]

what is thatin the middle

[gray schooner]

ive gotten this far on blank deck

[nova elm]

how u got jens almanac bro?

[gray schooner]

some people have it, but jen asked people not to share the files

[nova elm]

ooohhhh

ok

[tall yew]

yea i still got a older version when it was still called the almanac and a part of the cryptid discord

i think its updated a little after jen made their own server

[distant badge]

i found an old-calc version i think lol

(in my files, which will not be shared anywhere)

literally 11 months old

[nova elm]

my pc crashed

opening a 2 thousand card buffon pack

goated

[gray schooner]

i wonder why

[tall yew]

for me balatro dies before my pc

[full edge]

Reworked the Hans Gruber bossblind, now that I have this counter tech

[nova elm]

dont know man

[umbral pilot]

I die when I open balatro

also how do I install mods

[full edge]

find a usb at library

[nova elm]

my balatro never died

[gray schooner]

find some yt videos for it

[full edge]

insert it into pc

click ignore on firewall

[umbral pilot]

yt is blocked on my wifi

[tall yew]

huh

[nova elm]

at this point its ur fault man

[umbral pilot]

I need lovely right?

[gray schooner]

and steam modded

[umbral pilot]

I already have steam installed

[solar sandal]

meow

[distant badge]

do you have microsoft word installed

[umbral pilot]

I have powerpoint

[nova elm]

guys if i delete the lovely my save will go back to vanilla?

[distant badge]

that should work

[umbral pilot]

ok thanks

[tall yew]

idk how old my version is

[umbral pilot]

lovely says it's a virus

[distant badge]

you have to kill it before it kills you

[runic halo]

you uh have to shoot it with a real gun

[gray schooner]

You sure you downloading the right thing?

[nova elm]

open your firewall

[umbral pilot]

yeah it says "version.dll is a virus"

idk what that means

did you make me download a virus???

[distant badge]

you have to fight its physical manifestation to the death

[gray schooner]

No

[umbral pilot]

my anti virus says this when I download

[distant badge]

no that's fine

[umbral pilot]

are you sure

[distant badge]

yeah

[nova elm]

i have a better question

[umbral pilot]

im on a library computer and i dont want to get in trouble

[distant badge]

you have to plead the fifth though

[gray schooner]

that looks like a sus antivirus

[umbral pilot]

wdym

[gray schooner]

dont do it on a library computed

computer*

[umbral pilot]

but im at the library

[distant badge]

you can try downloading it on a book

[gray schooner]

i dont know if you can even get balatro on a chrome os

[umbral pilot]

its w dindows

[distant badge]

i think fahreinheit 451 should be big enough

[umbral pilot]

it says on the computer screen

[gray schooner]

these are chrome os popups

[tall yew]

yea thats a website trying to give you a virus in that notification

[umbral pilot]

oh idk the differrence

but i do haev minecraft and it runs ok

[umbral pilot]

ur just messing with mne man

get serious

[distant badge]

no im serious

balatro can be played on a book

[umbral pilot]

no your src opal.lua

[distant badge]

oh my bad

[umbral pilot]

ok let me ask libraryian

[distant badge]

there we go

[umbral pilot]

i might need different computer

brb

[distant badge]

i got serious and all i got for it was ignored...

[umbral pilot]

ok im on windbrows machine

libraryian said not to download anything bad

[distant badge]

you need to talk to john lovely first

[nova elm]

punch your screen as hard as you can

[umbral pilot]

howdo I make it not think its a virus?

[nova elm]

punching your screen as hard as you can

[distant badge]

ask it kindly

[tall yew]

....is that fuckin windows vista?

[umbral pilot]

ive already broken a computer i dont want to get in trouble

no its windows

who

[gray schooner]

it feels like they are shitposting

[umbral pilot]

oh

im just trying to install balatro mod

[distant badge]

-# please check their bio

[gray schooner]

-# i already read it, i pathologically look at peoples bios

[umbral pilot]

[distant badge]

their bio that says they need to install balatro mod

[umbral pilot]

idk I just say things in my bio

I copied some guy called jonh lovely

[gray schooner]

Jonh lovely

[umbral pilot]

yeah that guy

[tall yew]

im about to lose it

[nova elm]

do you play balatro

[umbral pilot]

balatro mods, do I need smods or no

[distant badge]

you need 3 copies

so it runs 3x faster

[nova elm]

john J jameson lovely

u need

to hug me

[normal hollow]

no

[umbral pilot]

thjis is what happens when I download steam

wait do I need steam and modded

[distant badge]

the red on your screen means it's overheating, you should probably put ice on your computer

[tall yew]

imma go back to balatro

[umbral pilot]

[latent crescent]

what is happening

[distant badge]

we're helping metherul install balatro mod

[umbral pilot]

ok I have steam

where do I download modded?

[gray schooner]

-# ||i love the zoom out on the mouse making it obvious this is a screenshot||

[open adder]

what is happening

[dense egret]

someone let the cat in the computer, again....

[umbral pilot]

they refuse to help me install mod

[distant badge]

nono we're helping

[umbral pilot]

just because im on library computer

[open adder]

what mod

[distant badge]

dude you need to install vanilla before you can install modded

[umbral pilot]

steam mod

[nova elm]

your computer has virus

[umbral pilot]

i hjave steam but they wont tell me where to get modded

[distant badge]

you need vanilla extract

[umbral pilot]

my friend has some he likes to drink it in school to make the pain go away

[brisk seal]

you have to download the mod with no name

[umbral pilot]

how much do I need

[brisk seal]

2.5

[distant badge]

like 5 or 6

[open adder]

0.5

[distant badge]

really any amount should do if you know what you're doing

[brisk seal]

but if you don't know

then -2 should work

[distant badge]

^

[umbral pilot]

ok what now

[open adder]

idk

[distant badge]

where's your vanilla extract

[umbral pilot]

but dont you know

dean

[brisk seal]

you must pass 2 truths and a lie, with the guards that speak only truth and only lies

[umbral pilot]

im going back to minceraft

[latent crescent]

crazy

[open adder]

awesome

[distant badge]

wait your phone is speckled

[umbral pilot]

it has diseases

[distant badge]

metherul you get x1.5 chips from your phone

[umbral pilot]

oh jees thanks

oh well im being kicked out of library they dont like that I smell

saying goodbye to my chariot

[prime dock]

something sinister is brewing

[brisk seal]

beta jolly joker

[umbral pilot]

strange mosaic on that joker

like, do they not have pants on?

[prisma latch]

i should update my crypid install but apparently some update of cryptid removed pointer n stuff or something?? and i want my stupid overpowered card how dare you take that from me >:(

[brisk seal]

balatro is in lua

you need C for pointers

[prisma latch]

you know what i meant.

[umbral pilot]

do you need a lazer pointer?

[prisma latch]

no

i haveth a lazer pointer

[umbral pilot]

well I have one and its pretty nice

[brisk seal]

a pointer on how to get pointers?

[umbral pilot]

I bet you wish you had one

[prisma latch]

i have one

somewhere

[umbral pilot]

do you have a finger

[prisma latch]

i do

many

[umbral pilot]

point it at the screen

wtf why did you flip me off

not that one

[brisk seal]

lucky.

[prisma latch]

but yeah i wanna try the new cryptid stuff but i dont want to lose any of the stuff they removed

[brisk seal]

wait...

they removed POINTER

[umbral pilot]

just backup the old version, play the new one, and if you change your mind you can restore the old version

[brisk seal]

you can't just steal from shutterstock like that

[umbral pilot]

oh sorry

[brisk seal]

you can't just steal from adobe stock like that

[umbral pilot]

oh sorry

[brisk seal]

do you think stock photos are like free to use or something

[umbral pilot]

this is what happened to the last person who crossed me

[distant badge]

at least let them finish their bowl of food

[prisma latch]

they got pet by kris deltarune?

[umbral pilot]

I'm the cup, you're the glasses

deltarun the mod?

[brisk seal]

I cast

pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis

[prisma latch]

aw fuck my lungs

[brisk seal]

2

[umbral pilot]

this one just makes me uncomfortable

[formal orchid]

hello again people

[prisma latch]

hi revo

[formal orchid]

today i fucked up my joker slots

[umbral pilot]

revo what are your thoughts on this image

[solar sandal]

ew ai

[umbral pilot]

agreed

[formal orchid]

uncomfortable

[latent crescent]

jonh lovely today is crazy

[solar sandal]

where's my fish tower of screen removal when i need it

found it

[umbral pilot]

yeah I've been working through ui code for like 4 hours and im losing my brain

[formal orchid]

ui is never good

burn ui

[umbral pilot]

there's typically no rule regarding what can and can't be posted, but people will typically ignore spam or non-content posts

[dire trail]

why would that be

[hardy brook]

fish

[whole nova]

it's kanye isn't it

[solar sandal]

True...

i love the fish tower of screen removal

[trail berry]

Joker 2 +5 Mult

hello everybody

[hardy brook]

Also hello chat

[whole nova]

join the club https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1388553083449118892

[solar sandal]

i think i know what i want to make a pillar out of

also hello shinku and poker

[trail berry]

Poe ker

[dire trail]

woker

[brisk seal]

hi Shinku

[trail berry]

hi mathematical person

[jaunty galleon]

is that a shattered iron block

[hardy brook]

Hello Arithmatic Homosapien

[distant badge]

oh dear

[dire trail]

woag

[jaunty galleon]

the bastard

[rotund burrow]

Hi guys - where can i share my bug report ? i am just using Talism and Cryptic

[umbral pilot]

the cryptic thread here or in the cryptic discord server

[hardy brook]

What's Cryptic?

[umbral pilot]

or on the cryptic github repo

[rotund burrow]

Cryptid and Talisman - holy i was able to destroy both names xD

[trail berry]

cryptid

[solar sandal]

cryptic mod

it does confusing things

[hardy brook]

ortibulous mod

[umbral pilot]

cryptussi

[hardy brook]

Stop

[jaunty galleon]

capussi

[prisma latch]

DID HTEY NERF PRIMUS?? NOOO

[umbral pilot]

primus was an affront to god

(sorry that sucks but you can always play the old verison)

(some things need to change for the sake of improving game clarity or to better align content with future development)

[solar sandal]

the more i see cryptid get balanced the more unpain i feel

[umbral pilot]

(so it happens)

[solar sandal]

what about it aside from design was changed btw

[digital glade]

this is cursed

why isn't my double tag doubling?

it didn't work

I got only a single negative joker

[teal sky]

Meoww

[umbral pilot]

oh interesting

good cat

can you still interact with the held cards as normal?

[teal sky]

[teal sky]

You can only swap them out for cards currently in ur hand

[umbral pilot]

gotcha

[teal sky]

Also they dont count towards held in hand bonuses

Because it's an offhand

[viscid minnow]

akiyoris shenanigans bug

[woven orchid]

nxkoo will die when they wake up

[woven orchid]

also as far as i am aware its actually pentation for some reason

and it just doesnt display it

[whole nova]

whatever happened to that eventual balatro mod jam

[viscid minnow]

can you put that in normal terms

[woven orchid]

what?

its ^^^ not ^

[viscid minnow]

i have no earthly idea what a pentation is

[woven orchid]

description lies

[viscid minnow]

oh

wait

leme try sum

[teal sky]

Pentation is repeated tetration
Tetration is repeated exponentiation
Exponentiation is repeated multiplication

[viscid minnow]

ohh so pentraition is just tetraition more

[teal sky]

It's the level after tetration

[prime dock]

i got bored

[viscid minnow]

oh i see

[brisk seal]

it's pentation

Throwback?

Matador?

etcetera

[distant badge]

chat am i winning this run

[weary mountain]

add me lol

[distant badge]

i love the mandatory copy joker yuri? break

[mint wasp]

balatro modders will invent hexation

[brisk seal]

i love [undecided attribute]

[brisk seal]

already have

[teal sky]

Do they know

[brisk seal]

and also hexation is already a thing

and heptation

and octation

and...

[prime dock]

unwimsical asesprite

[distant badge]

mathguy i dont know what the upside should be

[prime dock]

why does it lack jolly

[vernal hare]

overclocked legendaries are gonna be fucking insane btw

[distant badge]

other than money

[distant badge]

chicot turns every downside... into an upside

[brisk seal]

On Play or Discard, discard 3 cards

[distant badge]

isnt that just the hook if it was evil

[vernal hare]

perkeo is gonna create a copy of a consumable for every time you would’ve passed the blind’s requirement

but it’s not in one go either

it’s gonna check at the end of the round

[distant badge]

maybe add a way to keep playing until you run out of hands, to get more score

[brisk seal]

Exactly one joker fails to be disabled each hand

[prime dock]

evil needle: when blind selected, draw entire deck into hand, when hand is played, discard all cards held in hand

of course it’s 2x base like regular

[brisk seal]

4x

which do you perfer: Mult^ or ^Mult?

[distant badge]

^mult for consistency

[prime dock]

^mult is the correct option

[brisk seal]

they are not referring to the same concept

[prime dock]

oh

then mult^

that’s way more op

[distant badge]

wait i'm silly

(i don't know what mult^ is)

[brisk seal]

.. mult when?

[distant badge]

concatenation of mult

[brisk seal]

choose Mult

when?

[distant badge]

switch case mult

[jaunty galleon]

i could have sworn there was a modded joker exactly like this, anyways, first look at boss blind jokers

[mint wasp]

ah yes it just goes on

[brisk seal]

what's that symbol

never seen it before

[jaunty galleon]

the needle

[distant badge]

i wouldnt know

[jaunty galleon]

oh that was a Joke

oops! (all 6s)

[wind token]

im playing in a gta 5 rp server, my dumbass called the lawers instead of the police

[zenith hedge]

does the cat tag in cryptid do literally anything?

[brisk seal]

the lawyers are far more dangerous

[jaunty galleon]

no

[wind token]

i passed my gta 5 DMV test despite a blue truck hitting me 4 fucking times

[jaunty galleon]

actually, it merges

[oak kernel]

You can click it iirc

[brisk seal]

it meows

[zenith hedge]

yeah it makes a meow sound

and you can combine them

[distant badge]

you can merge them

[zenith hedge]

yep

thats it

damn

[brisk seal]

to get meow 2

[oak kernel]

Gameplay wise does nothing

[brisk seal]

wdym

meowing gives emotional support

and also it increases gateway chances trust

[wind token]

how the fuck is no one working at the police rn

[brisk seal]

Justice never sleeps (except on Thursdays)

[distant badge]

formatting fail

[wind token]

ive called 911 in this game 3 times and no one has picked up

[brisk seal]

,Mult

[distant badge]

actually that's ,Dollars

[brisk seal]

Justice is asleep rn

let em' nap

[distant badge]

terrible news

[brisk seal]

max score is 3

good luck

[distant badge]

(the tariff overrides the tax actually)

[oak kernel]

Does it stack?

[oak kernel]

Damn

[brisk seal]

you should probably fix that

[distant badge]

i could just ban the tax

[brisk seal]

boooooooooo

get off the stage

🍅

[distant badge]

fine

the tax > the tariff

(because the tax is meaner)

[brisk seal]

unless blind size is negative

in which case The Tax is more forgiving

[nova elm]

what happened

dud

why its imaginary numbers

[jaunty galleon]

happens

[deft ore]

what mods are giving you imaginary mult???

next we're going to get vector chips

[jaunty galleon]

[Answer my Polls](#1334717157098913833 message)

[gilded vortex]

Collect my pages

[deft ore]

collect my eggs

[fallow bramble]

Collect my evolutions

[gilded vortex]

Collect SDM_0's sneakers

[fallow bramble]

Wtf no...

[deft ore]

Collect SDM_0

[jaunty galleon]

i keep forgetting sdm’s pfp isn’t sackboy

[umbral pilot]

there needs to be a "ask again next week" option

[deft ore]

microsoft

[nova elm]

idk man

i just got an exotic and then everytime i sell something i got a consumable and a random joker

now im just going for chad and pity prize

its go nuts bro

[solar sandal]

what does it do

[deft ore]

soon we'll get a joker that "multiplies chips by 2i + 3k - 7j and increases vector magnitude by 1 if final score is a complex number" or some shit

[nova elm]

every hand i play is imaginary

and then suddenly every joker is sold

[distant badge]

if final score is parallel to a 3 dimensional axis, X10 mult

[deft ore]

wait do you still gain real chips

[nova elm]

and it starts generating automatic again

[woven orchid]

i already made mult^ ur late

[nova elm]

it just goes some things and boom

[lunar sluice]

calculate -10i * 2i

[nova elm]

dont know man

[jaunty galleon]

X0.5 Blind Size, -1 hand per round

[nova elm]

dont ask me

it just like this

[deft ore]

no like when a card is played

[woven orchid]

clean up ur damn joker slots

[deft ore]

does a 2 of diamonds give +2 chips

[nova elm]

dude

i CANT

[lunar sluice]

no

it would give -2i chips here

[nova elm]

everytime i sell a joker

it generates

another one

[deft ore]

how can you tell

[woven orchid]

lol, lmao, even

[nova elm]

everytime i sell anything tbh

[lunar sluice]

i coded it

[deft ore]

what joker do you see that does that

[exotic belfry]

Lmao?

[deft ore]

oh

[lunar sluice]

its tesseract

[nova elm]

i dont even have it

i got the glitched exotic joker

and then it just got insane

[deft ore]

how do you know its not being spawned

[nova elm]

because i see

everythine

that spawns

i deleted all of them with the spectral card

[teal sky]

I have been summoned

[deft ore]

i hate the spamton neo teacups

[weary mountain]

SO CLOSE

[exotic belfry]

Why are you blue

[weary mountain]

game over menu

[teal sky]

Thats his attack

[deft ore]

goddamnit i was going to make that joke

[weary mountain]

noted

[deft ore]

new deltarune theory: papyrus is constantly attacking kris while in the dark world

[teal sky]

:3

[lunar sluice]

papyrus knight theory

[deft ore]

chat did you know cyber city berdly is apparently stronger than jevil

[wintry plaza]

Can someone help me? I installed Steammodded for the Joker display mod, but when I enter the game it says missing dependencies, and that I didn't install Steammodded.

[lunar sluice]

its true i was there

[deft ore]

i first tried jevil itemless and then died to cyber city berdly of all encounters (with items too)

[exotic belfry]

Is it asking for a specific version?

[wintry plaza]

no its just saying that i dont have steammodded downloaded

but i do

[deft ore]

theory's dead

[deft ore]

where

[lunar sluice]

papyrus knight theory is alive still

[wintry plaza]

in balatro mod manager

[lunar sluice]

what if he just looks like that to mess with the player huh

you dont know

[wintry plaza]

in the installed mods section

[exotic belfry]

That throws a wrench in things

[deft ore]

toby doesnt do that for something so serious

[wintry plaza]

??

why

[exotic belfry]

Debugging anything with BMM makes it like 5x harder lol

[deft ore]

at least we know its not nested folders though

surely

[wintry plaza]

what i supposed to use for mods then?

is there a different "website"

[lost bolt]

what i do is usually take a look on the balatro modded wiki

[wintry plaza]

okok

yea idk

[formal orchid]

waaa

[distant badge]

hi revo!!

[wintry plaza]

it says the steamodded requires a dependancy called lovely and in my files i have it but in the BMM it doesnt show uyp

[solar sandal]

someone should make a deck called the snail deck which halves ante gain

[weary mountain]

This is ante 1

[deft ore]

wait does bmm not autoinstall lovely

[wintry plaza]

idk i guess not

[deft ore]

go install it then

[wintry plaza]

how do you instakk it

but when i search it up it doesnt show

:?

[solar sandal]

me when i dont use bmm

[deft ore]

tf is google showing you then

[wintry plaza]

not google in my files lovely in showed up but in the balatro mod manager its not there

[deft ore]

where in your files

[wintry plaza]

just like my recent ones

or wait

[deft ore]

having lovely in your downloads doesnt do shit

[wintry plaza]

idk where it is

[deft ore]

this should be obvious i feel

[deft ore]

right click show file location

[wintry plaza]

i click the little files icon in the installed mods section

i dont see a show file loction button

[deft ore]

in your recents

where you saw lovely

[wintry plaza]

i got to my name then app data

then roaming

[deft ore]

okay backup

[wintry plaza]

then i see Balatro

[deft ore]

what exactly is the lovely

folder?

[wintry plaza]

its in the mods folder

[deft ore]

no what is the lovely

are you rightclicking on a folder

[wintry plaza]

when i click it a dump and log folders show up

[deft ore]

show what happens when you launch the game

[wintry plaza]

lovely is a file folder

ok

[deft ore]

there should be some sort of other window

simplistic and black with white text

[hardy brook]

Ort

[wintry plaza]

in balatro game

[deft ore]

alab

[wintry plaza]

or somewhere else

?

[deft ore]

a window

[hardy brook]

Ort

[deft ore]

itll be under the same "category"

[wintry plaza]

i dont see tis

[deft ore]

hover over balatro in your taskbar

send screenshot of that

[wintry plaza]

how do you send a screen shot

😢

[deft ore]

i cant do this anymore

someone else help this person

[wintry plaza]

bro please

[full bison]

he may look cute but remember that he's the one that made the plant boss blind

[deft ore]

this is the issue with mod managers is they dont require any tech literacy

which sounds fine until something breaks

[wintry plaza]

:?

bruh i just started modding and now everything is broken

[jaunty galleon]

this is what i’ve been trying to say about jokerforge

i like the project and it’s impressive but still if you’re modding a game you should be interfacing with the game’s code and logic

[deft ore]

it's limiting more than anything is the thing

cause now you have little reason to actually interface with the code

and you discard your more complex ideas

and more importantly:

tech literacy is an important skill

first try spamton neo nice

[wintry plaza]

i guess i just wont use any mods that use steamodded

idk what to do

[deft ore]

i have bad news about every balatro mod

[west hill]

Hey guppy, what's the problem you're ahving?

[jaunty galleon]

i guess i just wont use any mods that use steamodded

[random storm]

actually install steammodded following the github

[wintry plaza]

im modding for the first time and im trying play with joker displlay and criptid but the probleme is that when i install everything i go into the game and it says that i didnt install steam modded

[west hill]

Can you screenshot your mods folder?

[wintry plaza]

and thats i cant use the other mods because its missing that dependancy

[hardy brook]

Btw, looking for a couple other playtesters for #1376362000854159471

[deft ore]

follow a damn tutorial and get off bmm

[wintry plaza]

how do you creenshot

[deft ore]

google

[west hill]

are you on windows?

[deft ore]

istg

[wintry plaza]

yea

[west hill]

Press windows+shift+s

[wintry plaza]

ok

[west hill]

then draw a boxa round what you want to screenshot]

paste it here

[distant badge]

a royal flush! i sure hope nothing bad happens

[deft ore]

we have a wealth of knowledge at our fingertips at all times and you just dont even think for a second to go "maybe i should search throughout a database containing a frankly absurd amount of information on fucking everything"

[deft ore]

is that the tax

[distant badge]

yes

[deft ore]

fuck kinda steamodded version are you using thats named like that

wait bad question

[wintry plaza]

not sure if thats what you wantred

[deft ore]

you dont fucking know

[wintry plaza]

idk why youu are mad

[wintry plaza]

is this what you wanted?

[deft ore]

stop using bmm

[wintry plaza]

how do you get mods in another way then?

[jaunty galleon]

the only joker that would piss me off more than wheel of misfortune

[deft ore]

have you considered: following a tutorial?

[wintry plaza]

:C

[west hill]

yeah that's fine. That looks like an odd version of smods, can you screenshot inside that folder for me?

[sleek granite]

wheel of fortune deck with fortune seals on every card

[deft ore]

so true

[deft ore]

if no fortune seals trigger in a hand the hand is banned

[random storm]

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/wiki
https://github.com/Steamodded/smods?tab=readme-ov-file#how-to-install-a-mod

[wintry plaza]

i fixed it i think 😄

[deft ore]

thank god

[wintry plaza]

you were no help

[hazy hill]

you could try using the balatro mod manager
balatro-mod-manager.dasguney.com

[wintry plaza]

and just got mad

[jaunty galleon]

Double or Nothing but with Fortune Seals and an Eternal Wheel of Misfortune and Dunce

[wintry plaza]

ok maybe

[deft ore]

that is the specific thing you should not be doing

[wintry plaza]

thanks

[wintry plaza]

why is bro getting mad at everyone lmao

[deft ore]

mod managers are by and large a bad idea

[hazy hill]

for someone who doesn't know how to install mods manually, it's a nice starting point

[jaunty galleon]

idk if i’m making a modpack i would rather eat lead than download every mod manually

[west hill]

mod managers are fine, what the hell are you on about

[fair thistle]

anyways what's up modding chat

[deft ore]

if someone doesnt know how to install mods manually they should learn how to install mods manually

[fair thistle]

haiii

[jaunty galleon]

i mean it doesn’t help that bmm is kind of janky

[distant badge]

hi astro!!!

[fair thistle]

bmm also helps you install them manually???

[deft ore]

if youre making a modpack youre experienced enough to fix issues

[hazy hill]

if they're doing more complex mod setups then yea, but if they're just playing cryptid then it's fine

[deft ore]

i mean as we've just seen clearly not

[fair thistle]

nonono it literally helps you

it sets up the folders for you and then you can open the mod folder, drop what what you've downloaded inside, and just play

[west hill]

BMM is a great starting point for modding balatro, if you have personal issues with it, take it up with their devs, don't take it out on people who are new to the scene and asking for help

you give off a particularly hostile impression that will only make people less likely to interact with mods

[deft ore]

fair

[fair thistle]

hai ralsei

[west hill]

my advice would be that if someone is asking for help and you don't want to help them, just don't say anything

[lunar sluice]

mod managers are not that bad especially if youre not that knowledgeable but even if they are, when implemented correctly they are pretty good

[fair thistle]

yeah honestly I'll say I've been using it just because it makes manually downloading mods a lot faster since it boils down a lot of things from typing to just clicks

[jaunty galleon]

in my experience it doesn’t really make it much faster because mod index loading is glacial and any mods installed through bmm have to wait for that to load

[fair thistle]

Well it's more... Convenient for me, y'know?

[jaunty galleon]

also, the update button doesn’t feel like working sometimes

[fair thistle]

I just update them manually anyways

[dusty token]

the average community behavior in here is like that yeah

[jaunty galleon]

that’s not really true to be honest

[dusty token]

i worded that awfully poorly

[jaunty galleon]

i feel like the main problem is that there really needs to be a separate support channel instead of people needing support interrupting conversation

because it does start to piss you off a little

[sleek granite]

modding chat drama news at eleven

[jaunty galleon]

who knows, there’s a moderator here every 3 days or so, the chance that idea gets to them is 0.1%, and the chance anything changes is too small to list here

[deft ore]

especially when cough cough people come here first before googling anything

[whole nova]

egg was here earlier and talked about a revamping of this category lol

[jaunty galleon]

it’s 2025 google is useless

[whole nova]

he's been sending surveys to multiple active modders

[deft ore]

it works well enough

[whole nova]

i think a modding-help channel is definitely coming at the very least

[deft ore]

for questions such as, oh, i don't know, how to screenshot on windows maybe?

[jaunty galleon]

yeah and egg’s like the only moderator i’ve seen around here unless one of those mr beast scams appears

[whole nova]

fair

[fair thistle]

im bored

[dusty token]

modding help (as forums) and modding faq channel would help alot, though i would also prefer this channel to not turn into second offtopic at sometimes

[deft ore]

paid steam gift card https://store.steampowered.com/digitalgiftcards/

[whole nova]

i love when this channel turns into a second off topic

[deft ore]

conversations drift what can you do

[exotic belfry]

Sleeper agent awakened

[distant badge]

technically my tax partner works without cryptid

[fair thistle]

yeah I love it too. it's more modders-chat than modding-chat

[deft ore]

yeah there's not enough modding to actually talk about modding w/out a dead chat

[whole nova]

plus at least i know everyone here is chill lol

[jaunty galleon]

i mean. that’s what modding-dev is supposed to be but that’s dev tech support now

[fair thistle]

like it's like mod-general here and that's super amazing

[deft ore]

speaking of dead chats have yall heard of rigged wheel

[whole nova]

holy crt

[fair thistle]

people still their mods, people learn stuff, ask questions,

[jaunty galleon]

isn’t this because new SMODS changed oa6

iirc they have back compat now

[full edge]

I brought that up to the mod team, so if other people also did in that survey, I'm sure there's a reasonable chance

[fair thistle]

the spiel of fortune

[distant badge]

the humble potion appearances

[deft ore]

no i recorded this a while ago (and those are base game cards)

[jaunty galleon]

oh yea

[deft ore]

i just took ownership of wof to make it do jackshit cause i thought it was funny

[jaunty galleon]

oops!

[fair thistle]

wheel of fortune(s)

[sleek granite]

wheel of fortune deck

[deft ore]

[sleek granite]

start with wheel of wheel of fortune voucher and 2 copies of wheel of fortune

[deft ore]

what does wheel of wheel of fortune voucher do

[sleek granite]

(this is a deck in thac)

1 in 4 to create a wheel of fortune when blind is selected

[deft ore]

1 in 1 chance to when wheel of fortune is used

[fair thistle]

wind magic deck

[west hill]

I don't think this is a structural issue, it's just a general problem of chatting in a chat room. If there's every more than one topic of conversation, it's very easy for messages to "interrupt" something. I don't think that we need a modding-help channel, but I do think a faqs section is a good idea (as long as the questions and answers aren't awful)

[sleek granite]

the tier 2 of wheel of wheel of fortune is ceaseless wheel which gives a 1 in 4 chance to make a wheel of fortune when wheel of fortune is used or sold

[deft ore]

also bmm should auto install lovely if it's going to stick around

[deft ore]

two oops gives you infinite money

[full edge]

Would it be an interesting mechanic to have a Slow Counter that can be put into playing cards that blocks a card from being discarded, and instead ticks down the counter by 1?

[umbral pilot]

does it not?

[wide mulch]

i need to learn how to draw goddam

[deft ore]

apparently not

ill just leave it at that but you can scroll up if you want to see

[umbral pilot]

alright, interesting haha

[full edge]

I can see that too. I'm wondering how many people don't even try and ask a question between Minecraft chatter, though, but yeah, mostly just basing that on my gut

[dreamy abyss]

bitch jr

[west hill]

I thought BMM did auto install lovely?

[deft ore]

the bitch jr is my favorite part of this art

[sleek granite]

it also gives a 1 in 4 chance for wheel of fortune created by wheel of wheel of fortune or ceaseless wheel to be negative and if you use or sell a negative wheel of fortune it forces the odds to be 1 in 4 regardless of probability modifiers

[umbral pilot]

100x agree. nothing wrong with bmm.

[umbral pilot]

yeah it should

iso why it wouldn't

[deft ore]

whats everyones least favorite punctuation mark

[fair thistle]

Lime Credit Card - 1 in 4 chance for anything bought to be negative, takes the extra amount of money it would've costed to make it negative, even if it puts you into debt

[umbral pilot]

hard disagree haha

hot takes in the chat tonight

[fair thistle]

honestly that's a hard choice

[umbral pilot]

goobers

[fair thistle]

🤔

[sleek granite]

hot take play my mod

[deft ore]

you should put your mod in your bio

[dreamy abyss]

im cold

[sleek granite]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1331462654732144721

[full edge]

I think part of the BMM's janky reputation, outside of it being slow, is also just due to the way Cryptid and Talisman released, with Talisman being incorrectly tagged and pulling an old update, and Cryptid having invisible bug fix updates that you'd only know about if you were checking the GitHub channel on its discord

[deft ore]

unfortunately cryptid has firmly cemented itself as the most popular balala mod

[sleek granite]

i dont like bmm because of the begging for money in this chat

[deft ore]

why are those relevant

[sleek granite]

but im evil so who knows

[lunar sluice]

cryptid release schedule would be better if i could make releases and announce them

but i still cant

[umbral pilot]

I mean the fork exists

considering idk how active the dev is anymore

and the new maintainer seems like a solid person

[lunar sluice]

the release version should be the one youre meant to play but the current release is ass because some things accidentally slipped through and they didnt do another one yet

[wide mulch]

are you actually the ceo of cryptid

[lunar sluice]

no

[wide mulch]

:(

[lunar sluice]

im just the lead dev

[dusty token]

i think people would go and use gui tools rather than opening local files and then doing drag and drop, its tedious

[deft ore]

does the ceo of apple complain about iphones

[full edge]

I own Cryptid, but it's all through shady back alley deals so don't tell anyone

[wide mulch]

close enough, welcome back steve jobs

[lunar sluice]

im not complaining about cryptid im complaining about cryptid management

its different

[umbral pilot]

well it's more than that.

[exotic belfry]

I did not know you took the reigns

[umbral pilot]

like, mod updates n such

and dependencies

[lunar sluice]

it was a little while ago tbh

but not much happened because of like beurocracy or whaatever

[wide mulch]

how difficult would it even be to make a balatro mod manager

i reckon it would be a fairly easy task

[exotic belfry]

Stank

[full edge]

I predict a great Cryptid Fork war, somewhere in the coming months. I can taste it in the air. Like rust, tinged with frustration. It lingers whenever the name Cryptid is spoken

[exotic belfry]

I know @teal sky has been trying their hand at one off and on

[lunar sluice]

if i ever have to actually make cryptid fables unironically it will be the start of my evil arc

[umbral pilot]

mod managers are easy to write but hard to do well. I've worked Thunderstore's mod managers for a while and it gets complicated fast.

[fair thistle]

[teal sky]

I mean
It's made
As for it being in-game, the backend is essentially done

[umbral pilot]

but those are meant to be generic so there's that

[wide mulch]

yeah, im kinda speaking out of my ass a little when i say that it seems easy because ive had no experience with developing one

[umbral pilot]

is it compatible with the bmm index?

[wide mulch]

this would be huge

[dusty token]

managing updates and dependencies and conflicts is one hell of an issue yeah

[sleek granite]

i predict you will play my mod

[deft ore]

can we talk about how you can reach ante 39 with five perkeos/perkeo copies and one ephemeral card

[full edge]

I'm finishing Kino tomorrow and then making Cryptid: the Ice Age, so be quick or that'll be the new default

[lunar sluice]

i think the main issue is that like

[full edge]

It's like cryptid but with none of the stuff cryptid players enjoy

[lunar sluice]

everyone will play the spectralpack version unless it literally gets taken out back

its also why i didnt just make my own fork in the first place

[umbral pilot]

yeah. I've written package dependency graph solvers and they're hard to get right

tricky problem to solve

[distant badge]

i could make the player have to download cryptid to unlock the tax partner

but then they can use it without it

[wide mulch]

do you actually work at thunderstore that is crazy

[sleek granite]

oh so its cryptid but with game design not being done by schoolchildren on a google sheet

[deft ore]

who cares

[lunar sluice]

doing cryptid fables but like unironically is the only solution because literally just having the same mod with a few new things on a different fork wont be enough to get most people playing it

[deft ore]

it is a mod explicitly advertised as unbalanced

[umbral pilot]

I have for about 4 years now, yeah

[deft ore]

what did you expect

[lunar sluice]

add 1 to the counter of people conflating unbalanced with being shittily designed

i think cryptid balance is fuckin out of wack

even for an unbalanced mod

[deft ore]

oh i agree it's badly designed

[west hill]

cryptid tries to do too many things imo

[wide mulch]

in my second year of university for comp sci we had to do a huge 5k word UI review on some piece of software and i did it on thunderstore mod manager/r2modman

[deft ore]

real

[sleek granite]

me too play my mod

[lunar sluice]

theres a lot of shit i just want to cut

[west hill]

it's like ADHD: The Mod

[umbral pilot]

I'm curious to see what you said haha, you should send it to me if you feel comfortable. we don't get a lot of UI feedback on r2mm

[lunar sluice]

i really hate gamesets because it just brings down all parts of the mod with how they are setup

[sleek granite]

designed by schoolchildren on a google sheet

[lunar sluice]

madness doesnt get well needed changes but the other 2 are undercooked

so literally everything is just ass

[deft ore]

on a piece of paper that they wrote "google sheet" on

not an actual google sheet

[lunar sluice]

a lot of stuff just needs to be cut

its a miracle that so much of the old google sheet even got implemented in the first place

with some of the ideas ive seen on there

[umbral pilot]

just honestly seems like you need to fork or start a new project tbh

with a fresh foundation

[amber river]

Foundation?

[deft ore]

but of course the cryptid userbase would never let you cut their beloved Scrimjoker-Mooker synergy

[amber river]

As in

[lunar sluice]

i mean i could just make a fork

[umbral pilot]

foundation

[amber river]

Scp foundation??

[deft ore]

secure contain protect

[lunar sluice]

but if everything goes well it wont be necessary

and ill just do it on the main repo

[sleek granite]

like theres a difference between "unbalanced mod" and "literally zero consideration went into how any of this works ingame"

[lunar sluice]

this is why i need to make entropy standalone

[deft ore]

zero consideration of how it works is a subset of unbalanced mods

[fair thistle]

mockup

[deft ore]

get the planet merchant

[umbral pilot]

well at the same time

[distant badge]

cryptid is pretty unbalanced, and i feel like that's kinda become it entirely

[wide mulch]

i just pasted some of the more relevent bits into a google doc. sorry in advance if im too harsh it was the point of this section of the assignment (this was in 2021-2022 idk if its even up to date)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12MqGxKGC3mPNb2UtTaF5fmZtQJLg1GADlHsOhM1Tv8c/edit?usp=sharing

[umbral pilot]

I like cryptid, it's like junk food

[deft ore]

i forgot rouxls can just fly

[lunar sluice]

i will save cryptid trust

[deft ore]

why can he do that

[umbral pilot]

beautiful, thanks!

[lunar sluice]

ill cut out all the red 40 it will fix it

[distant badge]

will the tax survive

[lunar sluice]

no the tax fucking sucks

[sleek granite]

he makes his own rules

[amber river]

get rid of the jolly stuff and i think it'll be 10x better

[lunar sluice]

tbh

my opinion is that

[deft ore]

nobody actually liked the tax

[lunar sluice]

most stuff needs to be removed

and if you really like it so much

[wide mulch]

i got 93/100 on that assignment if i remember correctly so maybe the harshness wasnt for nothing

[lunar sluice]

then just make your own mod

well most might be an exaggeration

but its still a lot

[fair thistle]

i made this on mobile (the weathergirl is edited in, dw, that was originally a ramen) just to see what it would look like ingame

[amber river]

code cards are awesome tho

epics and exotics too

[west hill]

Was it Ice who suggested cutting down almost everything to a very small base and having all the different packages as standalone addons?

[lunar sluice]

id prefer to rework things rather than cut them but a lot of stuff is just not salvageable

[deft ore]

code cards are cool sometimes

[lunar sluice]

i dont think id go as extreme as ice was proposing

[umbral pilot]

nah not harsh, just honest. honesty is very valuable :-)

[lunar sluice]

but some things definitely need to be removed

[deft ore]

they need space checks though

and also fuck pointer

[west hill]

I think the general idea is a solid one though

[sleek granite]

exotics dont need to exist i already never see legendaries

[lunar sluice]

exotics are fine they are just all boring

[umbral pilot]

exotics are fun

[amber river]

i love exotica

[full edge]

It's not a great analogy because I'm casting Polterworx as a villain as if it's mere existence is somehow sinful, but it's feeling a bit like Polterworx going away is like in a movie or anime where the villain turned out to be holding back a bigger villain, and without Polterworx there's now a flood of mods that have a hot new take on pentation

[amber river]

s*

[sleek granite]

no like

[deft ore]

exotics appear in one deck (equilibrium)

[amber river]

LMFAO

[fair thistle]

the current exotics are just boring, they're punishing to get which I like but they're just currently boring

[deft ore]

and 90 percent of them are stupidly broken in an unfun way

[amber river]

didn't they change it tho

or am i trippin

[jaunty galleon]

ha!

[deft ore]

tenebris is goated though

[lunar sluice]

gateway rework has been planned since like literally forever but it wont happen

i mean the concept of exotics is fun

[jaunty galleon]

gateway sucks ass

[lunar sluice]

but like 99% of all of the ones that exist currently are boring

[sleek granite]

legendaries are already uber rare and never actually show up in a practical setting

[deft ore]

gateway is so incredibly hit or miss

[full edge]

Yup. I got enough pushback to realize I ain't convincing people but I also honestly still believe that the best thing for the mod community as a whole would be for Cryptid to become dormant and just get maintenance and compatibility updates, haha. But I think I'm a radical in that regard

[umbral pilot]

this is what I meant

[distant badge]

^^236 mult, removes your left leg in real life

[deft ore]

no you're right

[west hill]

why is meth's profile picture different for you than the one I see

[fair thistle]

^^2 chips /j

[wide mulch]

this is why i prefer it when mods add a bunch of really nice commons and uncommons over loads of cool legendaries

[umbral pilot]

cache

probably

[deft ore]

^^2 chips and pisses you off in real life

[lunar sluice]

see i actually wouldnt mind starting cryptid again from scratch but like its not really a feasible solution if you want people to play it and im not gonna be able to convince the fuckin cryptid beuracracy to do that

so i have to figure some other shit out

[fair thistle]

i mean
cryptid also has commons
and uncommons

[deft ore]

how many people are overseeing cryptid

[umbral pilot]

such is life

[azure dagger]

what about a mod that adds the same amount of all rarities

[jaunty galleon]

when i get rid of all of my jokers for absolute dogshit

[lunar sluice]

not that many idk the exact numbers

[deft ore]

yeah it has uncommons that spawn infinite fucking jokers

[lunar sluice]

effarcire is literally epic tier

or maybe like legendary

its definitely not exotic

[umbral pilot]

err

[fair thistle]

but they're lower rarities

[umbral pilot]

I mean

[distant badge]

yes please i would like to lag my game

[deft ore]

rn its exotic

[sleek granite]

you dont need a rarity above legendary because you already get a legendary once every 15 runs

[distant badge]

with my 4.6 quintillion abstract cards

[lunar sluice]

its a lot of consistency but the consistency doesnt even matter

[jaunty galleon]

oil lamp is still rare btw

[fair thistle]

youve said that like 5 times

[deft ore]

effarcirce should be scrapped actually

nobody likes it

[lunar sluice]

okay cool you dont think exotics need to exist

[fair thistle]

oil lamp should be scrapped

[wide mulch]

in my (very humble) opinion, the ratio of jokers a mod should add is around 10:10:5:1 for common:uncommon:rare:legendary

[lunar sluice]

that feels like a seperate category of concern

[full edge]

Part of my plan is to propose the most radical interpretation of a solution, so there's space to walk it towards a middle point that proposes actual change, haha

[deft ore]

value changing as a whole is the real issue with cryptid

[jaunty galleon]

oops

[formal orchid]

-# dont check my mod's ratio

[distant badge]

base balatro has 1 legendary for 29 non-legendary jokers

[lunar sluice]

lol i mean it worked

[jaunty galleon]

got that 3:2:1 split

[wide mulch]

thats still a good ratio, atleast its not like 10:10:10

[azure dagger]

Mine's at 1:1:1:1:1

Common:Uncommon:Rare:Legendary:Agent Tier

[fair thistle]

yeah honestly even then it would make sense to scrap Effarcire entirely because it's entire concept is something achievable with a lot less power and even then, when will you need your whole deck unless you're playing TEFD?

[full edge]

The base game has more uncommons than commons, no?

[jaunty galleon]

i don't trust any mod that adds more than 5 legendaries

[teal sky]

:<

[formal orchid]

i got quite a lot of rarities

[azure dagger]

Is 2 acceptable then?

[wide mulch]

optimal ratio

[lunar sluice]

i didnt even add any cause i dont have any ideas that are themticallly appropriate

[dusty token]

mine's 0:0:0:0:0

[formal orchid]

💔

[full edge]

I think that's the norm for most card games as well, where uncommon is the rarity with the most content. Commons need to be common even amongst themselves, so that they can be a stable category

[normal hollow]

damn by one

[deft ore]

tefd should be a rare easter egg that you get if you're dedicated

[jaunty galleon]

sure

[lunar sluice]

coming up with good commons that arent insanely under/overpowered is hard too

[fair thistle]

infinite deck is a cool concept because infinite selection limits doesn't have much power at lower hand sizes

[lunar sluice]

harder than people realise at first

[exotic belfry]

I forget what Maximus’ current ratio is

[jaunty galleon]

i mean, i disagree

[wide mulch]

this is an issue for pokermon too. i absolutely adore that mod and have probably spent as many hours as base game with that mod but i still have not seen all the legendaries there

[fair thistle]

but you're right it pretty much is an Easter egg at this point

[deft ore]

i like infinite deck where it is honestly

[fair thistle]

Yeah :D

[full edge]

Common is the hardest rarity to design variety for in basically any game

[wide mulch]

but atleast in pokermon it makes sense because legendary pokemon

[lunar sluice]

i mean you can do a few but if you want to add 50 commons youre going to run into a problem

[full edge]

(it's why Cryptid should remove all its commons)

[deft ore]

the issues with infinite deck stem from other jokers

[fair thistle]

critical deck is hit or miss (literally)

[lunar sluice]

most cryptid commons arent even common

[jaunty galleon]

commons are probably the easiest to design imo. rares are kind of really difficult to get right

[deft ore]

yeah who was cooking that

[fair thistle]

its literally just direct scoring and that's the only point

[deft ore]

i'm surprised that whoever made crit deck didnt burn down their house as they were typing

[glossy spoke]

hey am i able to like get help finding the source of a crash from crash logs here?

[fair thistle]

what if critical deck have ^^2- 💥

[normal hollow]

yes

[deft ore]

ctrl c the crash log please

no screenshots istg

[glossy spoke]

will do

[wind token]

hi chat

[lunar sluice]

most cryptid people just see unbalanced as meaning that everything has to be overpowered i think this was including the original idea guys too but thats just a really bad way of looking at it

[full edge]

I find uncommon to be the easiest. Common I want to be mechanically simple, even for the complicated Kino mechanics I introduce, so it's always hard to find a simple effect that covers new ground still

[wide mulch]

i trust the people who have actually made balatro mods to dictate what the best ratio is. i have never made a single balatro mod

[lunar sluice]

i think cryptid would be better branding itself as a mod that pushes the limits/boundaries a little rather than just unbalanced

[deft ore]

what was happening when it crashed

[wide mulch]

all this 'game theory'

[glossy spoke]

i used a wheel of fortune and it was trying to apply an edition to one of my jokers

[lunar sluice]

let me do a diagram of what i mean

[glossy spoke]

this has happened like a lot of times with editions

so i think its something to do with editions

[deft ore]

hmmm

does morefluff add editions?

[sleek granite]

the problem is that cryptid has become The Monolithic Balatro Mod and if you make a mod that isnt balanced around cryptid you might be lucky to get one person to play it

sure it sounds like a funny joke to say "lets power creep the modding community to such a degree that we have to overhaul how the game handles numbers because we decided that 1.8e308 isnt an inconceivable enough number" but in doing that now there are shittons of people who will never touch a different balatro mod in their life because they either A) played cryptid and liked it so now every other mod is invalid because its just more jokers to ignore like the 150 vanilla ones, or B) played cryptid and hated it and assume every balatro mod is like that

[dusty token]

no/

[glossy spoke]

hmm lemme

see

[distant badge]

of my god every time

[jaunty galleon]

<@&1133519078540185692>

kill

[random storm]

speak of the devil-

[distant badge]

mods remove their nuclei

[fair thistle]

I enjoy it when a mod isn't JUST stupid and broken and instead it's just wacky and pushing boundaries

[deft ore]

did they fuck up the link

lmao

[jaunty galleon]

thanks

[keen wraith]

hello :)

[hardy brook]

Get FREE Stuff

[Legit Link]

Yeah right

lol

[sleek granite]

throwing your hands in the air and saying "WELL I GUESS NOTHING CAN BE DONE" is a non-solution and shows that you are blind to this massive detrimental effect on the community

[glossy spoke]

@deft ore i dont see anything saying it adds editions but lemme look in the collection tab just in case

[keen wraith]

Wanted to make sure, can I ask for help in here or is there a different room for that