⚙・modding-general

[swift matrix]

But it's silly

[harsh glacier]

it still is in my heart

[vernal hare]

and main is gonna be the home of releases

[clear cobalt]

so staging is where you would put the changes from dev into for testing and having a place where you can make those changes

then staging goes into main

[vernal hare]

right

i wanna start out with this mod being large

but i wanna add more to it

as time goes on

[clear cobalt]

so dev is the most up to date, with all the feature branches off of it, then you merge dev into staging and do testing, then after testing, you merge into main and make a release

[swift matrix]

This is better than what some people do where main is the unstable branch and then they have a 'release' branch

[vernal hare]

thing about dev is sometimes it’s just gonna be. completely broken

[clear cobalt]

and that's fine

that's the point of dev

[swift matrix]

Which screws with green code button users

[clear cobalt]

its not a "golden" branch

[vernal hare]

staging is gonna work but it hasn’t been tested thoroughly yet

and then main is 99% sure it’s stable

[clear cobalt]

you merge dev into staging with the new changes, and do the fixes there

and do the thurough testing, before going into main

[vernal hare]

oh btw if anyone wants to peek in my codebase and see if there’s any optimizations to make feel free to make a PR

WAIT SHIT

NO LICENSE 😭

i need to add a license to my code like. now

[clear cobalt]

this ensures main stays stable, and you have a silo for testing "staging", and then you have another silo for broken shit "dev"

[vernal hare]

makes sense

[slate smelt]

bmm says my balatro directory is invalid what do i lead it to?

[vernal hare]

and i’m already familiar with git

[vernal hare]

away from your computer

[swift matrix]

Some people swear up and down that all mods that rely on smods are gpl by default, but some people say that's nonsense. I don't know which to say either way

[vernal hare]

that’s nonsense

that’s like saying that if you used a library then you automatically use its license

[stark summit]

quick question. where should i look to see what caused this crash?
im trying to get this seed but it crashes on going to the shop

[vernal hare]

you have none of that library’s code in your repo

i’m not bundling smods with my repo

[slate smelt]

so on the c:???

[vernal hare]

i’m implying that you should not use bmm

and should instead mod it manually

[slate smelt]

im sorry i really dont know how to fix this

ive tried that and it hasnt worked

[vernal hare]

wait

are you using proton

on linux

out of curiosity

[clear cobalt]

basil you talking to galahad

[vernal hare]

i don’t know this person

i’m taking every shot

[slate smelt]

no why?

[clear cobalt]

this looks like a jens problem

[vernal hare]

there’s a weird extra step if you do

[slate smelt]

thats very specific

[clear cobalt]

Wait hold on

are there no mods showing up at all?

[swift matrix]

It seems complicated but not that you're totally free from the xiptleft nature of the gpl
https://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/s/p2BP01kB85

[clear cobalt]

like in game

or are you just worried about there not being much stuff showing up in the log

[vernal hare]

yeah that seems dumb as shit because i’m not compiling it

i’m not linking the library

they aren’t attached to eachother

wouldn’t really apply here?

i don’t think?

i’m gonna GPL it anyways

idrgaf

[swift matrix]

I get that argument but I'm sure as shit glad that modders don't have a good claim to be able to make their mods incompatible with the gpl. Could make my modpacking more difficult.

[vernal hare]

i gpl things i make because i believe in open source

[swift matrix]

But yeah I specifically looked for an example where it is totally seperate

[clear cobalt]

Is the license important for IP stuff, in my personal projects i've never really messed around with it.

[swift matrix]

I don't even believe in intellectual property law, I just don't want drama

[clear cobalt]

that's what I'm getting at, what's the potential drama

[vernal hare]

i think IP law is good when it isn’t abused

[harsh glacier]

it's not like anyone is making a profit out of balala mods

[vernal hare]

some balatro mods could honestly be put into the game as DLC

[clear cobalt]

let's add microtransactions to the next version of smods /j

[vernal hare]

500 balalacoins for $5

if you get 10,000 balalacoins you get a complimentary picture of blueprint and brainstorm kissing

[clear cobalt]

immediatly banned from r/balatro

[swift matrix]

Tbh not much that licensing would fix. Even under gpl I'd have a social obligation to comply with requests that mods not be included in my modpack

[vernal hare]

Meowdy!

i might just MIT license my shit honestly

i’m not looking for trouble but i just wanna be credited for whatever i make

[swift matrix]

Yeah that wouldn't make any difference to my modpacking, as MIT is compatible with being redistributed as gpl. Nor am I even sure which mod is yours and if it's the type of thing I'd play and include

[vernal hare]

https://github.com/fluxc0/astropulvis

incredibly unfinished

the little bit of python is just a utility script independent of the mod

[iron cedar]

that aint right

[vernal hare]

error 7

S

[iron cedar]

3.5 instead of .35 lol

[swift matrix]

I need up have a cheap laptop or something in the house so I'm not stick using winlator and termux on an android tablet to do modpsck stuff if I'm not out in my trailer

It... isn't a fun way to do things

[agile pawn]

I have steamodded installed via mod manager and it's telling me I need it

[wind turtle]

Try uninstalling it and reinstalling it through the mod manager.

[agile pawn]

tried that twice but I'll do it one more time then try the github

it was telling me I needed talisman updated earlier but I reinstalled both and it fixed for talisman but not steamodded

[agile pawn]

updating with the latest release on the github page worked just fine

[plush hound]

s

[hard plank]

honestly the no disable is for ante 9 and higher

these are probably not gonna counter certain strategies

[agile pawn]

okay so

what's the deal with cryptid glitched cards

cause I'm checking editions and enhancements but glitched isn't in either

all my glitched 3s aren't counting as 3s and they don't make a pair if I put two together

[earnest eagle]

+40 chips

Glitched is an Edition, it has a dedicated deck

[agile pawn]

Idk why it's not under editions then in my collection

all I've got is negative, holo, foil, gold, and base

rest are unknown

[agile pawn]

my glitched lucky 3 of diamonds just did x0.4 chips when it was in hand wtf

[wind belfry]

hey guys just letting everyone know i have managed to find out how to mod ios balatro

[hard plank]

did you select mainline gameset

[agile pawn]

yea

[hard plank]

there u go

[agile pawn]

my issue isn't that I have it as unknown

my issue is that I have glitched cards but it doesn't show me glitched in editions

I thought it would show me what glitched cards do when I got one like with gold cards

[hard plank]

i wonder if it's because setting glitch directly doesn't unlock it idk

[agile pawn]

I have it now for some reason but earlier it wasn't working

turning my lucky 3s into glitched cards stopped them from counting for flush fives which instantly killed the run

[hard plank]

i don't think it was supposed to randomise the number on the card

[wanton rapids]

oh you actually did it

[hard plank]

it's too funny not to

but i don't want to ruin your eardrums so the volume in the code is at 0.1

[harsh glacier]

1 billion lovely patches later to separate my witty joker comments from the actual description

[hard plank]

isn't this just a better oil lamp

[wanton rapids]

value multiplication my beindifferented

it's better than gemini from cryptid too which is probably a bit much

[harsh glacier]

it is a very buggy oil lamp

note that its a passive joker

so it doesnt stack unless you stick an oil lamp or gemini to it

[wanton rapids]

i see

[hard plank]

i think the bosses that can't be rerolled should do something that won't kill the run

just cripples it

a bit

[wanton rapids]

fair enough

[agile pawn]

Code deck is refusing to unlock

I got a rigged joker on 2 non-seeded runs

best popcorn ever

[hard plank]

cinema

[agile pawn]

I may or may not have just accidentally turned chad joker + mime into a particle accelerator

[wanton rapids]

assuming wild cards get reworked to wild rank and suit, would 5 wild cards be a straight spectrum flush five?

[agile pawn]

1 gold card has produced $600

I did not mean to do that

:D

[hard plank]

what does this achieve

[agile pawn]

literally nothing

I thought it would do somehting

it does nothing

I think it's kinda funny

[polar oyster]

"Balanced!"?

[storm forum]

-# Rigging a OA6 should set probability to 0, lmao.

[plush hound]

Rigging the rigger

[plush hound]

oh i like this

[polar oyster]

I wanted to name silly joker instead of absurd, but cryptid has silly joker(

[harsh glacier]

"silly synonyms"

[agile pawn]

have it be silly joker, but check for cryptid, and if the person has both installed then rename silly joker to silly(er) joker

trust

[polar oyster]

the most silliest joker

[hard plank]

jamboree joker

[agile pawn]

guys

uh oh

[polar oyster]

you remove mod that can made speed faster

[agile pawn]

No it was set to 8 a second ago

and I haven't removed any mods

I think it's trying to speed up cause I may or may not be retriggering 5 red seal gold with mime/chad joker/blueprint but it's not actually speeding up

[plush hound]

do NOT mod in too many mods, the sound starts vanishing one by one

[agile pawn]

why do you have every UI mod known to man

I need to know what bro is trying to make his HUD look like

[plush hound]

just watch

actually imma make it worse

[agile pawn]

we've finally hit the 5th gold red seal in my hand

maybe I'll finally be done with the retriggers within the hour

[swift matrix]

Balatro should be like a casino, no clocks in sight

[plush hound]

what about those people with watches

[swift matrix]

I wear a watch and never check it, so...

[agile pawn]

I prefer SystemClock, unless that is SystemClock, then I prefer the other way to have it set up in the top left

[swift matrix]

In other news, looks like there's updates and new mods to add to new pack tonight

Pretending that anyone actually plays my modpack

[agile pawn]

okay so digital hallucinations + oops all sixes + chad joker = wuh duh helllll

[exotic belfry]

cursed

[orchid sedge]

raises hand
Where does one find steammodded beta-0419b?

[orchid sedge]

i did that, but it didn't give me the correct version

[exotic belfry]

Is the mod you're playing specifically looking for that version? If so you may be out of luck

[orchid sedge]

its the cryptid mod. it's not a big deal if that's the case

[exotic belfry]

I think it should be fine? Not too keen on what versions Cryptid wants nowadays. Also, I just checked the repository and it seems the current version is what you're looking for

[orchid sedge]

hm

[exotic belfry]

Double check the version.lua in the zip you have

[orchid sedge]

ok i see my problem. I have one mod that's not up to date with the cryptid mod i'm trying to play

[exotic belfry]

Ah that'll do it

[orchid sedge]

one is asking for a previous patch of steammodded

[agile pawn]

welp

I'm bored of my current run

time to use a crash

my game is going RGB

[harsh glacier]

😭

[exotic belfry]

Always destroying blueprint lol

[hard plank]

hi astra

[exotic belfry]

Hi Aiko

I made new backs today

[exotic belfry]

flamey blinds

[exotic belfry]

that's funny

[hard plank]

these are easier blinds from my mod 😭😭😭

[exotic belfry]

finally
less shenannigans

[exotic belfry]

LMAO

[hard plank]

cannot be rerolled

[exotic belfry]

no kidding

[hard plank]

even if you set the thing

[wanton rapids]

hyperjimbo now has an explanation of tetration on it

[west hill]

Wonder how this would work with some stuff I’m doing in ortalab 🤔

[sterile hornet]

I like this one

and the reference

[hard plank]

-# what reference

[hard plank]

I'll be happy to test

once that's out ofc

[hard plank]

also are you using get_new_boss()

[west hill]

Yes

But there are two bosses

[hard plank]

ah

[west hill]

Yes I will break your not rerollable feature 😅

[hard plank]

this will definitely break

[storm forum]

Smashing limits.

[hard plank]

I'm going to the arcade

not gonna think about this right now

I'll work out the compat once ortalab updates

it's fineeee

[exotic belfry]

overriding both boss choices is diabolical

[full edge]

I'm curious how you decide when a system you're working on is just for Ortalab, or when you think SMODS might need it, Eremel

[harsh glacier]

🤔

[hard plank]

fucked up

that gave me an idea

[exotic belfry]

Uh oh

[hard plank]

writing this down

[swift matrix]

this looks like a color theme I would make, lol

[hard plank]

for the record the colour scheme is on ms extension store

[swift matrix]

good that even microshit users get nice color scehemes :P

[blissful stag]

1 in 2

[harsh glacier]

1 in 2

[hard plank]

made by me...

[swift matrix]

oh that wasn't clear, well I clearly like the theme, just not microsoft, lol

good job :3

[hard plank]

1 in 2

[grand geode]

Eremel what did you do

[vague pasture]

this has been the most scuffed run ive ever had

it was supposed to be a full house run

supposed to be

[swift matrix]

I mean, red seal jack lacky cat lucky flush five with sock and buskin doesn't seem too scuffed

[vague pasture]

check the hands list

earth just never showed up lmao

[swift matrix]

lol, sometimes it just be like that

flush five is way easier to buld anyway ngl

[vague pasture]

dna only showed up in like ante 5

[blazing verge]

Is there a quantum editions mod somewhere?

as in, have several editions on one card

[hard plank]

wtf is mocha mike

[vague pasture]

o7

[gray delta]

fr

[vague pasture]

its a vinesauce bit apparently but i havent heard of it before

[hard plank]

repost

24 blinds

my mod has 24 blinds

[plush hound]

Hypercube + whatisthis + Michael Rosen + Doodle Kosmos

[hard plank]

it has TWENTY NINE jokers

today

we make 5 blinds

or 6 depending on my mood

[west hill]

I made blind choices

[gray delta]

would it be find_joker("flower_pot") or find_joker("Flower Pot")?

[storm forum]

SMODS.find_card('j_flower_pot'), even.

[gray delta]

next(SMODS.find_card('j_flower_pot')) this would return true if the player has flower pot right thanks

[plush hound]

okay so many mods that i have to update

morefluff, toga, aiko

uhhh

i guess seals too

[swift matrix]

you're someone who should 100% have a local modpack with git

lol

[gray delta]

are oyu the guy with the massive modlist

oh wait you are

wjen my mod comes out can u add it

[harsh glacier]

this guy LOVES tetrations

[blissful stag]

wait till he hears about pentations

[plush hound]

that's me yes

[swift matrix]

like deadass though, make a git repo and use "git submodule add [github url] [folder for mod]" for each mod, and then you can update everything at once with "git submodule update --recursive --remote --init --merge" and just clear your mod folder and copy everything from the git repo folder there

[plush hound]

sure

[plush hound]

tried using git once

my laptop bricked

aint doing it again

[harsh glacier]

issue with skill

[plush hound]

skin tissue i know

[plush hound]

i need mods with tetration that's NOT Cryptid or Jen's Almanac

[gray delta]

how???

[plush hound]

WHO KNOWS

[swift matrix]

eczema

[wanton rapids]

morefluff has tetration without talisman

in the next update

[plush hound]

revolutionary

is the hyperjimbo in the dev version of morefluff?

[wanton rapids]

releasing in approximately 5 minutes

[swift matrix]

I hate hate hate cli on windows

[wanton rapids]

hyperjimbo that requires talisman is in the release build

[swift matrix]

but... I don't window

[plush hound]

lin*x

[plush hound]

good

cuz im about to experiment

I'm gonna try to collect

1. Michael Rosen
2. whatisthis
3. Hyperjimbo
4. Facile
5. Pi

in Equilibrium Deck

[wanton rapids]

https://github.com/notmario/MoreFluff/releases/tag/1.4.2 4 minutes

[plush hound]

still recommended

[full edge]

i literally just downloaded morefluff, i should've used the toilet for a minute longer

[plush hound]

i wonder if i can add it to the forbidden device

since it doesn't use talisman anymore

[grand geode]

it's not like you can't use talisman there

[plush hound]

i mean true

but mods with complicated shaders will crash the game there

[grand geode]

skill issue, patch the shaders yourself

[plush hound]

boo

[grand geode]

(this is why i don't have Brainstorm)

[west hill]

Shaders crash with talisman?

[grand geode]

(or Malverk)

[wanton rapids]

actually i should try using my forbidden device

[grand geode]

shaders crash on the forbidden device

[west hill]

Oh right yeah

Does Malverk crash on the device too?

[plush hound]

i could try

[grand geode]

it does

[plush hound]

oh it does?

that sucks

[west hill]

rip

Is it the shader crash

[grand geode]

it is

[swift matrix]

If it's the forbidden device I'm thinking, I think I'd rather live with the suffering of winlator

[west hill]

I should fix that

[plush hound]

it is what you think it is

[plush hound]

Ace

[tropic egret]

just the two

[grand geode]

so jolly

[plush hound]

Just the two of us

[dreamy abyss]

that is just all you get

[tropic egret]

nope that's not jolly

[grand geode]

I Know

[tropic egret]

hm...

2 + 2 = 3

i understand

[grand geode]

grim gives glass ace breaks hand 1 gg

[tropic egret]

this actually happened my first playthrough

[wanton rapids]

what's the deck?

[plush hound]

two aces

[tropic egret]

2 aces

[wanton rapids]

ah

[tropic egret]

start with two aces and grim. must play 3 of a kind

[plush hound]

idk why i even ported this 😭

[tropic egret]

chat i just got the mobile controls mod for mobile

[plush hound]

forbidden device**

[wanton rapids]

for what?

[tropic egret]

forbidden device**

[wanton rapids]

ah

interesting

[plush hound]

do not anger the thunk

[tropic egret]

i don't do nonpc modding

[plush hound]

PC MODS ONLY

[tropic egret]

but i have mobile controls on mobile

no one will know how

[wanton rapids]

actually how do you mod the forbidden device

[grand geode]

forbidden device maker

[raw cloak]

if i install mods like joker display and handybalatro will my steam achievements get disabled?

[wanton rapids]

you can turn achievements back on in steamodded

[dreamy abyss]

yeah that

[raw cloak]

oo okok

where can I get reourcepacks

resource packs*

[wicked jasper]

just look around

[plush hound]

forbidden maker

github

[wanton rapids]

i got that far

[storm forum]

That... makes sense in Minecraft with 'resource packs', but what do you imply here instead? If reskins, #1300851004186820690 message

[plush hound]

goodluck

you gotta be really picky

[wanton rapids]

ah i see

[gray delta]

wha

does this error happen often or do i need to provide more context

[obsidian summit]

Hi, joined the server to ask for help with the crash. I made quite a huge pack and it crashes randomly, sometimes after beating a Blind, sometimes after opening a booster pack. This is from the most recent crash where my game crashes after opening an Arcana pack. Any ideas which mod causes these crashes?

[tropic egret]

well first try

surely i buff this

[pseudo quail]

bump, i want more thoughts on how balanced this is

[gray delta]

yeah I'm getting this exact error? this happens when i start a new run after cards have been destroyed

[grand geode]

Talisman moment

[wanton rapids]

seems interesting

[tropic egret]

outscales trib really quickly

i have issues with the wording but otherwise it's a neat idea for a legendary

but yeah scales really fast lmao

maybe give it 0.3x

not entirely sure

[pseudo quail]

scaling is not static, but dynamic - it's the discard requirement /10
the description updates when it changes

[tropic egret]

oh hm

[pseudo quail]

i do think the wording is off, but i'm unsure how to improve it

[tropic egret]

well XChips and XMult have no spaces

Switches should be Swaps

and don't use "rerolls" for something that isn't a shop reroll

[pseudo quail]

that makes sense - but how should i refer to it then

[tropic egret]

selected really should be chosen because selected should refer to playing cards selected

so just "adds XMult to unchosen value" or something

maybe adds multiplier works fine

[tropic egret]

changes every round, like idol

just "changes" in this case

[gray delta]

does anyone here have a mod with a blind that destroys cards

i need to see the code 🤔

[civic atlas]

try going to #💻・modding-dev

[blissful stag]

what should i even have the rarity set as

should i make a rarity called Postcommon

[civic atlas]

fuck is postcommon

[blissful stag]

a tier below rare but higher than uncommon

[civic atlas]

i think this should just be like a rare

its always good unless you hit 1 in 16 chance

[harsh glacier]

i have a joker that gives x20 mult with a chance of giving x0 instead

[blissful stag]

should i make it destroy itself when you do hit that chance

since yknow its a mine

specifically a mine turtle

[harsh glacier]

feel like it makes sense if it does

[blissful stag]

and it explodes

[harsh glacier]

'Hello!'

[civic atlas]

take out adjacent jokers too

[blissful stag]

thats just brutal

[civic atlas]

well its supposed to be risky right

[wanton rapids]

Somewhat Uncommon

[blissful stag]

well for X4

i guess for early game

[harsh glacier]

Somecommon ,,,,

[blissful stag]

Mostlycommon

[harsh glacier]

i wanna go back to the baronness idea where i make an entirely new rarity for it

[tropic egret]

Swaps between XChips and XMult
after each hand played
After N cards discarded
[number] remaining
unchosen value gains x0.N
then choose new random N
Currently [number] [xchips/xmult]
Other value: [number] [xchips/xmult]

@pseudo quail

¯_(ツ)_/¯

you can store whether the current value is xchips and xmult with another variable

[pseudo quail]

it is stored in a variable, yeah

[tropic egret]

the random value for N is irrelevant imo

so you don't need to write it down

the gaining of x0.N is more important

[plush hound]

please tell me this probabilities isn't modded

[tropic egret]

> creates a legendary joker
> soul creates a fourth arrowhead

[wanton rapids]

it's like 0.3% right

[civic atlas]

thunk pls make arrowhead legendary 🙏

[plush hound]

Arrowhead buff 🔥

[civic atlas]

arrowtorso

[harsh glacier]

. what does the nope on the right do

[wanton rapids]

no charm?

[civic atlas]

is from rift raft i think

[plush hound]

it's from rift raft

basically I can't store soul

[plush hound]

holy shit

[civic atlas]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1213539866889945109/1360898006387523714/GoQqbJtXoAAdzXW.gif

[civic atlas]

😭

https://tenor.com/view/cat-angry-cat-on-head-yelling-funny-gif-25901333

[tropic egret]

i CANNOT believe localthunk and the balatro balancing team made this a uncommon. ALL CARDS give 50 chips even the consumables and the jokers and held in hand. are they stupid? why is this uncommon

[plush hound]

broken

thunk plz fix

[civic atlas]

toby fox ahh

[tropic egret]

i wanna make that a mod now

[civic atlas]

please do

[wanton rapids]

sharpie balala?

[tropic egret]

"Balatro"

Bro What\

[civic atlas]

B ro

[full edge]

@wanton rapids Out of curiosity why are Color cards Color cards?

[plush hound]

ARROWHEAD FTW 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🗣️🔥🗣️💯🔥🗣️🔥🗣️💯🔥🗣️🔥

[hard plank]

you commit

[civic atlas]

bro you gotta get another 2 arrowheads

you just gotta

[plush hound]

into the bit way too deep

[plush hound]

impossible since Analog will destroy the joker

[civic atlas]

just get negative jokers

i mean the invisible

joker

i cant speak

why did i say negative

[wanton rapids]

uh because i couldnt think of another set of things

[civic atlas]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1317464848669343817/1350065262954680361/cohort_takeover.gif

[full edge]

I need more fluff to add a 45 degree version of every base joker as well

[civic atlas]

notmario please add 45 degree rotated 45 degree rotated tarot cards

[full edge]

Hahaha good enough. It works for me as a consumable type, but I was wondering if there was any reasoning behind it besides 'watching paint dry' being their mechanic haha

[harsh glacier]

we need more cross mod 45 degrees rotated tarot cards

i feel like im the only person who made one

[civic atlas]

chat hear me out

what if

[wanton rapids]

rotated tarots are because inverted tarots are common, sideways tarots were eventually going to happen, so i did 45 to get ahead of the curve

[civic atlas]

46 degree rotated tarot

[harsh glacier]

5 pixel difference

ship it

[full edge]

If people pitch me alternative versions of each enhancement in Kino, I'll gladly implement them. No clue what one letter change I can make to most of my enhancement names, though, haha

[wanton rapids]

anything that rhymes should be fine

[full edge]

Sci-fi... Wi-fi??? Is that anything?

[harsh glacier]

also mr notmario are you using fast rotation for rotarots

[wanton rapids]

im using whatever aseprite does by default

rotsprite?

[harsh glacier]

i cannot for the life of me get the rotarot to look exactly right like other rotarots do when rotated

The Greed! uses rotsprite and it looks less jagged so its not that

[wanton rapids]

hm

[harsh glacier]

but even using fast rotation there's a stupid ass inconsistency

[full edge]

I could do Reaction for Action cards, I guess. Fantasy is impossible. Bankruptcy, does that work?

[wanton rapids]

retriggers once for each scored wi-fi card(?)

factory?

[full edge]

Ooh, that's good. A juxtaposition that embodies Tolkien, haha

[wanton rapids]

look marigold is already a stretch you're allowed to have it be distant

[plush hound]

Peak Fiction

[harsh glacier]

LIVE BALATRO 1.1 RELEASE REACTION (GONE SEXUAL)

[full edge]

I did make some notes on movies I think could make for more fluff crossover jokers. Though most of it is me deciding a movie's 'yucky' and feeling it'd be a good yucky synergy

[harsh glacier]

is joker 2 in kino

[plush hound]

Emoji Movie with Yucky enhancement

[harsh glacier]

now with 20% more yucky

[wanton rapids]

could do movies about mathematicians for monus card

[full edge]

Not yet, I don't know what effect I'd give it. But tbh, Joker one isn't in there yet either, because I've not yet decided whether I want to set up a Kino version of every base game joker

What's your favorite movie, notmario?

[wanton rapids]

i... have not watched many movies

[full edge]

That must make it easier to choose one, if you've seen less, right? Haha

[civic atlas]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1213539866889945109/1360898006387523714/GoQqbJtXoAAdzXW.gif

[harsh glacier]

if you were to ask me what my favorite movie was i would die on the spot

[full edge]

Doesn't have to be pretentious, I've already monopolized the pretentious movie guy niche in this server, after all

[harsh glacier]

the most recent movie i watched was the mario movie

[wanton rapids]

i am currently dying on the spot

[vernal hare]

make a joker based around 21

that movie about card counting

[full edge]

I haven't played your mod yet so I'm not yet considering crossover content 😋

[civic atlas]

is there a shawshank redemption joker

[full edge]

Next update, yeah

[harsh glacier]

you should play my mod it has monopoly in it

[civic atlas]

siickkk

[plush hound]

you should play joyousspring

[civic atlas]

gotta be my favorite movie

[harsh glacier]

you should play joyousspring

[full edge]

I'm also considering whether it'd be fun to set up Pokermon crossover stuff by just adding all 25 pokemon movies to Kino when Pokermon is on

[grand geode]

you should play joyousspring

[pseudo quail]

...wait, i realised that you want me to literally write N for the value
i feel like that's going to make it worse

[tropic egret]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fallow bramble]

Noo notmario you have so more fluff to live for

[tropic egret]

you can and a bit to the side saying N = variable

Swaps between XChips and XMult
after each hand played
After [number] cards discarded
[number] remaining
unchosen value gains x0.[number]
then choose new number
Currently [number] [xchips/xmult]
Other value: [number] [xchips/xmult]

or do that

[harsh glacier]

what is this, math

can't believe people have the audacity to put math in balatro

[full edge]

Jaya if you link your thread rn I'll play your mod right now, haha

[harsh glacier]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1358990385799757884

everyone gets my name wrong 😭

[civic atlas]

average modded ≥legendary joker

[full edge]

It's because your name tag is wrong ❤️

Next Kino update adds bureaucracy. I should add math next

[harsh glacier]

also download from github because 0.0.1 is outdated

[wanton rapids]

actually let me look at the kino jokers i havent played it yet

[grand geode]

i called you haya because that was your display name </3

[full edge]

yeah, you get me, do not reply ping

[civic atlas]

add bee movie

[grand geode]

i gotchu Ice (Balatro Goes Kino)

[wanton rapids]

beelatro compat?

[full edge]

got it noted down as cryptid crossover content, but not sure yet what I want it to do

I should add burgers to the game, though

[civic atlas]

i guess something with code cards?

since its cryptid

[civic atlas]

thnak you

[full edge]

I've got movies with brain rot status marked down as stuff I'd do cryptid stuff for, but I haven't figured out most of their effects yet, haha. Though besides that I do have some 'm' related movies marked down as well, and the movie Hackers as a code card synergy

[grand geode]

do you have Pixels noted down

[full edge]

yes

[harsh glacier]

click by adam sandler

[full edge]

yes

[civic atlas]

balatro the movie

[swift matrix]

which is the mod with horoscope cards (not ortalab) It puts them in the same spot as reverie cines

[full edge]

but click's gonna be annoying to code. my current idea makes it so when you sell Click you go forwards a random amount of antes and rounds, gain or lose a random amount of cash, and gain some random other jokers, also maybe losing them

[full edge]

Maximus?

[swift matrix]

yeah I think so

ah they can be disabled so it's fine,not really my thing anyway

[full edge]

yet another good case to be made for there to be a carousel for optional card areas on the right of the screen, haha

[swift matrix]

speaking of that mod though (I think), what's the deal with contracts? I presume they have a downside, but tier 3 cards seem to just be... good? I don't get how it isn't like just op tarots if there's not a downside, though I didn't pay much attention to what the other options were

whoops different mod

don't remmeber which one though, lol

I can't keep all these new mods straight yet

[harsh glacier]

revo?

revo has contracts

[swift matrix]

revo it is

lmfao

The gay can't keep things straight, how fitting

[storm forum]

https://tenor.com/view/raising-my-eyebrows-steve-a-minecraft-movie-eyebrow-raise-jack-black-gif-17677895171203556147

[harsh glacier]

what does this gif even mean

[civic atlas]

steve

[wicked jasper]

steve

[plush hound]

they want me to fight the chicken

?

➖🟩🟩🟩
➖🟩🟩⬛
➖🟩🟩🟩
➖➖🟦➖⬜⬜
➖➖🟦🟩⬜⬛
➖➖🟦➖⬜⬜🟧
⬜⬜⬜🟪⬜⬜🟥
⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜
⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜
➖➖🟨
➖➖🟨🟨

[civic atlas]

😭

[wicked jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-minecraft-movie-a-minecraft-movie-steve-jack-black-gif-4079785775268000209

[plush hound]

YEAAAAAA

[storm forum]

Jicken Chockey.

[full edge]

@harsh glacier I'm having fun but these property cards are potentially a bit really broken 😛

[plush hound]

contracts are op yes

[harsh glacier]

very

[plush hound]

i dont think there's any downside

[harsh glacier]

i should probably fix the rates of property cards on their respective booster packs

sometimes the game will STILL spawn a nasty Jimbo on the booster pack

and yes it functions

in the consumable card slot

[faint quest]

anyone knows what error this is? just updated my steammodded and downloading latest version.dll for lovely

[harsh glacier]

what are your mods

[swift matrix]

is that bunco jumbocarrot's fork?

if not it should be

besides that some of those look fairly old

also... a windows user showing their files in some sort of bash-looking cli (powershell?) is a new one to me

[faint quest]

ok seems like removing the bunco mod fix it

[faint quest]

is this the latest version

[swift matrix]

https://github.com/jumbocarrot0/Bunco

This one should still work

[swift matrix]

yeah, firch left, so jumbocarrot took over, if that's what you mean

[low kelp]

bro i changed talisman score limit and now i cant play balatro

any help plz

[full edge]

i like the concept, but one of them being a better Soul card is probably not the way to go, and there should maybe be a way to slow down the way they ramp your economy, haha. I'm getting $500 per round based on the two pairs property now

[harsh glacier]

and that's with no houses yet right

houses are pretty broken because they basically add half your current property value

per house

[plush hound]

can someone help me build a deck skin 👉👈

[storm forum]

You could probably reference how I did it up to before the modern section.

[hard plank]

hi

[harsh glacier]

hi aikoyori

[hard plank]

I'm so cooked

[plush hound]

ill look into it

i found a really cool deck skin mod

look inside

replacing the game's deck skin

i am nto doing that, i want it to be an addition

[full edge]

nah that was with a hotel on it, at least, but it's pretty damn strong because of those, haha

[hard plank]

is it weird that i like playing weird rhythm game charts

[full edge]

The monopoly deck gave me the chance to have 2 legendaries before ante 2, so now I'm cloning the high card property with perkeo, and using trib on a deck with aces and face cards only, haha

[full edge]

yes but only because you call the game charts weird, so by transitive property that convers. But if you don't think the game charts are weird, you wouldn't be either, by that logic

[hard plank]

personally i would say they are unconventional

[low kelp]

how do i turn on crash reports

[hard plank]

install steamodded properly

[low kelp]

o u need steamodded

[hard plank]

show you mods folder

yeah

[hard plank]

what are you trying to play lol

[plush hound]

😭

every mod does

[hard plank]

95% of mods*

[low kelp]

no you guys misunderstood

I removed everything from mods folder and its still crashing

[hard plank]

wait did you just forget to install steamodded

[low kelp]

im on mac

i dont install it i throw it in mods folder

[grand geode]

omg obama scramble

[low kelp]

basically what happened was I changed talisman max score from ee308 to e308, relaunched balatro, the game wouldnt load

ran the game without mods and it would crash when i clicked play

[harsh glacier]

ok so set that back to bignum or omeganum

[low kelp]

managed to fix it because steamodded allowed me to click new run 🙏

[hard plank]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀☠️☠️

[harsh glacier]

do we have a skull emoji joker yet

[low kelp]

did i do something stupid ;-;

[low kelp]

mr bones maybe

[harsh glacier]

anything other than mr bones

like just the embodiment of the skull emoji itself

not an average skeleton

jockey

chicken jockey

[hard plank]

i did finally s this song

[low kelp]

that looks like a web browser version of pjsk

[hard plank]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[plush hound]

@full edge Legendary Joker about him?

[gray cove]

I don’t wanna go to college

I wanna sleep

I wanna stay at home

@hard plank

[full edge]

is this from the mc movie?

[plush hound]

yes

or the trailer

i forgot

[gilded vortex]

Who else do you think I sent that to

[full edge]

haha, no, sorry, i'm not making the minecraft movie a legendary

and if i did, it'd be chicken jockey

[gilded vortex]

What about making Baby Jack Black into a Legendary

[plush hound]

they want me to fight the chicken

[gilded vortex]

(Not from the Minecraft movie)

[full edge]

also, just played Bakery for the first time and I love the charms

[gilded vortex]

(From a different movie)

[full edge]

is he a new playable character in the new mario kart?

[gilded vortex]

Who isn’t

[normal hollow]

me

[gilded vortex]

🫵

You

[plush hound]

N will be playable in Super Smash Bros 2

[normal hollow]

thats true

[grand geode]

you should play joyousspring

[full edge]

okay time to finish reworking Jump Scares. I'm saving adding actual jump scares for the future

[grand geode]

good lird

[full edge]

What's the best place to hook or patch into to add a check to a card? 🤔 I want things to be able to set a 'jumpscare_chance' on a card, which is checked when its triggered to give score and then destroy the card, but I'm not entirely sure I'm clear on the flow of the card assessment process

[gilded vortex]

lird

[plush hound]

@harsh glacier who the fuck is joe

[gilded vortex]

What do you mean check

[harsh glacier]

see this is why i told you to turn off pixel smoothing

[full edge]

as in it checks the probability, and upon passing it makes the card give x3 mult

[harsh glacier]

i did not make the atlas for 2x exotics yet

and i don't have time to add one currently

im busy

[gilded vortex]

I might make an invisible Joker to handle that

I should make GameRules into a thing

Have you extended Card

[plush hound]

oh my godddd

[harsh glacier]

blame my stupidity and incompetence

[full edge]

Currently, because the only thing that can make a card jumpscare is a joker, it's all on-joker, but I wanna move it to a more general area so I can have confections, seals and boss blinds more easily affect things. I was considering maybe setting up a 'status effect' system for Jump Scares, as I was considering maybe needing that for poison too

[gilded vortex]

What objects have you extended

[plush hound]

ough my PC

[full edge]

currently none, as I'm just trying to see what the best approach is.

[wanton rapids]

should i stream modded balatro

[normal hollow]

yes

[wanton rapids]

uh id probably only do it with my mod though

[gilded vortex]

I’m just curious so I can learn how to properly extend card

As I said for now I’d recommend creating a Joker that exists somewhere else to do it

[plush hound]

i see you there

[grand geode]

no more

[harsh glacier]

flint and steel

[full edge]

Oh, I've extended a bunch of things in Kino. I think I have some movie metadata mechanic extensions for Card, but they're not really something that needs to be an extension of card. (Outside of organizational purposes, or wanting specific card objects to have their own implementation of it, I'm not actually sure it's necessary, most of the time)

[tropic egret]

cards give +50 chips

[full edge]

I'd tune in! I think there's a gap to be filled for modded Balatro content, generally. I browsed twitch yesterday and could literally only find 1 streamer

[wanton rapids]

actually i might add other mods but the first one would likely be just mine

[full edge]

I've been considering making some yt videos where I do Kino runs trying to at least white sticker every joker, and figuring out balancing for it that way

[grand geode]

balatro sharpie cube real

[normal hollow]

two (2) whole joyousspring videos were uploaded to yt yesterday

[wanton rapids]

you should make it {X:whatever,C:whatever}the text{}

so it looks like it's been sharpied out

[harsh glacier]

the text

[full edge]

Gaining traction

That's also for sure the most out of any non cryptid mod, as far as daily uploads go, haha

[normal hollow]

nah pokermon has a ton

[full edge]

Ah yeah fair, I forgot about Pokermon for a second

[harsh glacier]

joyousspring beats pokermon by having yu gi oh though

[plush hound]

im so downloading that

AHEAD FTW

[normal hollow]

so true

[hard plank]

N

[normal hollow]

Ñ

[full edge]

that might be the way to go. It's probably a better approach than trying to set any code onto the cards, because I'm sure there are plenty of niche side cases when it comes to cleaning those values

[gray cove]

I just bought this game called 5d chess with multiverse time travel and it looked cool until i played it now i don’t understand shit

[full edge]

that's more of an art statement than a game honestly, I don't think anyone's able to truly understand what's going on in that game

[gray cove]

• a guy with 500 hours on the reviews said he doesn’t know how the game works either

[neat dawn]

Guys i have a question

[gilded vortex]

It’s chess but you can multiverse time travel

[harsh glacier]

5d balatro

[gray cove]

It’s 5d

[hard plank]

just ask vro

[gray cove]

Vro

[harsh glacier]

don't ask to ask or whatever they say

[gilded vortex]

Vro

[harsh glacier]

Vro

[neat dawn]

What should i do to play talisman mod in balatro?

[gray cove]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gojo-satoru-gojo-gojo-fortnite-jjk-gif-17042212247732787418

[harsh glacier]

you get lovely steamodded and talisman

[wanton rapids]

how is this a balanced joker

[grand geode]

vrej

[gilded vortex]

I think it’s a meme

[gray cove]

You mean cryptid ?

[grand geode]

weak

[gray cove]

Vro

[full edge]

talisman's not a mod you play, it's just a QoL feature that's there to allow other mods to work. But in theory, install loevly and steamodded, and then set up talisman

[harsh glacier]

Green
+110 Mult)

[neat dawn]

I did this but when i run the game it doesn’t appear to me

[hard plank]

Green Colour Card Reference!!@!@!@!@!@#@#!$#@$

[latent crescent]

Green Joker is strong, if you still don't know

[full edge]

does the mod tab show up?

[gilded vortex]

stroing

[neat dawn]

What is the thing that i am missing ?

[gilded vortex]

Maybe you didn’t install correctly or you got wrong versions

[gray cove]

You wanna play cryptid not talisman , talisman isn’t the mod talisman just breaks the e308 score limit

[neat dawn]

Yub I’ve tried other mods it works fine

[wanton rapids]

this one's even worse

[gilded vortex]

Maybe wrong version then

[full edge]

show your file set up and your mod list. Talisman does have issues with the name of the folder, iirc

[tropic egret]

x2 0 01 Mult per card

[normal hollow]

i don't know how they even released the game in this state

[neat dawn]

Ahaaa

[wanton rapids]

is this x(2001^52) or x(2001x52)

[gray cove]

https://github.com/SpectralPack/Cryptid

[neat dawn]

O7

[grand geode]

heres my new balala card idea

[harsh glacier]

good for Jimbo

[gray cove]

Download the latest release from the code button + make sure your talisman folder is called Talisman not Talisman-main

[full edge]

I don't think it'd be good for Kino, but I'm now imagining a joker that has some simple description, with the additional ability that every hand one random word is blacked out.

[wanton rapids]

the Cleave in question:

[full edge]

Like a mtg card with cleave on every word, haha

[harsh glacier]

you'd have to account for any combination of blacked out words

sounds like hell

[gilded vortex]

Maybe it only has one word

[full edge]

not if you can only black out 1 single word, which would give it as many states as there are words

[gilded vortex]

Then it sounds easy

[harsh glacier]

im stealing that idea btw ice

[full edge]

go ahead

[harsh glacier]

i need more jokers

[full edge]

as I said, don't think it works for Kino

[gilded vortex]

I think that idea is just reverse L Corp

[tropic egret]

for me i'm just making these as a new challenge, to make a balanced balatro mod with a sharpie to every joker

[full edge]

I'd maaaybe use that idea if I was gonna do a mod that turns each keyword in mtg into a joker, haha

[gray cove]

WUAHHHHHHH

[gilded vortex]

Horsemanjoker

Ante Joker

[hard plank]

🔥

[gilded vortex]

Pardic Firecats Joker

[gray cove]

🔥

[gilded vortex]

Chronatog Joker

[full edge]

Ante joker means you no longer lose if you don't beat the blind goal, and instead lose all cards of the highest rank in your deck when you play a hand that'd kill you otherwise. You do still need to win, ofc, to move to the next round

[gilded vortex]

Varchild’s War-Riders Joker

Original Companion Joker

Mercenary Jokers

Subgame Joker

Graveyard Order Joker

[full edge]

I do think it'd be fun to just force some people here to design some jokers around a dumb new keyword mechanic every once in a while. Just because I like seeing y'all make bullshit

[gilded vortex]

Agreed

Also I’m just naming all the forgotten or bad MTG keywords

Alchemy Joker

[plush hound]

Arrowhead

[plush hound]

D:

[full edge]

vore joker

[gilded vortex]

😳

[plush hound]

i was about to say that

[gray cove]

Alpha

[gray cove]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-prime-alpha-alpha-male-gif-8377936477424024750

[harsh glacier]

3 months ago

[gilded vortex]

@full edge what do you think of all these bad/forgotten MTG mechanics

[full edge]

I'm vaguely familiar with some, haha. I do love subgames and horsemanship has a place in my heart

[wanton rapids]

i mean horsemanship is one of two kinds of mechanics

[full edge]

every mechanic is either horsemanship or kicker ofc

[plush hound]

ice, you wanna play kino multiplayer?

[hard plank]

🔥

[grand geode]

who wants to lobcorp multiplayer with a completely fresh profile

[full edge]

Victin, please get started. I wanna see whatever a 'Trample' keyword would be in balatro, and how it could support an archetype of jokers

[plush hound]

joyousspring multiplayer

[wanton rapids]

cards that have effects based on overkill?

[gilded vortex]

These are cards I memorized as “cards to include in a game where players need to guess whether a MTG card is real or fake”

[full edge]

I'm about to leave to do some chores, but afterwards if you're still around and breathing, sure! haha

[wanton rapids]

i.e. earn $1 for each 10% extra scored

[hard plank]

vibing rn lmaooooo

[gilded vortex]

Oh that’s easy. Someone’s mod does it

As in

[plush hound]

"and breathing"
he's going to fucking KILL me

[gilded vortex]

Their name is someone

[harsh glacier]

i can't read shit in this picture

[gilded vortex]

someone23832 specifically

[grand geode]

not really

[grand geode]

but i will

[plush hound]

D:

someone get myst

[gilded vortex]

Play whatever whatever whatever

[hard plank]

Dance Robot Dance by Nayutalien

[harsh glacier]

What do you want to play?

[plush hound]

aiko, wanna play Scrabble multiplayer

[wanton rapids]

3 player scrabble + morefluff battle

[grand geode]

wanna play gartic phone

[plush hound]

lets play 8ball

[gilded vortex]

I played Scrabble against them yesterday

They beat me

[plush hound]

im scared now

[wanton rapids]

oh scrabble boardgame not aikoyoris shenanigans

[gilded vortex]

There’s the weekly Balatro Gartic Phone today

[wanton rapids]

i may be stupid

[plush hound]

i did mean the balatro one

[harsh glacier]

does anyone wanna play rock paper scissors the board game

[gilded vortex]

Never heard of it

[full edge]

i might set something like this up once I've got Kino's last difficult systems out of the way. Where I'd just set a mod that every week or maybe biweekly just drops some code for a new a keyword mechanic and then I just guilt other people here into submitting some joker code for it

[gilded vortex]

@full edge here’s Pardic Firecat

[wanton rapids]

oh the one with the plastic thing that lets you hide your selection?

[harsh glacier]

yeah

the one that's completely pointless to even have

you can just hide your hand

[plush hound]

anyone wanna play chess deck multiplayer

[harsh glacier]

am i in an alternate universe

there's no way the chess deck exists

does it

[plush hound]

im still yet to find someone to play the blackjack deck multiplayer

no one wants to

:(

[normal hollow]

balatro mod game jam when

[plush hound]

aiko's greatest hit

[wanton rapids]

mod jam could be funny

[harsh glacier]

mod jam but everyone just makes 100 jokers

[plush hound]

100 Jokers Jam

[gilded vortex]

Joker Jam

[full edge]

I think if I'd set up the mechanical base for it, than it'd not be too much effort for people to submit a joker design for it, for people. That way it'd be something to do that works without drawing people away from their main project for more than a few hours unless they're truly ambitious, haha

[gilded vortex]

Joker Jam when

[harsh glacier]

when nxkoo is alive probably

[plush hound]

D:

oooooo, im a fucking ghost

[gilded vortex]

does that mean nxkoo isn’t alive

[plush hound]

i live inside of your git

[harsh glacier]

he did say that ice choked him earlier

[plush hound]

i got strangled to death in Connecticut

send prayers

🕊️

anyways, i gotta

stuff

brb

toodles ciao

[crisp herald]

Are there any mods like balatro preview that are compatible with most other mods?

[hard plank]

difficulty_

oops

wrong paste

oh god

[gilded vortex]

Can the text have the flaming effect too

I mean

The text box

[grand geode]

aiko i thought you were good at frontend design

[gray delta]

i cant read that

[vernal hare]

maybe turn the text into icons you can hover over

players going into your mod will be curious of the new icons and want to hover over them

and then they learn the mechanics of the blind and a new system you made

for example, the icon for 'cannot be disabled' could be a prohibitory sign over a gray dash

[hard plank]

got bored

[vernal hare]

and then you basically have created a difficulty system for modded blinds

[hard plank]

i figured i can use emojis

i think

[vernal hare]

emojis?

nah... make like custom pixel art for it

you could use tag dimensions

for the icons

let me sketch this out hold on

[hard plank]

fine

[vernal hare]

gimme like 3 minutes in figma

and ill have a prototype

[hard plank]

i can do that is ok

[vernal hare]

well i mean in the way of

'showing you precisely what im talking about'

[vernal hare]

@hard plank

its simple, its ugly, but this is like roughly what i was thinking

[hard plank]

it's ok

[vernal hare]

the colored boxes are like the difficulty

wait that sounds rad as fuck

i should implement that

difficulty icons

time to slap that on a kanban

[vernal hare]

btw im not worried this was fun to make

[hard plank]

how about this

[vernal hare]

OOH

i love that a bunch

i would use stars for general difficulty

i may use colored flames

im gonna make some of my own

[hard plank]

i mean these are emojis

[vernal hare]

ooh

i had an idea

what if a hand could be cursed

like if you play a hand with entirely cursed cards it hurts the hand in some way

no

i need to work on simple stuff first

damn you scope creep

[hard plank]

🔥

tagged blinds

funny

[full edge]

@plush hound you still around, future ghost?

[plush hound]

im a dratula

jokes aside hold on

let me fish

finish

something

[normal hollow]

@gilded vortex

[plush hound]

you know what that means

[gilded vortex]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1232074540633428028

Fish mentioned

[full edge]

I wonder what makes mods incompatible with Multiplayer, generally, or if most of it just works if it works without it

[normal hollow]

i should try multiplayer someday

[hard plank]

no

[gilded vortex]

Is it synchronous or asynchronous

[plush hound]

probably something related to blinds

[green finch]

does anyone know of a mod that speeds up animations thats in the BMM? I noticed brainstorm was not in there, I converted to let BMM handle all my mods in one place

[hard plank]

E

[gilded vortex]

Could you round the corners a bit more

[full edge]

you sound like my old driving instructor

[gilded vortex]

“AAAAAAAA! The brakes! The brakes!”

[tropic egret]

this is so dumb

i just swapped rarities with arrowhead

[full edge]

quick, brake as a keyword and joker archetype, what would it do

[full edge]

one of those things that I reckon llms will one day be actually great for is allowing a game to actually have robust mechanics like this.

[tropic egret]

NO

that's an er not a Perk

[hard plank]

fuck

[full edge]

me in the gym

[gilded vortex]

It caps your score and makes you lose

[normal hollow]

doki doki waku waku kira kira wonderhoy