⚙・modding-general

[gray cove]

Wiki

[magic gale]

what’s the wood frommmm

[polar oyster]

texture pack?

[coral hound]

why does it do this when i try and select a card

[willow cedar]

the game crashes when i press endless but it is actually impossible to find the mod causing this

every time i think i found it, it suddenly starts working again

and for some reason theres mods with "hidden dependancies", mods that break until i add a seemingly random mod in. genuinely the mods are completely seperate from eachother but just having both in the same folder fixes any crashes. its super weird. so sometimes it will be impossible to test mods individually because ill need both mods in at the same time

[hard plank]

oh my mod

i fixed it in latest version

i think

hold on

nvm

????

wtf

[willow cedar]

i actually did find your mod to keep crashing my game when pressing the endless button down to the bitter end but again like i said, it just randomly would start working again

[hard plank]

ohhhhhh

right

i think i know

@willow cedar ill make a new release in a moment

[willow cedar]

thank you

[hard plank]

sorry for the inconvenience

[willow cedar]

i just wanna ruin the game with my 2000 jokers man

[hard plank]

also you will get to play the freedom deck

[willow cedar]

freedom? 🦅 💥

[kind schooner]

is the soul animated

[hard plank]

what soul

[kind schooner]

the card

[hard plank]

https://github.com/Aikoyori/Balatro-Aikoyoris-Shenanigans/releases/tag/0.2.0-alpha-250504c

tho be warned

i removed the check that was supposed to prevent Confrontation (the boss that doesn't want face card to be held in hand) to appear

so you'll have to face it even if you have eternal Pareidolia

[willow cedar]

small price to pay for salvation

[hard plank]

art is WIP

!!!!

[willow cedar]

IT WORKSS

[glacial rune]

what does "deafult joker" mean?

[coral hound]

its a joker just called joker, you can get it from a tarot

[glacial rune]

oh, jimbo

[hard plank]

Jimbo

[orchid cobalt]

heyo guys

im having trouble with pokemon mod, i can't seem to get it to work

what am i doing wrong, can someone help?

[zenith loom]

is there a way to replace a boss blind with a different one when the blind is selected?

[orchid cobalt]

i did try some steammodded but it didnt work, even the new one, same with lovely

sorry for the spam btw

[keen crypt]

Is there any way to make it go away?

[hard plank]

you'll need to use the latest latest version of steamodded

[orchid cobalt]

i did

which is the version 1.0.0-beta-0323b isnt it

[rich star]

bonus card retextured

https://balatromods.miraheze.org/wiki/Enhanced_Enhancements

[willow cedar]

NEVERMIND

tldr: do not take the tldr joker

crashed the game the second i entered the shop

[wind turtle]

No, https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/archive/refs/heads/main.zip

[orchid cobalt]

ohh it works now perfect thank you

[hard plank]

actually

fuck.

uhm

i added a new game variable

do you have debugplus

[willow cedar]

yes

[orchid cobalt]

whats the april fools content in pokermon, should i check it?

[keen crypt]

How the fuck do I fix this?

[hard plank]

eval G.GAME.akyrs_any_drag = false while in game should do the trick

hope that works

[willow cedar]

it has not

[hard plank]

hmmmm

[willow cedar]

💔

let me test

[hard plank]

so like

hold up I'll fix something can you wait for like a second

[magic gale]

ah okie

[willow cedar]

yes

[hard plank]

was gonna sleep

[willow cedar]

sorry lol

[zenith loom]

bump

[hard plank]

https://github.com/Aikoyori/Balatro-Aikoyoris-Shenanigans/releases/tag/0.2.0-alpha-250504d

[willow cedar]

also if you have the time can you check if newest update crashes when you check a specific page in collections

idk if its compatibility or not

[west hill]

@full edge blinds should be fixed

[hard plank]

fuck!!

[willow cedar]

truly

[west hill]

-# it had also broken deck calc, guess nobody uses that 🤣

[hard plank]

oh i panicked same crash

[willow cedar]

oh well thats lucky

i will test

[kind schooner]

ty it made me finally solve this, ty

[hard plank]

was deck calculation fixed

wow

wait there's deck calculation?

[west hill]

yeah you can give your decks calculate functions

that's been a feature for ages now

[hard plank]

ohbh

[willow cedar]

ok it works

its all good now 🎉

[hard plank]

i mean i guess no wonder why it went under the radar

[willow cedar]

i appreciate you fixing it

[hard plank]

waiting for next steamodded release so i can finally bump the requirement

just like Godot

[west hill]

I think there was something else I was supposed to be fixing

but I dont remember now 😭

[keen crypt]

HOW TO FIX THIS PROBLEM

[hard plank]

I'm going to kill u discord

[sudden olive]

Disable all mods 😎

[swift matrix]

Lmfao. I remember that it was... a while back

[kind schooner]

don't do that, it would hurt discord

[zenith loom]

bump again

[prime monolith]

im

guwu

balala

[keen crypt]

Ha ha blyat

[hard plank]

@west hill this is the same bug right

[hard plank]

how did you get that fire

[plush hound]

@hardy brook https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gDktsYKdHI

congrats

mods are getting some spotlights right now

[keen crypt]

Whence, from the large number of multipliers and chips

[lost inlet]

yea i made this way too powerful

[kind schooner]

the art looks rly cool

[lost inlet]

ty!!!

[kind schooner]

but yeah that seems a bit too op

[lost inlet]

this + photochad is a free e12

[kind schooner]

whats e12

[lost inlet]

like score

1e12

[kind schooner]

yeah i can see that

[lost inlet]

also has mega fucked up synergies with stuff like invisible joker
i could maybe give a shorter perish timer on all of the jokers it copies

[kind schooner]

why specifically invisible joker?
is the idea is that youre hoping you dupe the legendary

[lost inlet]

infinite copies of invisible joker

[kind schooner]

i see

i think

[lost inlet]

you just don't sell the original copy of invis

maybe not mega fucked up but still powerful

[lunar sluice]

hello

[kind schooner]

ohj wait i understand now because if you sell the invis its not perishable anymore

but wouldnt it stop being negative doe

[lost inlet]

yea true

[plush hound]

hello ruby

[lunar sluice]

whats up

[plush hound]

not much how about you

[lunar sluice]

pretty good

a second video has hit the entropy

[kind schooner]

is there any example of how to re-texture a joker in the steammodded wiki ( i've looked for it for like a decent 10m and haven't seen it ) or does any1 have one 🙏

[plush hound]

which

[lunar sluice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7feYz_fx5c

[plush hound]

@wraith seal how do i remove a level from my skill btw

HELP

the fact that its saved in your profile is crazy

[plush hound]

thats your deck?

[lunar sluice]

no

but he got entropy on

[plush hound]

ohhhhhhhhhh

[lunar sluice]

antireal joker showed up but it was bugged so it didnt even do anything

[kind schooner]

^ 🥺

[plush hound]

Exponential Ascended hands?

[lunar sluice]

yea

[plush hound]

kinda fucks me a bit since the box doesnt turn yellow

[lunar sluice]

probably needs to be nerfed

[lunar sluice]

i tried to get it to work but never figured it out

[plush hound]

tried asking the cryptid devs?

[lunar sluice]

i know how i should go about it but it just doesnt work for seemingly no reason

also i was the one who made the box turn yellow in the first place

[dawn lake]

Hey how do I download mods?

[kind schooner]

there's a tutorial in the modding threads under guides

[dawn lake]

Where?

[gray cove]

Love you

[kind schooner]

click the modding thread, click the thing on the right, select ''guides''
and then click the bottom one

[kind schooner]

oh yeah question, i checked the steammodded wiki, and there's no guide on how to retexture jokers, do you happen to have one? thanks

[dawn lake]

The Balatro Modding Starter Guide? It doesn't say anything about how specifically to download mods

[gray cove]

Actually no but i think i know someone who does

Wait

[kind schooner]

search up %appdata%, go to roaming, go to balatro, make a ''mods'' folder (or Mods, or whatever), put in the mods you want
about the mods you put, make sure there is only 1 step between the folder and the mod itself, so no folder that contains a folder that is the mod, in those cases you need to extract, also a bunch of mods require you to download dependencies like steammodded or malverk (which is why you should probably check out the guide)

[kind schooner]

ty

[dawn lake]

I know all of that, but

[gray cove]

If i give you a retexture mod would that help you as an example ?

[dawn lake]

How do I get the mods to put in the mods folder?

Like, I have a mod I want to download from github, but I don't see where to download it on the page

[kind schooner]

definitely!

[kind schooner]

oh- there's a download button somewhere in the github page, it's normally highlighted in blue

[gray cove]

Press the green button “code”

And press download as zip

Then

Extract it and put it in

[dawn lake]

Oh ok

[gray cove]

Windows + R then type %appdata%balatro/mods

@kind schooner

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1251615229721186457

❤️

[dawn lake]

Ok I got it in the mods folder, so can I just open the game now?

[gray cove]

Actually no

Did you download steamodded ?

[dawn lake]

Yea

[gray cove]

Then go ahead

[hexed zenith]

Using balatro mod loader, but I dont even have this mod installed anymore since I deleted the folder

Dont know why its still there.

How do i remove it

[kind schooner]

ty, i'm gonna have a hard time understanding the gereoglyphics but i'll find a way.

[zenith loom]

oh fuck

[gray cove]

I think you need to create anew atlas

And then replace the texture with a position of the new

[zenith loom]

wait im so stupid yall nvm this was the wrong channel the whole time

whoops

[gray cove]

LMFAO

[gray cove]

W game ENA i hope you find the boss

[zenith loom]

ty 🔥

[kind schooner]

where is the boss!?!!?

[zenith loom]

ena is peak

[dawn lake]

What would be a good first mod to start with?

Like, a mod to download to get more used to playing modded balatro

[kind schooner]

question, do you know how to make a high quality image be inside of a joker/card without it losing quality (as in having less pixels) ? ty

[gray cove]

That’s actually not possible you can’t fit a 1080x720 pixel image in a 95x71 frame and have it high quality 🥲

[gray cove]

Cryptid is the most known

And best

[dawn lake]

Are the x2 sprites needed for a mod?

[gray cove]

(Depends)

[gray cove]

Only for the editions

But yeah

They are

[kind schooner]

but i've seen ppl do it

[gray cove]

Maybe there is , from what i know tho its not possible

[dawn lake]

Is there an easy way to make the x2 sprites?

[gray cove]

Yeah

Change your sprite size and save it again

Depends on what program you’re using , if you’re using Libresprite/aseprite you can go to sprite size and change the pixel to x2 the current pixel size

And save it as another image

[dawn lake]

Alright

[west hill]

I think this works well for a final ante now

[novel heron]

because it is possible

[lost inlet]

just gonna scrap this for making it a double blueprint

[kind schooner]

and how do they do it 🙏 🤲 ✋ 🥺

[novel heron]

just change the atlas size to whatever, ideally a multiple of the usual card size

so it's still the same aspect ratio

but i don't know what you're going for

[kind schooner]

wdym

[swift matrix]

is this how galdur is supposed to look current;y?

[harsh glacier]

doesn't galdur use 2 columns

not 3

by default

[swift matrix]

I thought so, but this is how it looks now

It's perfectly usable and tbh better like this

it just looks slightly jank

[novel heron]

okay let's say ur image is 142x190 (that's like double the size of the usual card)

you would still need a 2x image that's even double that

but then define your atlas as

SMODS.Atlas {
    key = "your-atlas-key",
    path = "your-image.png",
    px = 142,
    py = 190
}

[kind schooner]

the image is 1280 x1280 would it still fit

[novel heron]

i mean it would be square in the game until you squish it manually to some portrait aspect ratio

[swift matrix]

yes, though imo large textures look like shit in balatro

they get really jagged edges

[novel heron]

my cat does NOT looked jagged

oh well i guess it does at the edges lol

[swift matrix]

lol, told ya :P

tbh it isn't as bad as I thought

I think because it's square actually

[west hill]

no

[novel heron]

tbh this game needs AA even without jank hd textures

[swift matrix]

hmm... wonder what mod is causing it to be like that. I'm not complaining though, it's a bit better

[kind schooner]

so for the image to be 1280x1280 we would have to put the px and py to 2560?

[novel heron]

no

[west hill]

it's all misaligned 🤮

[swift matrix]

I wish instead, it did things in an actual 2d manner

[kind schooner]

i understand it now.

[swift matrix]

oh yeah, it looks jank, but like... the 4 rows is nice and it doesn't effect usability

really a 4 > for error?

What am I smoking?

[kind schooner]

nvm it does nothing and i'm lost

[lunar sluice]

i had to turn off pixel smoothing just because of how bad it can make textures look sometimes tbh

[swift matrix]

This is why I swear I just transcribe my inner monologue as I write, lmao

[lunar sluice]

anything that gets scaled up or is larger than the normal size gets absolutely killed

[swift matrix]

In more relevent news, I finally feel comfortable releasing an uptate to my modpack

[gray cove]

GRAHHHHHH

[kind schooner]

wait so if we upscale the joker, in the 1x and 2x, what size would we put, the 2x would be twice as large as the px and py that we chose, right? or am i stupid as usual

[gray cove]

Fire emoji

[gray cove]

Yes

[swift matrix]

4 days feels like a month atm ngl

[gray cove]

No you’re quite intelligent

[gray cove]

Drop link

[novel heron]

:((((

place your 1280x1280 image in 2x
resize it to half (640x640) and put that in 1x

do the atlas with 640x640 as i showed above

[swift matrix]

well I will ince I release the update, no need to download the old version right before I drop the new one

but here it is for posterity https://github.com/GayCoonie/Coonies-Mod-Pack-Neo\

[gray cove]

Damn

You got everything in gere

Here

This modpack feels like a dlc

[novel heron]

paid mods in balatro when?

[gray cove]

Nsfw mods before gta 6

[novel heron]

there are already (don't discuss this further it's against the rules)

[gray cove]

It’s crazy how i didn’t find any nsfw mod so far

W community

[gray cove]

Its against the rules to create them right

[novel heron]

also to talk about

in here

[gray cove]

Understood

[novel heron]

i don't make the rules, i just was there when they made them (clear)

and i might be overreacting to be on the safe side lol

[kind schooner]

@novel heron it still doesn't work (sorry for the ping) idk what im doing wrong

[swift matrix]

https://github.com/GayCoonie/Coonies-Mod-Pack-Neo/releases/tag/release-20250503a

Here's the new release :3

[novel heron]

you can ping whenever you want i don't care at all

show your code :3

[kind schooner]

ty 4 the help btw

[swift matrix]

just dropped the new release finally

sorrry it took so long

ended up having a lot of things to troubleshoot

[novel heron]

oof, idk maybe take_ownership has some different behavior?
i'll try this out locally and see

[kind schooner]

the mod loads and everything it just does nothing

[kind schooner]

well it does something, it replaces red card with jimbo, which isn't the idea.

[hardy brook]

who ping me

[novel heron]

for me it looks like this (squished but still)

does Ryan.png even exist?

[kind schooner]

yea

[hardy brook]

how you do that?

[hardy brook]

oh that's the ping

what's that?

[novel heron]

so first of all, although it shouldn't matter, but still worth a try: rename the "Assets" folder to "assets" and rename the "Ryan.png" (in both locations) to "ryan.png" and then also replace every "Ryan" in your code with "ryan"

[gray cove]

Ryan ghosling 😭

[gray cove]

A YouTube video

[hardy brook]

oh

i forget why i was pinged

[stark shale]

ortalab video

[gray cove]

You probably mistook it for a cookie

EGG

[novel heron]

this is exactly how i have it and it works

Atlas({
    key = "ryan",
    path = "ryan.png",
    px = 640,
    py = 640
})
Joker:take_ownership("j_red_card", {
    atlas = "ryan",
    pos = {
        x = 0,
        y = 0
    }
}, true):register()

[hardy brook]

ortalab?

[gray cove]

A MOD FOR BALATRO

[novel heron]

@kind schooner is your png actually a png or did you just rename it?

[stark shale]

balala

[gray cove]

Balala latro

[hardy brook]

AH, I'M SORRY IF I ANGERED YOU!

[gray cove]

CAPS LOCK MY BAD

[hardy brook]

AHHH

[gray cove]

RAHHHHHH

[hardy brook]

I'M GONNA COLLAPSED ON MY KEYBOARD FROM DRINKING WINE

HEH

[novel heron]

i described above and below :D

[stark shale]

WHAT THE FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[gray cove]

ME WHEN THE WHINE ISNT RED

AHHHHHHHHH

this chat is unhinged

[kind schooner]

oh okay, so yes, i figured out the issue, for some reason when i have another mod enabled, even doe it has nothing to do with red card, it makes it not the thing it's supposed to be

any idea how to fix that? ❓ the mod in specific is a mod that changed the texture of legendary (it's a texture for legendaries)

[novel heron]

what is the other mod
-# please don't say nsfw

[gray cove]

Sending pngs of gifs because local thunk banned them and i dont have nitro

[novel heron]

send as video

[kind schooner]

it isn't but i'm afraid of posting it (like my reskin for the red card is odd too)

[unreal vault]

Epic shit

[novel heron]

aight i'm not gonna pressure you but then i also kinda can't help

you could censor the code or names or whatever

[kind schooner]

i can just dm if you'd like me to

[novel heron]

uhhhh fine

[swift matrix]

:3

[gray cove]

@hard plank you cooked with the freedom deck

Absolutely the best deck to ever exist and should be in the base game (its a little broken)

[whole nova]

success

[novel heron]

peak

[novel heron]

i need this

[old ridge]

What mods would you recommend for the most fun varied and chaotic games

Negatives, unique jokers, sleeves etc

New to balatro mods

[whole nova]

they're basically just an extension of stickers (like how paperback does paperclips) but they're so peak

[novel heron]

try this and see what sticks https://github.com/GayCoonie/Coonies-Mod-Pack-Neo/releases/tag/release-20250503a

[whole nova]

i just had to add 3.2 billion more functions

[novel heron]

that's half of cryptid's so i think ur fine

[hardy brook]

Ugh

Sorry if i was a dumbass lol

[whole nova]

lol fair

[novel heron]

as long as the cards don't suddenly transform to letters and make you play wordle we're okay

[whole nova]

they don't, at least not yet

[deft harbor]

That’s a different mod /gen

[whole nova]

ik lol, i was just messing around

[deft harbor]

OH NO I was replying to to strmnn lmao

[fallow parcel]

hey im trying to play the cryptid mod but whenever i try and launch my game i get this error pop up.
how can i fix it?

[dreamy abyss]

check your lovely install

[fallow parcel]

and this one too

how

[dreamy abyss]

is the dll file in the correct spot (in your Balatro root folder, with the game executable itself) and up to date?

[fallow parcel]

love.dll im guessing?

[dreamy abyss]

version.dll

[fallow parcel]

ah yeah that just wasnt even there

thanks its working how

[wise bear]

Made a custom joker for the first time :D I wanted to make one for a bit but only learned about the application for making one today. Also don't mind the common rarity I didn't really know what to set it as when I first made it but id probably put it at rare or uncommon

[old ridge]

It crashes after I try to start a blind, I can skip a blind but after that the game crashes, any ideas why?

[wise bear]

I also posted this on the subreddit and someone said it could probably even qualify as a legendary which seems kinda extreme but I'm not really a person who should be asked about this games balance lol

[swift matrix]

then... lovely wouldn't be trying to boot at all?

unlness you had really really old lovely

[fallow parcel]

dude i installed it in october i htink

[swift matrix]

do you for some ungodly readon have a file called "
dwmapi.dll "?

[fallow parcel]

doesnt look like it

[swift matrix]

ah okay, yeah then you must've had version.dll and it got deleted by your av at boot time

because that's the only other name lovely has ever had

[fallow parcel]

ah

well its good now

[swift matrix]

yeah, but you should add an exception in windows secirty for the folder

so it doesn't happen again

[fallow parcel]

good point

[swift matrix]

btw, it woulda been very werid if you woulda had this, because it's from over a year ago, lol

before anyone was really using lovely

[whole nova]

behold, the card of unintelligibility

[swift matrix]

what type of card modification is ink? a "sticker" or something brand new?

[lunar sluice]

disavow it with entropy to give it another info queue too and why not apply the like 7 stickers the mod has at the same time as well

[whole nova]

brand new, think paperclips from paperback

(they both work the same and i heavily referenced paperback when making them)

[swift matrix]

tbh it isn't that bad

though I can see why folk want multiiboxes

[lunar sluice]

it could be way worse with stickers tbh

[whole nova]

but yeah ink is just this

[swift matrix]

though I think the info queues should have mod badges

[lunar sluice]

even in vanilla it can get kinda bad

[swift matrix]

if that's possible

[swift matrix]

because that way you know what each component is from

[kind dust]

what does this joker mean?

[whole nova]

very, very, very, very, very, very big number

[kind dust]

can u explain the function of that joker?

[swift matrix]

basically it'jokers scale by x^8.32e12, and that goes up by 6.4e11 every round

[kind dust]

uhh

[swift matrix]

I think roughly

[kind dust]

thank you for explaining

[swift matrix]

is that a more or less accurate explanation? Algebra 2 was a long time ago

[whole nova]

no clue ngl, i'm not in math mode right now lol

that reminds me i need to check what i got on my algebra 2 test

[swift matrix]

pffft, very fair

[dawn lake]

Hey so for jokers that aren't the usual shape, are they put in the atlas a specific way so the stickers still apply properly and aren't just floating next to the joker?

[whole nova]

i can do math perfectly fine, and pretty good at it too, only when i'm in the mode for it

[swift matrix]

ah, you're a student still. If you're anything like me, whether you're good at it or not, math class is something you won't miss

[swift matrix]

same, with the addition that I despise it

[whole nova]

still hasn't been graded 💔

i have an A so i'll probably be fine

[swift matrix]

I'm sure you will be

[whole nova]

real lol

[swift matrix]

but yeah I went up to calc 2 in college... I got a b, but only because I procrastinated like crazy because it was one of those classes where every assignment could be done right before grades were due

but I hated every second

[whole nova]

i'll have to do pre-calc/calc for comp sci requirements but i think i'll do alright

a program in my state lets you go to community college your last 2 years of high school so that's the plan starting next year

[swift matrix]

yeah, it's not too bad, I did pre=calc and calc twice, both in high school and college, did well enough both times

[novel heron]

@swift matrix sorry

[swift matrix]

we have that too. I wasn't in it though. It's called Running Start in WA

[whole nova]

yup, that's the one

[swift matrix]

also wait... does that mean you're like 16?

impressive af

[whole nova]

turning 16 in a month!

[swift matrix]

did you replace your mods folder with just the provided Mods.zip?

[swift matrix]

you're over a decade ahead of me at all this then, lol

[harsh glacier]

despite only being 3 years older than you i feel old

🥀

[swift matrix]

thank you for @ing me, I missed that

[whole nova]

evidently balatro unites all ages lmao

[whole nova]

it's too late, you'll be 60 in a matter of months

[swift matrix]

makes sense. I mean it has very wide appeal

[stark shale]

gambling has a very wide appeal

[novel finch]

whats the discord command thingy for code boxes?

i forgot what it was

[swift matrix]

🎰 🎲 🎲

[whole nova]

`surround text in these`

surround text in these

[novel finch]

thanks i was doing like 4 of those

[whole nova]

```lua
print("lua codeblocks are like this")
```

[swift matrix]

you do 3 on each side

[whole nova]

print("lua codeblocks are like this")
local first = "you can even "
local second = "go multi-line!"
print(first .. second)

[swift matrix]

one is for in-line code snippets

[novel finch]

erm it keeps maxing my shit a file

[swift matrix]

that's fine

it embeds

[novel finch]

o thanks

[swift matrix]

what sucks is that this doesn't happen on phones and it just tells you the message is too long, sol

[craggy lantern]

could someone help me with replacing the textures for the ace cards? i can't figure out how with mods and the documentation is confusing me :P

[wraith seal]

good evening chat

[swift matrix]

ah... this is where the limitations of smods start to show a bit

it is possible but clunky

4 deckskin objects, one for each suit, just targeting Aces

[wraith seal]

the menacing "RESET SKILL TREE" button that can be used at the beginning of each run:

[craggy lantern]

and how do i do that? (/genuine)

[swift matrix]

so have you made any sort of mod before?

akso lets move to #💻・modding-dev

[whole nova]

how should i pizazz up this description?

[craggy lantern]

ah ok

[craggy lantern]

no, this is my first time

[stark shale]

yall got some cool facecards skins

[analog stirrup]

Anybody know of any more QOL mods?

-# QOL by the way stands for Quality of Life

[teal birch]

idk if thiis is particularly good but I've been drawing

[novel finch]

a beam at the tip of the prism would be cool

[teal birch]

at the tip?

[novel finch]

the top

pointy part

[teal birch]

the beam is at the side btw

why the tip

[novel finch]

i more so mean like 3 lines

middle left right

3 beams like that

[teal birch]

??

I don't follow

[novel finch]

😭

you've def seen this before

[teal birch]

not really

[plush hound]

i cant use it

it's like

greyed out

[novel finch]

random pic i found, not a ufo ofc but something like this

[wraith seal]

its only enabled on round 0

im pretty sure

[teal birch]

oh

eeeh it wouldn't really fit well with what a prism does

was thinking more like this

[novel finch]

i didnt consider that tbh

[left quest]

oh well, who need them

[wraith seal]

"playing a high card debuffs all played cards"

so you are telling me im losing like 1-4 cards 🥀

[left quest]

the solo carries the run

[dawn lake]

Ok so I have a joker design, but no idea what it'd do

Joker Speaker Box

[deft harbor]

washing machine my beloved

[swift matrix]

I mean, I think it's before scoring

not a permement debuff

it's set for most played hand I'm betting

[wraith seal]

i see

[left quest]

yep

[whole nova]

every blind i go... they won't leave...

[wraith seal]

wait wait wait wait whose mod is that

[storm forum]

the https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1326135270759993364

[swift matrix]

so yeah... that's in the category of boss blinds I wish to nuke from orbit

[whole nova]

the peak thing is that if you have a hand full of creased cards, the ones not included will just end up next in the discard queue

[swift matrix]

I play flushes, and well... if you built around any jokers that ask for a suit, you're boned

[left quest]

speaking of nuking boss from orbit

[whole nova]

like, i have 10 creased cards but only 8 hand size, if i discard 2 cards then i'll get the remaining 2 creased cards

[plush hound]

i can't remove the fucking Demult skill

help me

[swift matrix]

oh is that for that one boss that debuffs all vanillia suits?

[left quest]

yeah

[wraith seal]

😭 how??

[plush hound]

IDK I CANT DO OT

[whole nova]

truly harrowing

[plush hound]

how

like tell me

i can't decrease it

[wraith seal]

i literally just pressed the RESET SKILL TREE button

[plush hound]

IT DOESN'T WORK

[wraith seal]

try running Yggdrasil.reset_skill_tree() in debug plus' console

[plush hound]

urhrhurhrurh

dplus here i go

[wraith seal]

i mean, it should give the same results since the button uses that function

i have no clue why it didnt reset demulted though

[plush hound]

@swift matrix use Unjankify

[wraith seal]

blud done got distanced 😭

[plush hound]

LMAO

[wraith seal]

"To the corner you go!" type shi 😭

[plush hound]

its weird yeah

[plush hound]

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO

[swift matrix]

nah, just delete your config folder and use my settings for mods, which accidentally fixes that :P

fr though I guess that might be a good idea, as much as I don't feel like futzing around with cosmentic utility mods in my pack

[swift matrix]

furphobia

[wraith seal]

nuh

[swift matrix]

who tf replies 'nah' to a joke, lol :P

[wraith seal]

nuh

[swift matrix]

yes, you're right you did say 'nuh' not 'nah'

my b

[wraith seal]

what is this trash skill from the trash mod im seeing

[wise bear]

I was looking through the wiki to see how these would actually work and I got to the spectral cards and unsurprisingly these would be completely unbalanced with Baloney truck but it's really funny cause they're either way too good or made absolutely horrible maybe that person was right when they said this would constitute being a legendary

[spare depot]

welp, that's a problem

[swift matrix]

did you ever get this to work?

[plush hound]

you dont say that to every person who doenloaded your pack no?

its an ez fix too

[swift matrix]

no, and I explicedly don't beleive in imposing design

hence why it was more or less a joke

"add unjankify if you care" I guess would be a more authentic joke

but fr you're right

i need to just suck it up and add it

[spare depot]

tried reinstalling talisman, didn't work

[swift matrix]

this is uh... I don't even know if lovely is loading, let alone smods

it should say the game crashed isntead of something went wrong

but idk how you'd have to_big anywhere without both smods and lovely functioning tbh

[spare depot]

should I try reinstalling both of those?

[swift matrix]

what do you Mods and game (the one with the exe) folders look like?

[grand geode]

does Talisman not load?

[wraith seal]

https://gyazo.com/15d8d9c6947ebf30dc8459527f3bfd75

[swift matrix]

lovely seems to not have been invited to this party

version.dll is miissing

[wraith seal]

800 fucking chips

😭

actually, almost 900

[spare depot]

could have sworn I reinstalled lovely not that long ago

[swift matrix]

you should add an exception in Windows Security for the game folder

[swift matrix]

you probably did

Windows thinks it's a virus

[harsh glacier]

did someone say chips

[swift matrix]

it kinda is, but it only effects balatro, and that's how it's intended to work

so no cause for concern

[spare depot]

added version.dll back in, balatro functions now. Added an exception to the balatro folder in microsoft defender

[swift matrix]

ayy nice

[spare depot]

tried disabling the mods and now it's not being nice

[novel heron]

anyone know what the sorting here is based on?

other than absolutely nothing

[plush hound]

the one you typed in it

[swift matrix]

I think it's based on the order of the first ever time it appeared

[swift matrix]

the first time you typed in it ever

even if it's gone on and off the list since then

from what I can tell

[novel heron]

wtf

discord devs smoked crack implementing this

[spare depot]

welp, it's back to this, and I don't have any mods enabled (I have lovely installed though)

[swift matrix]

well... you need talisman

wait...

it's the same non-lovely crash

are you sure it's still there

[whole nova]

discord logic, aka throwing shit at the wall

[spare depot]

yes

[swift matrix]

is smods still there?

is it nested?

that may be the issue

[spare depot]

I moved everything out of mods, so probably

[swift matrix]

oh... huh... what the fuck is calling for to_big with no mods loaded

[wraith seal]

i dont see my mod on there

[swift matrix]

did you modify the exe manually?

[spare depot]

no?

[plush hound]

1 week after inactivity i presume

or 30 days

[wraith seal]

also, nxkoo, did it reset demulted?

[plush hound]

yes

[wraith seal]

cool

[plush hound]

-# and i also uninstalled it

[wraith seal]

its weird that it doesnt work

-# damn

[plush hound]

I WILL INSTALL IT BACK

[swift matrix]

so this is with an empty mods folder and with lovely?

[plush hound]

i was trying out coloniesn pack

[spare depot]

this is my mods folder now, I got rid of lovely too

[plush hound]

coonie's*

[harsh glacier]

colonies

[plush hound]

gay colonies

[swift matrix]

did it not create a lovely folder when you ran it?

[spare depot]

it did, still didn't work, so I tried removing version.dll and lovely

[wraith seal]

😭

[spare depot]

since I wanna play vanilla again

[swift matrix]

wait, this happens even if you remove version.dll?

[spare depot]

yep

[swift matrix]

yeah your exe got patched somehow

ait.. no

it's the config files

delete those

in /appdata/roaming/balatro/config

you can just clear it out

if it's not that, your save file is borked

[spare depot]

deleted all the config files

[swift matrix]

readd talisman and smods

[whole nova]

steel joker? dude, that's a crime

[swift matrix]

and version.dll ofc

[harsh glacier]

mario

[swift matrix]

when the game boots, which it should, go into talisman config, and set it to vanillia scoring

then close the game and try removing it again

[spare depot]

nope

[wraith seal]

what the fuck 369k lines

[swift matrix]

this is progress

[spare depot]

it is

[wraith seal]

is that why my game lags so bad 😭

[swift matrix]

show more of the error, the whole thing

ctrl c

[dawn lake]

Might add some Friends of Jimbo-style skins for the suits added in my mod, but I'm not sure which games to pick

[novel heron]

it's all words?

[wraith seal]

its all words, yes

[novel heron]

what did you expect

[wraith seal]

i

dont know

[novel heron]

[swift matrix]

oh this is aiko's, no?

it needs a dictionary

[spare depot]

that's all I got

[swift matrix]

lol

[wraith seal]

istg running balatro makes me feel like my pc can crash at any second now

[wraith seal]

famously known for letters, words and maths

[swift matrix]

it's dumping the profile, lol

i think it's just fucked

do you care about your profile?

[spare depot]

so delete balatro and reinstall it?

nah, got no save file for it

[swift matrix]

don't even have to do that, just delete the profile folder

[novel heron]

no just delete the 1 folder

[swift matrix]

1 I think it's called

[spare depot]

my highest stake on vanilla was only blue stake anyways

[swift matrix]

and remove all the mod stuff again while you're at it

should be a fresh balatro expereince

[spare depot]

nope

[wraith seal]

wha

[spare depot]

deleted profiles 1 and 2, since they were both modded

[swift matrix]

where the hell is it getting this big_num call from?

reverify game files on steam

that doesn't mean uninstall and reinstall

[harsh glacier]

balatro infected with the talisman curse

[spare depot]

didn't work

[swift matrix]

okay, maybe do reinstall just to save the pain of trouble shooting

uninstall on steam, nuke the balatro metadata folder

balatro appdata folder I mean

and then reinstall

the shitty thing is because of steamcloud that might not work

clear out your steamcloud for the game too, I'm sure there's a way to do that

that might be why just deleting your profiles didn't work

[spare depot]

yep, it's the steamcloud that's corrupted

[rigid jewel]

This is due to Talisman injecting the to_big function directly into your save file.

I think this got fixed on current release? Idk haven't checked.

[swift matrix]

well, you can just... as I said delete your saved steamcloud data

idk how to do that but i'm sure it's possible

[spare depot]

disabled steamcloud in settings and it's still not working

[swift matrix]

nuke the Balatro appdata folder

and relaunch

[spare depot]

it worked, finally

[swift matrix]

ayyyy

[spare depot]

is that normal? I could've sworn they were $4?

[dawn lake]

Do you have something that increases shop prices as a drawback perhaps?

Like, a voucher or joker or something

[spare depot]

this was my first time on this profile, that was still going through the tutorial

[dawn lake]

oh

[spare depot]

seems to have fixed itself now

arcana's are $4

[swift matrix]

I think you might have like.... bad ram?

not even kdding

[spare depot]

yep, it fixed itself. Maybe it was just the tutorial shop?

[wraith seal]

this is so dumb

[slate rapids]

how do install mods, ive done it for other games like guilty gear but it feels more complicated here lol

[dawn lake]

wait hold on does the tutorial like, increase the price of other stuff so you can't mess up the order of events or something?

[slate rapids]

why are the guides confusing lol

[steel patio]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1211716871267688488
there's a pretty succinct guide here

[swift matrix]

that's... abnormal

and it uh... was trying to take the computer down with it, was still lagging awfully while trying to write the crash screen

[kind dust]

what does s stand for after the num?

[swift matrix]

hardcrashed shortly after I screenshotted

[hard plank]

it's funny

[harsh glacier]

hi aikoyori

[swift matrix]

oh, it did actually copy the crash scheen this time

now I need to... capture the conditions of the crash like I just tried to

lol

[wraith seal]

aiko your tl;dr joker might be meta in my mod now

[swift matrix]

skipping and taking this tag makes it freeze and stack overflow

[vernal fulcrum]

an 's' is for plural

it is a feature of the english language to indicate that a word is plural

:3

[swift matrix]

even hovering over it and screenshotting made it hardcrash this time

[swift matrix]

@brave palm

[kind dust]

ahh i see

thanks dude

[exotic shadow]

the turoial increases the price of itmes in the first shop to prevent people from doing things in the wrong order

[slate rapids]

did i do it right lol

[vernal fulcrum]

yup

[slate rapids]

am i good now if i just throw mods in this folder

[hard plank]

what the fuck

[swift matrix]

oh, that's kinda grody actually

;p;

[wise bear]

What's the freedom deck do

[wise bear]

Grody?

[hard plank]

it allows you to put cards wherever

[wraith seal]

https://gyazo.com/15d8d9c6947ebf30dc8459527f3bfd75

[brave palm]

Hmmmm...., is it caused by this tag, this tag only trigger when you defeat the boss blind

[swift matrix]

i mean, skipping blind 1 worked just fine

[hard plank]

?????

[swift matrix]

and it seems very specifically that pishing skip there makes it freezy while the dog attempts to be added to the tag area

[harsh glacier]

gyazo ,,,,,,,

[swift matrix]

it freeses during the animation

[round pilot]

hey all, squid here

[steel patio]

version.dll is in the wrong spot im p sure

[hard plank]

version.dll goes in the game (the exe file) folder

[round pilot]

this is so stupid please add it

[civic atlas]

😭

[steel patio]

you'll wanna put it where the balatro executable is (if you have it on steam you can just right click balatro and go to manage > browse local files)

[wraith seal]

i did

tldr joker gives ~900 chips

[harsh glacier]

guys should i add yggdrasil cross mod in my. mod

[wraith seal]

😭

[brave palm]

Wait, I will check my code

[round pilot]

have you considered adding it

[harsh glacier]

consider the following

[wise bear]

Is coding in Lua hard. Idk how many of you are like experienced programmers or something but is it difficult to learn?

[round pilot]

it's the easiest to learn imo

[steel patio]

it's relatively easy afaik

[slate rapids]

how does one find that folder

[steel patio]

do you have balatro on steam

[slate rapids]

yea

[steel patio]

find balatro in your library, right click, then go into manage > browse local files

should go in that folder

[slate rapids]

okay so its just there

[steel patio]

yeag

[slate rapids]

time to see if my shit worked

all but one did

this one isnt working

v

https://www.nexusmods.com/balatro/mods/157

[brave palm]

Is there any item that related to skipping blind or tag?

[swift matrix]

item?

[brave palm]

like Joker, Voucher, Deck something like that

[swift matrix]

no, but I did just have a crash unrelated to your mod that was similar

[rigid furnace]

Misread this as what does e stand for and i was gonna say something about scientific notation but fuck

[swift matrix]

I was able to skip twice in a new run on ante 1 np

but then I got a stack overflow again after picking a joker outta some sorta modded joker pack

sorry for assuming it was just your mod

[brave palm]

No problem

[swift matrix]

specifically I got a modded pack from morefluff as a skip tag, and it overflows after I pick a joker

idk why some tags work and others crash in weird circumstances

[steel patio]

it looks like this one has a different install method

[swift matrix]

seems hard to troubleshoot too because idk the conditions for triggering it

[slate rapids]

interesting

[swift matrix]

this looks just to be bare shader files

[rigid jewel]

It's just file replace it looks like.

[slate rapids]

cool so where do i put em

[swift matrix]

into the exe, but like... prolly don't do that

[steel patio]

says at the bottom of the file desc

yyyeah

[swift matrix]

you can make a mod to emplace them properly

[hard plank]

good morning everyone

[swift matrix]

at least I think so

[exotic shadow]

wait a second I'm still awake

[swift matrix]

It's 10pm here and i've on;y been up for 7 hours, lol

[exotic shadow]

well yeah but I was awake when aikoyori went to sleep

[swift matrix]

well... awake time is twice as long as sleep time

by average and reccomendation

[harsh glacier]

its like afternoon for aiko lmao

truly the wonders of not sleeping

[swift matrix]

lol as I said I got up at 3pm today

I'm a nocturne

[slate rapids]

i dont get what it means by this :
Installation 7zip > balatro.exe > Resources/Shaders replace background.fs and splash.fs with the ones provided.

[swift matrix]

it means open the exe in 7zip and physically replace those files

which isn't an ideal way to do modding, but does work

[slate rapids]

7zip?

[swift matrix]

are you not familiar?

[slate rapids]

bro im so shit with computer nerd shit i just want cool trippy backround for funny card game 🫠

[swift matrix]

it's just a program you can search for and install

though lemme see something

[slate rapids]

didnt you say theres a better way, i should probably do that

[dreamy falcon]

Oops! The game crashed:
Syntax error: card.lua:5361: 'end' expected (to close 'function' at line 828) near '<eof>'

Additional Context:
Balatro Version: 1.0.1o-FULL
Modded Version: 1.0.0~BETA-0503b-STEAMODDED
LÖVE Version: 11.5.0
Lovely Version: 0.7.1
Platform: Windows

Stack Traceback

(3) C function 'function: 0x25c8cf38'
(4) global C function 'require'
(5) main chunk of file 'main.lua' at line 884
(6) global C function 'require'
(7) LÖVE function at file 'boot.lua:323' (best guess)
Local variables:
c = table: 0x25c8a5a8 {identity:false, version:11.5, accelerometerjoystick:true, modules:table: 0x25c8a5f8, gammacorrect:false, title:Balatro, externalstorage:false (more...)}
openedconsole = boolean: false
confok = boolean: true
conferr = nil
(8) global C function 'xpcall'
(9) LÖVE function at file 'boot.lua:362' (best guess)
Local variables:
result = boolean: true
(10) global C function 'xpcall'
(11) LÖVE function at file 'boot.lua:377' (best guess)
Local variables:
func = Lua function '(LÖVE Function)' (defined at line 355 of chunk [love "boot.lua"])
inerror = boolean: true
deferErrhand = Lua function '(LÖVE Function)' (defined at line 348 of chunk [love "boot.lua"])
earlyinit = Lua function '(LÖVE Function)' (defined at line 355 of chunk [love "boot.lua"])

keep getting this error trying to install lovely

could anyone be of assistance please?

[exotic shadow]

do you have bunco?

[dreamy falcon]

i do in my directory folder

[exotic shadow]

I think you need to get some fork of it

I don't know that much

[dreamy falcon]

fork of it? apologies idk what that means

[exotic shadow]

Someone else's version of the code

idk probably better lucj in their thread

[slate rapids]

what have you seen

[swift matrix]

givve a sec still

[slate rapids]

alr was jus making sure we good lol np

[hard plank]

holy shit adding random shit to my mod strategy

wait is the freedom deck even more broken than antimatter

[swift matrix]

now it's a normal smods mod

this is all there is to it with the shaders themselves in asseta/shaders

[slate rapids]

oh cool so this would just go in the mods place?

[swift matrix]

yep :3

I do reccomend just out of respect for the coder, changing the author field to be their actual name

not "whoever on nexus"

lmfao

[slate rapids]

wow this is siiiick thank you random person

[swift matrix]

yw :3 I'm not much of a coder at all, but I had a feeling this would be very simple

[wraith seal]

that looks like blood veins

[swift matrix]

it's super animated

[slate rapids]

now i just am looking for a fun texture pack to match my vibe

[swift matrix]

changed between different patterns

it's like a music visualizer

[slate rapids]

i love these kinda visuals

will make the game wild well high too lol

[swift matrix]

I will say, the way I did it means if any other mod replaces the splash or background, they'll probably overrwrite it

if that happens, just fuck with the priority

[swift matrix]

hehe :3 wish I could smoke pot. Samn probabtion

[hard plank]

i don't drink nor smoke

[swift matrix]

can't drink or smoke weed currently, but I do vape niccotine

which is... a wholly mediocre experience ngl

[slate rapids]

i wonder if it will be fine w/ this one

https://github.com/AutoWatto/CollabsReimagined

wait it doesnt have isaac nvm lol

actually i dont think i want to add anything more to my game than what i already have

[swift matrix]

you can have any number of deck skins without them interfereing or geting rid of the orignals

[slate rapids]

cool

[plush hound]

thank you gaycoonie

I've always wanted this but i dont have the balls to change the game's exe

[swift matrix]

Yw :3. Luckily swapping out assets wholesale with smods is something even I can fumble my way through

[novel heron]

hello modding-chat

[jade forge]

Vamp eating well tonight

[swift matrix]

Okay but what is an 'Lb' button?

Oh left bumper

I'm use to the l1/l2 convention

Uh... this is busted for high card brsinrot

Oh it got deleted

[dawn lake]

idk why i deleted that

uhh it was like "What rarity should this joker be" or something

[swift matrix]

So yeah because high card is unfortunately a poker hand, it's like legendary level

[wraith seal]

uncommon

[tropic egret]

well destroying cards is enough for a rare

[wraith seal]

or actually, yeah

[tropic egret]

that's like 4 cards

hot damn .

[wraith seal]

im used to scaling jokers being in uncommon

[hard plank]

destroy cards in where

[tropic egret]

destroy all played card

[hard plank]

oh

wait

[tropic egret]

well it should say "destroy all played cards without the Trident suit"

[swift matrix]

Tbh is you make it Scoring hamd/scoring cards it'll at least not be nmga busted

[wraith seal]

"not in Trident suit" is weird ngl

[hard plank]

holy shit i am illiterate

[tropic egret]

in fairness it's a weird construction

with the wrong conjunction

oh that rhymed

ew.

[wraith seal]

play yggdrasil with aikoyori's shenanigans to get 5 free levels

[dawn lake]

Sorry, sometimes I'm not that good with wording stuff

[swift matrix]

As someone why likes linguistics I think it's fairly standard english

[dawn lake]

Yea I was thinking of changing Played to Scored so its a bit less broken

[swift matrix]

A card being in a suit is how I think of them

[tropic egret]

it's the wrong conjunction as in it's inconsistent with vanilla wording

yeah it's fine english wise but in this context it's misinterpretable

[dawn lake]

So is this better wording?

[tropic egret]

"with X suit"

[swift matrix]

With is better though anyway because it leaves room for multiple suit cards

[polar oyster]

ahead, hi everyone

[swift matrix]

Yes I knew with was the vanilla wording

[tropic egret]

i love ahead

[swift matrix]

Yes

[tropic egret]

this thing is really painful to balance

i just had a showman run where i got like 5 of them

[swift matrix]

And it's still arguably legendary powerful, but at least it doesn't outstrip them badly

[swift matrix]

To this i meant

[tropic egret]

yeah

should be legendary due to it's deckfixing and xmult scaling

it's like 2 rares combined

[polar oyster]

Sound op, make if you already don't have enough hands, then it is destroyed?

[tropic egret]

x0.5 for each card is like x2 for a one card hand

[hard plank]

you're getting blackmailed

[tropic egret]

blackmail is both better and worse than it looks

[dawn lake]

Should I change it to x0.25?

[polar oyster]

hi akyr

[tropic egret]

tbh i'd put it as x0.05

for rares

[umbral pilot]

aiko please don't blackmail people

[swift matrix]

Also @plush hound I am adding unjankify. I just can't push an update arm because the game suddenly turned very unstable

[dawn lake]

Alright

[tropic egret]

pfft

[swift matrix]

I don't think it's unjankify doing it but yeah

[swift matrix]

I should use this on winlator, lol

[polar oyster]

Replace money with aiko backs, cost 100 Skill Point

[umbral pilot]

nvm blackmail is cool

[harsh glacier]

oh REALLY now

[hard plank]

😭😭😭😭

[wraith seal]

really

[polar oyster]

I was referring to this message

[tropic egret]

having like 5 blackmails is funny because you watch the boss blind get rerolled 5 times and then it lands on the water and you perish

[harsh glacier]

hi guys

[tropic egret]

hi haya

[hard plank]

where do i put this aiko money

[wraith seal]

hi hhh

[tropic egret]

did you have use for the first ahead btw

[polar oyster]

hi ahead enjoyer!

[harsh glacier]

its the upside down ahead

[tropic egret]

oh my god it's a head

[polar oyster]

Put it like DVD, that moves /j, or make button that reverse money and show aiko money

I'm not good with ideas

[twin forge]

whats the mod that allows you to drag your mouse over cards and it'll select?

[umbral pilot]

handy

[hard plank]

Handy

[half harness]

Handy

[hard plank]

hi ethan

[umbral pilot]

I can't send handy with 6 exclamation points

handy!!!!

nvm

[tropic egret]

handy!!!!!!

[wraith seal]

handy!!!!!!

[hard plank]

innovation

[twin forge]

i seee

[umbral pilot]

oh gifs have been blocked

[hard plank]

yep

[umbral pilot]

just imagine I sent a really cute cat gif

[hard plank]

localthunk no like gif

[swift matrix]

Stickers too

[umbral pilot]

dang

[dawn lake]

hey uh how do i draw the font used for legendary jokers?

[umbral pilot]

[swift matrix]

I'm stuck with emojis

[pallid fern]

keep getting this error when playing my first hand of the game, anyone know what's up?

[hard plank]

i just didn't bother with it

[swift matrix]

[hard plank]

and draw my own

[swift matrix]

There is a approximate version you can copy from

[wind turtle]

There is a few fan made fonts.

[wanton rapids]

there isn't a font really just draw stuff that looks similar

[polar oyster]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1270746376312979456 ‼️ ‼️

[hard plank]

@round pilot

[polar oyster]

The easiest option is to simply copy letters from other legendary ones

[polar oyster]

Huh, where. I need

[whole nova]

this chat is like if the other channels in this server were good

[wind turtle]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1224362333208444989

[wanton rapids]

also copying from that could lead to kerning(?) issues

[swift matrix]

I mean that's easier said than done. Nothing wrong with taking the lazy way